Own one, used it yesterday on a 5 1/2 hour long live stream. Absolute dream of a camera that just works. If you are middle aged and grumpy and grew up with a PD150 you are going to want one.
I own an FX 6, two Canon C200s, C300 MKII, three Fuji X-T3s and half a dozen BMD Micro G2s for our podcast. Before there were DSLRs, I owned several camcorders, EX1, HPX170, HVX200, DVX100. I've owned a LOT of cameras in my career and camcorders are a great tool to have in your camera locker. For shooting long distance sports like surfing, wind sailing, motorsports, airshows, a camera like the FX6 is a nightmare. A Z200 with a huge range servo zoom in a small, self-contained package is absolutely perfect for run & gun documentary, event coverage, shooting in war zones, shooting action sports. They are for when you don't have time to mess with Frankenrigs and just need to take it out of the bag, turn it on and shoot, no lens changes, they are great on batteries and they just work, instantly. In comparison, cine cameras are much more fussy and finicky because you need a whole gear shop worth of accessories to make them functional as you do for mirrorless cameras also. The people wishing it was S35 are missing the whole point. How large, heavy and expensive would it be to build a S35 camcorder with a 24-480mm servo zoom lens? Camcorders aren't for low light. It's going to have less detail than an FX6, but it is so useful. I am picking up an FX3 to go with my FX6 but after that, i will likely pick up the Z200, great tool for under $4k, It really is true, everything does run on a cycle, its kind of hilarious that to young shooters, a camcorder is like some sort of oracle from a far away planet. These are what we were all shooting with in the early 2000s and lots of great television and films were made with them. Modern digital cinema cameras are amazing, for cinema, but for a lot of other types of shooting, cinema cameras are a PITA and the wrong tool. Amazing how many people don't get that. Thanks Sony for putting out what looks to be a great camcorder at an amazing price if you break down all of the features. These cameras are proof that trying to shoot everything, every type of assignment or shoot with a cinema cameras is a recipe for frustration when tools like the Z200 can do certain assignments so much better. If you never shoot any of those assignments, simple, don't get one, stick with your FX6. But choice is a beautiful thing.
YEP!!! I loved my XL1 back in the day and I also have lots of cameras...from XF300 to FX6 etc and for live events a pro camcorder is the right tool...these people on the video were barely containing their laughs looking at the camcorders...didnt know what to make of them it seems and they didn't use them properly-I'm sure that in the hands of professionals those camcorders would look great for live events-I wont make a movie with them! I just wish Sony had left 3 rings on the body...gosh...but I will wait for reviews soon I hope...thanks for your input...a voice of reason finally!
@@sixofsix yep...just like guys pimping their cars! but I guess someone may need all that stuff attached. I like my FX30 and FX6 to be almost naked! Maybe a monitor if I'm doing interviews...a camcorder like this Sony might also be good for run and gun interviews...I can't wait for real reviews!
@@TheFandangovideoguy exactly, Ive never understood spending your money for a compact camera then spending even more money converting it into an FX6 form factor. When you coulda just bought an FX6 to begin with.
SLOG3, XLR (4 Channels of Audio), 10 Bit color, internal NDs, stabilization, Wifi Control, Dual Card Slots, auto framing, and a 24mm-480mm lens. HOLY CRAP.
Well, for this camera's intended purpose (corrporate/weddings/music videos) the 1 inch sensor is actually ideal. It gives the user the flexibility of being able to move around and switch up shots instantly without really worrying if the focus is going to hold.
exactly...a tool perfect for some jobs...I need one for live events etc..I need more depth of field not less...I know low light will be a struggle. Can't wait for a proper review. I feel that these guys were told by Sony to up sell it (this is not an FX 6 at half a price pls) but they don't know how to use it properly in COMPLETE manual mode as most real live events videographers would...I can almost feel how some youtubers in this video are secretely making fun of people considering buying this camera...argh...no respect! LOL...sure I love my FX3 and FX6 til I try to keep up with a live dance performance lasting 1 hr...
UA-camrs all commenting "make it s35" obviously dont get the use case for camcorders. Sony had the fs5 and fs7 that were s35 and you were not getting that type of focal length/aperture on anything you could handhold. I mean, just look at the 28-135 f4 pz lens you have on the fx6, its nearly half the size of the Sony camcorder that reaches out to 480mm. 20x servo zooms that are quality are not something you can easily buy or easily manage on a s35 camcorder, especially trying to run around and frame shots handheld at the end of the zoom. Sony needs to invite professional journalists, eng camera people to showcase and test these types of cameras rather than UA-camrs because they dont get it.
@@kennyadvocat I remember a video years ago showing a guy take a Panasonic gh4 and use the pixel crop mode to use a b4 servo zoom. Of course it's not ergonomic at all though. The Sony z450 and z750 footage I've seen does look fantastic though. It would be cool if Sony made something akin to the old Canon XL1.
This is the comment I was looking for. Especially with equivalent pixel density, sensor size is the rocket science of cameras. Not only does the lense on a full frame camera need to be bigger, but the images processor needs to work harder, mage stabilization electronics needs to work harder, etc. Wish I didn't need to care about low-light.
That is true. This youtube folks more like sales team, rather than a proper professional. They only see products from their perspective rather than from a market, the product designed for. They don't understand the decision behind the choice. All they understand is the more expensive and bigger it is, is the better one (probably because the commission they got of it).
@@ledheavy26 Not quite relevant but I've used many 'camcorders' over the years and by far my favourite camcorder ever was the Sony VG30 with 18-200PZ lens - S35 sensor, camcorder form factor, but only HD. It was a little front heavy but definitely ticked every box & was the best of both worlds at the time. The only issue was that it only had 1 card slot.... BUT sony used to make Memory Stick cards that could be split into 2 partitions for dual recording. Good times!
This rarely, if ever, gets mentioned when the topic of camcorders come up, but a 1 inch sensor is equivalent to S16 and the same sized sensor in the OG Pocket/Micro cameras. If you look at it like that, with the added bells and whistles from the the FX6, this camcorder is basically a cinecorder... and that's pretty elfin cool. I've had the opportunity to use a Canon XA50 for the past couple of months and it's been the most fun I've had with a camera since I installed ML Raw onto my 5D3.
Ever Sony PD150/Z1/EX1 owner watching this video and rolling their eyes.. Where were all these youtubers in 2005? Its funny how things come full cycle.
@@joelawryDOP camcorders are still used in 2024, in broadcasting heavily. Folks are so hung up on "cinematic" looking, they really dont understand the power of a broadcast ready camera.
Well my nx800 will be here Monday. I don’t have kids, but I will be at the races recording shots that nobody’s cameras can reach with my dad cam. And they will not say wish it was a s35 or full frame video😂. They will be happy with the results
EVF= Dad cam style? How professional camera operators over the past 10 years allowed manufacturers to eliminate EVFs from cameras (especially cinema line of cameras) is crazy.
That comment triggered me so much lol. I absolutely hate how we've accepted knocking the evf off and having to deal with expensive add on evfs. Give me a good evf over a clunky monitor/cage anyday.
Struggled with this yesterday filming a wedding in Italy, constantly found myself wanting to pick up the A7S III instead of the FX3 just because of the vf
My contact lens prescription as well as aging eyes that can't backfocus anymore, make seeing the flippy monitor almost impossible for focusing, and I LOVE the new Sony MP+++ OLED little EVFs of late.
All the commenters trashing this camera and the sensor size simply don’t get it. I own a FS7, FX6, a7S3 and an a7IV. If you want the large sensor look, buy a large sensor camera, but physics don’t care about your feelings… It’s going to be a big camera. If you want a small, all-in-one package to shoot news, events, and documentary this is a compelling offer. If the image matches the FX6 closely enough in picture quality, use them together in a pinch. This camera solves a problem. Stop and think about it, it wasn’t very long ago that getting proper time code for multicam use was almost impossible under $10,000. I remember how professionals begged to have a smaller/cheaper option than a F3 or other Cinealta camera for multicam interviews. It was only until earlier this year that Sony announced a time code widget for the Alpha cameras. That feature plus the lens focal length with FX6 style processing isn’t something you find everywhere. Sony will sell a boatload of these… to the right customer, but not necessarily UA-camrs who drool over how Gareth Edwards filmed The Creator. 😂
The Z200 / NX800 are not made for art such as commercials or music videos. They are made for efficiency and flexibility such as videos for TV reports or news content.
in 2005, you could film just about anything with anything these days. The Z200 looks pretty good on it's own, most everyone watching this has another camera that shoots bokeh. Z200 fills all the gaps my Alpha doesn't.
I think your view of youtuber is extremely limited. This is perfect for documentary or run and gun filmmaking with one man band which is exactly what most youtubers are.
@@jackurdadyuff true except, most UA-camrs are trying to be cinematographers and it may not give them the look they are going for, even at the extreme zoom ranges. I do utilize these types of cams for games and what not though for broadcasting thanks to the SDI ports
I bought one of these for filming RC Airplanes and its amazing. Building a shoulder mounted gimbal setup currently as its hard to film fast moving planes on a tripod or smoothly at max zoom hand held. It does fit and balance on the DJI RS4 pro pretty well.
I am a hobbyist and have a Sony FDR-AX700, which is a 1" sensor, 4k-30, 12x optical / 18x clear image... my dji Pocket3 with 1" sensor does a bit better in low light night shots, but I get fine results with the AX700 and post denoising with better detail. I would LOVE to have the NX800 with the 4K-120fps and the 30x clear image for what I am doing, but wonder if they will create a "AX700" type version prosumer type version of this camera - my AX700 is a prosumer version of the Sony PXW-Z90 and Sony HXR-NX80... I paid $1895 for the AX700 while the Z90 still sells at $2799 @ B&H...and the NX80 was $2298.... if they came out with a "AX800" for around $2500-$2800 I would jump on that right now!!
It's really depressing to see a whole group of video/creative "influencers" not grasp the concept of sensor size and lens physics. Of course everyone wants a full frame senor, but there's a reason a 24-480mm f/2.8 lens doesn't exist for your FX6. It would cost as much as a Ferrari and be the size of a refrigerator. The entire reason these camcorders have "balanced" size sensors is to be able to get you that massive reach in a package that can fit in a backpack. For the types of work these kinds of cameras are used for, the functionality and flexibility beats a cinema camera any day.
What type of work? No commercial work will hire you with this camera. No weddings will.Maybe news gathering...but other than ambulance chasing, don't the locals have their own cameras?
My favorite feature is the DIRECT TO UA-cam LIVE-STREAMING with Ethernet or WiFi. This feature is on just the A7iv and a ZV camera, this feature allows you to get your voice direct to the internet without needing any computer to process the footage or any hard drives to manage the data, just shoot and stream, an incredible feature for an ENG reporter who’s in the field. The 20x optical is super impressive and if it’s dark you have Sony’s trusty clever “NightShot” which allows you to captures images in total darkness. It looks really compact, I maybe wish the top handle could be detached, but I agree with your last review friend who thought it to be compelling, I agree.
Had mine delivered two days ago and getting used of the operations and menus etc. I shoot weddings for 25+ years and have been using a X200 and am very happy with that, this camera, so far, the NX800 (don't need SDI) is looking good, I was a bit concerned that the lens stops down to 4.5 in low light at full zoom, but I need not have concerned myself because the 30db of gain that is required at that aperture does not introduce any noise atall, would I have been prepared to pay another 1K for a constant f2.8, like on my x200 and ZV1, I would say I would, but I'm not sure if it is necessary because of how low the noise is with the (sometimes) f4.5 lens on the NX800. However, there are a couple of nice touches that are on the ZV1 that are not on this 1" sensor camera and one is the "face recognition auto exposure" and also A real biggie, no "Exposure Lock" in auto exposure, this is a real biggie and a great help on the ZV1, I call it semi auto exposure. I would say that at this price point, this camera will be bought by a lot of the "Auto everything" guys, if you are listening Sony, include "AE Lock" when you update the firmware to make the backlight work (you assign this to a shortcut button) but I can't make it work, but so far it is , from what I see, a super camera and I think I will be filming my next few hundred weddings on it.
First off, great video. The Sony Kando trip looks like great fun. Secondly, the $3,200 price tag is very enticing. I’ll have to seriously consider buying this camera. Obviously, the limited DoF is a bummer. And maybe this isn’t the camera to get if you’re a wide angle lens enthusiast, but the only other downside seems to be the small-ish 1” sensor. However, maybe a denoise plugin can clean up any low light footage enough so that the footage you record can be used on paid gigs. Anyways, I’ve subbed and I’ll checkout this camera on B&H’s site.
Camcorders have always been better overall. Its just that yawll got sucked into the DSLR/Mirrorless trend. I've shot on the Sony HVRs and Canon XA10 for years, all while everyone was buying photo cameras for video for some reason. I was always confused. No NDs, No proper Audio, No video-centric button layout, No Servo Zoom for smooth zooms etc.... The small sensors never bothered me at all because I never jumped on the full frame wagon either. HOWEVER....lol I do wish these latest offerings were super35 I must admit!
I already own an FX6 but considering picking up a Z200 because it would be a better tool for at least half of my work. Big sensor camera can arguably give you nicer images. But a fixed lens camcorder is arguably an easier tool to tell a story on the shoot day, and provide better footage for your editor to work with.
Great Video! Love to get a test with a LiveU unit (yes, us broadcasting folks in streaming:-) , pair with Solo Pro or bigger units since it has a SDI for events. I could see the value for lightweight production setups. I also agree it could serve well for churches . I would like to find out if it has support for NDI / other options.
For journalism/documentary work this could be really appealing. It's also one step closer to the unicorn FX3 with internal ND(aka FX-take-our-money-Sony).
I'm so on the fence about getting one of these. What color profile did you shoot your test footage in. I'm film a wide variety of stuff from RedBull kind of action stuff to Corporate Video to Event Video and Social Content thats for UA-cam and vertical. So yea I'm asking alot but this is so tempting to get versus an FX6. Interested in seeing more interviews and short films that use this camera in well produced videos and run and gun style productions.
I love the form factor of these ENG cameras but the small sensor size and slow aperture does not make it an FX6, not by a long shot. As an event shooter, I've had to put the ENG away in favor of a DSLR with a fast prime because the light can be so crappy at events making the b-roll look terrible. Interviews ok obviously because I can light those but that's it. As some others said in the video, make it a super 35, put a better lens on it and watch it fly off the shelves. Until then, I'll stick with either a cinema cam or a DSLR.
Really exciting camera, but man the 1" inch sensor kills it for me because of the low light performance. But this would be fantastic for outdoors run and gun shoots or day time/well lit event filming.
Everyone is saying this is their favorite, until Sony releases their camera that actually replaces the FX6. I can feel how hungry we are all for new Sony cameras, and this is definitely one of the more exciting releases of the year from Sony.
@@kylemeshna I definitely think the late sony firmware says we wont get an FX3/4 update this year, but I have guessed there would be an FX6 successor or a super 35 FX6 addition that more closely competes with Komodo and C70 stuff at a lower price than the FX6. This is all completely made up in my head, but it would be cool!
One of the biggest advantage of camcorder is the ergonomics. However, these EVF on the back negate this. I don't understand why the EVF is not up where the LCD is so you can rest the camera on your shoulder the way pro camcorders were built for so long. Way too much emphasis from Sony on LCD's and way too many cameras and camcorders with a poorly placed or complete lack of EVF's.
I might consider trading in my RX10 IV for something like that but I personally like the look of the RX10 IV; it has the older color science, which isn't as good but has a look to it.
Camcorders for basic videography work are generally just a more reliable & faster tool, they just work. Record unlimited, don't overheat, large battery packs last for your entire shoot, lenses are parfocal etc The full frame gear is sexier because you can potentially do all the arty wannabe filmaker stuff, like film someone caressing over wheat in a field with uber shallow depth of field and apply a arty lut to the log/raw footage... which is great but it's mostly B-roll stuff and not the actual core stuff you get paid for. For the actual stuff most people can get work for the full frame gear is just more arkward to work with my ZV-E1 needs to be rigged out with a external battery + fan just to be able to do long form recording.
(SONY FX6) - (S35) + (some cool but not awsome features) + (insane zoom) - (bokeh) + (Good Price) = SONY Z200 NGL even if you want that FF or S35 this suits you. and I have to mention that this is THE BEST for starters.
Great review. With the 1 inch sensor, why no low-light tests? I guess its good for highschool sports videography. I think in year these will be $2500-3k. Edit: the model on B&H does not list SLOG
Cool product but I would argue that an iPhone with a gimbal is better. Want to shoot in log 4k the iPhone can do that. Want to have perfect stabilization the iPhone can do that. Only problem with the iPhone is the sensor is smaller and the zoom isn't nearly as good at keeping good quality.
WHEN I HEARD THE LAST WORDS: THIS CAMERA IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN HIM AND HIS LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM: THIS CAMCORDER IS FOR "THOSE WHO RECORD IN CHURCHES, SPORTS.... BASICALLY HE SAID: IF YOU WANT TO RECORD (NOT FILM) PROFESSIONAL VIDEO THERE YOU HAVE A PHOTO CAMERA THAT GIVES YOU THAT OPTION, THAT'S WHY MANY UA-camRS BUY PHOTOGRAPHIC CAMERAS AND LOOK LIKE MONSTERS WITH 20 THOUSAND THINGS ON TOP OF THEM AND WHEN THEY WORK BEST THEY PUT THEM IN GIMBALLS, ARGUING THAT CAMERAS GIVE BETTER DEPTH OF FIELD, OF COURSE ACCORDING TO THE LENS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IF YOU BUY A SIMPLE CAMCORDER THEN NO, BUT GREAT RECORDINGS AND TRANSMISSIONS ARE MADE WITH CAMCORDER NOT WITH CAMERAS...THE LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM HAS BEEN EXTENDED FOR THIS KIND OF PEOPLE..
I photograph a lot of all day conferences and the video guys often use cameras like this. No over heating and good enough quality to live stream the speaker onto the large screens
Why is low light always an issue?! All this great tech and we still have this issue. I guess it is one of the camera/film industries greatest pawns, to keep us spending more money.
how can this be an essentially fx6 when the sensor is completely different'it's essentially a totally different camera aimed for a different audience as well
I love that Panasonic has had this camera for YEARS but because Sony brought all the influences out, it's getting hyped up. Oh and Panasonic's is $1000 less.
@@andersistbesserIt's a nice to have feature but I agree it is something I would rarely use. I think slow-mo, like ultra shallow depth of field, is so over done these days that it just seems like cheap filler a lot of the time.
Panasonic wishes it had face tracking AF on the level of Sony. Their highest level camcorder is 4K, yet only has 3G SDI out, and the ND system is hard stops. The cameras are toys compared to this.
@@CCD-dreamcore Sure, aparature is probably variable. Like it is with most if not all all in one cams. Usable dynamic range, one would think would be the most obvious talking point when dealing with a small sensor camera ... Well, this is not journalism, it's more or less a promo piece.
"Only camera with VND and IS apart from the Burano"... ???? The Image Stabilization is in the FIXED lens... It's like putting a 28-135 on the FX6. It has nothing to do with the Burano VND and IS combination on the sensor side.
I think this camera is good compared to the old models of the same category from Sony K. But I don't think this camera is excellent compared to other cameras from other companies such as DJI. I don't know why Sony manufactures cameras like this category without caring about quality, as if it produces them without any attraction to its products. If we compare this camera with the new iPhone, there is a difference like the difference between heaven and earth.
Great review guys! So much better than people sitting in front of a microphone at a desk bigging themselves up at the expense of a new camera they haven’t even touched.
Own one, used it yesterday on a 5 1/2 hour long live stream. Absolute dream of a camera that just works. If you are middle aged and grumpy and grew up with a PD150 you are going to want one.
Team PD150 here! That was the first camera I owned. Loved it!
exactly. not one mention of live events. this is what the camera is made for. basically. forget weddings.
@@zigmarsz.7540 you can use it for weddings. It's just not gonna be cinematic, but it's style will be different. Different tools for different jobs.
@@ChrisParaynoI mainly do documentary style wedding videos… this would be killer to have as an A cam during outdoor ceremonies.
I own an FX 6, two Canon C200s, C300 MKII, three Fuji X-T3s and half a dozen BMD Micro G2s for our podcast. Before there were DSLRs, I owned several camcorders, EX1, HPX170, HVX200, DVX100. I've owned a LOT of cameras in my career and camcorders are a great tool to have in your camera locker. For shooting long distance sports like surfing, wind sailing, motorsports, airshows, a camera like the FX6 is a nightmare. A Z200 with a huge range servo zoom in a small, self-contained package is absolutely perfect for run & gun documentary, event coverage, shooting in war zones, shooting action sports. They are for when you don't have time to mess with Frankenrigs and just need to take it out of the bag, turn it on and shoot, no lens changes, they are great on batteries and they just work, instantly. In comparison, cine cameras are much more fussy and finicky because you need a whole gear shop worth of accessories to make them functional as you do for mirrorless cameras also.
The people wishing it was S35 are missing the whole point. How large, heavy and expensive would it be to build a S35 camcorder with a 24-480mm servo zoom lens? Camcorders aren't for low light. It's going to have less detail than an FX6, but it is so useful. I am picking up an FX3 to go with my FX6 but after that, i will likely pick up the Z200, great tool for under $4k, It really is true, everything does run on a cycle, its kind of hilarious that to young shooters, a camcorder is like some sort of oracle from a far away planet. These are what we were all shooting with in the early 2000s and lots of great television and films were made with them. Modern digital cinema cameras are amazing, for cinema, but for a lot of other types of shooting, cinema cameras are a PITA and the wrong tool. Amazing how many people don't get that. Thanks Sony for putting out what looks to be a great camcorder at an amazing price if you break down all of the features.
These cameras are proof that trying to shoot everything, every type of assignment or shoot with a cinema cameras is a recipe for frustration when tools like the Z200 can do certain assignments so much better. If you never shoot any of those assignments, simple, don't get one, stick with your FX6. But choice is a beautiful thing.
YEP!!! I loved my XL1 back in the day and I also have lots of cameras...from XF300 to FX6 etc and for live events a pro camcorder is the right tool...these people on the video were barely containing their laughs looking at the camcorders...didnt know what to make of them it seems and they didn't use them properly-I'm sure that in the hands of professionals those camcorders would look great for live events-I wont make a movie with them! I just wish Sony had left 3 rings on the body...gosh...but I will wait for reviews soon I hope...thanks for your input...a voice of reason finally!
@@TheFandangovideoguy XL1, DX100, PD150. Life was so easy back then..
frankenrigs are getting so played out frfr
@@sixofsix yep...just like guys pimping their cars! but I guess someone may need all that stuff attached. I like my FX30 and FX6 to be almost naked! Maybe a monitor if I'm doing interviews...a camcorder like this Sony might also be good for run and gun interviews...I can't wait for real reviews!
@@TheFandangovideoguy exactly, Ive never understood spending your money for a compact camera then spending even more money converting it into an FX6 form factor. When you coulda just bought an FX6 to begin with.
SLOG3, XLR (4 Channels of Audio), 10 Bit color, internal NDs, stabilization, Wifi Control, Dual Card Slots, auto framing, and a 24mm-480mm lens. HOLY CRAP.
And MACRO
Well, for this camera's intended purpose (corrporate/weddings/music videos) the 1 inch sensor is actually ideal. It gives the user the flexibility of being able to move around and switch up shots instantly without really worrying if the focus is going to hold.
exactly...a tool perfect for some jobs...I need one for live events etc..I need more depth of field not less...I know low light will be a struggle. Can't wait for a proper review. I feel that these guys were told by Sony to up sell it (this is not an FX 6 at half a price pls) but they don't know how to use it properly in COMPLETE manual mode as most real live events videographers would...I can almost feel how some youtubers in this video are secretely making fun of people considering buying this camera...argh...no respect! LOL...sure I love my FX3 and FX6 til I try to keep up with a live dance performance lasting 1 hr...
@@erickperdomo277They literally call it a "dad cam".
It's fun to see the younger people marvelling over what used to be normal.
UA-camrs all commenting "make it s35" obviously dont get the use case for camcorders. Sony had the fs5 and fs7 that were s35 and you were not getting that type of focal length/aperture on anything you could handhold. I mean, just look at the 28-135 f4 pz lens you have on the fx6, its nearly half the size of the Sony camcorder that reaches out to 480mm. 20x servo zooms that are quality are not something you can easily buy or easily manage on a s35 camcorder, especially trying to run around and frame shots handheld at the end of the zoom. Sony needs to invite professional journalists, eng camera people to showcase and test these types of cameras rather than UA-camrs because they dont get it.
Wish they made this in 2/3 inch. Plenty of cheap B4 lenses on ebay but no cheap small 4k bodies for them.
@@kennyadvocat I remember a video years ago showing a guy take a Panasonic gh4 and use the pixel crop mode to use a b4 servo zoom. Of course it's not ergonomic at all though. The Sony z450 and z750 footage I've seen does look fantastic though. It would be cool if Sony made something akin to the old Canon XL1.
This is the comment I was looking for. Especially with equivalent pixel density, sensor size is the rocket science of cameras. Not only does the lense on a full frame camera need to be bigger, but the images processor needs to work harder, mage stabilization electronics needs to work harder, etc.
Wish I didn't need to care about low-light.
That is true. This youtube folks more like sales team, rather than a proper professional. They only see products from their perspective rather than from a market, the product designed for. They don't understand the decision behind the choice. All they understand is the more expensive and bigger it is, is the better one (probably because the commission they got of it).
@@ledheavy26 Not quite relevant but I've used many 'camcorders' over the years and by far my favourite camcorder ever was the Sony VG30 with 18-200PZ lens - S35 sensor, camcorder form factor, but only HD. It was a little front heavy but definitely ticked every box & was the best of both worlds at the time. The only issue was that it only had 1 card slot.... BUT sony used to make Memory Stick cards that could be split into 2 partitions for dual recording. Good times!
New title: UA-cam Filmmakers Discover Camcorders in 2024!
This rarely, if ever, gets mentioned when the topic of camcorders come up, but a 1 inch sensor is equivalent to S16 and the same sized sensor in the OG Pocket/Micro cameras. If you look at it like that, with the added bells and whistles from the the FX6, this camcorder is basically a cinecorder... and that's pretty elfin cool. I've had the opportunity to use a Canon XA50 for the past couple of months and it's been the most fun I've had with a camera since I installed ML Raw onto my 5D3.
Ever Sony PD150/Z1/EX1 owner watching this video and rolling their eyes.. Where were all these youtubers in 2005? Its funny how things come full cycle.
@@joelawryDOP camcorders are still used in 2024, in broadcasting heavily. Folks are so hung up on "cinematic" looking, they really dont understand the power of a broadcast ready camera.
I hope this camera is successful cus it could be a return to camcorders! Miss those days of compact dad cams with all the bells and whistles.
Well my nx800 will be here Monday. I don’t have kids, but I will be at the races recording shots that nobody’s cameras can reach with my dad cam. And they will not say wish it was a s35 or full frame video😂. They will be happy with the results
EVF= Dad cam style? How professional camera operators over the past 10 years allowed manufacturers to eliminate EVFs from cameras (especially cinema line of cameras) is crazy.
That comment triggered me so much lol. I absolutely hate how we've accepted knocking the evf off and having to deal with expensive add on evfs. Give me a good evf over a clunky monitor/cage anyday.
Struggled with this yesterday filming a wedding in Italy, constantly found myself wanting to pick up the A7S III instead of the FX3 just because of the vf
My contact lens prescription as well as aging eyes that can't backfocus anymore, make seeing the flippy monitor almost impossible for focusing, and I LOVE the new Sony MP+++ OLED little EVFs of late.
All the commenters trashing this camera and the sensor size simply don’t get it. I own a FS7, FX6, a7S3 and an a7IV. If you want the large sensor look, buy a large sensor camera, but physics don’t care about your feelings… It’s going to be a big camera. If you want a small, all-in-one package to shoot news, events, and documentary this is a compelling offer. If the image matches the FX6 closely enough in picture quality, use them together in a pinch. This camera solves a problem.
Stop and think about it, it wasn’t very long ago that getting proper time code for multicam use was almost impossible under $10,000. I remember how professionals begged to have a smaller/cheaper option than a F3 or other Cinealta camera for multicam interviews. It was only until earlier this year that Sony announced a time code widget for the Alpha cameras. That feature plus the lens focal length with FX6 style processing isn’t something you find everywhere. Sony will sell a boatload of these… to the right customer, but not necessarily UA-camrs who drool over how Gareth Edwards filmed The Creator. 😂
Yes, they should have compared this to the Sony Z150 camcorder from 2016. Which is also 4k 1inch sensor.
I would never sacrfice zoom range for such a hit in image quality.
The Z200 / NX800 are not made for art such as commercials or music videos. They are made for efficiency and flexibility such as videos for TV reports or news content.
in 2005, you could film just about anything with anything these days. The Z200 looks pretty good on it's own, most everyone watching this has another camera that shoots bokeh. Z200 fills all the gaps my Alpha doesn't.
This isnt ment for UA-camrs. This is meant for broadcasting folks.
I think your view of youtuber is extremely limited. This is perfect for documentary or run and gun filmmaking with one man band which is exactly what most youtubers are.
@@jackurdadyuff true except, most UA-camrs are trying to be cinematographers and it may not give them the look they are going for, even at the extreme zoom ranges. I do utilize these types of cams for games and what not though for broadcasting thanks to the SDI ports
love these camcorders. no overheating, great connectivity and just works!
A7IV + NX800 + FX6 + 70-200 F/2.8GM ii + 24-105 F/4 OSS + Prime of your choice = Perfect wedding kit.
I bought one of these for filming RC Airplanes and its amazing. Building a shoulder mounted gimbal setup currently as its hard to film fast moving planes on a tripod or smoothly at max zoom hand held. It does fit and balance on the DJI RS4 pro pretty well.
I am a hobbyist and have a Sony FDR-AX700, which is a 1" sensor, 4k-30, 12x optical / 18x clear image... my dji Pocket3 with 1" sensor does a bit better in low light night shots, but I get fine results with the AX700 and post denoising with better detail. I would LOVE to have the NX800 with the 4K-120fps and the 30x clear image for what I am doing, but wonder if they will create a "AX700" type version prosumer type version of this camera - my AX700 is a prosumer version of the Sony PXW-Z90 and Sony HXR-NX80... I paid $1895 for the AX700 while the Z90 still sells at $2799 @ B&H...and the NX80 was $2298.... if they came out with a "AX800" for around $2500-$2800 I would jump on that right now!!
I’m tempted to get it simply for sports videography
Ok ok ok!!! I’m sold! It’s like stacking one brick after another on a rickety cart (my loyalty to canon) and it just imploded. I need this camera!
It's really depressing to see a whole group of video/creative "influencers" not grasp the concept of sensor size and lens physics. Of course everyone wants a full frame senor, but there's a reason a 24-480mm f/2.8 lens doesn't exist for your FX6. It would cost as much as a Ferrari and be the size of a refrigerator. The entire reason these camcorders have "balanced" size sensors is to be able to get you that massive reach in a package that can fit in a backpack. For the types of work these kinds of cameras are used for, the functionality and flexibility beats a cinema camera any day.
What type of work? No commercial work will hire you with this camera. No weddings will.Maybe news gathering...but other than ambulance chasing, don't the locals have their own cameras?
My favorite feature is the DIRECT TO UA-cam LIVE-STREAMING with Ethernet or WiFi. This feature is on just the A7iv and a ZV camera, this feature allows you to get your voice direct to the internet without needing any computer to process the footage or any hard drives to manage the data, just shoot and stream, an incredible feature for an ENG reporter who’s in the field. The 20x optical is super impressive and if it’s dark you have Sony’s trusty clever “NightShot” which allows you to captures images in total darkness.
It looks really compact, I maybe wish the top handle could be detached, but I agree with your last review friend who thought it to be compelling, I agree.
Had mine delivered two days ago and getting used of the operations and menus etc. I shoot weddings for 25+ years and have been using a X200 and am very happy with that, this camera, so far, the NX800 (don't need SDI) is looking good, I was a bit concerned that the lens stops down to 4.5 in low light at full zoom, but I need not have concerned myself because the 30db of gain that is required at that aperture does not introduce any noise atall, would I have been prepared to pay another 1K for a constant f2.8, like on my x200 and ZV1, I would say I would, but I'm not sure if it is necessary because of how low the noise is with the (sometimes) f4.5 lens on the NX800. However, there are a couple of nice touches that are on the ZV1 that are not on this 1" sensor camera and one is the "face recognition auto exposure" and also A real biggie, no "Exposure Lock" in auto exposure, this is a real biggie and a great help on the ZV1, I call it semi auto exposure. I would say that at this price point, this camera will be bought by a lot of the "Auto everything" guys, if you are listening Sony, include "AE Lock" when you update the firmware to make the backlight work (you assign this to a shortcut button) but I can't make it work, but so far it is , from what I see, a super camera and I think I will be filming my next few hundred weddings on it.
Could you share some low light footage with lots of gain? I have a Z280 and it is great in low light. The f4.5 is concerning
First off, great video. The Sony Kando trip looks like great fun.
Secondly, the $3,200 price tag is very enticing. I’ll have to seriously consider buying this camera.
Obviously, the limited DoF is a bummer. And maybe this isn’t the camera to get if you’re a wide angle lens enthusiast, but the only other downside seems to be the small-ish 1” sensor.
However, maybe a denoise plugin can clean up any low light footage enough so that the footage you record can be used on paid gigs.
Anyways, I’ve subbed and I’ll checkout this camera on B&H’s site.
It's geared towards being an Event camera
What's the dynamic range ?
Cameras like this are so much fun. I'm an FX6 owner but i still have fond memories of the Sony Z1P and Panasonic DVX100.
I was really impressed by this camera! If they make a smaller model I'm all in!
Would you choose smaller version with 1 inch sensor or same size but super 35?
@@kylemeshna Smaller and 1” if the lens was the same. If they went S35 the lens would end up being massive or severely limited in range/ Fstop.
@JesseDriftwood yeah fair point. I’d be stoked with something like a 24-135 S35
Yes, I wish this was the size of the Canon XF605, or even the XF405.
@@aldolegaI am pretty sure this is a tad smaller than the xf605 and weighs a bit less.
Camcorders have always been better overall. Its just that yawll got sucked into the DSLR/Mirrorless trend. I've shot on the Sony HVRs and Canon XA10 for years, all while everyone was buying photo cameras for video for some reason. I was always confused. No NDs, No proper Audio, No video-centric button layout, No Servo Zoom for smooth zooms etc.... The small sensors never bothered me at all because I never jumped on the full frame wagon either. HOWEVER....lol I do wish these latest offerings were super35 I must admit!
Literally just said the camera woudl be awesome for golf creators.
Hey Kyle - Can we add an Atmos Ninja to the Sony PXW Z 200 and get a 10 Bit Pro Res 422 Footage?
I already own an FX6 but considering picking up a Z200 because it would be a better tool for at least half of my work.
Big sensor camera can arguably give you nicer images. But a fixed lens camcorder is arguably an easier tool to tell a story on the shoot day, and provide better footage for your editor to work with.
This is the best documentary camera you can buy. Period.
Great Video! Love to get a test with a LiveU unit (yes, us broadcasting folks in streaming:-) , pair with Solo Pro or bigger units since it has a SDI for events. I could see the value for lightweight production setups. I also agree it could serve well for churches . I would like to find out if it has support for NDI / other options.
Seems like I might have to look into these cams
If you are in the aviation world, this camera is by far the best option especially if you are an airshow photographer/ videographer
It’s over $5K in Canada.
For journalism/documentary work this could be really appealing. It's also one step closer to the unicorn FX3 with internal ND(aka FX-take-our-money-Sony).
do this camcorder has 2 iris control? one on the lens also?
the ending part, I'm flattered hahaha! cute lol!
looks good. these types of cameras can be used for fiction features.
Portable Modern Digital S16mm camcorder with log ? Gotta be the B cam for my next doc !!!!
Surprising how many people do not see it this way.
Good things are coming back, the Z200 & NX800 are shaking dime jars
I'm so on the fence about getting one of these. What color profile did you shoot your test footage in. I'm film a wide variety of stuff from RedBull kind of action stuff to Corporate Video to Event Video and Social Content thats for UA-cam and vertical. So yea I'm asking alot but this is so tempting to get versus an FX6. Interested in seeing more interviews and short films that use this camera in well produced videos and run and gun style productions.
My only thought and comment is I NEED this camera!!!
Venue is Ritz Carlton Bacara Santa Barbara. :)
It's the ideal event/ wedding camera.
It looks like those event attendees know nothing about camcorder.
There are a spy...get hem out😂... I love this kinda of video (the spy: Anthony Gugliotta..canon spy)
I love the form factor of these ENG cameras but the small sensor size and slow aperture does not make it an FX6, not by a long shot. As an event shooter, I've had to put the ENG away in favor of a DSLR with a fast prime because the light can be so crappy at events making the b-roll look terrible. Interviews ok obviously because I can light those but that's it. As some others said in the video, make it a super 35, put a better lens on it and watch it fly off the shelves. Until then, I'll stick with either a cinema cam or a DSLR.
End made me laugh hysterically.
Glad at least one person appreciated that 😂
It's a camcorder...they have been around for decades...Panasonic stabilisation for the win...
Again, S35 and I’ll buy it immediately.
Big agree
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A 24-480mm equivalent lens for s35 would be absolutely massive and expensive.
Agreed
No you wouldn't because it would be too large and unwieldy. Even the m43 dvx200 that has a shorter focal length is much larger.
I think this is telling us what provably what the next FX6 marc 2 is gonna be..... BEAST
Really exciting camera, but man the 1" inch sensor kills it for me because of the low light performance. But this would be fantastic for outdoors run and gun shoots or day time/well lit event filming.
Everyone is saying this is their favorite, until Sony releases their camera that actually replaces the FX6. I can feel how hungry we are all for new Sony cameras, and this is definitely one of the more exciting releases of the year from Sony.
Hoping we’ll get another FX camera this year
@@kylemeshna I definitely think the late sony firmware says we wont get an FX3/4 update this year, but I have guessed there would be an FX6 successor or a super 35 FX6 addition that more closely competes with Komodo and C70 stuff at a lower price than the FX6. This is all completely made up in my head, but it would be cool!
Rumor sites suggesting maybe an fx9 update could be the next thing coming. Which will probably be great, but likely too much for most of us 😅
Is the hood removable and what is the filter size
Yes it’s removable. And 72mm front thread
Then this would make it possibly the best camcorder for filming skateboarding currently on the market
One of the biggest advantage of camcorder is the ergonomics. However, these EVF on the back negate this. I don't understand why the EVF is not up where the LCD is so you can rest the camera on your shoulder the way pro camcorders were built for so long. Way too much emphasis from Sony on LCD's and way too many cameras and camcorders with a poorly placed or complete lack of EVF's.
Gerald wasn't amused lol
Why is it so big for only a 1 inch sensor?
People discovering Camcorders in 2024 is wild.
I might consider trading in my RX10 IV for something like that but I personally like the look of the RX10 IV; it has the older color science, which isn't as good but has a look to it.
No iris control on the lens? Who designs this stuff?
There’s iris wheel right next to the lens (same style as ND wheel) and then the control wheels on the lens will be programmable
my rx10 iv has a 1in sensor and 24-600... throw a VND on the front of it and you're golden
I definitely agree that this is a camera I’d like to use in a church setting. Finally I’ve found the perfect camera!!!🎉
If it had a larger sensor, it would have to be larger and have less zoom range.
1.23x is not "basically no crop"
Camcorders for basic videography work are generally just a more reliable & faster tool, they just work. Record unlimited, don't overheat, large battery packs last for your entire shoot, lenses are parfocal etc
The full frame gear is sexier because you can potentially do all the arty wannabe filmaker stuff, like film someone caressing over wheat in a field with uber shallow depth of field and apply a arty lut to the log/raw footage... which is great but it's mostly B-roll stuff and not the actual core stuff you get paid for. For the actual stuff most people can get work for the full frame gear is just more arkward to work with my ZV-E1 needs to be rigged out with a external battery + fan just to be able to do long form recording.
So I might just put one of these on a DJI gimbal and just make it my PTZ camera
(SONY FX6) - (S35) + (some cool but not awsome features) + (insane zoom) - (bokeh) + (Good Price) = SONY Z200
NGL even if you want that FF or S35 this suits you.
and I have to mention that this is THE BEST for starters.
my dad cam wallet is trembling
I think that’s called a Costanza wallet
Great review. With the 1 inch sensor, why no low-light tests? I guess its good for highschool sports videography. I think in year these will be $2500-3k. Edit: the model on B&H does not list SLOG
Confirmed, it does have Slog3.
Cool product but I would argue that an iPhone with a gimbal is better. Want to shoot in log 4k the iPhone can do that. Want to have perfect stabilization the iPhone can do that. Only problem with the iPhone is the sensor is smaller and the zoom isn't nearly as good at keeping good quality.
WHEN I HEARD THE LAST WORDS: THIS CAMERA IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN HIM AND HIS LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM: THIS CAMCORDER IS FOR "THOSE WHO RECORD IN CHURCHES, SPORTS.... BASICALLY HE SAID: IF YOU WANT TO RECORD (NOT FILM) PROFESSIONAL VIDEO THERE YOU HAVE A PHOTO CAMERA THAT GIVES YOU THAT OPTION, THAT'S WHY MANY UA-camRS BUY PHOTOGRAPHIC CAMERAS AND LOOK LIKE MONSTERS WITH 20 THOUSAND THINGS ON TOP OF THEM AND WHEN THEY WORK BEST THEY PUT THEM IN GIMBALLS, ARGUING THAT CAMERAS GIVE BETTER DEPTH OF FIELD, OF COURSE ACCORDING TO THE LENS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IF YOU BUY A SIMPLE CAMCORDER THEN NO, BUT GREAT RECORDINGS AND TRANSMISSIONS ARE MADE WITH CAMCORDER NOT WITH CAMERAS...THE LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM HAS BEEN EXTENDED FOR THIS KIND OF PEOPLE..
This looks so fun
I photograph a lot of all day conferences and the video guys often use cameras like this. No over heating and good enough quality to live stream the speaker onto the large screens
God knows I need this camera. At least 2 or 3 of them
Lets see what the new DJI Video Camera will look like....
E.N.G. boys ! you are late at the party .....but welkom sins the 90's
Where is RX10 Mark 5 Sony??
‘This is a Ford Fiesta, it’s just like a Porsche but completely different in every way.’
Why is low light always an issue?! All this great tech and we still have this issue. I guess it is one of the camera/film industries greatest pawns, to keep us spending more money.
how can this be an essentially fx6 when the sensor is completely different'it's essentially a totally different camera aimed for a different audience as well
I love that Panasonic has had this camera for YEARS but because Sony brought all the influences out, it's getting hyped up. Oh and Panasonic's is $1000 less.
The cx350 doesn't have as good of autofocus as the Sony will but the feature set of that camera is solid. Doesn't do 4k120 though.
No one needs 4k 120. I thought i would but now that i have it i never use it@@ledheavy26
@@andersistbesserIt's a nice to have feature but I agree it is something I would rarely use. I think slow-mo, like ultra shallow depth of field, is so over done these days that it just seems like cheap filler a lot of the time.
Panasonic wishes it had face tracking AF on the level of Sony. Their highest level camcorder is 4K, yet only has 3G SDI out, and the ND system is hard stops. The cameras are toys compared to this.
I would buy it if it had the animal recognition and tracking of some of the mirrorless cameras..
It does
Really? I film Insects and butterflies and seriously suffer from my z190 auto focusing on the branch before it like so many other cameras..
Take my money 💰🤑
It’s a Sony 😅! Good option for news gathering, interviews and fast paced events.
Calling it an fx6 great Sony marketing
Por fin!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉 me gusta 😊
I smashed subscribe on the Gerald Undone cameo lol
lol love it!
Wish it would track animals and birds.
This makes me miss my canon Xha1-s
You can probably get one for cheap these days 😂
@@kylemeshna lmao can’t to back to tapes lol
Sooo, Sony made a Cannon 605/607 lol
as soon as i heard fixed lens i was out haha
But like, why am I not convinced? I find something like the Fuji XH2S more appealing and cheaper.
Because you're not the target audience.
Forgot one small little detail ... DR?
and barely mentioned aperture.
@@CCD-dreamcore Sure, aparature is probably variable. Like it is with most if not all all in one cams. Usable dynamic range, one would think would be the most obvious talking point when dealing with a small sensor camera ... Well, this is not journalism, it's more or less a promo piece.
"Only camera with VND and IS apart from the Burano"...
????
The Image Stabilization is in the FIXED lens... It's like putting a 28-135 on the FX6. It has nothing to do with the Burano VND and IS combination on the sensor side.
It is absolutely not a cut-price FX6 😂. It’s a half-baked barely incremental update on their camcorder lineup of five years ago.
I think this camera is good compared to the old models of the same category from Sony K. But I don't think this camera is excellent compared to other cameras from other companies such as DJI. I don't know why Sony manufactures cameras like this category without caring about quality, as if it produces them without any attraction to its products. If we compare this camera with the new iPhone, there is a difference like the difference between heaven and earth.
It's not marketed towards you obviously. If you're comparing this to an iPhone then you don't get it.
Great review guys! So much better than people sitting in front of a microphone at a desk bigging themselves up at the expense of a new camera they haven’t even touched.