I have had a couple of traditional bike fits over the years, and while I am not going to diss them, I don't think I would pay for another. This GURU system on the other hand I definitely would pay to try. I like the way you can instantly change between presets and see how they FEEL, rather than how they compare to Joe Normal / accepted standards.
Steve is a really nice guy and his shop is pretty cool. I got a fit by him with the GURU but it didn't work out for me. The "does that feel better? How about now?" method didn't quite suit me. A few months later I bit the bullet and got an amazing fit from a local fitter that uses sensors and your own bike to make adjustments. I think GURU would be great for a custom bike or to explore different components on the fly. Thanks for the video. Always good stuff.
Well bike fittings are all about feeling better 🤔 so yeah, I think he ask the right questions ... I know how difficult some clients are to deal with 🤖....
I've learned in my own antidotal experience that the relation of the bottom bracket to the position of the body is so important. The fore and aft position of the saddle made huge differences.
Wow! This is remarkable. Thank you for sharing this technology and Steve is definitely a SME,especially with that GURU “game changer” for bike fitting. I will definitely bring one of my gravel bikes in to get adjusted after being fitted, the one I use for my Century rides done at least 1x a month.
I did the same thing with dropping the bar height helping the neck and shoulder pain. It gives more room. Also increasing seat position forward and tiny bit higher over the years. Both above require me to have decent core strength. If i don't excercise for two month, that comfort changes significantly.
Hopefully this guy paid you a good amount for this video! I’ve already sent the video and info to a couple of friends! I might switch over from my current fitter and swap my shop over to this shop! 🙌🏻
A few months ago you did a review of a fit kit app. Was your Ritchey set up with the results from the App? If not, how similar are the results between the Guru and the App? What kind of cost are we looking at for the Guru? Great video as always.
Yup the eastern sierras do really look like that with mostly no shade.... Can be 80 or even 70's and still feel hot. Gotta say that bike guru fit machine is the best I have seen
Steve has plenty of knowledge and experience of what works for parts and cycling. Maybe do bike fit with him for my next bike? Is the end bit after or before taking a break/nap by the river on the ride. Mammoth Tuff video soon?
Very interesting process. I've never seen this system in action before so I'm glad you took the time to document your experience. I'm wondering if there is a motion capture part to the procedure where angles are measured, or is it solely based on rider feedback as the fit bike iteratively maps it's way through the possible combinations and permutations of all the variables?
This fit did not measure any angles via motion capture. My understanding is that motion capture is needed to see if the rider meets traditional conforming angle fits. With the guru, it’s based on rider perceived effort and comfort so specific angles are not targeted
@@TheBikeSauce That makes sense. That's how I interpreted it, but thanks for confirming. It really is a very clever way of fitting someone to a bike. How much do they charge for this service?
Hi, is it possible to change the crank length on the fly (in real time) to see how it feels? This would be a critical key factor, since different crank length also impact your saddle position, I guess.
May have missed the details, but today much is being talked about concerning crank length and handlebar width as part of bike fitting and thayt many are using bars that are too wide (as set by the industry) or cranks that are too long (also set by industry standards). Does the Guru system you used take these measurements into account as well and were changes made to your original fit as a result?
Is your base bike setup that you went in with originally from the MyVeloFit setup? Because I'm currently running their suggested fit on two bikes and while it feels ok I can only wonder if maybe I can make some more tweaks
shortened stem by 10mm and lowered handlebar a bit, pushed seat back by 15 and lowered it a bit. Net 5mm back (relative to bottom bracket I guess) and slight lower. I might have to rewind to confirm that
Does this type of fit adjust to how your current physiology is working, but not necessarily what your optimum fit might be? It seems to me that it is possible that our muscles may adjust to an ill-fitting bike, creating a muscle imbalance that we would then be adjusting the fit toward. Alternatively, an 'uncomfortable' fit that adjusts you toward a more optimal position may in the long run be better as your muscles adapt? Are there reactive vs. proactive approaches to fit? What's the school of thought on this?
Good morning we talked yesterday at the Maverick ride I’m the guy who asked Steve to reach out to you about the bicycle fit. just need to ask. Did you ride your Richie yesterday with the set up that Steve gave you? If so, did you notice a difference? how did you like it?
So, shortened stem by 10mm and lowered handlebar a bit, pushed seat back by 15 and lowered it a bit. Net 5mm back (relative to bottom bracket I guess) and slightly lower?
@@TheBikeSauce certainly not minimizing the effort or lessons learned! That was great to watch and understand how the changes helped improve feel and power.
I got this fit and it didn't work out for me. It seemed like a machine that is designed to be sold to shops that want to sell fitting.. The machine is a template that fits you into what it thinks you need. I went to Nate the Fitter in LB and it was great.
Dynamic nongeneralized fitting is best, every system even if it's advanced it won't be the best, if not personalized. Good fitting is with a person who understands body and bike, system and technology are just tools and not "the master". Look for someone with IBFI and an even better Steve Hogg-certified fitter, if u want the best result. Nonetheless, any fitting attempts with generalized data are in my opinion still better than no willingness to know and care.
I had a Guru fit at my LBS and it was disappointing. It literally told me nothing I didn't already figure out myself, with the exception that the hot-swapability of tons of different saddles helped me find the most comfortable one. The worst part was that I had to keep getting on and off the robot to make adjustments because they don't tell you that there is a weight limit for it. If you're a big guy, forget about booking a bike fit on the premise that the machine will be able to move while you're riding until you settle into the most comfortable position. No LBS will risk breaking their machine if you walk in looking like a football player instead of a typical girl or wiry cyclist dude.
@@Omnis2 There are other dynamic fit bikes that are not motorized like the Guru one, that have no weight limits. If you believe in this approach to bike fitting vs old-school methods, then try to find a shop with a Shimano, Purely Custom or Retul fit bike.
He couldnt fix your bobbing and bouncing. That has to be going into your neck and shoulders to counter acf All that movement. Your neck is doing a lot of work.
Reaching out to my local shops for this type of fit after watching this! GURU folks definitely need to sponsor this video!
I have had a couple of traditional bike fits over the years, and while I am not going to diss them, I don't think I would pay for another. This GURU system on the other hand I definitely would pay to try. I like the way you can instantly change between presets and see how they FEEL, rather than how they compare to Joe Normal / accepted standards.
Steve is a really nice guy and his shop is pretty cool. I got a fit by him with the GURU but it didn't work out for me. The "does that feel better? How about now?" method didn't quite suit me. A few months later I bit the bullet and got an amazing fit from a local fitter that uses sensors and your own bike to make adjustments. I think GURU would be great for a custom bike or to explore different components on the fly. Thanks for the video. Always good stuff.
Thx for the counter point! Glad to hear something else worked for you
@logictd567 i was recommended Steve too, but what local fitter did you end up going to?
Sensors.. Really interesting mmh 🤔
Well bike fittings are all about feeling better 🤔 so yeah, I think he ask the right questions ... I know how difficult some clients are to deal with 🤖....
Oh dude I need a bike for so bad. This is amazing Nolan . Thanks for posting this.
This is the perfect way to do it. Wish I lived closer to CA, though
WOW!!! That is awesome! Now I want a dynamic bike fit with that machine! 💯💯💯💯
I've learned in my own antidotal experience that the relation of the bottom bracket to the position of the body is so important. The fore and aft position of the saddle made huge differences.
Yea! I was surprised at the effect of small adjustments
Wow! This is remarkable. Thank you for sharing this technology and Steve is definitely a SME,especially with that GURU “game changer” for bike fitting.
I will definitely bring one of my gravel bikes in to get adjusted after being fitted, the one I use for my Century rides done at least 1x a month.
Very interesting. Thanks for this story 👍
I did the same thing with dropping the bar height helping the neck and shoulder pain. It gives more room.
Also increasing seat position forward and tiny bit higher over the years.
Both above require me to have decent core strength. If i don't excercise for two month, that comfort changes significantly.
Right, bike fit is definitely a moving target and depends on your current fitness and flexibility
@@TheBikeSauce smart respon 👍
Hopefully this guy paid you a good amount for this video! I’ve already sent the video and info to a couple of friends! I might switch over from my current fitter and swap my shop over to this shop! 🙌🏻
Haha no money was exchanged. #independentreviewsonly
getting my first bike fit Friday, now I wish it was a dynamic bike fit!
That’s rad. I really want to try that. Hopefully someone up here has the guru.
Or come hang down here for the weekend 🙌
A few months ago you did a review of a fit kit app. Was your Ritchey set up with the results from the App? If not, how similar are the results between the Guru and the App? What kind of cost are we looking at for the Guru? Great video as always.
That was for the blackheart
Yup the eastern sierras do really look like that with mostly no shade.... Can be 80 or even 70's and still feel hot. Gotta say that bike guru fit machine is the best I have seen
There is only one Sierra mountain range.
@@markxkovacic "eastern side of the sierra's"
happy now?
Steve has plenty of knowledge and experience of what works for parts and cycling. Maybe do bike fit with him for my next bike? Is the end bit after or before taking a break/nap by the river on the ride. Mammoth Tuff video soon?
😆😆 yea mammoth tuff vid soon
I loved watching our mastery of fist bumping at 10:53
Very interesting process. I've never seen this system in action before so I'm glad you took the time to document your experience. I'm wondering if there is a motion capture part to the procedure where angles are measured, or is it solely based on rider feedback as the fit bike iteratively maps it's way through the possible combinations and permutations of all the variables?
This fit did not measure any angles via motion capture. My understanding is that motion capture is needed to see if the rider meets traditional conforming angle fits. With the guru, it’s based on rider perceived effort and comfort so specific angles are not targeted
@@TheBikeSauce That makes sense. That's how I interpreted it, but thanks for confirming. It really is a very clever way of fitting someone to a bike. How much do they charge for this service?
You got a sub from me, thanks for the video
"I always find myself between groups" is going on my tombstone. I assume they can fit for a flatbar/touring setup?
😂😂 yea they can do that as well
people re born to walk!! biking asa supplement. biking is such an unergo positioning
Interesting!
Hi, is it possible to change the crank length on the fly (in real time) to see how it feels?
This would be a critical key factor, since different crank length also impact your saddle position, I guess.
Crank length has to be done manually on this machine
Purdy slick❤
May have missed the details, but today much is being talked about concerning crank length and handlebar width as part of bike fitting and thayt many are using bars that are too wide (as set by the industry) or cranks that are too long (also set by industry standards). Does the Guru system you used take these measurements into account as well and were changes made to your original fit as a result?
I already had cranks and bars dialed before I got there, but you can change those parameters (but not in real time)
Is your base bike setup that you went in with originally from the MyVeloFit setup? Because I'm currently running their suggested fit on two bikes and while it feels ok I can only wonder if maybe I can make some more tweaks
Good question. No. I used myvelo to set up the blackheart. The Ritchey was my best guess
What were the changes made to the outback?
shortened stem by 10mm and lowered handlebar a bit, pushed seat back by 15 and lowered it a bit. Net 5mm back (relative to bottom bracket I guess) and slight lower. I might have to rewind to confirm that
All summarized at the end of
Nice
Does this type of fit adjust to how your current physiology is working, but not necessarily what your optimum fit might be? It seems to me that it is possible that our muscles may adjust to an ill-fitting bike, creating a muscle imbalance that we would then be adjusting the fit toward. Alternatively, an 'uncomfortable' fit that adjusts you toward a more optimal position may in the long run be better as your muscles adapt?
Are there reactive vs. proactive approaches to fit?
What's the school of thought on this?
Good morning we talked yesterday at the Maverick ride I’m the guy who asked Steve to reach out to you about the bicycle fit. just need to ask. Did you ride your Richie yesterday with the set up that Steve gave you? If so, did you notice a difference? how did you like it?
Yo! Yea i was riding the fitted bike. The end of the vid discusses the fit after a couple hundred miles riding on it
So, shortened stem by 10mm and lowered handlebar a bit, pushed seat back by 15 and lowered it a bit. Net 5mm back (relative to bottom bracket I guess) and slightly lower?
Basically yea
@@TheBikeSauce certainly not minimizing the effort or lessons learned! That was great to watch and understand how the changes helped improve feel and power.
Huh, the GURU logo is the same as the now defunct Montreal-based custom bike frame company, but it's an American bikefit system now?
They sold it Cannondale when they went bankrupt, and the tooling for frame manufacturing ended up at Allied Cycle Works.
I see it! Purdy
Does the pedal length can be adjusted? I think that’s the last frontier for me.
Yea, the machine will do crank length adjustments too. Although I don’t think those can be done on the fly
I got this fit and it didn't work out for me. It seemed like a machine that is designed to be sold to shops that want to sell fitting.. The machine is a template that fits you into what it thinks you need. I went to Nate the Fitter in LB and it was great.
Dynamic nongeneralized fitting is best, every system even if it's advanced it won't be the best, if not personalized.
Good fitting is with a person who understands body and bike, system and technology are just tools and not "the master".
Look for someone with IBFI and an even better Steve Hogg-certified fitter, if u want the best result.
Nonetheless, any fitting attempts with generalized data are in my opinion still better than no willingness to know and care.
I had a Guru fit at my LBS and it was disappointing. It literally told me nothing I didn't already figure out myself, with the exception that the hot-swapability of tons of different saddles helped me find the most comfortable one. The worst part was that I had to keep getting on and off the robot to make adjustments because they don't tell you that there is a weight limit for it. If you're a big guy, forget about booking a bike fit on the premise that the machine will be able to move while you're riding until you settle into the most comfortable position. No LBS will risk breaking their machine if you walk in looking like a football player instead of a typical girl or wiry cyclist dude.
What’s the weight limit?
@@andrew9579 Not sure. I would guess that if you're over 250 it's a no-go.
@@Omnis2 There are other dynamic fit bikes that are not motorized like the Guru one, that have no weight limits. If you believe in this approach to bike fitting vs old-school methods, then try to find a shop with a Shimano, Purely Custom or Retul fit bike.
Interesting, he didn’t account for handlebar width and crank length.
Capability is there if you want to explore it
That is why custom geometry is only for you.
He couldnt fix your bobbing and bouncing. That has to be going into your neck and shoulders to counter acf All that movement. Your neck is doing a lot of work.
Bad form I guess