Kia has no SOUL... & No Throttle Response!! (+ Transducer GIVEAWAY WINNER!)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This 2015 Kia Soul starts up but BARELY runs.
Accelerator pedal does absolutely nothing.
Can we quickly pinpoint the problem with 100% accuracy?
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Ivan
Nice job Ivan! Sawzall would make this a no parts required for the record haha
I think the customer unofficially fixed the "restriction" NPR using a prybar and a hammer 👌🤣
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics LoL 🤣😆
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I don't even know how to do that... 🤞🙄
That's right ! Cut that sum bitch off 😂😂😂
Hey quick question for ivan, why not replace the fuel pump too if the oil smells terribly like gas? I understand it wasn't the main concern but if that fuel pump is leaking into the oil and causing a rich condition couldn't that clog the cat?
Good diagnosis there. These kia souls that have the 1.6 L are notorious for having clogged converters because they have an oil consumption problem. I I have seen where you can do an oil change then put 1,000 miles on and be over a quart low on the dipstick, with no signs of oil burning.
my 1.2 L kia soul does this, its so bad i've already replaced the catalytic converter twice from it straight up melting. Now facing a problem again where its probably the same thing :(
quicker check is a temp gun on cat.
Not conclusive... And you have to lift up the car 😅
First lol finally 😂
you're second
How are people not ashamed to bring a car to the shop looking like a trash can ?
I was asking myself the same thing. I wouldn't touch such a filthy car...
Ditto. Would deny service because of bio hazards
The interior is used as a garbage dump?
Owner of that car probably looks like a Hamburger
You need to sell Eric "O" a transducer at twice the price. I do have a question, if the oil smelled of fuel did you mention that to the technician, and did they replace the high-pressure pump? I am only a keyboard follower and Diy guy but following you and Eric's diags makes me think that not fixing the fuel problem can only destroy another CAT.
Same position as you and had the exact same thought. Cat got killed because of mixture being rich because of the high pressure fuel pump pushing fuel into the crankcase. If the pump is bad, another cat is going to be a victim very soon.
Interested to hear others opinions.
@@dans_Learning_Curve Think the plan is to get it running and check those fuel #'s. We will all find out ;)
@@FixthisCD ^ THIS ^
But what killed the cat?
Probably time for an 02 sensor.
My guess is a bad high pressure fuel pump pushing fuel into the crankcase. Could be wrong.
Or, could be curiously! LoL 😂😆
Awesome diagnosis as usual but there is a recall on those cats so they might have got one for free at the dealer unless it already had the recall done some time ago. When it sounds muffled like that and you have a hard brake pedal from no vacuum go right for a restricted exhaust. Nice job as usual getting to the problem quickly.
Congrats Chad, been a long-time subscriber myself, since 1/2/2016 on my other channel. Seen you on a SMA video, even longer sub there LOL. You guys are awesome, hope you and Eric never stop what you're doing. You guy's help out so many people
The lesson is you need to know how to use a scope. And go buy a PHAD pressure transducer. I used mine just the other day on a Nissan Frontier. After the other tech couldn't say yes or no after removing the oxygen sensor I went in and put my PHAD pressure transducer in cylinder. And had 30 psi in the exhaust pocket. Took me 10 minutes.
Love it!
Then his is not a tech.
@@2nickles647 he's still learning. Hopefully, he learned something.
Something made the cat clog up. Right? So there must be another issue somewhere that caused the cat to clog surely. My gdi engine done the same. Cat clogged. Disconnected it and the cars been fine, until a few days ago. Even with the cat unhooked, I have minimal power for acceleration, hard starting, soft brakes, and very bad gas mileage. New plugs, oil, air filter. No check engine except the O2 and cat together. No blow by, and gas in my oil. Please help
Ivan you never mentioned the fix for fuel being dumped was the pump faulty or was it being dumped due to misfire? Thanks great use of pressure sensor love your work as always. 👌👌
Ivan.. You should charge an Extra $25.00 Per Hour on top of your normal labor rate having to work around all the NASTY trash inside the car!
Your confidence on camera has improved drastically from when you started producing videos.
Keep the great content coming!
Keep in mind, hindsight is always 20-15! A saying your wife might enjoy being an optometrist!
Perfect!
Please hurry and fix it,
It looks like someone is living in it.
Tip: if oil pulls away from sides of stick, has gas/fuel in it.
works for Diesels too.
Thank you! Nice tip!
Just for my learning = wasn't the down stream O2 sensor pegged at 0.450-0.455V an early give away?
Love your work Ivan!
Not sure... Wouldn't even look at the downstream O2 signal if the car can barely idle 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics fair point. I just meant when you were showing the PID's while it was running and trying to rev it. The O2 wasn't great but was reading something whereas the downstream didn't move the whole time.
My only logic was that ofcourse it wouldn't move if the cat was as choked out as it ended up being.
P.S. Once you have a pressure transducer. Can you see any use for a pulse generator?
Had a VW Golf with no throttle response after about hour diag looked like throttle body was bad. When I went to replace throttle body, I found one of those blue paper shop towels stuffed in the throttle body. Removed it, car ran perfect and no more CEL
People clean out your cars before taking them for service.
Techs don't want to have to deal with other peoples garbage
Nice diag! Had a kinda similar case last week. 2018 volkswagen polo HPFP was leaking gas to crankcase and eventually customer just drove the car even when CEL was on for weeks. Only had P0420 stored even though the rich-mixture was the real cause! Cat was toast. Observe fuel rail pressure after shutting down the engine. It may reveal a leak in the HP-system.
A 2018 cat was pooched? How does that happen?
@@brandonsnider7907 I mean it was not clogged, but shattered internally. I assume it got overheated and burned because it was running waaaaay rich. Had only 24k miles
There are tsbs and recalls on this engines and cats as well, pretty much every Kia or Hyundai.
It made it past the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. That's about all you can expect from these
У нас в России Киа/Хёндай сыпяться как спички. Разрушаются катализаторы до 10 000 пробега и задирают цилиндры. Качество китайского хлама
You'd have to be a total idiot to buy a Hyundai/Kia when German brands exist.
a clean car is a happy one
Old school vacuum gauge would find it
I Did No Get It How That Afect The PSI?
Converter is restricted so get elevated pressure on the exhaust stroke 🙂👍
I love your videos Ivan as always. You inspire me to be the best Mechanic i can be, I look forward to being able to buy a transducer kit in the next couple weeks.
Garbage clogging something up?
people who leave trash in their cars are, most of the time, gross people. I get maybe a wattle bottle but how hard is it to bag up fast food wrappers while you're at the gas station?
I have a fluke pv350 that I have had for a very long time and it still works great , new ones are very expensive and I have heard they are not as good for scope use .
If my transducer fails i would not hesitate to buy yours , very fair price and seems to work awesome 👍
finally my friend ivan needs a fuel pump or not?
What kind auto repair shop can not diagnose a bad cat an needs to call in a 3rd party tech?
I didn't win the transducer but the knowledge I get from you is worth a million bucks God bless you Ivan
I got this one Ivan, SUBWAY wrapper in the tailpipe!! for the win.
2015 isn't very old but 150K miles is near end of a good life. So the interior beyond the driver's seat looks great yet the cars a problem waiting to happen if you bought it. Not bad repair for a high milage car, this is probably a country car with a lot of 50mph+ driving, but a car with this milage would not be my road trip car. You can go to online sights and do searches, move the milage slider to 150K, KIA was not significantly worse percentage wise but only 5% of cars were over 150K which is a reliability measure.
My experience with Kia/Hyundai is the convertors are just BARELY able to pass emissions in the US when brand new. I'd bet this car had very few if any tune-ups. Just drove it till it quit. Worn-out plugs eat convertors.
That really depends on the car. For some 150K is the end, for others is not that much... Mine's at over 200k miles and still going alright. I only use it for long road trips, otherwise I don't use it much at all.
What would you recommend for Dyi OB 2 scan tool ? Nothing fancy ! Thanks Jim
I would really like to know the answer also! Strong DIYer here. Can't justify $3000 on a scope just to use every 6-12 months if or when my CEL comes on.
I have the SnapOn "Red Brick" which is only good up to 2005. Currently, my newest vehicle is a '03 Forester.
A friend if mine told me that he seen a kia soul with a sticker that read: god bless mah soul. That was cool.
Don't own anything GDI and/or Turbocharged. Scotty is right.
If he could say it without yelling, I probably would still be a subscriber...
@Dan's Learning Curve Old yeller
The 2015 Kia's have a known engine issue with piston slap and or stuck oil control rings. They burn oil and kill the cat. I have one, hate the motor but like the car. Its a shame the motors are crap. :(
Have a case for you. 2011 Kia Sorento, 2.4L engine, had funky shift issues for some time (its my daughters vehicle) but then it got to where it has really poor acceleration, lack power especially on hills. My son-in-law put new spark plugs in it, did not help. I took vehicle home, checked compression, it was fine. Checked fuel pressure, it was okay. Everything checked out, no codes. Ended up pulling transmission and put in new torque converter, rebuilt one actually and replaced wiring harness as that is a known problem. Still had same behavior and still no codes. Went ahead and replaced throttle body which has the TPS built into it, still have problems, went through some transmission relearn procedures, seemed better but not great, this morning same problem and still no codes. Pulled fuel pump, looks pretty clean, almost looks new. Don't know what's going on and even more frustrating because not getting any codes.
Son of a Physicist becomes mechanic and designs and sells a pressure transducer. Yup. That's normal. BTW, your Dad might happen to know a particular Russian nuclear physicist at Jefferson lab. I've worked with him on several occasions. Every time I speak with him I hear that line from Ghostbusters in my head, "You never studied.".
Good work. Any concern there might be a root cause to the CAT failing?
Maybe a stupid question or thought could u have found the problem with a compression tester if u knew the what that engine should have for compression. My thought is it should read really high with that badly plugged cat or am I wrong
You couldn't measure the pressure on the exhaust stroke with a compression tester. You'd get the pressure of the compression stroke.
What about the gas in the oil though?
Any particular reason the CAT was clogged? Just old age and 152,000 miles of use?
I’m having the same issue with my 2014 Kia Sorrento and I’ve gone through four throttle bodies in a year. I wonder if I also need a catalytic converter and an oil change😂
that car looks like a trash can 🗿
I figured that was the problem. I had a 1966 Mustang that did the same thing. Took it to my brothers shop and he had me accelerate while he went to the rear and put his hand over the tail pipe. No pressure, took the muffler off, opened it up and sure enough a baffle broke in the muffler and blocked it. Replaced the muffler and back to racing around town, and did not have no fancy equipment in the sixties. lol
Gracias por tan bueno video soy un fiel fan me gustaria tener uno de esos gracias aprendo cada dias mas Contigo.,.,
What about the gas in the oil? Once the converter is installed, does that go away due to pressures? You didn't clarify that and I'm a dummy on this stuff.
I’m glad I watched this video because I have a 2016 kia soul and mines is doing the exact same thing! 😩😩
Could this be confirmed by cranking to open the exhaust valve and sending compressed air into the exhaust stream?
I closed the exhaust valve to diagnose a burned exhaust valve. Air came rushing out the exhaust.
btw. It is a KIA, Killed In Action.
You mentioned that there is fuel getting in the oil. Did replacing the catalytic converter fix this issue?
I remember years ago I took my car in a shop when I didn’t fix cars myself and walked in the bay and saw the mechanics gutting my converter. I wouldn’t intentionally do that now but hey it worked.
where I live the problem would fix it self. Give it a bit of time and some local bum/thief would just steal the cat. Bonus would be a cool raunchy V8 sounding exhaust.
But why did the cat get clogged? There’s got to be a root cause for this.
Exactly.You can replace the cat but sooner or later,It will be clogged again if you don’t figure out where the clog is coming from.
I have the same problem and I changed the cat , coils , spark plugs filter and nothing seems to fix the issue
That has got to be a womans car, judging by the heap of garbage laying around.
are compression and psi different ? as in why did the transducer not show cylinder compression ?
So, why is the cat dead at 150k? Maybe something else is wrong?
i think not only the car needs a health checkup
People don't know how good these videos are. Should have way more views and subscribers!
Dang! Looks like the ol' Marquis is going to need to run for many more years. I understand KIA doesn't have conventional fuel injection in addition to GDI and as a result it can lead to other problems. Great video!
Hi, have a issue with my Kia soul. Car start but when coming to a stop. Was able to nearer it down to a power issue. On throttle body connector I get voltage on meter but when using a test light only 1 turns on burly the other 2 no light on test light. So you think ecm can be bad and needs to be replaced. I have replaced nearly everything on this car except the transmission or or engine or head gasket.
Just went through this no code crank shaft case sensor on a 2016 Soul was bad
Another reason for owning the PHAD pressure transducer.
Given that the oil smelled like gasoline, why did you not recommend replacing the high pressure fuel pump in addition to the catalytic converter? It seems bound to ruin the engine with all the oil dilution going on. On the other hand, all those gas fumes getting sucked into the intake manifold via the PCV system would solve the problem of carbon buildup on the intake valves, so maybe it's a win either way.
Don't think that was the issue. Might have been due to the misfire, which may have also cooked the cat. I don't think Hyundai/Kia are particularly known for HPFP failures.
Your skills are really getting polished Mr.ivan.good luck
My guess is low fuel pressure or clogged up intake or maybe it's been running rough for so long that the oil is for the petrol and is fooling the O2 sensors into thinking the engines running way too rich or another thought is cylinder 4 is misfiring and clogged up the cat
on your last video I got a wierd reply saying to contact a what app number to call to claim my prize
I haven't watched the whole video yet I guessing plugged cats.
Ivan,
Great video and diagnosis - thank you! Based on the code you got at first I would have been convinced it was a TPS/PPS issue. Great work on your part to find the actual issue!
BTW I have my late wife's 2019 Kia Soul 2.0L. Only 26K miles - so far no issues.
Paul (in MA)
I have this car and love it but would hate it if it were an automatic
Two questions : The ATS E Scan Elite will do a Volumetric Efficiency test at the OBD 2 connector . Would that qualify to condemn the CAT ? Also , would reduced flow at the MAF , grams per second , be a possible tip off ? Grams per second : Is that the car passing a line of grandmother's ? 😆 LOL !
Don't think these have a MAF, they're a speed density engine.
A shop couldn’t figure this out?? Sad.
what model pico scope is that? or which is a good enough model for all that you do?
I'm surprised that it wasn't whistling or making some unusual sound to give away the condition. Nice diag Ivan. Thanks!
It kinda was. Rather than going VROOooommm when hitting the accelerator it was more like BUOOOOORRGgg.. :D
Time for Walnut Shell blasting !!!
Same problem I had with my Kia Soul today. 😢
finally my friend ivan needs a φθελ pump or not?
No scope here.... roll under the car and feel the exhaust after the cat... feel the cat... feel the pipe before the cat... .Thanks Ivan
With your bare hand?? Nah I'll stick with the scope 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics maybe on a cold start the pipe before the cat won't be hot enough to burn your hand, but able to feel the difference between before and after the cat?.
non contact thermometer works, or one of those thermal heat guns
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ummm.... knowing it could be hot you ... well do what you do.....
Only 2k in diagnostic equipment needed lol
My guess plugged up cat or exhaust. Remove the 02 sensor, put a pressure gauge, and see what the back pressure is.
trying to remove the sensor broke his wrench ;(
You would think it have an o2 sensor code if the cat is stuffed up
Uggggghhh come on people clean ur damn CAR!
Need to change a working in the cold fee?!
use a heat gun hot in front cold out back ,,bad cat
I don't get it. Of course there is pressure in the cylinder. How does that work? How does it measure only back pressure on the exhaust stroke?
Just picture the 4 strokes of the air pump including the intake and exhaust system 👍
What about the fuel smell in the oil?
Very nice video,Constipation Symptoms perfect way to describe problem..blessings
Congratulations
Kia gdi’s run dirtier than that interior
Yep this is why I won't buy a direct injection engine car. They still have improvment work to do.
Congrats Chad on the big win! Enjoy!
Great diagnosis.
Thank you! Big fan of your channel as well 😁 how is the VW pickup running?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Like a champ!
Great video quick question what you recommend for a cheap first time scope I can't afford the pico but was looking into getting a hantek just so I can start looking into sensors and more testing
Try the Pico 2205A 2 channel 👍
www.amazon.com/dp/B0153KF4FW?ref=exp_pinehollowautodiagnostics_dp_vv_mw
Ok thanks for the response I'll take a look at it
Got to love all the trash on the floor!
Well, last week my friend had the same symptoms on a 2.0l soul. I had him start the car while I observed the tailpipe. Sure enough less exhaust coming out than a 50cc Honda. A hard smack revealed that the converter was not broken or melted just plugged. Oddly enough 20 minutes later it was no longer plugged. According to the downstream sensor it’s working fine so all is well.
How did it "unclog itself" in 20 minutes?? 🤔😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics wouldn’t the EPA and CARB like to know.
Big surprise, smells like garbage. Imagine getting in on a hot summer day!
I meant the exhaust fumes smelled like garbage 🤣