What do you guys think of the improvements and the M47? Also, I do believe these two missions and the M47 will eventually be taken out later. So do enjoy these missions while you can!
Absolutely gruesome! Especially when you keep in mind that such a scenario could had been possible (there was an intermediate time when west Germany already got more potent Patton, Pershing tanks and east Germany didn't get their T-54s yet IIRC).
West germany got the M47 at the same time East germany got their T-54s (1956) but they still used the T-34-85 so such a scenario is still possible. I hope that in the future we may see a more serious mission with the T-54 against the M48 patton III, would be an interesting matchup. They could even give the T-54s vertical stabilizers, would be the only one of its kind in the game.
I think the developer's need to leave this mission in game - its a great "teachable moment" - illustrating the changes in tank eras and how far things have come. Not too long ago I was able to use the game's firing range to explain different types of sighting systems.
I barely scrapped a win in this mission. The M-47 has a turret front with 200mm armor which is double what the Panther had. The only viable option for the T-34/85 is to aim for the hull and score side shots. A lot of GHPC missions have you going hey, diddle, diddle and right up the middle. Which will lead to you getting massacred under almost virtually all circumstances. Pushing the flanks probably would have spared you some pain. Dropping smoke on the M047s could have also allowed you to get closer where your guns have some chance. Like me you ended up in a lot of head on fights and that just isn't going to work with this match-up.
I wonder how hard would be to mate 85mm BK-2M or BK-7 HEAT rounds to 85mm case from S-53 gun? I know Yugos were manufacturing such frankenshells, to make ammo for their ex-German guns.
West Germans should definitely get the M48A2GA2s as a T-55 equivalent, considering West Germany obtained a buttload of them. They only retired them from service in the 90s, and even Taiwan is using them till now.
Man, I hate-love the M47. The turret is so werid and ugly but kinda dig it
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Interesting that they modeled the Bow Gunners MG, then didnt add the Bow Gunner and then did not add the Munitions storage the Bundeswehr put there in place of the Bow Gunner.
The M47 is unfinished, and it isn't even driveable in-game yet. Seems the devs wanted it out for the April Fools event. The T34-85 has actually been in the game since 2021, it's more finished. They'll likely get around to finishing the former if they decide to integrate the two vehicles as a serious part of normal gameplay.
@@Pershingtank If it does, it'll likely be after the devs have released at least one of the Leopard variants, and I imagine the M47's main use in-game will be as reserve tanks when you're suffering heavy losses in Campaign mode. I don't expect more than one or two Instant Action missions for them, but you never know. With their limited resources, I don't expect them to be currently prioritizing the M47 over other tanks or features.
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish Yeah that's about how I expected it. Heh....the tank games I'm actually decent at (and certainly have more fun with) tend not to be the ones that have the tanks I like (GHPC does have some of them though!)
nice work :) also the T-34 is not new it has been in the game know for quite some time originally being added back in April of 2021 along with it's mission that being a horde of them vs one Abrams also if you played as pact in the original mission for the T-34 the soviet anthem could plays in the background
Yeah I tried this mission and got wiped lol. The AI wasted like 3 of the reserve platoons while I was controlling mine. And there was an M47 that flanked and killed like 5 of us.
The developer's have sied they will not do ww2 stuff I personally agree as ww2 would not come close to amount of variety already present in-game from the T-64A's split image rangefinder to the abrams fully digital fire control system instead every tank would play like the T-55 in the fact that you would have to do everything manually Also ww2 has been done to death and right know there are no tank games covering cold war equipment There's war thunder but that is more or less counter-strike but with tanks when it comes to high tier gameplay
@@robingrewal8103 Yeah i agreed with you in that point, ww2 is kinda overdone but its still my favourite genre of tank games exactly because of the "raw" feel to the tanks. Also, im not saying the game being cold war focused is bad, i love the game as it is and as it will be in the future, i just wanted to expand, i still want the cold war, i just want the ww2 era too :D and even modern era like steels beasts if it was possible, im not saying to drop the cold war but eventually it will be finished sometime, would be cool to get british and desert operations but eventually the content will end, a ww2 expancion for example would be pretty nice to have. Like you said, ww2 is overdone but still, at this time there are not a lot of good ww2 tank simulations, war thunder is game i loved but stoped playing because its very "arcady" like cs as you said and the grind is just.... f that game tbh ahahhaha, word of tanks is arcade and the grind is even worse, i dont have time for those grind games anymore, steel fury is amazing but is old, il2 sturmovik is not that deep in tanks and others are just not focused on tanks. So i agree with you, cold war is great, the game idea is great but i would love in the future to have a ghpc expansion with ww2 or maybe just a new came when this game is finished focused in ww2
@@PhanPhantasy I watched your videos of Tank Squad Phan and i like the game but its still a bit "rough" and its too "arcady" when you compare it to ghpc, steel fury os the only true ww2 tank simulation experience, il2 sturmovik is cool but is not that deep into tanks, and games like steel beasts are too much for a more casual player like me so ghpc is the sweat spot, so i would love to have a modern steel fury
My brother was a tank driver. He said the average life expectancy of a tank crew once in contact with an equal force was around 3.5 seconds. I thought that was a bit extreme but since playing this game I reckon he was right.
T 34 are good tanks but their era has passed. Even from the 1950s to the early 1960s, there is no longer efficient armor against ammunition of the time. The Americans have to launch the M60 as quickly as possible.
I struggled a lot on this mission as well, took me several tries. The T34-85 just isn't competitive with the M47 and really struggles to pen its front glacis and turret. The PT-76 actually does a bit better against the M47, particularly with HEAT rounds, but you'll likely loose both vehicles on first contact every time. You have to rely on strategy to win the day. Use the shit outta of your call-ins, blanket known positions with artillery and use the smokes to obscure obvious sight lines. Then, while the rest of the platoons shred themselves in a head-on attack, flank north and strike from the east, or even from behind the enemies' front. Hit their sides or rears. Use hull-down positions as much as you can. Don't try to take the objective until you know you've taken out most of the defending tanks surrounding it, then bomb the hell out of that town with arty before sweeping in and mopping up survivors at close range. This mission really teaches you how important tactics are when unevenly matched in this game. Part two is considerably easier in comparison, with access to more competent tanks to fight the M47's with.
It bothers me that GHPC does not come with east and west german units by default. First US and east german, now even soviet but nothing from west germany. For a game setting in the "what if cold war gone hot", and even the inner german border as a hotspot, it is a bit disappointing
As stated, West Germany is on its way. There's simply a lot of development and work that goes into producing the vehicles, and the dev team is incredibly small. There are a lot of systems they're continuing to work on, as well as optimization and bug fixing to do which are the priorities right now.
Angeling your armor like you do in war thunder or world of tanks is not rally a useful tactic in ghpc and in most cases make you more vulnerable And in the case of the new April fools mission will not help at all
why are u sending t34 platoons one by one? why dont u just send everyting all at once so atleast that many rounds enemy tank is bound to get instruments damaged, or do a blitzkrieg, is that not possible or what?
@@mysticalpotato86 Read an article about the battle of Kursk. One of the battles included 100 german tanks getting ready to attack, and 400 T-34s trying to pre-emptively strike at them. The result? 300 T-34s wrecked, about 20 german tanks damaged or destroyed. The russians ran. So yeah, if we take the quality of equipment and technological advancement into consideration, post war tanks would butcher all 50 of those, while their numbers wouldnt need to exceed 5. The only quality of a T-34 was its numbers. It may have been "the shit" at the time of Operation Barbarossa, but germany quickly recovered and improved their armored force. It doesnt matter who won the war, when you produce about 44 thousand of them during WW2, and end up with only 4 thousand at its end, does it?
What do you guys think of the improvements and the M47?
Also, I do believe these two missions and the M47 will eventually be taken out later. So do enjoy these missions while you can!
T34 against cold-war era? When the battle rating system screws you again....
5.7 vs 10.3
@@ГеоргийМурзич m47 patton is 7.3
a slight uptier
Average Wargame Red Dragon user tactic
@@fidelismiles7439 East german T-34-85 rushes are a tradition in the wargame series lol
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Ive seen the same thing too in the T-54A mission
They're not kidding about PTSD
ghosts of T-34’s
Absolutely gruesome! Especially when you keep in mind that such a scenario could had been possible (there was an intermediate time when west Germany already got more potent Patton, Pershing tanks and east Germany didn't get their T-54s yet IIRC).
East Germany still used T-34-85 in their reserve tank units even after they got better tanks iirc
West germany got the M47 at the same time East germany got their T-54s (1956) but they still used the T-34-85 so such a scenario is still possible. I hope that in the future we may see a more serious mission with the T-54 against the M48 patton III, would be an interesting matchup. They could even give the T-54s vertical stabilizers, would be the only one of its kind in the game.
@@Oppen1945 No
I think the developer's need to leave this mission in game - its a great "teachable moment" - illustrating the changes in tank eras and how far things have come. Not too long ago I was able to use the game's firing range to explain different types of sighting systems.
They were still held in reserve for a long time too. Last update to them was in 69
I wish..
I barely scrapped a win in this mission. The M-47 has a turret front with 200mm armor which is double what the Panther had. The only viable option for the T-34/85 is to aim for the hull and score side shots. A lot of GHPC missions have you going hey, diddle, diddle and right up the middle. Which will lead to you getting massacred under almost virtually all circumstances. Pushing the flanks probably would have spared you some pain. Dropping smoke on the M047s could have also allowed you to get closer where your guns have some chance.
Like me you ended up in a lot of head on fights and that just isn't going to work with this match-up.
the APHE of the T34 should be able to penetrate the M47 hull
Hard mission but I found that the T-34s are also equipped with APCR rounds which do a better job of penning M47 from the front
I wonder how hard would be to mate 85mm BK-2M or BK-7 HEAT rounds to 85mm case from S-53 gun? I know Yugos were manufacturing such frankenshells, to make ammo for their ex-German guns.
West Germans should definitely get the M48A2GA2s as a T-55 equivalent, considering West Germany obtained a buttload of them. They only retired them from service in the 90s, and even Taiwan is using them till now.
I love west german tank designations, the m48a2ga2g2a2g and the leopard a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1 are my favourite
GHPC gets better and better with each update. Now I want to try someday the M47 also
Man, I hate-love the M47. The turret is so werid and ugly but kinda dig it
Interesting that they modeled the Bow Gunners MG, then didnt add the Bow Gunner and then did not add the Munitions storage the Bundeswehr put there in place of the Bow Gunner.
There's also no rangefinder module to disable.
The M47 is unfinished, and it isn't even driveable in-game yet. Seems the devs wanted it out for the April Fools event. The T34-85 has actually been in the game since 2021, it's more finished. They'll likely get around to finishing the former if they decide to integrate the two vehicles as a serious part of normal gameplay.
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish Hopefully that'll happen at some point, love the M47.
@@Pershingtank If it does, it'll likely be after the devs have released at least one of the Leopard variants, and I imagine the M47's main use in-game will be as reserve tanks when you're suffering heavy losses in Campaign mode. I don't expect more than one or two Instant Action missions for them, but you never know. With their limited resources, I don't expect them to be currently prioritizing the M47 over other tanks or features.
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish Yeah that's about how I expected it. Heh....the tank games I'm actually decent at (and certainly have more fun with) tend not to be the ones that have the tanks I like (GHPC does have some of them though!)
nice work :)
also the T-34 is not new it has been in the game know for quite some time originally being added back in April of 2021 along with it's mission that being a horde of them vs one Abrams
also if you played as pact in the original mission for the T-34 the soviet anthem could plays in the background
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Yeah I tried this mission and got wiped lol. The AI wasted like 3 of the reserve platoons while I was controlling mine. And there was an M47 that flanked and killed like 5 of us.
I had the same experience playing through this mission. A relatively low-tech slug fest. Fun, but messy.
The t-34s were retired from reserve in 1988, so they could be used.
T-44 and T-44-100 is needed
devs must add coop in this game
That is the plan in the future, there's a long way to go before that happens though. A lot of other things they want to work on first.
Commenting to get more of these videos in my recommendations
only 1939 tanks would be a good april fool type event
Isnt there also a new t 54?
Part two will come out.
do you even do any range finding before your shots oO?
I would love this game to have WW2 in the future, this looks awesome, steel fury with ww2 and cold era tanks, that would be fantastic
The developer's have sied they will not do ww2 stuff
I personally agree as ww2 would not come close to amount of variety already present in-game from the T-64A's split image rangefinder to the abrams fully digital fire control system instead every tank would play like the T-55 in the fact that you would have to do everything manually
Also ww2 has been done to death and right know there are no tank games covering cold war equipment
There's war thunder but that is more or less counter-strike but with tanks when it comes to high tier gameplay
Check out Tank Squad. I have covered 2 videos of it on my channel and it's still in early development.
@@robingrewal8103 Yeah i agreed with you in that point, ww2 is kinda overdone but its still my favourite genre of tank games exactly because of the "raw" feel to the tanks. Also, im not saying the game being cold war focused is bad, i love the game as it is and as it will be in the future, i just wanted to expand, i still want the cold war, i just want the ww2 era too :D and even modern era like steels beasts if it was possible, im not saying to drop the cold war but eventually it will be finished sometime, would be cool to get british and desert operations but eventually the content will end, a ww2 expancion for example would be pretty nice to have. Like you said, ww2 is overdone but still, at this time there are not a lot of good ww2 tank simulations, war thunder is game i loved but stoped playing because its very "arcady" like cs as you said and the grind is just.... f that game tbh ahahhaha, word of tanks is arcade and the grind is even worse, i dont have time for those grind games anymore, steel fury is amazing but is old, il2 sturmovik is not that deep in tanks and others are just not focused on tanks.
So i agree with you, cold war is great, the game idea is great but i would love in the future to have a ghpc expansion with ww2 or maybe just a new came when this game is finished focused in ww2
@@PhanPhantasy I watched your videos of Tank Squad Phan and i like the game but its still a bit "rough" and its too "arcady" when you compare it to ghpc, steel fury os the only true ww2 tank simulation experience, il2 sturmovik is cool but is not that deep into tanks, and games like steel beasts are too much for a more casual player like me so ghpc is the sweat spot, so i would love to have a modern steel fury
My brother was a tank driver. He said the average life expectancy of a tank crew once in contact with an equal force was around 3.5 seconds. I thought that was a bit extreme but since playing this game I reckon he was right.
T 34 are good tanks but their era has passed. Even from the 1950s to the early 1960s, there is no longer efficient armor against ammunition of the time. The Americans have to launch the M60 as quickly as possible.
War Thunder players trying to get God Mode be like
Why are these missions no longer in the game? :(
Cant complete this mission at all
The friendly ai keeps using APHE and nonpens the M47 continuously
I struggled a lot on this mission as well, took me several tries. The T34-85 just isn't competitive with the M47 and really struggles to pen its front glacis and turret. The PT-76 actually does a bit better against the M47, particularly with HEAT rounds, but you'll likely loose both vehicles on first contact every time. You have to rely on strategy to win the day. Use the shit outta of your call-ins, blanket known positions with artillery and use the smokes to obscure obvious sight lines. Then, while the rest of the platoons shred themselves in a head-on attack, flank north and strike from the east, or even from behind the enemies' front. Hit their sides or rears. Use hull-down positions as much as you can. Don't try to take the objective until you know you've taken out most of the defending tanks surrounding it, then bomb the hell out of that town with arty before sweeping in and mopping up survivors at close range.
This mission really teaches you how important tactics are when unevenly matched in this game. Part two is considerably easier in comparison, with access to more competent tanks to fight the M47's with.
Bro got uptiered
It bothers me that GHPC does not come with east and west german units by default. First US and east german, now even soviet but nothing from west germany. For a game setting in the "what if cold war gone hot", and even the inner german border as a hotspot, it is a bit disappointing
No need to be disappointed. West Germany is coming next. It's on their roadmap and I've seen them working on the Leopard 1/2.
As stated, West Germany is on its way. There's simply a lot of development and work that goes into producing the vehicles, and the dev team is incredibly small. There are a lot of systems they're continuing to work on, as well as optimization and bug fixing to do which are the priorities right now.
Couldn’t be bothered to do the slightest amount of research could you
You should angle your armor the t34s armor was most effective when angled
Angeling your armor like you do in war thunder or world of tanks is not rally a useful tactic in ghpc and in most cases make you more vulnerable
And in the case of the new April fools mission will not help at all
It is not gonna save you from 90mm HVAP.
“Guys how do I angle a shell that can pen 3 times the armor I have”
why are u sending t34 platoons one by one? why dont u just send everyting all at once so atleast that many rounds enemy tank is bound to get instruments damaged, or do a blitzkrieg, is that not possible or what?
As much as I like to send them all at once, I cannot command and control. They go on their own, hence why I can only control a platoon at a time.
@@PhanPhantasy ah i see 👍🏻
I think we need Pz V and VI and definetily GHPC WW2 addon
I wish it was still in ghpc:/
I hope we get west German vehicles
They're being worked on
@@guywhodoesstuff3314 i would love to get an mbt 70 or a ru-251, a leopard 1, and a marder and/or a begleitpanzer 57
@@M60A3 MBT 70, RU-251 and Begleit will not be in the game as they never entered production or service. Marder and Leopard 1 and 2 will be in the game
so youre just gonna put T-34 in the title even though there's no T-34 gameplay in the video whatsoever? clickbaiting in the big 24 is WILD
Buddy, you must be trolling right? I'm playing as a T-34 tank in the video. 🙄
Maybe you should watch the entire video before you think it's bait? The PT76s were recon and the T-34s are the main force that I was playing as.
Wtf I thought War Thunder got an update
No
A 1942 Tiger vs T-34 was extremely unfair... now imagine those russian pieces of junk against post war tanks...
but against 50?
@@mysticalpotato86 Read an article about the battle of Kursk. One of the battles included 100 german tanks getting ready to attack, and 400 T-34s trying to pre-emptively strike at them. The result? 300 T-34s wrecked, about 20 german tanks damaged or destroyed. The russians ran. So yeah, if we take the quality of equipment and technological advancement into consideration, post war tanks would butcher all 50 of those, while their numbers wouldnt need to exceed 5.
The only quality of a T-34 was its numbers. It may have been "the shit" at the time of Operation Barbarossa, but germany quickly recovered and improved their armored force.
It doesnt matter who won the war, when you produce about 44 thousand of them during WW2, and end up with only 4 thousand at its end, does it?
@@LiezAllLiez the german tiger tank achieved nothing except become the poster child of various pc games to be honest :D
bro have zero skill
I'm sorry, is this a joke? Try using a WW2 era tank vs early cold war tank.