drop seoi nage is probably the number one most technically demanding throws. We dont talk about amateur drop seoi otoshi, but a proper exploding drop seoi took me longer than any other throw to perfect the movement alone. There are so many details we dont notice about it
Drop seoi are not so difficult to master as de ashi barai or other techniques that require finesse and timing: in fact it's a throw very used for its efficacy and affidability. Every judo throw has a vast technical study behind, but I wouldn't put the dropping techniques as the most difficult, even at the elite level
@@mrburns2128 that’s wrong, on an amateur level of course everyone drops all the time into seoi otoshi, but on elite level it is extremely difficult. Timing needs to be perfect and the movement is extremely complex, turning MORE than 180 degree, landing with weight distributed on front leg so that rear leg can quickly elevate and explode outwards. It’s a very different technique than the senseless simple drops the amateurs do
@@thomass.4007 yet it´s still a cheated kuzushi no ri. The reason drop seoi nage/deep seoi otoshi isn´t among the most difficult throws is that it has a unique, simpler method of applying kuzushi - which is the highest discipline of judo. A technique that skips this part can´t be a particularly more difficult technique than those that utilize classic kuzushi. That´s not just for drop seoi, but all sutemi-waza; they have their quirks, but they are not on the same technical level as a proper, clean and standing forward throw. Apart from that, it´s still a mesmerizing technique.
@@kaseflip9655 Unfortunately, none of that is true. A combat technique is supposed to work on strong opponents. Judoka for centuries used suboptimal mechanics with the excuse that kuzushi just needs to be better. The truth is, any shitty technique can work if you put your opponent on your toes leaning forward, however an educated judoka wont let you do that. Both fighters use feints and fakes and all tricks in the book to achieve openings for a successful technique. Yet, the muscles involved in kuzushi are far from our strongest muscles. However, only on amateur levels you can drop without kuzushi. The twist is, that every kuzushi in every throw on a high level is only a 100s of a second before turning into tsukuri. If the kuzushi is too slow (as what people classically demonstrate as kuzushi) the opponent will already initiate a block or evade. The difficult part of kuzushi is creating momentum in a 100s of a second. If you clearly see a difference between kuzushi and tsukuri, you are too slow
@@thomass.4007 and where exactly does this disprove my point? You just explained proper kuzushi, but that doesn't change anything I said at all. Drop seoi still uses a different, cheated and easier kind of kuzushi, making it an easier technique to pull off than others. Also, please don't bring the term "suboptimal" in here - drop seoi nage, apart from kuzushi, checks off many boxes in terms of being suboptimal. It's a technique that leaves you in a bad position if failed and, far more important, is a bane on the user's knees. It's a technique that damages the user with every application - which is the exact opposite of what a good fighting technique should do. Drop seoi nage is a highly effective throw, but it's neither particularly complicated, nor is it a good technique in the spirit of seiryoku zenyo.
Theres no way those georgian style pickups are "no technique, just strength" they are picking up world class athletes, you have to be a master of timing and leverage to pull that off.
The thing with front uchi mata/ya ura nage is that it never relies on the judo principle of using your opponents strength/momentum against him. It may be technically challenging, but it doesn't require timing. I think that is why people (including myself) see this more as a power/wrestling throw rather than an elegant/swift judo-style throw.
I'm gonna go back on what I said. I think all techniques have different requirements and are probably all equally difficult in the grand scheme of things. Kosoto is a pretty mechanically easy technique to do, but it's harder than it looks to pull off.
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drop seoi nage is probably the number one most technically demanding throws. We dont talk about amateur drop seoi otoshi, but a proper exploding drop seoi took me longer than any other throw to perfect the movement alone. There are so many details we dont notice about it
Drop seoi are not so difficult to master as de ashi barai or other techniques that require finesse and timing: in fact it's a throw very used for its efficacy and affidability. Every judo throw has a vast technical study behind, but I wouldn't put the dropping techniques as the most difficult, even at the elite level
@@mrburns2128 that’s wrong, on an amateur level of course everyone drops all the time into seoi otoshi, but on elite level it is extremely difficult. Timing needs to be perfect and the movement is extremely complex, turning MORE than 180 degree, landing with weight distributed on front leg so that rear leg can quickly elevate and explode outwards. It’s a very different technique than the senseless simple drops the amateurs do
@@thomass.4007 yet it´s still a cheated kuzushi no ri. The reason drop seoi nage/deep seoi otoshi isn´t among the most difficult throws is that it has a unique, simpler method of applying kuzushi - which is the highest discipline of judo. A technique that skips this part can´t be a particularly more difficult technique than those that utilize classic kuzushi. That´s not just for drop seoi, but all sutemi-waza; they have their quirks, but they are not on the same technical level as a proper, clean and standing forward throw.
Apart from that, it´s still a mesmerizing technique.
@@kaseflip9655 Unfortunately, none of that is true. A combat technique is supposed to work on strong opponents. Judoka for centuries used suboptimal mechanics with the excuse that kuzushi just needs to be better. The truth is, any shitty technique can work if you put your opponent on your toes leaning forward, however an educated judoka wont let you do that. Both fighters use feints and fakes and all tricks in the book to achieve openings for a successful technique. Yet, the muscles involved in kuzushi are far from our strongest muscles.
However, only on amateur levels you can drop without kuzushi. The twist is, that every kuzushi in every throw on a high level is only a 100s of a second before turning into tsukuri. If the kuzushi is too slow (as what people classically demonstrate as kuzushi) the opponent will already initiate a block or evade. The difficult part of kuzushi is creating momentum in a 100s of a second. If you clearly see a difference between kuzushi and tsukuri, you are too slow
@@thomass.4007 and where exactly does this disprove my point? You just explained proper kuzushi, but that doesn't change anything I said at all. Drop seoi still uses a different, cheated and easier kind of kuzushi, making it an easier technique to pull off than others.
Also, please don't bring the term "suboptimal" in here - drop seoi nage, apart from kuzushi, checks off many boxes in terms of being suboptimal. It's a technique that leaves you in a bad position if failed and, far more important, is a bane on the user's knees. It's a technique that damages the user with every application - which is the exact opposite of what a good fighting technique should do.
Drop seoi nage is a highly effective throw, but it's neither particularly complicated, nor is it a good technique in the spirit of seiryoku zenyo.
where is the video of junior wc +100?
2:42 i thought this was a point for esposito, technichally it was him rotating
Question can you show footage from the olympics?
Unfortunately not :(
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everybody puts Narmandakhs throw picture as their video icon but dont include his amazing uchi mata smh
Theres no way those georgian style pickups are "no technique, just strength" they are picking up world class athletes, you have to be a master of timing and leverage to pull that off.
yeah that's what I think
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The thing with front uchi mata/ya ura nage is that it never relies on the judo principle of using your opponents strength/momentum against him. It may be technically challenging, but it doesn't require timing. I think that is why people (including myself) see this more as a power/wrestling throw rather than an elegant/swift judo-style throw.
I'm gonna go back on what I said. I think all techniques have different requirements and are probably all equally difficult in the grand scheme of things. Kosoto is a pretty mechanically easy technique to do, but it's harder than it looks to pull off.
What's your opinion on the recent rule changes regarding gripping?
you mean the return to old school grip breaking?