Golf Fans OUTRAGED and DISRESPECTED by WORST ETIQUETTE TO DATE!
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2023
- This is HUGE GOLF NEWS! Is etiquette in golf dead?! Golf fans have been outraged and disrespected by the worst golf etiquette to date! Stay tuned in this golf video to find out what it was.
A reaction to this video includes "I CUT SOMEONE FOR LESS" . Golf fans feel like outraged and disrespected by what happens in this really unusual situation. Reading greens is really difficult, the golf ball can travel in directions you don't expect so in case you do not hole the putt you want to make sure you can see the direction of the golfball.
Golf fans have been divided over this and we go through the reaction! When we think of etiquette in golf we think of repairing divots, repairing pitch marks, this is something that all golfers should do no matter their age or ability and should be done on the golf course.
When we think of etiquette in golf more recently we think of patrick reed of which patrick reed has been called a cheat! We also think of patrick reed cheating golf,patrick reed dubai tree,patrick reed throws tee at rory.
This trending golf news and breaking golf news has golf fans on social media completely divided over the etiquette of this player from a college event. We all know that leaving foot marks on the putting surface is a complete no-no, right?
Golfers just don't putt through other people's lines, every golfer should make sure they always repair your pitch marks.
Golf Fans OUTRAGED and DISRESPECTED by WORST ETIQUETTE TO DATE!
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*what do you think? Etiquette has gone?*
Yes bro it's like people lost respect for the game and players
I had a conversation with a other player today for not fixing the green pitch marks and yeah
Started going with collarless shirts.
Make the effort to dress smart then more likely to look after the course was the adage when I started playing. Since lockdown its gone right downhill.
@@petemajor5693 I don’t think having a collar on your shirt is a real indication.
In some respects it is being lost as people are not taught any of the basic rules of etiquette. When learning as a kid these were told to me by the pro etc
@@guyr7351 Same could be said for society in general?
Dress code was part of the etiquette when I started playing.
Just my opinion that the decline has been going on for some time. Def got worse since the lockdowns.
Unfortunately there are less and less well mannered people in society, in general and it's seeped in to the game. We're trying to grow the game by getting more youngsters involved, but forgetting everything else that comes with it. Don't just teach the youth HOW to play, but also the WAY we're supposed to play.
Lol, yeah you're not even close to being correct. There are far more well mannered people today than there was in the past. You should learn a thing or two.
@@Guythatsometimescomments Thanks for proving my point.
@@ob1slam lmao 🤣 when I read his comment I was like this is exactly what he was talking about ( they are the problem) I see way more youngsters throwing clubs blasting music 5 holes away getting sauced. An yelling then I do with the older generation. 😅
A complaint uttered already for 5000 years, if not longer.
Excellent comment
Divot and pitch marks are my biggest gripe! My golfing buddy and I are constantly fixing others divots and pitch marks. We are just trying to keep our course playable even though it is a public course.
It's ridiculous at our courses. Pitch marks galore. Even near the hole.
The Coach of that girl should be aware ASAP and put his student in check This is totally unacceptable!!!!!!!!
agree!!
YES, it has dropped a bunch but not just in golf. I bring a garbage bag when I go fishing because so many leave their garbage on the bank of what would otherwise be a beautiful place. And, driving in traffic. It is everywhere and I was glad to see you talking about it. The subject needs to be talked about more. Thanks for bringing it up!
Yes I agree especially with driving .People drive way too fast and I see idiots in the summer on the course shouting and swearing or not shouting fore at any time
Etiquette in golf has absolutely gone downhill in my experience. It seemed to turn a 180 during the covid pandemic. The only thing I can think of is that the pandemic brought out a ton of new golfers who were just looking for something to do. That's cool, but the problem is most of them came out to play without ever learning a single thing about the game. It gets annoying when I play around these people, but in the end it won't stop me from getting out on the course.
Too many people want to learn on the course. Too lazy to go to the range and actually learn how to golf. They are just chopping and taking 8 or 9 on a hole. I'm all for people playing and enjoying the game but it is frustrating to be behind a group with one or two first time golfers.
What I have found to be the most troubling and baffling issue is why so many of my fellow golfers fail to replace fairway divots & repair green pitch marks. Not sure if these failures fall under "etiquette" category but they sure as hell should be at the top of the common sense list.
It's so frustrating. We all have to share that responsibility to keep our courses looking as good as we can. Literally takes less than 10 seconds to fill a divot or repair a ball mark. There's just so many people that don't care. Definitely just a common sense thing imo
@@chriskubond6314 And they are the first ones to bitch about the condition of the course.
repaired a pitchmark is a moment of pride for me!
@@smitty9733 Absolutely!
You're absolutely right..
The etiquette has dropped a lot. People need to think about the other players instead of just themselves. One if the worst items we have is the loud music with not so family oriented lyrics. One of the big governing bodies needs to have a campaign to get back to the serenity we used to have on golf courses! Thanks for speaking out on this subject!!
Serenity, with the occasional WHACK!!, FORE!!, or cheer!! thrown in.😏
Back in my yewf (decades ago now) I joined the local private club. After all the meetings with the officials, and satisfying them that you were serious, me and my mate had to play 9 holes with the club pro. This had nothing to do with our ability, it was 100% a test of our knowledge of etiquette. I can still remember now what we were taught and tested on. You mentioned some of the more obvious things Alex like divots and pitch marks, but it also covered raking and placement of the rake after a bunker shot, placing your bag on the outward path to the next hole to speed up play, and the one standout thing, which nobody pays attention to now….not standing too close to the hole when you pick your ball out if it. We were taught to stand back and lean over to protect the area immediately around the hole from spike marks. Now I know soft spikes and spikeless shoes help a lot nowadays, but on a wet winter’s day that area will still mark up, which could affect a following player. I still carry these things to the course with me to this day.
In the US, proper etiquette died decades ago. But I've only been playing since 1963, so what do I know! It's been made worse by the pandemic, which removed rakes from the bunkers, seed-mix bottles from the golf carts, ball washers, rangers who manage pace of play, and the like. During the pandemic, golf here saw an influx of eager new players who mainly wanted to get out of the house and do something. As their addiction matured, these folks were unable to take proper lessons, which used to include on-course lessons that invariably included basic etiquette. When I'm in a group today with players who don't know proper etiquette, I'll gently tell them what to do or not do, that they mi8ght abide by the unwritten rules of golf. I find them eager to learn etiquette because they want to be seen as knowledgeable about the game. It doesn't cost them or me a penny! I'm sure golf will endure, but like most things in life, it will look different as we age 🙂.
You're absolutely right but the problem nowadays is people get their backs up when you try to help them or make suggestions to them..
Pitch marks on the green. FFS. I always try to repair one more than I might have caused.
Chipping and pitching onto the practice green - usually from just next to the sign saying "no chipping on the practice green"
The major thing that bothers me is not picking up your tee after you hit your tee shot. even if it breaks, you should clean up your shit
My son loves when people leave good tees behind. Its like a treasure hunt for him, he's 7. I'll have to see at what age he starts finding it annoying. 😂
A couple of weeks ago I was playing with my Son in a 2 ball we were approaching the 10th green, when a 3 (2 men, 1 woman) ball finished on the 8th green and walked straight to the 11th tee. I thought they were guests and lost, so I approached them and it became quite clear it was deliberate and they could not care less, I tried to educate them on full clear hole, cutting in etc and thought i was going to get attacked. These were not kids more middle aged.
Golf courses arent the safe, peaceful, considerate places they once were.
In the 35 years I've played golf it's consistent on every course I play that players don't fitch pitch marks on greens, don't rake bunkers, don't replace divots, etc. The problem is that many people come into the game without knowing these things and are never taught to do them. By far the biggest pet peeve though is pace of play. It never ceases to amaze me how slow people are and again, it's because nobody ever tells them although many just don't care. Pace of play is by far the worst problem in golf etiquette wise.
The amount of pitch marks on greens is ridiculous now compared to 20 years ago. But it’s not young people it’s older people as well. I watched a guy on a course practicing and hit a bucket of balls on to the 15th green. He was like 60 yo and left 40+ pitch marks on the green, didn’t repair a single one.
On course practice is common now and causes huge damage. I see this all the time and the course management sends a stern letter, but no real consequence.
Man, I never even considered this as an etiquette violation. I've probably done this out of lack of awareness. That being said, if this was the etiquette violation I dealt with in a daily round, then I'd be much happier. Unrepaired ball marks, unfilled divots in the fairway, unraked bunkers, people talking in the middle of my swing, music blaring from other groups while you're teeing off, pace of play nightmares, people hitting out of turn when you're both ready to play, and taking illegal relief consistently are all commonplace sadly.
People who can't remember their strokes made. e.g. par 4, two onto the house rooves, two to green, two putts does not equal par. One must keep an eye on them. I've experienced what you have mentioned. I said once, talk and such doesn't bother me so he talked just about ever drive I had. But quiet for others.🤪🙄 Larks are disappointing.
I was taught etiquette as a youngster through a mix of lessons with the pro, playing with adults / experienced players.
I am playing this weekend with a newcomer to the game, on my club course which is quiet. Not playing with my regular partners as don’t know standard of the new lads game and also don’t want him to be pressured if he hits poor shots.
I’ll be trying to school him on etiquette and course management as we play.
The simple things such as
Not standing in line of sight, being on the greens, keeping shadow out of sight etc, pitch marks, divots, thinking of exit from green to next hole so take bag / trolly to that side. Pace of play but not too rush and so more likely to duff a shot.
Simple stuff really and so easy for us all to do and makes things more enjoyable
When I started playing golf, at age 12, my dad taught me to always repair my own pitch mark plus one more. These days I repair my pitch mark plus 3 or 4 more. And sadly, there would still be plenty more to choose from.
Spot on mate, I see this behaviour all the time at my home club,how easy is it to replace a patch of turf ,it’s pure laziness and disrespectful to the other players and the greens staff. Rant over …good vid 👍
I was watching that tournament when the college girl walked right across her opponent's line right after she putted . I thought to myself did she actually just do that. Total disrespect for her opponent to see the brake in the putt in case she missed. The girl who putted gave the girl a look like do you have a clue what you just did .
I couldn't agree more. At my club, it tends to be visitors that leave broken tees lying everywhere, never repairing divots, racking bunkers or repairing pitch marks, although not all members are innocent.
I was a caddy at Sunningdale for many years and standing outside of a players eye line, not casting your shadow across their lie or walking across their ball path on the green were amongst many points of gentlemanly and sportsman like behaviour that were insisted upon, also talking when a player is concentrating on taking a stroke, all and more should be frowned upon and immediately challenged when they occur so as to educate the uneducated...
The one thing I see the most is unrepaired ball marks on the greens. The etiquette is gone because no-one teaches the younger players about it. It's a shame, but not much anyone can do about it.
Hi. I play at Royal Norwich Golf Club in Norfolk, its a new club which took over an existing club. It now calls its self a Premier golf club which is fine, its a very nice and friendly place to play but its full of snobs who cant say hello when they walk past and so called golfers who think they are above the etiquette of the game. hardly anyone puts their divots back and repairs pitch marks. Drives us older members crazy as it appears to be some players and ones that think they are above doing it. Our practice area looks like it full of craters. I think you are spot on with your view on this subject Alex. I think a lot of Golfers do not even know half of the rules to be honest. I don't think its helping by everyone trying to speed the game up and making people trying to play at 50mph. Keep doing the videos, great content and not to long like other You Tubers on here.
The Waste Management tournament tells you everything you need to know about the way golf is heading.
I only ask for two things when I am playing a shot. That the players I am with are quiet and stand still. Not a lot to ask. Repairing pitch marks and replacing divots should be automatic but sadly this seems not to be the case.
I've complained about this for the last few years. I quit playing about 25 years ago and just started back playing again. I guess you could call me 'old school' in that when I played a lot (in the 80s and 90s) there was a traditional way to play the course. I think some of it is silly but I also thing that some of the changes that have been done in an attempt to 'grow the game' have also led to some pretty poor personal behavior on the course.
I have three big complaints on the course that I don't remember seeing back when I played a lot. Idiotic horsing around, usually involving alcohol or pot, failure to do your part to maintain the course, and engaging in behavior that interferes with others playing the game.
I could care less what people wear on the course. If the course allows jeans or t-shirts fine. I have gone out in jeans for a quick 18 myself so I have no right to complain even if it did bother me. But driving carts like idiots, screwing around on the tee box, playing your music loud enough that people two fairways away can hear it, talking excessive trash and yelling obscenities constantly, failing to correct divots and pitch marks, and hitting into other golfers (this has happened to me several times as I wait for a green to clear) is flat our unacceptable. And when I said something two of the golfers decided to get aggressive with me.
Most of the people doing this are under 25, have played for less than three years and seem to think that their enjoyment is the only thing that is important on the course. It isn't always kids, I know 40 year olds that act like jackasses and 20 year olds that treat the game correctly but the common denominator that I see is relative newness to the game.
I love that people are discovering, or in my case, rediscovering the game. And yes, have fun on the course. Talk smack, play your music, celebrate when you birdie a hole or drain that 40 footer but please remember that not everyone out here wants to hear what you are listening to and no one likes seeing a golf ball run by them while they are waiting for their next shot into the green. Golf is a great game, but it is for people who like individual accomplishment, not self centered absorbed individuals.
I gave up on golf for about 15 years for medical reasons but that God I was able to return to playing I was shocked to see exactly what you are saying I just respect the game and will always be mindful of Golf Etiquette
I absolutely agree with your comments.l am a member of a golf club and I get frustrated with some of the members. I played 18 holes last week but got stuck behind a 3 ball. I was playing on my own so obviously
much quicker. I caught them up within 5 holes but they did not let me through despite losing and looking for balls. They even began to play a second ball whenever they hit a bad shot. I confronted them at the end of the round but all I got was verbal abuse and threats. I know they are members of the club and they should know better.
Alex, totally agree with you. i personally think some of the rules are extremely harsh particularly at amateur level around divots pitch marks etc.and would love them to change the rules and "place" the ball, this being mainly down to bad etiquette. Another instance of bad etiquette in my opinion is not allowing faster players through. this can ruin your own game and i also think it is hindering our beloved game in general, due to the time taken to go round. i play at Hart Common Golf club, and i know this is the main bug bear of members, particularly younger members.
People not repairing pitch marks really winds me up. I repair at least 6 on every green. As you stated, they are usually the ones who complain the most
Same!!
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Absolutely its gone, I've playing for over 55 yrs and have never seen anything like it. Ever since covid hit and the courses became packed, which I dont have a problem with as we need new blood on the courses. I've had to repair 5 to 6 at least pitch marks on the greens, could stay for another 10 minutes and fix more but find myself busy on every green fixing ball marks,divots in the fairways as well as slow play with no respect for others etc. Has all gone down hill the past couple of years I'd say at least 90% of the courses I play now. Keep up the good videos !
A playing partner saw one of a party in front of us pick my ball up and pocket it. He denied it for a few minutes until he finally admitted it and gave it back. I'd written my name on it using a sharpie. Kind of ruined the round a bit, felt like wrapping a short iron around his head.
Played last week in my club with a member,1st of all he didn't take a divit bag with him,not once did he replace a digital or ask me for some sand mix,that includes the tee boxes, never again 🤦
It's similar here in France, although I don't think most players have ever repaired pitch marks. I tend to repair 3 or 4 on every green just to do something. It's a shame as the greens would be so much better to putt on if everybody repaired.
My question is, what are the clubs doing to educate players in this kind of etiquette? My club does nothing, hence the problem...
My brother-in-law drives me crazy with his practice swings. He divots on every practice swing. I stopped golfing with him because he does so many annoying things. I just canceled my trip to Bandon Dunns because I'm that sick of him. He hit's into the people in front of us. He almost got our group in a fight at Pasatiempo.
Man, that divot every practice swing, that’d just straight up drive me to the crazy house! Lol
In Thailand caddies are mandatory and they make sure divots and pitch marks are taken care of, apart from other things, like telling you not to hit that driver before the group in front is out of range, etc.
I think etiquette has dropped over the past 20 years. I was part of the junior program where I played and thought up a few ideas on how to bring it back to life. I made these cards up that looked like a score card and the premise was that the junior would play in a proper way (no swearing out aloud and no tantrums) plus also abide by the rule that on each par 4 and 5 they would repair 1 divot that wasn't theirs and 1 pitch mark that wasn't theirs. At the end of the round the senior member (our club had a rule that up until colt or senior membership a juniors car must be signed off by a senior member) would either sign the juniors card and agree they played well and abided by the rules.
Each signed off round earned the junior a $5 voucher for the proshop or club as a reward. After 6 months it was agreed that the clubs greens had definitely improved and members were seen being more active in course upkeep. In the end it was a great success.
Here in Texas my experience has been that people are mostly good with filling divots with sand or the original turf but there are some horrendous pitch mark repairs and most likely not even an attempt except at the higher priced courses.
When I was young, playing with my father, fellow member. I walked in front of his line while he was lining up his putt. It so embarrassed my father that I was not allowed to finish the round. Things sure have changed.
Respect for others is lacking today , we live in a age of entitlement!
last week - in one round- 2 friends of mine walked on my line on 2 seperate putts. I was not happy even thou it probably didn't make any difference in the putt. I have been at fault about this once in awhile so i have become really aware when walking around the green.
I found that even though I worked through Covid there were a lot of people on the golf course that weren't working. People who probably wouldn't have been out golfing prior to Covid. This I believe led to some of the problems.
The balls I use are amazing, every green I hit leaves 4 pitch marks to repair. Can't always blame visitors as happens with members only days
Well at my course, I'm fed up of seeing dozens of divots not put back, even a foot away! I must repair 6-10 pitch marks on every green. In the bunkers often footmarks unraked. We get golfers hitting too close when we're held up ourselves. Drives me nuts and IS spoiling my enjoyment. Definitely got worse I think since pandemic. May not just be this, but with all the newer golfers not sure they're taught the basics of etiquette. Why not make this compulsory part of joining a golf club. Won't deal with visitors or nomadic golfers, but at least its a start. Also more slow play generally and often you're not invited through at any stage, even if you're patient and not pushy. Really doesn't help when you see pros like Garcia losing it or Reed apparently cheating. Gives bad example to everybody.
I play golf in Thailand and had a guy in front of me take 6 strokes to get out of a bunker, his caddy didn't rake the bunker before leaving the green, so I drove up to the next tee and spoke with him and his caddy before he could tee off, I told him it was his responsibility to insure the caddy raked the bunker before leaving the green as it wasn't fair to the other players following, he said he wasn't interested , so I said very politely you have a choice I can rake the bunker with your face or you can get the caddy to go back and do it. this seemed to work a treat.
The PGA tour players are now playing in their pajamas. WTF!!! That should be grounds for two stroke penalty! 😂
At our municipal course I have a season pass to, it’s horrible. Divots not being replaced nor filled, ball marks not repaired, and bunkers not raked. So we rake and try to simulate the lie. It’s a shame because, it’s such a nice course and the crew does a great job.
Slow play, cheating, no pitch mark repaired, no play thru, playing out of turn, walking forward, unnecessary pressing, hitting through, all too common now. Golf clubs are full of yobs
Playing out of turn is good for pace of play.
Etiquette or not that’s just plain rude what annoys me on the course is once people have finished on the hole they stay on the green or just off and do scorecards and chat about the hole with there mate
Play at St Andrews and the greens are the littered with pitch marks, the crows also turn up the replaced divots. Most annoying is not being played through when the group is holding up players behind
So glad to see your B9F getting more viewers! You definitely talks about things affecting the game of golf today. Both good and bad!
thank you! Very kind of you
I find one of the worst are the people that spit their sunflower seeds out, not only on the fairways but also on the greens. It’s so bad that some of the courses near me have banned sunflower seeds
Fair play, need some more people on UA-cam golf channels to talk about pitch marks and divots. Will get it across a bit better. I'm a long serving Greenkeeper.
We play at a Public course and are the 2nd group off on the weekends. So the majority of damage has to have been done the previous afternoon when you have players that are hitting a bunch of practice balls creating 2-4 divots and not fixing them.
It's not too much to ask to fill divots and fix pitch marks. In fact, here's a good rule of thumb for pitch marks: Fix your own and 1 or 2 others. If everyone would do that, greens would improve.
We used to have a term for that kind of sportsmanship. It was 'Bush League'! If she wasn't severely reprimanded by her coach, then you can know that the problem not only starts with the young lady's parents but is also reinforced by her coach.
I see it everywhere i play. And yes I hear the complainers that don't fix divots. The best is when you hear how the blame is on the golf course grounds crew! Edit was for this- I'm enjoying your channel !
All my courses have gone to shit recently with missing divots and pitch marks everywhere
Just like with backpacking always try to leave the area better than when you found it. I try to repair my own pitch mark plus a couple others every chance I get & fill my fairway divots & sometimes several others if I have to wait to hit a shot. Rake your prints in a bunker plus others since it only takes an extra 10 secs. One of the best recent rule changes is allowing the tamping down of irregularities on the greens that are in your line. Overall keeps the greens in much better condition. There's a little local course where there is tremendous pride of the locals there & its in perfect shape.
Your quite right it is disrespectfully at any level and very poor etiquette and it happens more and more as it filters through all levels, needs to be reported on to shame those who think it's ok to behave badly in this manner.
I fully agree it's getting worse. Divots not being replaced is a real bug of mine. You MUST replace them!
But here 's a question. Should you replace divots on a tee?
I was once told you shouldn't, you should leave to the green keepers as they do it correctly.
Correct divots on tees normally do not get repaired. Sometimes there are soil/sand boxes to fill in divots. I guess the thinking being on the tee you want to know the lie of the ball on the ground. Teeing on a divot would alter ball reaction
Absolute disgrace and it tells you a lot about the person.
100%
My big issue in golf etiquette is slow players not letting faster players play through.
I repair other peeps pitch marks on almost every green. It's truly not very often I take a divot but when I do I go grab it and replace. What I doe notice is people not picking feet up on greens. to many shuffle marks......especially around the hole of course
The grounds keepers at my former club would purposely run over your ball with the mowers, or would turn the sprinklers on in the middle of the day with dozens of golfers on the course, even throw your ball into the woods.
And the course president can't figure out why members keep leaving.
People in general have less etiquette these days. On the golf course it is no different. Was playing with some new players and had a group come up be behind us at a semi private course. Waived them to play through and they picked up my ball from the middle of the fairway.
The etiquette of golf has been waning for quite awhile, at least 25 years from what I’ve been seeing.
In the late 90’s when I first joined a golf league, there were a couple individuals who thought the course belonged to them. A group’s player in front of us seemed to be slow on making his shot, and the player on the tee box was mad, and was going to tee off; possibly striking that player.
I ran up to his tee’d ball, and grabbed it off his tee. That player who was mad because of slow play was not even thinking, he could have killed the group’s player.
I’m certainly not saying he was that accurate, but strange things happen in golf.
At my club (new member), they are really good at using winter mats off the fairways but the amount of pitch marks that I repair on the greens is ridiculous. These are seasoned members who should know better, but I'm sure they would be quick to blame the newbies such as myself.
Pitch marks! I do at least three on every green I get to. 🙄
So many pitch marks repaired following the senior members at carden park. Totally confusing, it's their home course. I'm talking 6 to 8 pitch marks repaired each. (I was playing in a 2 ball)
What are these idiots thinking?
I spent 20 years as a golf course super. Every time I play I fix at least ten pitch marks on every green. In today’s society one is only concerned with there self and could care less about other players putting through there craters.
My record so far is 21 repaired on one hole.
@@petemajor5693 hope you reported it to the pro shop...
The golf course management team needs to do its share of combating this problem..
Playing with a friend and readying our approach shots we were astonished to see the assistant greenkeeper pull his mini truck and trailer directly in front of the green.
He proceeded to rake the three bunkers, knowing that we'd been playing the hole.
Am I the 'a h' for thinking this was rude?
Only recently joined the club so didn't want to make a fuss but feel that surely, players on a hole should have right of way?
Enjoy your videos immensely 🇮🇪
I don’t know about your course but I have literally played 100’s and I cannot remember one that doesn’t have a policy that players are required to give way to ground staff. Maybe etiquette would be finding out what your club policy is. Would you complain that the bunkers were in a mess? You have not mentioned whether it was a competition day or just social golf. If he had waited for you to play your shot and began his work when you were putting out I assume you would not have had an issue or would he have been a distraction that you would have required him to stop his work until you left the green. I have found most, no almost all, ground staff to be cooperative and considerate about inconvenience to players, especially those demanding bastards that want the course in perfect condition
@glenwood9190 it is only one of our super greenkeeping staff.
I am not one of your referred to, 'bastards'.
When the same man starts work around the greens that have players playing up to three or four times a round it is beyond reasonable.
Unfortunately the golfing industry is getting more and more people playing the game these days with no understanding of etiquette on the golf course…I’m showing my age now, but when I started playing you had a short discussion about etiquette on the course…with the computer age(social media) you have to many people showing themselves doing crazy stuff on the course…there’s always someone else trying to 1 up the video that they saw on social media…sad
As the character Winston says in the John Wick movies “Rules… without them we live with the animals”
I thought golf etiquette flew out the window when Tiger Woods farted on live television.
I play a variety of different golf courses most weeks, what I have noticed in recent years is, repairing of pitch marks and fairway divots. I'm happy to play with new players and support them as we all know it's a " great, but difficult game at time's" however since the game has been boosted since lockdown I feel that some clubs have cashed in on this as it was the only sport you could play outdoors at the time. In doing so I feel that some courses have suffered in quality due to this.. alot of people have caught the bug and really get involved. There is a small minority in the clubs who have very little respect to other players and members including green keepers trying they're best to give us all the best experience possible on and around the course. Clubs should maybe look too on application of joining a basic how to repair pitch marks and golf etiquette for people who look to take up the sport. Just a thought!?
The course I play at looks like a scene from a world war 2 battle field last time I played some moron had tore up the greens with a golf trolley so putting was pretty much impossible.
You mentioned Patrick Reed abusing the rules...but the biggest one is when you see a well liked public figure, who plays regularly, drive their cart across the green to their ball. People do as the see others do, its human nature.
What about this old blokes on course who have probably been members for 30 years in a cart still take 7 to 10 shots to finish a hole holding up 6-7 groups behind by the end of the round won’t let others through so annoying
I think etiquette has gone down slightly but also the game is also getting younger more and more young players. Millennials and new Gens think the world owes them something
My etiquette was poor when I first started playing 3 year ago. I would always walk over my mates putting line to get to mine. I've learned that's a nono lol. I have always repaired my divots & pitch marks.
The game is evolving for sure and while some traditions deserve to be “modernized” there are basic forms of etiquette that are fundamental like yelling fore left or right with an errant shot, or repairing ball marks on a green, or not walking through an opponents line, or driving carts too close to the green. With the price of todays green fees, we all deserve better behavior.
These kids coming up have no chance. The parents that are raising them have no respect for one another. You would never see this in golf ever till now, it’s only getting worse everywhere. You are not making a mound out of a mohill. This is just a small glimpse of where things are going.
Lack of Etiquette in golf today is only a small portion of the total lack of Etiquette in today's life!
The confusion of "what's right" today is constantly be perpetuated by those that "don't know" and/or by those that don't care and are under the belief that they have a "right" to be themselves! (Damn everyone else's thoughts or feelings!)
I am new to golf but was keen to learn decent etiquette and to respect those who play and the grounds. However I have seen so far from playing at my now home club, 3-4 groups of people after only 5 or so rounds so almost one each round. Not shouting Fore as they hit a ball towards us, sometimes nearly hitting us mere 5 yards or so away. Recently someone hit a green that we were standing on when playing behind us without saying a word.
I can understand somethings being slightly neglected but this is straight up dangerous.
Etiquette, Dress code and fan behavior has gone down hill in recent years. So glad my private club doesn't put up with it.
Great video, long overdue content
Driving on the fairways turns them into hardpan. The grounds keeper will always frown on that. These same golfers will then complain on how bad the fairways are.
I am in the San Diego area in Southern California. In my experience with the extreme rain we have had which has required "cart path only" play, fewer divots have been replaced in the fairways. However because we need to get our yardage from the cart and walk out to our ball with couple of clubs in hand it is easy to forget bringing sand for your divots. I don't find that too objectionable, however I do object to unrepaired ball marks on the greens. Our golf course has done a great job keeping the greens smooth and fast considering all the rain, and it is upsetting to see the greens not being respected. I hope this is not a trend.
There is a drive in many clubs to speed up the game by playing "Ready Golf", where whoever is ready to play, or putt, goes ahead regardless of whether they are farthest away from the hole.
Some people take it too far, and it almost becomes like watching a UA-cam video at x1.5, with players chaotically trying to finish the hole as fast as they can.
Taking more than 4 hours to play 18 holes is unacceptably slow, but one reason I play more on my own these days is that I don't play golf to feel rushed. Ready Golf is getting out of hand. Etiquette flies out the window when you're trying to do the 400 metres hurdles around a Golf course.
Ready golf is not meant to rush you, but more being quicker to play your shot. We all have a different pace, I tend to walk briskly, as I’m approaching the ball I have a good idea of distance/club selection and just need to check the lie of the ball.
I never throw grass for the assessment of wind as what I feel at 6 foot from the ground is negligible to my ball being 30-60 feet in the air. One possibly two practice swings and I am ready to go.
When getting to the green depending on ball Location often nearer the pin you can be ready to putt, and as a group we will tell a player putt if they are ready. BUT of course this is only if there is no conflict with the ball / line of putt if anyone further away.
caddied at a private club when I was starting out. I watched and learned from people who were well versed in golf etiquette as well as how to treat others with that same level of respect. It's nothing really that difficult to follow, -leave the tee and the green better than when you got there, do the obvious when you see it needed to be done. No reason to shame anyone if you see them doing something wrong, just look for an oportunity to speak to them about it, ir a person to person tone and voice. No reason to preach, no reason to denigrate, just golden rule stuff. And, if they tell you to piss off, then just do exactly that. No sense getting into an altercation with someone who doesn't want to learn, or do better. This was all from a PRIVATE club, wherer the members, for the most part, respected their other members.
On a PUBLIC course, the level of respect shown, and given, is somewhat less. That is ok, too. I am not the golfing version of Miss Manners. I am not the course ranger, I am not the greenskeeper, or the bartender, or anything else other than myself. MY job is to represent MYSELF only. Beleive me, there are plenty of people who DO respect the game, and they will see you soon enough.
I really think this is all a matter of focus. If you focus on seeing poor behavior, you WILL find it. If you foucs on seeing good behavior, you will find it. This goes way beyond tee to green as well, it translates in real life. It is the "Golden Rule"
As for the example shown above, I don't know the whole context. Yes, it was not a good look for the young lady, but, I don't know what she was doing, what she had been told, if she even REALIZED it, or if she said anything after the gaff. Also, the actual "line" of the putt is from where the ball IS, to the HOLE. Since the ball was moving towards the hole, the line was no longer where she walked. As for the other arguments that she could not see the line beyond the hole, it really doesn't apply, as the putt went in.
In this day and age, it is par for the course to find something to be offended about. If you want to. That really really is a personal choice. If that is "By far the worst I have ever seen", then, brother, thank your lucky stars. I once saw THE PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH (according to some) drive his GOLF CART on the GREEN. ON THE GREEN. His response when called out on it? "It's my club, I own it, I'll do what I want"....
I've played in the same league with the same mates for 25 years. They are all, for the most part, respectful. I do notice that repairing pitch marks on the green or spitting sunflower shells on the green has increased. So, less respect for maintaining a nice course is falling off.
I’m with you on this one, I played yesterday and fixed at least one pitch mark on almost every green it only takes a second people 😠.
Can’t stand them
You ain't perfect though. There's absolutely plenty of times you can't find your/a pitch mark. Especially in the twilight.
@@pigs6486 no excuses no forgiveness 😂.
Shame on the player, shame on the coach. These are the things that set golf apart from other sports. We must hold on and work to bring this special part of the game back up to standard.
I think too many golfers are above raking the sand, fixing the ball marks on the greens and filling divots. My husband spends more time fixing the ball marks on the greens then checking out his putt.
fixing ball marks and sanding divots is abysmal in my area no matter what caliber course I play. I blame it on laziness.
Yeah I agree!!!
Nobody rakes bunkers anymore since rakes were removed during Covid. We need a local rule for a ball in a footprint in a bunker!
Driving with a trolley over our frozen Greens.
Yes, I agree 100% this was bad etiquette. But my biggest issue is with divers. I will never understand why relief is not given for a ball lying in a non replaced divet, or one that has been miss placed other by someone not replacing it, or in the case of my club, the Rooks are so clever that they turn them over looking for grubs.
If place a drive in the centre of a fairway/on the fairway, you should not be penalised full stop. By attempting to play out out of the said divet, all you will do is make a bigger divet without anything to replace, making it even worse for the next player following behind!!!!
Surely protecting the course at all times is paramount!!!