What if Sukuna Didn't Have Mahoraga?
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Warm-up
1:15 - Sukuna Potential Win (1)
4:50 - Gojo Potential Win (1)
7:44 - Sukuna Potential Win (2)
9:15 - Gojo Potential Win (2)
10:32 - Sukuna Potential Win (3)
11:13 - Conclusion
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One thing people dont acknowledge is that Sukuna went into this fight not only with a technique perfectly suited to counter infinity but with the memories of BOTH of gojos closest students so he had the memory of Gojo holding yuji in the domain clash with jogo which is how he knew touching gojo was a condition to avoid its effect and he had the memory of Gojos conversation with Megumi talking about how a user of the 10s previously beat a user of the limitless
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Yes and ? that was literally his plan all along , when he was in yuji's body he had no choice but to observe and learn , so when he healed megu it was for this. Bro had a plan , his techniques + megu's techniques (mahorage being roughly sukuna 11-12 fingers , and nue upgraded roughly 5-6, sukuna 19 fingers and still almost lost).
@@ok-6732 well that means the "original" Heian Sukuna doesn't have the chance to slash through gojo's infinity, and can do nothing when he lose the domain battle.
@@aldiirsanmajid4235 that's literally what happened , mahoraga saved him from gojo's domain.
@aldiirsanmajid4235 when everyone is talking about who's up next Hakari mentions sukuna is the type to have something up his sleeve incase they all go in to jump him while he's fighting Gojo. I think it was his Heian form that was up his sleeve and he instant health regen otherwise what else could it be? Also sukuna would not need to get past infinity if he was in his 8ft tall 4 armed 2 mouthed Behemoth form which would pack Gojo up in 2 or less domain clashes. Plus his cursed tool which instant lightning strikes a target and the fact that if he was desperate enough he could target Yuta who has the last finger and eat it to replenish or increase his strength.
The one thing I haven't seen anyone talk about (mostly because most of the fandom isn't interested in being objective) is the fact that Gojo, upon seeing Heian Sukuna with his Six Eyes, would be able to tell whether there is a gap in there power. You don't even need Six Eyes for that, as Yuji could tell that Yuta's cursed energy was on another level than his. But, for Gojo, he'd have a more precise reading on exactly how much stronger Sukuna is than him.
Why is this important? Gojo, as far as I recall, hasn't used any binding vows to gain any advantages in any of his fights (he's always been the "strongest" and never needed them). Even Sukuna uses binding vows, like the one for his barrierless domain. With Gojo's understanding of the actual gap between him and Sukuna, this is the perfect opportunity to use a binding vow to equalize their power or get the upper hand. Could be sacrificing the power of one of his techniques or its range or requiring more cursed energy to use in order to boost any number of things that could assist him in this fight, faster casting of Domain Expansion, stronger CT, greater durability, or just flat out more cursed energy so he's not one-shottable (based on the expected difference in power).
Does ANY of this mean Gojo would win? No. It just means Sukuna has abilities we don't know about and Gojo had options he didn't use. Doesn't matter if he said "he wasn't sure if he'd win if Sukuna didn't have Ten Shadows". That was a narrative vehicle to explain that Sukuna could have won either way NOT to state that Gojo had ZERO chance to win. The reason he HAD to lose was because, if he lives, nobody else in the story is needed. Villains can't beat him and Heroes aren't on his level. Unless his win cost him all of his power (again, another possible binding vow). Suku
I think Sukuna canonically is stronger than Gojo, but I absolutely think Gojo could conceivably beat Sukuna.
Also thanks for being one of the only UA-camrs that can actually pronounce Sukuna's name correctly. It's only three syllables and six letters, wouldn't figure it would be as hard as it is made to seem.
Finally someone who didn’t decide Gojo sayin “I’m not sure I could have beaten him ” meant “omg I 100% was gonna lose that confirmed” 😂
I actually noticed that sukuna is the ONLY person who can constantly make binding vows in combat like he does. Im not saying he is the only person who knows how to make a bind vow, but he seems to have a mastery over jujutsu that allows him to constantly make them MUCH more often than any other sorcerer we have seen.
it could be that gojo simply cannot do this, not that he just didnt want to.
@@cooldes4593 Kento Nanami made the Overtime Binding Vow and Revealing One's Hand Binding Vow. I have a hard time believing that the strongest from the modern era who is also a generational prodigy can't make binding vows and Nanami can.
To your defense, Gege hasn't really explained this concept well enough, so you could be right, but, if so, that just further lends credence to those on the side that Sukuna won more so due to plot advancement than being greater than Gojo, in that, there is yet ANOTHER concept of cursed energy that none of other era's strongest sorcerers or prodigies can utilize. On the flip side (arguing for the other side), that would be a REASON that Sukuna is better.
I'm objective, so I'm open to either possibility. Could be a plot hole, could be intentional... but in either scenario, it's not explained well enough
@@AntoinneWilliams lmao reread my comment.
I clearly said he isnt the only one that uses binding vows, but he is the only person that consistently makes new ones with himself mid combat.
Nanami’s overtime binding vow is not made mid combat, its always active. It always reduces his power down to the possible 80 percent and up to the possible 120 percent. Its constantly active.
The revealing ones hand binding vow also wasn’t made by nanami, it’s something well known and used by many sorcerers. In fact, its hinted that revealing your technique will increase your output even if you dont want it to, as when jogo asked sukuna about his flame arrow, he said he wont do something so cheap (as in revealing his hand to increase the power of the arrow), so he didn’t explain it.
The only instances of times i can think of mid combat binding vows are mahito’s true form’s binding vow for increased durability, and miwa’s binding vow for increased power in her sword swing. But those were both 1 time things.
Sukuna is constantly making up new binding vows mid combat, like how he turned off his sure hit against gojo for increased output.
Once again, im not saying no one else can ise binding vows, im just saying only sukuna has a mastery over jujutsu that seemingly lets him do so many on the fly mid combat.
Gojo is the strongest for very different reasons than sukuna. Sukuna has nearly as good as gojo with his CE proficiency only because gojo has the 6 eyes. that means gojo was born with what sukuna actually has the skill to achieve. thats the difference.
Gojo was born with the six eyes and limitless. Sukuna is actually just a great sorcerer with mastery over sorcery and its concepts, and a greater understanding of it.
@@cooldes4593 I'm not sure what I have to reread. There's nothing you said that I disagree with. I actually share the exact same thought of why Gojo and Sukuna are considered the strongest. Similar titles, different reasons. I think people on the Internet just want to cause trouble whenever they can. Doesn't make sense to me to be snarky with people that agree with you. But I'm old. I come from an era where we liked to talk to each other respectfully, unless otherwise warranted.
One thing people seem to forget is Gojo’s insane ability to quickly adapt when back into a corner. For example as far as we know he was the first person ever to perform a 0.2 domain expansion. Through out the fight with Sukana he did things that have never been done before. Not tryna glazing but he is simply a battle genius, from what I can see the battle could go 50/50
Na bro is doing jumping jacks on it
Fr people assume Gojo has shown all his cards but every time he’s faced with a challenge he pulls of some crazy adaption… same way Sukuna does. Gege made it a running theme that Gojo is a genius and can do most things he puts his mind too… there’s a reason they compared higuruma’s genius to him. Same applies to Sukuna
@@Allons-Y-04 I would also like to point out that Gojo had the option of copying Sukuna and turning off the guaranteed hit effect of infinite void using a binding vow. If he did this his domain would become more durable and potentially last long enough the let him collapse Sukuna's domain at the same time his collapses giving him a possible advantage in that aspect.
@@Allons-Y-04 I also never understood the fact that Sukuna needed to use a binding vow to break through in the second domain clash and then apparently only shrunk his domain to match Gojo's even tougher domain in the third. Otherwise, if he was indeed using a binding vow in the third domain clash (which I think he would have had to), the entire 3 minutes and 9 seconds they fought inside Gojo's domain originally in the third domain clash Gojo's infinite void would have been unhindered, meaning Sukuna would have had to make contact with him that entire time to not be effected. That to me seems unbelievable. If that's the case, like I stated before, Gojo could have used a binding vow himself to turn off the guaranteed hit effect of Unlimited Void and simply beat the crap out of Sukuna until his domain broke while his would still be up. Then he could turn back on the guaranteed hit effect of Unlimited Void and finish Sukuna. Worst case scenario, assuming Sukuna only needed to shrink his domains range in order to break through Gojo's domain (even though in the previous clash he needed a binding vow to break through a weaker unshrunken inverted domain) after 3 minutes and 9 seconds, they would both have the option of using a binding vow and still end up in a draw. Either way Gojo either outlasts Sukuna or ends up in a draw. Had he used a binding vow in the second clash he would have drawn with Sukuna like he did in the third. Given that he drew with Sukuna in the third and fourth round and actually caught him in the fifth, had he used a binding vow he could have drawn with Sukuna in the second and third round and caught him with UV in the fourth. This is important cause if this happened, Mahoraga wouldn't have been an option for Sukuna. It only fully adapted to UV by the fifth around, moments before Gojo was about to start whaling on Sukuna. Had he caught Sukuna a round earlier like this, there would be nothing stopping him from utterly molly whopping Sukuna during the fourth round in the original fight.
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I think what a lot of people are conveniently choosing to ignore are the themes Gege wrote into this fight. We can see from the result that he always meant to kill off Gojo but most people are missing the way Gege did it. Gojo lost after nearly showing everything in his hand. He used red and blue at their maximum output, used purple, landed multiple black flashes, innovated application of reverse cursed technique on cursed techniques, innovated barrier condition manipulation, innovated different ways of using his technique, brother pulled out all the stops, he was in flow, he was doing everything.
Sukuna on the other hand was just fixated on the idea of evolving his technique to cut through Gojo's infinity. He didn't even get to land a black flash because he wasn't even challenged enough. He likely needs to be backed into his Heian form before he can whip out a black flash himself. Sukuna was just reacting to Gojo and keeping up with all the answers Gojo keeps coming up with. Gojo was a great fight.
He wasn't pushed?😂😂😂😂😂
@@habibsaliu6208he honestly wasnt.
@@habibsaliu6208Yeah pretty much when he was going to be at 100% again after going Heian
That's backwards Gojo was reacting to Sukuna and the plan he had to defeat him
@@diamantemrobinsonnah he’s right. There is a stat sheet or whatever u wanna call it of the fight and sukuna was basically in the defensive. Gojo threw 2x the attacks sukuna threw. Sukuna was adapting the whole fight taking away gojo’s cards 1 by 1. Gojo saying sukuna was the challenger but it’s obvious gojo was the actual challenger.
I think you kind of misunderstood how Sukuna had his domain delayed the last time.
Each draw that happened was because Gojo managed to damage Sukuna enough in order to break his domain at the same time (or just after) Sukuna broke his. However, in the last clash, Gojo managed to damage Sukuna severely enough that he needed to heal his wounds before healing his burnt out technique. It wasn’t that he was inexperienced with it, he needed to prioritise other damage first.
Yup that’s mb a few ppl have pointed that out now lol
@@Allons-Y-04 Yeah, personally, that’s one of my biggest win-cons for Sukuna.
Since the difference was like, 0.01 seconds, if Heikuna in anyway reduces that damage, then Gojo gets carved to pieces.
It really just depends on whether or not we believe that Heikuna is stronger in combat.
Honestly, I'm not trying to glaze Sukuna, but I feel like people REALLY underestimate what it means for him to have 4 arms and 2 mouths. Because it's not outright stated that Sukuna is physically enhanced in his OG form let's disregard that. While Gojo did show superior hand to hand combat skills, let's not forget that when he was 3 v 1 jumped, he had just landed a black flash, meaning he was 120% of his current state. Mahoraga and to a much greater extent, Agito, are not anywhere near Gojo's level. It would be like throwing Yuji and Hakari (pre-time skip) to jump Sukuna. Sure, it's more "pressure" but lets not act like Sukuna wouldn't instantly kill them both. Aside from Gojo being better in a 1 v 1, he did tell them not to join in for a reason.
Now back to Sukuna's OG form. Attach 2 more arms on Panda, useless. Attach 2 more arms on the King of Curses, I'd argue is a huge buff. Even if he didn't use them to fight, and instead only used them for hand signs, alongside his second mouth for chants, I genuinely believe it's more than enough of a buff to kill Gojo. Gojo was tanking MS, but even in the original fight, he could not do that forever. So i'd argue significantly stronger cleaves and dismantles, would get the job done. Or the improved hand to hand of a 4 arm Sukuna, could probably keep him in there long enough for Gojo to gas himself. And while Gojo is a beast and a genius in his own right, I don't think he can prevent Sukuna from doing so. MAYBE from the hand signs, but definitely not from the chants, which I still think would make a significant difference. Obviously UV is still a win condition, so theoretically Gojo could always win. I just don't think he'd have the opening to do so.
Very valid analysis
Perfectly said.
@@Allons-Y-04I don't really think having 4 arms and 2 mouths will prove as any advantage when it will make Gojo even more foused on his hand to hand Combat in which he is definitely better then Sukuna due to many feats with blue and Infinity. Since the key detail is that that using enchant takes time and gives 120% out put at best if someone isn't amping you like as Utahime did to Gojo not that Gojo Himself pulled a 200% on his own and most important detail is inchants doesn’t work on domina expansion since it's peak of ones cursed technics hence all slashes of sukuna was already at 120% as stated that domain amps it and if those enchants only amps it domain level attack then it wouldn't good enough to one-shot Gojo like you've mentioned as the only way for Sukuna to win is throug outlast domain clashes . Within those domain clash if Sukuna pressured Gojo enough then the Gojo will likely dish out black flashes before the last domain clash that make gojo be at 120% and A win chance to Gojo. In my opinion possiblites are 3-3 on the win of Gojo and Sukuna.
Key: Within a Domain expansion the crused technic imbued is amped up hence Sukuna's enchants won't make it surpass the domain's power since it's the peak of jujutsu itself.
How would Sukuna get "stronger" cleave & dismantle within his DE? Because outside his DE, Sukuna would not be able to bypass infinity. So, a stronger cleave & dismantle will not matter.
If you are trying to assume that with his original body, Sukuna could chant, open a DE, and have a stronger cleave & dismantle within his DE that has never been stated to be possible. That is not how chants work.
@@Tojiii I think he was talking about what Gojo said to Yuji about DEs in his fight against Jogo. That sorcerers recieve 'buffs' in their power when fighting in their own domain. I think he is suggesting Sukuna can't surpass the power of the slashes within the domain (as in the domain slashes are his limit). I think lol
I hope you sees this. I'd like to add some points for your video.
After the second DE battle, Sukuna stopped fighting back, turned off his DA inside the domain, and solely focused on adaptation, which gave Gojo the opportunity to run a train on him.
In the brief fight we are shown inside the domain, you can see Gojo using blue and red on Sukuna.
In chapter 230, Sukuna stating how he was switching between the wheel and DA for the adaptation.
In chapter 232, Sukuna first time used DA to counter Gojo's red and blue technique. After neutralizing red's damage to its minimum with DA, Gojo concluded that as expected, DA can completely neutralize infinity, but not strengthened red and blue. Implying that Sukuna used DA first time to stop the blue or red.
So, if Meguna had kept the DA on all the time and focused on counter-attacking Gojo, Gojo wouldn't have been able to damage Sukuna enough in 3 minutes to break his domain, and here we are talking about Hein-era Sukuna, who is literally glazed by the narrator itself and called perfection by Kashimo.
Thanks! A few ppl have mentioned the way he juggled his DA and CT which makes a lot of sense, mb for not clocking on but then again I make these videos to learn as much as entertain 👍
@@embraceyourinnertophat5734 the almost 10 second thing wasn't the entire fight. It was specifically in the last clash when Sukuna was exposed to UV for the first time. He was under its sure hit for almost 10 seconds
i thought he just had megumi using the wheel to adapt and even though he was using DA he was able to adapt simultaneously@@Allons-Y-04
gojo could have used purple tho, if he didn't need to worry about mahoraga adapting to that as well. Purple would drastically increase his damage
@@erwindaboss2923 sukuna can use his fire arrow or his cursed tool to lightning strike gojo
Let’s go I’ve been waiting for this
This is an enjoyable watch broski 👏
Narratively I like the idea of Sukuna being the strongest way more than Gojo being the strongest.
Sukuna is a unique existence that has never been repeated in history, everything from his abilities to his displastic, inhuman body to his mindset, while Gojo is one of the many six eyes users that have existed throughout history, he doesn't have a unique cursed technique, he doesn't have the most output, he doesn't have the most cursed energy, nor does he have the mindset of the strongest that Uro described to Yuta, something that goes beyond merely being powerful, the mindset of a calamity + the mystery surrounding his past and his cursed technique makes him way more exciting as a character
Kashimo saw both Sukuna and Gojo, but he only recognized Sukuna for his cursed energy control, likening him to a god, just as the narrator called his domain divine, the legends described him as a fierce imaginary god. Gojo may be the peak of humanity, but Sukuna is treated as something that transcends humanity.
Kashimo even pulled out his electromagnetic vision to scan Sukuna's true form, calling it utterly perfect.
Even in terms of the soul, Sukunas soul and his understanding of it surpasses everyone.
He's meant to be the ultimate sorcerer in every area, just from how he's set up.
i feel like having an even playing field in terms of knowledge is crucial
all we have ever considered is sukuna knowing everying these is to know about gojo, his ct, domain etc. while gojo only really knew that sukuna's ct cuts things
if we run the fight back, with both sides knowing the outcome of their last battle it shifts massively into gojo's favor imo
he wouldn't get into needless domain clashes, endlessly healing even if he took any damage, teleporting and wearing sukuna out
let's not forget that he can't actually run out ce
he could also spam hollow purple if gege allowed it but ou well
Great vid
Sukuna using domain amplification didn’t disrupt the adaptation because he wasn’t the one adapting megumi was and it was confirmed that megumi got hit by UV five times so Sukuna could use domain amp all he wants until he wears the wheel on his head
No, domain amplification definitely stop adaptation both sukuna and gojo said so, gojo said after tha last clash, and sukuna said while fighting higuruma, he explicitly stated, that he was being very careful in the use of DA, to not cancel the adaptation, but only to pause it.
4:07 Your question is clearly answered in ch 247 by Sukuna himself
"WHEN I ACTIVATED AMPLIFICATION IN MY FIGHT WITH GOJO SATORU I PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO ONLY PAUSE, AND NOT INVALIDATE, MAHORAGA'S ADAPTATION."
So basically while using domain amplification Sukuna can "pause" Mahoraga's adaptation so no Sukuna just wanted to adapt to Infinite Void
If you know hein sukuna physically > maguna...than how is gojo making a drew in the 2 &3 domain battle 😂.... And in the 1st domain battle after gojo domain break gojo was not able to do anything for 1min or so other than RCT cause he was incredibly low on CT.... And sukuna use that time to adopt to gojo's technique by using 10s while his domain cleave/ dismantle attack gojo... And again for gojo to break out of the 1st domain he need to injure sukuna.... But the question is a sukuna's who is physically stronger than maguna have 4 arm and a mouth which constantly keep chanting and a domain buff vs a gojo who can't do anything of 1 min except for RCT and all the low CT required technique.... Oh and you seem to forget about kamutoke it will also came in handy in domain battle
The first domain Gojo didn't escape because he hurt Sukuna, he escaped by going out of its radius. Like the shrine never was destroyed, we even get confirmation when the narrarator says Sukuna extends his radius and at the same time Gojo activates UV.
This sounds like a saving gojo video in every scenario 4 arm heian era sukuna isn't losing a H2H fight inside the DE
And that’s valid. Like I said Sukuna could probably just cleave him in half ez clap… but I have fun theorising yk
Gojo has better RCT and better hands. Heck, the only reason he survives Infinite void is thanks to Megumi's soul and Mahoraga
Heian era Sukuna has better hands. Sukuna has better rct. The fact that Gojo never put Sukuna in a situation where he needed to use rct full throttle tricks a lot of you into thinking Gojo has better rct. the same Gojo that can't even heal others.
@@khalealhenry3660 my god, you haven't read the manga
@@Marika_ER and you dont understand it
@@khalealhenry3660 what a lame comeback. Alright, name 1 time Sukuna landed a punch on Gojo. Show me how his RCT is better than Gojo's when Gojo ate malevolent shrine
@@Marika_ER and it is exactly as i said gojo did NOT put sukuna in a situation where he HAD TO use rct full throttle.
When this series end we might get more info on sukuna then we will discuss hopefully you make another one then
1)So the guy who owns the domain says it would have been easier breaking the barrier from the inside and you and Kukasabe who is basically fodder compared to him think he can't?
2) A few blows were exchanged before Gojo was done healing his brain with RCT and Sukuna was able to begin charging up and fire off the fire arrow before Mahoraga could wrap his hand around him. Add the fact he could fight with one set of hands and do the incantation with his second set and second mouth, I don't see how he isn't able to fire it off before Gojo is done charging up.
3) He wouldn't be able to "keep piling on attacks" to Sukuna because the narrator literally said his having 4 arms gives him an advantage over any sorcerer, let alone one whose CT is down and is busy RCTing his brain. He DOES only have the close quarters advantage because of blue and infinity after all and neither of them would be available here since, you know, he's just lost a domain clash. Sukuna having two more hands and a extra mouth means he just has the advantage here. He also has piercing blood which we know is fast af, even if you still want to stick to the fire arrow not being fast enough to fire off before Gojo is done healing his burnt out CT, which wouldn't make any sense.
4) Sukuna only lagged by that 0.01 seconds because he was damaged and had to heal himself first, not because he was 'unpracticed', had that been the case then Gege would have said that instead. If it was a matter of practice then it would have been the case in the 4th clash when they both healed their brains and opened their domains at the same time. This is a win con you just gifted Gojo for no logical reason.
Also, and I don't know if you noticed, all of the win cons you gave Gojo here rely on him surviving all the advantages Sukuna clearly(canonically) has : (i) You're convinced he still has the close quarters advantage in Sukuna's domain even though Sukuna now has 4 arms, a spare mouth, cursed tools, his entire arsenal(infinity is off), an open domain, and Gojo's CT is off. (ii) Sukuna can't destroy his barrier from the inside even though the guy who owns the domain thinks he can. He somehow can't locate the barrier from the inside even though his own slashes are targeting it from the outside. If the outer slashes are hitting it at 120 meters then that's where the inner slashes will target. Unless he can't tell where his ownslashes are hitting somehow? You and Kukasabe don't know more than them. (iii) Gojo just has to be able to heal before Sukuna can fire off the arrow, even though he is able to fire it off before Mahoraga can close his hand, which is a much quicker action than exchanging blows(which is the time it took before Gojo could recharge last time). Seeing the fire arrow being charged doesn't help in any way since his CT is down and the two things that give him the close quarter advantage are still off. Sukuna would just fend him off with one set of hands and blow him to shit with the remaining ones and that's if he's even able to get to him before he can shoot. It's just too much shit Gojo needs to go his way in order to have the slightest chance at winning here. Sukuna clearly wins.
Damn this is alot of. inaccurate sukuna glazing, you guys really interpret the text however you want, no matter what it says.
@@maxdavis7722 "I don't agree with you and I don't have any argument for why I don't. I just have Gojo's nuts too far up my throat." Basically
@@Steez224 you did that guy dirty 😂
@@jasonmagnes4467bruh cooked him 😭
Gojo wins because there's no Mahoraga to save him from infinite void
Kusakabe gpt got me on the floor 💀
4:33 using DA is suggested to nullify a CT, so the reason he used it (most likely imo) was to cancel out the residual effects of UV since he deactivated his sure hit.
This is further suggested by sukuna not being affected by UV, when gojo said “sukuna can amplify in a domain?”, when you notice sukuna isn’t even close to gojo when he says this (sukuna’s sure hit is already turned off).
Something I wonder is does open barrier domains technically nullify curse techniques since sukuna has a barrier with domain amplification like every other use but his domain isn’t a barrier domain so maybe the barrier part itself nullifies the techniques
Sukuna said when he was using da he stoped the process of adapting not canceling it, so he was really not trying to destroy the barrier from inside and took the challenge to bypass infinity through adapting, i think what makes sukuna winning even if he don’t have 10 shadows is because his domain is without barrier he is gonna focus on destroying gojo’s domain and he will be able to handle gojo inside cause he will be able to use da freely and not being focus on adapting and took the damage inside domain because he couldn’t use them both da and 10 shadows at the same time.
why does hiean era sukuna have a DE with much higher output than meguna? when was that said that chants increase DE outputs? Also, Fire Arrow is not murking gojo when his domain couldn't
4:07 ok so basically sakuna, the whole fight was trying to learn how gojo's infinity works. he could've easily bypassed it the first time maho adapted but he kept going cuz he didnt get it how maho adapted the first time. he wanted to replicate maho to create his own technique instead of just "bypass" it. so basically what i mean to say is that sakuna wanted to give it a shot himself before maho could start adapting cuz he was interested in gojo's techniques and wanted to LEARN them. hopefully that answers ur question.
in your first point,maybe the whole touching his pants and changing his conditions was actually fast enough gojo didnt notice also i feel sukuna would know the boundary of gojo domain ,since sukuna de can stretch even outside gojo de,he can use the sure hit to locate and attack.
They show the wheel spin in the shadows and Mahoraga comes out pre-adapted to Infinite Void and you think it doesn't make sense? No, your underlying theory that it wasn't a risk by Sukuna is what doesn't make sense. Sukuna deliberately took a harder option in order to pretend like there wasn't something fishy going on but Gojo realized there was - hence the emphasis. Every moment Sukuna is in Gojo's domain is potential for him to get stunlocked, thus any extra time he takes to shatter Gojo's barrier is a significant risk - particularly when Mahoraga is not yet adapted. Sukuna put the wheel on Megumi and was letting it adapt in the shadows. In the meantime, he took the harder of the two options to break Gojo's domain in order to stall for more time for Mahoraga to adapt. You got fooled by Sukuna's tactic and Gojo realized something was wrong. There is this emphasis throughout the entire series by Gege that sorcerers are con artists, and Sukuna, as befits his title, is one of the best.
Also the idea that Gojo can compete with Heian Era Sukuna in a straight up brawl is pretty laughable with or without blue/red. It is an assumption that pervades your entire video and is based on nothing. Gojo couldn't put Megumi Sukuna down but you think he can put damage down against 4 arm Heian "I fought all the sorcerers and still won in the best era" Sukuna down? The "I have 4 arms and 2 mouths" Sukuna who can buff his attacks with chants and hand signs? The guy who went from getting rag dolled by CT released Kashimo to rag dolling a guy whose body is straight up said to go beyond human limitations and who can fire off all sorts of attacks? The guy who never has to drop his hand signs because he can fight and use them at the same time? Like you never once mention the massive advantages Sukuna gains in his Heian form in the domain fights...despite that being the most obvious advantages he gains when transformed. In fact you take a step beyond and IGNORE THEM while declaring Gojo would come out ahead for... no reason whatsoever.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Gojo can put damage on Heian Era Sukuna in a domain brawl and that is before you get into Sukuna's trump cards.
Totally valid. I’m certain I did talk about Sukuna’s constant higher output due to his heian form… but from what I am aware there isn’t anything more to Heian form than the extra arms and mouth right? So the key advantage is his insane output increase which I talked about.
Neither of us rly have anything to base the assumption off because we never actually saw Heian Sukuna fight Gojo… I think it’s pretty 50/50 whereas I know most people think Sukuna dog walks Gojo which is completely valid.
It’s a shame we will never see it but I enjoyed the way Gege made their fight very fulfilling for their characters.
Gojo fought a 120% Meguna while was getting slashed inside Uv, I dont think Sukuna would be stronger than 120% Meguna(Helped by Shrine) in pure stats, but he gains another 2 arms and makes him stronger than 120% Meguna (helped by Cleave Surehit) but not by much as we saw Gojo can rip through peoples flesh easily(Dont think Sukuna Og body will more durable) even though Sukuna gains an advatage he dosent win easily.
@@zstroke9556 HE sukuna would be stronger than 120% meguna cus HE sukuna can still use shrine for the 120% buff💀
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I think the only thing Heian Form Sukuna needs to win is to pressure Gojo enough to delay him healing his CT for the 5th clash. And if it was 0.01s in the original timeline, that seems more than likely.
Gojo did prioritize his CT, but he also took almost no damage during the draws since Sukuna was attacking the domain while Gojo was attacking Sukuna. I don’t know that he will have so much breathing room to ignore his personal injuries.
Especially since Gojo himself didn’t know which domain was going to be his last, even though Sukuna did. I won’t say it’s 100% sure Heian Sukuna wins but it’s highly favorable given what we’ve seen.
I mean there’s even a non-zero chance that Gojo dies in the first domain clash and that is wild, in itself.
I do want to say this was an excellent video that covers things better than most on this topic. *insert “Nah, I’d win” Hakari meme here*
imagine if this mf sukuna used rct to heal his brain full throttle before infinite void lands thatd be one funny shit to watch
My thoughts: The first general thought is Sukuna should have his cursed tool, the one with lightning, as he did get it from Yoruzu right after their fight, and it's a game changer inside of his own domain. Like Gojo right after losing the first domain clash wouldn't be able to dodge a big lightning bolt from the sky, and we don't know if there is a cooldown or some other condition when it's used, so technically he could possibly just spam shoot lightning bolts at Gojo while he used Simple domain or maybe even mid-fight if Sukuna just activated Domain amplification the second it hits. (it would be useless when Gojo has infinity for obvious reasons)
Another thing I didn't hear you talk about is Sukuna's ability to just constantly have domain amplification on during the entire fight, like that would definitely change all of the fights listed, Like Gojo's cursed technique would become way weaker, meaning the 3 minutes he has to hurt Sukuna would be almost impossible.
2:15, A possibility is that Sukuna could have shot multiple dismantles while forcefully going into the simple domain and then sent cleaves at him when he made contact, This means Gojo wouldn't have time to heal his CT because he would always be mid-combat with Sukuna and always needing to heal. We even see that if Sukuna is inside of the simple domain all that happened was he needed to block a kick, but with 2 extra arm, he would be able to counterattack at the same time.
4:25, I see the risk as this. Mahoraga has already been hit by UV during the first domain clash, it wasn't for long but the adaptation definitely already started, This means Sukuna would try to use Domain amplification as little as possible so the adaptation can do its thing, and that's what Gojo is referring to, from Gojo POV he sees Sukuna activate DA for short bursts then turning it off, he probably knows that having it on constantly would be the much better option as it would counter Infinity and minimise the damage he takes from any red or blues(guess nullifying Gojos blue punches as well, because don't know if he can be pulled while having DA on).
10:06, Well we do see Sukuna being able to heal his CT/domain at the same speed as Gojo did after Gojo had done it twice. They would probably heal at the same speed and just go at it again. TheSukuna was slower in the last domain because of the damage he had taken in the previous domain clash, so Sukuna healed his body and then his CT, while Gojo only needed to heal his CT(assuming he was healthy after the fourth clash).
My own thoughts: One thing I'm wondering is if Reverse cursed technique counts as a technique? and I mean like does chants or handsign increase its healing powers? because if that were the case Gojo would definitely have an uphill battle, BEcause Sukuna could constantly just shout chants increasing his healing while sometimes also adding in hand signs to boost it even further.
another thing is Can you use your CT while healing? like if Sukuna loses an arm, could he heal it while shooting dismantle, like we see that it's kinda obvious that a person can only use 1 cursed technique at a time, (Sukuna only uses 10shadows or dismantle, Kenjaku only Gravity system or curse manipulation). Like I know that Gojo healed his arm while a blue was out, but could he heal his arm while starting the shooting of blue, like he starts healing, shoots blue without interrupting healing, then heal more.
Last thought, Sukuna with 2 extra arms would increase the number of punches he throws to Dubble, meaning he could possibly land a BF, same with Gojo, but those are unpredictable unless it's Yuji cause the MC.
I think RCT can definitely be boosted by chants if you’re as skilled as Sukuna so that’s a valid point. But Gojo’s only win condition is exposing Sukuna to infinite void, I don’t see Gojo ever dealing enough damage to Sukuna in any other context.
For a sorcerer as skilled as Sukuna I’m sure healing and using your CT is possible. Using normal CE control and RCT is very hard to do at the same time but not impossible for the likes of Gojo and Sukuna
It wouldn’t make sense or any difference if sukuna had his Cursed Tool considering the fact that he technically didn’t bring it to the battle since urame had it lol
@@SumRandomGuy1Or he never needed it? or the dude didn’t wanted to have fun differently? however we want to see it
@@SumRandomGuy1 well Meguna only has 2 arms, meaning it would be hard to have a tool with him. Heain sukuna has 4 arms and extra mouth, so he could hold the tool while still being able to keep up the h2h
*"Sukuna-sama has yet to go all out."*
He then used the rest of his kit and achieved a grand total of toasting Choso 😂
Just me that imagines the first clash going like this. Gojo loses and Sukuna sprints and holds him down with 2 arms, then charges up the fire arrow with chants point blank.
bro just forgot infinity exists. These sukunatards know no bounds LMAO. How is fire arrow bypassing infinity?
Perhaps Domain Amplification would only interrupt adaptation IF the wheel was applied to himself? That's the only reason I can think of as to why he was willing to fight the way he did inside of Infinite Void. That way Megumi's soul is still getting affected, but "Sukuna's body" is treated as a separate target? This line of thinking is the only thing I could come up with to support why Sukuna would attempt something so risky and still allow for adaptation to occur
damm perhaps the most proper scaling video on this topic on yt
however what if sukuna used amplification to neutralize and then kamotoke or other cursed tool
I try my best haha.
To answer ur question... Gojo would get fried XD
@@Allons-Y-04 thats another way of bypassing. amplification plus cursed tool is how heian sukuna uld have fought gojo imao
Megumi’s soul was taking on the burden of infinite void adaption while sukuna could not use domain expansion.
With Kamutoke, Sukuna can perform Domain Amplification on Gojo while overwhelming him physically with his four arms and with Kamutoke's technique. Gojo will last for a long time, but under those circumstances he will most likely be defeated.
Knowing the latest chapters, 1 thing I can't grasp my head around is why would Meguna say that he won't be able to tank another hollow purple, while Sukuna didn't had his CT replenished after transformation, but he still has Yuta level of CE, which is actually absurd. Is his CE returning so fast that he went from 0 to someone with highest CE in the world after him in a matter of 10 minutes? That seems like a scary proposition.
To address your statement at 4:30 about Sukuna not being able to use TS while using domain amp, Sukuna wasn’t using TS. It’s stated in the manga that it was Megumi who had taken the burden of adaptation and not Sukuna. It was stated during the fight that Gojo’s UV targets everyone in the domain except Gojo himself. Sukuna and Megumi are still two different people, they’re just two souls that “share” the same body with Sukuna being the one in control of it because of the bath in previous chapters, Megumi’s body and soul are in the possession of Sukuna. So while Sukuna was using domain amp to protect himself, that left Megumi with no protection against UV. So order to preadapt Mahoraga, Sukuna put the wheel over Megumi’s soul so he could take the effects while he protected himself with domain amp. Gojo himself even confirmed that Sukuna wasn’t using TS at any point during the domain clashes and that it was in fact Megumi taking the full effects of UV and not Sukuna.
True but not true u forgot gojo knocked sukuna out in that same instant he summoned maharaga lol
@@luciferchorollo7172Read chapter 232 again, Sukuna never said the chant required to summon Mahoraga. He got knocked tf out and Mahoraga came out on his own after the wheel fell from Sukuna’s head and did the final spin. I’m guessing that since the wheel was removed from Sukuna’s head and the wheel spun, it triggered Mahoraga to come out. I mean against Yorozu, we did see him hand the wheel down and Mahoraga popped up underneath it and destroyed her domain and killed her. Or maybe there’s some asspull like Sukuna was able to make Megumi summon Mahoraga since he was knocked. Gotta see what Gege says on that, but Sukuna never intentionally summoned him after the domain clashes. He even confirmed himself that he was waiting for Mahoraga to be fully adapted so he could see the next stage of the adaptation when Mahoraga is able to attack infinity. Mahoraga lowkey summoned himself, he prolly got interested in Gojo too and wanted to run the fade like Sukuna.
@@atm8733 mahoraga summoned himself wow that's some big bs from gege the cat
@@atm8733 now that u said that it could be possible sukuna did tell maharaga to step it up so he does have a mind of it's own in understanding and it is tamed
@@effortless4588 Not really, Mahoraga was already stated to being able to form independent thoughts like the other shikigami of the TS. That’s what makes the TS so versatile and that’s also how he’s able to keep fighting even if who ever summoned him is died. He likely just saw Sukuna get knocked out and decided to pop out. Either that or Sukuna was already thinking about summoning him soon, kinda like how he thought of the incantation when he got caught in UV to summon Mahoraga, and because of that he came out. Honestly either way you look at it, it’s not much of an asspull because weve seen Mahoraga be summoned off of just the thought of the incantation and we already know he has a mind of his own and is capable of acting on his own.
In the domain clash sukuna explained to gojo, that he use domain application, and when he didn’t use domain amplification inside gojo’s domain he let mahoraga adapt, so technically what he was doing while attacking the outside of gojo’s domain, “he was switching on and off his domain amplification to adapt”that’s what he explained to Gojo
And for the flame arrow, even if gojo wants to run, Sukuna would use 2 of his arms to fight while using his second mount to chant and use his other 2 arms to use the flame arrow and kill gojo, sukuna with his 2 mount can chant faster before gojo would run away..
And for gojo’s domain, sukuna could counter the sure hit with hallow wicker basket, then use his other 2arms and 1 mount to open his domain and kill gojo
Everything understandable except ur point about Hollow Wicker Basket. Infinite void has already been stated as a guaranteed win the instant your enemy is enclosed in it. Sukuna would be unconscious well before a domain counter is possible. That was shown by the fact a domain 0.01 seconds faster was enough to incapacitate Sukuna. But everything else is valid imo.
@@Allons-Y-04 yhh but isn’t that because sukuna wasn’t trying to do the hollow wicker basket, he was just trying to heal, and he already knew that mahor had adapted to it, so he was being sloppy,
but if he knew that he was gonna get caught in it and he doesn’t have mahorage to save him, he could just use it immediately gojo says domain expression, to negate the sure hit, and cast his own with domain with his other 2 hands and mouth?
@@Allons-Y-04 Incorrect, Sukuna explained that there is a "spark" of CE before someone uses their Domain or CT which lets the opponent know what they're about to do. That's why DE clashes always happen at the same time throughout the series, so yes, Sukuna would be able to use Hollow Wicker Basket to stop Unlimited Void.
One thing people seem to forget a lot is in this fight sakuna had multiple advantages over gojo via information because of gojo's too close to students and he was prepared with a technique that was literally the only counter to gojo's Infiniti in the entire series without that it's pretty much over for him as far as we know right now he could have other stuff we don't know about
It’s 50/50, ur glazing if u think one stomps the other
Honestly Just thought of something Just as Sukuna Can turn off his sure-hit mid domain, basically it's possible to maybe turn off his dismantle in his domain for an increased output and speed of cleaves. What Do you think about this. Not trying to make it An argument but it's possible.
I absolutely think this is possible. Binding vows and mechanics like this are constantly being exploited by Sukuna
Hollow Wicker Basket changes everything though
During the part where sukuna was touching gojo during infinite void he wasn’t using domain amplification to touch gojo since infinity wasn’t active so sukuna was using the ten shadows technique during that moment that’s at least how I interpreted that interaction
Wow that’s the literal definition of head canon 😂 ur fuckin trippin bud he literally just blitzed gojou there and touched him
@@lurisy9045 he did blitz him i didn’t say he didn’t
Gojo says Sukuna did use Domain amp and Gojo’s infinity is active because their guaranteed hits were still cancelled out at that time
Im thinking if were covering heian era sukuna give him his weapons than because they have an imbued cursed technique he will use Domain amplification on them allowing his weapons to bi pass infinity
Yeah I forgot about Kamutoke when making this video which is my bad but ur 100% right
Also I'd bet gojo would be much more willing to use purple as there is no risk of mahoraga
Why gojo keeps clashing domains when he could teleport out of sukuna's and let him tire as he shoots purples inside the domain
Cus that’s not how Gojo fights
@@Allons-Y-04
-gojo cant use his techniques right after burnout
-gojo doesnt fight like that
-gojo cant spam shoot purples, even if he did, sukuna would see them coming and avoid
-sukuna can close the barrier the next time he uses his domain if he figures out that was gojos strategy
Sukuna wouldve matched Gojo better in hand to hand (which was Gojo’s ONLY advantage aside from Infinity). With that said, the first half of the fight wouldve went the same EXCEPT for the final clash where Gojo was able to destroy Sukuna’s Malevolent Shrine because he was able to damage Sukuna enough to disrupt it via hand to hand.
Yes, Gojo wouldve fought differently but so does Sukuna. The fact that Gojo pulled out pretty much everything he had but still couldnt defeat Sukuna says a lot already. Without even disrespecting either of them, sht would come down to battle of attrition, which Sukuna clearly has the advantage. Gojo’s Infinite Void aint sht if it cant hit, which he really tried hard while Sukuna just casually counters Gojo and hit him anyway. Theres also the Sukuna’s actual abilities.
Sukuna in his Heian body aint gonna do worse than Meguna. If anything, he should do better and that slight “better” is already a huge factor against Gojo (again, given how the first half of the fight happened).
The matter is not that he pulled out everything he had but that bro got simply carried away and outsmarted
@@dimass4031 huh?
I mean people forget sukuna has been fighting with four arms for years during the heian era of course it’ll be difficult to adapt to two arms. I mean if you have been writing with you right hand your whole life, how tf do you expect to easily adapt to using your left. And even with that sukuna still was in control of the whole situation
April fools idea: They had one more clash that was not mentioned where they shrunk their domains to basketballs and played basketball until someone got to 7 points whoever won got their domain.
I think Heian Sukuna vs Gojo is simple. If Gojo can survive the Domain battle he wins this. Meguna has ten shadows which is the best counter to infinity and he had the ins and outs to infinity because of Yuji and Megumi’s memories on top of Kenjaku providing him intel. Somehow Gojo was not even informed by his students that Sukuna has a barrierless domain. Gojo had to figure out Mahoraga during the fight.
Sukuna was excluding himself from the can’t miss effect, and by proxy allowing himself to be hit by UV 5 times as explained when he summons Maho. He used domain amp constantly while in his domain, and forcing Megumi to absorb the brunt of UV. He can do this because it isn’t Sukuna using Maho, it’s Megumi’s soul, who is taking the brunt of adaptation. Hence y Sukuna couldn’t use any CT of his own.
Heien Sukuna would be more powerful with his extra arms and mouth for chanting and hand signs. He also wouldn’t have a reason to exclude himself from the sure hit anymore, meaning he wouldn’t be restricted to domain amp within, however he’d still likely use it until Gojo’s domain is destroyed. Gojo’s only shot against a true heien era Sukuna I THINK is to win in the first domain clash, or at best the second. Heien Sukuna has access to his domain (which we don’t know if it gets more powerful because of his form or not), but significantly stronger CT on top of that. Fire arrow would instantly end the fight once Gojo’s domain breaks, and likely a chanted cleave would do the same. Not to mention that blue enhanced Gojo was better, but still relative to a 2 armed Sukuna. 4 arms is a big deal. If nothing else, it’ll at least make them fight on even terms in CQC.
6:00 speaking of sukuna using his other pair of arms for incantations, I believe that holding your domain incantation does strengthen the sure hit or output of your domain, why else would they hold their hands in that position when clashing? yuta, uro, and ryu their incantation for the entire clash, gojo and sukuna did, and sukuna did against mahoraga in the anime, instead of putting his hands in his pockets like he did in the manga. So, if this is true, sukuna could use his other pair of hands to keep his domain's incantation active, strengthen it and since gojo's incantation only requires one hand, he could do the same but, I dont think fighting a heian era form sukuna with one arm is the best thing to do, even if ur gojo lol, same goes for sukuna, the 4 arm advantage in h2h combat is probably better than making your domains output a bit strong, but I was just providing my opinion
i just realised, couldnt gojo just teleport out of sukunas domain the second he uses it and just wait it out ? he teleported in a milisecond to geto after he got unsealed, why cant he just teleport 200m out of the radius ? Sukuna doesnt even have a barrier to close out his domain its so dump
100%. If Gojo wanted to run there’s no way in hell Sukuna is catching him. But Gojo would never do that.
Have you seen the panal where gege explain about gojo.... Gege said there are some conditions to used teleport ability.... And people bring up the jogo fight where gojo freely used it but you need to remember how weak jogo was... And here gojo fighting sukuna
Before gojo vs sukuna people always thought gojo can fire purple at anytime... But as we seen in the fight thats not the case... I think teleport is also fail in the same category...
Against weak characters he can fulfilled all the conditions but against the strongest he can't fulfilled them easily
If sukuna went into this without megumi’s memory or ten shadows , he probably would have lost
Nah
I think the fight can go either way (extreme diff)
especially if its Heian era Sukuna and don't have
the memories of potential bum
I agree but one thing more to consider. if gojo is going for the kill he might not care about hitting sukuna with infinite void. hitting him with that was when he wanted to in some way save megumi still probably paralysing Sukuna is important to that. If these guys are playing their smartest i see no reason why gojo wouldn't teleport from sukunas domain at least a few of the times
Problem is he need to heal his CT to teleport which takes time, so once he does it once Sukuna will switch up. But I agree Gojo wins if he heals CT, teleports away cus it’s like max 200m and then wears Sukuna down until he can’t use a domain. That would have been way smarter but it’s not how Gojo fights unfortunately.
do what if nanami killed mahito in their first fight
Given the unpredictable nature of fights, either landing Black Flash is a definite possibility especially considering how it's partially luck based.
If Gojo at any point in this hypothetical battle manages to land a Black Flash, whether out of sheer luck or concentrated skill, then he wins. The man basically won a 3 vs 1 against Meguna, Mahoraga, and Agito. I don't think Heian Era Sukuna, even with 4 arms, could hope to last in a hand to hand against a Black Flash amped Gojo.
Likewise if Sukuna lands a Black Flash, then the amp will more than allow him to keep up with if not outright beat Gojo in the Domain Clashes.
Exactly. There are so many possibilities to consider
@@Allons-Y-04 The ultimate point I got from your video is that Gojo vs Sukuna (pre evolution of course) is STILL a close fight. Idk why people are acting like Heian Era Sukuna, without the Slash that Divides the World obviously, no diffs Gojo.
@@adrianvalladares7564that's a very good conclusion honestly
Kashimo could see the world slashes, so it's very likely that gojo died so easily was because he thought the cleave was a normal one (the offscreen fked up so much in that ending)
@@mortalranger Gojo literally never successfully reacted to any of Sukuna's slashes. Every time Sukuna threw one out, Gojo seemed absolutely shocked. Either he couldn't actually see the slashes, or was simply blitzed by them. In either scenario, whether he thought it was a regular slash or not would have been irrelevant.
Still waiting for kengaku to take over gojos body and use the limitless six eyes and cursed manpulation combo to murk sukuna 😂.
i think the moment sukuna breaks gojo's domain and gojo's CT is burned out, sukuna immediately starts spamming his own cleave at gojo to pile up on his domain's surehit and overwhelms gojo's RCT, OR he uses a fire arrow and vaporises gojo
personally i think you have a point when you say that sukuna was using DA within the domain so he couldnt proceed with the adaptation, but i think he didnt collapse gojo's domain from the inside purely because of the reason he could only use the CT imbued within the domain because he had ten shadows active, meaning he could only attack from the outside. if he used maybe say shrine to try and break it from the inside, it wouldve cancelled out mahoraga's adaptation thus making his plan reduced to nothing. Meaning that sukuna had no other choice but to destroy it from outside if he wanted to fully adapt mahoraga to gojo's domain. He COULD have broken it from the inside if he wanted to but he chose not to because he wanted to finish mahoraga's adaptation.
So sukuna wasnt trying to go offensive on gojo, but he was just trying to buy time for mahoraga to finish adapting, so when gojo's domain collapsed, he resumed adaptation. Overall he was still just trying to buy time for mahoraga to adapt to unlimited void tho.
Tbh, I think Gege made the whole fight rly complicated so that it can be open to interpretation. I think he wanted people to be able to back the characters, and for that reason a lot of the details will probably never be truly understood. There are just so many unkowns.
i don’t see Sukuna even remotely struggling breaking the inside of the barrier when we’ve seen him clear the entire floor with his Spiderweb Slashes. 2. How could Sukuna not know how to heal his burnt CT if he knows more abt it than gojo himself? (How to do it) (how it function) (negative consequences) (even how many times a person could realistically do it before dying)
funny thing is
we saw mahoraga break the inside barrier with 1 attack during the 4th domain clash
its evidently very fragile due to the equivalent exchange gojo made in order to withstand the relentless attacks on the outer barrier
12:05 😂😂 damn right
Tbh I don't think Sukuna h2h in his domain would win. He needs 2 hands for his domain, which leaves to hands to attack with. but that just makes him meguna with 2 arms.
Im on sukuna side but great video highlighting gojo potential 👌🏾👌🏾
What’s this? Someone who can appreciate an unbiased video??? Ur 1 in a million mate 😂
7:15 Sorry , BUT Sukuna is physically stronger than before, but until now he did nothing to suggest that his curse techniques are stronger as well
Wait, Sukuna actually block a 200% HOLLOW PURPLE? Yeah, I'm thinking Sukuna might actually take this one.
Sukuna himself said that he barely dodged it last second
@@spaghettimaghetti5042 he did still dodge it, that's the important thing.
@@Genji-Agitonot sure if he dodged it bc uraume was stand right beside him and she appears to be j fine
That comment pissed off a whole lot of One Piece fans🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I probably would have said worse
Well,, you assume that gojo would adapt if he lost the third clash, if that is the case, sukuna would as well, and we can go to that ad infinitum, sukuna would win, based on what we saw, not necessary easily, but in the clash of the domains, you assume that gojo would be able to effectively damage sukuna before he regains his domains, but in the actual fight, gojo never landed a attack like that in sukuna while pressured by malevont shrine, because how could he? After a domain a sorcerer doesn't have access to his technique, that incudes blue, red, and of course the limitless, thats why gojo used simple domain, and those anti domains techniques doesn't work for more than few moments, as we saw time and time again, sukuna destroyed those pretty easily. The only time gojo landed a attack that actually hurt sukuna while malevolent shrine was active, was a red in the face of sukuna, and it was only after the first time he lost, sukuna only took that because he was caught by surprise, and he wouldn't be caught again, because ne he is aware that gojo can heal his brain, that's why gojo doesn't even attempt that after the second clash, so sukuna has the overwhelming advantage, and I'm not even counting in his black box, or cursed weapons, if he used those there's no way gojo could have won.
Time to put on my d1 gojo defender crown.
Lets address a few things Ive been seeing in the comments
-" oh gojo would not have the h2h advantage bexause sukuna has an extra pair of arms with incantations and mouths"
-"gojo will see a a gap in strength or power with six eyes and use a binding vow"
To address the first thing, no, he would still have the advantage thabks to blue, we even see a amall panel showcasing sukuna wondering how he got blitzed. Ontop of that we even see him get into a 3v1 and he seems to defend himself very well against 6 arms (agito, mahoraga, sukuna). H2H especially with no way outside of DE or DA to bypass infinity he still has the advantage. (Also lil crackpot, he wasng wearing tojis clothes for no reason, it was to showcase either or hint obviously h2h ability sikilar to toji while paying homage)
Addressing sukuna using six eyes to see a gap in strength, is a hell no. We even see him analysing from the beggining how his CT is absolutely superior compared to sukunas this goes to show that gojo does not aee a gap in strength, he is a genius and would have percieved it regardless, they are pretty relative.
Imo the fight would go as followed, until the last clash, i think gojo will use blue at maximum capacity to make sure whether in 3 minutes or under he destroys MS, regardless sukuna gets damaged into the next domain clash, UV hits, Gojo wins. If for whatever reason they both cancel out and gojo or sukuna tie and cant use their domains, nothing sukuna can do can get past infinity, he couldnt cut space without a blueprint, that blueprint being mahoraga.
Well, all of these arguments stop when you know that maybe Sukuna can one-shot Gojo inside the domain. Also, I don’t see any difficulty in Sukuna destroying Gojo’s barrier from the inside, because in the fourth clash, Mahoraga just raised his hand and destroyed the barrier (Mahoraga did not adapt to the barrier, he adapted to the sure hit effect ) and we must also know that Sukuna can limit the effect of the sure hit to the inside, as he did in the second clash (he canceled the sure hit effect from the inside and made it outside, which simply means that he can do the opposite) , because the barrier is much weaker in Inside, knowing that Sukuna wanted to procrastinate Gojo inside the domain in order to adapt to UV. Regarding amplification, all Sukuna was doing was switching and balancing between amplification and the cursed technique like Higuruma did. What I mean by this is that the chance of winning may be 30/70 in favor of Sukuna
How can he one shot Gojo in the domain?
@@Allons-Y-04 inside the malevolent shrine bu cleave
When the domain clashed the sure hit of gojo even tho the domains were equal was still affecting sukkuna cause gojo domain targets everything and sukkuna targets everything except him so , sukkuna used megumi to collect the UV hits in this scenario without megumi what would happen ??
There was definitely a lot of factors to the fight that made it seem like sukuna got bailed by plot, but after arguing with edgy fan boys for the last 2 months I genuinely don’t care for the story anymore lol, I haven’t read a chapter after I saw kashimo get folded😂, but like how did sukuna use the maho slash, if he has to use chants to boost it?
It wouldn’t affect Sukuna at all I’m pretty sure. There was a page explaining that Megumi took the burden of adaptation for everything in the domain except the guaranteed hit which was fulfilled when Sukuna actually got hit by it in the final domain clash… I think 😂
@@Allons-Y-04 what no the manga said megumi got hit by the sure hit 5 times throughout all the domain clashes , and sukkuna knew that would happen so he placed the wheel on megumi head so that he’d take advantage of that to adapt Mahoraga , the narrator even says the sure hit targeting sukkuna was still in play im sure it wouldn’t affect him much but nothing at all is an assumption
@@SumRandomGuy1 it’s kinda plot armor and I don’t know why the extra mouths like couldn’t he chant with his mouth before ? It’s not like something was closing his mouth? So with 2 mouths he can what chant and trash talk at the same time ? 😂
This situation was really weird for me to read.
Since it wasn’t specified, we can only assume that Sukuna deliberately didn’t target himself in order to allow Megumi to tank UV without cancelling the effect.
Something that goes confuse me about this is what exactly changed when he was directly hit with UV? Why couldn’t he pass it onto Megumi again?
why is it when people make these videos they never take into account the cursed tools that heian era sukuna had cz they are almost a big part of his character.. even in the mini flashback during the kashimo fight we saw he fought with both kamutoke and hiten
So the best way I can explain this is as follows… I’m a massive donkey that forgot all about it 😂.
But yes Kamutoke would be a huge advantage for Sukuna assuming he can’t just cleave up Gojo
@@Allons-Y-04 👀how does domain amplificatio affect cursed tools though
Keep in mind that sukuna only knew about being immune to Unlimited Void when touching gojo because he was in megumis body
I think it was because he was previously in Itadori’s body where Gojo pretty much handed Sukuna the Infinite Void handbook fighting Jogo
@@Allons-Y-04this is true
This what if was an interesting one. What do you think would have happened if Sukuna had fought Gojo back when Gojo just got out of the Prison Realm and Sukuna was only at 15 Fingers?
I had someone on Twitter/X post mockingly how "Imagine thinking Gojo would beat 15F Sukuna"
I think the dude is an idiot, personally, as I think Gojo would have no doubt beaten a 25% weaker Sukuna. But what do you think?
Yeah icl Gojo gonna slam him simply cus Sukuna has around 20% less defense from any limitless attack
@@Allons-Y-04 My thoughts exactly. I don't think the battle in this scenario would even go past the Domain Clashes. Remember when Gojo tied against Sukuna in the 3rd clash? If Sukuna had been only at 15 Fingers, then he'd have gotten folded within those 3 minutes and would have gotten hit by Unlimited Void, and without the extra 4th and 5th clash to help Mahoraga adapt to UV, Gojo wins.
Even if somehow this doesn't happen, then Gojo's Black Flash might have blown a hole in Sukuna rather than just knock him out.
And if SOMEHOW the battle goes EXACTLY as it went in canon, then considering 20 Finger Sukuna BARELY survived that last Hollow Purple, then with 25% less power and durability, he's straight up dying to that attack.
Idk how some people can honestly believe Sukuna held back to the point that even at 15 Fingers he beats Gojo. Smh.
Sukuna lowkey batmanned Gojo, bro had the prep time of hell.
Sukuna would still win with his domain
I mean he literally knew everything about Gojo even got a extra tidbit from Kenny just to make sure sukuna had a plan just in case he got in unlimited void, bro actually had TWO contingency plans. Meanwhile NO ONE really understand sukuna abilities, Sorcerers are 80% technique 20% skill, but what do you do when u aren't sure about 80% of the person abilities??? Bro quite literally was getting bat manned as soon as sukuna laid eyes on Megumi, Gojos fate was sealed. Just find it hard to jus say he loses the battle cuz of a domain when Sukuna didnt even win with one?? @@oidotsuc5165
i thought that you would have more subs
It’s ok it’s only been a month tbf… we getting there
A lot of these scenarios of gojo winning is getting out of his de which isn’t even plausible atp sukuna would take less damage in the barrier gojo would have a harder time trying to last in his domain and sukuna in the domain clearly wins because he didn’t even use his cursed tool in the fight and can use it in his de when gojos breaks he also wouldn’t take as much damage to even get to those draws or ties and sukuna should be able to sense gojo edge of his de because he’s attacking him from the outside as well
No Makora and Sukuna is dead. He knew it from the 1st episode and that is the solo reason why he wanted Megumi so bad.
Hmm idk. Sukuna was curious about Megumi way before he knew mahoraga could adapt. I think Sukuna just loves to challenge himself and learn. Although I still think it’s a close fight without it, and tbh I think it could go either way. I don’t think one method was necessarily easier than the other, Sukuna just wanted to try the more interesting method.
A major point I see differently is destroying Gojo’s DE from interior vs exterior:
1. If Sukuna can consistently find the external boundary and destroy it, why wouldn’t he be able determine where the internal boundary is? Sukuna’s open DE surrounds everything inside & out so imo Gojo’s domain boundary shouldn’t be an issue
2. Gojo states “when the domain’s internal & external conditions were reversed, thereby decreasing the resistance from the inside” - Kusakabe’s explanation (DE interiors are strong against pressure) is based on a regular DE with typical conditions. This is why I still agree Sukuna took the “risky move”
3. *Already Debunked from the comments* Sukuna switches on and off Amplification when inside the domain, so he can adapt whenever he isn’t using amp
Yeah the domain amp one definitely tripped me up but I’m grateful to the comments for finally curing my insanity 😂
yeah I agree HE sukuna has a better chance of beating Gojo, we really just need more info on sukuna and if we give him his cursed tools it gives him even more of an edge. The fight is essentials a battle of RCT, if sukuna makes gojo use more RCT he wins and vise versa. Ie gojos CT is burnt out and sukuna nukes him with kamutoke and if he has some 0 second cast CT we dint know about it will increase the amount of RCT gojo needs leading to sukuna winning the war of attrition
See I think with in few domain battle gojo would lose cuz sukuna have more hands that way he would pressure more to gojo he won't be able to use simple domain or falling blossom emotion if they fighting domain battle gojo has little to no chance to win here Idk
First
If he never ever learned how to bypass infinity he never would of beat him.
Same thing with whoever defeats sukuna. You need a way to bypass infinity.
Sukuna’s barrierless domain breaks Gojo’s barrier. When Gojo is in Sukuna’s domain his infinity is bypassed. At that point he just needs to end a massive cleave or smth
hey man nice video i enjoyed it personally to your question the reason sukuna can use domain amplification and still let mahoraga adapt is because the wheel is on megumi and when the wheel was on sukuna domain amplification stopped the adaptation, so him stalling and letting the domain fight play out longer makes sense because he wants mahoraga to be immune to unlimited void, secondly i think gojo's domain is his only condition to win hell it may be sukuna only condition also but its definitely is for gojo because without that sukuna can tank whatever else gojo does and sukuna imo again does not lose a single domain clash to gojo just gives himself brain damage and sukuna kills him after his like 4th domain attempt ofcourse it wont be easy still but now i think its better the fight we got because gojo here would not look as impressive
That actually makes a lot of sense thanks!
@@Allons-Y-04 np nice video
I don't get it I thought he killed moharaga tf
Basically he killed him during a subjugation ritual and also Sukuna is a different person who kinda hijacks megumis technique so he basically gets a fresh copy of all shikigami… idk it’s lowkey asspully 😂
Es-tu français?
I’m English but I can barely speak that tbh 😂
@@Allons-Y-04 it's French
sukuna needs his hands for domains lol and gojo really destroyed his arms ( i forgot how many times). and it was megumi who was taking unlimited void hits, doesnt matter if its hein era or yuji sukuna or meguna, sukuna would lose eventually Only way he won coz he had that reality clash move otherwise he was bout to get another purple on his face.
i forgot gojo has teleportation lol, he could just teleport outside of sukuna's domain whenever he wants.
You also assume Sukuna hadn't healed his CT before, he knew about it and his entire gimmick is copying phenomena he sees
Yh a few ppl have brought that up. Thanks tho im always looking to understand more 👍
Cant you do if mahoraga beat sukuna 🗿
Well… the story just ends after the squad deal with Kenjaku and that’s that 😂
Some points to take is that while Sukuna's Ryomen Form is "perfect" it was directly stated by Sukuna himself that Megumi's body was more suited for fighting sorcerors.
Megumi is by speed and flexabillity surpasses Sukuna's and strength doesnt seem to increase besides the 4 arms but thats a hand to hand/hax.
So Gojo in h2h actually deals pretty good with Ryomen form Sukuna since he has better speed and shown better hand to hand and strength, while Sukuna will close the gap by trying to overwhelm him with 4 arms.
So hand to hand is a tie.
Sukuna could always heal his CT. he literally lectures gojo on the dangers of it
He did it back in shibuya and kenjaku likely did it against Yuki - its just nearly impossible to heal while being attacked by someone else, so kenjaku specifically delayed healing until he was free from gaurda and Yuki/Choso onslaught
Gojo would have clapped him low dif. Sukuna king of frauds knew he needed the 10 shadows technique since Gojo played with him during the 10 seconds.
Boohoo, gojo still died LMFAO
Sukuna mentions with Higuruma that he was impressed by them using domain amplification without dispelling his Executioner's sword. This implies Suluna can do the same, he could easily have done something similar.
Yh lots of ppl have mentioned that, mb for being slow but learning is part of the reason I make these videos after all. Thanks!
you're good lol, it was a good video. Also a lot of things are up to interpretation since gege doesn't always explain some things tbh@@Allons-Y-04
Im gonna go out and say this roast me if you want but without mahoraga sukuna loses even with him sukuna was this close to dying on two instances the domain clash where sukuna was stunned and somehow he magically summoned him even though he didnt recite the chant and form the hand signs and when gojo blasted him with unlimited hallow purple. Sukuna without mahoraga loses. Fyi im not a gojo fan im more of fan of todo nanami and toji
Its either gojo loses immediately or if he can survive, sukuna loses in a very long drawn battle. Or the first match is a stalemate and their next fight sukuna figures out hoe to counter infinity on his own
Why does everyone assume sukuna got stronger after reincarnating?
The extra arms and mouths are for constantly achieving higher output, that is the only improvement we are aware of but it is a significant one
@@Allons-Y-04 if we had the likes of gojo to test this theory, I'd be more likely to believe. Since gojo, no one has pushed sukuna so for all we know, only his cursed technique output has gone up. His speed, durability and physical strikes should be the same considering that's still megumi's body just shaped differently so I'm assuming his striking power comes from cursed energy manipulation and reinforcement.
@@enjimusic90The narrator literally said the 4 arms and two mouths give him an advantage over ANY sorcerer and explained why.
Yo i get it. Sukuna’s lived for hundreds of years and has immense cursed energy and jujutsy knowledge. He’s a genius and would have probably beaten gojo no matter what. But please, stop giving him more credit than he deserves.
No sukuna wasn’t holding back.
No sukuna cannot beat gojo in hand to hand
No sukuna doesn’t have better rct or battle IQ
Do you even realize that gojo cannot run out of cursed energy? He is virtually infatigable and since he uses cursed energy at a tiny fraction of its usual cost.
Also one thing that really infuriates me is that gege never really gave gojo the chance to surpass his limits when facing a real challenge. He reduced him to that inifinity. Even though inifinity was merely an application his cursed technique. But whatever
Umm… I make several points agreeing with those things in the video 😂
I said Gojo is superior in hand to hand and I never said Sukuna has better RCT but my point is basically that I agree
the finger bearer wins no diff