The league died because it's boring. As someone who hoops fr but also has played 2k for the last 15 years, no one wants to watch small guards left to right around screens and watch the defense dit in a 2-3 zone. If the gameplay was realistic that would be one thing. If players were actually running different actions, pick and rolls, down screens, running sets and realistic iso then I could see some people watching it or if it was more on the arcade side with constant posters, snatch blocks, leaners, etc I could still see people watching it but it's neither. There's no variation or excitement. What makes Joe fun to watch is that it looks different than most.
Left right left right. It's nasty work. You can move players how they should be able to move. They need to get rid of all that bs and start from scratch. NBA 2k35 gonna be the same game
2k 5v5 is just not entertaining lol I’d rather watch a real NBA game 😂 3v3 is where the money at. 2k21 stage days got more views then 2k league ever did .
the idea that the 2k league was in any way taking focus away from mechanics and gameplay is wrong. The 2k league team is handled by a different team under Take-Two.
Like the shot meter, or making guard up spotlights, or just hear me out, how to effectively use spot up shooter. I forgot what the badge is but bruh it’s like off ball pest but it allows you to get open quicker off ball. Do you know how many times I’ve thought a point guard should go and get spot up shooter with space creator? It’s a fantasy
My brother in Christ. I've never understood how iso is what takes no skill, yet they all run behind screens and don't get open on their own. It's crazy to me you need another man holding his nuts 2 inches away from you to get an open shot all game.
No lie, the 2k league was never supposed to be a thing like it’s not fun to watch a full game. They foul on transition. Majority of the game styles are the same. They running a zone and nobody goes at each other. That’s really the entire 2k. Back in the old days, everyone was going at each other
@@YuhhPaul I’m saying like nobody trying to watch the same 2 people touch the ball every possession like that shit wack. Spending 100s of dollars on the game to sit corner all game
True. I like competitive 2k but never wanted to watch the 2k league cuz I didn’t kno ppl from there. That’s clearly cuz they didn’t want themselves to be seen on any other platform. This is exactly why they lost their jobs
Hey Joe I’m a long time sub and the thing I always find funny about the meta P&R is that the builds used in it was made to be based off Kylie Irving back in 18 but “us” players turned it into the Meta hide behind screens that had been running most offenses in 2k for years
Joe gets way too much hate, it’s sad to see to be honest. He just different and has a actual connection with his teammates they aren’t toxic like majority of the 2k community 💯
That’s bc everybody else was scared of “giving out the sauce”. Bear was the only one trying to give out league tips but even he held back on some things
This a really really wild take. Everyone knew the league was a scam from the beginning. 99% of those players didn't deserve to be there. Anyone could of made that league look at lgymo smh.
As a former EA FC (FIFA) player, I've noticed the same thing happens in 2K. Performance relies more on your gaming IQ than your gaming skills. Of course, it's important to have and master skills, but your IQ will always give you an edge. As a real-life basketball player with FIBA coaching courses, it's very easy to break down teams using just your basketball IQ. It's just a video game and for me, it's not paying my bills. So, the important thing, is to have fun. It's tough to fall short of the META, but winning games this way is rewarding.
There are many great things about this video for sure, but one thing that stood out to me is this. The talk about being a casual player. The guys Joe plays with started out as just that, casuals. But they came together and the chemistry is great!! So they took on the league and didn’t look back. Now. They are all great players. Most are top 10 at their position. It boils down to this. Joe and Black Market have it. And the league needs to catch up.
I got twitch tho lol I’ve beat 2k league plays soccer players a baseball player 2 football players 4 basketball players cheese double H and Tutsi in the stage 1v1 oh and Tutak in the stage 3v3 10,000 court
Yeah I think the 2k league players thought they had some sort of job security and a lot of them got comfortable… as a spectator I watched one 2k league game and it was boring. In order form something to work you need views so I understand the 2k league going in a different direction. Hate they lost the jobs though.
The 2kL's BIGGEST problem is it is the ONLY "professional" game that doesn't allow its casual fanbase to play. There is no Ranked mode, there is no Solo Queueing for a rank, there are no set "league builds" that everyone has to use. If they take the 2k18/2k19 Combine and morph that into a ranked playlist with solo/duo/team queues or whatever than you will actually get some fucking viewership and your game wont die after season 2 like it has the passed 3 years. Also, if they would do this, make the rewards something specific that only you get for reaching a certain rank. For example: Do Ranks: High School, College, G League, Pro, All-Star, Elite, Top 250 or something along those lines. Give the top 250 players like a glowing emblem. Dogshit marketing and game design teams ruined 2k.
He’s right, the next chapter for 2k league will be content creators n maybe NBA players competing against each other. There 2k league may be the sweatiest 2k players together, but it’s not good content
The 2K league wasn't gonna last because the mode they play on is not available for regular customers. 2K has no official competitive modes outside of the Pro-Am mode, which has glitched rankings every year. We can't even get detailed patchnotes like other eLeague games. Everyone, including the Pro teams, has to pay community run testers like 2K Labs to find out what adjustments 2K makes each month.
Any person that spends additional money on 2k after purchase is not a CASUAL…If you go from 85 overall to 99 you are not a casual….if you have multiple builds you are not a casual
2k league being different from retail is the dumbest thing, no casual will relate to it. Imagine dota 2 esports is different from what casual people plays😂
League had no chance because they select nobodies Not like there grabbing the top leaderboard grinders or hosting open tournaments to qualifying for set tournaments
ISO has been getting hated on since the dawn of competitive 2k and in reality the people who were mad at people who can dribble/iso were jealous because they couldn’t do it real talk. The 2k community has always been spiteful of people who were better than them that’s why they hate on Steezo so much 🤣
@@gshivs793 Famous Enough constantly would advise Pro 2k players to use their position and platforms for content creation for the benefit of the league and their own branding long term
yeah if there was more pros like bear the beast the league wouldve been more watched and cared about but idk im glad the monopoly of the game having a league is over because there will just be more comp back on the actual game and the players can just make pro am tourneys like yall been doing lol. 2k needs actual 2k players to make the community in the game closer
I use to play 2k heavy and was a PF that averaged 20pt and 12 rebs in the first ever combine with 70% win percentage and didn’t make it but I know a guy that was literally a cone in the corner in a 5 out iso offense and Famous called him a “top 5” PF. I played for 16th ranked team on Xbox in 2k18th and would beat a lot of the first year league pros. I knew the league was a joke when there wasn’t a leaderboard explaining why some players made it and others didn’t. Why streamers that made it but magically did not stream during the combine. The lack of transparency during the whole process was terrible. How Choc could try and exposed the league but next year make the league. Glad I walked away from 2k.
That's crazy you're saying that they never went online and did any kind of tutorials or anything like that, talking to people. Wouldn't that make them a bunch of money just by getting views advertisements and all that?
It's former NBA 2k league player blame Joe knows end of 2k league it's crazy to me but casual player talk alot of trash about him not beat Nba2K League player. You can't blame him
The reason why nobody watches the 2K league is because nobody knows the guy who’s in it. And honestly, we don’t care. The games are boring, poorly advertised, and again, nobody knows who the hell they are. almost everybody owns 2K for themselves. Why would I want to sit there and watch a random person play the game when I could just play it myself?? The game is boring anyway. nobody watches 2K for the game itself. They watch it for who’s playing the game.
I agree to an extent but the part that I don’t agree with is him insinuating 5 out is on par SKILL WISE with pg and screens when in actuality anybody who plays 2k espically pro am knows 5 out is easier people complain about screens but if your a good lock u can stop it u can’t do nothing about your backend dropping u getting pulled into a contact and your back end don’t even block the ball they just call a foul and it still goes in… so it’s not necessary 5 out is easy meter dunking made it easy and made it require less skip some dudes wouldn’t be half as good with 5 out without meter dunking
Only 5 out team to win a major pro am league in 2k23 and 2k24 is my team. People say 5 out is easy but only one team has been able to use it and win the major leagues. I think if it was easy other people would have used it to win free money. A lot of good teams tried it and immediately went right back to PnR. I’m not arguing one way or another but if only one team has proven they can do it when it matters, idk. 🤷♂️
Tbh the 2kleague players had no personality.. none of them was funny n ther play style is repetitive...no trash talkin no competitiveness.. joe knows n young precise actually post content tht is competitive n b high quality lik..choc was entertaining for bein toxic..nadexe was poppin for bein toxic ..joe knows n precise not toxic but have personalities tht is likable ..put all 4 of them league goin against eachother it is content for days..the 2kleague is too safe
Never believed in “nba 2k league” reason why is because “NBA” is made for special people 6’8, 6’9, 7Ft and that goes for all sports TBH So unless some1 both with an Extra 👁️, Or extra limbs no such as “pro gaming”
Calling people casual that play park is wild bro🤣on god I’m not a causal I shoot 60 from 3 and have a 80 win %. In stage and the city. I agree 5s is more skilled though it’s not for everyone for sure
ive always said this 2k ISNT BUILT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY LIKE THE 2k LEAGUE, the skill gap isnt big enough and the gameplay is all either animation based or bs that most competitive players can learn by simply having good chemistry with teammates. That core gameplay just isnt fun to watch competitively and its not impressive to watch these dudes play.
People are not always good I beat pro players an I played with or against top players an they could never stop my big man from shooting an blocking, plus they was training to only run with friends in the combined an not with players who either didn’t understand stand they corny talk about basketball or didn’t really know how to play an just only running 5 outs😂😂
Calling people casual that play park is wild bro🤣on god I’m not a causal I shoot 60 from 3 and have a 80 win %. In stage and the city. I agree 5s is more skilled though it’s not for everyone for sure
i knew 2k league was not gonna work when young percise and joe knows was consistently getting more views then the 2k league games
W shoutout to precise I don’t see people talk about him often
@@JuViDiedhe’s nice asf I don’t get why people don’t give him his respect
They also have more subs/follows than the 2k league accounts lol.
Still do 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 horrible product
Wht u kno bout young percise
“Beating the skin off all that ass” had me in tears😂😂😂
Bro fr. Seen it on TikTok first and it’s hilarious 😂
The league died because it's boring. As someone who hoops fr but also has played 2k for the last 15 years, no one wants to watch small guards left to right around screens and watch the defense dit in a 2-3 zone. If the gameplay was realistic that would be one thing. If players were actually running different actions, pick and rolls, down screens, running sets and realistic iso then I could see some people watching it or if it was more on the arcade side with constant posters, snatch blocks, leaners, etc I could still see people watching it but it's neither. There's no variation or excitement. What makes Joe fun to watch is that it looks different than most.
yapperville called and they want their mayor back
💯💯💯💯💯don’t en got say nomore u spoke LAW
Left right left right. It's nasty work. You can move players how they should be able to move. They need to get rid of all that bs and start from scratch. NBA 2k35 gonna be the same game
@@sp5derjdubjust say you have adhd and stfu
2k 5v5 is just not entertaining lol I’d rather watch a real NBA game 😂 3v3 is where the money at. 2k21 stage days got more views then 2k league ever did .
I think now that the 2k league is done, they’ll cater more to the casual fan base, and hopefully focus more on mechanics and gameplay
Even if thats the case, We all know that they'll mess it up lol
the idea that the 2k league was in any way taking focus away from mechanics and gameplay is wrong. The 2k league team is handled by a different team under Take-Two.
Wdym mechanics and gameplay? Mechanics and gameplay haven't been this balanced since 2k20 😂
Like the shot meter, or making guard up spotlights, or just hear me out, how to effectively use spot up shooter. I forgot what the badge is but bruh it’s like off ball pest but it allows you to get open quicker off ball. Do you know how many times I’ve thought a point guard should go and get spot up shooter with space creator? It’s a fantasy
@@Troyli13 2k would cater to the 2k league instead of fully putting their focus on the retail version of the game
Once these “ pros” started crying about iso ball they lost all their respect. They really want everyone to run around screens all game💀
What funny is screens is the thing that dont take skill
Literally nobody wanna see/play pick and roll all damn game
My brother in Christ. I've never understood how iso is what takes no skill, yet they all run behind screens and don't get open on their own. It's crazy to me you need another man holding his nuts 2 inches away from you to get an open shot all game.
Since 2K16, ISO has always been no screens 1on1. Idk when this screen spamming “iso” era started. We was cooking back in da day.
No lie, the 2k league was never supposed to be a thing like it’s not fun to watch a full game. They foul on transition. Majority of the game styles are the same. They running a zone and nobody goes at each other. That’s really the entire 2k. Back in the old days, everyone was going at each other
Facts!
Facts, its the same 5 out offense or 2-3 defense. Like im not comp but we can do this ourselves in the REC.
@@YuhhPaul I’m saying like nobody trying to watch the same 2 people touch the ball every possession like that shit wack. Spending 100s of dollars on the game to sit corner all game
Nah fr that shit boring ash
@@Cliandrewit’s called smart basketball lil bro……your definitely a casual🤣🤣
Casual joe knows is crazy🤣
Crazy thing is the “comp” players consider joe a “content creator” before a “comp” player.
True. I like competitive 2k but never wanted to watch the 2k league cuz I didn’t kno ppl from there. That’s clearly cuz they didn’t want themselves to be seen on any other platform. This is exactly why they lost their jobs
You forgetting them all throwing games to cash their parlays🤣 them mfs made out like bandits
🤣🤣🤣
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Hey Joe I’m a long time sub and the thing I always find funny about the meta P&R is that the builds used in it was made to be based off Kylie Irving back in 18 but “us” players turned it into the Meta hide behind screens that had been running most offenses in 2k for years
Yea but that lebron build you used at the start was basically what he’s talking about 🤣
Joe gets way too much hate, it’s sad to see to be honest. He just different and has a actual connection with his teammates they aren’t toxic like majority of the 2k community 💯
They all scared lmao they know Joe is the Goat
bro you too humble accept yo flowers G💯
Pacer gaming was the only team that was dropping content
That’s bc everybody else was scared of “giving out the sauce”. Bear was the only one trying to give out league tips but even he held back on some things
They know iso takes skill that’s why they’re scared to do it. It’s easy against a bad defense but against a good defense, shit gets spooky
Jodeci is crazy😂😂😂
This a really really wild take. Everyone knew the league was a scam from the beginning. 99% of those players didn't deserve to be there. Anyone could of made that league look at lgymo smh.
Joe u don't need to explain yourself you my goat!!
As a former EA FC (FIFA) player, I've noticed the same thing happens in 2K. Performance relies more on your gaming IQ than your gaming skills. Of course, it's important to have and master skills, but your IQ will always give you an edge. As a real-life basketball player with FIBA coaching courses, it's very easy to break down teams using just your basketball IQ.
It's just a video game and for me, it's not paying my bills. So, the important thing, is to have fun. It's tough to fall short of the META, but winning games this way is rewarding.
There are many great things about this video for sure, but one thing that stood out to me is this. The talk about being a casual player. The guys Joe plays with started out as just that, casuals. But they came together and the chemistry is great!! So they took on the league and didn’t look back. Now. They are all great players. Most are top 10 at their position. It boils down to this. Joe and Black Market have it. And the league needs to catch up.
Everyone started as a casual what are u even saying
Joe ain’t the only one beating them 2k league players i just don’t have a UA-cam lol
I stg
I got twitch tho lol I’ve beat 2k league plays soccer players a baseball player 2 football players 4 basketball players cheese double H and Tutsi in the stage 1v1 oh and Tutak in the stage 3v3 10,000 court
@@jordannunnery1601like how Stephen A. Smith said ngl we don't care 😂
@@LuhhAhkk 🤣🤣
@@LuhhAhkk nobody said to care you cared enough to read the comment tho make it make sense 🤔
Beardabeast was 1 person who dropped tutorials faithfully
Any yearly 2k player should respect they even attempted to make a league and paid ppl at least 40k just to play a game
Aye Joe, you’re one of the best to do it. The hate on you is crazy
Joe feel so flattered lmaooo
Yeah I think the 2k league players thought they had some sort of job security and a lot of them got comfortable… as a spectator I watched one 2k league game and it was boring. In order form something to work you need views so I understand the 2k league going in a different direction. Hate they lost the jobs though.
Ian never watch a 2k league video but i do be watching joe n precise 2k league videos😂 no yap
2k league died because lack of player base. They want you to spend 300 min a year to make a build.
Humble flex video i fw it 🤣🤣🤣
The 2kL's BIGGEST problem is it is the ONLY "professional" game that doesn't allow its casual fanbase to play. There is no Ranked mode, there is no Solo Queueing for a rank, there are no set "league builds" that everyone has to use. If they take the 2k18/2k19 Combine and morph that into a ranked playlist with solo/duo/team queues or whatever than you will actually get some fucking viewership and your game wont die after season 2 like it has the passed 3 years. Also, if they would do this, make the rewards something specific that only you get for reaching a certain rank.
For example: Do Ranks: High School, College, G League, Pro, All-Star, Elite, Top 250 or something along those lines. Give the top 250 players like a glowing emblem. Dogshit marketing and game design teams ruined 2k.
Facts
He’s right, the next chapter for 2k league will be content creators n maybe NBA players competing against each other. There 2k league may be the sweatiest 2k players together, but it’s not good content
The 2K league wasn't gonna last because the mode they play on is not available for regular customers. 2K has no official competitive modes outside of the Pro-Am mode, which has glitched rankings every year. We can't even get detailed patchnotes like other eLeague games. Everyone, including the Pro teams, has to pay community run testers like 2K Labs to find out what adjustments 2K makes each month.
Mfs just start doing those SERIOUS wagers again.
5:50 found my 2k25 build right there
Joe might as well run a league himself tbh
2k league is boring. Nobody was watching that shit. That's why it failed
Any person that spends additional money on 2k after purchase is not a CASUAL…If you go from 85 overall to 99 you are not a casual….if you have multiple builds you are not a casual
People were literally making new builds to try to stop you and calling them. Joe knows stopper 😂
This dude teeth is ode yellow asf and spitting everywhere 😂
I came into the rec with 3-4 pf/c with like 1-2 pg/sg lol it was op for a while
Don't give anyone any ideas with the 5 - 6'8" post locks lmao
2k league being different from retail is the dumbest thing, no casual will relate to it. Imagine dota 2 esports is different from what casual people plays😂
Everybody do the same thing in the 2k leauge
I played against some 2k league players and to my surprise they were literal shitters. Their defense was so bad and shot selection so ass.
They might as well let these content creators host some sponsored leagues
Underrated
2k league is boring if it wasn’t for joe the shit would be nonexistent most them dudes that made 2k league done moved on from the game honestly
2k League players are gatekeepers they ain't tryna show nobody nuttin
League had no chance because they select nobodies
Not like there grabbing the top leaderboard grinders or hosting open tournaments to qualifying for set tournaments
ISO has been getting hated on since the dawn of competitive 2k and in reality the people who were mad at people who can dribble/iso were jealous because they couldn’t do it real talk. The 2k community has always been spiteful of people who were better than them that’s why they hate on Steezo so much 🤣
Oh we know your not a casual Joey boy❤😂🔥
Really 2 aD breaks before the 3 minute mark
Famous Enough had been saying for so long but they didnt listen
What he say?
@@gshivs793 Famous Enough constantly would advise Pro 2k players to use their position and platforms for content creation for the benefit of the league and their own branding long term
yeah if there was more pros like bear the beast the league wouldve been more watched and cared about but idk im glad the monopoly of the game having a league is over because there will just be more comp back on the actual game and the players can just make pro am tourneys like yall been doing lol. 2k needs actual 2k players to make the community in the game closer
I use to play 2k heavy and was a PF that averaged 20pt and 12 rebs in the first ever combine with 70% win percentage and didn’t make it but I know a guy that was literally a cone in the corner in a 5 out iso offense and Famous called him a “top 5” PF. I played for 16th ranked team on Xbox in 2k18th and would beat a lot of the first year league pros. I knew the league was a joke when there wasn’t a leaderboard explaining why some players made it and others didn’t. Why streamers that made it but magically did not stream during the combine. The lack of transparency during the whole process was terrible. How Choc could try and exposed the league but next year make the league. Glad I walked away from 2k.
If there embarrassed just say that 😂
That's crazy you're saying that they never went online and did any kind of tutorials or anything like that, talking to people. Wouldn't that make them a bunch of money just by getting views advertisements and all that?
So Joe why u didn’t any 2k league game play
They made u the boogeyman..
THANOS
I always said league players were overrated I watch a game and I still feel comp pro-am and comp stage players are still better
He looks a lot Like his joe knows
2k league shouldn’t have been a thing the big cash tournament they had every year should’ve stayed a thing and made for great content
It's former NBA 2k league player blame Joe knows end of 2k league it's crazy to me but casual player talk alot of trash about him not beat Nba2K League player. You can't blame him
Bruh you just get better.
The reason why nobody watches the 2K league is because nobody knows the guy who’s in it. And honestly, we don’t care. The games are boring, poorly advertised, and again, nobody knows who the hell they are. almost everybody owns 2K for themselves. Why would I want to sit there and watch a random person play the game when I could just play it myself?? The game is boring anyway. nobody watches 2K for the game itself. They watch it for who’s playing the game.
Zen User, he don't even green!!!!
And it’s boring watching them play and doing all that talking and not hearing the real players on teams talk
I agree to an extent but the part that I don’t agree with is him insinuating 5 out is on par SKILL WISE with pg and screens when in actuality anybody who plays 2k espically pro am knows 5 out is easier people complain about screens but if your a good lock u can stop it u can’t do nothing about your backend dropping u getting pulled into a contact and your back end don’t even block the ball they just call a foul and it still goes in… so it’s not necessary 5 out is easy meter dunking made it easy and made it require less skip some dudes wouldn’t be half as good with 5 out without meter dunking
Only 5 out team to win a major pro am league in 2k23 and 2k24 is my team. People say 5 out is easy but only one team has been able to use it and win the major leagues. I think if it was easy other people would have used it to win free money. A lot of good teams tried it and immediately went right back to PnR. I’m not arguing one way or another but if only one team has proven they can do it when it matters, idk. 🤷♂️
Tbh the 2kleague players had no personality.. none of them was funny n ther play style is repetitive...no trash talkin no competitiveness.. joe knows n young precise actually post content tht is competitive n b high quality lik..choc was entertaining for bein toxic..nadexe was poppin for bein toxic ..joe knows n precise not toxic but have personalities tht is likable ..put all 4 of them league goin against eachother it is content for days..the 2kleague is too safe
Never believed in “nba 2k league” reason why is because “NBA” is made for special people 6’8, 6’9, 7Ft and that goes for all sports TBH So unless some1 both with an Extra 👁️, Or extra limbs no such as “pro gaming”
Why you do it too em Joe?!
lol I’m pretty sure the prize pick shit is why the 2kL went under 😂😭
I didn’t know u were in arizona
Gameplay ain’t realistic at all lol. 2k league is hard to watch. Mfs running college zones in a NBA sim game 😩 wtf bruh
Calling people casual that play park is wild bro🤣on god I’m not a causal I shoot 60 from 3 and have a 80 win %. In stage and the city. I agree 5s is more skilled though it’s not for everyone for sure
Then all these bots in the comments putting in their inputs like they’re not BOTS
Who tf he thing he is?
Damnit Joe why'd u have to drop the sauce on the Triple Lock-Post w/T-Mac on 3s lmaooo. I've been cooking people with that lineup
Coming from a old head in 2k
And still have the first 2k
I new 2k league was trash when they play 5 out picc and roll
Only 2 people score
Ish so trash
ive always said this 2k ISNT BUILT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY LIKE THE 2k LEAGUE, the skill gap isnt big enough and the gameplay is all either animation based or bs that most competitive players can learn by simply having good chemistry with teammates. That core gameplay just isnt fun to watch competitively and its not impressive to watch these dudes play.
Yeaa joe
The game is recycled except “pro-play” or whatever, but its not much going for the game tbh
People are not always good I beat pro players an I played with or against top players an they could never stop my big man from shooting an blocking, plus they was training to only run with friends in the combined an not with players who either didn’t understand stand they corny talk about basketball or didn’t really know how to play an just only running 5 outs😂😂
Nah that’s overdoing it’s 3 fuckin sd breaks n it hasn’t Even been 4 mins I’m cool on this video done lost all interest
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
💀💀💀
They literally force teams to run pick and roll and pass the ball 😂😂
Calling people casual that play park is wild bro🤣on god I’m not a causal I shoot 60 from 3 and have a 80 win %. In stage and the city. I agree 5s is more skilled though it’s not for everyone for sure
Coming from a old head in 2k
And still have the first 2k
I new 2k league was trash when they play 5 out picc and roll
Only 2 people score
Ish so trash