Widows in the Army: The Tragic Tale of Mrs Cochan

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  • @cameronsmith4913
    @cameronsmith4913 6 років тому +53

    So incredibly touching. Becoming a Patron supporter to this channel was well worth it.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +6

      I'm glad that you think so. Especially consider this video was originally meant to be another patron-voted video, but I didn't think I had enough research yet for it!

  • @fluffman1067
    @fluffman1067 6 років тому +71

    I love your work and I love how you put true heart into your work

  • @hamm6033
    @hamm6033 6 років тому +21

    That sir was very touching and memorable. You made an old man fondly think of comrades past. All soldiers no matter the decade or conflict knew exactly what he was speaking about. Thank you. I also went straight to Amazon and ordered a copy of the book.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +1

      I'm glad to hear that- and you'll certainly enjoy the text! It's an incredible window into that time period.

  • @0311matt
    @0311matt 6 років тому +34

    its good how times have changed. i fought in Iraq in the USMC. when one of us fell, the family was told pretty much in the first 24-48 hours. God rest them all.

  • @360Nomad
    @360Nomad 6 років тому +36

    War widows arguably had it worse during the Napoleonic Wars and earlier conflicts since they might not find out that their husbands were killed at all until years after the fact on account of armies not having an official casualty reporting system.

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms 2 роки тому +2

      Not to mention that really the only way to notify the family if a soldier was killed would be if someone in his unit knew where they lived and hadn't also been killed. They didn't have extensive family and medical records like they do today. If I went to war today and died, they'd be able to tell my uncle in Kolpino I've never even met. Of course, they probably wouldn't, but they'd have that ability

  • @BrandonF
    @BrandonF  2 роки тому +1

    Just going through a backlog of older videos, so for all two of you who will find this video so many years after its upload, I just wanted to give a quick correction: in the Long 18th C., preparing food was not actually a common duty for women following the army. The preparation of rations is something that would be handled by the men in the same groups as they draw their rations. Women meanwhile would be receiving separate rations, and prepare their own food. More common duties for civilian followers included laundry, animal care, and potentially acting as orderlies for regimental surgeons and the like.

  • @Peacich
    @Peacich 6 років тому +18

    shit brandon. i expected you to shed a tear at some point.
    very good content. very emotional. thumbs up

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +6

      Very nearly did, at a few points...

  • @bard1397
    @bard1397 6 років тому +6

    I'm so glad you played "Bonnie Light Horseman" at the end. I had it running through my head the entire video.

  • @flamedestroyer6
    @flamedestroyer6 6 років тому +65

    I didn't realise that it was possible for Americans to sound posh.

    • @blankblank6545
      @blankblank6545 6 років тому +9

      Proof that there is hope for every soul.

    • @flamedestroyer6
      @flamedestroyer6 6 років тому +9

      Micahistory Yeah, so what? Most people in the UK don't sound posh.

    • @fredricknoe3114
      @fredricknoe3114 6 років тому +6

      flamedestroyer6 All We need is 3 bottles of Snapple.

    • @piperjj4486
      @piperjj4486 5 років тому +1

      @@danielmorris6584 Right back at you patriot bastard.

    • @cutiesoupia
      @cutiesoupia 5 років тому +1

      Well they did start a revolution cause off the taxes. Sooooooooo

  • @Tiger89Lilly
    @Tiger89Lilly 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you. People always think of the men as they march to war but from the beginning of time it's the women who have had their own battles to fight on the home front being both mum and dad, carer, housekeeper, wage earner, nurse, cook, schoolteacher, seemstress bill payer. Every day praying that their husbands, sons and brothers will come home or write or someone in their company will let them know what happened. I am desperatly trying to get my hands on the women's side of history especially war and politics and the other side of the man's story. This was such a blessing. Your voice is so soothing it would be great if you could read the whole book

  • @thatsnodildo1974
    @thatsnodildo1974 6 років тому +26

    I'm currently reading all quiet on the western front. I gotta say it gives a grim picture of the first ww1. That account is fairly tame to what is portrayed in all quiet. But it is all the same. In the end it's a life shattered and innocents lost.

    • @arfyego0682
      @arfyego0682 6 років тому +3

      I read that one too. It's a great portrayal indeed where the protagonist isn't like so many others, where they aren't "too good" to kill, but they do it rather for survival.

  • @MichaelCollins1922
    @MichaelCollins1922 6 років тому +3

    Great video, mate. Most history buffs, myself included, tend to forget about the loved ones who are affected by war.

  • @peterblood50
    @peterblood50 6 років тому +1

    I was already a fan of yours, but now I'm a fan for life. Everyone recounts the exciting parts of a battle but only a handful cover the personal consequences of it, and none have handled it with more compassion than you have done here. A very fine and necessary piece of work and I thank you for it.

  • @eldorados_lost_searcher
    @eldorados_lost_searcher 6 років тому +29

    Here's forty schillings on the drum
    For those who volunteered to come
    To 'list and fight the foe today
    Over the hills and far away...

    • @RickBrode
      @RickBrode 5 років тому

      Garret LeBuis is it not shilling?

  • @Epicuresfan
    @Epicuresfan 6 років тому +1

    Utterly brilliant. You sir, are something special.

  • @dmh0667ify
    @dmh0667ify 6 років тому +1

    Very powerful, thanks be to you for it, good sir.

  • @crusaderanimation6967
    @crusaderanimation6967 3 роки тому +1

    This is "War, war never changes moment"

  • @giacomopandiani6290
    @giacomopandiani6290 6 років тому +1

    Thank you for this.

  • @MetaSynForYourSoul
    @MetaSynForYourSoul 2 роки тому

    Man, Brandon, nobody on UA-cam makes history real like you do. Every time you speak about the past with such eloquence and raw feeling, i can't help but be transported to the place and time, seeing the event so clear in my minds eye I can almost delude myself into thinking I was there. I can see it, I can smell the recently fired guns, see the smoky battlefield, hear the lamentations of the wounded and the widows. Yes, I am a survivor of this nameless 18th century Battle between England and France, African American born that I am. I hear you speak and I am transfixed, instantly transported into history. I'm sure many have told you this, and maybe a 4 year old video isn't the best delivery method, but I just gotta say, my God man, you got a gift! I'd watch you do this on PBS. Get Townsends involved call it the 18th century power hour. Think about it.😂

  • @guillaumetastet1940
    @guillaumetastet1940 6 років тому +2

    Très beau travail ! Your reading was astonishing. Un grand merci pour ce moment

  • @rollinpatrolin6218
    @rollinpatrolin6218 6 років тому +3

    Wow that's such a sad story, yet great narration and great information Brandon!

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +1

      Thank you! The narrative is filled with examples like this one, but I think that this is among the strongest.

  • @theblackprince1346
    @theblackprince1346 6 років тому +26

    Brandon if you can find a copy check out A Dorset Soldier: The Autobiography of Sgt William Lawrence. Like harris' book it's the memoirs of a napoleonic war british solider but Sergeant Lawrence was in the 40th foot not the 95th. He fought at every major battle in the peninsular and at Waterloo and lived to the age of 79.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +12

      A remarkable life! It will be interesting to see an account from a line soldier, rather than a rifleman. On to my list it goes.

  • @xlp3461
    @xlp3461 6 років тому +1

    i was never really interested in this but when im bored its a good listen

  • @menschman1464
    @menschman1464 6 років тому +10

    Ive recently been reading a book about the Paraguayan war of the 1860s, theres a passage about the mato grosso campaign, something of a sideshow from the main campaign of the war which took place in the south around the bellaco and the rio paraguay and consisted of large scale battles with trenches and massive earthen fortifications, and troops in the tens of thousands fighting over a small stretch of land. The mato grosso campaign took place in the Brazilian province of the same name and consisted of only 2 to 4 thousand troops on each side fighting over an area of land the size of nevada. The Brazilian forces sent there were to retake ground taken by the Paraguayans in the first months of the war. With this small group of men followed many of their families. The conditions for the soldiers were awful as mato grosso is largely made up of thick jungle and swampy terrain. When the Brazilians were reversed and sent routing into the hazardous terrain of the mato grosso their families in the camp followers would be almost wiped out due to disease and starvation. I also listening to this think of the primary sources of american civil war letters i was required to read for my history major and how men on both sides so toughened to the horrors of mid 19th warfare could have their morale broken by the news that their absence was causing their families immense financial difficulty as many households would send not only a son or a father but all of the male bread winners, many regiments would have men entirely from the same town or county and if that regiment was wiped out it would take that towns male population with it, leaving widows and orphans hundreds of miles away from shiloh or gettysberg or anywhere else, and damaging that towns future prospects. Its important to remember, and it becomes incredibly apparent when reading up on history that the homefront and the battlefront are not entirely disconnected things.

    • @menschman1464
      @menschman1464 6 років тому

      Sorry for the long post. Great video
      Greetings from new England

  • @beckettfordahl5450
    @beckettfordahl5450 6 років тому +4

    Wow, this is something I never heard about. Great video!

  • @thebestteammate6528
    @thebestteammate6528 Рік тому

    This needs to be more seen

  • @tiredman4540
    @tiredman4540 6 років тому +1

    A very moving story. It's amazing that one can be drawn into a magnificent subject like the Napoleonic wars by the colourful costumes and exciting battles, but then be most affected by the tales of our shared humanity.

  • @turaball7803
    @turaball7803 5 років тому

    Very moving, Brandon, thanks.

  • @Krakow725
    @Krakow725 6 років тому +1

    Excellent video sir!

  • @lucianoduarte891
    @lucianoduarte891 6 років тому +2

    Wow Brandon, this was poetic

  • @glennardosterling
    @glennardosterling 2 роки тому

    really loved the story...

  • @nancybenjamin9420
    @nancybenjamin9420 6 років тому +1

    Very moving story Brandon, thank you.

  • @gungasc
    @gungasc 5 років тому +1

    Keep it up dude! can't wait for more videos!

  • @hondasaurusrex6998
    @hondasaurusrex6998 5 років тому

    This is one of your best videos. Keep up the good work young Brandon!

  • @alexandrepereira3902
    @alexandrepereira3902 5 років тому +1

    Very good channel

  • @Rswipes83
    @Rswipes83 6 років тому +1

    I’ve became a patreon solely for your channel. I love it.

    • @Rswipes83
      @Rswipes83 6 років тому

      Ross fleming btw

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +3

      Well thank you so much for that! There will be a new Patron poll for you later on in the day (even if I am far behind schedule on making them!)

    • @Rswipes83
      @Rswipes83 6 років тому

      Brandon F. Are you based in the UK or the Colonies?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому

      I am living in the States, currently.

    • @Rswipes83
      @Rswipes83 6 років тому

      I’d love to visit the states. I think I’d need about a year or so to visit all the places on my bucket list. Germantown, Lexington and concord, bunker hill, Yorktown, Camden, brandy wine, Appomattox, Gettysburg, Shiloh, Antietam,Little Bighorn,kings mountain, waxhaws and so on and so on.

  • @andybrace9225
    @andybrace9225 3 роки тому +2

    There was a private soldier in the 1st of Foot (Royal Scots) whose wife had recently given birth and can't remember if she left him or died and he carried the child in his knapsack during one of Marlboroughs battles. There is a mannequin of him in Uniform of the Scottish soldier in Edinburgh Castle.

  • @invisibleman4827
    @invisibleman4827 6 років тому +1

    It demonstrates the real tragedy of war, which we've never bothered to think about in wars in earlier history.
    I remember recently hearing of an engine driver in Britain in the 1920s, who passed away after retiring at 65 in 1929. People were surprised since he seemed to have been in good health, but the thing was he'd lost his son in the First World War. No doubt that had taken a tremendous toll on the poor man.

  • @georgebenwell664
    @georgebenwell664 6 років тому +2

    Fellows like yourself make the internet worth all the nonsense it also brings to our lives.....thank you sir for your excellent content.

  • @stonemarten1400
    @stonemarten1400 6 років тому +13

    The retreat to Corunna in the Peninsular War was a horrendous ordeal for the exhausted soldiers of the British Army, but spare a thought for the camp followers left to die, shivering in the freezing rain on the side of a muddy track and abandoned to the lack of mercy of locals, bandits and the enemy.

    • @stonemarten1400
      @stonemarten1400 6 років тому +3

      Daniel, I suppose everybody suffers in War and sometimes, inevitably, non-combatants become victims. As for the Peninsular Campaign, after the Corunna set-back, the Duke of Wellington took command of the British Army and went on to kick the French out of Spain, so I guess it was the frog-eaters who turned-out on the wrong side!

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +6

      Just because it's war, and misery is to be expected, doesn't mean you can't take pity on those who experienced such hardship and struggles the likes of which most of us cannot even begin to truly comprehend.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +8

      Empathy is not about benefitting the dead, it's about living a virtuous life and promoting the good. But that's the philosophy major in me coming out. It benefits you, as an individual, as well as others through your actions as a good and empathetic person, to not be callous towards the suffering of others.

    • @glenbe4026
      @glenbe4026 5 років тому +1

      @@danielmorris6584 WTF does having "grit" have to do with coming out of a war alive or not? Plenty of soldiers with "grit" do not make it out alive in war. And having empathy does not exclude one from having "grit". They are NOT antonyms.

    • @glenbe4026
      @glenbe4026 5 років тому +2

      @@danielmorris6584 Ok then. You have just told me you think "grit" is going along with whatever the "team" wants. No wonder the US military has a war crime issue if you are the type of person they have serving in it. In fact, no wonder North American police murder so many people and get away with it going by that sort of mentality. Oh well, Be well.

  • @Theduckwebcomics
    @Theduckwebcomics 6 років тому +11

    Was rifleman Harris in the Sharpe series/books inspired by this fellow do you think? He was often the writer of the group...
    that's surprising graphic for a military account. In the autobiographies I've read there's very little violence, they mostly talk about all the training they do, barrack life, travel etc, with the occasional account if various instances.

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 6 років тому +5

      Drunkduck
      He's inspired by, but not actually him. They even have a little fun with it when Sharpe tells him to write a book and put lots of fighting in it, and when Dan Hagman asks Harris what his first name is.

    • @terrorfire8505
      @terrorfire8505 4 роки тому

      That's what I thought

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms 2 роки тому

      Definitely inspired by. It's been a long time since I saw the series, but I seem to remember his personality being quite similar to what I imagine the rifleman in this book to have been like

  • @FlameDarkfire
    @FlameDarkfire 2 роки тому +1

    I'm reminded of the scenes in We Were Soldiers where the Colonel's wife took it upon herself to deliver death notifications, one, because she knew the layout of the base better than the mailman, two, she was a figurehead in the sisterhood of the wives and families of the soldiers, and three, because that's an emotional toll upon a simple civil worker that she couldn't bear to watch. I think it also softened the blow to see a familiar face delivering the terrible news.

  • @brianwyters2150
    @brianwyters2150 6 років тому +1

    That ending was deep. When the warning said that the video was emotional, I didn't believe till now.

  • @kirotheavenger60
    @kirotheavenger60 6 років тому +3

    One thing that I always think of in these wars, is the thousands of families which must always be left waiting at home for the return of their husband and father, forever.
    Not just in war, but sailors, or even merchants and travellers.

  • @jeremylpcollier
    @jeremylpcollier 6 років тому +23

    What’s the painting in the thumbnail? That’s beautiful!😍😍😍

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +16

      I'm not sure I'm afraid, it's just a one I found online which seemed very appropriate for the topic. Though, don't fall too much in love with it- it's actually terribly inaccurate, with those boots and trousers!

    • @H.J.Fleischmann
      @H.J.Fleischmann 6 років тому +4

      It is a painting by Clarence F. Underwood. I am unsure if it has a specific name.

    • @fredricknoe3114
      @fredricknoe3114 6 років тому +2

      Brandon F. You just roasted a Dinosaur

    • @The_13th_Hussar
      @The_13th_Hussar 3 роки тому

      "The Dead Soldier" by Joseph Wright of Derby, 1790

  • @presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889
    @presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889 6 років тому

    It is a very hard process for a wife of a dead soldier to bare. In this video, I understanded more about the families of the soldiers, not just the battle and the soldiers itself. This is probably your best video. I should buy Riflemen Harris right now and read it.

  • @HunterCihal
    @HunterCihal 6 років тому +3

    I'm 100% checking out that book

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому

      You won't be disappointed with it- it's difficult to put it down!

  • @WolfRichter337
    @WolfRichter337 6 років тому +3

    Could you make a Video about how the reputation of the prussian discipline got so good?

  • @beanrat8631
    @beanrat8631 6 років тому

    Thank you for this video, my good sir. I learned a lot from almost all of your videos ;)

  • @Sheerwater909
    @Sheerwater909 6 років тому +4

    I would commend to you 'Lady De Lancey at Waterloo. A Story of Duty and Devotion' (David Miller, Spellmount Ltd, Staplehurst, 2000). Magdalene De Lancey cared for her husband Col. Sir William De Lancey, a confidant of Wellington, after he was hit by a spent cannon ball. It is a fascinating read sir.

    • @Sheerwater909
      @Sheerwater909 6 років тому

      I should have mentioned, he was the son of a wealthy New York family.

    • @rin_etoware_2989
      @rin_etoware_2989 6 років тому

      That's the guy who lost his leg in the movie, right?

  • @WiseSnake
    @WiseSnake 6 років тому +2

    That was rough.

  • @fbiagent3902
    @fbiagent3902 6 років тому +7

    Can you do a Barry Lyndon?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +7

      I haven't actually seen it yet! I really need to- and when I finally do, you can expect a video or two about it I'm sure!

    • @Reprodestruxion
      @Reprodestruxion 6 років тому +2

      Brandon F. Esp Prussian military and the gay English officers

    • @fbiagent3902
      @fbiagent3902 6 років тому +1

      ... Ok, I think that's their tradition when Lyndon saved that officer. (Don't spoil it as well)

  • @michaelwhite8031
    @michaelwhite8031 5 років тому +1

    I have officers in my family on both the English and French sides. It sounds strange but my mother who was Irish had many ancestors who left Ireland to seek their fortunes in the army. Brigadier Thomas Francis Meager is also a distant ancestor.

  • @wesleycantrell332
    @wesleycantrell332 5 років тому +1

    So, when can we get a more in depth look at how camp followers lived as they were following the Army

  • @terribethreed8464
    @terribethreed8464 4 роки тому

    I enjoy history from all centuries.
    I also enjoy historical documentaries, that enactors participate in for at least a year, portraying & living the lives, work habits & eating habits of those of a certain century.
    How can you appreciate what our forefathers had to endure if we don't participate in the same ways they did?
    I love seeing reenactments on a weekend or a week (but even then it's only a brief glimpse & inconvenience to our modern-day lives) into the real lives of our ancestors.

  • @philippbretz5307
    @philippbretz5307 6 років тому +1

    Intense 👍

  • @wesleycantrell332
    @wesleycantrell332 6 років тому +1

    Wow. I have read the civilian accounts during Gettysburg but they don't even come close to how this video made me feel.

  • @charsfm5203
    @charsfm5203 6 років тому +1

    underrated video

  • @SirCorbyOES
    @SirCorbyOES 3 роки тому

    Brandon look at the opening scene of the John Ford Cavalry picture Rio Grande

  • @ottoman_reenactor_ct
    @ottoman_reenactor_ct 6 років тому +1

    A sad episode :/

  • @empereur_du_congoeddy-malo2286
    @empereur_du_congoeddy-malo2286 4 роки тому +1

    What is the music at the end ?

    • @SvensHistoryLab
      @SvensHistoryLab 4 роки тому +2

      Empereur_ du_Congo Eddy-Malou my Bonnie light horse man

  • @zacharygregory1580
    @zacharygregory1580 2 роки тому

    Idk a lot about this time period but in the US Civil War most people found out about deaths months after an engagement, sometimes even finding out about it in the newspaper.

  • @Tea_and_Cake
    @Tea_and_Cake 6 років тому +1

    try the song, the bonny light horseman

  • @henriquemoraisjones708
    @henriquemoraisjones708 6 років тому +2

    I found it interesting that the soldier proposed to marry the woman,I guess it makes sense for the time period.

  • @anulfadventures
    @anulfadventures 5 років тому

    In 1777 when British Major-General John Burgoyne surrendered at Saratoga on Oct 17th, I understand he left all his camp followers as well as his soldiers as American prisoners while he returned home. What happened to the women and children of POWs and how did they fare with winter coming on?

  • @bogtrotter17
    @bogtrotter17 3 роки тому

    Does anyone know the name of the song at the end?

    • @bogtrotter17
      @bogtrotter17 3 роки тому

      Never mind found it lol. I was feeling teary after viewing the post and forgot to check the post itself

  • @zyrelcoronado9825
    @zyrelcoronado9825 6 років тому +1

    😭😭😭

  • @dailypunch6249
    @dailypunch6249 6 років тому

    Why did that one person dislike this? This is sad but true but that one person doesn't understand what he is saying.

  • @kurtwk
    @kurtwk 3 роки тому +1

    I actually, QUITE OFTEN think of conflicts of the past from the perspective of the civilian population caught in the middle. In some ways it’s a little more interesting and a bit more frightening to put yourself in their shoes….no matter the century.

  • @davidbriggs264
    @davidbriggs264 6 років тому +3

    I am reminded of an civilian woman who lived with the Army on the Western Frontier in the late 1800's, and who married four or five times, with each of the earlier marriages ending in the death of her husband. It was only after she died that they discovered that she was actually a male. The fact that she was actually male was unusual, but the fact that she married several soldiers in turn happened to both the American Army on the Western Frontier as well as to the British Army in India.

  • @GreytOutdoorsMedic
    @GreytOutdoorsMedic 3 роки тому

    What typically would have happened to the families of those whose husbands were killed on campaign?

    • @thehappy_spearman1389
      @thehappy_spearman1389 2 роки тому

      If they were well liked the unit would often keep them around to keep their useful services and pool a few pennies of their pay to support them, many of the women would've found another partner in the unit or when the campaign came to an end they went home if they were lucky.
      Many unfortunately were also taken advantage of my the more predatory minded men and other camp followers and essentially became indebted slaves.

  • @longbowscaneasilypenetrate6812
    @longbowscaneasilypenetrate6812 6 років тому +4

    you should do more videos in uniform that was cool

  • @ryzard1830
    @ryzard1830 6 років тому +2

    *I CRI EVRYTIM ;'( *

  • @davidlowe1256
    @davidlowe1256 6 років тому +1

    Might’ve been better to post this on the 11th of November.

  • @SantidLira
    @SantidLira 5 років тому

    G-d damnit!
    Now I'm crying 😭
    Why am I crying?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  5 років тому +3

      I nearly did too, in fairness.

  • @trandung4610
    @trandung4610 6 років тому +1

    Do you play aoe 3

  • @jhonsmithers4853
    @jhonsmithers4853 6 років тому

    My computer booted at 13:30 after perfect running.

  • @skeletons7280
    @skeletons7280 6 років тому

    Play *The Northern Frontier* or *Battlefeild 1*

    • @thatsnodildo1974
      @thatsnodildo1974 6 років тому +2

      CrazyLazyRabbit Verdun is a better ww1 experience

  • @audaxhistoricus7467
    @audaxhistoricus7467 4 роки тому +1

    Find yourself a girl Brandon that you can give her a tragedy named after her.

  • @roninref5152
    @roninref5152 6 років тому +1

    Women are the primary victims of war :'(

    • @thehappy_spearman1389
      @thehappy_spearman1389 2 роки тому

      Erm... pretty sure the guys getting shot at and chopped apart in muddy, wet fields were the primary victims.
      Womenfolk and civilians are just the unfortunate collateral damage.

  • @MrMonkeyhanger
    @MrMonkeyhanger 4 роки тому

    Was gonna make some Sharpe based joke about the literacy of Rifleman Harris... Feeling a bit too sad for that kind of thing now though

  • @hishammahmud1184
    @hishammahmud1184 6 років тому +3

    Im early

  • @craighagenbruch3800
    @craighagenbruch3800 6 років тому

    Mmm i find it hard to believe that she and this other fellow actually got together sounds like bs to me. After all her husband died in battle......