Hillarious watch. No mini would beat any of our Mustangs. Or my Dodge Scat pack. Mini coopers a joke. To be fair, I would like them to match 70s cars. Like a Lancia Stratos. DOA. I would race a mini with an older Delta. Smoked.
mini will never get a mustang, open your small eyes, when msutang gets out of corner, it just jumps,,, mini hs to ahve time for balance ahahaha, try a ferrari engine in the mini... ahahaah
OMG, This is exactly how I remembered Mini vs Mustang back in the 60's. A high school friend and I would drive to the track in Thompson Connecticut from north of Boston to watch the sports car races: bugeyes, Alfas, Jags, unlimiteds, etc., and the sedans... We would sit on a hill overlooking the hairpin at the end of the back straight that lead uphill to the start/finish. Perhaps halfway down the back straight the mustang(s) would pull out from a pack of Mini's only to be swallowed up by them at the hairpin, then all of them would charge uphill and disappear only to do it again on the next lap. Great stuff.
Look up Australian Historic Touring Car ( or Touring Car masters) races. They are a category that support the v8 supercars at race meetings. They are cars built between 1960? And 1980? I take my kids to watch them race a few times each year. They are what I grew up watching and are still awesome to watch now.👍
Saw the same thing at Sebring in the '60s. Lap after lap, same 2 cars, one Mustang, one Mini going into the hairpin. The Mini would be way back and be way out front after the hairpin... 5.27 miles later, deja vu. It was an awesome spectacle!
1 2 3 Four Five that’s just because of the body of the car of course you can stiffen as much as you want but it won’t be as composed as those minis with the massive overhangs of the body over the wheels.
That is the normal setting for the Mustang, it transfers traction to the outside wheel in hard turns, these cars have more oversteer than understeer. These guys are not as good as Dan Gurney and guys who raced these cars back in the day. A 60's Mustang in those days could pull 1g turns with the primitive tires of the era. I used to run a 66 Mustang GT, and then a '70 AAR Plymouth 'Cuda, and these cars could corner. The Plymouth was an amazing car, much faster than the Mustang, and tighter handling even with the wacky torsion bar front suspension. I can't imagine trying to drive one of these cars with right hand drive, shifting with the left hand is not something I could pick up easily, though my current car is a RHD BMW 550i.
John Johansen these were common co competitors back in the day, often in Britain and the US. It does look funny though. Even more so when they raced against the Falcons
They were the two main contenders back in their day and commonly raced against each other in Australia. All they've really done is remove the more superfluous cars from back then, like the 225 Valiants and such. Great days... :-)
Mini's are just like go-karts, they may have a tiny engine, but they only weigh as much as a sack of potatoes. Mustangs are great but they probably weigh 3 times as much as a mini lol No hate either way, i'd happily have both cars =D
this comment made me curious as to how much mustangs weigh so I Google it, they're only 1,100kg. that's less than double, I was expecting it to be way more
Your BRZ is heavy because of all the modern equipment on it. Old cars have an engine and a set of wheels and that's it. My `83 BMW 5 series weighs 1100kg, while a modern 5er is close to 1700kg
Fun race! A really good example of how horsepower doesn't mean everything. The Minis obviously went throught the corners with much more ability. Okay, a Mustand won it, but still.. I used to like Corvairs, and I found out that the late model Corvair- after having a new suspension designed for it, and a very sweet one at that- would routinely beat 'Vettes and Mustangs in races- if those races were about cornering. Laguna Seca, that kind of thing.
Me too I had a 1275 cc Austin Cooper S 1966 MODEL from 68 to 70 not the best model it had the hydro elastic suspension they did go back to the dry suspension later years Great fun and in its day pretty quick with a 0 -60 time in just under 10 seconds that was fast then My old car still survives on the gov registration web site tho it is SORN right now I paid £500 for it in 1968 hate to think what its worth now Of course My favourite movie is the Italian Job I can remember going to movies parking up in car park and going in to watch it ........came out and felt proud as punch jumping into my car
Dick Holder mine was the Morris Cooper s. Loved the thing, and very proud to own one, as they were quite rare in my area. Was parked outside a corner shop one day, as two teenage lads walked by, took a look at it and one said, wow, it's an "s". Didn't half make me feel good.
reiverone yes the twin fuel fillers were the giveaway the s always had a gearbox growl too the new Cooper S just don’t cut it with me I wish I was young again my S was a real bird puller and there was plenty of room on the back seat with the seats pushed up just carpet burns on the knees lol
I've had mini's and at the moment I own a GT Mustang - thinking about going back to a mini again because they are so much fun around the country roads. Don't get me wrong I love the mustang and I wish I could have both.
I traded in my 2007 Mustang GT for the 2012 Mini Cooper, Goodwood edition. I've had 4 Mustangs, but currently we have 2 Minis. My last Mustang was beautiful and nice to drive, but the Minis are more fun to drive. Cost more to fix too.
That was one of the cooler things I've watched in a long time. Was rooting for the Mustangs of course but those Minis are no joke. Looks like they don't have to ever actually brake for corners at all lol.
Yes sir I have your back in every caption of a back of a mini goin into a corner not one brake lights came on! Saw all kinds of stang lights though. Lol
Not really, the JCW is on the tame side of the souped up BMW Mini's, they are California legal and have the BMW warranty. There are aftermarket companies that will boost the BMW Mini to about 300+hp, there's only so much power that can be transmitted to through the front wheel before something breaks. Still will not beat a Mustang in a straight but it will keep it from running away enough that it can be passed in the corners.
@@andrewbragger2679 Lee Iacoca is credited with the idea of transforming the Falcon (which was Robert McNamara's baby) into the Mustang. I learned this by reading David Halberstam's wonderful book about Detroit's (specifically Ford's) blunders, "The Reckoning". It's a must read for car guys.
The mini has the advantage all day long, because they are lightweight and handle better than the heavy mustangs, engine size does not matter, it is all about the skill set of the driver and the agility of the car. This is why the mini and Escort could always put great races against bigger engined rivals. 👍great video one of the best I have seen on you tube Thanks for sharing
That was awesome! Hahaha. I was soooo rooting for the mini's. I'd have laughed my ass off if one had won. The guy who won drove a smart last lap not giving up that inside line. The guy in second, great job man!
4700 cc's vs 1275 . Everything using Pushrods . Great RACE . Both cars were lifting a Foot . Mini rear , Mustang front . That was always the thing with the Mini's at Bathurst . They went over the Top just fast as they went down Conrod .
In my early 20's I drove an E-type 3.8 and my best friend drove a 396 c.i. in. 375-hp Pontiac GTO. He always want to race, so I suggested - how about to the next town and back - which was just over 100 miles return. Not what he had in mind, and watching that blue Mustang going down the hill reminds me of the decades of American iron that could go like heck in a straight line, but couldn't steer or stop, which is what driving is all about.
Tom Mallon No. Roman chariot races were far more violent and the fans were rabid fanatics. This vintage car race was fun. NASCAR has just about reached the excitement of seniors in mobility scooters in the aisles of Walmart.
@@Stale_Mahoney let me guess, you are a dork. I've forgotten more about car suspensions than you will ever know. The upper control arm pivot point needs to be lowered by an inch, this will give it the proper geometry in corners without causing all the friction from the negative camber. As for your modern suspension comment the mustang has a dual wishbone suspension, same as modern car's, it's not set up properly.
@@Stale_Mahoney You read too much, and do too little. Bottom line any car, classic or modern can be set up properly for racing. In the 60's and 70's cars built in the US were required to under steer it was built into them. Live axle is not much of a liability on a smooth track.
@@Stale_Mahoney Here's the bottom line, the fact that a mustang and a mini are running neck and neck tells me something is wrong. I raced a 1970 mustang in the 80's and I was between 15 to 30 seconds a lap quicker than the minis depending on the track. Mustangs ran in GT-1 Minis ran in GT-5
@@Godznrg4u What tracks? Ones with long wide straights? As the driver of small cars that handle well i always find it frustrating to get stuck behind a Stang or Falcon etc because they hold me up around the back of the track but pull away down the straight only for me to catch them under brakes again at turn 1. Its very hard to get past an ill handling moving chicane without making a darering move but to overtake down the straight in a fast car is easy. The roads i like to drive are windy so ill take a nice handling car over muscle any day. If you think Mustangs handle well then i urge you to drive a Caterham which is basically what i have been driving to see what good handling really is.
2:24 As Minis were often nicknamed "bricks" for their blocky shape, the original expression for a group of Minis like that would be "a block of flats.) :-D
I have to make a correction to my story , it was 1965 not 1966 , Barry Seaton won the race in the GT cortina and you can see the damage on the drivers door in the post race footage , sorry about that
Phenomenal race, gotta hand it to the regulations that allow these two icons to compete in the same group. If the Mustangs were allowed to compete in Trans-Am trim, like the GT350R or the Boss 302, the Mini would have no chance at all, considering that back then in the states, these "American boats" were mixing it up with Datsun 510s, Minis and Porsche 911s, and were blowing them away in the over/under 2.0 liter classes.
...what he said. And the 2 litre 911 did most of the spanking in the us. Not the other way around. Muscle cars are good at looking and sounding mean, but its mostly just a show. They never were particularly suitable for racing.(or driving) I like them still but they are what they are.
@@user-un5iz6th1nThe 911 dominated the under 2.0 liter class not overall. Also it is a full on sports car. Muscle cars never really raced in trans am a whole lot compared to the pony cars (Camaro, Trans Am, Challenger etc....). Muscle cars mostly raced in Nascar with their longer wheelbases more suited for those tracks. Yeah you had to know how to drive to manhandle a pony car.
Milky Boy leaf spring did finish in front. Now......it is understood the inevitable sling shot of a Mini is an incredibly developed car. And a hoot to drive. But the fact remains the Mini is inferior. Leaf spring is just a bit to much for the little car. Now in a phone both I will take the Mini. Otherwise it is second. FIA cannot save them in Australia.
Those are when a Cooper S meant something in performance. On the new Minis, it is just a name. In 1977 I looked at a brand new Mini with wheel flares, mag wheels and stereo, it was $3995; the Monte Carlo I looked at was about $7,000.
Why do you say that. I think it's more impressive that the Pony car with all that weight and garbage steering, suspension and brakes. Could keep up and lead this type of track. Where mini Cooper's are built for cornering and often competed in rally race's.
@@timphoto83ec It's also a lot easier to keep a small nibble car with good steering and brakes in the corners. Then a heavy boat with dinosaur steering and brakes on the corners of the track. Especially with a car with hundreds of vids showing its oversteer hindrance. Easier to keep a car straight on a straight.
Back in the 70's in the UK, we used to have unrestricted rally cross on the telly with 400bhp twin cam turbo Minis; They'd be neck and neck with 5/600 bhp Escorts, and I'm sure they'd have any muscle car for breakfast.
These two cars are like ying and yang , completely opposite , the thing is.. if you race on a track where there are more straight lines that curves it's most likely that the mustang will win, if you have more turns than straight lines the mini will win.
Sort of. Although Minis also won at Bathurst in '66 (I think), and it's generally a track optimized for V8s...steep hills and long straights for the most part. The only parts that would really be considered ideal for a Mini was The Cutting and The Esses/Dipper. But they won - in style. :-) But you're right - the Mustang is a "point and squirt" style of car - the Mini is a "get it up to speed, then avoid slowing - _ever_ - even for corners - if you can possibly avoid it. Makes it a much more fun car to drive in the real world also, where there aren't as many perfectly straight roads to play on.
@@aussiebloke609 The Mini would up being the exception that proved the rule when it comes to racing. Cortina's were not far behind, along with the BMW 2002. Somehow, they were just right.
This is so hilarious. I'm so happy I found this video. Lifelong Chevy fan and this made my bloody day, week, year, decade LOL Yes, I know racing but to actually watch Mustangs duelling Minis...as a Chevy guy...this is bloody hilarious. My 2 bits
i am so glad these races are available, much better to watch than nascar or indy where they just go in circles. the tans am series was fun to watch in my day
pffffff put it up against a ford mustang nasscar, put it up against a mustang australian v8 supercar put it up against a john force drag car , put the mini motor into a powerboat or het sprint, put it up against the ford big foots , put it up against the ford focus world rally cars , lol its a masv insult ford racing against mini, what the fuck lets get a shit track for old mustangs with too many corners and make them race minis , oooo yaeee we beat a mini,, ooooh wow a mini?
My mom had a mini when I was young, and she got pulled over by the Cops for not having any brake lights. She and the cop went to the back and I put my foot on the brake pedal, and voila, brake lights! The Cop stated that he never saw them when she went around the corners, and mum replied, I dont need to brake because I have gears and that slows me down enough to corner. The Cop walked away shaking his head!
I have a mustang it dose just fine on back roads. But big rubber of course. Dodge and there "cars" are what you mean by straight line cars. Vette cameros & mustang are not shabby on a track.
This is beautiful. I'll save this video nicely somewhere This is why I love old car racing far more than new car racing. New car racing is far faster but I like the looks of the old cars so much more
The blue cars. Mustang and Morris Cooper S, were team members back in the days of the Imroved Production class. The Coopers are a worked version of the Series Production cars that filled the top nine places at Bathurst in 1966. So we have Norm Beechey's Stang and Peter Manton's S. Missing is the Team Neptune Lotus Cortina of Jim McKeown which was credited with being the fastest on the planet.
+David Lyon Interesting, all I saw was those Yank Tanks taking two of the top three spots... As a "Yank" I prefer Mini's over just about anything American, but that's because agility interests me personally more than brute torque. It's sad really, reading such derogatory drivel. Both cars are exceptional in their own right.
+64fairlane359 It's amazing how when we think of "lightweight japanese sports cars" we think of things like the RX-7, which was at least 1200 kg, but the standard old mustangs were around 100 kg lighter than that when standard.
+64fairlane359 You're wrong kid!...1160kg is the weight of the V6 base model. The 289 V8's you see here are between 1300-1370kg then add the weight of the safety equipment (roll cage, fire bottles etc) and you're looking at around 1360-1420kg. In HSCC historic racing here in the UK for example, the MINIMUM weight allowed for a 1964-65 Mustang is 1455kg (weight including driver) so even if the driver is 100kg the car won't weigh any less than 1355kg.
Two cars that couldn't be much more different and yet they are incredibly well matched on this circuit. What a fun race to watch.
02:38 yahkl baby you ahve to wait for another life...
Hillarious watch. No mini would beat any of our Mustangs. Or my Dodge Scat pack. Mini coopers a joke. To be fair, I would like them to match 70s cars. Like a Lancia Stratos. DOA. I would race a mini with an older Delta. Smoked.
@@donaldgoodnight7853 wow, you're such a rEaL mAn!
@@europeinvasion3057 Obese mustang in the corners though.
@@donaldgoodnight7853 You mean "my mum's kia"
Phenominal bit of racing between the blue Mini and Mustang. Well done, guys!
02:38 yahkl baby you ahve to wait for another life...
mini will never get a mustang, open your small eyes, when msutang gets out of corner, it just jumps,,, mini hs to ahve time for balance ahahaha, try a ferrari engine in the mini... ahahaah
Both blue and white
@@europeinvasion3057callese señora
OMG, This is exactly how I remembered Mini vs Mustang back in the 60's. A high school friend and I would drive to the track in Thompson Connecticut from north of Boston to watch the sports car races: bugeyes, Alfas, Jags, unlimiteds, etc., and the sedans... We would sit on a hill overlooking the hairpin at the end of the back straight that lead uphill to the start/finish. Perhaps halfway down the back straight the mustang(s) would pull out from a pack of Mini's only to be swallowed up by them at the hairpin, then all of them would charge uphill and disappear only to do it again on the next lap. Great stuff.
Look up Australian Historic Touring Car ( or Touring Car masters) races. They are a category that support the v8 supercars at race meetings.
They are cars built between 1960? And 1980? I take my kids to watch them race a few times each year. They are what I grew up watching and are still awesome to watch now.👍
That must have been great fun
Saw the same thing at Sebring in the '60s. Lap after lap, same 2 cars, one Mustang, one Mini going into the hairpin. The Mini would be way back and be way out front after the hairpin... 5.27 miles later, deja vu. It was an awesome spectacle!
Look up “historic Winton” at Winton, Victoria - there is no better race meeting for vehicles of this era.
That blue mustang is running some serious -camber.
He's the one out front so must be the way to go!
It leans alot too. So maybe softer suspension?
1 2 3 Four Five that’s just because of the body of the car of course you can stiffen as much as you want but it won’t be as composed as those minis with the massive overhangs of the body over the wheels.
Softer suspension also gives better mechanical grip - usually at the expense of stability, however.
That is the normal setting for the Mustang, it transfers traction to the outside wheel in hard turns, these cars have more oversteer than understeer. These guys are not as good as Dan Gurney and guys who raced these cars back in the day. A 60's Mustang in those days could pull 1g turns with the primitive tires of the era. I used to run a 66 Mustang GT, and then a '70 AAR Plymouth 'Cuda, and these cars could corner. The Plymouth was an amazing car, much faster than the Mustang, and tighter handling even with the wacky torsion bar front suspension. I can't imagine trying to drive one of these cars with right hand drive, shifting with the left hand is not something I could pick up easily, though my current car is a RHD BMW 550i.
Aussies are different!
In the positive way.
That's some of the funniest racing I've ever seen!
John Johansen these were common co competitors back in the day, often in Britain and the US. It does look funny though. Even more so when they raced against the Falcons
Watch the Goodwood festival of speed ! 👍
@@robbietheretrorobot949 revival*, festival of speed is the hillclimb
This takes place at Goodwood as well
when your mom tells you to take your little sibling along.
who the f*** got the idea to join this 2 cars in a race ??? Very clever.... can i have this instead of formula 1 pls ? 🦄
They were the two main contenders back in their day and commonly raced against each other in Australia. All they've really done is remove the more superfluous cars from back then, like the 225 Valiants and such.
Great days... :-)
Well i really like f1 because i love seeing the potential of the cars so lets just have both
Or how about F1 versus NASCAR??
Plus, in vintage racing, you see larger and more generalized groups of cars. Idea is to have fun, not come up with the fairest competitions.
@@glutenfreegam3r177Too much difference, F1 would own the road tracks and NASCAR would own the ovals. Better would be F1 vs IndyCAR.
Mini's are just like go-karts, they may have a tiny engine, but they only weigh as much as a sack of potatoes. Mustangs are great but they probably weigh 3 times as much as a mini lol No hate either way, i'd happily have both cars =D
this comment made me curious as to how much mustangs weigh so I Google it, they're only 1,100kg. that's less than double, I was expecting it to be way more
John Edwards the mini could take the galaxie 500s as well
Really?! My BRZ is 1200 kg, I can't imagine a mustang weighing less. Anyone?
The Mini has a history of motorsport success due to its general design, not just because it is very light!
Your BRZ is heavy because of all the modern equipment on it. Old cars have an engine and a set of wheels and that's it. My `83 BMW 5 series weighs 1100kg, while a modern 5er is close to 1700kg
A British icon vs an American icon. What more could you hope for? :D
vs Aussie icon remember this is an Australian track
@@xplosiv2756 what kind of car would an Aussie have?
Holden is a Australian car brand, they race with it, don't know if they got an icon.
@@Larstig81 thanks chief
Torana, Monaro icons of the only Australian owned car manufacturer.HOLDEN
Fun race! A really good example of how horsepower doesn't mean everything. The Minis obviously went throught the corners with much more ability. Okay, a Mustand won it, but still..
I used to like Corvairs, and I found out that the late model Corvair- after having a new suspension designed for it, and a very sweet one at that- would routinely beat 'Vettes and Mustangs in races- if those races were about cornering. Laguna Seca, that kind of thing.
@stephen john gray Balls said the Queen. If I had them l would be King!
wow, what a race. David "v"s Golioth, brilliant to watch. Had a 1275 cooper s in the sixties, wish I still had it.
Me too I had a 1275 cc Austin Cooper S 1966 MODEL from 68 to 70 not the best model it had the hydro elastic suspension they did go back to the dry suspension later years Great fun and in its day pretty quick with a 0 -60 time in just under 10 seconds that was fast then My old car still survives on the gov registration web site tho it is SORN right now I paid £500 for it in 1968 hate to think what its worth now Of course My favourite movie is the Italian Job I can remember going to movies parking up in car park and going in to watch it ........came out and felt proud as punch jumping into my car
Dick Holder mine was the Morris Cooper s. Loved the thing, and very proud to own one, as they were quite rare in my area. Was parked outside a corner shop one day, as two teenage lads walked by, took a look at it and one said, wow, it's an "s". Didn't half make me feel good.
reiverone yes the twin fuel fillers were the giveaway the s always had a gearbox growl too the new Cooper S just don’t cut it with me I wish I was young again my S was a real bird puller and there was plenty of room on the back seat with the seats pushed up just carpet burns on the knees lol
I've had mini's and at the moment I own a GT Mustang - thinking about going back to a mini again because they are so much fun around the country roads. Don't get me wrong I love the mustang and I wish I could have both.
5150MT || lol, need a gt350 or boss302 for country roads
I traded in my 2007 Mustang GT for the 2012 Mini Cooper, Goodwood edition. I've had 4 Mustangs, but currently we have 2 Minis. My last Mustang was beautiful and nice to drive, but the Minis are more fun to drive. Cost more to fix too.
Yeah, have both. Keep the Mini in the boot.
Funny to see the size comparison but a great example of handling vs horsepower. Well done gentlemen.
That was one of the cooler things I've watched in a long time. Was rooting for the Mustangs of course but those Minis are no joke. Looks like they don't have to ever actually brake for corners at all lol.
only when you're being held up lol and of course violent corners as does any car.
Yes sir I have your back in every caption of a back of a mini goin into a corner not one brake lights came on! Saw all kinds of stang lights though. Lol
Not really, the JCW is on the tame side of the souped up BMW Mini's, they are California legal and have the BMW warranty.
There are aftermarket companies that will boost the BMW Mini to about 300+hp, there's only so much power that can be transmitted to through the front wheel before something breaks.
Still will not beat a Mustang in a straight but it will keep it from running away enough that it can be passed in the corners.
only have to brake if there's a shitty mustang in the way :P
theyre not real minis so ur argument is invalid
must give some credit to mini because the ability to compete with bigger engine car. thumbs up from me.
I'd think you would, bearing in mind the mini was designed to take the kids to school and the mustang was designed to be a muscle car!!!
@@andrewbragger2679 The original Mustang was actually a Ford Falcon (Ford's economy car) with new body panels.
It is a self preservation society !
Nice one Russ, I didn't know that. I always thought the falcon was a great looking car.
@@andrewbragger2679 Lee Iacoca is credited with the idea of transforming the Falcon (which was Robert McNamara's baby) into the Mustang.
I learned this by reading David Halberstam's wonderful book about Detroit's (specifically Ford's) blunders, "The Reckoning". It's a must read for car guys.
Quite possibly the best thing I have ever watched
I know it was a fun race . but the yank tank. had to use all of the track . the f1 boys can't do that anymore . respect to the mighty mini 👍🇬🇧
The mini has the advantage all day long, because they are lightweight and handle better than the heavy mustangs, engine size does not matter, it is all about the skill set of the driver and the agility of the car. This is why the mini and Escort could always put great races against bigger engined rivals. 👍great video one of the best I have seen on you tube Thanks for sharing
I really enjoyed this race. So cool to see each cars strongpoints.
I don't know how many times I've watched this, but every time it pops up, I can't help but watch it again
the original mini was under rated , it was a blast to drive in the tight and twisties !
When was the Mini ever under rated?! It's been a legend since day one.
The minis just sail through the corners & the mustangs come into their own on the straights. Whoever thought of Mini v Mustang racing got it spot-on 👌
Great fun. It reminds me of the Mini vs. Pontiac Parisienne races at Gosport in Canada in the 1960s.
That was awesome! Hahaha. I was soooo rooting for the mini's. I'd have laughed my ass off if one had won. The guy who won drove a smart last lap not giving up that inside line. The guy in second, great job man!
Only a 5 lap race . Wait for a bit of brake fade and then different story.
Love it! Awesome racing featuring two great rivals!
Watching all those tiny cars together was so funny hahah I want one
Yeah like a pack of chihuahuas !
@ I didn't get one haha
@@laurasanchez7105 ..Ya can have me😂🇬🇧😍
@@daniellarcombe8083 Boiiii
4700 cc's vs 1275 . Everything using Pushrods . Great RACE . Both cars were lifting a Foot . Mini rear , Mustang front .
That was always the thing with the Mini's at Bathurst . They went over the Top just fast as they went down Conrod .
The blue vs blue battle was fantastic! Respect. These races are so fun, good for you Australians
Watching that little blue pedal car terrorise that crowd slayer was the most fun I've had in some time🤣
2:25 Judging by the sound, a "Swarm of Minis" feels right to me.
I am a Bathurst boy, remember minis racing on Mt Panorama. This is so much fun, thanks!
What a great vid, brings back memories when I had a Mini Cooper engined Ranger Cub (three wheeler) back in the UK.
Great stuff and it just shows that with "real" cars on a good circuit it`s not just about outright speed. Loved it.
Video made my day, thank you!
David and Goliath is the perfect description! Both cars are spot on and a great pair neck and neck.
In my early 20's I drove an E-type 3.8 and my best friend drove a 396 c.i. in. 375-hp Pontiac GTO. He always want to race, so I suggested - how about to the next town and back - which was just over 100 miles return. Not what he had in mind, and watching that blue Mustang going down the hill reminds me of the decades of American iron that could go like heck in a straight line, but couldn't steer or stop, which is what driving is all about.
Makes NASCAR look like a Roman chariot race.
Tom Mallon No. Roman chariot races were far more violent and the fans were rabid fanatics. This vintage car race was fun. NASCAR has just about reached the excitement of seniors in mobility scooters in the aisles of Walmart.
til her daddy took her T-Bird away....
OMG this is AWESOME! Gotta love this!
Love seeing this. As the owner of a 66 mustang and my brother the owner of a classic mini it's hilarious!!!
These races are great fun to watch. Do they have cameras in the cars?
That Mustang had so much camber!
I said the same thing, Way too much negative camber, kills the corner speed and the straight line speed.
@@Stale_Mahoney let me guess, you are a dork. I've forgotten more about car suspensions than you will ever know. The upper control arm pivot point needs to be lowered by an inch, this will give it the proper geometry in corners without causing all the friction from the negative camber.
As for your modern suspension comment the mustang has a dual wishbone suspension, same as modern car's, it's not set up properly.
@@Stale_Mahoney You read too much, and do too little. Bottom line any car, classic or modern can be set up properly for racing. In the 60's and 70's cars built in the US were required to under steer it was built into them. Live axle is not much of a liability on a smooth track.
@@Stale_Mahoney Here's the bottom line, the fact that a mustang and a mini are running neck and neck tells me something is wrong. I raced a 1970 mustang in the 80's and I was between 15 to 30 seconds a lap quicker than the minis depending on the track. Mustangs ran in GT-1 Minis ran in GT-5
@@Godznrg4u What tracks? Ones with long wide straights? As the driver of small cars that handle well i always find it frustrating to get stuck behind a Stang or Falcon etc because they hold me up around the back of the track but pull away down the straight only for me to catch them under brakes again at turn 1. Its very hard to get past an ill handling moving chicane without making a darering move but to overtake down the straight in a fast car is easy. The roads i like to drive are windy so ill take a nice handling car over muscle any day. If you think Mustangs handle well then i urge you to drive a Caterham which is basically what i have been driving to see what good handling really is.
2:24 As Minis were often nicknamed "bricks" for their blocky shape, the original expression for a group of Minis like that would be "a block of flats.) :-D
What great racing! Enjoyed this very much.
I absolutely loved that. I've been a Miniac since my childhood and I wish we'd had such races here in England.
We do, look up Goodwood Classic racing.
" A murder of minis "
We’re don’t look anything like crows!
It’s like watching a gang of Corgis hanging around a couple of horses
great racing,had me on the edge of my seat.
I’d have the Mini. I do, I’ve had 4. Love them! Fabulous lil things
you can feel the menacing auora the mini influences on the mustang despite it's small size
Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is what I call "proper racing". ❤
Wow much love from Jamaica wow great mini vs mustang I do enjoy the race of both cars a wonderful combine of cars to race.
I like them both, but what race were you watching?
3:58 EXTREME ULTRA SUPER LATE BRAKING!!
mini: imma do what's called a pro gamer move.
I had to watch solely on the statement ‘ muscle car and mini in the same sentence. I love minis.
Coming from a future small Mustang owner, it's really cool to see these two small cars go head to head
used to go to Brands in the'70's to watch group5 saloons. all this stuff, galaxies versus minis and anglias..
Amazing blue Mini..
so cool!!
Mini
I have to make a correction to my story , it was 1965 not 1966 , Barry Seaton won the race in the GT cortina and you can see the damage on the drivers door in the post race footage , sorry about that
What story?
That was awesome entertaining racing!
3:10 onwards holy shit that was epic!!@_@
Phenomenal race, gotta hand it to the regulations that allow these two icons to compete in the same group. If the Mustangs were allowed to compete in Trans-Am trim, like the GT350R or the Boss 302, the Mini would have no chance at all, considering that back then in the states, these "American boats" were mixing it up with Datsun 510s, Minis and Porsche 911s, and were blowing them away in the over/under 2.0 liter classes.
What you can see in the video are not the fastest mini. I am a former Belgian Champion on mini cooper (Group 5) They are bombs.
...what he said. And the 2 litre 911 did most of the spanking in the us. Not the other way around.
Muscle cars are good at looking and sounding mean, but its mostly just a show. They never were particularly suitable for racing.(or driving)
I like them still but they are what they are.
@@user-un5iz6th1nThe 911 dominated the under 2.0 liter class not overall. Also it is a full on sports car.
Muscle cars never really raced in trans am a whole lot compared to the pony cars (Camaro, Trans Am, Challenger etc....). Muscle cars mostly raced in Nascar with their longer wheelbases more suited for those tracks.
Yeah you had to know how to drive to manhandle a pony car.
Two tiny classics racing together is amazing
OMG...love this shit...I have minis and mustangs and always love seeing them battle it out.
EPIC !!!!
mustang =HOW TO UNDERSTEER INCREDIBLY BADLY
Leaf spring
Milky Boy leaf spring did finish in front. Now......it is understood the inevitable sling shot of a Mini is an incredibly developed car. And a hoot to drive. But the fact remains the Mini is inferior. Leaf spring is just a bit to much for the little car. Now in a phone both I will take the Mini. Otherwise it is second. FIA cannot save them in Australia.
mini: how to die in a minor accident
Those are when a Cooper S meant something in performance. On the new Minis, it is just a name.
In 1977 I looked at a brand new Mini with wheel flares, mag wheels and stereo, it was $3995; the Monte Carlo I looked at was about $7,000.
BRILLIANT I loved watching this such good fun🤣😁
Mustangs were categorized as small cars when they first appeared.
They were also seen as feminine cars
Probably because they're based on the compact Falcon.
Tiberian Fiend mustangs are essentially just better falcon sprints
that mini is a better driver
Yes!
Why do you say that. I think it's more impressive that the Pony car with all that weight and garbage steering, suspension and brakes. Could keep up and lead this type of track. Where mini Cooper's are built for cornering and often competed in rally race's.
@@jerryvelasco1474 easy to pass a small car down a wide straight with cubes but hard to pass a big car all over the place through the corners.
@@timphoto83ec
It's also a lot easier to keep a small nibble car with good steering and brakes in the corners. Then a heavy boat with dinosaur steering and brakes on the corners of the track. Especially with a car with hundreds of vids showing its oversteer hindrance. Easier to keep a car straight on a straight.
That's bloody amazing
Soooo cool I had to pause the vid whilst I type my comment as to not miss a single turn!!! Awesome!
Back in the 70's in the UK, we used to have unrestricted rally cross on the telly with 400bhp twin cam turbo Minis; They'd be neck and neck with 5/600 bhp Escorts, and I'm sure they'd have any muscle car for breakfast.
And for lunch and tea?
I remember those escorts we did some testing on them at Roush. Hot stuff.
and im sure they would be able to comfortable drive 500 miles across the u.s.....oh wait.
@@frigglebiscuit7484
Lol, the butthurt is strong with this one.
The mighty Brick.
orsm! Andrew in the blue mini built my mini engine. Great guy! Remember that it's only 1000cc. amazing
That second place mini was in front of a lot of mustangs. Great racing.
These two cars are like ying and yang , completely opposite , the thing is.. if you race on a track where there are more straight lines that curves it's most likely that the mustang will win, if you have more turns than straight lines the mini will win.
Sort of. Although Minis also won at Bathurst in '66 (I think), and it's generally a track optimized for V8s...steep hills and long straights for the most part. The only parts that would really be considered ideal for a Mini was The Cutting and The Esses/Dipper. But they won - in style. :-)
But you're right - the Mustang is a "point and squirt" style of car - the Mini is a "get it up to speed, then avoid slowing - _ever_ - even for corners - if you can possibly avoid it. Makes it a much more fun car to drive in the real world also, where there aren't as many perfectly straight roads to play on.
Truth
@@aussiebloke609 The Mini would up being the exception that proved the rule when it comes to racing. Cortina's were not far behind, along with the BMW 2002. Somehow, they were just right.
dancing round the giants
This is so hilarious. I'm so happy I found this video. Lifelong Chevy fan and this made my bloody day, week, year, decade LOL Yes, I know racing but to actually watch Mustangs duelling Minis...as a Chevy guy...this is bloody hilarious. My 2 bits
i am so glad these races are available, much better to watch than nascar or indy where they just go in circles. the tans am series was fun to watch in my day
1275cc 4 cylinder vs (i think)6.0 V8 ,pretty impressive for 80 bhp maximum to do that ha
mustangs never had a 6.0
Those Mustangs came with the 281 I believe
289
mustangs had 2cyl...air compressor motors
6 liter mustang?! We got an expert here !
Can't explain how big the grin I'm wearing right now, (confirmed Mini man)
pffffff put it up against a ford mustang nasscar, put it up against a mustang australian v8 supercar put it up against a john force drag car , put the mini motor into a powerboat or het sprint, put it up against the ford big foots , put it up against the ford focus world rally cars , lol its a masv insult ford racing against mini, what the fuck lets get a shit track for old mustangs with too many corners and make them race minis , oooo yaeee we beat a mini,, ooooh wow a mini?
Nothing is cooler as watching these Minis cornering! 🤩
Smiling for 8 minutes. Better than any F1 race to watch
So...which one is Mr. Bean? :-DDD This must be the funniest race ever! Love both cars
I have 3 Mustangs. Now i want a Mini. Lol
And I have 3 minis. But I won't a mustang
I just bloody love it, THIS is racing.
My mom had a mini when I was young, and she got pulled over by the Cops for not having any brake lights. She and the cop went to the back and I put my foot on the brake pedal, and voila, brake lights! The Cop stated that he never saw them when she went around the corners, and mum replied, I dont need to brake because I have gears and that slows me down enough to corner. The Cop walked away shaking his head!
Its a Murder of Mini.
Thank you.
Nah, they are flying bricks, so they must be a Wall.
I guess that proves it. Muscle cars are only good in a straight line. :-)
bs, the Mustang Carries weights to be allowed in the same class..then add a lame driver
Nah just get wider wheels on a muscle car and you'll be ok.
The mustang won... and another one took third. How the hell did you come to the conclusion that muscle cars are only good in a straight line?
I have a mustang it dose just fine on back roads. But big rubber of course. Dodge and there "cars" are what you mean by straight line cars. Vette cameros & mustang are not shabby on a track.
Look up the 350R mustang tell me your thoughts?
I didn't know I wanted to see this today.
do they have to stick with a series?
This is hilarious!
Yeah - makes you think of the Minions!
This is how embarassment the american muscle...
@@aliceshaw8265 imagine... how if vin diesel meet with rowan atkinson in fast furious and race in town... so funny...
This is beautiful. I'll save this video nicely somewhere
This is why I love old car racing far more than new car racing. New car racing is far faster but I like the looks of the old cars so much more
Absolutely magnificent. I did not know what to root for this time around - First gen Mustang or Mini's! Both high on my list of beautiful cars
The blue cars. Mustang and Morris Cooper S, were team members back in the days of the Imroved Production class. The Coopers are a worked version of the Series Production cars that filled the top nine places at Bathurst in 1966.
So we have Norm Beechey's Stang and Peter Manton's S. Missing is the Team Neptune Lotus Cortina of Jim McKeown which was credited with being the fastest on the planet.
Have driven a 1275 Cooper S and a 289 Mustang. Ford build quality is dire. Just brute force, no finesse. Mini is for drivers.
And the Mini build quality was typical Brit of the times - that is, even worse !
Love them both, though !
Minis were well made, look at how BMC tested them, they were tough basterds inside and out.
mini quality was fucking garbage.
@@frigglebiscuit7484
Mustangs were and are piece of shit crowd slayers.
Great to see the little British Mini's smashing those overweight Yank Tanks........................
+David Lyon Interesting, all I saw was those Yank Tanks taking two of the top three spots... As a "Yank" I prefer Mini's over just about anything American, but that's because agility interests me personally more than brute torque. It's sad really, reading such derogatory drivel. Both cars are exceptional in their own right.
+David Lyon these "overweight" yanks are about 1100kilos kid
+64fairlane359 It's amazing how when we think of "lightweight japanese sports cars" we think of things like the RX-7, which was at least 1200 kg, but the standard old mustangs were around 100 kg lighter than that when standard.
+64fairlane359 You're wrong kid!...1160kg is the weight of the V6 base model. The 289 V8's you see here are between 1300-1370kg then add the weight of the safety equipment (roll cage, fire bottles etc) and you're looking at around 1360-1420kg. In HSCC historic racing here in the UK for example, the MINIMUM weight allowed for a 1964-65 Mustang is 1455kg (weight including driver) so even if the driver is 100kg the car won't weigh any less than 1355kg.
+David Lyon Should see a Saab then, The Saab 9000 weighs 1,410kg to 1,475kg and they handle fine.
I love them both - great cars. James Hunt drove a Mini Cooper off the track.
Dude, thats an awesome idea