Jesus Cannot Be God - According To Islam
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"It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts"
You may know them by their fruit.
@@TruthSeeker.John8.32
Wow!
Even Fatima, Hassan and Hussain proves his prophethood.
Allah hu Akbar
My eyes and my hearts are opened by jesus
@@Cross_heart09 If that is the case then ideally you should worship the God of Jesus. Not Jesus. Hopefully.
@@TruthSeeker.John8.32 Coming from an unreliable book, written by unknowns
amazing to see a rational and intelligent man say he doesn't want to be rational when talking about God
Because the knowledge of God, the creator is above human understanding..we only understand a little because our intellect is weak and limited. Do you think for a minute that you can fully grasp the vastness of a Being who created the universe and eternity? As humans, we've not yet understood ourselves as limited being for we're still discovering new things about ourselves..now think about GOD, really Try...it will make you humble as it did to some of us as well.
@@integohub8235 God's existence is rational, God begotten is irrational, heaven and hell existence is faith....
It's as simple as that and JP doesn't do that.
@@integohub8235 Allah cannot be comprehended, true. But we can use our brain and understand that he didn't become a man that ate food and prayed to himself.
@@nabaneetsharma4089 both sides agreed that God exist, but the existence of three Gods are irrational and that's the point of the debate.
What other did God give you to talk about him with?
the fact that they run an ad for a Bible study tool in the middle of an interview with someone trying to spread Islam brings me a special kind of joy
Haha me as well
keep living in a lie bible has contradictions but the glorious Quran is a perfect book with 0 mistakes and miracles in it.
@@danishmustafa262brainwashed
because they know islam is the only right religion. and we don't need to spread it 😅 the largest amount of people is islamic people
ah yes muhammad in a cave saw some angels very reliable@@danishmustafa262
He really tried to tell JP he was smarter at 13!!😂😂😂
yeah because kids are more in tune with their fitrah before the world fills their hearts with lies.
No he was complimenting him saying that jordan peterson was as smart as his friend at age 13
Yeah, he clearly was. That's what the clarity of youth will give you.
@@am-hd3lbchildren at 13 are not children at 2 years old… at 13 you are already in the society and world. Sorry but your logic here is not sound. 😊
@@am-hd3lbso thats why Moses' friend whos not in the bible walked around killing kids willy nillie?
Jordan trying to understand, the other guy trying to convert, huge difference
Jordan has been TRYING to "understand" for FORTY-SIX looooooong years ‼️
Isn't he supposed to have a very high IQ ⁉️⁉️
He obviously does NOT "understand" yet.
On the contrary , he seems to be tossing a load of SELF-CONFUSED WORD SALAD in this video .
The other guy , Hijab , is NOT an EVANGELICAL Christian , so nope , he is NOT trying to convert.
Hijab seems to be extremely intelligent & he's trying really hard to have an intellectual engagement with someone whose response to the fact that MORE than 2 B.I.L.L.I.O.N. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN JESUS AS A MESSIAH is ....
"That is a strange thing & we definitely have to sort that out." ⁉️⁉️⁉️
What a JOKE 🤣🤣🤣
THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT IS Y.O.U. , JORDAN.
Objective v subjective
When was he trying to convert? Seemed to me he was just asking questions to have a friendly debate.
Well said, understanding is the key to everything.
@@junkybullet9084 because Jordan has never tried to convert anyone or critique other religions also . The other guy is known for criticising all religions except for his own and does it in all his you tube videos .
This man basically said "how can you believe a contradiction, it's offensive to all logic?" his reply was "How can you believe something is all powerful and judge it by your human standards?"😂
It's quite the amusing exchange, isn't it? It's a lighthearted retort that playfully exposes the limitations of our human understanding when grappling with the concept of supreme power. It's as if the responder was saying, "Hold your horses, my friend, let's not put the divine in a box of human logic!"
In truth, it's a delightful reminder that sometimes our human faculties fall short when it comes to comprehending the unfathomable. So, let us share a chuckle and marvel at the paradoxes that pepper our philosophical discussions. After all, a dash of humor can add a touch of levity to even the weightiest of debates!
@@samm9318 Do the following passages not suggest that the concept of the Trinity is mentioned in the Bible?
Matthew 3:16-17 describes the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. Here is the passage from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible:
"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"
This passage demonstrates the simultaneous presence of the three persons of the Trinity: Jesus being baptized, the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, and the voice of the Father speaking from heaven. It serves as an example where all three persons of the Trinity are mentioned together, indicating their distinct yet unified roles in this significant event.
Matthew 28:19 contains the words of Jesus known as the Great Commission. Here is the passage from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
In this verse, Jesus instructs His disciples to go and make disciples of all nations. As part of this instruction, He specifically mentions the act of baptizing believers in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This verse presents the three persons of the Trinity together in the context of baptism and the mission of spreading the teachings of Jesus to all people.
@@samm9318 Your ponderings upon the mention of the Trinity within the sacred passages doth captivate my attention. The intricate interplay betwixt implicit allusions and explicit references beckons us to embark upon a journey of logical deduction. Should we accept the veiled nature of the Trinity, its emergence would be expected to bear the weight of logical coherence, free from the shackles of self-contradiction. Thus, the very assertion posited by the original querist is rendered invalid, as thy discerning mind hath discerned.
Now, let us turn our gaze to your inquiry, wherein I humbly assert that neither of the aforementioned passages doth unequivocally proffer the concept of the Trinity. Your endeavor to interpret these verses through the lens of Christology is comprehensible, yet it behooves us to disengage from such paradigms and approach them with an objective scrutiny.
Perchance, consider Matthew 3:16-17, which doth bear semblance to 2 Samuel 7:14, wherein it is proclaimed that God shall be a Father to David, and David shall be His son. Verily, a voice declaring Jesus as "my son" from the celestial realms doth not inherently signify the Trinity.
As for Matthew 28:19, naught within that verse explicitly declares the Son and the Holy Spirit to be distinct entities within the Godhead. In truth, it has been suggested by a church father that the current formulation may be an alteration, veering from the original verse that accentuated baptism in the name of the Son alone. Nonetheless, even in its present guise, a verse exhorting baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit doth not perforce imply the existence of three distinct personages within a unified Godhead.
If we can't trust our brains to differentiate between contradictions and truth then why god created it like that? God should clarify the message in a way we understand. There's literally no reason to be a Christian when you have islam. More clear doctrine. more authentic book with no changes. We have a lot of evidence to prove our religion is from god. No contradictions. Literally about 99% of what christians doesn't like in islam is present more evidently in Christianity. Hope you do some more research and don't be like those (When it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “No! We ˹only˺ follow what we found our forefathers practicing.” ˹Would they still do so˺ even if Satan is inviting them to the torment of the Blaze?)
@@samm9318 The Bible also does not mention galaxies, planets, black holes etc. but it says Host of Heaven. If it does not mention its names does that mean they do not exist? No! The Bible puts all of them in the word Host of Heaven and the Trinity is put when Jesus says e.g. Father and I are one or the during Jesus’s baptism. Secondly, trinity is supported by the Revelation because we learn that Satan will mimick God and bring forth antichrist and false prophet who will convince people about this antichrist. Satan will be above them and they will form one system because they come from Satan, they are part of him but they will have different roles that complement each other. The same we can observe with Trinity. There is God and He exists in three persons God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit who convinces us and brings us to Christ. They come from One God but they have different roles.
Jordan said on Piers Morgan when asked - "By their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:16"
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
THE „RELIGION OF PEACE“:
"the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger […] is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides" Surah 5:33
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Bukhara 6922
Jews:
"The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a tree and the tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him"
Sahih Muslim 2922
S**-Slaves:
"˹forbidden are˺ married women-except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. [...]" Surah 4:24
Father of Lies:
Literal: "And they cheated and Allah cheated, and Allah (is) the best (of) the deceivers" Surah 3:54
Wake up, you’re praying to the devil. God never wants hate.
So when Christians tortured people during the inquisition...
Plenty more examples if you like.
@@MoroccanMoor the difference is:
True Christianity teaches "love your enemies and neighbors like yourself".
True Islam teaches "fight and kill infidels".
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Read the metaphysics of Ibnu Sina, theres explain divine in philosophy way (if you are kind of "minded" person), but if you want to read something more faith rather than mind, you should read sufism/tasawuf... Islam is only the religion who have boundaries and some ritual (syari'at) so to say, which is to have a relation with god in the most depth of soul... while other religion have no aim, and just spinning around with no purpose, it is.
Currently reading 1 Corinthians and the first 2 chapters echo that wisdom of God is foolishness to the ones perceived to be wise by others. And that God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wisdom of man.
It literally blows my mind how intentional God was about that. And I am in awe of His Wisdom 🙌🏿
Hallelujah
Amen!!
Why would God need to put to shame the wisdom of man when man is His creation?
Yes but not the truth, you can be courageous in truth, 1 of 1, no partners and no equals, he his one and alone. He sends messengers as a mercy to mankind, to follow his laws and believe in his Messengers. Are you telling me your God is a Jew?
Gospel Verses which show Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is just a Prophet of God.
*Mark 12:29*
"And Jesus (peace be upon him) answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
*Matthew 21:11*
"The crowds answered, 'This is Jesus (peace be upon him), the Prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.'"
*Matthew 21:46*
"They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he [Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)] was a Prophet."
*Luke 24:19*
"‘What things?’ he asked. ‘About Jesus (peace be upon him) of Nazareth,’ they replied. ‘He was a Prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.'"
*John 4:19*
"Sir,’ the woman said, ‘I can see that you [Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)] are a Prophet."
*John 6:14*
"After the people saw the sign Jesus (peace be upon him) performed, they began to say, 'Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.'"
*John 9:17*
"So they said again to the blind man, 'What do you say about him since he has opened your eyes?' He said, 'He [Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)] is a Prophet.'"
Conclusion:-
*John 17:3*
"[Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said] And this is eternal life, that they know you, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) whom you have sent."
Jesus is Lord.
Do you mean a God ?
Amen
John 14:24
"and the word which you hear is not mine but the father's who sent me"
John 14:28
"for my father is greater than I"
Acts 2:22
"Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God"
Even though the bible has been severely corrupted, there's still signs of the real truth in there. Stop following blindly, monotheism is the only truth.
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Refrence : Quran word of allah and allah said it before 1444 ~ aprox
@@mreyecanreal8170 here Jesus was talking as human not as God he also said I'm the beginning and the end... I can paste a lot of verses that prove he is the only God 💯
Beware of those that claim to know it 'all' ...
Said the same about Christ and before him they said it about Moses and after Christ, they said that about Paul.
Beware of those that claim anything really. Form your own thoughts.
@@tjwoosta👏👏👏 Brav Fucking O
@@tjwoosta beware of those that claim 'to know' anything really. Be humble in your pursuit of knowledge.
He’s making good points. These are important conversations.
It always amazes me how people think they're supposed to understand God before they'll believe. Men and women barely understand each other, but we try to wrap our head around the infinite. It's actually illogical to think God can be figured out...
So then what proof or what reason do you have to believe in Jesus Christ as god? Why not say you’re a pagan and follow Hindu gods if you don’t need to understand god?
@@yusufraqib2072 to understand God is like saying a computer could understand human emotions or in general. They can't. They are a creation of a mind.
@@danehayes3324 Sure, I’m not disputing your point (yet) so which god do you now choose as a consequence of that logic? Why aren’t you a Hindu
Why not believe in the flying spaghetti monster then? This reasoning is exactly why the atheists make a mockery of you Christians.
@@yusufraqib2072 You can't even define a God, let alone talk about God.
"rationality must be subordinate to something above itself." Well said. It presumably more-so needs a plumb line. If truth and true rationality walk hand in hand
That's funny too because Islam uses rationality to explain why Jesus can not be God, But when the question of why did Allah do this or that, They often say "Only Allah knows" which means rationality is applied only when they discuss Christianity. Even the basic rationality of why a 53-year-old Muhammed married a 9-year-old, Killed a husband and married the wife, and after saying Allah approves 4 wives to every male then he married 11... which means in matter of Islam, rationality is subordinate to something (Allah) , but in the discussion of Christianity it has to be all rational
@@smazyarchitectellc8379this should be a main comment
I don't really think Mohd Hijab would be able to fully comprehend that statement
@@smazyarchitectellc8379everything you stated is not a rational judgement, they’re moral judgements. Make sure to distinguish between them before making blunders. Muslims aren’t inconsistent with rationality and we don’t say it doesn’t apply to God. God is a rationally consistent being. God being 3 in 1 is an irrationality,
@@omarabbasi26823 beings that are 1 being is irrational, 1 being that is of 3 persons is not. It is plausible, and there is textual evidence for this, so we Christians believe it to be true.
I thought I understood English, until I hear Jordan Peterson speak
ft lol, I love the way he speaks. A man of wisdom indeed
God send Jordan to humble us and get our room clean... And remind us about the difference between equality of outcome and equality of opportunity.... And to ask the question when does we say Left has gone too far...
The reason you can tell Jordan is incredibly intelligent while everyone is mocking him is that he’s the only one that assumed that God would be a being that we cannot possibly comprehend in fullness, therefore we also cannot possibly rationalize him by any human method. Science is simply insufficient to explain God, because it’s a flawed system produced by comparably far lesser beings.
Edit: Moreover, if we could fully understand God, than He truly would not be God.
Isaiah 55: 8-9
Only the Holy Spirit could reveal such truth to you. How blessed you are.
People like you act intelligent, but clearly are not. We aren't using science to debunk the trinity, we are using logic and the law of non contradiction.
Logic and the law of non contradiction is the only thing that we know for sure is 100% true.
You can't even have science if you don't have these two things.
You can't have math, you can't have anything.
These two thing are the base of reality.
If you can't come to a rational or logical conclusion to the trinity, but you can come to a rational/logical conclusion to Islam, Islam is the truth.
Christians are idol worshipers because they associate other beings with God.
We know intuitively that God is One.
Well that pretty much blows up the Bible, which proports to understand a great deal about God.
@@benjamintrevino325 Why do you profess to know so much about the Bible? Therein, God's nature is revealed, the Author of love and logic. His attributes of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence are explained. And His willingness to give eternal life as a gift to those who accept Him, with no strings attached. The latter alone sets him spart from all other (false) faiths that require man to do the impossible, which is to be good.
Now you and I know that all men lie, cheat, steal or worse. Sin our nature: nobody needs to teach us to be greedy and unkind. So what about the Trinity?
That God is three persons in one cannot be grasped by a non-Christian, and most Christians are poor theologians, though blessed with the assurance of eternal life. What makes it so difficult to mentally encompass the Trinity is the fact that no two organic substances are identical...every blade of grass is different in some way. But we do have absolute identicalness in the inorganic realm: all sodium chloride molecules are identical, all ribosomes are identical and all hydrogen hydroxil ions are identical. Would you not agree that ice, water and steam are three distinct objects yet one and the same substance?
You see, you and I will always only know in part, since man cannot rise above himself. And history is heavily punctuated by man's efforts to replace God with routinely catastrophic results.
I like what one gifted mind once wrote: she said, "So stupid is man that if God answered every one of his prayers, he would be ruined at his own request." We can get to the moon but cannot get along with each other...never as evidenced by wars. Is man basically good? Answer yes only if you do not lock your door, don't use a password or don't act cautiously when approached by a stranger.
I think your greatest strength is intellectual curiosity. But don't confine yourself to empiricism, which places its eyes in its hand sees only what it can touch. That will get you drunk on humanism and limit your understanding of anything spiritual. By thinking you are wise, you are guaranteed to become a fool.
3:00 rationality should be subordinate to something above it.
3:29 ad start
4:55 ad end
Good man
One must ask themselves. Do you have a body? Do you have a spirit that is separate from your body? Do you have a soul/mind? Is that separate from your body and spirit? If you said yes, then you have three aspects to yourself that are all YOU, but all separate.
But even by your logic my brother, my soul mind doesn’t worship my body nor vice versa. Nor does my brain say only the soul knows best or worship the soul. The issue with the trinity is that the Father is clearly superior to Jesus. Where in the Bible did the Father pray to Jesus?
@@brokenhero6828I think you're getting it wrong, among your sould spirit and body there's an hierarchy, there's one who's got the wheels and takes charge, it can change depending on the person...and with the trinity The father is the one in charge
Yes. I actually use this in my arguments, and I'm not even a Muslim. The best argument for the trinity is that every mind we are aware of is triune. Every known mind consists of a consciousness, a subconsciousness and the connection between them, three personalities in one mysterious union that we don't really understand yet. And yet, they would vie. And so I consider G-d having an abnormal mind to be more convincing. Also a being that powerful becoming a human seems illogical.
@@brokenhero6828if you Google the question you made, you will find the verses where the father worship the son. But you never did a simple reasearch. Which shows you don't want to learn.
Iam god according to ur comment lol
Everyone here loves Jordan’s curiosity and patience but ignore his clear double standards.
❤
Exactly!
@@Eternal.Life.you just using sources, narratives and beliefs rejected by hundreds of millions of muslims and contradicted by everything else as an argument against Islam ... that's a very weak if you ask me be cautious God will judge you and ask you why weren't you fair
Aee you not 100% your hand, yet at the same time not your hand?
As long as your hand is connected to you, you say "This is me". But if I cut off l off your hand and make it a cripple are you still not you??
Red light and all the colors ARE all white light. They're just merely fifteenth manifestation of that white light. Remove the prism that created the red light (and rest of the rainbow) and the white light still exists despite the red disappearing.
Remove the incarnation of mere flesh (Jesus of Nazareth) and you still have God.
Is God ALMIGHTY? If he is then making an AVATAR for himself is not impossible
@@Ahme313 Remember: If you must lie for islam, means your belief is a lie.
All this hadith are approved and used daily by the muslims.
Repent and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. This is your salvation.
Jordan Peterson successfully make trinity more complicated and beyond understanding.😊
He was humble and understanding when faced with irrationality
@@PoldarkGodzillais there any greater irrationality than trinity?
@abdulhafeezpanhwar8228 I don't mind helping understand the trinity if you'll have me but truly, I find standing by a book that stands against historical facts regarding the crucifixion or following in the footsteps of a man who permits and takes part in child marriage and child rape far more irrational than any base refutation of the trinity
@@reality.remixxxx4225how old was Rebecca when she got married haha 😂
@helloplopman oh boy here we go a Muslims favorite counter to Muhammad's kiddie diddling. Ok so in the story of Isaac and Rebekah, the Bible clearly infers the age of a woman when it comes to Rebekah as she carried large pitchers of water to quench the thirst of the camels. This was a role for the women at that time. She was old enough for the consensual act of marriage as was asked of her ("yes I will go"). Muslims always like to state that she was three at the time of marriage but this is absurd as they get the math wrong according to when Sarah dies at 100+ yrs old. They will say that the account of rebekah's birth happens exactly tye moment Sarah died which puts her as young as they state, however it isn't the case. Time is passed and Rebekah matures enough to be married when appropriate. If you would actually research your claims instead of spouting them bc they help your case with your prophet, Muslims would not make these claims.
Furthermore, let us assume that an important figure in Christian history does something as appalling as marrying children and consumating with them. This does not hurt the Christian case as we are not beholden to act the way that figure did. We do not hold that figure as a moral example like we do with Jesus. Yet Muslims hold Muhammad (and all his evils) as a moral standard for everybody in the world including today. That's is where the problem lies. If it was just that Muhammad married and sleeped with children as it was customary back then but not today, it would be a different issue as I understand cultural differences despite it being a bad one. However Muhammad is hailed by Muslims to be the great example to all of mankind. Big No, I follow Jesus who never slept with the women let alone children that he created, who forgives his enemies and those who insult him instead of sending people to kill them, and who never beat anybody like Muhammad beat his child bride
Peterson also wisely point out the essence of faith: "I don't want to be a rational actor... because rationality should be subordinate to something above it" Hebrew 11:1 - Now faith is being sure of what we hope for (The thing we pray in the accordance to the will of God) and certain of what we do not see (what we can comprehend by the eyes and by any reasoning or logic)
I find the idea two infinite godhoods would compete and strip power from each other odd. If they automatically competed they're flawed and not truly good (omnibenevolent) and if they could be stripped of power they're not truly powerful (omnipotent). It'd be a better argument against two powerful but limited pagan 'gods' perhaps.
This!
His point is that two omnipotent beings, when you truly understand what that word means, cannot exist in the same reality. It's a logical paradox.
The trinity and Jesus being the son of God/his incarnation are concepts that are way more consistent with Greek and Roman pagan mythology than the Abrahamic monotheistic faith.
@@ah.1190 I think when they say Jesus is the son of God they do not mean it literally. It is more so metaphorically as in back in the day if you came from someone you would be call their son or daughter. Like the son and daughter of Israel. It is play with word and semantics.
Christianity was corrupted by Paul the Deceiver. Jesus never claimed to be forming a new religion, he literally said himself he was sent to the Children of Israel to restore the Mosaic law from Moses and put them back onto the right path after they have been drifting away from God.
@@ah.1190Christians don't believe in two omnipotent beings. They believe in one triune being. The three persons are one and the same omnipotent God, not in part but in whole.
How Jordan is able to be patient with some people who are so condescending is admirable.
But a pedophile can be a prophet in islam.LMAO can’t take that serious.
@@diemc7a1we must follow the word of Allah as set forth by Muhammad. Except for that last bit that was ate by a goat apparently..... its crazy when you think of how the rights of women were ensconced in Islam only because Muhammad's abuse victims banded together at the last moment to make a huge change in the world
Peterson himself is pretty condescending when he’s straw manning his political opponents
There's no condescension from either of them here. Why not be more specific?
Muhammad is actually a really cool guy
I have always had difficulty wrapping my head around the concept of the Trinity. When reading c.s. Lewis, I discovered that he also struggled with the concept. He wrote that the Trinity might be thought of as a kin to "time". That is, consider that the concept of time is made up of past, present and future but it is all part of one thing (ie time).
Human language and human minds may not be equipped to fully grasp some Divine concepts but only strong and perceptive enough to recognize that they do exist.
But the past, the present and the future do not co-exist concurrently. Which is a premise of the Trinity.
The father is God,
the son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
The father is not the son,
the son is not the spirit,
the father is not the spirit.
@@maambomumba6123 Many theologians have hypothesized that past, present and future in fact do concurrently exist from the perspective of God. It is from our own limited, human viewpoint that they are separate because we exist and function within time and that an omniscient, omnipotent Creator would stand outside of time, as he stands outside of nature.
@@markallen2984 Bravo. I finally found someone pointing this important point out. Since you can understand this, now imagine, John A has a time machine, he jumps to the future to meet future John, who we will call John B. When John A meets up John B, he sees John C, who is the John from the future of John B and John A (himself). 3 of them are the same John (same entity) but simultaneously different John (different person)
@@markallen2984this logic is self defeating.
Who came up with the Trinity ideology? They didn't understand it?
If humans developed the idea, surely, it should be within human comprehension and explanation.
Those who claim to understand the trinity aren't superhumans, are they?
Do they exist outside of time like God so that they grasp the concept?
What is not true is not true?
Explaining it away that it's Incomprehensible is not really cool.
I’ve done my homework, I read every-fin.
“Do you still feel vat way?”
“No, I was 13 at the time”
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😅, spanking fir not doing the home work he said he did, or just blunt stup1
I love how Jordan explores and explains Christ and Hijab doesn’t even notice that Jordan is talking about Christ’s divinity. Yeah… yeah… yeah… 😂
He got knowledge cliffed lol
Please come and educate the Oxford graduate and theology researcher yoel17 😂
And I love how Jesus (PBUH) is divine for Muslims aswell. So how do you expect Hijab not to notice it? Or even further, why would he contest Jordan while he's explaining the divinity of Jesus, when Hijab literally agrees with what Jordan is saying. 😂
he is a messenger of allah and is venerated and loved in islam but he is still not divine regardless, the point Jordan is making is not about the divinity of jesus but rather trying to build up a basis from a limited point of view that of a christian that has not studied Islam, single focus point that Hidjab does not have being a researcher in theology and rather being more knowledgeable than JP@@Ali-zo4lh
Coz he is't that smart person ?
"Do not debate with the people of the Book unless it is in the best manner, except with those of them who commit injustice. And say, “We believe in what is sent down to us and sent down to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit (ourselves).”
(Al-Ankabut-46)
Except muslims believe christians got the godly message all wrong fucked it up and allah sent mohamed to correct it and lecture us. You tried to sound tolerant, hiding your intolerance. 😂
Very well said.
Now we should start, not debate, but well mannered conversation.
If you believe that, then logically, you would be committing Shirk. Christianity definitely teaches that Jesus is both the Son of God and a part of the Trinity.
So either, the Quran is telling you that the Christian church has the correct belief and you must share it, committing Shirk, or you would have to assume that the Quran is incorrect which, I would assume is blasphemous.
@@mikemental8285 Jesus was resurrected in the flesh to save all of our souls.
You believe muhammad flew on a horse with an human face bro...
no yelling, no mocking. everything delivered peacefully and full of respect towards each other.
It’s quite a concept in this day and age.
unlikely for a muslim
Religious nut talking delusional nonsense …
I subscribe firmly to Krishnamurti’s view that ‘thought creates all things and thought created religion.’
Plus he’s thick.
Hijab didn't have an option other than to be. He knew he was sitting in a different level. Jordan would have torn his debate to pieces. Hijab sits behind the fact he has a degree etc, so what? I know plenty of people with degrees and masters and still don't know a thing, understand anything or can do a job. Majority of degrees and masters are about memory. This guy is racist and does not want peace. Its all a cover, he usual can't hold his tongue this well. If it was anyone less then the two gents sitting opposite he would have lost his shit.
@@dominckneale2676this. Hijab "wins" debates by shouting and his entourage eats it all up.
600 years after a man receives a revelation and wants to tell us about Jesus in some way trying to supercede what the apostles who literally walked and talked with him reported on him. Great is the mystery of Godliness.
The apostles who walked and talked with Jesus believed the exact same thing as that man that came 600 years later. The first three centuries of Christians believed in Jesus as a prophet and messiah just like Muslims do. Only Christians after the third century thought otherwise. The people who wrote the Bible did not walk and talk with Jesus. No one even knows who they are.
No they didn’t because the disciples and the Old testament prophet agrees about Jesus! Muhammad go against everything God says! An example God said one man one woman. Muhammad and his god says muslims can marry 4 wives and Muhammad can marry 11. So you see light and darkness are not the same!
You are ignorant! The Bible tells us who they are!! The Bible tells us who their fathers were. Their profession and how Jesus meet them. You believe in the lies of islam!
@@nunya54False on every level. The Gospel of John states Jesus claimed to be God. The earliest fragment of John is dated 130 AD, a far cry from the 600 years you claim. Matthew, Mark, and Luke are quoted by Ignatius (one of the early church fathers) in a letter from 95 AD meaning they must have been written before that. This puts them in line with verifiable eyewitnesses who knew Jesus. Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as God, indicating that Jesus is indeed God. In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. The truth is that you never come up against a time in the Christian church where Jesus isn't worshipped as God.
Couldn't say it better👏
I think Jordan said something so profound that in their conversation, it had ebbs and flows, of wandering mind or when they really have interest, and that being where true bi-directional logos is at its peak. Then the compared that to Christ. Christ has logos with the Father, uninterrupted, no ebbs and flows.
Constant straight communion with the Father. No disunity.
Yo, that’s mad profound. Sometimes Jordan speaks in a way that misses you, but this- beautiful
This is the first time I saw a Muslim and Christian debate without screaming cursing and mocking... fight by knowledge and believe... truly magnificent of debate it is..
What do you think about Islam?
Hijab just told JP he was smarter at 13 than he is now.
Jp isn’t a christina
A Muslim will never debate with a true Christian, always remember Christianity is not one of the religions this world.....
loads of these debates online I would advice checking Muhammad Hijab as he goes and debates without script
Jordan is so cool at dealing with topics that Hijab wanted to bring that are outside the context of this discussion. Jordan knowns that Hijab is not doing this debate in good faith of each other Hijab will never understand how he lost the debate.
Lol only in your own world mate Jordan Peterson simply can not answer if god or Jesus is god or whatever the Holy Spirit is Jesus never claimed to be the direct son of god or ever mentioned the Holy Spirit in the bonible
@@kdawg7461what are you saying 🤦😂
One day he will understand how he lost... pretty confident about that - but now is not the time.
Muslim apologists never debate in good faith
They come with pre-conceived notions
@Celeste-dp5ur clearly he did not lose. Clearly you don't understand truth when it's right there. There is only 1 God not three.Simple, Christians over complicate it which is a clear error. You say three is one and vice versa.When god says no there is just me.this is why your lost.
Apostle Paul wrote 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 (ACV) And without controversy great is the mystery of piety. God was manifested in flesh, justified in spirit, seen by heavenly agents, proclaimed among nations, believed in the world, taken up in glory.
Apostle Paul wrote here that Jesus was God manifested in human flesh, this was what Paul believed. This dual nature is a mystery and difficult to comprehend.
An analogy to help us understand is a 3 dimensional object we know can also manifest itself in two or one dimension, without sacrificing or diminishing its 3 dimensional properties. Jesus while human remain as God and in full connection to God the Father. Yes His human body limit the full expression of God, but that does not make Him less of God. He need to manifest in human form so humans can relate to Him, In the same way a 3 dimensional creature shows itself in two dimensions so that two dimensional creatures can relate to it. He also need to be human to offer Himself as perfect sacrifice for humanity's sins.
The dual nature of Jesus is reason why in the Bible Jesus is sometimes refer as the Son of God, (Luke 1:35, Matthew 3:17, John 5:26) and sometimes as the Son of Man. (Acts 7:56, Matthew 8:20, Matthew 20:28).
1 Timothy 6:16 tells us God the Father was invisible, but God the Son was made visible as written by same author Apostle Paul in Colossian 1:15-17
Colossians 1:15-17 (ACV) who is an image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Because in him all things were created, things in the heavens and things upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or lordships or principal offices or positions of authority, all things have been created
And he is before all, and in him all things hold together.
Jesus told the Jews He and the Father are one, when the Jews heard this they wanted to stone Him because they understood He was saying He is of same essence as God
John 10:30-33 (ACV) I and the Father are one.
Therefore again the Jews took up stones so that they might stone him.
Jesus answered them, I have shown you many good works from my Father. Because of them, which work do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, We stone thee not about a good work, but about blasphemy, and because thou, being a man, make thyself God.
When Jesus died, His human nature died , but He remains as Son of God, the Trinity can never be broken. Just as we cannot remove the division of time, the past, present and future existed as one harmonious entity
When Paul asked the pagans to turn from worthless idols to the One true and living God (Acts 14:14-15), it is because in the Old testament Paul learned that God created everything, we are to worship the One Creator not worship the creations,though creation sometimes reflect the nature of God.
Genesis 1:26 (ACV) And God said, Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image--after our(plural) likeness--and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
But interesting during creation God refers to Himself in plural in Gen 1:26, suggesting there is more than one Person involved in creation. Which means God is One yet three Persons.
We can try to understand concept of Trinity when we look at the characteristic of time:the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous, yet they are not three ‘times’ but one. All three aspect of time all share the same nature: time. So each division of time is interdependent of each other. Time shows the concept of the Trinity is not self contradictory . The past always come before the present and future , each division of time play different roles or functions , but same essence with each other . The Time dimension is a reflection of the Creator, who is One true God with 3 persons : Father, Son and Holy Spirit interdependent of each other, yet same essence.
The Bible describes God as existing since eternality, past, present, future, neverending from past to future :
Revelation 1:8 (ACV) I am the Alpha and the Omega, says Lord, the God who is (present) and who was(past) and who is coming (future) , the Almighty.
Jesus is Son of God, He fulfills the role of the Son, that is why in 1 Corinthians 11:3 He is under the Father. The Father cannot be under or lower than the Son, that will not make sense. Just as in the time dimension , the present cannot come before the past, that will not make sense. By definition the present has to be after the past, and by definition the Son has to be below and lesser than the Father.
Although in terms of role the Son is under the Father, but the Son of God is still God, , He existed eternally as Son of God, that is why Jesus told the Jews before Abraham was, He exists , which the Jews again wanted to stone Him for saying this.
John 8:57-59 (ACV) The Jews therefore said to him, Thou have not yet fifty years, and thou have seen Abraham?
Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I am.
Therefore they took up stones so that they might throw at him, but Jesus was hid, and went out of the temple, having passed through the midst of them, and thus passed on.
Another verse says Jesus shared glory with the Father before creation:
John 17:4-5 (ACV) I glorified thee on the earth. I finished the work which thou have given me that I should do.
And now, Father, glorify thou me with thyself with the glory that I had with thee before the world was.
This verse suggest Jesus was with God before creation so He is not created
And the Father initiated salvation by giving the Son to sinners, that they may be forgiven and have everlasting life. The Holy Spirit who is God also (Acts 5:3-4) does the work of giving understanding to the scripture and transforming people.
John 3:16-18 (ACV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, so that every man who believes in him would not perish, but have eternal life.
For God sent the Son into the world not that he might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
He who believes in him is not condemned. He who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
ty both. I make my pledge to God real simple. I believe.
Revelation 1:17-18 “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.“
Space and time seem to be different things, yet they form one thing: spacetime. If physicists can deal with that mystery, we can deal with the mystery of the Trinity.
Great explanation
@@victora4did you really say great explanation with that explanation😂😂😂
@@HusseinAbdi-lf5oc You follow a pedophile and a slave owner, but please continue.
@@HusseinAbdi-lf5oc Space/Time/Light/Matter - yes, if these enormous conjoined mysteries are at the base of what came into being with the big bang or “beginning” - just all starting at once as if out of nowhere - then this does indeed pose an interesting analogy for the mystery of the Trinity… That’s pretty good! Mystery, Miracle, wonder and awe are happily embraced by Christians of true Faith and with gusto!
The mystery is key to Christianity. It may drive the non-believer mad - but then look at the total mystery at the heart of life and the as yet feeble attempts of science to fathom it and explain it intelligently!
Bravo Jim French! 🍻😎👍🙏
God transcends human understanding and He is not like His creation. He revealed to us He is one God in three Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We trust Him and take Him at His word.
This is a discussion between an intellectual humble enough to explore truth and an ignoramus who thinks he's got it all figured out and seems certain of his position.
This is why Muslims are so dangerous - they think they have it all figured out. It is such a naive position.
This is what someone who has find truth will do. When you found the truth why would act like you are unsure ?
@@sarahslm1178 Are we saying being boisterous or arrogant masquerading as sureness, is a sign that one posseses the truth? I rest my case.
@@UserDawood The question is why do you see arrogance in this man when he just speaks about what he believes is true. When christians preach their religion do you believe they are arrogant? What did he say that made you think he was arrogant?
@@UserDawood She's right lol You guys attack every argument without references or logic or sense or reason or scripture. And when they do decide to use scripture, they misquote, mistranslate and misunderstand exegesis.
The first 2 commandments are sufficient enough to disband Christianity. Anybody unaware that Islam is the truth has nothing but conjecture and fallacious thinking as their mechanism.
Also I completely understand that it is hard to communicate through words on a screen because you can't hear my tone, see my face, or my eyes.
It is coming out of a place of love. If you see it from my perspective, I am not doing it because I want to judge, it is because I believe in what the Bible says in how to get into Heaven, and I want people to get into Heaven.
From my perspective, if I see someone's house on fire, do I come in quietly and respectfully saying they can stay in the house if they want to, or do I speak with conviction?
Much love to you, hope we can meet in person one day and you can see how calm I am, I Wish you the best, no matter who you are.
If Jesus never claimed to be God, then why did the Jews say he was committing blasphemy for claiming to be God. Jesus once said, "Before Abraham was, I Am." And the Jews wanted to stone him for that.
Because that was saying He was God
I AM God
The Jews said it was blasphemy for Jesus to be a prophet. Please give a reference as I never heard your variant
@@brokenhero6828 John 10:31-33
King James Version
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
@@brokenhero6828what? 😂😂😂😂 when he said “before Abraham was born I am” they stoned him… how is that statement Jesus claiming to be just a prophet? No prophet would DARE say that… come on bro
I love Peterson's humble curiosity and his ability to turn a debate into a real conversation. It is a skill I would like to develop myself.
What skill ? Beating around the bush and not answering the question ?
@@tozrimondher4250 LOL
Oh so your developping the skill of being a loose person who does not answer the questions asked? Quite interesting
This was never a debate to begin with. What are you talking about?
Jordan would lose miserably in a debate regarding trinity.
Since when a red herring is considered as a skill lol
Where can I watch this whole discussion?
ua-cam.com/video/gqS1ov4lSI0/v-deo.html
We are living examples of how many things can come together to create one being.
The aggression in the cleric is so profound and Jordan so humbly and graciously answers as only he can!
Yea imagine defending a pedoprophet.
He’s a smart man. Played great defense without allowing his feelings to interfere😎
Jordan will convert to Islam eventually, just wait and see...
Now truth and honesty and confidence in their belief is called aggression? No. It's that you are just weak living in a weak society that hate honesty and truth.
It is his way of talking not aggression
"Rationality should be sub-ordinated to something above it" is one of the most greatest quotes from JP ever
Unless this "something above" created rationality along side humans, for us to distinguish truth from what human distorted genuune divine message...
JP didn't think this through. Rationality cannot be subordinated to irrationality. God is logical. There's no contradiction in God's creation. It's illogical to assume that God has to be contradictory and expects us to believe in contradiction or be punished.
@@kingadelloactually JP is not wrong rationality has to be subordinate to something above it . human rationality at least..remember what we may take as rational is not what God takes as rational the wisdom of men is foolishness in God's eyes So JP is actually right.
@@AnimeArt628 I agree in principle, but I disagree that this "something above it" can be irrational.
@@kingadello actually it can be irrational for example faith. logic is somehow subordinate to faith in the sense that more often than not most times you may even need faith to believe something logical is actually logical. Miracles are another example they sound rather irrational judging from our human standards. But even miracles has proven logic wrong more than once. I think JP was onto something when he made that statement
The problem of monotheistic religion and the omnipotence of one deity, logic goes out of the window. If God is all powerful Mr Hijab, how come he can't be in a trinity? What created the one God? If something can't come from nothing, what something bore this omnipotent being?
that is the whole point of him being god he wouldn’t need to be a trinity just a single entity and he wouldn’t be god if something created him because he’s the creater and that knowledge is far above us
The logos is the ein soff in gnosis with creation through the pneuma,
Is that so hard to comprehend?
When we dream our perspective is not our body and our dream is not separate from us, its our body, mind, and spirit.
When a station broadcasts a song the radio picks up that station's broadcast and emits it through the speakers but a radio station on the dial is not a "radio station" the building . And the song playing through the speakers is not a dj or a wave in the air, but its all one system,
This is another example of talking a lot without saying anything and successfully evading the argument.
Like muslims when you bring up Aisha age 😂
You are an example of an unfair biased person who would rather be a faceless Islamic unit than a free thinker with a desire for truth.
@@cisafrulli crusty bum has no say on what's right or wrong
@@cisafrulliYk this has been looked into many time, right?
I actually use Hijab's comment from the Qur'an in my arguments, and I'm not even a Muslim. The best argument for the trinity is that every mind we are aware of is triune. Every known mind consists of a consciousness, a subconsciousness and the connection between them, three personalities in one mysterious union that we don't really understand yet. And yet, they would vie. And so I consider G-d having an abnormal mind to be more convincing. Also a being that powerful becoming a human seems illogical.
Mutual Enlightment ist the Keyword here: From an abstract perspektive one was able to observe until now, that different groups share different opinions on which life guide advice giver book is the truth. if group A says to group B that they must be wrong it seems counter productive to mutual enlightment. maybe if you stick together you can find the answer between it somewhere in the future.
“They would’ve competed against each other”
They are all the same being
In the same way that we are a mind body and soul; three different beings, but also one.
That's just some suspicions made up by your scholars. That's an invention of lie against god. This is clearly a whisper of satan to who ever corrupted the gospel revealed to prophet jesus. So according to you one part of god is limited to human like and eats food. And can be killed. These are just how copied from Greco Roman polytheistic lores. How they make up demi gods. All praise is to Allah. There is none worthy of worship except him. And nothing is similar or look like Allah.
Mohammad: makes a series of logical points, with evidence and context
Jordan: im not interested in that, let me ask u something instead
Comments: omg jordan ur so smart
After 700 years Mohammad is as wrong as catholicism
JP spoke most of the video without saying anything at all 🤣
That's the whole point lmfao
So true 😂 masyaklah kudos to Hijab for being so patient. I would have been so frustrated
ffs Muh-the prophet actually believed the Trinity was Mary, Jesus and God
there is no logic in islam
So he's pretty much saying he turns off his rational thought process when he is accepting Christ as savior. But that way of thinking is faulty because any top notch scientific person could uses logic throughout his works and jobs and life but because his parents told him to be Buddhist or Hindu or Jew he will accept it by turning off his rational thinking. It pretty much becomes to each their own then. Hindu can say the same for his defense. Buddhist can say the same for his defense. Jew can say the same for his defense.
The basic premise that there is a God that controls this universe should shatter all our basic understandings and your worried about logic? There comes a point where logic is simply not sufficient to explain why's and how's.
@@digital_ghost3789 Reasoning and Intellect is given by GOD to recognize him, NOT to turn it off. When you turn it off and stop asking questions is when go Astray. Using Reasoning and Intellect a person can come to conclusion Which religion makes most sense. Like intellect would tell you. GOD cannot be a COW. Same way it will tell you God Cannot Die (because by definition in Bible He alone is immortal).
But it must be subordinate to something anyway. Is having kids rational? Sacrifice? Is the study of philosophy rational?
A scientist needs a philosophy of science to orient their work. Why invest in cancer research vs the study of ants? Whatever you make your rationality serve is usually your God: survival, human flourishing, reduction of suffering, etc.
Hope that made sense but consider the dangers of 'pure rationality'. It has to serve some kind of 'good' however we define that, but defining good for ourselves is as dangerous as anything has ever been.
@@ozmo69 it depends which definition of God you go by I go by what the Bible says.
@@digital_ghost3789 That's fine But what reasoning and logic was used to follow that God mentioned in the bible and not of any other religious scripture. you must have had to use some of your GOD given intellect and reasoning to chose the Bible over other books. Did you read every Religious book and by method of reasoning and logic and process of elimination you came to Bible? Its only fair to ask because you must know all the paths to know which one goes the right path
The recent discoveries in science have revealed that at the quantum level, the known laws of science and physics don't operate anymore. As the scientists study more, they realize how little they know about it and every discovery raises more questions than answers. Consider the following:
i. Light can exist as a particle and wave(Two things entirely different)at the same time.
ii. At the quantum level, the same sub atomic particle can exist in two places at the same time and communicate between themselves, even if separated by a huge distance. How is it possible? No one knows.
My question is:
a) If a beam of light can have dual nature, is it possible for it's creator to have a dual nature- God and human?
b) If a tiny sub atomic particle can exist in two places at the same time,is it possible for its creator to exist as Father, son and the Holy Spirit?
c) If our scientists are unable to fully comprehend the tiny sub atomic particle, will it ever be possible for the humans to fully comprehend God?
Mr. Jordan, I want to say this as a sister in Christ with the Love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Keep speaking as a man who speaks for God. I'm reminded of the words of our Lord Jesus, Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
I don't follow his argument personally. It seems to be based on the premise of being able to quantify God and put him in a category ... That's not the God I worship.
So many people like to stuff God into their own personal box that they think he fits into
I dont like this type of proposition, because then it sounds like youre saying that the trinity is un-understandable to human minds, and I assume you disagree with that. That kind of idea locks out discourse
Hugh Ross actually gives a really compelling explanation for this. Of course it has to deal with science the mainstream isn't really familiar with regarding how dimensions work and what it would mean for a higher dimensional being to enter a lower one. This is especially complicated if we consider that all space, matter and time is created by this Being who by definition is outside of it. The fact that we currently exist inside of this constructed universe thus restricts our understanding of anything outside of space matter and time.
its not the dimensions of space matter and time that makes trinity a non-sense idea. its the behavior of jesus on earth === he prays (to who?) himself? he can perform miracles, but he cannot save himself from the romans hanging him on a cross, so he has super-natural powers but he does not at the same time? === he is all powerful, yet he is powerless === he is all knowing yet has no idea about the future, thinks the end times are nigh yet 2,000 years have since gone by === sure God can come down as a man, but ffs behave like a God if you want to do that, lol....
By definition if that being comes in the form of a man he is no longer outside dimension. Jesus(AS) ate, slept, and went to the bathroom. He was a man.
@jamesalston7474 God being in essence outside of the universe in no way means that he is limited from entering or interacting with it. If he couldn't, then we would have absolutely no way interacting with him. Even according to Muslims, Allah gave Muhammed the Quran. This means that he in some way interacted with the universe. That doesn't mean that he is a part of it or understandable to created beings. An imperfect analogy would be like a person sticking his hand into a river and the fish seeing his fingers. The fingers may tell the fish something about the being that they are attached to, but the fish could never figure out what a human really is or how one works by just the fingers alone. Obviously since God is infinite and wholly other, the analogy is imperfect, but it demonstrates the point.
Also, Christians affirm that Jesus was a man. Christ has two natures: human and divine. It is important to remember that Christians don't believe that Jesus has existed or does exist AS A MAN for all eternity. The son is synonymous with God's word (the way by which he does all things). Christians believe that God's word took on a human flesh. Jesus is his human name, but the word has not always existed as Jesus. In no way is God human in essence.
@@zachwalters5709 I wont attack the analogy because we both agree it is imperfect. I never said that the almighty creator can not interact with his creation. However, the creator can not become the created. I think that is where Christians lose most people who honestly look into Christianity. A thing can not be both finite and infinite. Jesus ate food but he is self sufficient? He exited the womb of a woman but he has no beginning. He said that only the father knows this and that ect. I think that is why no Jew for thousands of years came to the Trinity conclusion nor did any Christian I know of before the 3rd century. That should tell us a lot
People aren’t ready for it. The Bible is way deeper than people think. They also misunderstand that it’s not even about “heaven or hell” it’s about the next earth, people seem to focus on heaven and not the NEW KINGDOM/ EARTH. The good news is that God manifested himself as Jesus due to him being the perfect vessel, since he didn’t have a seed of man.Even on the basic level of science we know this world is made up of things that can’t not be seen. (Atoms / molecules/ etc) that we can’t even see a lot of the color spectrum. Now, we see that invisible things have tangible effects. Non physical things can cause physical effects. They exist yet can’t see it. (Yet) … anyway this can go on and on. lol. I love contacting science and god.
Has anyone else noticed Hijab's demeanor? My respect for Peterson just doubled. To bring a fundamentalist to a level of a nervous but polite human requires something special. Peterson commanded respect. It's amazing.
It doesn't say it in my book. Therefore, I don't believe it is what he meant when he called it "Unintelligible," and it's such a closed-minded approach to understanding.
Only God opens or closes the eyes/mind/hearts as He chooses. Some cannot understand.
It's a fantastic theory that only God possesses the exclusive power to determine who can comprehend and who remains perpetually puzzled. How fortunate for those who believe they are blessed with divine insight while others are simply left in the dark. Clearly, it's a foolproof explanation for why some individuals struggle to understand certain concepts. Let's all revel in the divine mystery and leave it at that, shall we?
wow I interpret it as eyes (holy ghost), that are we as we see the world, our hearts (jesus) is our morals and mind is God which we think and is our existence and cant ever really understand.
So God is unfair ? If He is The one who choses to open or close people's eyes, that means that yet they have no control over their beliefs and that you need to "be chosen" by God to understand. But why are some people chosen and not others ? Are the lucky ones better than those who can't understand, not because they don't want to, but because they can't ? As a muslim I believe that everyone is able to find the truth because since Adam, we are free-thinkers, so if someone wants to understand and open their eyes, they can.
@@fzcf too much mumble jumble with no content
@@arunnaik3375yeah..
Lol
Like they just repeat whatever nonsense their priests or pastors fooled them with!😂
If Jordan Peterson can be quoted to when he was 13, anyone can.
Men trying to reason with human understanding, is like trying to put God is a box.
God still speaks to us through His words and the possession of the Holy Spirit, reach out to God, today! ♥️let go of your understanding, surrender to God and he will gift you with divine knowledge! “Seek and you will find” 💕
this is literally why God does not incarnate.
When looking at a clover would you say the clover is 3 different flowers? Or one flower with three leaves?
One flower 🌹?!
Quran (2:87) Surely We gave Moses the Scripture and caused a train of Messengers to follow him and then sent Jesus, the son of Mary, with Clear Proofs and supported him with the spirit of holiness.
Quran (2:91) When it is said to them: “Believe in what Allah has revealed,” they reply, “We only believe in what was sent down to us,” and they deny what came afterwards, though it is the truth confirming their own Scriptures!
Quran (2:113) The Jews say, “The Christians have nothing to stand on” and the Christians say, “The Jews have nothing to stand on,” although both recite the Scriptures.
@@haider7866 the irony of the old and new testament literally being nothing but conjecture is a miracle in and of itself.
"Rationale should be subordinate to something above it and I'm trying to subordinate myself to that."
-Jordan Peterson
What a great quote.
Yea like scripture... that's what Muslims are doing. Peterson doesn't even identify as a Christian. He's a hypocrite.
Jordan is wise
So he's a sheep for god 😂😂😂
When do we get to see you tell him Muhammad is not a prophet according to Christianity?
I'd rather not have Dr. Peterson blown up or otherwise assassinated lol we need him
You mean according to the original Hebrew Bible, not just Christianity. Muhammad was an evil man who had child brides, rewrote the Bible and lead a cult and here we are today.
He needs to stay alive dude😭
If he’s afraid of death then he needs to not even give these Muslims a platform to deny Christ!
This guy doesn't represent Muslims...
The triune God can be understood as 1x1x1=1 not 1+1+1=3 God is one. And since we know God is love, and he does not rely on anything outside of himself to express love, he must have a way within himself to give and receive or express love.
Another thing to consider as well is the triune nature of the atoms, and the triune nature in the very fabric of creation.
If you believe in some fanfic religion that extends the lore of christianity and judaism, sure, you can say Jesus is whatever you want him to be.
rationality must be subordinated because it has only the facts it has access to which are always provisional. but its tricky because things can be outright false. but if you have all the reason to believe something then encounter some sort of contradiction that you cant rationalize yet doesnt undermine your experience you must have faith in that being reconciled at a higher order of understanding
I think it comes down to this: Either we take Moral Authority, and give the responsibility of defining it to a living, breathing, easily fallible, easily misguided, easily mistaken, easily bought, untrustworthy, easily imperfect Man or Women. And simply trust they’ll get it “right”. OR, we decide to give that responsibility and recognition to…. Something “higher”, or “greater” than anyone man or women. I for one choose the second option. I choose to believe, so to speak, in a higher power. And the higher power provided to me by the culture i currently inhabit and have been influenced by has been Jesus Christ. I choose to accept jesus, because i have more trust in him, than i do the man or women attempting to take me away from him. And i accept the irrational, sometimes contradictory nature of believing in a higher power. Because ultimately, i believe all the religions are describing the same thing. Just in differing terms. ❤🙏🏼✝️🤷♂️
We love Jesus too. We should follow Jesus and worship whom he submitted to and not the church or our elders. Which is* sorry to say this, but it was the truth. Submitted to only powerful God. Allah SWT
@@cthulhucrews6602 well…….? Go on! You gonna tell us?! 🤣
@@cthulhucrews6602 we gotta give ‘em a sec while they hit that google search real quick 😂😂😂
@@cthulhucrews6602 what ever you want
If God was real surely we would believe the same no? He knows all that has been and will be but he let's us all believe different. I choose not to believe as man lies and there is no proof of any god! I'd say prove me wrong but you can't and you never will, you say you believe in a higher power but you don't, you believe lying man that told you there was a higher power. Contradicting yourself as you all do, truth yet there is no proof that it is truth so you lie when lying is meant to be a sin. Nobody has ever come back from being dead dead not just died on the operating table, nobody has ever got pregnant without sex and without those 2 things christianty is dead in the water. And guarantee all the other religions are all BS.
Hijabs argument. "If in our book it says one thing, then your thing is wrong." After calling for factual evidence he relies on no evidence to back up his argument. That should have been the end of the interview within the first 2 minutes.
The way he conducts himself is so far below Peterston its shameful, he's just a cheeky bully that's got a camera in front of him looking to be contentious, he's not there to share views.
I am with Jordan here.
Rationality is subject to something higher.
Assalaam alaykum.
Some people can use astoundingly intellectual explanations to arrive at ridiculously unintellectual conclusions
Behold... Jordan Peterson
Person 1 “Angel Gabriel told my prophet this.” Person 2 “No, because Angel Gabriel told my prophet this”. None of them are being rational.
With muslims you only have the last one
Ever notice Jordos' choice of clothing. He is not averse to appearing ridiculous.
@@markvon9727 atheist: Darwin told me this therefore this is true
“Is ANYTHING impossible for God?” - Nope. He is omniscient, omnipotent, an omnipresent.
Amen
This has already been refuted many times throughout history... its a tired and nonsensical argument and it comes from poor logic and an ignorance on the part of Christians on what Muslims believe. Stating that "God can do anything" is not an actual argument for the claim that God does things which completely go against what He himself has said. Thats like saying God can lie if he wants because hes God and he does what he wants... that completely goes against his majesty as God and what He has claimed for himself. Allah literally says in the Quran he has no parents and no children. What your saying is blasphemous from a Muslim perspective. God (or Jesus for that matter) never stated that He was a trinity. Your defending a nonsensical innovation of your own Religion... even Christians who do their historical research know the trinity was added hundreds of years later based on Greek metaphysics. This argument is child level...
It doesn't change the fact that the creator can do anything
@@AbdullahMikalRodriguez lmao, imagine complaining that God cant lie while also believing your Allah is the greatest of decievers 🤣🤣
So, God can do evil?
I'm not a fan of the ways of Hijab's conversing and debating, however i believe that Hijab has a a strong point. By knowing the basics of logic, i.e., the rational judgments (the necessary, the possible, and the impossible), and by knowing from where they came, what they mean, and how they work, one can tell that it is rationally impossible for a god that is absolute to have a son, eat, or be subject to time and space. If it is the case, whom we called god will be contingent or an accident, or subject to accidents , just like me and you, and the laws of nature applies to this god as well. In this case rationally it is impossible for him to be god. These are the limits, I believe, that we need, to know how to address god, or to know him, and to know ourselves and our limits of course. beyond that is incomprehensible.
Another very important point, if the limits of the human reason are not enough to comprehend the concept of the creator or god in a manner that makes sense, then it is not possible to talk about god at all! Because nothing makes sense then and it waisting for time. Therefore, we should have some sort of limits that makes us comprehend the concept of the creator up to the point that makes it possible to know and acknowledge him, hence worship him.
Another point in easier terms maybe: if we accepted that there is a thing that is absolute, it is impossible to have another absolute, for the first absolute already prevails. If one asks, there are two absolutes or more in multi dimensions, i have then to ask from where they came, and who made them. The logic says that it is impossible that an absolute, i.e. a necessary thing, brings or creates another absolute.
I will be happy to clarify more if there is a question or receive a disagreement with its clarification.
Since the beginning of Christianity there were groups who debated about whether Jesus was the same as God, was the son of God, or just a man. Those who believed he was just a man were groups as early as the Ebionites as well as the early Christian Gnostics. But after the council of Nicaea in 325 AD (which convened of the first place because of what Aryan Christianity said about Jesus) they concluded that Jesus was just as divine as God and because their organization had bishops in strong places the faction that was created after the council won out
islam speaks of respect
for Christianity but among
themselves they call it
blasphemy
Didn't they ever hear that old straw: don't takfir a takfiri?
It’s the same with Christianity? Obviously saying that Jesus is not God is akin to blasphemy
@@griefwnl7641 sure but Christianity is NOT trying to claim "we also honor your top god"
@@bumpercoachwe dont need ur favor
@@bumpercoachMuslims honer Jesus Christ? What’s your point. A billion people around the world recite his story according to the Quran. If this isn’t honouring I don’t know what is
“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” - David Jeremiah
when God was in human form, does he ever experience lust?
@@thegrunbeld6876 No, he did not. Lust is a sin, N He did not sin. Scriptures say he committed no sin neither was there any deceit found in him.
@@SG-kp5hi Did jesus know the hour?
@@SG-kp5hi
So God manifests in creation? Welcome to paganism. Only difference between you and hindus is the number of idols
@@2ARM4170 Calling God Becoming human paganism is wild. Humans aren’t objects, pagans worship objects. Don’t lump all of creation into one box.
00:21 - 00:50 of this video made me laugh so hard!
Where’s the full video?
"the infinite descending to the finite to illuminate us" that's a pretty good summary of the Trinity and God as the son of man
Why send messagers if that were the case?
@@mollotuka8946yep these fools believes this shit ,
This has been striking a nerve in people I see.
People are focusing too much on his initial statement "I'm not interested in being a rational actor," instead of what was said after. Strong words, to be sure, but y'all should know this man chooses his words carefully.
Notice he also admitted that when engaged in scientific work, he's absolutely interested in being rational, as well as acknowledging Hijab's point that this seemed paradoxical.
Listen to what Peterson says as he tries to breakdown how he arrived at this point. He's saying that to attempt to explain the transcendent using logic misses the point in some fundamental way. That to constrict EVERY point of the human experience into a rational framework would be losing something. That the dreamlike and magical thinking of our psyches must be satisfied somehow, and that means leaving the door open to things that just don't make sense to us right here, right now.
Besides, that struck me a strange move by Hijab to call the Trinity into question on the grounds that it "made no sense". Dude, you're a Muslim. You ALSO believe in a God, Angels, divine revelation, etc. It's not as if your religion is entirely rational. I suppose you could argue about just how much irrationality one is willing to tolerate in their worldview but...I get the feeling Hijab isn't interested in a discussion like that. Few would be, I admit. But that doesn't mean it isn't worth having.
That being said, Hijab made for a terrific video, and I really respect him for sharing his perspectives with non-Muslims. The only way to solve a problem is understand how we got here and why. And the Christian and Muslim worlds both have much to discuss with one another. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather talk it out than kill it out. I think the world's had enough of that for a while.
Unfortunately I don’t think the islamists want to talk it through…
@@jstone5239
The problem with Islam is that it is final; ultimately wants to be the last religion.
Mohammed Hijab never more clearly demonstrates then he does here just how intellectually marginalized he is , just listen to him in the background chattering like a bird while Jordan is trying to talk to him. You can tell Mohammed Hijab is not really listening he is just waiting to insert his counter narrative regardless if Jordans words undermine Mohammed Hijabs fixed narrative. That's why at timestamp 7:45 Jordan cleverly snaps Mohammed Hijab out of his frantic need to talk over everyone in the room and says hey Mohammed Hijab I can see and hear you are not even hearing me speak to you wake up, shut you minds mouth off, and for once in your life try to hear another persons words entering your head. Mohammed Hijab is not worthy of Jordans time and tolerance, he is too fueled with hatred.
@@jstone5239 Well an Islamist is by definition an ideological actor. I don't trust any ideology on their face.
But there are MUSLIMS out there who are willing to talk, and willing to listen. And there must be a few, just a few, who are able and willing to help join our two "worlds" together in peace.
But to your point, it does seem like those in charge of Muslim societies are not those people.
Muhammad Hijab’s entire career is literally based on showed the logic and reasoning behind Islamic philosophy while pointing out all of the faults in Christian trinitarianism
He is saying a trinity makes no sense while a monotheistic model does. Where is his hypocrisy exactly?
When I pray I pray to God, who is my father. I can feel Him even though He isn’t speaking directly to me in the way that my parents speak with me. Jesus Christ is God’s son. In the Bible it’s recorded that God spoke of Jesus Christ, God’s son, in whom “I am well pleased.” These are two distinct and separate individuals and I can feel that.
So, we keep learning and growing. We need to be patient with one another because there are so many beliefs out there. One day we’re going to see it all for ourselves &, like the disciple Thomas, we’ll have our proof. Until then, we walk by faith.
So if you believe in God and God alone and don't believe God is Jesus then you are a Muslim
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
The mystery of God is that He hides in plain sight, insomuch that we miss Him because of how simple He presents Himself.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
While St Augustine was working on his book "On the Trinity", he was walking by the seaside one day, meditating on the difficult problem of how God could be three Persons at once. He came upon a little child. The child had dug a little hole in the sand, and with a small spoon or seashell was scooping water from the sea into the small hole. Augustine watched him for a while and finally asked the child what he was doing. The child answered that he would scoop all the water from the sea and pour it into the little hole in the sand. ‘What?’ Augustine said. ‘That is impossible. Obviously, the sea is too large and the hole too small.’ ‘Indeed,’ said the child, ‘but I will sooner draw all the water from the sea and empty it into this hole than you will succeed in penetrating the mystery of the Holy Trinity with your limited understanding.’ Augustine turned away in amazement and when he looked back the child had disappeared.
Fiction
@@imohudohiniekpo488 محمد خيال
Good point. Excellent, in fact! God transcends us, but men do not seem to comprehend that, which is the very proof of their limitations...
That probably never happened
You got that from Sadhguru but swapped Aristotle and Heraclitus...
I don't understand why non Christians find the Trinity confusing or contradicting. The Trinity is God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (or even Mother in Gnostic scriptures). They are One in the same. They are not separate gods they are God in One. Now, the simple conception to explain the Trinity is: water. Water has 3 forms (ok maybe there's a
4th and 5th form but let's not complicate it) solid, gas, and liquid. So they have different forms, but at the end of the day it's H20. Still water.
Maybe that's a poor explanation, but I find the Trinity adds depth to the nature of God not contradictory.
One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, 'Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
- Mark 12:28-31
Mimi hijabi is never too far away from lily dawah...the faxt he says liky dawah has IQ of 120 when infact he loses every debate he is ever in.
I guess He was just kidding when He stated, ‘I and the Father are One’. 😂
Perhaps similar to how a man And wife become one flesh. They are separate, but together and working for a common goal
God cannot be limited by any of us. God is far beyond our intelligence, our understanding (our limited minds), and our comfort zones. God is beyond us. So when mysteries, such as the Trinity are shared with us, some of us balk at it. We want to understand it all!!! And when we can't, we conclude it's simply not true. If we didn't deny it, we'd have to accept there is a limit to us, to our intelligence. That's an ego-buster.
You heard him say that huh?
@@banthamnobilis8147 correct, and he tells us to pray to the Father not to him
THAT text, at John 10:30, is often cited to support the Trinity, even though no third person is mentioned there. But Jesus himself showed what he meant by his being “one” with the Father. At John 17:21, 22, he prayed to God that his disciples “may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, . . . that they may be one just as we are one.” Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become a single entity? No, obviously Jesus was praying that they would be united in thought and purpose, as he and God were.-See also 1 Corinthians 1:10.
At 1 Corinthians 3:6, 8, Paul says: “I planted, Apollos watered . . . He that plants and he that waters are one.” Paul did not mean that he and Apollos were two persons in one; he meant that they were unified in purpose. The Greek word that Paul used here for “one” (hen) is neuter, literally “one (thing),” indicating oneness in cooperation. It is the same word that Jesus used at John 10:30 to describe his relationship with his Father. It is also the same word that Jesus used at John 17:21, 22. So when he used the word “one” (hen) in these cases, he was talking about unity of thought and purpose.
Regarding John 10:30, John Calvin (who was a Trinitarian) said in the book Commentary on the Gospel According to John: “The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is . . . of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father.”
Right in the context of the verses after John 10:30, Jesus forcefully argued that his words were not a claim to be God. He asked the Jews who wrongly drew that conclusion and wanted to stone him: “Why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, ‘I am God’s son’?” (John 10:31-36, NE) No, Jesus claimed that he was, not God the Son, but the Son of God.
Great job Jordan. You intercepted the direction of conversation so that it produced fruit for both. This is an amazing and difficult task honed only through uncomfortable experiences.
Anti fragile!
It's called being untrue to yourself and dodging a logical question when it forces you to question your beliefs.
Head in the sand technique
JESUS CONFESSED IN BIBLE THAT HE IS NOT GOD *******.
1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6)
2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 )
3- No one is "Good" including Jesus. Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19)
4- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32)
5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD " (Mark 12:29 )
6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD" (John 20:17)
7- Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew 26:39)
8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days(Mat1:4), while GOD Almighty can not be tempted (Jacob 1:13)
9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40)
10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19)
11- No one can see god (1 John 4:20) but people saw Jesus
12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12)
13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by god (Matthew 21:10-11)
14- God Declare Himself to be God, Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20)
15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice (Mark 1:38)
16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13)
Jesus refered himseld as
17- Servant:
Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16
18- Prophet:
Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40
19- Son of Man:
Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27
20- Slave:
John 13:16, Matthew 10:24
21- Student:
Matthew 10:24
22- Father is Grater than Jesus (John 14:28) How can someone can be greater than God?
23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28)
24- Jesus can do nothing by himself (John 5:19, John 5:30)
25- Jesus does not even has his own doctrine (John 7:16)
26- Jesus ascend to his God (John 20:17)
27- According to Christian Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible says that God is infinite Pslam 102:27-27
28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient Psalm 50:12
29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12)
30- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:8)
31- Jesus could not save anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8)
32- Jesus said he was send to lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)
⚫ The Trinity is pagan from pagan in origin
⚫ The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor original with, Christianity. It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at least two centuries BC, and has been prominent in many Eastern religions ever since.
⚫ The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils (Western and Eastern churches) brought the Trinity doctrine into Christianity. This occurred before there was a final split between the two over authority. Even those who voted the idea into Roman Catholic dogma declared it was a mystery that had to be accepted by faith. The theologians that wrote the Catholic Encyclopedia admit that there is no Old Testament indication of a triune God, and very little in the New Testament that can be construed that way. They also admit that it was a product of tradition that evolved over four centuries. The RCC gives equal credence to tradition and scripture. In this case tradition is almost the whole criteria for this dogma, aside from a few scriptures that are wrenched out of context and misinterpreted, trying to give the idea legitimacy.
⚫ The evolution of this doctrine within Christianity began with The Apostle’s Creed, progressed to the Nicene Creed, and finally culminated in the Athanasian Creed. Click on the links below to read more about them.
⚫ The Apostle’s Creed which was not written by the Apostles at all, but by the RCC. While this simple statement of faith had nothing to say about a Trinity, or even hint that Jesus was God, it laid the groundwork for further expansion, and was modified several times over the years.
⚫ The Nicene Creed established in 325 AD, was the next step. At the insistence of the Roman emperor, Constantine, and for the purpose of establishing unity between Christianity and Pagan beliefs, Jesus was declared to be coequal, coeternal, and consubstantial with God. This established, Constantine made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire. Before Constantine’s rule the Christians suffered much persecution at the hands of Rome.
⚫ The Athanasian Creed espouses the Trinitarian concepts of Athanasius, a fourth century theologian. The time of its original writing is not known, nor is its author. Most historians agree that it was probably composed in the fifth century, though some claim it may have been as late as the ninth century. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia is vague about its origin.
⚫ The Christian Church’s roots were originally from Judaism, which was, and still is, a monotheistic (One-God) religion. There is no belief in a polytheistic (Plural) God in the Old Testament. On the contrary, OT scriptures declare the singleness of God.
⚫ (Isa. 43:10).
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
⚫ (Isa. 45:18):
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
⚫ The Nicene and Athenian creeds are in direct denial of these scriptures as well as many others. First, they had to declare that Jesus was God, and that he was eternal-which also contradicts scripture.
⚫ (Num. 23:19):
God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
⚫ Jesus was a man; and he referred to himself as the Son of Man many times.
⚫ (Psa. 2:7) :
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
⚫ Jesus was begotten, (born) at a point in time, according to the Jewish prophecies. The Athanasian Creed also states that Jesus was God incarnated. This contradicts scripture also, because God does not change.
⚫(Mal. 3:6)
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
⚫ If there is no scriptural basis for the doctrine of a triune God, then from whence did this idea come?
⚫ Rome, the seat of emperors for the Roman Empire and the power base of political popes, was heavily influenced by the philosophy and paganism of the former Grecian Empire, which took in much more territory than the Roman Empire ever achieved. Greek literature, sociology, religion, and superstitions played a great part in the formation of Roman government, philosophy, and religion. Therefore, it is no wonder that the Romans incorporated much of their custom and culture into Christianity, just as the Jewish believers did in Jerusalem.
⚫ When the Apostle Paul was in Athens he observed, among the worshippers of many pagan gods, an altar to the Unknown God. He took advantage of their superstitions to preach to them of the one true God. Among these people were Epicureans and Stoics philosophers who were amazed at Paul’s preaching of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
⚫ Up until the rule of Emperor Constantine, the Christians of the Roman Empire were persecuted. Constantine, however, in the early fourth century saw a chance to help restore the former glory of the Empire by bringing about religious unity. In exchange for the cooperation of the Roman Christian Bishops he made Christianity the official state religion. However, this came at great cost to the true gospel of Jesus Christ. From this time forward Christianity became a mixture of the Christian faith and Paganism.
⚫ One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. We find this among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism.
⚫ Church history shows a gradual assimilation of Pagan ideas into Christianity, brought about mostly by the Roman or Western Church, which became a political/religious extension of the Roman Empire. Foremost among the pagan ideas was the adoption of the trinity doctrine into the dogma of the church. Pagan holidays (holy days) were also incorporated into tradition by “Christianizing” them, thus we end up with Christmas being celebrated on Dec 25th; Easter, which combined the resurrection of Christ with the pagan goddess Ester, and Halloween combined with All Saint’s Day.
⚫ In time, the political power of the Roman Popes and the wealth they controlled exceeded that of the Emperors, and the Church became a Monarchy with power over kings and nations. Religious tolerance went out the door, and the Church embarked on crusades and inquisitions to purge out by ex-communication, torture, war, and murder, all those who disagreed with official Church doctrine or resisted the authority of the Pope. Christ-like behavior became a thing of the past, and Jesus’ teachings neglected and changed.
⚫ The Reformation, brought about by Martin Luther, threw off the yoke of the Papists and declared justification by faith instead of salvation by obeying the Roman church. However, the Pagan doctrines and traditions of Catholicism carried over into Protestantism and remain intact to this day.
⚫ The Trinity doctrine was by no means adopted unanimously by church leaders of the day. Bitter battles ensued, and three versions of the trinity debated, as well as the non trinity belief, until the present one was adopted. It was a vote of men that established it, not revelation from God or scriptures. Christianity had rejected the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and replaced Him with a Pagan invention.
@@nikitaafrin6282John 10:30, lol
I often feel for Jordan. Imagine being one of the most intelligent people on the planet and constantly having to debate the dumbest.
So a man being a vod makes sense
Banana is a buggati too. Hooray. Yay we make sense
ARE YOU STUPID????
Erm you want to re check that we as muslims know more about the bible then you claim to know, yet we provide facts from your bible which can clearly tell you jesus was not divine
@@mohammedsabeel50 And we as Christians understand the quran more than Muslims. It's funny when we always have to correct Muslims on Hadith's & Scriptural interpretation. Dawah seems to be more complicated to y'all than it is to us which is honestly concerning.
Which world r u living man 😂 70-80% Christian dont even know their bible. They dont read their own scripture. And you are telling that Christians correcting us on hadith! 😂
Which world r u from 😂@@JustForwebs
And by the way,I m glad and I would say it’s a good beginning for this wise man he recognize Jesus as Mesiah👍
I like the part where he replied to his arguments
Lol
Look what Jesus really said to Christians
Quran 5:72
And surely they disbelieved when they said: ‘Christ, the son of Mary, is indeed God’; whereas Christ had said: ‘Children of Israel! Serve Allah, Who is your Lord and my Lord.’ Allah has forbidden Paradise to those who associate anything with Him in His divinity and their refuge shall be the Fire. No one will be able to help such wrong-doers.
*JESUS IS NOT GOD*
*JESUS IS NOT A SON OF GOD*
*JESUS WAS NEVER SACRIFICED OR KILLED*
Quran 4:157
and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.
How to accept Islam?
You have to believe that there is only one God, Allah, who created the entire universe, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his final messenger on earth. If you say no god but allah and Muhammad(pboh) is his final messenger with total sincerity, you have become a Muslim. It really is as simple as that
And if you can’t bcz your family members
Then Be Muslim in secret and don’t tell any one
@@ShankszI’m sorry but you’re lying to yourself at this point. The Old Testament of the bible was written over a span of 2,000 years by many different disciples. Many disciples did not know of the other disciples when writing the bible. Over the estimate of 2,000, all of the disciples stories, messages, and prophecy’s have come true, and we aren’t even talking about the New Testament. Not only that, explorers have literally found pieces of Noah’s arc, the staff position of Moses parting the seas, and more. The proof of the Holy God being real and the bible being real far exceeds anything I’ve seen from Islam. So let me ask you, what PROOF do you have of your ‘God’ being real? What evidence has been found for your religion?
And let’s not forget the fact that the Bible came hundreds of years before the Quran. Please seek Jesus, He loves you and He died for you. Jesus is the bridge between us and God. Amen 🙏
@@MrChrisMcLean
Is the lord sends another god
Or messenger to guide people?
How can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29
Jesus said
"Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one
Lord." The words "our God" indicate that
Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger
God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God".
He said "our God" which includes Jesus as
the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for
GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34?
Luke 23:34 " Then said Jesus, Father, forgive
them; for they know not what they do. And
they parted his raiment, and cast lots."
If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says
"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a
loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
which means, "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?"
If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1
Corinthians 8:6
"yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through
whom we VAclive."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17
Jesus said
"Do not hold on to me, forl have not yet
returned to the Father. Go instead to my
brothers and tell them, 'l am returning to my
Father and your Father, to my God and your
God. '"
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28
Jesus said
"I do nothing of myself" ? Can't GOD do
anything he wills?
John 8:28 " Then said Jesus unto them, When
ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye
know that I am he, and that I do nothing of
myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I
speak these things."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28
Jesus said
"My Father (GOD) is greater than "?
John 14:28 " Ye have heard how I said unto
you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye
loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I
go unto the Father: for my Father is greater
than |."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46
Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I
commend my spirit"?
Luke 23:46 " And when Jesus had cried with
a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I
commend my spirit: and having said thus, he
gave up the ghost."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18
Jesus said
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me
good? No one is good but God alone"?
Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD
Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me
good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good
except God alone."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39
Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him
and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in
another words) before Jesus goes through
the pain of crucifixion?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he
didn't reply when he was asked about the
truth?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36
Jesus said
"No one knows about that day or hour, not
even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father." Jesus told his followers that
no one (including Jesus) knows when the
judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
•.....
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3
GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in
Jesus? Also see GOD's Spirit in the many
others beside Jesus.
(And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon
him) Isaiah 11:2
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on
the right hand of God.
Mark 16:19
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31
Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus)
bears witness of himself, then his record is
not true?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30
Jesus told his followers that he can't do a
single thing of his own initiative?
John 5:30 " I can of mine own self do nothing:
as I hear, Ijudge: and my judgment is just;
because l seek not mine own will, but the will
of the Father which hath sent me."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38
Jesus said that GOD had assigned him
(Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:37
Jesus told his followers that they have never
seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his
voice?
John 5:37 " And the Father himself, which
hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye
have neither heard his voice at any time, nor
seen his shape"
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his
GOD in Luke 5:16?
Luke 5:16 "And he withdrew himself into the
wilderness, and prayed."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39
Jesus fel on his face and prayed to his GOD?
Matthew 26:39 "And he went a little further,
and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my
Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from
me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew
5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him
and give him mercy by saving him from
death?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18
he said
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One
and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has
made HIM known." Where do you see Trinity
in this Verse?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John
5:37 he said
"And the FATHER who sent me has himself
testified concerning me. You have never heard
HIS voice nor seen HIS form," Jesus and the
GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but
never heard GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 17:3 he
said " And this is life eternal, that they might
know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they
know you, the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom you have sent.)
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:40 he
said " But now ye seek to kill me, a man that
hath told you the truth, which I have heard of
God: this did not Abraham."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Numbers
23:19 he said (GOD is not a man neither the
Son of man)
" God is not a man, that he should lie; neither
the son of man, that he should repent: hath he
said, and shall he not do it? or hath he
spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 17:25 he
said ( and these have known that thou hast
sent me.)
"O righteous Father, the world hath not
known thee: but I have known thee, and these
have known that thou hast sent me"
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 15:24
he said
“ But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Thank you, Dr. JP.
Jordan is so precious ❤️God bless his soul.
K but the timing of the transition to the Hallow app ad had me laughing 😂
If we're to understand a being that created man, we can't judge it based on our own humanity and rationalism, and that is the mistake we make. We have to drop the intellect that man so praises, if we must grasp the universe, we need to let that God guide us
@@cthulhucrews6602 people always like getting the conclusion to this, and I really don’t know why, my whole point is that you shouldn’t listen to people speaking with just intellect, this is just something that comes from not believing that we can access the spiritual and actually communicate with God. We’re so physical conscious alone that every argument must end with “don’t think let them tell you what to DO”, it’s always about that, I don’t believe in dogmatic followership
" We have to drop the intellect..." - blind faith subscriber
@@idhamzaharudie use intellect to prove what made intellect or better still use intellect to prove what existed before intellect, that's a smart thing to do i guess, let's see how far that has gotten you, the universe existed 13.6 billion years ago or is it 15 billion, ok before then?, well that's long enough to say forever, to me that doesn't matter, it could be a trillion years there's still a beginning. Ok, it was the big bang, ok before then?, well time didn't exist.
Ok maybe you are catching on there has to be a time when time as we know it did not exist, and as a Christian we say God is He who existed before time, now if we got to that point with intellect can we say we will understand what was before the earth with intellect which came along with time, before there was anything, i think not.
@@samuelabah2460 if that "God" guide us by saying that God is a flamingo who's swimming in concrete, would you not use you mind to rationalize and reason? Or you would just believe in it? The point was, saying "we can't understand god, hence, just believe in it." is an irrational thing to do
I'm not an atheist btw
@@idhamzaharudie i get you, all I'm saying is there's a limit the human intellect can get to in understanding God, He uses the foolish to confound the wise
"For in him all the fullness of the 👉Godhead dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9
"Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: 👉God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory." - 1 Timothy 3:16
"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, 👉"God with us." - Matthew 1:23
'"If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him." Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus said to him, 👉"Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?"' - John 14:7-9
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day. He saw it, and was glad." The Jews therefore said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, 👉before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:56-58
"looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great 👉God and Savior, Jesus Christ." - Titus 2:13
'"I and the Father are one." Therefore Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me?" The Jews answered him, "We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, 👉make yourself God.' - John 10:30-33
"Of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, 👉who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen." - Romans 9:5
'Thomas answered him, 👉"My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."' - John 20:28-29
"Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 👉I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." - Revelation 22:12-13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and 👉the Word was God." - John 1
👉"The Word became flesh, and lived among us..." - John 14
"He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him." - John 1:10
"For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, 👉Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. 👉I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' - Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77
"His Son is the radiance of his glory, 👉the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power... " - Hebrews 1:3
”Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of 👉God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. And being found in human form..." - Philippians 2:5-8
'Seeing their faith, he said to him, "Man, your sins are forgiven you." The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? 👉Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"' - Luke 5:20-21
'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. 👉I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."' - Revelation 1:17-18
🙌🛐Jesus received worship:
"Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him." - Matthew 2:2
"They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him..." - Matthew 2:11
"When they got up into the boat, the wind ceased. Those who were in the boat came and worshiped him... " - Matthew 14:32-33
"... They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." - Matthew 28:9
"He said, "Lord, I believe!" and he worshiped him.' - John 9:38
..."Let all the angels of God worship him." - Hebrews 1:6
⚠️Now compare this to when people tried to worship people or even angels:
📌'I fell down before his feet to worship him [the angel]. 👉He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."' - Revelation 19:10
'Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. He said to me, 👉"See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."' - Revelation 22:8-9
'When it happened that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, 👉fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, 👉"Stand up! I myself am also a man."' - Acts 25:26 [And in Acts 14:8-18, St. Paul rejects worship]
👉And finally, from the mouth of YAHWEH (God) Himself:
⚠️"I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me whom they have pierced..." 🔨✝️📌[Understand WHO is speaking here!] - Zachariah 12:10 💜
Read ‘Elpis Israel’ by Dr. John Thomas or ‘Christendom Astray’ by Robert Roberts. Great commentaries on the Bible and some of those nuances that they discussed here. God bless as we await the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
From "Terrorism has no Religion" to
"All Terrorists being from a Single Religion"
We All Grew Up
And Russian called Ukrainian as terrorist 😂
When will you guys understand that just because you only call muslim terrorists as terrorists doesnt mean all terrorists are muslim
Last time i checked the biggest terrorists were those bombing entire nations, killing millions of innocents in the proccess and literally arraging coups to overthrow the governments in a foreign land while giving finacnial support to small terrorist groups.
Yes, this is the West. To be so brainwashed to not know this says a lot about the West itself.
The Israelites were terrorists for thousands of years in the Bible, lol
and you are from kerala and living in UAE why did they not kill you
That Hallow app ad was timely
The traditional Christian teaching that God is three persons in one God, and even more to call the three persons "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" has led to some of the confusion we see today. This starts, like all the great Christian misrenderings not clarified and not explained, from the overwhelming dominance of the "Catholic matrix". The concept of the Trinity was created by gentiles who could not understand the Jewish mentality (Jesus himself, the apostles, the authors of the New Testament and many of the early Christians were of Jewish origin, not to be forgotten).
If someone asks is Jesus God? Obviously, such a question cannot be answered directly with a yes or no. First: does the question refer to whether Jesus is the only God who created everything? Or if Jesus is God for us Christians?
And here comes the answer: to understand this, it is the same as considering when someone speaks and you hear his voice and you know it is your friend "Nelson", is the voice Nelson? or does it have distinctive qualities of Nelson? Obviously the voice itself is not Nelson, but comes from him and therefore has all his attributes, and his identity. With God and Jesus it is the same: Jesus is the word of God (John 1:1), and therefore has all the attributes and all the identity of God, but the God who created everything and who is unique is God, which is where Jesus came from; that is why Jesus is also the only begotten Son of God. So answering the questions "Is Jesus that one God who created everything?" no, "Is Jesus God to Christians?" Yes and obviously yes, since He comes from God and is the expression of God Himself, He is the way to Him and has His authority; therefore for us Christians Jesus is God. So also with so many passages of the Old Testament in which God speaks and says that He is going to do this or that, and then that same thing is fulfilled in Jesus in the New Testament. It was the voice of God speaking, which is Jesus.
Something similar occurs with the Holy Spirit: when God created the first man, Adam, and breathed into him the breath of life (which was not yet the Holy Spirit of God, but serves as an explanation), that breath of life that God breathed in Adam, was it God? no, but coming from God he had the qualities of God and the identity of God; Well, the same thing happens with the Holy Spirit: that Holy Spirit given to Christians, is it by itself that God who created everything? no; for us Christians, is that Holy Spirit God? Yes, since it comes from God, it has the identity of God, and it is part of God.
But of course instead of explaining all this as they should, no, the Catholic Church directly and wildly said "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit",
NO, things need to be explained. As from a teacher to his student, that is what it means to be a church, according to 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 (meaning that men did ask and the pastor or presbyter taught; it was in each Christian family home: Romans 16:5; 1 Corinthians 16:19; Colossians 4:15; Philemon 2).
In a few words: the Son of God, Word of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are both direct representatives of God who share in the divine essence, although not being God himself. But because of that, the two are like God for us Christians.
Note: 1 John 5:7 was not in the original New Testament manuscripts, it was added later:
"For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"
That can be found in a Google search that was like this. It is held by all theologians and biblical scholars.
The commandment by Jesus: "Go to all the world and reach to every creature baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit is only based on what was explained before. He was assuring his apostles that He, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the 2 who have God's essence and are, therefore, direct representatives of God. Also to keep in mind, and as I always say it is necessary to consider the culture in
Therefore, we Christians DO BELIEVE IN 1 GOD.
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"Rationality should be subordinated to something above it" - This is a brilliant quote. This is true not only for a good Christian, but a good Muslim also. As much as I respect Hijab, he's doing a disservice to Islam here, he's actively trying to exploit the gap of understanding, make it larger to show that he's on the right side. Applying the rationality arguement to a debate about religious doctrine is actually irrational. That arguement all about ego, you achieve nothing with that, even if your goal is not to find a common ground, but to "convert", that's still the wrong move.
It is bc all logic intellect and that ends in paradox. Life is a paradox.
I'm not sure about hierarchy of religion vs rationale. Both have their place to coexist in respective domains.
All Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.✝️
three gods
Where are they mentioned in the Bible?
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@@mrgr Matthew 28:19
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Faith is a quality and attribute of the heart, and is a gift of grace from God. It is received through transmission, not intellectual debate. I have always found you to be sincere in the quest for truth, Dr. Peterson. I hope you will continue to discuss with Muslims with an open heart, ideally those with spiritual root and depth.
Ego is embarrassing 😂😂😂
Lovely post. I do love Jordan Peterson , his bravery impresses me immensely . You may find the following interesting.
Adam, Noah ,Moses , Abraham, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mohammed, Baha'u'llah are ALL MANIFESTATIONS from GOD . The process is called PROGRESSIVE REVELATION , and it is completely logical. And this Progressive Revelation will continue through out Human existence. What happens time and time again is the Human ego and materialistic approach always ends up trying to make an individual manifestation from GOD into the most important , and various approaches have been taken to ATTEMPT to achieve this objective , and all these attempts infect, corrupt , twist and weaken the beautiful and vital guidance given to us. But NOW those with wisdom , and good hearts and souls from VERY NATION and EVERY CREED are moving towards a BEAUTIFUL point of UNITY [Unity in Diversity] , this is GODS plan for humanities future.