What If Eastern Rome Never Fell? - Rome Today | Alternate History
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2020
- If you want to see my video on the history of Rome, watch part 1:
• What If Eastern Rome N...
POD of this scenario is the battle of Manzikert, which Rome won instead of the Seljuks.
This is the second of a 2 part series on the fictional modern Republic of Rome, descendant of the old Roman Empire, and later Eastern Roman Empire (Also known as Byzantium). This episode is on the Roman Republic today, focusing on its geography, cultures, languages, and international relations.
Music:
Europa Universalis: Rome soundtrack
THIS is what i actually want to see. A UA-camr who doesn't just focus on the borders of a nation but also it's demographics, culture, politics and economics.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I want the borders to be sexy and good : (
@@eternal_riftz8801 aren't these borders sexy if you include Antioch and reach the danube from thrace?
@@TheHunterOfYharnam i would prefer if they didn't annex hungary ,Moldavia and Wallachia but instead they take Mauritania and mesopotamia
The Parthenon in Athens would still be intact in this timeline. It was only destroyed in our world relatively recently (1687) during a battle between the Venetians and the Ottomans. The Ottomans were using it as an ammunition store and... well... It blew up. Truly a tragedy that the building didn't make it to the modern day intact. At least it's ruins are still quite substantial and, well, existing...
Oh damn, that's true.
Imagine the architecture of this nation.
It would be the country with the best tourist attractions in the world.
The roof and inner colonnade had been destroyed by the barbarian invasions at the end of the Roman empire(west), but rebuilt a as a church….it was the outer colonnade and cellar walls including pediments that had always remained intact up to 1687
Legend has it that Neatling made a video about what if the roman empire fell in an alternate universe.
haha
The fact that it was so possible for rome to survive makes this even more sad to me. One battle (manzikert) ended it all. Great video though I subscribed.
Thank you man. And yeah, it was very possible. And Manzikert was probably the best chance they had to live on. They maybe could've had another shot in the 1200's too I'd say. They were making a comeback and taking back Anatolia from the Turks. But then the 4th crusade happened, where the crusaders raided Constantinople and destroyed the empire. And that was basically when it was over for Rome. From then on they struggled to stick around until the Ottomans took over Constantinople finally in 1453. Biggest dick move in history that 4th crusade. They were called to help against the muslims and ended up destroying a thousands of year old empire they were supposed to protect.
@@Neatling Yeah... Constantinople was the center of christian civilization and the crusaders destroyed it all. Not too long after the mongols invaded anatolia and weakened the turkish presence there, that would have been the best opportunity for the byzantines to retake all of anatolia if the fourth crusade never happened.
Keep up the good work, ill share this channel with my friends they love history as well.
It wasn't really one battle they did recover after Manzekert and nearly retook took all of Anatolia however the Crusaders stacked Constantinople in 1204 effectively killing the Empire even though they reclaimed the city they then had a bunch of civil wars in the 14th century that left them two weak to repeal the Ottomans if the Crusaders hadn't sacked Constantinople than the Empire may never have fallen and they would have likely regained the whole of Anatolia especially after the collapse of the Mongol Empire and the power vacuum that that would leave
@@jacobhall9321 I know, I said that in my other comment. However, the fourth crusade not happening wouldnt solidify their survival, it would only give them a chance. The empire wasn't in the best of shape but it at least was a force in their region. Manzikert was their absolute best chance for survival due to the fact that they were basically a superpower before the battle. They most likely would have remained an offensive force if they won and wouldn't have had the turks trench themselves into central anatolia like in the post manzikert state.
Plus, they actually did recover a little after 1261 when they reclaimed constantinople after the sack. They just had too much political division and civil war and their neighbors took advantage of it, such as the serbians which took half of their territory.
I'd say they MAYBE would have survived if the sack never happened, but it is ensured they would have survived if they never lost at Manzikert.
Even if they won manzikert the Turks would have still settled Anatolia perhaps in lesser numbers
Well, there would be no reason for Athens to get so large, since it wouldn’t act as the political and economic capital of the state, so I could see it more likely to have its place switched with Thessaloniki
Great point, Athens may be a fair bit smaller actually. Although I still think it would be an important city.
Important certainly, but bigger than Thessaloniki is a big stretch. Maybe comparable to Patras, Irakleion, or Ikonion
Same could be said for Anakara/Ancyra tbh
Maybe it would act as the biggest port
@@the_bathroom No the biggest Port will be Constantinople's and second Thessaloniki
Seeing the eastern Roman empire/ republic without Antioch looks weird to me. Overall great alternate history 9/10!
Thanks man
@@Neatling Also, I've got a suggestion. What if Operation Valkyrie was successful?
I really like it! I wish this became true..
Really appreciate it. And don't we all ;)
@@Neatling If the Eastern Roman Empire (Roman Republic) exist to this day as describe in your video, what would be the prevailing politics and cultural ideology?
Same here
Same
Same here
There's something really bad about this scenario, that I hate :
It is not real😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😢
Help us make it real join the fight
@@billvilmezis5968 Well I think that it's a bit unrealistic to make this real now lol. And also, many people would have to be killed or forced to assimilate
@@ivanf.482 revenge
@@billvilmezis5968 Well we're in 2021, I think times have changed and we should build peace. Also, those people don't have fault of stuff that their ancestors did
@@ivanf.482 tell that to the turks
Oh hey, this guy's alternate histories are pretty cool. He must have subscribers close to that of Monsieur Z and Whatifalthist, right?
>237
WTF, only 237? This is a crime against humanity! Subbed.
jeez 10x in 2 months
I want to live in this country.
Same
Everyone does
Same
Don't we all?
me too
As an American with half Greek ancestry and Greek Orthodox religion, I wish that this modern Roman Republic was real. It seems like it’s much wealthier and more stable than the countries that occupy the same lands in our timeline. Also, since much of my Greek family had been important merchants and metalworkers in the old Byzantine Empire, but lost much of our wealth and were forced to emigrate after the Turkish conquest, I wonder if they would have been able to retain their power and position in this alternate timeline.
One of my great uncles became a Greek senator during the 1980s and 1990s, and one branch of my family shares a surname with a recent Greek Prime Minister, Antonis Samaras. This leads me to think that I probably wouldn’t have been born in America in this alternate timeline, but rather would have been the scion of an important family in the Roman Republic as depicted in this video. Since this alternate Republic did maintain important links to Britain, It isn’t out of the question that I still might have had an Irish father.
This was the timeline that we needed
Great mini series! Although I feel that Antioch should have belonged to the Roman/Greek Republic
This would be so beautiful to witness. 🇬🇷💙
@@user-uh5gl8py4q No
I’m so glad I discovered from that Mr. Z video. Love your world building and how you take it to present day
Awesome video. Keep up the great work!
You got a nice intro and everything! Amazing improvements!
Send me to the parallel universe where this is reality 😭🥺
nice vid man
Thankyou :))
Very nice video, being a byzantophile myself, I enjoyed it a lot.
I freakin love this video!!! Please makemore like this!!
As I mentioned at the end of the video, I'm doing a "community scenarios" series, where I would love to see the alternate history community come up with some fun scenarios, realistic or not, that I can make maps on and feature for everyone to enjoy. I already have some suggestions from my previous video which will be featured, but if you have more suggestions please feel free to leave them here in the comments!
You can go into as much depth as you like. Just naming an alternate nation is enough, I'll just fill in the details. But if you want something specific, you can also write an entire scenario.
Edit: I've decided I will simply make videos on your suggested scenarios, rather than a community scenario video. The video would either be too long, or there wouldn't be enough time for the scenarios.
What if Gunther Burstyn's prototype tank en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_Burstyn was accepted by the German military in 1911? How would a German headstart in tank development affect WWI? Burstyn's tank were well thought out and perfect for crossing trenches with him already having begun planning in 1903. How would German tanks have affected trench warfare? Would Paris have fallen?
From a quick search I also found this website: tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1-austro-hungary-burstyn-motorgeschutz/
@@nichl474 I will look into it! Are you looking for a "Germany wins ww1 scenario"? Or maybe just a ww1 stalemate scenario, with no harsh treaty like the treaty of Versailles? You are free to choose how the scenario plays out if you want to. You don't have to of course. But otherwise, I am thinking that it having a major impact on ww1 would be more interesting to showcase in the video.
@@Neatling I'm just looking into a "What if Imperial Germany had tanks scenario?". I'm not saying they have to win or lose the war, but just the ramifications and how it would change the war. For example, if Hitler and the General Staff had been proponents of more traditional warfare and not of Blitzkrieg, the Maginot plan would've never worked and Poland wouldn't have been overrun and we could have seen a more decisive Allied victory possibly without US involvement and no Cold War. I'm looking for a timeline where the Germans can counter trench warfare (but not use Blitzkrieg, that came later with better tanks and new tactics) and how a more mobile war would've turned out.
@@nichl474 So you want more so a discussion of ways it could play out? And less so just choosing one path as I've done in previous videos? Because there are many possibilities lol. And if I went with my usual style of choosing one path, it would exclude other things. For instance, if the Germans got at least a stalemate and no harsh treaty of Versailles, we might not even have a second world war or Hitler at all. At least not the same kind of world war between a Nazi Germany and the Allies/Soviets. So more of a discussion of several ways it could change things? This scenario might deserve its own video because the community video is going to be several scenarios in one video, so they have to be summarized a fair bit.
Unless I completely misunderstood you, I'm thinking I'll include a short version of this, more focused on a ww1 victory or stalemate maybe. But still summarizing how the Germans getting the tank first would change ww1, just following this one possible path. Then I could do a video in the future going into more detail and discussing other possibilities and ramifications. It could be interesting. But it would require an entire video to give the scenario proper justice I think.
@@Neatling Looking at your channel, you've only got 2 video series. Far from enough for me to know your "video style" or to know what a good idea/what's a bad idea. Whatifalthist for example does have a scenario where Nazi Germany invented nuclear bombs, where he analyzes what would've changed and whether this would've resulted in a different outcome, which it didn't (just more destruction). I've also never seen a "Community Scenario" series and assumed it referred to a series of videos. Of course it's fine if that idea doesn't fit with your channel;
I could try making a video myself, if it's not your style, since I'm thinking of starting another UA-cam channel soon, though I lack the charisma and am bad at writing scripts (I have an abandoned channel with 150 subs and 800-8k views per video with no voice similar to Tigerstar's).
If you want a simpler suggestion, maybe "What if Spain remained Muslim?" would be better?
Rome not having Antioch is a travesty in my opinion.
I also think it should at least have some territory in Western Europe such as Sicily and perhaps Corsica.
Damn I’ve been binging all ur videos ur channel is so amazing fr love it
Thank you!
This video was interesting and me being a Greek from Istanbul I will be more than happy to live in this country
*Constantinople
@@Michael_the_Drunkard :)
Great video :))
Thanks :D
This is amazing
the amount of detail in this makes it even sadder.
Nice video
So sad that this is an alternative timeline and not our timeline 🤧. Great video tho. Its one of the best i have ever seen
If the Byzantine Empire/Roman Republic never fell, the Parthenon in Athens would not have been used as a munitions depot by the Ottoman Turks which caused its near destruction. You should change the pic of Athens in the Roman Republic to reflect this fact.
Man this video is so good it makes me sad, cause i remember this is not the reality we live in.
Cool stuff
Administrative Divisions: 1. Thrace (capital Constantinople) 2. Macedonia (Thessaloniki) 3. Ionia (Smyrna) 4. Hellas (Athens) 5. Bithynia (Nikaia) 6. Galatia (Ankara) 7. Pontus (Trebizond) 8. Cappadocia (Kaisareia) 9. Kilikia (Adana) 10. Lycia (Attaleia) 11. Lycaonia (Iconium) 12. Mysia (Prusa) 13. Lydia (Filadelfeia) 14. Frygia (Amorion) 15. Epirus (Jannina) 16. Morea (Patras) 17. Thessaly (Larisa) 18. Paflagonia (Kastamoni) 19. Cyprus (NIcosia) 20. Crete (Heraklion)
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Cyprus's capital should be Limassol?
I need to travel back in time to make this happen. 😍
Gives the Romans AKs so they can win
@@pocketmarcy6990
I'm gonna print out the WHOLE of Italian wiki and present it to the byzantine emperor so he knows wtf is up😂
@@momo-cchi5978 shouldn’t it be Greek Wiki though since that’s the language of the Romans at that time?
@@pocketmarcy6990
Oh, you right. Idk how the fuck I forgot about that. 🤦🏽♂️
@@momo-cchi5978 You would still have to print it in koine greek though, as eastern romans didn't speak modern greek
Great video, subscribed! I 've played scenarios in my head with the survival of the "Byzantine" Empire for years. Only in my scenarios it remains an empire, even in modern times, it is the last country to keep the title "Empire" in its official name with a figurehead emperor/ess as head of state, although the throne is not hereditary any more.
Reluctant subscriber here. I see potential
Thank you. Is there anything you would like to see changed in future videos? Or improved upon?
@@Neatling I already shared my ideas with you under the reddit post of your vid. I go by the name u/Fehervari there.
@@fehervari98 Ah, right, I remember your comment. Thanks for coming by again! Right now I'm working on a different scenario (probably not the most plausible one), but I will be returning to this scenario to expand on some things, mainly other places than just Rome itself, that are affected heavily by the changes in this scenario. I'm not sure exactly how I will go about it yet, but I'm thinking it will be a part 3 follow up video where I focus mainly on the changes to Egypt, Armenia, and the Middle East, as well as the Balkans. That will hopefully cover some of the things you and possibly others felt were missing. But of course, apart from redoing the scenario entirely, I can't really change that I chose that many world events remain the same in this timeline. But I will take what you said on Reddit into consideration for future scenarios.
@@Neatling In the end, it all comes down to wether you're enjoying working on these scenarios or not. So I hope you have fun with these!
@@fehervari98 Very true. And I sure do! Sure, writing scripts can also be tedious. But at the same time, it's like creating your own little worlds, and that's fun. And seeing the final product after all that work is always really satisfying.
The Good Ending.
YES
So if this is the good one then whats the best ending
Greek Mediterranean @@samking2591
I never knew the byzantine empire still existed. ottomans who? Am I right
Yes
More like Oghuz who?
You did a great job, however there is just one thing I would like to see, how religious would Rome be. Not necessarily get into it, just would it be secular like Scandinavia, France and germany, or would it be more religious like Romania, Greece, Italy and Poland are today, just a though
It'd be more religious, because not only is the religious head of faith stationed inside of the Empire, it would have a strong faith as it fends off Islamic invasions to the southeast of it and would most likely not have the type of religious wars the catholic faith had. So it'd be the latter countries you mentioned. Though this is speculation as this timeline doesn't exist and I also didn't make this timeline.
Well it could be something in the middle
Do more episodes pls!
Timeline where country in the Anatolia region actually can join the EU XD
The existence of turkey 🇹🇷, it’s just disrespect to all humanity!
@@Ment2703 yeah ikr rogue country
this video is making me cry
I really want videos about modern Rome's army, and more on this alt history timeline.
How do I move through alternate universes?
A couple questions.. would we call it rome in English today? (Confusing due to not being in rome)
If not what would it be called?
Are there any other cities with at least million people in this countrie?
I believe that the term Roman would probably be replaced with "Greek" as it is today because movements such as renaissance were based in ancient Greece, and this would have the same cultural result as in modern Greece.
It's possible. We will never know. The country could also have kept the name Rome, since it was literally Rome. And that name had a lot of prestige. Even more prestige when it is actually the continuation of ancient Rome. And then the people may just call themselves Greeks. Greeks living in Rome. It would also be more mindful to the minorities. Remember, the Roman Empire wasn't a Latin speaking empire only. Ever since it conquered the Greek speaking world, it was a very bilingual Empire. And Greek was a core part of what it meant to be Roman. Latin was the language of government and the lingua Franca in the western half. Greek was the language of Science and philosophy, and the lingua franca in the east. Many spoke both. Then of course Greek became the only major language some time after the fall of the west. So it remaining Rome isn't impossible. But of course the Greek majority could also just push for a renaming to Greece. If they were to do so, it could happen after the civil war in my scenario for instance. During the rise of nationalism and such.
@@Neatling Yeah sure,i mean the term Rome was used in many cases by various empires (Holy Roman Empire for example) to identify the kind of state they were living on. But still we should not underestimate the renaissance period, as it was vital for the revival of the old civilisations
@@steliosgkelis1517 And this wasn't like other empires using the name Rome. The "byzantine empire" was actually the Roman Empire. What remained of it. And true. But I don't even know how exactly the renaissance would happen in this world, if at all. What started the renaissance in our world was actually Roman scholars fleeing the Turks when Constantinople fell. Most of them went to Italy. But regardless you could think about these things forever. We can never know what exactly would happen. Interesting to think about none the less.
@@Neatling It is notable that the Greeks had already been calling themselves Hellenes (Greek) in certain situations before the fall of Constantinople. For example, emperor Constantine referred to his people in his last speech as
"his faithful Greeks, descendants of the Romans". But still, I really enjoyed this scenario. It is a fact that with a few less wars and slaughters, Greeks here would have prospered. And in fact, a case could be made for colonisation through the Horn of Africa, possibly in India. Good job!
@@Neatling not greece....Hellenic.
It would be a Hellenic Roman Republic
Those roman borders are aesthetically pleasing
The good ending.
It could be really cool to live in such a big country that speaks Greek... But that makes me sad with this tension between Greece and Turkey and that 15 million Turks have Greek origin and even the president of Turkey have Greek origin from Rize Pontus
Sadly, when it comes to geopolitics and history, some just have to end up with the short end of the stick. At least the Greek nation exists today, and you have most of your ancestral homelands. But of course Greeks are no longer the largest group in Anatolia as they once were.
I hope Turkey properly democratizes one day, and wish for better relations between your two countries in the future.
@@Neatling Electons are on the way by the 2023. İt will be the first time that i will have the right to vote.
A Democratized Turkey that respects its smaller minorities such as Lazs, Hemshens and Circassians with Zero corruption, Legal code that gets implemented properly, and that gets along well with its neigbors curse the Russia and China im talking about getting along with Greece and Balkans.
Who knows? maybe we can find ourselves in the Eu as well, or at least not being hated by them.
İ just want to have a life where i can think of a future that doesnt includes trying to flee from the country as it becomes another İran and Pakistan.
Turkeys nighmare and Greece’s dream
@Ur thetraveler LUL
It would be interesting to think how its citizens would see their own identity. Would they see themselves as Romans, as Greek-speaking Romans in Constantinople did, or would they start to identify as Greek, following the rise in nationalist movements in 19th Cent Europe.
Probably they would start identifying themselves as Greeks. When Constantinople fell to the Latins/Franks in 1204, there was a resurgence in the Byzantine rump states (like the Empire of Nicaea), where they start to call themselves Hellenes or Graikoi, though that still depends on many factors that would lead to the modern era region of Greece. Probably, they would call themselves either Greeks, Greco-Romans, or Greeks who have inherited the Roman culture.
They still called themselves Romans until the 18th century
Awesome
We all admire the prosperous civilization Rome holds, it is more of a spiritual destination for all European citizens. Its glorious advancement in art, science and religion are the most glorious treasury of mankind... Rome is the dreamy nation for me as all the Greek customs and academy still preserve today. As Livius once claimed, "truth may grow dim at times, but it can never die." So did a great nation.
If the Consuls are elected by STV, the Consuls would normally have two Consuls of "opposing" parties, unless one candidate won close to 2/3 of 1st preference votes. In which case, there will be a de facto senior and junior consul.
Can you do an episode were you explain how borders and countries were affected by this change and show if their were any new countries that formed?
Yeah I have been planning to do a part 3. Can't promise when, but at some point I will take a closer look at the surrounding countries and changes in them.
@@Neatling that's cool! Thank you!!!
@@chrisplourde4862 No problem man. I'm in the middle of writing the script, and now I'm just wondering how in the world I handle Israel and Palestine. Yikes. Never make any alternate history video that involves that region lol
@@Neatling I know one wrong word and you'll start ww3 in the comments section😅
This would have been a better world I think.
I bet my other "me" in a parallel universe live in this country 😍
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 emies i ellines eixame pola onomata stin istoria mas. Romiosini simeni to idio opos ellinismos
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 re file den adithono masi sou. Den eipa pote oti den eimaste i apogoni tous arxaious ellines
I think you overestimaed how easily it would be for the Greeks to assimilate all of the minorities. The Balkans are quite a mountainous region, which, as we know, helps the communities to stay relatively isolated and hang onto their local language. It's one of the reasons why the Balkans are so diverse in real life and I see little chance for Greek to be a dominant language pretty much everywhere over such a large area.
Thats why he said, they are either Greek or their first language is Greek
@@gamingdealer9514 - I don't think we understand each other, the thing you say is exactly the one I was having doubts about.
@@And-lj5gb ah sorry.
Yes there would still be some small towns that would probably retain their language, but the population would be very small to matter.
@@And-lj5gb perhaps the population would be a bit smaller but not by a lot, and there would be a bit more foreigners close to the borders but all of Greece, Cyprus, Thrace/most of Bulgaria, half of albania, skopje, and 8-9/10ths of anatolia would be Greek, either way as time passed the more Greek it would be
They were all happy being part of the Orthodox Roman Empire. They only have problems because of the Ottomans.
Video idea: What if the Sasanian Iranian empire survived
Interesting. What happend to Trapezund? Strainge what you didn't mention it. I belive it will be a pretty large city.
Trapezounta won't be as big yet, but it should become a Superhub.
Yo @Neatling so is there going to be a controversial thing with Italy and the "Roman empire" because of the name sake
Of course there would be, but the Hereditary and Legality as Eastern Rome.
Italy tried to sew the Roman's back together, but the Greeks in this universe never lost everything they worked so hard to get
5:57 I know I’m kinda late to comment this, but with the benefit of hindsight, I do strongly think they would’ve engaged in sanctions on Russia once they invaded Ukraine in this alternate 2022
I'm not entirely convinced that this Roman Republic would be so economically well of honestly.
finally an in detail demographic analysis of an alt hist
I think they would have kept the emperor in a ceremonial role like the uk
Amazing Video!
Can you make a video about a french victory in the German-french war 1870-1871?
Thanks from Germany 😅 (sorry for my english)
Appreciate it man. And that actually sounds like it could be pretty interesting to do a video on. I'm already working on a video on what if the Russian revolution never happened. But maybe the video after that! I'll definitely do it at some point.
In this timeline I don't think the Middle East would have been split into artificial states by the British and French considering Syria and Mesopotamia would never have been under Ottoman rule. Meaning there would be no reason for Britain and France to take the Arab territories for themselves after WW1. Instead there would be independent Arab states or even a unified Arab state.
Non this timeline they wouldn't even be Arab states they be Christian ones since they had had a sizable Christian minority populations back around 1071and after centuries under Roman rule it would have been heavily christianized the British and the French took those territories because one the British wanted to protect the Suez Canal and two Syria had great trade ports and due to the financial prospects of of the Levant Coast and eastern Mediterranean that was why that they were colonized by the British and French
I will be covering my take on this in a part 3 very soon. Prepare for the ensuing controversy lol. But before I post anything let's just all remember that this is purely historical fiction. I'm just writing my own little world based on what I think COULD happen. None of us will ever know what would actually happen.
@@jacobhall9321 dude, Arabs can also be Christian.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard I know that's the point of the comment the local Arab population would have been Christiansted
ahh...if only that fourth crusade had never happenned.....
No captions wow
Can you do the scenario "What If austria formed the German Empire"
I already have it written down as a video idea actually. Could be interesting to look into.
If this was real, I beat Neatling would do a video, “What if Rome fell?”
Is that EU: Rome soundtrack?
Yes
Long life to the BYZANTINE EMPIRE
Interesting
I got to be honest im a german Byzantophile
Custom Scenario:What if WW1 was a Stalemate(No winner in the end, white peace on most fronts)How would that affect the 20th century?
Interesting idea. Added to my now frankly pretty long list of video ideas lol. But if you follow along on the channel I will get to it eventually. I have already thought about doing something on ww1. But probably not a German victory because it's so overdone at this point.
I'd like to see a post-apocaliptic post ww1 Europe, after a great war which lasted years and years, and consumed many generations
Today in Greece, we are going to learn more about our proud country. *Plays Neatling's video about Rome.*
I wonder what their opinion of italy owning rome is
I would’ve added Antioch.
I did add Antioch in part 3. The scenario kinda evolved a bit with each episode.
I would like to live in that world.
ok, what about the city of Rome thouf=gh?
It would be like a country called Rome in Anatolia and a city called Rome in Italy?
A lot of places in the US are named after European countries/cities/regions, what's the prob? The city of Rome =/= Roman empire
Hellas doesn't make sense. It would be attica and pelopenesse as well as Aegean islands if not cyclades, dodecanese etc
Could do you one for the western roman empire?
As in what if western Rome survived instead of the east? Or if all of Rome survived?
@Neatling The west surviving instead of the east
@@Void_Dweller7 Could be interesting. I have considered doing videos on both
@Neatling 👍
Probably split in multiple pieces like France did back in the days
Glorious
I come here to see what could have been and the cry.
I can imagine President Trump on his state visit to the Roman Republic.
What would that be like?
@@xavierlauzac5922 them saying look at this doofus
I wouldn’t mind that big wall in East Anatolia tho
Is Yugoslavia still alive in this timeline or is Yugoslavia politically notice . Does Yugoslavia have any political power within the European Parliament or was there a civil war with communist Yugoslavia and both sides peace out after 1992 and then years later communist Yugoslavia had a civil split and so the communist idea finally died then they joined the European Union but is Yugoslavia alive or politically alive and do they have any political power over former communist Yugoslavia politically so would it be a Chinese situation either sides don't recognise each other. is Yugoslavia alive?
I seriously love this tbh, as the Emperor of the Byzantineboos, it is my job to decree tis, to be golden
(My only complaint is that I wish it was a constitutional monarchy then just a republic)
Where's the butterfly effect 💀
Would it have our have had any colonies on America or Africa or Asia?
Make a video where East Roman Empire discover and conquer America
I got a question, why didn't Rome get any territories from ww2 ?
It could have. Just didn't in my scenario. The general consensus and mentality at the time was for self determination. Letting the locals decide. So I decided they wouldn't support Rome annexing any land from their neighbors. But again, it's totally possible that they would let them. I imagine they could get the rest of Bulgaria if that were the case. Maybe even the southern part of Italy, but that may be a stretch.
They probably would have sided with the allies and annexed parts of Italy
This Rome/Byzantium exists in a way but is divided by religion between Muslim Turkey and Orthodox Greece. I am not joking, I speak seriously! To explain that it is the same people living in two countries, the decendants of Byzantine Greeks. Greeks still call themselves "Ρωμιοί" (Romans) and the Greek ancestry of modern Turks is 80% (only 20% have pure Mongol characteristics). Different religion made them two seperate nations hating each other being constantly at the edge of war. Ottoman empire was a Muslim successor of Byzantium (as Byzantine empire was a Christian successor of Pagan Roman Empire). After WW1 this state came close to reality when Greek army reached outside Ankara. If Greece were not defeated by Kemal in 1922, we would have the Byzantine Greek state of 12th century with Turkey confined only between Ankara, Iconium and Armenia.
This is crazy but truth at the same time. The Turkish government deliberately describes Greece as an enemy state in the history books. It's as if the people of Turkey were never Romans anyway. I'm not sure when that will change. Maybe when the Turkish education system changes. When they tell them the truth. This will be the turning point of their lives. Oh god it's not easy. Definitely not...
I wish this was real
Ik so sad 😞😞😞😞
History in other countries won’t be the same!
The next best thing to an ideal world if Eastern Rome survive to this day.
Ancyra would not have an beefy population if it weren't for it's role on as the capital of turkey
Stop it.... my heart can only take so much beauty