20 Insightful Japanese Differences in the Translation of Bloodborne
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- In this episode, we take a look at a variety of differences between the Japanese and English versions of Bloodborne.
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0:00 Intro
0:20 #1. The Hunter’s Dream is a nightmare.
0:49 #2. We awake from the Nightmare of blood and beasts, not to it.
1:17 #3. The Lead Elixir isn’t a product of the Nightmares.
1:55 #4. Bloodborne might not take place on Earth.
2:46 #5. Alfred isn’t Martyr Logarius’ protege.
3:33 #6. The Executioner’s Gloves don’t belong to...the Executioners?
4:06 #7. Executioners aren’t ...Executioners?
4:43 #8. Djura is an “Old Hunter,” not a “retired” one.
5:09 #9. Gascoigne thinks the Hunter is a beast.
5:48 #10. The Lonely Old Dear’s Sedatives aren’t “Father’s” blood.
6:06 #11. Arianna sells blood.
6:55 #12. The Hunter’s peeps might not bring bad luck.
8:03 #13. The Brain of Mensis might not have been retrieved from the Nightmare
8:49 #14. Could the audience with Mergo have created the Brain of Mensis?
10:11 #15. The Snake of the Madaras Whistle is dead.
10:34 #16. The Constable set’s description was likely changed.
11:26 #17. The Beast rune was the first Caryll rune.
11:48 #18. Phantasms are molluscs, and are synonymous with spirits.
12:59 #19. Pthumerians deify the sleep of Great Ones.
13:54 #20. Willem may have explored the underground tombs.
14:30 _____
15:14 Translation Note
16:02 Outro - Ігри
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I think when the Lonely Old Dear says, "It's... your father's blood", I believe she isn't referring to the sedatives, but the player's actions. That you attacked and killed her because you had your father's blood (believing you to be her son) in you since birth, so you would act the same due to it. Essentially, both the English and Japanese say the same thing, but the English is saying it in a more roundabout way.
That's a very good way of reading it! It's made a bit more unintuitive since she literally gives the player blood, so it'd seem she's talking about that.
It works especially if we consider that japanese esoterysm is connected to blood,and it's said to determine one's personality.
Oh my god, that just makes it so much sadder :(
Since Bloodborne is clearly in part inspired by Lovecraftian horror, it makes sense that te Phtumerians want the Great Ones to sleep. In Lovecraftian horror usually when a Great One sleeps (or slumbers or dreams), it makes the world be "normal" with mostly nothing out of the ordinary happening, while them waking up makes some sort of calimity happen. Also them sleeping somehow blurs the line between life and death, as stated in "The Call of Chtulu": "In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming." which also ties into your interpretation of dreams, nightmares and death being related.
I see Bloodborne. I click.
Bless you for keeping the lore alive.
I love SoulsBorne so damn much.
Some thought on the executioner gloves: They belong to a literal executioner, not to Logarius band. The vengeful spirits are from the people the executioner killed. When Logarius and his band attacked cainhurst their wheels where just that, wheels. Only after smashing the vilebloods they became infused with these spirits.
So a thougth on the spirits: Annalise is immortal. She shared her blood with some residents of Cainhurst. What if the vengeful spirits are a unique quirk to the vilebloods, basically being semi immortal. The bodies can be destroyed, but their consciousness is undying. By murdering vilebloods these undying spirits got bound to the wheels.
A thing I thought of while riting this: What if the original executioner betrayed Cainhurst. He found out that by properly executing vilebloods there spirits get bound, not released. Then he infromed Logarius about this and the Logarius Executioners attacked Cainhurst. This why they call themself Executioners and their weapon of choice is modeled after the breaking wheel, a instrument of brutal execution for murderers and robbers.
I think this execution is more symbolic. Instead of "just" killing someone a execution is more of formal prozess and a form of punishment. This may sound a bit weird but for me, "executing someone" is a more definite way to kill someone. Instead of saying "he was killed", or "he was stabbed to death", he was executed sounds far more severe and implies that the person in question was punished for something.
Intead of simply killing the vilebloods, the executioners want to punish them, by exectuing them and binding their spirits to their weapons, making sure they suffer/can't come back.
This just a thought I had just know. There are probably many instances that debunk my theory. But I'm not a Loremaster.
You don't need to be a loremaster to engage with the lore! Just pick a topic that interests you and explore it. You're actually quite close with your idea behind the blood. =) If you want to learn more about it, I suggest checking out my videos on the Old Blood and Vilebloods.
Another interesting theory that builds upon yours is that, knowing that more corrupted blood is more powerful (the japanese lore makes this pretty explicit) the executioners might have intentionally wanted to get some of that power for themselves... so getting rid of the vilebloods by trapping their spirits in their weapons, they'd eliminate their rivals that knew too much while also adding their power to their own.
@@LastProtagonist I already watched that video. I simply used "vilebloods" so this wouldn't go to deep into detail.
@@jackjohnson6044 another theory is that Logarious himself was a Vileblood executioner who deflected and turned against them. It explains his longevity and the fact he can wear the crown of illusions and use it properly
The part about how Pthumerians "deify" the great ones' sleep is really cool
I feel like Djura being called "retired“ has more to to with him having once dreamed, meaning he was once with Gehrman and the Doll (and has been retired by Gehrman offing his head), not retired as in "he’s not a hunter anymore“…
Although that would also make sense, since Djura doesn’t hunt beasts anymore!
Yes it’s not the same word, but I’d say with these two aspects "retired“ is actually more(!) informative than just "old“.
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#9 is reinforced by the fact that simple mobs while they fight u they shout beast, a foul beast. Its clear that they see you as a beast too
When it comes to Yarnham's world I always felt like it was akin to Lovecraft's world, whose stories are set in a mixture of real and imaginary cities all coexisting in the same world. So in a world that might look like ours at first glance but ends up looking more different the more you learn about it.
But I guess it could also bea completely fantastic world like the rest of from software's works.
No you're right, Bloodborne is the most Lovecraftian of all the SoulsBorne games, and its VERY intentional.
I love the guy with the cage on his head. Looks so dang cool.
Saw your other Bloodborne video yesterday and have been hooked on your channel since. Thanks for another already awesome video!!
Your videos never fail to amaze me, thanks!
I thought the part two was out already, but then I looked at the date and realized the vid wasn't made 4 years ago.
This guy deserves so much more subs and views. Keeping the bloodborne content flowing and great bloodborne content at that.
Amazing work man, love BB almost every month i make a playthrough, thanks!
Great content. Much love.
Thanks for these insights. It’s fascinating how subtle changes make these lines more clear. I wonder if the localization team knew what they really meant and purposely made them vague to build up the mystique of the lore.
Ooo, great to see this channel gaining some traction. Good shit as always.
Thank you for the great upload.
This channel is gonna blow up, keep up the great work!
Dude, amazing videos. Glad youve put such meticulous effort into this.
Brilliant vids. Can’t wait until the next one
Gotta admit, watching Bloodborne content while eating feels… so weird. Good work, mate, I love your thoroughness, and this is actually providing me a lot of insight, especially with the phantasms.
Im so happy ur still going at it with this incredible game, thank you so much!
Thanks for the videos!
Great stuff!
Love your videos! Keep them coming :)
Amazing video! Really enjoyed the insight :)
Huge. Great work as usual!
Amazing that there is still extremely high quality content that reveals new informations about the game, I appreciate your work very much :)
Excellent video! Very frenzy inducing as usual!
Considering that the Beast Rune seems to have some affiliations with Loran, where the first scourge that we know of happened, and that imo, the Beast Embrace rune that became a "foundation" of the church would likely be related to it, due to how it works well in tandem with the Beast Claw found in the Loran chalice, I think the more accurate description about the Beast rune being the first Caryll rune could be fairly significant...
Great, Great videos, thank you for doing them. A big part of the soulsborne games that I've grown to love is exactly what you're investigating here - that wonderful melding of cultures. In this case Lovecraftian cosmic horror through a Japanese lense. Its fascinating especially when a story is told the way bloodborne is - in pieces and obscured. Got to say I prefer your work to the thousands of exact 'lore' videos that I feel just miss the point. Keep up the great work! (and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you to dig into dark souls one day!)
Hey your audio qiality is way better man! Keep up the good work
good stuff man
By the Great Ones, I was legitimately shocked by several of these revelations! I honestly can't comprehend how they could think it right to change such important details! Thank you for your work, I wish I knew Japanese, but until then content creators like you are who I can turn to.
Great stuff I hope your channel grows as more PS5 players fall in love with Blood Borne
Great video man, just found your channel the other day. You're easily the only lore youtuber for the myazaki games that is reliable, everything is clear cut with no egregious conjecture and clears up a lot, seriously brilliant work. Do you plan to do the other games in the future?
I'm open to other content in the future, but for now, there's still more I have to talk about Bloodborne. Sekiro's a lot more straightforward, so I don't think there's as much need for me to look at it. I'm not as familiar with DaS though, and I still haven't played DeS.
@@LastProtagonist nice man, genuinely keep it up. My friends and I have nothing but good things to say
These videos have been a wonderful boon to understanding this game's lore. I must say that with these translations, though the core of the game's story remains more or less the same, it does alter enough seemingly minor plot points into a grander or different context at times. One example would be the meddling of Byrgenwerth into the affairs of the Old Ones. In the Japanese text, they have a much stronger tendency to use spiritual or mystical terminology when describing anything involving the more "Lovecraftian" elements of Bloodborne. This is striking to me as I think it highlights a theme that gets overlooked in the English translation.
Byrgenwerth is often described as a sort of University or College, and these terms in our modern context strongly imply a secular or in general non mystical way of thinking. To Master Willem, the Old Ones and the things related to them were a mystery that you can simply examine, cut and dissect apart in a flat, clinical way of thinking. Very much mimicking the experiments and scientific method seen during our real world Victorian Era, quite horrific at times if you know your history.
But on the other hand, those that walked away from Willem did something of great significance; they made a Church. It always struck me as odd that these hardline clinical scientists would make a separate organization with all the trappings and effects of spirituality. However these translations and the emphasis on using mystical terminology when discussing One One related phenomena puts fourth an interesting idea. What if the split between Master Willem and Lawrence was not just because one wanted to use the Old Blood and the other did not, but because one side saw the Old Ones and the things they could do and actually believed they were Gods? Why else would one make a Church if not to worship something? After all we see Vicar Amelia praying before we fight her, so wouldn't that imply that the split that occurred in Byrgenwerth was of a more philosophical and esoteric nature than just over what tools to use to achieve enlightenment?
Those are just my two cents, sorry for the rant.
Its all valid & super interesting discussion :P Some stuff gets lost in translation but ultimately the translators were still based in Japan & working alongside FromSoft/Sony and it's better than a direct translation which would just come across as very clumsy nowadays. While I feel like I have a fairly solid headcanon for most of the Dark Souls lore, Bloodborne...maybe the lovecraftian influences just make me more accepting of things I don't quite understand, or the gaps in what we know.
@@warmybear437 I feel much the same way, as I love Dark Souls, but Bloodborne has a way of just pulling me in that the other games can't quite manage. It's a sort of feeling like there is something just around the corner that will grant some great revelation about the lore of Bloodborne, a sort of tantalizing hint of something greater hiding in plain sight.
Probably one of the best games I’ve ever played.. wish I had bought this game sooner
The brain of mensis theory also explains why Willem appears mentally deficient for such as well regarded scholar.
His brain was mushed when he helped rom ascend.
I believe the "it’s your father’s blood“ bay the Lonely Old Dear is meant to imply the exact same as her Japanese counterpart…
Iirc she thinks the Hunter is her child/grandchild, that’s why she gives you sedatives to begin with, and when you kill her and show your true (bloodthirsty) ways, she reckons it‘s because you have the same blood as your father.
Basically she uses it as another version of "the apple does Fall far off the tree“ or "like father like son“.
I do think the implosion comes across in the English VO, but that’s just me!
10:01 isn't it also arguable that this is what happens when the Brain looks at you? since a rotted mind has a hard time maintaining it's desire to exist, thus the HP damage
Great vid! Could you explain more about the beast rune being the first rune discovered by Caryll? I think this could be a very important lore topic.
Unfortunately, we're not given much more information than it was the first Caryll rune and the first one to be forbidden. Any interpretations beyond that will have to come from each individual player's discretion. ;)
@@LastProtagonist thanks for answering!
But why can we be sure about it being the first rune? It's what the japanese version says? I didn't get that part of the vid that well, that's my doubt.
Yes. It was likely changed later in development since the Korean matches English, but neither match the JP.
An augur is a prophet or an omen that foretells something. Pretty much synonymous with harbinger. Now, a familiar, or a familiar spirit, is generally a totem animal that is sent beyond or before the spellcaster/witch/practitioner of magic.
While it would be kind of weird to think of the slugs and stuff as being akin to a Witch's black cat or something, the concept still tracks.
Love your stuff man I'll always be the first!
Your mic need a little bit of bass boost, just a tiny bit, it would help to "fill the spectrum" at the lower end, that would hide the quality of the mic that catch mainly high frequencies (in this case).
WRT point 2, I think both "to" and "from" work equally well, considering the game's Lovecraftian influence. In many of Lovecraft's works, dreams and nightmares aren't just mental states, but are more like alternate dimensions or planes of reality. Dreams are no less real than the waking world, they're just a different world entirely. So the fact that the Hunter wakes from a nightmare rather than to a nightmare is a bit of a moot point--the Hunter wakes both from and to a nightmare.
13:35 Like Azathoth
LP, Have checked the cutted content? In an unused dialog lady Maria refers to Gehrman as "Beast-hunter Gehrman" and I was wondering how does refer to him in japanese, does she call him sensei or such?
Sinclair and richie need to have u on their channel. I'd love to hear richie have a conversation with u
kewl vid, but I think with the last point 神秘 actually is more of an abstract term than the jisho J-E definition suggests. the J-J definition of 神秘 in the 大辞林 dictionary is 人間の知恵では計り知れない不思議なこと。普通の認識や理論を超えたこと。また、そのさま。so I think the nuance of it might conceptually actually be retained better by circumstantially translating it several ways into english
I would agree that the word on its own is indeed abstract. Part of the reason I make the point is the game gives it additional context by being tied to the "Arcane" stat. This isn't to say that it's completely understood or even *understandable*, only that it has a more specific role in BB, but I'll expand on that in a future video. Thanks for the comment
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So which one is better?
All of you better tell me when Bloodborne 2 gonna show up
So essentially the pthumerians and the yharnamites are the same race just diluted or changed through time. Always great videos by the way.
Thank you. Yes, I believe that's the case, but as always, take everything with a grain of salt, and everyone's welcome to their own opinion
where is that implied? didnt catch that in the video
@@Cedwig234 queen yharnam.
Molotov cocktails have an interesting etymology or origin.
During the Winter War in 1939 when the Soviet Union launched an invasion of Finland during the Winter, they would fly over the country and drop bombs. When Finland complained to the international community about the flights and bombs, the Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov said they were dropping care packages of food to the Finns. So Molotov's Food Packages became bombs. Thus when Finns would encircle and take out a column of tanks using improvised incendiary devices often made with alcohol and gasoline, they would be lovingly called "Molotov cocktails" in reference to the unjustified bombings and the devices being made with alcohol. So it was a kind of fuck you to Soviet lies and propaganda.
I am glad to finally be assured that the "it's all a nightmare" theory is false and just a translation error.
Also, the NPC in the forbidden woods might be talking about her own voice, since she is turning into a beast
Such a deep game, I wonder if the translation was misleading on purpose to deceive us.
Guys, need help. English isn't my mother language. Can you help me and wrote in text-form 13 and 14 paragraphs (timecodes)
Alfred is by far my most hated character in Bloodborne. Not only does he appear to be just a executioner wannabe, but he is a total moron as well. Think about it. He wants to go to Cainhurst just to kill Logarius so Logarius can be a true martyr and kills himself afterwards, so Alfred is a Martyr himself. He even fashions a crwon of illusions for himself. He thinks he killed Annalise, but doesn't know she is undying.
He follows Logarius philosophy of: You should always do good things, even if they may not be the smartest option.
That is exactly what we see here. He blindly emulates Logarius teachings, ultimatly removing the last line of defense from the vilebloods (Logarius himself) and allowing Annalise to come back. It may take a while for her to regenerate herself, but no one is there to stop her now.
Granted the player kills Logarius and CAN invite Alfred to Cainhurst. But even if we could get the invetation before Logarius, Alfred still would have tried to kill Logarius. I guess it's supposed to be a lesson about that you shouldn't blindly emulate religions, cults or ideology. But F you Alfred. Logarius should have kicked your ass and make you realise what a pathetic moron wannabe you are.
Bb pc when? I want to play but no ps4
Also buying ps4 for bb only is kinda not a good decision
Buy ps5 for bb only
You can play it on PS Now on your PC but only the vanilla game, no Old Hunters DLC sadly
I just re bought a ps4 just for bloodborne and ghost of tsushima
You are godlike. thanks to you I'm understanding much more about bloodborne's lore. How can they ruin and mislead such meanings? I guess their eyes are yet to open
Whatever happens...
Hey dude my bloodborne is Japanese version can i change the language to English?
You can't change the text, unfortunately, only the dub
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Deepest thanks to you and similar people clarifying all of this. But man the negligence on FS part, its as if they don't care about their English speaking audience at all. So many theories and years of interpretation down the drain
Dude. I thought it was pretty clear at this point. Of course they don't care. They don't even care about their games that much either. It's literally the same things from past games they've made , recycled. The reason it's 'cryptic' is because they haven't worked on plot at all. They just come up with a rough idea and make up some terms and present it as 'cryptic' while in reality they just don't have a plot . It's very clear. Wish more people would realize this. I mean even their director has admitted it lol
@@MultiLioNik they had 6 different almost contradicted plots , remnants of each one still exist
@@alikhavari4250 precisely. Even the developers didn't have a clue of what they wanted to do . So fans shouldn't give the games too much thought. They are honestly doing way more than fromsoft ever did
@@MultiLioNik That's personally why I think Bloodborne's setting was wasted on a videogame. It has much more potential as a novel series.
@@Bluetag9009 I want to turn it into a novel. Thing is it's copyrighted.But it wasn't wasted neccesarily because it's a videogame but because of the company that produced it. If it was made in the style of the witcher with proper engaging plot it would've been great. However the 'story' for me gets ruined when instead of beasts it turns into aliens. I felt it was a huge let down. Beasts being actually citizens should've been kept as the whole point of the story with the big reveal at the end. Suits the gothic style way more than hentai tentacles lol
This is my first time seeing one of your videos. The cadence of your vocal delivery is quite sing-songy and I found it off-putting. I don’t mean for that to be insulting or for you to take it personally, it’s just something to consider.
Something for him to consider? Maybe not everything is made for you, one random guy
@@darkartsdabbler2407 Sure, we can pretend like no one knows the difference between a critique and a personal attack. We can also pretend that no one has ever studied intonation, public speaking and broadcast journalism. We can even pretend that none of those things are relevant to or helpful for creating content for UA-cam.
Since we’ve already agreed that this isn’t “made for me” then we should go ahead and admit that it isn’t made for you either... or the other people that watched it. We can also agree that my opinion doesn’t matter but I’m afraid that I’ll have to insist that no one else’s opinion matters either. So, we’ll go ahead and agree that must mean that the quality of the video doesn’t matter since no one can say otherwise. If the quality of the video doesn’t matter then I guess the video itself doesn’t really matter either and we can all just forget about it and move along. Last Protagonist can just give up all this nonsense since no one cares about any of it, because they’re not allowed to.
@@scabdidlybastard I kind of agree on his tone. Sometimes it’s sounds he’s mocking whatever he’s reading but, it just might be how he speaks. Idk, just hope it’s doesn’t persist.
@@scabdidlybastard blahhhhhh
Yuh. Im fuckin with this
The part that bothers me is that he even has to clarify that he's not speaking negative or anything towards the game. I get it but that sucks ppl are the way they are sometimes. Most of us already know he does it for the love.
Though I'm not familiar with Japanese, I wouldn't disparage the usage of "eldritch truth" and the multiple translations for that one word in Japanese. From what you said, that one consistent Japenese word means "arcane mysteries" or "sacred mysteries", which given the context of the game and the inspiration behind it, seems to clearly imply eldritch knowledge.
I took references to comrade Molotov, Hippocrates and Spartans to be thing where it obviously isn't on Earth and they're not actually speak English. Similarly how Tolkienverse stories are supposed to be "translations" from in-world archives and references to Earth stuff represents that. I thought it'd take place in some nameless fantasy world otherwise.
Never crossed my mind that people would consider Yharnam and its surroundings to be anywhere in real Earth. lol
The localization is close enough that most of these are actually the conclusions I came to anyway. so IMO they did fine.
Alfred calling himself logarius's "protege" didnt match up with any of the facts. we see for ourselves later he's a raving lunatic. Him convincing himself, or at least wanting to convince the player, of a closer relationship with his idol makes total sense for several possible reasons. I know better than to trust that any given character in a soulsborne is a reliable narrator.
Similar shit for most of the others
not all though
the "soft body" shit was definitely new to me.
Why do they always translate things the way they do. Just sucks, man