Percussion Cap Sizes -- how they fit on Pietta, Uberti, and Colt Revolvers
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2021
- A discussion of various percussion caps as to size and fit on some of the more widely and available black powder revolvers. Also shown are some percussion caps that were likely available for shooters in the 50's and 60's. On the 1860 Uberti I said the #10 CCI's would be too large, I meant to say # 11's would be too large.
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Great Job sir. Thank you for taking the time to do this video. I have an Uberti 1858 New Army Revolver and needed a lesson on percussion cap sizes and fit.
Appreciate the comment. The Remington #10 should be fine, if CCI, then go with #11's. Problem now of course is finding them. O.R.
I’ve never seen #10s for sale in my area ( Kansas City) .
I did score 26 tins of #11s CCi for 1.50 per tin 3 years ago. This at Walmart
That was one heck of a buy. I think I paid around 2.50 a few years ago for #10’s from Cabelas, and thought I was stealing them. Probably no #10’s in Kansas, heard things are bigger there. O. R.
Thank you. An excellent presentation that answered all my cap questions. Of which I had many.
Great video mate you know I never gave the caps much of a thought. Great stuff mate 👍
I’ve hunted with an old Lancaster replica for 35 years and have went to a few black powder events, I thought #11 and musket size caps were all that they made lol. Thanks
Thanks so much for your time and patience to do this. With caps being in such short supply now a person has to order the one and only correct choice the first time -- if and when they do come back in stock anywhere.
Who would have guessed it would be this way, especially with the GOEX being no more. O.R.
I buy what I can find when I find it.
@@oldranger3044 Its a year since my comment and still I have no caps. I need Rem 10 or RWS 1075. Remington company shows them in stock but no dealer on their list has them or will order them. But Im not supposed to think anything bad about it.
@@cvcoco Just checked, powder valley and Gaff&sons have rws..Some spendy. Powder valley slightly less. Didn’t see any US made in stock. Good luck and thanks for the update. Not sure how the #11’s rws will fit. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 Thanks so much for looking on my behalf. Im in Calif and outside shops either refuse to ship or if they will to FFLs, the FFLs charge a fortune as handling charges. But that doesnt mean im finding them and refusing to pay, there is just no stock of what exactly I need and Im trying to avoid cap problems by forcing the wrong caps. I will check your suggestions and again, THANKS.
Well done. I have had problems with caps for years. Niether of my revolvers seemed to fit any of the caps, with the exception of RWS 1075. I couldn't keep #10 Remington's on the nipples, even when pinched, and CCI #11 were only slightly more useable. Makes me wonder if there is any standard for cap sizes.
This was all remedied when I bought "Tack of the Wolf" nipples which are sized to use CCI #110 caps. I rarely have a cap jam on the 1858, and the 1860 runs with very few problems, even with 30 grain Swiss fff (which nearly evaporates the spent cap).
Again, thanks for doing this study/video.
Thanks for the info. There are some comments from a gentleman (Englishman French) on my video on chain fires that might interest you, because he has examined original caps and finds them much stronger and believes they stayed on the nipples after firing. Check out his comments. O.R.
You would think that it would be written in the instructions as which caps fits. I bought a new Uberti Colt Walker with no information on cap size or brand. I am also using RWS 1075 and I love them. I have been looking for Remington no 10 with no luck.
Great test on this subject..I watched the whole video even tho my 1858 only likes Remington #10 and that's the only black powder pistol I own...I found this extremely interesting and ya..your right..your not an expert..but you indeed have enough knowledge to teach me about the different primers and sizing from manufacturer to manufacturer.. thanks for posting.
Thanks Mike. Always nice to find out that there is something that others can take away from the video, makes the making worthwhile. O.R.
I have changed two sets of nipples with slix shots. I wasn't impressed with them over the stock Pietta and Uberti nipples. I have also been making my own with the Sharpshooter22 and using their Prime-All priming compound and I have actually had good results with the homemade percussion caps fitting both number 11 and 10 size nipples, but the priming compound seems to be much more corrosive than the store bought percussion caps. The best for my stock Pietta and Uberti nipples number 10s Remington and the 1075 Germany made ones seem to work best and fit best. The CCI number 10s work but you have to really set them with a small wooden dowels. Thank you for you video, it has been very informative. Thank you.
Appreciate the comment Carl. I just finished firing a Pietta over 60 shots without a single jam or misfire. That was a 1858 with stock nipples, not sure what style guns you put the Slix on ? Where I have had good luck is with the Colt style guns.
Very interesting about the Sharpshooter22, will have to check out if I don't forget. I did hear about someone that had a cap go off, and I think it was with the wooden dowel, just thought I should mention that. Also, I had some extra Pietta nipples and lots of CCI #10's, so I set them in the lathe (could have used drill press), and took them down some with Emory. They are hardened, so file couldn't touch them. I discovered that a Dremel with a cutoff wheel properly applied also "removed the finger prints", and did so much faster. Thanks - good shooting. O.R.
This is just what we wanted O,R, an in depth study of nipples and caps, I had never thought that any shooter would just stick any old cap on his freshly loaded C&B revolver, but now I can see where the chainfires we hear about come from, I have heard of a shooter pinching their caps to give a tight fit, the next step is a chainfire! There is so much hot gas swirling around the back of the cylinder on firing that a chainfire is eventually inevitable, the main problem with these modern caps is they are so thin ,whereas Eley or F,Joyce caps have a .025" wall thickness, that means they stay in one piece when fired, whereas the modern cap is so thin they burst and drop into the action, causing people to think this is normal, it is not, and these things would never have been reliable enough to use in military service, I am afraid the cap sizes are like clothes sizes now, any size they care to put on the package will do, I have even bought cartridges with a different length to that stated on the box, all very casual ! Stay safe ! Chris B.
Something happened that might interest you. In a battle to see how cleaning the barrel between shots would improve grouping, I was loading one cylinder each time. Some powder hung up in the funnel and I only got a half charge. Didn't want to fire that into my group, so loaded another chamber and fired that.
I was smart enough to put a ball on the half charged one, but when I fired it, the ball only lodged half way into the cone and of course jammed the gun. Taking it apart, I found that I had put the ball on the wrong chamber, and only the force of the cap had sent it into the cone. So, yes, there was a chamber half full of powder and there had been one shot fired. Not that it proves they come from the cap end, but sure adds to that idea. Oh, I couldn't just dump the half charge out because the gun was in a Ransom Rest. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 That is an interesting phenomenon, so the powder just sat there loose in the chamber without igniting, I think one factor is the gap between the barrel and cylinder, some guns have a huge gap, and if the shooter has not got the wedge tight that makes it even worst, the fact that just a cap almost got the bullet into the barrel is interesting, it means that had the ball been undersize it could have gone enough into the barrel to allow the cylinder to index, then the next shot would have caused a problem, I have spoken to shooters that have had a major blow up, they were convinced that they had loaded powder in the chamber, but a cap makes a loud bang, and with other bangs going on around it could be a cap only firing, I can see no other reason for a blow up on these guns, take care! Chris B.
Thank you so much for this very informative video.
When all else fails I pinch a #11 and fire at will 👌🤠👍
CCI #10’s are ideal for sealing cones for longer term loading if you compress them tight with the hammer until it stretches the copper. I’ve tested them and found them watertight and 99% reliable over the past year.
Excellent idea, thanks. Pushing them down with the hammer is probably safer than using wood punch applied where they placed on because that is the side and if it were to go off #**&%. With the hammer, and the gun pointed in safe direction, it if does ignite, not that much different that taking a shot (except for the surprise and resulting trip to the rest room). O.R.
Tell me then? Cause my cci10s suck. My vid shows it. I have like 10 100 shot packs of those and tried all from each and they all jam. I load correctly and secure the nipple hood. Maybe it’s a Pietta brass frame issue?
@@assassinmanx6128 It could be different sizes across manufacturers. I use Ubertis and the CCI 10’s are a glove fit when seated down tight for 3 separate revolvers.
@@rezlogan4787 I use CCIs as well only for a Pietta. But they are tight and I think that cause cap jams? They get stuck to where the cylinder can’t turn and I have to pry them out. Maybe 11’s?
@@assassinmanx6128 Try pushing them down harder with the gun’s hammer while pointed down range. It takes some muscle to seat them down enough to clear the recoil shield.
Thank you for posting. Great video.
Honestly I've been looking for 5 days and went to 3 gun shops and my owners manual says 10 or 11. But I finally got the information I've been looking for here! Thank you! I would have wanted money on the 11 they would have fallen off!
Thanks Tom. It's encouraging to hear that the video helped. There's lots of experienced black powder shooters, plenty know more than I. Problem is that with us older folks, getting that information out for many isn't that easy. Again, glad it helped. O.R.
Thank you sir for the knowledge.
Great video. Sometimes replacement nipples are too long in the cone and will allow the cap to contact the recoil shield under the recoil of a fired round resulting in chain fire or even multiple chain fires. I’ve had to machine down the length of new nipples to fit a revolver with several brands of aftermarket nipples. My experience with caps over 51 years of shooting cap and ball revolvers are that the cci no. 11 caps are almost failproof even if you have a gun with small nips and have to pinch the cap some. Over the years, I’ve tried the other sizes but keep coming back to cci 11s. I used to love them alcan number 11s back in the 1970s. Can’t find them anymore. Now days I just use a drill press and chuck the nipples in and turn them down to fit the revolver and taper the cone to fit cci 11 since those are most plentiful in my part of the country.
Thanks. I agree totally about the #11's. The earlier reports and 2nd gen colts had smaller nipples and had to pinch even the #10 cci's so never used, or bought #11's. Recently I turned down some Pietta nipples to use my supply of #10's. First tried a file but wouldn't touch them. Hardened. Ended up using a dremel as it was spinning--that worked, just needed to be careful not to take too much. Thanks again for the comment and info. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I absolutely love reading you and these other men's comments, learning so much vital info. I have two cylinders for my Uberti 1858 and CCi #10's and #11's. I filed down the nipples on one cylnder to try and fit the #10's without having to fire 12 times to shoot 6 rounds, lol. But, now realize, since I bought a brand new drill press last week, I can turn them a little more to make use of the 400 #10's I have. I bought many tools last month, along with some nice oak boards to make ol school bullet boards. I would like to show my appreciation to yaw guys and mail yaw a shooting board a piece if yaw need one. I am making 5 shot and 3 shot ball boards out of oak. Just let me know what caliber.
@@paraplegichistoricalsports5700 I've had problems sometime with a file because they can be hardened, especially on the newer ones. Maybe you put them in a drill press, that helps to stay cylinder shaped, but be careful not to squeeze the threads too much. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yes sir, will do.,
The red plastic boxes caps were sold by Dixie Gun Works in the mid 70's. I was never happy with them because of their variation in length hence fit to clear the recoil shield when the cylinder was rotated. They were not prone to splitting very well and frequently would have to be pryed off after the shot on my Replica Arms Uberti 1861s
First I've heard from someone with a Replica Arms. My first cap and ball was also a Replica Arms; 1861. Got it sometime in the mid 60's. I remember, needle nose pliers, or a good screwdriver, but at least they didn't jam the action. Thanks for the comment, brought back good memories. O.R.
Yup. It kept me sane through college. Bought another 1861 full flute Replica Arms when got out and I still use it. It is pictured in my avatar.
@@garyruxton5226 That is classic. Just think how neat it would have been then to have the availability to choose from that we have now. Maybe it's not too late. Figure I can get a side job as Wally Land as a greeter and make out an order from EMF. Just hope I live long enough to see and shoot it (or them). 🙄 O.R.
Slix shot nipples are wonderful, they are made for cci #11 caps but Remington #10s actually seem to jam less, they don’t fragment as much and just fall off the nipple when the cylnder is rotated
Lucky to have places like them making quality products. They've sure work one the guns I've put them on. I'll try some CCI's #11's when available. Thanks. O.R.
Hello Old Ranger. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
I love them old boxes 📦 packaging. I have a addiction to keeping the packaging on lot things that probably don’t need wife says I definitely don’t need lol. I don’t keep old molding junk but I do like to have original packaging. Lol. Stay safe.
Ps found old box 410 shells Remington 5 shot maybe 6 but it came from Payless Montgomery wv back in 1981-82 dad got them for me about 7-8 years old we go squirrel hunting he got me h&r 410 from Kmart on my birthday 1980,81 The good ole days. Ok enough rambling stay safe from ur ole hillbilly buddy.
There's never too much gun rambling. I could to on and on about my Uncle that helped me get started in reloading. That was in the 60's. I was too busy with other "things" to realize that he wouldn't be around for ever, and all the neat stuff he was into; like sizing and loading 36 cal soft round balls into his 30-30. The good news was that I got all his reloading "stuff", and can think about him when ever I go through it. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yeah good ole days with loved ones teaching us a thing or two. And sometimes like you say we think we’re to busy to listen and sometimes where. But man would I give anything to get a few them times back.
Thank you for posting
I need #10 caps so bad, but I can't find any.
Thought you were about to say. “I need #10 caps so bad I can taste them”. O.R.
Thanks I often wondered why my nipples came in two sizes but I have a CVA kit rifle I made and it takes a different cap than my Pietta or Umberti revolvers but hey thanks for the video very informative. Oh and I subscribed to your channel as well.
Thanks Larry, appreciate hearing that. O.R.
Good video on this topic. Many do not realize the importance of properly fitting caps. The CCI caps are smaller than Remington brand. The nipples that came on my Pietta Remington revolver fit the Remington #10 caps perfectly. CCI #10 caps are too small. But I could find no Remington caps recently and had to switch over to the CCI. My revolver now has two sets of nipples. My Navy arms double barrel shotgun also takes size 10 caps and had the same issue when switching brands. If the nipples are too large, I chuck them in my drill and file them down to fit the caps. With two sets of nipples I am able to use whichever brand of caps I can find.
Thanks MuzzleLoader for the comment and info. I have done the same on a Pietta 51, that now works with the 10 CCI's well. Have the originals, as did mod on a spare set. Have you had problems with the newer nipples being too hard to use the file method?? I ended up using a Dremel grinder as they were being spun. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I haven't found that problem yet. The nipples I have are not stainless.
I have to treat my stash of percussion caps like gold now. I am selective in my shooting, since that is the limiting factor. Plenty of powder, limited amount of caps. And trying to make your own seems a tad bit tedious. I read an article by a blogger that the availability of percussion caps might not improve until early 2024. I guess we just have to wait and see.
I too have gone into hoarding mode. However, I do make my own caps and powder, they both seem to work well, but as you said, tedious. Thing is that I have the time, and like to tinker, so life is good. O.R.
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately I can find no one selling BP pistol percussion caps.
I bought my Pietta 1858 New Army about three years ago.I bought one tin of Remington #10
percussion caps.. Fired it one time.. Disability makes going out difficult but I sure would like
to stock up on some #10 Remington caps.
And, you’re not alone. So, when and if, they become available, we are going to need deep pockets. It sure ain’t the good old days. O.R.
thank you sir very interesting
Hey, I'm an FFL manufacturer. I don't know much about percussion caps like you do. I have a lot of raw brass caps coming to me that are unprimed. I can send a few to you, if you'd like to tell me which ones would fit particular models. I could then prime caps per your recommendation on which caps will work properly and send you some for your efforts.
I liked the #10 Remington's, but trouble is they no longer make caps, even CCI is very hard to find. I'm coming to the point of having to make my own....
Guess I enjoy the challenge, and believe that many shooters of these style guns are in it because of something like that. If it's only about self defense and making noise, maybe the 9mm is the way to go, but if not, then there is fun in the DIY ideas. Just one comment: If use them in the revolvers, keep a close eye on not getting the powder (if that is the way you go) up the sides of the caps. I have had a couple of chain fires that I am suspicious that I was a little too sloppy in my production, and hot gas got under the cap enough to ignite that powder that maybe was too far up the sides. O.R.
Hello my friend i have some rubber percussion cap covers which hold the caps in place once they are nipples. I cannot seem to find any more i bought mines about 20 years ago so i was wondering are they still being made? Have you any experience with the cap holders? Excellent show thanks😊
I have a little can of German ones, appear .22 approx. Mine are much older though
I started applying a little bit of clear nail polish around the bottom of the caps once they are on the cone it seals moisture and hold them in place and once they are fired they come right off before I started doing that I couldn't make it through a cylinder with out at least one or more falling off
Thanks for the tip. O.R.
@@oldranger3044no problem I'm a newbie I'm leaning from the old timers I see on you tube
I am pretty set on buying a 1861 colt Army. I cannot make up my mind on either uberti or pietta? And which size and brand caps? Can I get your advice please?
Hi James. I really think you will like whatever, because although there are differences, they both have attributes. I think you are talking 1861 NAVY because the army is an 1860 and has a larger grip. I'm not familiar with the Pietta 1861, so because of that, might steer you towards the Uberti, but again, rather not say much just in case you get the "Friday" one. If you are talking 1860 Army, then I have both, and both are great. The Pietta has a 1-30 twist, and the Uberti has 1-18, or about that. So, unless Pietta has changed,(mine are 10 years old), that is one difference. Both seem to shoot fine. Get out your favorite coin and have at it. (Lots of folks probably disagree with a coin toss, but you can find about equal numbers in each camp.) Hope things work out for you. As far as caps, both should use the Remington #10's (which cost about the same as a bar of gold if you can find them) - next would be CCI 11's. Sorry I can't say what size for the German caps. O.R.
Is there a black powder that is preferable for doing a conversion to casings? I like the Eastwood movie G,B &U. It appears he is using one. Thanks.
Are you familiar with the conversions that are marketed by Cimarron firearms or Taylor's? Actually both the 51 Navy 36 cal, and the 1860 Army 44 had several types of conversions done as I understand, in the "day". It would be quite a DIY project, but can be done of course, because it was then. Think I have read that many were returned to the colt factory for the work. It is a good subject to get educated on if you have the interest. The GBL was a classic movie, hats off to the Italians for it. O.R.
lol the Alcan are not longer avaiable in France... I think we no longer manufacture caps for the rifle or the gun... the Germans with RWS, and the Czechs with Sellier and Bellot, maybe also the Italians, but not the French...
Thanks so much for the update. O.R.
Anyone know where I can find some # 11 percussion caps?
Best chance is to just try sporting good stores or just random places that sells ammo supplies, don't trust any website that says they have them in stock.
Cannot find Remington #10 anywhere? No Rural King, No Bass Pro, nothing online. Sold out everywhere?
That's my findings. Maybe gun show, or gunbroker.
Hello I would love to have a container and the band around it. Not wanting a freebie. And doesn’t have to have any in it few be nice though as I would not shoot them ,add them in my addict collection lol.
Paul, I would love to be able to get one to you, just don't know how. Have to be mailed as HazMat. Probably my son, or wife for sure, won't know what they are and they will end up in the dumpster. Suppose better there than one of them tossing them in the stove. Certainly if I get cremated, well, sure can't take them along. O.R.
Thanks for a interesting video I changed the nipples on both my revolvers. I think they were called slick the name escapes me and I through the box out. Any way they work great with the #10 caps. I have the 1858 Remington in .44 caliber and the same in .36 caliber. Have you ever heard of dripping candle wax over the caps after they were on of course? I heard they did that during the Civil war . If they were not going to fire the piece for a while on the march It made it water proof. I tried it and all the cylinders fired fine. Any truth to that?
Haven't heard of that one, but it sure makes sense. The guns had to be ready, and probably needed to go for long periods without being fired. As far as the ones you changed, if they have two holes opposite in the sides, then they no doubt are the sliXshot nipples. I've had good luck with them as they seem to greatly improve reliability as far as cap jams. Remington's probably don't have near as many jams as do the colt style. I'm wondering about your 36 as to the age, and twist rate. Also what make? If the rifling seems to make about a half turn in the 8" barrel, than it may be the 1-18 twist. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 that's it slix shot. They era a few months old I got the guns during Covid. They work great. I'm still a novice but do enjoy shooting them. Thanks
So 10 Remington works best on the pietta revolver cause that’s what I have. I’m very new to black powder
Yes, also the #11 CCI’s will fit. As you probably know, both are somewhat hard to find right now. O.R.
what cap size do you recommend for the Uberti 1858 new army revolver?
I use Rem #10's on mine, and they seem to be fine. The #10's in CCI would be too small, probably #11's CCI are OK. Not sure about the German ones, everything is hard to get now as you probably know. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yes that why the question seems there are conflicting testimony on what works best that you.
where can I buy these online? i cant find them anywhere
Sorry to say that I don't know of where any are available. Bass Pro had some Remington's a couple weeks ago, but are gone now. Just have to keep checking. Be cautious of any "deals" on line, because I saw one spot that claimed to have them at a very low price, turns out to be a scam. You might check Gun broker, there are individuals selling there, but expect to pay premium price. Hope this answers your question. O.R.
Just starting out with 31.... 36.... 44 Ubertis and Pedersoli shotgun and traditions Hawken. I first bought 1000 CCI #10 Then 1k #11... I also had a bunch of stuff people gave me of ... navy arms 11 or Remington 11 or whatever. The Uberti's are all over the map for what does or does not fit. Bought slik shot nipples and they seem.... seem.. to like #11 CCI even then? sometimes they are a pain.
Right, a variety of stuff around. What does seem constant is that the SliX=shot nipples work well with the current #10 Remington's and 11 CCI's, if the caps can be found. O.R.
We could use more on this topic. I have bought a new Uberti Colt Walker The instructions don't say what or which caps to use. I am using RWS 1075 and they are working just find. I am looking for Remington no 10 but they seem to be non existing. Thank you
Right about the shortage of caps, especially #10 Remington's, which seem to work well on most of the newer BP revolvers. They will probably be a bit large for the older, such as the 2nd Gen colts and others. No. 11 CCI's are also an option, but again, a tuff find. The 10 Remington's should be fine for the Walker, when, or if, available.... O.R.
I have an Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon which has the same grips as the Walker, and it loves CCI#10 caps that I think I bought at Bass Pro or Walmart years ago for my Uberti .36 cal. Police Revolver. I only shoot the Dragoon once a year because I tear it down completely to clean it, and I can't find replacement caps. I bought some antique cap tins with some caps still in them that are in pristine condition. However they are collectors items.
good data
Cci 10s are super tight on my 1860 Colt. Seems to have to really press down to set them. I'm torn because this will keep them tight and water sealed.. but it's also kind of sketchy 😂
What I’ve noticed is often they won’t go on the first hammer rap because the energy is mostly expended in driving the cap on further. Just what seems to happen to me. O.R.
Have you measured the OD of all these? I ask because you say “let’s go up” to a #11 implying the #11 has a larger circumference than a #10.
Not till now. I never felt the need, a #11 will be loose, where a#10 tight, on the same nipple. The CCI # 10 OD is .170, where a #11 is .176, all inches of course. I assume material thickness is the same. O.R.
The uberti and pietta cylinders are not interchangeable correct? Two new model army Remingtons.
That’s correct. As they say, close, but no cigar. On two I have of about the same age, the Uberti cylinder made it into the Pietta, but, there was end play. It did lock up, but needed assistance to rotate, as the hand and notches aren’t quite right. The Pietta cylinder was a bit too long for the Uberti, but the arbor pin fits through the cylinder, so the arbor holes are close to the same. Anyway, that’s why conversion cylinders made by companies like Howell Arms list them separately as they don’t interchange. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 Thanks for the confirmation. I decided to order a uberti last week. Thought I had done enough research to make a good purchase. I then hit all of the close gun shops to gather things I would need. None of them had much cap and ball stuff. One of them did have a Pietta just like the Uberti I just ordered. It looked pretty nice and they were asking 250 for it. At first I thought that would give me a spare cylinder and a pair of remingtons. Well at least the cap shortage will force me to learn more before I shoot it. I don't think I'd try the home made caps yet. I'll wait on some manufactured ones. Thanks again from "an old Sapper"
Those old caps with the silver internal coating were 'water proof' I have 45 year old tin from my early days
That is that style. I've never tested them for water but they still shoot fine.
You are making people drool by showing your stash, and beautiful colts.
My last purchase of 1000 CCI's was $122 with all fees.
Never thought about the waterproof idea. Makes sense that some may have been made with that intent. Surprising how time flies by. Think I bought my first caps over 55 years ago. O.R.
I can only ever find the #11s never found a # 10 ive owned mine for over three years bought it at the beginning of the pandemic
That sounds about right. I’m thinking the 10’s I have were got 4-5 years ago. O.R.
hello, I have a Pietta navy 1851 .44, I put caps sellier-bellot in #10
sometimes it pierces the cap
Are your chimneys original or have they been modified?
There is a reinforced model but it is too expensive
have you tried making one?
If the chimneys are what the caps go on, they are original. When you ask about making one, do you mean the caps? Also sorry, but I don’t understand the reference to a reinforced model, so unable to answer. Thank you for your questions. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yes the reinforced caps,
here is the reference
Reinforced RWS 1075+ fluted primers for black powder weapons /250 Diameter 4.47 mm
My current production Piettas love #10 Remingtons. CCIs not much!
Mine too. Are those CCI’s #11’s? If I’m remembering correctly, I think I had occasional misfires with them, and if so, don’t know if I ever figured out why. Just went with the Remington brand. That’s back when there was a choice. Need to start “lets MPCAA” Make Percussion Caps Available Again. O.R.
where did you get percussion caps
Local gun shops, sporting goods stores, online suppliers like Midway USA, Gaff and son, Powder Valley, Dixie Gun Works, Track of the Wolf and others. Problem now is they are in short supply, pricey, and online orders are shipped with a hazardous fee. You might check Gunbroker online, sometimes individual sellers will have some but usually costly. Hope this helps. O. R.
I've tried some you mentioned, but as you stated we are out of stock
@@martinwall7297 Right, anyway from $25 to $50 for 100 caps on Gunbroker. Sure encourages the DIY plan. They are less of course from retailers, but not really available. Looks like the $2 to $3 per hundred days are gone for good. I’m planning on drinking more soda and recycling the Al cans into caps. O.R.
Push them down to fit, it's supposed to create a seal, if there're loose they fall off and the create no seal. If you look at the cap they have expansion splines
Then, wondering why manufacturers don’t just make one size (the smaller)? O.R.
O.R.
I got everything I need for my 1851 coming next week except having a hard time finding caps. I found a couple places I can order them except they have like a $200 min order. lol I don't know if I need 5000. It would take me the rest of my life to run 5000 rds thu an AR15. lol
That's interesting. Would be interested to know where that is, but understand if you would rather not say. I noticed that Midway had, or has, the hornady round balls in most sizes, so that is good. Hope you get some caps. O.R.
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@@oldranger3044 It won't let me post anything that looks like a link. I'm not vouching for either company. I just found them online last night looking for caps. I may go this route if I don't find anything else.
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I don't know about those sites I tried to order from online ammo store and I don't like how the pay is setup. They only use payment apps. Maybe thats ok. I may delete them after you see them. I don't want to steer anyone the wrong way. I ordered 500 cci #10 on Gun broker for $15 per 100. Not the cheapest and I may have to pinch them but at least I found some.
the problem is to find Remington #10, it's almost impossible here
And unfortunately that situation might not change much in the near future . 😢. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 but instead of the Remington #10 for the Pietta replicas are good also CCI #11 ? (original nipples NMA 1858)
@@ArgoPower Yes, they are very close to the #10 Remington, possibly just a bit larger, but should not be a issue. Of course it’s always good not to buy a crap load before checking out some on the particular nipples on the gun. O.R.
Nipples do vary a lot, and even on the same make over time.... My present 1858s are too small for #11s (CCI)... #10s are tight but can be pushed on and never come off.
Exactly right. My early Uberti's used the #10 CCI's, but newer ones need a larger size like the 11, or Rem #10's. Pinching the larger ones can work, but not ideal. If too small, they may not fire on the first wack, and that's not good either. O.R.
I have never seen a CCI #10 cap in my life
That’s very interesting. Too bad that this comment section doesn’t give us a way to get shipping addresses. Second thought maybe it is a good thing with the rotten crap that happens now. Anyway I could send you an empty tin or two. O.R. P.S. I got to wonder what state you hail from.
I've taken several nipples and turned them down so the cci #10's will fit. This task is very tedious with a cordless drill and a file. These nipples are very hard.
My findings also. I’m surprised that a file worked at all. Here’s an idea if you or someone else needs to reduce them. Clamp that drill down (or a drill press if available), have at them with a dremel grinding wheel, or something like one of those old chainsaw rotary sharpeners. Some emery cloth might also work, but like you said, it won’t be fast. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 That's a very good idea. Thank you
3:48 new Pietta
6:20 old 2nd gen Colt
7:20 2000s 2nd gen Colt
9:38 slixshot nipples
12:15 60s-70s Colt
12:53 old Uberti
13:15 new Uberti
Great idea for reference. Possibly I should do something like that in the descriptions, or I tag the comment so it will be the first one that comes up (I think). Thanks for the idea. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 you're welcome to pin this one if you like. Thanks again for the awesome video!
Thanks, but what I have discovered CCI 11 and Rem 10 are so close that only my powder can tell a difference, generally by that time, only the lead is complaining heheheheheheh
Right, there's little difference.
CCI was a part of Remington at one time...🤗❤️🇺🇸
Interesting piece of info, thanks. O.R.
4:45 "whap with a hammer" to seat a cap? You may as well clear a minefield with a hammer.
What's wrong with that? Just kidding
I heard something about using aquarium hose to hold the caps on snugg
It seems prudent to buy the nipples to fit the caps not the other way around.
Too bad that in our USA we can't get these anymore
And I don’t believe that we manufacture what these are designed to ignite, but maybe I’m wrong about that. O.R.
MOVE ON TO THE TITLE of the video the rest is irrelevant
Pointless
twisting them will make them too loose.
That cap goes around the nipple, how about a nipple where the cap goes inside the nipple nou outside