Why Are Conservatives So Media Illiterate?
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I will never not laugh at conservatives who think rage against the machine is supporting them
Makes you wonder what machine they think they are raging against, doesn't it?
Or to a lesser extent System of a Down, but they aren't quite as political as RATM. To me all metal heads that are actually conservative don't seem to get what the music is really about. We walk the left hand path, the path away from religion or religious values and our music is meant to express anger about mostly right wing ideals. It surprises me the amount of us who just don't get it. Trump might run on anti-establishment narratives but he's the furthest thing from it and is actually more establishment than even politicians are. Corporations are the problem and they somehow don't see that he has been the poster boy for corporate greed and avarice since the 80s. I guess there are more posers among us than I originally thought. I never forgot that it has its own Nazi subculture but that was always the minority, now I don't know if it is a minority anymore.
That being said there are those who take a stand against the idiots out there. Check out a song called A Pig With Cocks in its Eyes by Anaal Nathrakh, it's an anti Trump anti Boris Johnson song. They have been doing openly antifacist themes since their first album. They get it!
How in the world can they think the lyrics 'some of them who work forces are the same that burn crosses' is anything other than a condemnation of cops?
My only conclusion is that conservatives don't even realise the comparison between cops and klansmen is meant as an insult.
Who do they think the machine is? Fecking Skynet? LOL
Haha I left my comment before I read this one, or him getting to this very example.
My favorite part of the Trump era was watching Conservatives realize their favorite bands hate them.
His "era" is still ongoing.
What rock have you been living under?
That bag of sht will never go away until he's dead....and even then the psychos won't let us forget him.
Are you sure they’re realizing it?
@@SlusserGuitarsthey went from boycotting Bud Light, to supporting Modelo… yet another progressive beer company.. so.. I don’t think they realize ANYTHING..
@@SlusserGuitarsthey didn't but they still are confused of why Rage Against The Machine dosen't support the same politicinas they do...
Hi, Ian. Upon reflection, your comment is both correct and damn depressing.
The most ironic one of all is the New Testament. I mean, how a conservative can look at the teachings of Jesus and somehow think that Jesus would be a conservative is mind boggling to me.
Fancy finding you here. Big fan.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind. Actually I read that Christianity used to be a more liberal thing, with concern for the poor and a propensity for charity being a primary factor. The term "Bleeding heart liberal" came from that, with "bleeding heart" referring to the bleeding heart of Christ. It's only during the Evangelical movement of the 1980s that it shifted, and conservatives used the single-issues of abortion and gay marriage to drive many Christians towards being more conservative, while many others left the church entirely.
Good to know one of my favorite nerds is based as hell. Keep up the good work, my friend
Holy shit, did not expect the 8BitGuy to be here! Yeah, Christianity was hijacked by the far-right in the early 1900s with the rise of the Red Scare and televangelism. Anyways, I love your review on the Tandy 1000, I just recently upgraded my 1000 EX and got it to run Wolfenstein 3D!
I know someone who hates liberals told me two weeks ago that, “Conservatives are the ones who actually know what god wants.” Yikes.
I mean, now we're starting to see conservatives refer to the Sermon on the Mount as "woke liberal propaganda"... soooooo...
My Conservative parents saw Barbie. When I asked them about their thoughts on women's role in society today... they couldn't even figure out why I asked. When I explained, my Mom said, "oh...we didn't get THAT from the movie."
When I first watched the movie, the messages in it were so obvious I was a bit annoyed the movie was spoon feeding the audience. Then I thought more about it and realized most viewers need that slap in the face. Reminds me of when my conservative mom and I were watching Everything Everywhere All at Once and she couldn’t finish the movie because it ‘had no plot’
@@emmabloodworth5759 My mom thought Daisies was "a movie about two girls who do something?" Completely missing the point of one of the greatest feminist films of all time.
@@brophwyd Hey at least she watched it. :) My mom only watches hallmark movies lol
I knew the Barbie movie was going to reference feminism and the patriarchy, I didn't know the plot was going to explicitly revolve around feminism and the patriarchy. I would be gobsmacked if someone told me they completely missed it.
As someone who grew up conservative and who learned about those concepts in later life, I can relate. If you don't know what to look for, if you lack the knowledge base, you don't get it. Watching and "paying attention" will not work if you don't know about the concepts in the first place, because you can't relate it to anything.
"Start Trek is only political 15% of the time" is an interesting way to say, "I only understood 15% of the themes of Star Trek"
Every time the camera paned to the black communications officer played by nichelle nichols, the show was being political and awesome on my opinion.
Part of it is a lack of understanding of identity and culture, so they miss when shows like Star Trek are challenging political and social norms without overtly highlighting policy or injustice.
Egalitarianism, in itself, is a challenge to the status quo, and they don't realize that.
@@inafridge8573 It's disappointing that so many of "the right" are progressives and just don't realize it. They hate progressives so much, and would die before they got to know themselves enough to understand that they are one.
Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing....But yes, that seems a reasonable assessment.
@@inafridge8573 Star Trek also takes place in a post-scarcity society which is inherently communist
I once heard someone say “All media is political, and if you don’t see a piece of media as political then it either completely agrees with your world view or you’re too fucking stupid to realize out that it’s political.” and honestly it seems more and more accurate every day I’m on this earth
"Everything is political." --Thomas Mann
All media? Even Andy Griffin show?
I think there is a difference between a story taking place in a setting that has a particular assumed political environment and the message being political in intent.
@@KaleighCeeI think you are conflating “politics” with civilization itself. Politics is just a structure. In any story that takes place in civilization will have to show political structures, but that doesn’t have to be what the story is about.
The following is a piece of media:
Water is wet. Grass is green. The sky is blue.
Feel feed to discuss how this statement is political in the comments below. Thank you.
I think my favorite example of conservative media illiteracy is their love and admiration for Homelander from The Boys. The show goes out of its way to not only show how bad Homelander is, but to also make his in-universe fans as close to his real life ones as possible. It’s pretty funny how the show runners can hold up a mirror and point out the fans’ flaws, only for fans to completely ignore it.
My favorite is South Park. They really think they only make fun of liberals 😭 they always be missing the point.
@lulu_TheWitchBoy conservatives not watching South Park but going out of their way to basically say "Cartman is literally me" is the funniest fucking thing
@@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish In-universe, Cartman is the character everyone hates except his mom sometimes. His real life fans imitate his behavior and mannerisms, then wonder why they're unpopular.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy to be fair trey Parker and Matt stone have said they lean conservative.... but really south park trashes everyone, and does a great job. They might be the only creators that have identified a conservative that i actually respect..... please no one link shit that makes me hate them lol
@benjaminseverinsen8713 i think they lean economic conservative but are mostly centrist. They'll make fun of some lib takes, but will also make fun of social conservative takes and the conspiracy types.
I remember me and my homophobic aunt watched a movie that was an allegory for accepting queer relationships. I laughed when she came out of the movie saying, "People need to be more accepting of different kinds of relationships." 😂😂😂
That actually made me laugh a bit. 😆
which movie?
I'm starting to think that conservatives are completely unaware that subtext is a thing, which helps explain why the screenwriting career of Ben Shapiro was so short.
Conservatives are completely unaware*
fixed it for ya
@@Khalkara NAW /s.
Conservatives are the ones screaming "the curtains are just blue damn it!"
They are also remarkably resistant to any notions of context and nuance (especially when recognizing such things might contradict their preferred narrative).
Do you think the writers that pumped out an episode of Trek in under a week were that concerned about subtext?
Every time Ben Shapiro criticizes a movie or TV show, I can feel the undercurrent of "Why wouldn't anyone in Hollywood hire ME to write anything?"
If you ever meet Ben, tell him it's because he is a shyte writer.
I know right? Who wouldn't salivate over having a writter like Ben Shapiro, of "best selling" novel True Allegiance writing a movie, amirite?
And simultaneously demonstrating why no one would hire him to write anything.
I often think that Ben Shapiro is an undercover flaming queer infiltrating the right. When you read what he writes he is absolutly homosexual.
@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Why because man in his writing is muscular and have a great body and is very very manly and is filled with arousing testosterone and is very very hard and long? That's not bad writing, it is gay fandom!
I just love the idea that Robocop isn't political.
It's set in a future where a corperation that does everything(omni meaning all or in every way, so Omnico is literally all companies or represents companies in every way) has started to replace public services due to corrupt government officials.
Omnico is litterally selling drugs to criminals then selling the police to the city to solve the problem they're causing, all for the love of money.
And somewhere in that a guy gets turned into a robot because he works for the police force so Omnico owns his body post death and can do what they want.
Honestly the politican messages are shoved down your throat as core parts of the story, how can anyone claim it's not political?
But robot Jesus! /s
yeah its funny how even some of the most ham fisted works like Robocop that people still somehow completely misinterpret them
@@artirony410 literally. I just saw a guy recently get upset that ppl were making Dune political. He then claimed that Herbert didn’t want ppl comparing the political themes in Dune to real life 🤦♂️
the US conservative view is that we should get rid of the corrupt gov and have private companies do everything. The love of money makes sense because money literally shows how much you're worth as a person.
depressing to think they could watch something like Robocop and think "this is how things should be, a robo-cop fuck yeah!"
@@Nick-ql2qj That takes some serious wildul blindness. I mean, it's a dry and sandy place that houses a resource that the rich elite of society urgently need because it makes easy and widespread travel possible. To hang onto a steady supply of it, they colonise and war against the natives, and collectively panic when the natives unite under a new leader who threatens to take control of the supply of that resource. Yeah, THAT totally wasn't an allegory for anything that was happening in the 1970's. 😀
And that's before you get into the actually subtle stuff, like the dismantling of the Great Man theory (not even Leto is a good ruler), feminism and the bodily autonomy of women (the Bene Gesserit pimp out their members and demanded that Jessica bear a daughter who would have been married to frickin' Feyd-Rautha), propaganda (Irulan is frantically trying to whitewash her father's dirty dealings in her biography of him) and the dismantling of Mighty Whitey (Paul is only the Chosen One because of a eugenics program and propaganda aimed at making the Fremen believe in a Chosen One).
I think a large factor is that conservativism encourages conformity and discourages deeper analysis.
Progressives are as guilty of failing to look deeper at times as conservatives, but the collective still values indivuality.
Also, higher education encourages critical thinking, and conservatives consider asking too many questions taboo.
discourages deeper analysis...until it affects them!!, ie: Black republican don't like their parties stance on Blacks, or , Gay republican don't like their parties stance on Gays, or, Women republican don't like their parties stance on Health care. ... until it affects them!!
Well said. I respond to conservative comments on you tube and facebook, and I ask simple, common sense questions to try to get them to explain their logic. 99% of the time they can't stay on point, or go deeper down some wild conspiracy theory, and get really flustered/start hurling insults when I follow up with more common sense and deductive logic. Critical thinking isn't their thing - it's all based on emotion and rhetoric.
@@Seattle-2017 Every time I see a conservative trying to argue with the most basic ideas of socialism. They think someone not having a simple answer to "what is a woman" means that they won but then cannot give any coherent answer to "what is socialism or communism". Oh and never ask them to cite a source then you get an answer that is based off emotions rarely anything tactile.
@@Seattle-2017 It's the kind of, "Boy Scouts should be just for boys because of the word boy in boy scouts" thinking
Yeah, you reached the surface level there. Let's dig a little deeper. Why, in [current year] should this kind of restriction be left in place? What reason, other than tradition, should keep the change from occurring? Really actually think about the issue at hand, don't just go with your gut reaction
@@Seattle-2017Oh my god this is so true. They'll go on a long diatribe just to avoid answering the question, and every single time I'll remind them that they didn't answer the question at all. They want to take cues from people like Ben Shapiro, but fail to realize they're in a text conversation and they can't simply bulldoze over points by talking fast and trying to distract.
I'll also go on the record to say 'fuck Ben Shapiro' because he's actively contributing to the Right's failure to analyze anything. They just hear a man talking fast and insulting people and they think he's right.
My mother was a die hard conservative. She could not understand any concept that couldn't be boiled down to a bumper sticker. If it took more than two sentences to explain, she just couldn't wrap her head around. Conservatives are very simple people.
The common clay of the New West. You know, morons.
"you've got to remember that these are just simple farmers…"
These are people of the land...
The common clay of the new west...
You know...
Morons.
@@soupalex "these are people of the land. the common clay of the New West. you know, morons."
I have heard that Gene Wilder improvised that entire monolog. @@nondescriptcat5620
_"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative."_ -John Stuart Mill
because there are a few who are clever but evil!
@@Bongwater33 or dont claim to be conservative. I have right leaning things mainly in just business end. but social topics I tend to take a more libreal point. I truly smart person will not box themselves into one ideology and keep their mind open.
@@ScaashHello, I’m a student of political philosophy and this isn’t true. You are a neo-liberal, probably, the most common political ideology. It’s also a weak ideology. If you know anything about politics, you know that the left and right generally are so because of some fundamental difference in core values. Leftists are overall egalitarian - they believe EVERYONE deserves the best life they can have, and that we should enact policies that make it possible for as many people as possible to live good lives. The right generally wants to protect priviliges of «stronger» groups from «weaker» groups pressure to gain similar priviliges, based on fear and appeals to nature/religion. If you fall in the middle of these two positions, you either have an incoherent value-system (which most people do) or are just ignorant of objective facts about what would bring a better world.
The facts are on the side of the left. The left does science, logic, democracy, evidence. The right is inherently anti-intellectual and conspiratorial. Capitalism is -objectively- destroying the environment and our conditions for life. It privatizes gains, and lays its massive costs on everyone else. A pro-social democratic government DOES make a better society. Representation of minorities in media DOES make for less violent, racist cultures. Trans affirming care DOES save lives and create healthier, better societies. Women and men ARE fundamentally happier in non-restrictive gender roles. Higher taxes DOES produce happier, fairer, safer societies.
@@ScaashNo offence, I mean. You obviously meant well, and you are right we shouldn’t be too attatched to our ideologies. We must examine them, also our own, to find out what is rationally and morally justifiable or not.
I regret that I only have one thumbs up button to click............ 🤣
The Gundam franchise deals with this a lot. It was famously the first big mecha series where the robots were treated like tanks or fighter jets, and not capped super heroes, so you get a lot of military sf fans, but it was also very explicitly a show about how new age movements interact with, and become co-opted by politics, how honor through military service is a lie used to get children to kill each other, and how the wealthy elite sit back and grow rich as they play chicken with their own lives for higher and higher stakes.
Now for 50 years the series has gone on tackling themes of post war fascist movements, the complex economic incentives for terrorism, and the way force and apathy make them worse, how governments spin the narrative of war to maintain the status quo.
Now a show comes out, Gundam the Witch From Mercury, that looks at the military industrial complex, and how young people are pushed by their schooling, their parents, and their peers to adhere to norms that promote violence and class division, and conservative fans are mad that the show is also a lesbian romance. I personally think it's ingenious to have a lesbian relationship be the thing that shatters our lead characters' restrictive world views, and allows them to better push the world forward. I think that it's also great that the show can use that meta textual tool, while being set in a world that is progressive enough to have the relationship not be a problem for anyone, since it shows just how made up these social constructs are, and lets the romance just be a romance.
You can't have Gundam without space psychics, and hippie politics. You can't have star trek without diversity, and a liberal utopia. You can't rage against a machine, if you don't know what that machine is.
Anytime I hear someone say they don't like 0079 or Zeta because the main character is a cry baby, I know there's a good chance they are an idiot or 12.
"You can't rage against a machine, if you don't know what that machine is."
The machine is... Gundams?
And to see the people frothing their mouths over Witch of Mercury because Gundam suddenly became "woke" for the lesbian main couple going on... like, dude, have you been paying attention or you seriously think it's all about men in giant robots beating the shit out of each other and laser beams?
@@sterilustra
In addition to that, they're not noticing that the Gundam franchise has huge female fans. Those chicks have been there since the inception (way before Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED, Gundam OO which has bishonen characters that girls and women like). They tend to forget Gundam has Shojo elements which are awesome thanks to the introduction of that Newtype, Lalah Sune.
Seeing conservative Trekkies is like seeing conservative furries: it just feels blindsiding to see someone so out of touch with what they are interacting with.
True but you can still appreciate art without agreeing with it. I'm a social democrat and I love RATM but I disagree with communism.
@@theobell2002communism is objectively a good thing for humanity though.
@@AshMoscan't believe this is a real comment
@@theobell2002American “liberals” are conservatives
If conservatives couldn't ignore complex or troubling ideas and concepts (beginning with those that involve themselves) they wouldn't be conservatives.
true, they have a story for everything that doesnt conform to their limited, selfish and egotistical views of humanity
Yup
It's not so easy, being conservative is more a risk vs reward mental state. The the risk of new things is not worth the unknowable reward. They feel unsafe during change, we all do, but conservatives have learned to fear change.
These are quite possibly some of the least imaginative people on the planet. In fact, being socially unimaginative is a requirement to being an authoritarian bigot!
this.
Because recommendation engines have destroyed the need to exist beyond the ecosystem of one’s personal confirmation bias?
This is very on point.
They did this before the internet too. "One of the GOOD ones" is an evergreen conservative exception tool.
@@emperorkalanyes, hardline conservatives have loved bruce springsteen, see CCR's Fortunate Son as some nationalist, pro america, masterpiece, and many other things, since long before the internet.
You used to have to listen to friends who would recommend only the good stuff ...
Tayzonday being spot on as always.
As someone who grew up in a fundamental evangelical household, I think the answer is cognitive dissonance and, like you mentioned, the ability to see things through their own conservative-biased lens. You can see it in how they read and interpret the Bible. -yes, I am aware that not all conservatives have to be religious, but I think the majority are. Anyway, there are aspects of religion that would lend itself to having poor media literacy. A major contributor being that they are taught to never question “authority” and to take the Bible at face value, suspending belief and looking at it as infallible. It means they are less likely to develop critical thinking skills that are necessary for true media literacy; they do not question source materials, they don’t think about author bias unless it is something they totally disagree with.
It's more than reasonable to talk about conservatives as a religious group because that's the basis for many of their attempts at lawmaking. Why do conservatives dislike abortion? Because it's 'a sin.' Why do they dislike gay marriage? Because it's 'a sin.' Why are they trying to keep books out of public libraries? They're allegedly 'pornography' but if you actually look at them a lot of books on the list are just from the perspective of someone who isn't a straight Christian white man. They are quite literally trying to force legislation based on their own religious views.
On multiple occasions I've witnessed the accusation of someone not "properly" reading the Bible even when the person in question is *literally* quoting it and doing very basic analysis.
There seems to be a built-in assumption that reading a text must include interpreting it such that its message doesn't conflict with established belief. Maybe this just applies to all media for conservatives.
Often, if you tell a person like this that you have a different interpretation or belief, they will flat out refuse to believe you; they'd rather argue about how your beliefs *must* be mistaken or not genuinely held than accept a challenge to their established framework.
My mom, who was a pastor, straight up told me that not all bible stories were literal.
I think it has more to do with empathy than being smart. The reason they miss so much is they go into art, any form of art, thinking they know better than the creator. To us, art is an expression. To them, art is an amusement.
I have often remarked that conservatism is born from a lack of empathy
they think the goal is to impress instead of express
@@hlf3769Exactly everything is a " competitive sport" with them. It sounds like a joyless way to live.
One thing that's really hilarious about the "actually only 15% of Star Trek is political" argument is that it shows how ever-changing and self-serving their idea of "being political" is. If a piece of media so much as depicts people with marginalized identities in a favorable way, they'll deride it as "political" with no hesitation. But when they want to claim that media for themselves, suddenly it only counts as "political" if the message is so blatantly obvious that their unsophisticated baby brains can't pretend it isn't there.
Exactly, it's pathetic.
More than that, even. Some of the examples listed in the screenshot as "vapid bipartisan truisms" like "war is bad" and "slavery is evil" ignore the fact that those are only bipartisan *now*. At the time those TOS episodes aired, "war is bad" was very pointedly the territory of the political left. And a hundred years earlier, the same was true of slavery. Those things are now truisms only because of decades of progress.
the whole political thing reminds me of that clip of that fat bald man screaming about pronouns in starfield. he claimed it was political. apparently the english language is political now?
I wonder if he marked down literally every TOS episode for having a Russian man, a Japanese man, and a black woman as officers on the bridge of a war ship in the 1960s.
@@toddjh slavery is evil is not a bipartisan take. Republicans imposed and enforce the war on drugs. they defend the heavy overpolicing of black communities, etc etc..... 33% of adult black men hold felon status.
Incarcerated individuals can be forced into slavery, and they support for profit prisons.
Felons cannot vote either. So conservatives support and defend a system that disproportionately enslaves and removes the right to vote from black individuals. They fundamentally do not believe slavery is bad.
As someone who was raised in a conservative household, I've spent the last 25 years of my life educating myself about things I thought I knew about, replacing bad ideas and behaviors with better ones, and generally purging my brain of all order of idiocy. Conservatives don't think-- they BELIEVE. They have firmly held beliefs _about_ what they _feel_ is true. For them, truth is not based on the gathering of facts or even just basic observation skills. They are conditioned to _feel_ a certain way about something. So, it's no wonder that the context is lost on them. Because context isn't something they have a lens for.
Well said.
Glad you were able to de-program yourself.
The most ironic part is that they preach “facts are not feelings”
@@elokin300 Ironic isn't it.
This, this right here. They have beliefs, not knowledge.
Id like to say something like that not all conservatives are like that, but from my own experience and the interactions I had with conservatives, I can't help but agree with you.
So fun fact, I liked the sound of rage against the machine when I was a young conservative, but I was media savvy enough to recognize the progressive themes, and maybe that level of intellectual curiosity was sufficient to explain why I'm not a conservative anymore 😂
curiosity killed the cat
both cat and conservative start with the letter C
coincidence? or providence?
That time when conservatives thought George Carlin was on their side was such a fever dream
That one is probably the clearest example of why conservatives are this way
The entire shtick of conservatives is that they care about facts, not feelings, and that if your feelings are hurt by what they say, you are wrong.
Carlin was offensive, too. Ergo, he must be a conservative. Its as simple as 'this person has traits I have'
And yet conservatives have the most hurt feelings, and more grievances than anyone else.
"The entire shtick of conservatives is that they care about facts, not feelings, and that if your feelings are hurt by what they say, you are wrong."@@cyber_rachel7427
No Conservative person care about facts, they are all on feelings, what are you smoking? Are you so unaware.
He was explicitly a libertarian, something that all conservatives call themselves, and many of them use common elements like "all facts and no feelings" as aesthetic doublespeak and meaningless buzzwords. Small/limited government is another favorite doublespeak. I'm an orthodox libertarian myself in the way that George was.
@@cyber_rachel7427bro, I literally saw a short of George Carlin on a rightwing channel, the one about soft-language, and the commenters and the creator legit thought that Carlin was talking about liberals and leftists 😂.
Not long ago I watched a video of Ben Shapiro and Neil deGrasse Tyson discussing gender. After every lame point Ben tried to make in order to rationalize segregating gender into binary roles, Neil would challenge him with "why does it matter?" Ben was entirely confused by the question and could never answer it throughout the entire debate. You could almost hear his brain screaming like a child, "because it DOES!" I remember Ben at the very end acting like Neil just agreed with him on everything despite Neil challenging Ben's stance at every turn. It was astounding how everything in the interview went right over Ben's head and he somehow concluded they were on the same page.
Ask the trans bathroom people if they would ever have attempted to ban unisex bathrooms before the advent of this issue and watch their heads explode.
@@futurestoryteller you just gave me new ammo, such a simple point that cant be refuted
@@futurestoryteller
Wym?
@@futurestoryteller I don't understand why people still use this argument. There's no magical ward around the entrance to the women's bathroom. If you go to a shady area that's where men who want to assault women would hang out since it's so isolated.
Exactly. And kind of like when Peterson «debated» Zizeck. A reactionary psudo-intellectual demagouge meeting a philosophical giant. Peterson got CRUSHED in every way imaginable, but because Zizeck is an agreeable person and seemingly didn’t want to humiliate Peterson, Petersons fans left with the impression that Zizeck actually agreed on most of Petersons grievancea about the «postmodern neo-marxists». It was insane. They didn’t even realize Zizeck exposed him as a fearmongering idiot.
Asking conservatives what the meaning behind ‘Fortunate Son’ a song they seemingly love but, completely miss the meaning of is hilarious. You can almost see the song going over their heads.
Same with the song Killing In the Name. And tons of other examples.
It takes either a sociopath to knowingly adopt conservative ideology, or an ignorant and dumb person.
whaat! so much for hyper-masculinity ahhah
As a classic and punk rock fan, it drives me up the wall when conservatives claim to enjoy this music (ex. Born in the USA; RATM) because they very obviously have never listened to the lyrics and more so just want to to primal at the loud music.
My favorite example has to be when conservatives try to point out that Punk Rock is inherently conservative because they've done the bare minimum reading about The Ramones (even though political differences were a huge contributor to their break up), yet one of their best songs is about how Reagan was a clown.
The sound of basic concepts ricocheting off some conservatives heads is audible.
“Hurhur music go brrrrrrr”
Honestly, it all comes down to the fact despite slogans of "think for yourself" and "facts over feelings", conservatives are trained to NOT think deeply about things. They are just told something, something that often supports their preconceived worldview, and leave it at that. If they thought about it seriously, if they seriously questioned the beliefs they have and wonder "where am I getting this from", they'd find out they were just blatantly wrong about everything, honestly. So they are told not to do that and follow suit.
conservative are gonna lose their shit when they learn that appeal to emotion is one of the core pillars of debate.
It's kinda like how conspiracy theory nutjobs like flat earthers and anti-vaxxers will tell you to "do your own research," expecting you to find the same highly biased and unscientific sources they found and come to the same conclusions that they did.
Bingo 🎯
What you described is leftism and the far left. Actual conservatives do their research, they don't watch mainstream news like CNN or Fox, and they are more grounded in reality than people who choose to chop their balls off and sterilize themselves with hormones because they think they'll be a woman.
I'll never forget when Ian posted an out of context clip on a South Park episode that was already several years old saying "South Park NAILS the transgender bathroom issue!" presenting it as being on his side when the episode in question ends with the town declaring that anyone should be able to use any bathroom they feel most comfortable in and designates a separate "cissy" bathroom to anyone who has a problem with that. Of course conservatives can NEVER figure out when South Park is making fun of them.
Thank you for pointing this out. I can't watch South Park so I've only actually seen that and other clips out of context. I will add South Park to my 'clipped out of context, probably BS' meme 0pile.
Just because 'I' don't have much tolerance for crass humour doesn't make it bad in other ways, it just makes it unwatchable for yours truly. Thank you, much appreciated..
Once had a conservative ask why I "had to make everything political" when I pointed out the literal lyrics to a System of a Down song to them.
As near as I can figure, conservatism is mostly reactionary. Ergo, if something doesn't trigger the knee-jerk it's "not political". Saying a thing that they have to consciously acknowledge as _a thing_ challenges them and is "making something political". It's like politics is an entirely separate mental mode of thinking from the every day mental mode.
Its not just fear, it's also willing ignorance (or just ignorance) along with. Trump saying how he loves the poorly educated since that's a huge portion of his base.
System of a Down? No politics there, just listen to "Prison", "Boom", "BYOB" etc.
Yeah, you kinda hit it on the head with this one. The way of thinking that prescribes politics to another mode of thinking which only exists in a vacuum, unbothered from reality of the common folk, is exactly how neoliberalism loves to operate. Because people who not only don't think about politics, but outright HATE and REFUSE to, is very helpful to the capitalist class. Less of a spot light on them, if you will.
No kidding. Like when a reporter tried asking some questions of Ted Cruz after the Uvalde shooting, and he just accused the reporter "making it political." What a ghoul.
It’s interesting how he took you pointing out the meaning of the song as “you” making it political rather than it just being and existing as a political statement on its own. He was basically blaming you for bursting his bubble rather than recognizing his own ignorance. Conservatives can’t help but externalize their own angst and blame others for it rather than have insight into their own thought processes.
It would have been interesting to point out to him that you weren’t making it political and you were just explaining the intent of the authors and see what happens.
Expecting conservatives to understand the meaning of the songs they love is like expecting conservatives to understand the meaning of Christianity.
Which meaning? The one the Church practices, or the one it preaches?
@@mitchbandes2245Likely both
@@mitchbandes2245both
The gospel of GOP Jesus.
@@shilohhighland6716 agree, both. they practice it badly because it is preached poorly.
I know someone who is a full MAGA told me Encanto… yes the Disney movie, was a warning about how socialism is evil and how capitalism is great…. I still can’t figure out how.
The beginning of the movie depicted the Colombian Thousand Days War in 1898-1901 between the liberals and conservatives in which Miabel's grandfather Pedro was murdered after fleeing from their home with his triplets and wife. Your friend is wrong in that neither side were socialist or fighting for socialism, but the liberals were fighting for Colombia to become a federation and the conservatives wanting to keep Colombia as a unitary state.
My mother is... centrist at best. When reading and watching Hunger Games, she only really noticed the "love triangle" part of the story. Not the dystopia, not the fact Katniss and her sister and their community have to run a black market to have food while producing an essential product for the rich of the Capitol... no, she wants to know which boy Katniss would make babies with. When it wasn't about that, she was ASKING ME about what was happening as if she'd never noticed there was more.
I've given up trying to share media I enjoy with her.
Its a shame, but also very telling of who you are, that you let your personal political bias drive a wedge between you and the person who gave birth to you. You should move out of moms basement in protest until she learns to see everything your way.
@@memyself3275 Are you the mom? No? Weird that you care so much but anyway, is there any particular reason why you read that comment and instead of "my mom was unable to understand the stuff I shared with her and was basically uninterested in all but the most shallow interpretation therefore I won't bother since she's not getting anything out of it" you got "I hate my mom and thing she's a poo-poo head?"
Because in a discourse about shallow interpretations of text... do I need to continue or are you seeing how your comment makes you look yet?
I’m a left leaning guy who missed the point in media. I couldn’t understand why conservatives were so riled up about the possibility of Kamala Harris being VP, one step away from the presidency. I’d voted for her in the primaries. She was a “lock ‘em up” sort of Attorney General. I asked a friend what is right wingers’ problem with her? Answer: She’s black. I’d naively forgotten how much prejudice drives politics here in the USA.
A lot of “conservative” thought is based squarely in “christian” white supremacy.
Intolerance is a virtue with them. And it’s not possible to argue them out of their bigotry: they only double down, and start spouting idiotic talking points again
Yeah it was wild seeing ‘law and order’ conservatives losing their shit over KH being a ‘liberal’ justice when she basically aligns with their views in her decisions. Then you look and realize oh, black woman. Yeah there’s the ‘liberal’ part of her they’re getting mad about.
I honestly think that an element of this that conservatives, in general, are not as self-aware or self-honest compared to liberals. Liberals seem to question themselves more...which leads to a measure of indecisiveness on the negative side.
Being less self-aware, I think, leads to being goal oriented (the end justifies the means) and to actions which either directly or indirectly hurt minorities.
Wait, you're left-leaning, but you chose Harris during the primaries? Wouldn't her record as a 'lock 'em up' sort of AG turn you away? o.o
I need you to understand that you're not left leaning.
"Strong aversion to intellectual curiosity and self-reflection are hallmarks of conservative thinking" is the sentence of the day. Thanks for the sentence of the day, Sir.
Yes, to me this is possibly the root of the whole problem, they don't have much curiosity of any sort. And as far as I can see, they're much more black-and-white in their thinking than liberals.
I mean, I’ve met many democrats that are the same way
@@andrewbedwell8186Well, there is a term called morally lucky.
@@andrewbedwell8186Dude, come on now. It's not an overwhelming problem with democrats. Like conservatives still think that seeing lgbtq will make you lgbtq. Never bothering to maybe look that up on a medical journal on Google
Or still think transgenderism is a new thing and many civilizations pre-colonialism had no problem with it.
I think my favorite example of this will always be a conservative high school friend and her alt-right boyfriend recommending Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, a show about the overthrow of a fascist military state in which the central metaphor is about the evils of consolidating political power, a show which tells you directly to interpret its plot and themes on a deeper level. Still not entirely sure what they're getting out of this.
this reminds me of when my former teacher (who is a loyalist to a dictator) mentioned liking one piece.
The magic looks cool and they like the fascist uniforms I bet.
I have a friend like this. He's pretty conservative and he's obsessed with the 80s, especially the 80s yuppy image. I showed him American Psycho once to try and make him understand that yuppy culture was superficial and how trying to maintain that image negatively affected people. His only take away from seeing the film was that the main character looked cool and he wanted to have gloves like him. No joke.
Patrick Bateman rubbing his chin looking at the crisp white business card, consumed by envy.
The flip side of this, sadly, is that conservative media is able to succeed wildly with its target audience because it doesn't need to offer nuance, fact or acknowledgment of the existence of other possible perspectives.
Nailed it…..unfortunately
But this is also kind of the reason why conservative media tends to not do well with wider audiences. I've noticed that movies that feature religious themes that do well either focus on ancillary religious figures like angels or the Devil or are just straight adaptions of Bible stories like Prince of Egypt. Meanwhile religious movies that do poorly are ones that cater to right-wing evangelical conspiracy theories or are more interested in evangelizing than entertaining.
What's really funny in the conservative media sphere is that Gina Carano burned her bridges with Star Wars and Disney to make right-wing propaganda media with Ben Shapiro and her debut Western show is despised by said conservative audiences because it's about a strong woman defending her plot of land from mostly male aggressors. In other words, it's too woke and feminist.
Or that the stupid evil views they’re spouting today contradict the stupid evil views they were pushing yesterday.
And why explicitly conservative media is so bizarrely bad
so the audience have the IQ of a sponge?
Gamers: _"I don't want forced politics in my videogames!"_
Also Gamers: *Lists off their favorite **-totally apolitical-** gaming franchises* Metal Gear Solid, Fallout, Final Fantasy, Bioshock, StarWars, etc...
Edit: adding more franchises to the list for any good example responses.
They always mean "women and minorities being more than eye candy or tokens" when they say "political". 100% of the time.
I haven't been played Final Fantasy since the original on NES. Isn't it just a video game about magic?
"politics" to conservatives literally means theres a non-white straight male character in the media. All would be well to them if there were no minorities apparently.
The entire BioShock series...
@@erikfinkel2717usually by the end of any ff game, some form of rejection of the behavioral norms of the society has occurred, at least one kingdom/nation has crumbled due to war or political machinations and some form of god is fought and killed, but yeah their is magic too.
Spot on.
My mom and her new husband think the handmaid's tale is what would happen if Democrats plans come together.
That is absolutely baffling. I’m currently twisting my brain into a pretzel to understand that line of reasoning.
@@beccangavinoh that one is easy! You just have to think in terms of how conclusions follow from basic, unassailable axioms.
Democrats = Evil -> Democratic policies will ruin society -> A ruined society is naturally a result of democratic policies.
The show uses clear, recognizable visual language to depict a "bad", dystopian society. The viewer doesn't need to think or understand beyond that depiction, as told through music, cinematography, color choice, etc. They get that much.
So long as the "badness" is understood, the logic basically leaps itself all on its own.
@@Glamador So asking HOW democratic policies lead to that particular dystopian vision was the mistake. I knew I had to ignore how Republican policies could lead to that conclusion but…
OK. So there is a good guy team and a bad guy team and it doesn’t matter what specific actions anyone takes, the good guys will always be the good guys and the bad guys will always be the bad guys. Ugh, I hate that line of reasoning. Just think of all the atrocities the good guys can commit if their actions are not what defines their goodness.
My dad and I watched The Last Duel together, which is an amazing movie.
Content warning here for spoilers, and discussions of rape
If you don't know, the premise is that there are two knights, Matt Damon and Adam Driver. Adam Driver rapes Matt Damon's wife, Matt challenges Adam to a duel to see who's correct, and Matt wins. The story is told three times, first from Matt Damon's perspective, then from Adam's, then from the wife's
It is, quite obviously, a movie about the MeToo movement. There's even a point in the story where I swear another woman grabs the camera and makes sure everyone understands this.
The movie also has the line, "a woman can't get pregnant if she's raped, this is just science"
My dad's takeaway from this movie was that people in power like to falsely attribute things to science, like how people nowadays say, "the covid vaccine doesn't change your DNA, this is just science"
I honestly didn't realize anyone could miss the point of a movie so hard
WHAT
Actually hilarious because I just saw a Twitter thread of conservatives posting a clip from South Park about Cartman hating trans people and inclusion and thinking that meant the majority of people agrees with them. Not a single one of them realized that cartman is the catalyst for bad and that sharing his views does in fact make you the bad guy.
It makes me remember that time he happily led a Nazi march down the street.
@@ruffethereal1904 You add so much to the OP's comment, thank you. I am no longer vague on Cartman.
"Minorities (minorities), take over my waterpark (my waterpark)" I bet they loved that song, too.
People don't realize Eric Cartman is a mockery of far right extremism.
Cart man is a parody of idiots so it’s confuses me why they want to normalize anti-lgbt.
Years ago my conservative father and I had some awkward exchanges where I had to explain to him that Colbert was not a real conservative, he was mocking conservatives. He just couldn't see it.
so he watched the show and why did he think people were laughing?
I remember my government class was talking about political satire. My teacher asked us “who do you think Stephen Colbert is satirizing?”
And the smuggest, edgy conservative kid raised his hand and proudly said “liberals.”
I, who had watched Colbert as I was growing up, was shocked by how confident he was.
My teacher corrected him and the look on that kids face. It was a mix of shock and embarrassment. I thought he just assumed all satire is right-wing automatically and hasn’t actually watched the show.
But now I realize he probably DID see it, but couldn’t handle the fact that HE was being laughed at, HE’S the “facts and logic” boy, so they must be laughing at the stupid, wrong liberals after all.
@@shinerstheseagullthe kid still believed Colbert was satirizing liberals AND the liberals had infiltrated the teacher. They have no reason to care about reality, and they'll keep being wrong until we die or they do. Ideological cancer.
Ten bucks says Ben’s real problem had nothing to do with lack of zombies.
100%. He's a miserable, hateful shitheel.
I can't imagine what his real problem might have been...
I'm confused how being mad that a movie about zombies has no zombies in it is political? I didn't see it in theaters but I would assume those who did would want zombies. Ben Shapiro has a lot of bad takes why are we dragging him being mad that a zombie film has no zombies
@@thing_under_the_stairsCheck out this cool flag I randomly found: 🏳️🌈
Amazing how God's creation, the rainbow, is reflected in this flag. 😏
Ben is still pissed he coudn't make it in Hollywood. His mother was a studio exec, and he figured there would be always be a place for a no talent-twerp.
They don't even know that their religious savior was progressive. Apparently they are now complaining to ministers that the sermons from the new testament are liberal talking points.
Showing a diverse cast could be considered political in itself. By this criterion, a lot more than 15% of Star Trek is political.
Me: -reads post-
Me: -changes a white woman in my fighting game idea to a First Nation, leaving only two white characters in the roster-
Me: -has no regrets-
I can guarantee, that if the Original Star Trek came out today, conservatives would automatically accuse it of being woke, because of the multi-ethnicity.
I view conservative utterances through the lens of fear. Fear is what drives 100% of their hate. 100% of their fear comes from ignorance and laziness. If only there were some complexity there.
Not ignorance and laziness, also fear. Yes, their fear comes from fear. Their entire existence is a locked, eternal loop of fear. And they fear because they are raised in fear. Fear of physical violence-I’ve yet to meet a Conservative who doesn’t beat their child. Fear of being ostracized-you will be cut off even from family, in some cases, for being different or holding different views. Their lives are filled with nothing but fear from the earliest age. It is the fear that forces them to keep themselves ignorant. For them, ignorance is truly bliss. It’s sad, but I no longer feel sorry for them. If they haven’t been able look at what’s happening right now and be shocked out of their complacency, overcome their fear and do the right thing, then they are too far gone to change now.
They even start their idiotic rants with "Well what I'm afraid of..."
I didn't believe this when I was growing up. but now that I've moved to a red state for a job? it has been proven to me time and again
That's actually been proven in real studies, that people who are politically conservative all over the world tend to have outsized fear responses. My armchair speculation is that inconsistent and overly-harsh or unpredictable authoritarian parenting robbed a lot of people of their ability to deal with fear constructively so they tend to lash out and look to authority figures to correct the situation, but that part is just my completely unscientific hunch. The fear response thing is real and proven.
Take a look at that study that found that in people with conservative political views they found that the amygdala, the section of the brain that governs flight/fight responses and releases adrenaline, is larger and more active than in people who don't lean politically to the right.
I will always remember when one of my die hard conservative friends in 2012 asked me how I could like watching Colbert Report as a liberal because Stephen Colbert was a conservative and the show obviously was written for conservatives. He was a smart person too
Watching conservatives be baffled that Colbert wasnt conservative…
😂 c'mon for real? Did people really think Colbert Report was actually conservative? That blows my mind.
I don't believe this story.
@hiding_my_name Yes. Seriously. They are that deluded. My dad is a conservative and growing up he would only let us watch the Colbert Report but not the Daily Show. It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized why.
And then he wondered why I grew up to be a socialist when Colbert was like my idol back then. He also really isn't a dumb dude. Conservatism just warps the mind.
This is the difference between intelligence and wisdom. You can "know" many things without any clue what they mean.
First time here and haven't quite finished the video, but I do seem to recall there was a study done a while back that proposed that conservatives have a significantly diminished ability to engage with hypotheticals (which is basically ALL FICTION), and have a limited ability to utilize imagination in this regard.
So when they're presented with one they either get flustered or choose to filter it through their black and white worldview.
Conservative media analysis is actually incredibly fascinating to watch... And also infuriating, can't forget that 😂
That would also explain why so much conservative media is completely lacking in subtlety (e.g. how contemporary Christian music has to beat you over the head with its message over and over again)
I once saw a conservative guy on a discord unironically think that the Babylon Bee, a conservative parody news site, was a legitimate news source and not some shitty The Onion rip-off. He then threw a tantrum and threatened to have me arrested for pointing that out.
Arrested?? 😂😂😂 For what? Hurting his feelings? I once had someone on here threaten to call the cops on me for saying the word fuck. I thought it was just a dumb kid but I checked their profile and it was a grown ass man.
As someone who enjoys at least some Babylon Bee articles, wait, they’re REAL???
Really, what was his name?
I dont believe you.
@@memyself3275I fucking wish I was joking bro...
I had a colleague, who was my manager at one point, and he listed Rage Against The Machine as a band he liked. Dan was a pretty ardent conservative. He grew up in a wealthy neighborhood, his family owned several businesses which tended to be the type that employed a lot of low cost immigrant labor for maximum profit. His father also had a seat in local government and big supporter of the local police chief (which had some rumors of various issues). He pretty much followed in his father’s shoes helping run the business and everything.
I attempted to explain the irony of his like of Rage Against the Machine, and he had a hard time getting it. I read him lyrics and walked him through them. He basically dismissed them as just one way you could interpret the songs, as things are all in the eye of the beholder.
I then showed interviews and information from the band explaining their views and messages. His counter was that bands are for entertainment and nobody looks at music for meaning and other messaging. Just like how you can enjoy an actors work without agreeing with the personal views of the actor. Those elements are completely disjointed and need not overlap.
And I suspect this is how he goes through all his life. He sees things in encapsulated categories and your opinions and values are only valid for that particular situation. Many debates and conversations kind of lead down this same path. For example he held himself to be a staunch Christian, but didn’t really deal with giving/welfare/volunteering. He was a big supporter of deporting immigrants but his business depended on low cost high physical demands labor. He was a big fan of owning guns, admonished shootings, but didn’t think investing in screenings or mental health was worthwhile for our society. Each of these things when viewed in its own encapsulated bubble made sense. The controversy of ideas and morals never came to mind.
Your friend was able to compartmentalize everything into separate categories. I bet he hated it if any of his food touched other food. Conservatives lack self-awareness so severely that a conservative can rant about deporting Latins "back to Mexico" and then celebrate Cinco De Mayo without even the slightest sense of irony.
it seems like a lot of (American) conservatism boils down to maintaining cognitive dissonance through things like insularity, willful ignorance, and scapegoats in order to maintain its audience/supporters.
The willful denial is an integral part of any extremist movement in that regard. Nobody wants to consider themself a villain, so... most people just refuse to acknowledge when they are supporting some out of ignorance. I'm not American, but I remember a few of years ago just before a parliamentary election I had a discussion online with a girl whose boyfriend convinced her to vote for a far-right extremist party that poses as just a right-wing party "concerned" about immigration, you know the drill. So me and another user went and linked her their campaign program on their very own website and analyzed it point for point, going through the climate change denial, the social welfare cuts for the poor and tax cuts for the rich, the self-defeating isolationism, the hero-worshiping of Russia... and in the end her own arguments boiled down to "That's not what I've been told what they stand for, this must be a mistake... no, their website must have been hacked and someone uploaded a fake campaign program! I don't believe any of this!" There was absolutely no hope going through to someone who has made up their mind already, completely bought into the tribalism and refuses to accept any other reality than the one in their mind.
Conservatives don't have any moral principles at all. They respond to every situation by saying what is best for them in that moment.
Many people experience music as an energy, as a sound, on a purely sensual level. The notion that you can understand or encapsulate a person based on what music they listen to is just nonsense made up by pretentious fools. I've liked songs by people like David Bowie and Garbage, and I can assure you, you learn nothing about me by knowing that. But pretentious fools intimidate people, so very few dare to just blurt out the truth. The man you're referring to may well have enjoyed the music in question without ever giving the lyrics any literal thought. If I had to comprise a personal top 100, probably 65-70 would have little or zero lyrical import for me. And I don't think I'm the only one....Not when you consider some of the songs that achieve notoriety in our culture...
I met a conservative who said he appreciated that Comedy Central followed The Daily Show with it's conservative answer in The Colbert Report. Thought I was being ridiculous when I told him it was satire. He was an intelligence analyst.
Those same geniuses complain about how much Colbert changed when he got his late night show 😂
That's incredibly genius. Hire someone without critical thinking skills, have them make reports, and do the exact opposite.
why did he think people were laughing?
Jordan Klepper
Hope he’s able to analyze some intelligence for himself soon
They are conservative because they are media illiterate, not media illiterate because they are conservative.
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Did you know that Mill was an employee of the East India Company for decades, and he generally supported the colonization of India?
Ya, my dumb conservative friend thinks crime is up because 2 cars on his street got broken into. Crime was not a problem until that week!!
@@mitchbandes2245 how conservative of him
his quote was clearly a self-report
How many fucking times am I gonna see this quote in these comments
I love how with starship troopers and fight club being satire, conservatives love both of those so much not realizing they theyre being made fun of by the very thing they love.
The movie version of Starship Troopers was satirical. The book it's based on is an Old Man Yells At Cloud thing originally aimed at children from someone with zero live-fire combat experience bemoaning what was going on in the 1950s and simping hard for enlisted infantrymen. Verhoeven saw too many parallels between Heinlein's ideal society and the Nazi occupation he'd lived under and took it all to task. The whole only-veterans-can-vote thing was born out of how some veterans went full vigilante after society mysteriously collapsed in the late 20th century, imposed order upon chaos, and only trusted their own kind, and they kept the system in place simply because it was working.
Or the Constitution , it’s simply beyond their single brain cell
@@blackjac5000 I'd agree with you if the majority of Heinlein's novels weren't basically Libertarian self-made manly-man's man self inserts doing things in the space wild west. That being said, Starship Troopers is definitely "what are the merits of fascism?", but I wouldn't call it old man yells at clouds and bemoans society since its themes don't really match the rest of his works.
@@blackjac5000 Meanwhile, everyone I know who's a big fan of Starship Troopers bemoans the fact that the movie was too subtle in it's satire and criticism of fascist dog-whistles, the military-industrial complex, and otherism, suggesting people should read the book instead, because the movie comes off as pro-military propaganda, at times.
@@illadiel6049Go look at what was happening in 1950s America and say all of that again.
Conservatives miss the point often with anti-heroes. Tyler Durden, the Punisher, Homelander are not meant to be idolized.
Homelander's a anti-hero, is he? Lmao
Rorschach is the ultimate example of this. Do they not find the irony of loving a guy who couldn't accept the truth, so he demanded to he killed?
"It's a shame really. She was hunting the wrong animal. If she had been hunting rapists I would have helped her... given her a better hand gun and some advice."
@@randomnerd3402 He didn't want to go along with the lie, a false threat.
@@mykediemarthe couldn't bear to do the best thing rather than the right thing, he would rather die. This shows the limits of deontology. And no, there was no "other way", looking at real history the only reason we didn't destroy ourselves was pure luck.
My parents, who love Star Trek Enterprise: Everyone's always making up words to describe Trump. I've never even heard the word 'xenophobic' before he started running
Me, who remembers the whole season where they talk about xenophobia in Star Trek Enterprise: 😐
I’ve been a Trekkie much longer than I’ve been an ex-Christian conservative. I think I got past the cognitive dissonance partly because I was more of a humanist than I realized. 🤷♀️
So true. I can't count how many times right-wingers have taken a story from The Onion as true.
When I first found out people took THE ONION as truth I was dumbfounded. It's so obviously political satire and it's funny, yet somehow people actually think it's not.
To be fair, their older pieces do sound very similar to what's happening right now.
@@imperatoriacustodum4667 What tends to happen is that they react to the op-eds in the Onion, which are usually designed to be ridiculous, as real opinions. I remember watching a pro-life woman on Facebook go into a screaming meltdown over an Onion op-ed called "I'm Excited for my Abortion." I think in this instance why the satire flew over her head is because this particular op-ed mocks pro-life talking points on abortion by presenting a fake person who talks about abortion the way pro-lifers think pro-choicers view abortion. In reality no one is excited for abortion, no one gets pregnant intentionally just to get abortions, but that's what pro-lifers tell themselves. So the article just basically confirmed all of her biases about the pro-choice side.
@@ttt5205How about Fox "everybody knows we're just entertainment and can't be taken serious" News?
@@ttt5205Kind of scary actually.
I've been wondering this for 40 years. My family is conservative and religious and tried to indoctrinate me. But they also made mistakes like taking me to museums and watching science/cooking shows on PBS... It boggles my mind the 💩 they believe. Part of its a total lack of self awareness.
@@Eet_Mia Even though my parents sent me to a Christian school for my whole life I naturally reasoned at a very young (like younger than 7) that God couldn’t have a gender since every person was made in his image and not every person was male, and that he just used he/him because that’s what he was comfortable with.
To be fair, these are the people that took one of the most liberal progressive books of all time, The Bible and picked exactly the bits they wanted and conveniently forget the rest.
Liberal Progressive? What the hell are you talking about, if anything it can be considered radical and extremist to most liberals and genuinely left leaning people.
There is an entire fucking chapter or two describing the literal genocide of a people deemed insufferable and unsalvageable aka the Canaanites for doing acts alot of leftists would deem acceptable in today's worlds.
The City of Sodom and Gomorrah, where angels were sent to escort Lot and his family from the city that God literally wiped from the face of the planet for being deplorables and that literally tried to rape his Angels, which them swiftly blinded them all.
Oh and another verse that literally tells believers to not be influenced by this world or to conform to it's culture.
I was a political science major in school and I had a class about how Star Trek is political. The fact people can ignore that kills me inside.
Yeah I caught the political themes as a 9 year old kid. The original series especially wasn’t very subtle
@@andrewward5891 Truth. Even if my dad hadn't pointed it out to me when I was little, I think I would have realized it by the time I was 9.
Yeah, my parents, old school right leaning libertarians, brought me up on Trek. They used it to "teach" me how people could get along with a minimum of government influence and how government officials are people to be fought/struggled against. They used it to teach me how guns were tools not toys or replacement dicks, and in an ideal world everyone could carry them to make everyone safer. Also other talking points. Unfortunately for them I got the actual point of the show from an early age and it 'corrupted' me into one of those libs.
how do they see star trek as anti govt when starfleet is a govt organization?
@@Bongwater33 you know at one point, I was reading a webcomic that at first seemed only slightly right leaning. it made fun of star trek a bit, which I usually like (the orville etc.) but the jokes always seemed too one dimentional and silly. sort of a taking things too literally and as black and white. same with his understanding of technology, really.
anyways, at one point the main character is on the stand testifying against an underpaid poorly trained worker of a cost cutting corporation that had so badly cut the resources in their shuttle that a single stowaway would have gotten both of the occupants killed by asphyxiation of the limited oxygen supply. which nearly happened yadda yadda.
he starts tearing into the poor worker about the things he would have done to make it instead. things the worker had neither the knowledge or training to know. things that the main character, a highly trained well educated government agent, only knows because he is a Highly Trained Well Educated government agent.
Then he starts ranting about how this is all the governments fault. not for lack of regulation, but because this situation proves there is too much regulation. again this is a PRIVATE COMPANY that skimped and cost cut so badly it nearly killed someone.
conservatives are so blinded and willfully ignorant. his deeply flawed beliefs couldn't even make sense in his own completely made up world.
@@Bongwater33playing devil’s advocate here. like most media, star trek technically espouses ‘ubermensch’ ideas since it focuses on a single cast that resolves a ton of huge crises. kirk often shirks the official rulings of starfleet and makes monumental decisions with just his crew in the ready room because they aren’t accessible. also the federation is a weak central government in terms of its influence on the planets it “rules.” pretty much every starfleet higher-up is an antagonist, just like internal affairs in a cop show. the crew usually convinces people that something is wrong instead of arresting anyone or conquering any planets, which reflects the idea of ‘consent of the governed,’ without significant pressure from the central government
the rest of ‘star trek’ is pretty leftist though
I would think in an ideal world, no one would need to carry because safety wouldn’t be a concern?
This - my dad is super conservative (moreso now than previously, but definitely so in his base views) and has always been racist, xenophobic, and anti-immigration and anti-LBTQ+.
He loved shows like Star Trek and we grew up watching them religiously in our household. My brother and I "got it" and he just - can't seem to?
To the point that he accused me of being brainwashed by higher education once (also probably due to that being a big conservative talking point).
My comeback was "Do you honestly not remember me arguing with you about this stuff when I was 7? 10? 13? 18?" because I grew up with Star Trek and Ferngully and the Dragonlance novels, Ursula LeGuin, Anne McCaffrey, etc. Not to mention that my degree is in Economics, not really known to be the most liberal major out there.
And he asked what "radicalized" me then. And I told him, and added, "and also, I can tell right from wrong". Which addition he was extremely irate about.
Got into a confusing argument with a dude at a convention who was baffled when I said Tolkein was anti-war in his themes and writing.
He claimed the books were simply escapist and I shouldn't bring so-called "woke" politics into LotR. Despite the fact that the Hobbit basically ends with one of the main characters dies bemoaning that their society places too much emphasis on glory and greed.
Don't even get me started on all the anti-war messages in the more widely acclaimed trilogy. Every character from Gandalf and Treebeard to even some of the orcs bemoan the role of war in their lives.
It's not as if these creators don't often have a large body of outside work we can go to and ask, either.
Like the conservatives who say "The Founding Fathers™®© meant THIS" when we have all of their other writings.
"It doesn't actually SAY 'separation of church and state'" they'll say, ignoring - well - everything else they wrote.
I think even Tolkien himself denied [I think I read, I haven't checked deeper] the influence of his experience with war, but it's still blantently there.
Oh and don't forget the "no man can kill me." -> removes her helmet -> "I am no man." -> kills him. For when it was written that was brilliant and VERY progressive. Nowadays, if that happened in a movie, the internet would shut down from all the traffic from right wingers complaining about that lazy woke pandering.
I wonder what he'd think of the anti-industrialist and environmentalist themes.
Did he use Tolkein's comments about disliking allegory as a shield? ("I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence.") - Something along the lines of "You shouldn't interpret it politically because Tolkein hated allegory," maybe? I know I've seen that response to political interpretations of his works.
In case he did, or you wind up in another conversation with someone who does, that quote ends with "I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." - Explicitly giving permission to readers to interpret his works politically, even if it is not allegorical.
But his views on allegory aren't as steadfast as that quote, even with its full context, suggests: "The only perfectly consistent allegory is a real life; and the only fully intelligible story is an allegory. And one finds, even in imperfect human 'literature', that the better and more consistent an allegory is the more easily it can be read 'just as a story'; and the better and more closely woven a story is the more easily can those so minded find allegory in it."
Additionally, about LotR specifically, Tolkein himself called it an allegory: "Of course my story is not an allegory of Atomic power, but of Power."
Someone once tried to argue to me that One Piece, a series draped in the themes of the liberation and emancipation movement, is actually right wing and "deeply religious" by comparing the return of a certain god-like savior character to the 2nd coming of Jesus to cleanse the world.💀
A huge reason so many people enjoy the Last of Us is because it isnt JUST about the zombies or (arguably) isn't primarily about the zombies, but the human connections and schisms in a post apocalyptic world. People fell in love with the game because of the compelling story and the relationship with Joel and Ellie, not how cool the zombie headshots are.
Imagine the freakout some people would have if they were told that the Last of Us (game) was actually about how Joel fails to overcome his toxic masculinity 😂
Unironically, this is a totally legitimate reading of the game.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz I think that undersells the game tremendously, altho I agree it is a theme.
Seeing conservatives singing along to American Idiot by Green Day, always brings a smile to my face 😂
Especially because Billie Joe is a VERY staunch liberal. Lol
@@roxycauldwell544 We liberals prefer being called "wild eyed." 😅
To be fair there's probably a non zero percentage of conservative green day fans who mainly like that song because it lets them say the f slur without getting called out for it
@@anarchistangel2314 100% why for some people lol
@@anarchistangel2314 That's why they love songs with the n-word in it too
The query to be asked is this, if the conservatives were media literate, would they remain conservative for long? It is doubtful.
I came here to type this.
I think it’s the other way around really. They’re media illiterate because they’re conservative. Reactionary politics necessitates neutering your critical thinking skills.
The answer, at least in my personal experience, is no. I was raised in a conservative Christian home where I was fed blatant propaganda that I was told to never question (like that Hillary Clinton sacrifices babies to Satan) but I have always been naturally curious, like most kids are, and started asking questions anyways. I mean, it really doesn’t take much reasoning to see that it doesn’t make any sense that someone who supposedly sacrifices babies has never been charged with murder. And it seems fairly obvious that someone like Jesus wouldn’t be racist or homophobic (and he’d probably befriend them before any conservative anyways) but it seems the message just flies over their heads.
We were literally crying at the end of that Last of Us episode. We didn't even know how they could try to have another episode. That was really...like, it's something I have to be psychologically prepared to watch again. How can you watch it and not have a strong sympathetic if not empathetic reaction to them?
Zombie shows really magnify the human experience; they put humans into a stress posture and see what happens.
are you not always stressed? or is it just a minority thing lol
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow case in point......
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnowand here we have exhibit A:
Minds are like parachutes: they only function properly when open.
One of the constant things I've seen with conservative acquaintances or parents of friends is this phenomenon where as soon as they see a character in a show or film that they identify with ideologically, all further examination or thought about that character's role or place in the story or overall work ceases. This was especially prevalent with Homelander in The Boys. So many conservative dads who realized they super agreed with Homelander's worldview and never even considered how the show was depicting him or where he fits in the story. This is, I'm convinced, why the recent season making it extremely explicit that Homelander is a bad person who enjoys the company of literal Nazis caused an uproar with that crowd, because they'd never been forced to confront the reality of that aspect of the character before. This is why they're so shocked and appalled when something they like turns out to be "political," in a way they don't agree with. They've never thought about it before. Their engagement with the work through the character they like is literally "Hey that's me!" and nothing further.
i can't even comprehend that conservatives don't see the message in goddamn The Boys, this show is so goddamn explicit how tf can you not get it ?
So that's why they like 'Literally Me" characters such as Tyler Durden, Travis Bickle, and Patrick Bateman!
That reminds me of the Punisher. Taken from tvtropes:
As of 2023, the iconic Punisher skull logo has been adopted by various far-right extremist groups, as well as by some law enforcement and even military personnel. This has not gone unnoticed at Marvel, and is definitely not appreciated. Co-creator Gerry Conway has said he's disturbed that far right extremists, as well as various military and police forces have co-opted the logo of a character that is both explicitly anti-authority and is a disturbed man whose crusade against crime isn't something anybody should want to emulate. Garth Ennis has similarly voiced his disgust, calling right wing rioters that were seen with the symbol "halfwits" who don't understand the character.
@@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme After reading all of Crossed it's really hard to take Garth Ennis seriously when he says shit like that because holy shit he revels in drawing the most fucked up shit you can possibly think of
@@SefirothPHenjoying dark material doesn't make you a conservative or mean you'd be pro right wing. He's been very open about his anti right wing stances for decades. Stephen King has written awful shit worse then Ennis still not right wing
For the more public conservative figures, there’s also the grift element, be it money or votes. Some of them absolutely do understand the messages and themes in media, but they can’t acknowledge it at all otherwise they grant those messages a sliver of legitimacy and that risks irking their own audience who may turn on them.
Yeeep. We saw this happen with Fox, even.
One can make themselves very wealthy selling what conservatives want to buy. They are easily the most predictable and reliable consumers of society. This is particularly true when you challenge their privilege, traditions or manhood.
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It boils down to conservatives take everything literally. There’s a video of Ben Shapiro criticizing the song Imagine by breaking it down line by line taking each of them literally with no imagination whatsoever. It’s hard to pick up on political undertones if you don’t have the imagination it takes to understand someone might be saying more than they are literally saying
Ahhh yes, Ben Shaprio's infamous analysis of Imagine's 'pretentious' chord progression
For some reason I'm reminded of the Muppet skit where Sam the Eagle espouses that he will sing a "true American song" and chooses "American Woman" because it's a well known song and has the title "American" in it. But then as soon as he starts actually singing the lyrics he's quickly taken aback and enraged by what the song is actually about and horrified that it turns out it was written and performed by a Canadian band
The fact that they didn't know that the Boys was lampooning them until season 3 is pure hilarity.
They didn't know the Colbert Report was a comedy show. They don't know that Fight Club is Juvanalian Satire.
I'll admit that I tend to be a very literal person when it comes to what I watch, and I rarely catch subtext or foreshadowing.
The thing is, when it does get pointed out to me by others, my reaction isn't "nuh uh, you're lying", it's "ooh, that's clever".
I *love* the fact that so many works of art contain all these layers to dig into, especially when you spot them on a rewatch.
Same. And I'm autistic. And I was raised conservative and left it.
What's their excuse?
@@klavczarkalafan4191 Pride, probably. The idea that the beliefs they’ve held their entire lives are wrong hurts their egos and makes them double down into “I can’t be wrong” territory
I’ve witnessed this firsthand with my hyper-conservative Christian stepmother. Her favorite shows include Star Trek and South Park. It baffles my mind that she just doesn’t see the irony
That last comment about how progressives can also miss things is very very true. An example of this I found was the song "the town inside me" that is the character theme for Bridget from guilty gear strive. the song is very bluntly about her experience discovering that she is a transgender woman, the discomfort of living life feeling like something is wrong, to then realise how to live comfortably and happily. And yet when I heard this song and broke down crying in how this power ballad encapsulates so much of my lived experience with some emtaphors I felt were almost too blunt, so many cis people I had to explain how "I hate the alarm clock I chose" is a metaphor for waking up with dysphoria. and things like that. Theres so many details of small or big importance that are easy to miss.
I always saw that line as more how she couldn't put her finger on what was wrong, so she just pins it on something petty, like her alarm clock. Your more direct comparison is interesting.
but then again, at least is something relativelly dificult to get if you aint trans, or maybe not dificult but where you wouldnt realize it at first, but then you got such easy to see messages from progressive shows and conservatives dont get it
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043tbf even I didn't notice that and I'm trans
"Wait... Homelander is a villain?"
Sheesh.
Conservatives literally did think Homelander was a good guy until some started to suspect last season that he might actually be a supervillain.
Probably the same people who read or watched Watchmen and identified with Rorschach. Alan Moore said that whenever a fan told him that, he'd think "Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me, never come anywhere near me again as long as I live?"
I feel like the show writers bend over backwards to tell you that he's evil every chance they get, I genuinely do not know how someone could still see him as a good guy past season 1.
LOL. Homelander is Rump.
@@goober324it's quite awkward when the goals of early childhood education (3-5 years old) has goals of development that religious infantilsation keeps from adults
Ah, yes, the “subtext is all in your head and cinematography is meaningless; nothing that isn’t explicitly spelled out is you reaching” crowd
And then when something is explicitly spelled out that they don't agree with, they pretend they "just wished there was more subtlety" and "why is this being shoved in my face"
Comics fans are the worst about this. "Stop making my comics political! I love X-men, a series created about bigotry in the middle of the Civil rights movement!"
Whenever I see something like that, I always hope some fake news satire site will make the headline "Lifelong fan complains about property turning into thing it always was"
Haha. It's been like this ever since the announcement of X-Men '97 "they gonna make it political!"... it's not like THE VERY FIRST EPISODE of X-Men is about them sabotaging a government facility to destroy the registry of mutants to be hunted down by Sentinels or anything.
Gamers™️ are about as bad to be honest. There’s a popular conservative meme going around that classifies Metal Gear Solid as a “non political” game.
@@Eidlones The funniest thing is that is wouldnt even be fake news
Its always those guys too who will then turn around and say "Wolverine is my favorite X-Man!"
Ah yes, Wolverine, a character famous for representing the status quo and not a miserable outcast shunted to the sidelines of society merely because of who he was at birth, something he had no control over, and consequently must sell his soul to the very governments that abandoned him just to find some sort of acceptance and belonging just to be immediatly cast to the side again. He's definitly written with you in mind, definitly not supposed to be a representation of poor and marginalized communities being chewed up and spat out by the military industrial complex.
“Richmen north of richmond” had a similar receiving.
This also applies to Star Wars to a degree, and it is funny when I see conservatives associating with the Rebellion, while their ideals are much more in line with the Empire.
No.. they couldn't possibly make that mist-- No...
Yeah, what's with that!? Do they use the term 'Rebel' as a dogwhistle for 'Confederate'?
The empire was always space Nazis. The stormtroopers - the unspoken goal of the empire is to maintain human supremacy - that's why all stormtroopers and the Moffs are human and the poor people relegated to shady bars, and many of the members of the alliance, are other races isn't it?
It's great to show those conservatives the video of George Lucas and James Cameron discussing Star Wars, and George Lucas *explicitly* saying that he modeled the Rebel Alliance after the Viet Cong.
I remember when Episode 3 came out, and it getting a lot of flack for the plot (a tyrant pretending to be democratic but using an engineered crisis to rise to power, kill his ideological opponents and make himself supreme ruler) being political and a critique of the Bush administration.
On conservatives and media literacy, what can I say except:
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Data getting his gift from Q!
I loved that episode - “Darmok” really explores how we communicate through the language of mythology and way too many people dismiss this as “just another story about weird aliens.”
I NEED to mention my take on conservative Barbie commentary here.
Is that conservatives are not only bad at interpreting media they like when those media disagree with them. They are also TERRIBLE at interpreting media they hate, even if having a better understanding of the media would validate their hatred of it.
In Greta Gerwig's 2023 Barbie movie, Barbie has a character arc about finding meaning to her existence. She rejects being a stereotypical barbie, she rejects finding meaning in girls getting to play with her, she rejects finding meaning in being a consummer product, and, finally, she has a scene where she meets her creator, and she decides to become mortal to find meaning by existing for herself, in a scene that is extremely reminiscent of the original sin from the Bible, but casts Eve, through Barbie, not as sinful temptress inducing the fall of humanity, but as a Promethean heroic figure who allowed humanity to make its own meaning.
Nobody is gonna convince me this is unintentional or that I'm reaching. Gerwig fought too hard to include the scene where Barbie tell and older woman that she is beautiful ("I know it") as a set up for this conversation about getting older and self-affirmation, Barbie search for meaning is marked by 3 rejections before comes acceptance and Gerwig even said "If this (the old lady scene) isn't in the movie, I don't know what this movie is about".
It would be extremely astute, litterate and observant for a conservative to make the argument that the Barbie movie is pro-sin. That it encourages people to find meaning away from God. That is the main theme of Barbie's character arc. It is not subtle - it is even complete with a leaving of an ideal world/paradise where life is the perfect day every day, to enter Earth, the becoming mortal, and it ends with Barbie being susceptible to childbirth. And the movie doesn't frame this as a tragic fall, but celebrates it as a journey of joy.
It is a profoundly existentialist, humanistic movie. Humanistic in the "Humans pretending to be God" sort of way that religious conservatives despise.
But I swear, of all the criticism and even hatred and anger that conservatives have had of The Barbie movie - they said it was woke, they said it was anti men.
But none of them picked up that, from a religious conservative perspective, it is also PRO SIN.
And this boggles my mind. It's ***right there***. Ben Shapiro. He is a religious fundamentalist. I know he knows the story of the Fall. Why didn't he pick this up?
You'd think conservatives would be bad at understanding media that they love who disagree with their views. But they are also terrible at understanding movies they hate that disagree with their views.
That bit about conservatives interpreting media they like to be apolitical reminds me of a common phrase that Fact Fiend busts out: If you genuinely think that a piece of media is apolitical, then either you agree with its politics, or you are too stupid to understand them.
Conservatism is about preserving old beliefs and not challenging them. It's cool to call that out.
It's more about venerating fictional idealization of old beliefs and attempting to (re)establish said beliefs ultimately regressing civilization.
Progressives dont challenge their own assumptions and beliefs either.
All statist lean on defaulting to the illegitimate authority of men with guns who make threats of violence if you dont conform to their edicts that have no basis of consent.
Conservatism was nobility's method of maintaining the position they held within the monarchy, which was being pushed out by the new democratic society.
"Conservatism is about preserving old beliefs"
Sometimes the old beliefs aren't even real old beliefs. Like...Jesus was extremely clear about being pro-immigrant, welcoming foreign strangers into your land, it's impossible to read the Bible and not notice that. But they seem to have no problem quickly rejecting that one while claiming to be serious about their Christianity.
The conservate values are everyone's values they've just managed to hijack them as their own,like the flag and anything patriotic. The problem is from those that say they're conservative are the ones that don't follow their beliefs
Ah, _The Last of Us._ The show that gave us the line, "This is a commune. We're communists." And, yet, somehow half the people watching said, "Yeah, but no, not like that."
😂
Did the seize the means of production?
@@marseldagistani1989What means of production are there to seize in an apocalypse? And from who? Abandoned farms?
@@TheRenegade...You prop up a few scarecrows of landlords and then lead a mock red army to "liberate" those fields from the clutches of the elite. That's how we seize the means of production in an apocalypse and keep ourselves entertained as well.
I love that this was an explicit conversation in the show as well
"This is communism"
"No, we're just all working together and there's no money"
"Yeah, that's communism"
I’m 45 years old. As a child, I grew up watching Mash and Star Trek TNG with my dad. Which is why, while sitting at my kitchen table in my own home, after discussing his hospitalization for covid, I was dumbfounded he told me I needed to be watching Hannity. I just looked at him and said “I am not watching him”.
There was recently Starship Troopers discourse discussing how it blatantly satire but conservatives can't seem it and fall for it
One thing I have found is that there is a tendency to be extremely literal with art.
To give an example, when I put out the video "The Rape Culture of Certain Old Westerns" where I talked specifically about how male writers and directors were CHOOSING to make these rape scenes in a certain way- displaying women as really wanting to be sexually assaulted and just lying about it, for instance- I got constant comments that actually those women really wanted to be sexually assaulted and just lying about it. If I had really watched the movies, I would know that.
At least once a week, for years.
Trying to tell people that actually my point was that this was true but those scenes didn't fall out of the sky, they were written by men who had certain attitudes- well, it was just impossible to get that message through.
The same idea that every episode of a "zombie show" must have zombies. 'What if we did an episode on how a couple might survive during a zombie apocalypse, one that reflected our themes and mirrored the struggle of our protagonists, but in a different way?"
No, there must always be zombies.
This media literalism is absolutely bizarre. I suspect Undoomed had some checklist of "political things" and if those political things weren't explicitly and directly talked about on the show it was as if they didn't exist. I'd say it would be interesting to know how he judged whether the episodes were political but that would imply that Undoomed had ever, at any point, done something interesting. And that's just not possible.
And let's not forget the piece of literature Conservatives most commonly misunderstand: the Bible. Although that's probably it's own 20 minute video. Maybe actually an hour or two.
The Bible is a great example of another phenomenon. People consuming a work second hand. Most Christians haven't read the book, they know it through commentary. This allows the problematic parts to simply be ignored.. when they are addressed, it's through a very skewed view that already has come to their conclusions. Most people saying Star Trek isn't political very likely only saw it when young, and have since only consumed it through UA-camrs reacting to the new series.
It's worth noting most religious people don't actually believe in their God. They think they are god and use religion as a way to give divine authority to their positions.
honestly with enough work you can interpet that book as anything you want
honestly, there's enough content out there, that we could reasonably assume the resulting video would have been at least a few days of run-time if we wanted to be thorough. We'd have to cut a lot though. 😆
Jesus only turned the other cheek because AR-15s hadn’t been invented yet, would be a whole different dude in 2023.
That's a whole old school documentary miniseries with at least eight two hour parts for the old testament alone. The concept of context becomes alien the further you get into conservatism.
If Star Trek TNG came out today they'd be complaining about it being "woke"
I was talking to this Conservative on 9gag and he believed that Al Bundy of Married With Children was some sort of a protagonist rather than an object of satire. I tell you, my eyes almost flew out of their sockets.
Well, Al Bundy and Homer and Eric Cartman manage to blend loveable elements with dumbass reactionary tendencies.
Kurt really hit the nail on the head, didn't he?
"He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means"
Those kids are never going to get famous with the mumbling and long hair and noise. They don't even have a piano player.
No shit, I've watched a gun-loving, Trump-supporting, anti-woke redneck sing this at karaoke. Had a good laugh with my friend. Dude totally killed the song, too, so I have to believe he was a big fan of Kurt Cobain. Wild stuff.
The actor who played Archie Bunker, Carroll O'Conner, was actually a very liberal in his personal politics. The writer and actor portrayed him as a dated caricature dealing with a world that was leaving his beliefs behind to send a message via his over the top antics, but it was clear even then that it was too subtle for conservative viewers.
It was inspired by the UK TV show Till Death Us Do Part, with a similar setup, and the Actor (Warren Mitchell) who played the equivalent character (Alf Garnett) was very much different than the one he played ... but many had the same reaction and thought the was a right winger .... which he most certainly was not ...
Yes, watch “In The Heat Of The Night”. I loved that show.
There's a Norman Lear interview on the site where he says that Archie was "a man afraid of tomorrow" due to his upbringing but wasn't the type of person who'd participate in a cross-burning.
Conservatives also missed the part where at the end of most episodes, Archie was always the butt of a joke.
I remember seeing a comment once about how the original Star Wars trilogy wasn’t political, unlike the Last Jedi. And I remember thinking Star Wars????? The movie series explicitly about freedom fighters taking down a fascist government???? That’s not political???
Its like when people got upset The Boys Season 3 ended claiming "Wow they had to get political with this show" It always was openly against Conservatism.
I'm reminded of a conseravtive friend I used to know. We played music together often. He became a fan of Erasure. He went to see them play live and came back disturbed. The lead singer came out on stage in a ballet tutu. He never realized they were gay. I was floored, I mean, some of their songs are openly specifically about the gay experience. He said he never listens to Lyrics, they are unimportant to the enjoyment of the song. I realized he was the only friend who never sang when in a car full of singing friends.
Willful ignorance. That's what it is.
How the fuck are you gonna be an Erasure fan and not listen to the lyrics? How the fuck can you be a fan of *music with lyrics* and not listen to the lyrics? That’s incomprehensible to me. Even when I listen to songs in languages I don’t speak, I’m still hearing lyrics cause that’s part of the song that *makes it sound like the song*.
@Mordrevious You can still enjoy the melodic tones of the vocals without properly understanding them. It happens a lot when listening to singing in foreign languages (e.g. Cheb Mami’s accompanyment in “Desert Rose”) and even sometimes if the lyrics are misheard (c.f. Weird Al’s “Smells Like Nirvana”). And some musicians, like Andy Bell, use a lot of gender-neutral lyrics so they can resonate with people of any gender and any orientation.
Hasn't Fox argued in court that their shows like Carlson and Hannity are satire and no reasonable person would believe what they say?
I mean only unreasonable people believe what they say.
I feel like people need to go through that and publicly site it, and encourage as many people to read through that as possible.
@AlexandarHullRichter the problem is that the people that really need to read it will never read it. Same way that fact-checking people like Donald Trump has resulted in exactly zero changed minds and hearts.
Yes, that was real. It would be hilarious if people didn't actually believe it,
They argued entertainment rather than specifically satire, but yeah.
I heard Dennis Prager say in an interview that only something like 10% of his UA-cam content is political. 😳
things are only political when I disagree with them
Lol. I appreciate how straight-forward you are. If only we could reach them, but I've never found anything that has worked consistently. It's easy enough to shut people up with good sources and consistent challenges and examples, but getting them to actually understand is another problem entirely.
Even when they do absorb what I have to say, they almost immediately just slot it into their existing worldview and ignore how it touches on every other view they have.