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Prove me wrong; It’s hypocritical to say you love and support the Constitution, if you also voted for Trump. He says he will get rid of Birthright Citizenship, even though it’s part of the 14th Amendment He literally said he would terminate parts of the Constitution on social media after he lost the last election and started his 4 year temper tantrum about it. He also said he would give police federal immunity during this current campaign, after the police shooting of Sonya Massey
The investigation done by cops has to be the stupidest investigation that I’ve ever seen. Most of these people are too damn incompetent to hold a job at Subway let alone via police officer. He wasn’t on the property. He told you he wasn’t on the property. He’s been on the sidewalk and you’re still trying to push the I need your ID like it’s fucking crack. I mean there are addicted to ID. Can’t let it go like a bunch of things need that fixed. They need their ID. He committed no crime. He’s on a public sidewalk recording in front of anybody to establishment. He can do that. Just tell them not to go on the other person‘s property and call it a day and beat feet
Right now filming like this is protected by the first amendment. If people keep doing this it won't be. They were there to film the police trespassing homeless people from the sidewalk? What does that have to do with the customers who don't want to be filmed while trying to eat? The cops are of course are in the wrong here. I'm just saying them filming customers eat is hurting their cause.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 No, filming isnt hurting anyones cause. Simply because its a first amendment protected activity. You cannot make RIGHTS into CRIMES. Get a backbone.
Testify! I saw that too, lifting up the lip of the bag to look inside. Makes a person want to walk around with a backpack jammed full of adult toys in case the cops want to search you.
This officer is so confused. ‘You have the right to be on a public sidewalk, but they’re a private business and so they can have you trespassed.’ Please, no life and death decisions for this guy.
And the auditor handed over his ID because...? It bothers me to no end when auditors hand over their ID when they clearly don't have to. Educate those cops!
@@brianbagnall3029 I cant agree more. He should have handed his ID under threat of arrest. He handed it when the male officer asked it. Now the officer will assert Mr Levingston handed it consensually.
A property owner called trespass, someone that has not set foot on the property in order for police to obtain their ID. This is a fourth amendment violation.
@@JamesKennedy-t9h Cops do and say that shit all the time! It's actually quite embarrassing and infuriating. They say all manner of stupid, impertinent, two-faced things when in private with complainants.
Absolutely right. Cops should realize every citizen including themselves are entitled and beholden to the First Amendment. We are all "First Amendment guys" and need to exercise our rights so that uninformed tyrants stop infringing on them.
The officer solicited a trespass because he just wants the arrest. He wanted it so bad that he even was ready to fight with his sergeant. Great job dumb asses.
This is the problem with poor policing. Officers make assumptions based on a on-sided call placed to dispatch and make little effort to investigate. They have established routines, like demanding ID, that they fall back on instead of learning the laws, evaluating the actions of everyone involved, and determining if there was a crime and, if so, what that crime was. They just want to issue a citation and be on their way. That isn't community policing.
11:45 "because he's not on my property, we can't trespass him, right?" Crazy how even the bar manager knows the law but these "peace" officers had to contact their boss. How sad, embarrassing and crazy is that?!
Exactly! The property owner could guess at that portion of the law, but the cops couldn't even investigate if he entered and remained after being told to leave or trespassed in any capacity before demanding an ID. So goddamn amazing.
@DeezNuggz I think you are correct! It could be said that the trend shows LEO'S are more inclined push issues they know are unlawful, showing that quotas are used to catch more fish in the net. Some may avoid prosecution, many won't.
No education required to follow orders. No requirement to understand law when you're able to act with impunity iether. 😂 I don't live in America yet I have more knowledge of rights than any of these cops! That's hilarious.
Trespassed from a property he wasn't on, illegally ID' and 1st Amendment violated all because the cops got a call. Abolish qualified immunity and get rid of these jokers. "He's just one of those 1st Amendment guys." Tells me all I need to know. Love how the guy catches the cops for soliciting a trespass before even finding out if he had even been on the property. Golden.
I don't think the cops were right, however, you can be trespassed from a private business for no reason at all other than they don't want you there. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as "soliciting a trespass". A LEO asking them the question is not illegal, immoral or anything else. Some places just give authority to the local agency to trespass at will and they don't even need to ask anyone.
@echo6echo419 you're incorrect. You cannot be trespassed from a property you are not on. They don't need a reason but you have to be asked and refuse to leave in order to then be legally trespassed. In many States there are indeed laws against police soliciting a trespass, maybe not in your's.
@@HighlanderThisIlldefend You're confusing "trespass order" and "criminal trespass". I can say I don't want you on my property and you either have to leave and stay off or just stay off. That's a "trespass order". If you refuse to leave or come back on the property, that's criminal trespass and you can be arrested. Both are commonly called "trespassIng". It's a bit of a misnomer, but I'm am correct that you can't "solicit a trespass" as everyone says. Please show me the statute or finding if you think there is such a thing as I can't find it.
Yes, that's what they are taught in the police academy. The same things were taught to the Nazi Stormtroopers and the Stasi after them. We must see your ID/ your papers!
One might think that a single officer could have taken care of this call for service in 30 seconds by informing the manager of constitutional rights and Wishing the auditor a nice day.
@Ndgar Seems it might be past time to educate ALL 911 dispatchers nationwide on simple procedures and we can avoid these types of situations as the knowledge goes back to their individual distriicts.
The Jolly Pumpkin Yelp website is being hammered with negative comments. And the jerks sitting at the table who didn't want to be videoed have now been viewed by almost a million people.
@@calamagrostis88yelp closed the comments for the JP too. Got a warning saying their site has been hit with lots of traffic so they closed comment section and they are doing an investigation to make sure it's actual consumer related or a recent event. Lol.
@@chronographerit is absolutely imperative that we know whether or not he actually entered the property. This is CRITICAL. Otherwise, any business can trespass any random person walking by, which would mean anyone can be IDd by the cops for no reason at all. This is an obvious problem that would arise from being able to do what the cops are trying to do in this video. The only reason I should have to provide police with my ID is if I’m suspected of committing a crime, or I’m involved in supporting an investigation as a witness. A business simply pointing to someone who HAS NOT entered the property at any point isn’t sufficient for determining reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place.
I like how this auditor heard about cops doing something wrong and showed up to help stop them. A lot of auditors act cocky and borderline provocative with cops, this guy was a smooth operator. Great job!
I liked most of it but didn't like him handing over his ID. You can deny that without being confrontational. Trespassing warnings do not require you to hand over ID. If asked for ID if I was in same situation would respond I will not provide ID without a threat of arrest I need you to violate my 4th amendment right to provide you with my ID(yes I've done this several times and it's about 45/45/10 either they threaten arrest and I provide the ID or they back off or they arrest me I'm ok with any of these outcomes because 2/3's of the time I get paid). By him volunteering to hand it over without that threat of arrest his 4th amendment right wasn't violated.
The Cop keeps repeating “They don’t want you on their property” even after he’s told them he has been only on the Public Sidewalk. And that it’s a “First Amendment Right”.
I feel like this could have been fixed at the 911 operator level. "Ma'am, do you own the sidewalk? Ok, well that is public property. Call us back if he comes into your store."
How is a public sidewalk, a private business patio?! Shame on the city also the officer's who are actually being intrusive abusing the public on taxpayer's property! Sue the business and the town ! People are sued for 1st ammendment right's, this was much more egregious !
@@timr86868 Freedom of speech never meant freedom from consequences, or that everyone needs to be tolerant of what was said. This country's citizens used to understand what debating was, but this social media era's failed attempts at mediation and manipulation have seen that understanding thoroughly destroyed.
@@timr86868he never caused a scene. He stood quietly and simply put up a camera. Now those same ppl calling someone fat have a titty attack for being on camera meanwhile they are sitting in plain view of thousands of cameras.
the cops are the "good guys(hired help)" for the business owners. Regular non patrons I guess are just subjects to the city (slaves). Easy to see with VIDEO PROOF.
It's probably supported by local ordinances and department policies. I work for a public library and the local deputies trespassed a dude from our system for a year (our own standard is a week for the first offense) for sleeping on the sidewalk in front of one of our branches. Despite the fact that we requested he NOT be trespassed, they insisted and the SO asserted the trespass was within the deputy's discretionary purview. The department then leaned on the library's leadership and local commissioners to force us to change our policies for people sleeping in or near our facilities.
LOL, oath? Does anybody still believe that? Oaths are for honorable men. I seriously doubt there's any of them left, but if there are, they're certainly are not the cops.
@@krane15 AMEN ! I took the oath as an 18 year old when i joined the navy, it was a deeply profound moment for me , i had never took an oath before and these 40+ years later i;m still a man of my word.
Indeed. For example, if he wants to go to a public park and film little girls and boys playing, IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, and if a concerned parent wants to do something about it, then they are TYRANTS. If the cops would simply perform their jobs in accordance with the oaths they took, they should be telling any concerned parent to mind their own business and permit the stranger to film their children, because any time you are in public, you have zero expectation to not feel uncomfortable due to the actions of a strange man filming your children. It's WHAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED.
I am impressed. Often these 'repackaged audits' are just... an excuse to shuffle other folks' work, but you have added incredibly lucid and pertinent analysis of what's going on. Great job!
Whats sad is it's than most Americans, look the jolly pumbkin didn't know that you shouldn't call the cops on people not breaking the law. They were hoping the cops would come to beat and kidnap him
This happened in another area. The guy was on the sidewalk with sign I think (something Christianly written on the sign I believe). He wasn’t harassing anyone or asking for anything (money, etc.). The business called the police. They argued with the guy and I believe arrested him (later released). He technically never was on the business “property” and wasn’t doing anything unlawful. He knew his rights. The cops didn’t. I might have some details wrong. But overall the sidewalk where the guy stood didn’t belong to the business so they had no say.
Depending on the circumstances, it can be. And even if this particular act was not a crime in the strict sense, it still made patrons outside uncomfortable. If we change the circumstances a bit: maybe this was a dude on his phone recording on a public sidewalk, leering at a attractive woman on the patio, what would be the proper solution in that circumstance? 🤷 if we are going to write laws that we all have to follow, they have to be universally applied. That universal application can lead to some unforeseen, and unwanted consequences...
@@Royce16727Then patrons can sit inside the actual private property to increase their comfort instead of outside on the public sidewalk. The business doesn't own the sidewalk. Unless there is a lease agreement they are paying, that is public property, and let's call it what it is. Stealing from the public.
@@Royce16727Listen dude, your opinion and your what if non sense have zero consideration when applied to the law. Rights don't pause where your feelings start
People sit at an open air sidewalk cafe on a city street, where they are likely being filmed by multiple surveillance cameras, then say they're concerned about privacy? Sorry, that's ridiculous.
Being recorded by multiple surveillance cameras is completely different from what this person was doing. He was deliberately antagonising them, and trying to provoke someone into a confrontation. If they want to film the city, then film the city, but to stand there like a moron and just be pointing a camera at someones face for minutes at a time is straight up harrassment.
The cop who just casually walked over and check the guys bag shown that violating people rights is second nature to these cops. People only have the rights cops say they do…the only way cops find out about a citizen rights is after they violate them and the city or dept is sued….they are told to stop doing that
@@seabeejg yea, your probable right. The whole problems with law enforcement (if you call it that) in this country is the way cops are hired and training and the lack of accountability. They are hired by other cops that want to know if they see a cop violate the law or someone civil rights the new guy will have their back. It's called Back the Blue. As for training, the primary focus is using violence and physical force to make an arrest and how to kill someone with a firearm. There will be no accountability as long as there is qualify immunity.
@ cops dress like they are going to war no matter where they go…I attend a local police citizen academy at the community center. Part of the rules to attend was no weapons, even thought there is no law against an open carry or concealed carry in the community center. There were 4 cops at the training, all were decked out in full gear, bulletproof vest, guns, taser, pepper spray, extra mags…the works. If cop’s really want to show respect and trust with the community they should have left all that in the car. But no, to the cop that gear is their sign of authority more then their badge.
and, maybe THEY are on public property. Let´s call the city and let them know about their crappy cops and, if they are on public property, revoke their privileges. We have been informed. Let´s act!
I dunno if dispatchers should also have to explain and interpret the law. Maybe a dispatcher could have eliminated this situation, but think of how many would accidentally tell someone the police couldn’t help when they could-like DV and people with retraining orders, family conflict, etc. (I don’t think cities would be okay with paying them more for that massive additional training either) But I definitely understand your frustration
East Lansing Police Policy: 1) immediately upon arriving at a business establishment, solicit a trespass; 2) demand ID from a photographer who is doing nothing except taking photos on a public sidewalk; 3) go back into business & investigate; 4) cops return ID & leave with no arrest & photographer continues to photograph. Oh, and step 5) City of Lansing is sued & must pay out taxpayer money for violation of Constitutional rights. (Probably add Step 6: in 2 years, cop who responsible for payout is promoted to sergeant where he continues to violate rights & generate payouts.)
Does she just not listen? No matter how many times he points out that he is on the public sidewalk, she keeps saying, "They just don't want you on their property."
😵💫....i guess i shouldn't be surprised. It's a shame how there's no one in any position in any Govt agency that watches & monitors people to make sure certain stardards are being met. Nobody strives for excellence anymore. Nobody cares. It's alarming how fast our country has gone downhill. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. We used to hold our heads up high, proud to be Americans. Not anymore. Now we hang our heads in embarassment. What happened? It's sad. Depressing. 😢 😟 🥺 ☹️
My ex was a dispatcher throughout college about 10 years ago. She told me they need a big overhaul and huge windfall of funding. But nobody wants to raise taxes for them, and everyone assumes they’re doing fine when they bring it up. She said that if they got a certain percent of money going towards police and fire and if ambulances had to pay an additional tax that went to dispatch, then they could update the systems, improve training, work on employee retention, etc. But nobody wants to do that, again partly because nobody wants to think there’s any problems with the system.
😵💫 I guess I shouldn't be surprised. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. There used to be standards. People weren't allowed to be in positions that weren't qualified & up to par. It's a shame that there's no one that oversees Govt Agencies & the positions - especially an important position like 911 Dispatch!! That should be monitored to make sure dispatchers get top quality training & the dispatchers that get hired are educated, well trained, & qualified. People used to strive for excellence. We held our heads high - proud to be an American. Proud to be working. Now we hang our heads in shame. Embarassed of our President, police, schools, etc, etc. It's sad. Are there ANY standards anymore? It's as if anything goes & we keep sinking to new lows. It's depressing.
@@T____W____7777 You can´t have shiny things when one political party's mantra is "less taxes" regardless the efficiency of said government service. In addition, there is willful sabotage by this same party of some government functions. The lack of IRS funding over decades for example.
When the dispatcher laughed when the manager said that he is on the sidewalk, she knew he was doing nothing illegal and could've prevented this by telling the manager that if he is on _public_ property, there is nothing they can do. She could've prevented the whole situation. Dont put your guests next to the public sidewalk. There is no expectation of privacy on or from public property.
@jimminycrunkett well except for when the right wing conservatives voted in a felon because they felt he would recover the economy, with no economic plan.
6:26 so I can be sitting at home, and if a business wants me trespassed, a cop can show up at my home and force me to i.d. according to this officer's logic. Such an idiot
Ugh. Disappointing that he surrendered his Fourth Amendment right immediately, without protest or civil disobedience. The way a trespass works, as I understand it, a person goes onto foreign property, a legal representative of the property asks or tells them to leave ... and the person refuses. The photographer was never on the property and so had no obligation to ID himself. Jolly Pumpkin should not be able to have a comatose patient in a hospital trespassed and ID'ed just because the manager of the Jolly Pumpkin doesn't like men named Tom. Schmucks. 🙄
I mean it happened to me. I pumped gas at a gas station. the manager knows me and hates me. next day I had a cop come to my door and tell me I am not allowed on the property and asked for my ID. I said "okay have a good day" and closed the door. he left.
He got checked by someone higher than him then he tried to make himself not look as bad. I mean it isn't a good look for cops to not look like they know what they are doing.
It is a grey line. This jackass is affecting this business just because he can. This dude is an obvious provocateur. Keep this shit up and they’ll change the definition of harassment and this shit will be illegal.
If I heard right, and I might have misheard, I think he also told his sergeant that he would let the manager know that they could potentially be sued if he was falsely trespassed. But when he went in to talk to her again, he only asked further questions which proved that he was in fact being falsely trespassed, and never bothered to communicate that to her. He obviously was not, in the end, trespassed, but the bar is still potentially liable (along with the city) for his illegal detention, and his failure to communicate that to her could exacerbate the damage that he caused by his completely willful misconduct here.
@@brasshouse-ogYes but unless he is violating a law about “disturbing the peace” or something (that is not trespass or something based on private property) that applies to public property he is free to do so…
To be fair… 99 times out of 100, auditors are just wanna be UA-cam stars who make complete nuisances of themselves in places where nothing nefarious was going on in the first place. This one is an exception however, and for his presence in the universe, we should all be grateful.
The recording of the initial call should be sent right the the officers responding, so they can listen and verify the report. This needs to be standard practice.
@@bikeguyhd1035 a caller isn’t the best. You remember on this same channel. A caller said a person recording had a weapon and 8-12 cop cars showed up to a poor guy that was just filming. It could be dangerous..
When he did that, i knew we had a uniformed turd on scene. He couldn't care less about his Oath to the Constitution and our Rights. When he's confronted with reason, he cries about I'm not gonna go back and forth with ya.... The statement of a loser that knows he's wrong and too stupid to apologize. Three uniformed jackwagons for a guy with a camera...in public. They claim to be highly trained and have excellent investigate skills...but all we see is biased stupidity disguised as peace officers.
What I saw? The citizen in question stood his ground, and those officers BACKED DOWN! 🙏🙏🙏 And that is thanks largely in part to the work you and others like you have done and continue to do. ❤❤❤ Thank you for educating the masses @AuditTheAudit. You have no idea the good you accomplish here! 10 YEARS AGO, heck, even just a few years ago, that man in the ball cap would have spent countless hours if not WEEKS in jail! Thank you seriously. 💯
"I want every person in this building trespassed from my home. Go start getting all their IDs and issuing trespassing notices." Makes exactly as much sense as what they are trying to do to him.
Here we go....there is NO such thing as "soliciting a trespass". How is the officer supposed to know if the business wants him trespassed? Asking the question isn't an issue. Do I think the officer was right? NO, but asking the question of the business isn't an issue.
@@echo6echo419 Absolutely it is soliciting a trespass. The officer's job is to ask what's going on and perhaps what they want done about it. It is up to the property owner to request a trespass.
I am within driving distance of this business. This video did two things for me. 1. Made me aware of the existence of the Jolly Pumpkin. 2. Gave me a reason to never support their business.
I don’t live there, and I felt the same way for almost the entire video. Then I realized that the manager really didn’t do anything wrong. She was only trying to satisfy the customers to the best of her ability. That’s just business. She told the truth when she called 911. She even questioned the cop as to whether or not the guy could even be trespassed from their establishment when he hasn’t been in it. So, it’s really the police who are completely at fault here, imo.
@@BradCarlMusictrying to satisfy the customers in her business? There was a raggedy wretched black guy that was sitting outside talking nonsense, and it appears that no one said anything to him or approached him for anything whatsoever. They were also some very loud belligerent people in the background speaking as the officers were speaking to this person, and no one said anything to them as far as we can tell. So the interest of what customers was this woman trying to protect?
How dare a manager stand up for their customers who have voiced displeasure at a First Amendment Frauditor harassing them by continuing to film them after they asked him to stop. Maybe Audit the Police and not the general public who are trying to live their daily lives and have a meal in peace.
Owner: "he's just really bad for business" Want to know what else is bad for business? Getting flooded with 1 star reviews because you decided it was a good plan to violate someone.
I don't hold the Jolly Pumpkin accountable for this. She was honest with the dispatch and the cop didn't ask any questions. She even admitted that they probably can't trespass him.
An employee at a brewery had these cops jumping through their own asses because they weren’t educated on basic law. The response should have been to the brewery employee, that the man was not breaking any laws and therefore there is no action to be taken. Instead they wasted time and taxpayer dollars due to lack of education.
"We don't want people taking pictures of our customers." Has security cameras on site and invites police with body cams inside. Idiocracy was a documentary.
To be fair, they’re two very different types of recording. Security cameras and body cams are ostensibly for your protection and safety, and typically have restrictions on who can access the footage. Some guy on the sidewalk setting up a phone on a tripod and gimbal and pointing it at you is a complete unknown, and is quite unusual. Even if something is legal, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to do.
@@chaschuky999 While you are correct, that those two are two different types of recording and I do agree, I do think that even if you think it's unusual to set up a tripod on a sidewalk and record the public, it's perfectly fine if it's not against the law. Doesn't matter how weird that is to you.
@@VantaBlackhole In that case, doesn’t it make total sense for the restaurant to call the cops on the auditor? They were not willing to have blind trust he was doing “an investigation”. They either have to blindly trust he is not being nefarious or do as they did calling proper authorities to investigate.
just a casual violation of the 4th Amendment. the kid is a walking lawsuit. if the sargeant (he isn't) was smart he would severely limit the loser's authority.
They read the law. All he needed to do was state his name. It doesn't matter because he was within his rights on the sidewalk. Those patrons were foul. I would have liked to see the cop tell the patrons that he had his rights.
@hillbilly4christ638 By giving up his ID when it is not required by any law in this instance, he makes it harder for the rest of us. It matters that we do what is right, and as Americans, we are expected to defend our rights; we are that authority of Roman's 13, as stated in our founding documents. When a cop violates their oath of office, they are in sin, and it would be wrong of me not to provoke them to good works, and call them to repent of their sins and come back to our Father's family in Christ.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 They aren't _playing_ victim though. They have a right to be obnoxious within the bounds of the law, and when police violate that right, they _are_ the victim. They're auditing police response to legal activity.
Important thing to keep in mind for this one: It's not just the cops. Someone called the cops here, they didn't materialize from the ether. Small business tyrants hate your rights more than anyone else, even cops
Because most police get minimal training. In my state the academy is 600 hours, covering 7 major areas of training and multiple minor areas. Ignoring all the minor areas, thats only 85.7 hours of training for each of the 7 major areas of training. How much can you really learn in 86 hours?
"An alarming lack of knowledge" seems to be the modus operandi for all law enforcement in our country. If ignorance of the law is no excuse for a citizen, how much greater should that application be for ANY law officer or representative of our judicial system? End qualified immunity!
This was an excellent analysis. The reason why Livingston is having a hard time finding an attorney who would be willing to file suit is because in order to prevail, Livingston would have to prove damages. Did the Officer violate Livingston's 4th amendment? Arguably yes, however, the violation was remedied when the Officer took no further action, therefore, Livingston suffered no damages. Courts view this as a "no harm no foul" situation. As a real world example, which is well settled law, if an Officer conducts an illegal search, and the Officer finds something (drugs, illegal weapons, etc...) but does not make the arrest, then the person suffered no damages, except for maybe forfeiting their illegal contraband. However, if that illegal search results in an arrest, then there are damages and the person would have a viable cause of action for Government violation of 4th Amendment rights.
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Prove me wrong;
It’s hypocritical to say you love and support the Constitution, if you also voted for Trump.
He says he will get rid of Birthright Citizenship, even though it’s part of the 14th Amendment
He literally said he would terminate parts of the Constitution on social media after he lost the last election and started his 4 year temper tantrum about it. He also said he would give police federal immunity during this current campaign, after the police shooting of Sonya Massey
3:26 cop just violated the other guy's rights too
I just bought the book and looking forward to reading it.
The investigation done by cops has to be the stupidest investigation that I’ve ever seen. Most of these people are too damn incompetent to hold a job at Subway let alone via police officer. He wasn’t on the property. He told you he wasn’t on the property. He’s been on the sidewalk and you’re still trying to push the I need your ID like it’s fucking crack. I mean there are addicted to ID. Can’t let it go like a bunch of things need that fixed. They need their ID. He committed no crime. He’s on a public sidewalk recording in front of anybody to establishment. He can do that. Just tell them not to go on the other person‘s property and call it a day and beat feet
"Actually" the restaurant's patio is on the PUBLIC sidewalk!!! So even if he went past the barrels it still wouldn't be trespassing
"Do you want him trespassed?"
"Yes."
Stellar investigative skills.
When I got the body camera footage I was shocked to what was said. He spent more time waiting for Mary then talking to Mary.
He couldn't hang about, he was jonesing for that ID.
@@LivingstonAudits Good job on the A+
@@LivingstonAuditsgreat work big dog. You handled yourself very well. I’m too hot-headed for this kind of thing
@@LivingstonAudits … Go directly after Ofc. Surman’s “Qualified Immunity,” because (I guarantee it…) he’ll attempt to HIDE BEHIND IT!
“He’s just one of those first amendment guys”
Great to know the police aren’t.
They don't want us to have rights. They have no respect for any rights, or the constitution they were sworn to uphold
Imagine, lowly citizens enforcing their rights *spits*
Right now filming like this is protected by the first amendment. If people keep doing this it won't be. They were there to film the police trespassing homeless people from the sidewalk? What does that have to do with the customers who don't want to be filmed while trying to eat? The cops are of course are in the wrong here. I'm just saying them filming customers eat is hurting their cause.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 The customers started name calling the guy with the camera so he started recording them.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 No, filming isnt hurting anyones cause. Simply because its a first amendment protected activity. You cannot make RIGHTS into CRIMES. Get a backbone.
Don't forget the illegal search of the black dude behind him.
Testify!
I saw that too, lifting up the lip of the bag to look inside.
Makes a person want to walk around with a backpack jammed full of adult toys in case the cops want to search you.
Right wtf?!
Saw that, they just can't stop bothering people
Saw that too, just started going through his stuff
Caught that as well, cops should be embarrassed
This officer is so confused. ‘You have the right to be on a public sidewalk, but they’re a private business and so they can have you trespassed.’ Please, no life and death decisions for this guy.
This. The words are meaningless to their minds. The power they can exert is all that matters to these smooth brains.
The dead quiet when that officer realized that yes, indeed he did solicit a trespass. 😂😂
And the auditor handed over his ID because...? It bothers me to no end when auditors hand over their ID when they clearly don't have to. Educate those cops!
Best moment of the whole interaction
So good lol
@@brianbagnall3029because the officer already declared he was detained for trespassing, so he had already lost QI and opened up to a lawsuit
@@brianbagnall3029 I cant agree more. He should have handed his ID under threat of arrest. He handed it when the male officer asked it. Now the officer will assert Mr Levingston handed it consensually.
"You want him trespassed?" is BRILLIANT investigative techniques!!!
Then after harrasing and intimidating, he makes a call and finds out he might actually need to do his duty?? Oh what a shame!!
Hahaha!! Is that "Grey Line" in a clear situation like this.. similar or akin to the "Blue Line"?
Solicitation of trespass
@@BlitzKrieg-fc8up That is why more and more people are loosing faith in the police
Really highlights those weeks of training 😂
A property owner called trespass, someone that has not set foot on the property in order for police to obtain their ID. This is a fourth amendment violation.
And false arrest.
Yup
No it's not. He willingly relinquished that right.
@@kenbo-2179 Found the bootlicker.
@@kenbo-2179 They used the unlawful trespass to require his ID.
I see those "first amendment guys" as "mystery shoppers" but for the police 😂
I see them as 50 year old virgins.
Pretty much.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 whatever you say officer.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 username checks out.
@purringbluzzmuffin8030 you just love the taste of boots dont you?
The Cop says he's a "1st Amendment guy" as if your Constitutional rights are something to be ashamed of.. We the People need to stop this now!
@@JamesKennedy-t9h Cops do and say that shit all the time! It's actually quite embarrassing and infuriating. They say all manner of stupid, impertinent, two-faced things when in private with complainants.
Most auditors are as obnoxious as the police. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. I hate them as much as the cops
Absolutely right. Cops should realize every citizen including themselves are entitled and beholden to the First Amendment. We are all "First Amendment guys" and need to exercise our rights so that uninformed tyrants stop infringing on them.
No, he said it as if he meant that the guy didn’t do anything wrong
We the people are first amendment people. Like the majority of people who are cops are just the wrong people.
The officer solicited a trespass because he just wants the arrest. He wanted it so bad that he even was ready to fight with his sergeant. Great job dumb asses.
They don't make ANY money for the state if they just come chat and walk away. They have to escalate to make an arrest.
This is the problem with poor policing. Officers make assumptions based on a on-sided call placed to dispatch and make little effort to investigate. They have established routines, like demanding ID, that they fall back on instead of learning the laws, evaluating the actions of everyone involved, and determining if there was a crime and, if so, what that crime was. They just want to issue a citation and be on their way. That isn't community policing.
What happens when you hire illiterate hillbillies.
Imagine how that abusing thug treats his family behind closed doors
The point system exposed. Trying to get that pay raise and higher rank.
Ironically, these people that didn't want to be filmed in public ended up all over police body cams and a popular UA-cam channel...
Cause who knows what a strange man is gonna do with that footage, just don’t fucking record people
They must not want to be on the cameras the business has on inside.... all the public security cameras outside is preferable......
@@shabut lazy and uneducated reply.
That is not a good endorsement of their business!!!!
😂❤
12:45 "I have reasonable suspicion to I.D you because a crime is afoot" lol was he reading sherlock holmes?
11:45 "because he's not on my property, we can't trespass him, right?" Crazy how even the bar manager knows the law but these "peace" officers had to contact their boss. How sad, embarrassing and crazy is that?!
The fact that he's called it a grey line twice when both civilian parties know there isn't.
Exactly! The property owner could guess at that portion of the law, but the cops couldn't even investigate if he entered and remained after being told to leave or trespassed in any capacity before demanding an ID. So goddamn amazing.
it is by design
@DeezNuggz I think you are correct! It could be said that the trend shows LEO'S are more inclined push issues they know are unlawful, showing that quotas are used to catch more fish in the net. Some may avoid prosecution, many won't.
This department should be embarrassed that a random citizen knows the law better than their officers.
13:12 “So you solicited a trespass without doing your investigation “. !! Golden!!
"Oh.. Oh!" Diamonds
When the dumb cop says"hey what's up!"...the look the dude is giving him😂..."yes sucker make it easy!"😂
"Investigation"😂too funny,you may as well be talking about their superior FBI.😂
Looo at his Partner Lmdao
For the cop to say “that’s your opinion “ when he flat out admitted it 😂
"They don't want you on their property"
"I've never been on their property"
Jfc this cop 🤣
Followed up by telling him that he can stay on the sidewalk on public(exactly what he has been doing).
No education required to follow orders. No requirement to understand law when you're able to act with impunity iether. 😂 I don't live in America yet I have more knowledge of rights than any of these cops! That's hilarious.
Mr. Livingston filed an offical complaint with the cops which of course was duly noted & then duly tossed in the trash. Case Closed.
The cop's understanding is that any business can trespass people at random. You can't trespass someone that has never been on your property.
jfc?
3:20 the officer ruffling through that poor man’s bag and the man says “yeah back up back up”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Trespassed from a property he wasn't on, illegally ID' and 1st Amendment violated all because the cops got a call. Abolish qualified immunity and get rid of these jokers. "He's just one of those 1st Amendment guys." Tells me all I need to know. Love how the guy catches the cops for soliciting a trespass before even finding out if he had even been on the property. Golden.
EVERY person in America is an EVERY amendment guy.
It looks like the state courts have all but stripped the fourth amendment rights from the citizens of this state.
I don't think the cops were right, however, you can be trespassed from a private business for no reason at all other than they don't want you there. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as "soliciting a trespass". A LEO asking them the question is not illegal, immoral or anything else. Some places just give authority to the local agency to trespass at will and they don't even need to ask anyone.
@echo6echo419 you're incorrect. You cannot be trespassed from a property you are not on. They don't need a reason but you have to be asked and refuse to leave in order to then be legally trespassed. In many States there are indeed laws against police soliciting a trespass, maybe not in your's.
@@HighlanderThisIlldefend You're confusing "trespass order" and "criminal trespass". I can say I don't want you on my property and you either have to leave and stay off or just stay off. That's a "trespass order". If you refuse to leave or come back on the property, that's criminal trespass and you can be arrested. Both are commonly called "trespassIng". It's a bit of a misnomer, but I'm am correct that you can't "solicit a trespass" as everyone says. Please show me the statute or finding if you think there is such a thing as I can't find it.
The first thing the cops said was give me your ID. This says a lot about these characters.
Yes, that's what they are taught in the police academy. The same things were taught to the Nazi Stormtroopers and the Stasi after them. We must see your ID/ your papers!
They're addicted to ID like it's cop heroin.
“Ve must szee ze papars!”
ID junkies, They need their fix.
Gotta keep the ID theft ring money coming in
One might think that a single officer could have taken care of this call for service in 30 seconds by informing the manager of constitutional rights and Wishing the auditor a nice day.
The manager already knew the law and his rights. She just hoped the cops harassing him would scare him off.
Or a dispatcher could have asked “So what is the nature of the emergency. “
@Ndgar Seems it might be past time to educate ALL 911 dispatchers nationwide on simple procedures and we can avoid these types of situations as the knowledge goes back to their individual distriicts.
@@sbarron2000 She probably cared about her customers' experience or something crazy like that.
Dispatchers should be trained to say “other than filming in public which is legal, is anything going on?”.
Hold the disbatchers accountable , so they know thier job is NOT TO MAKEUP A CASE TO TARGET SOMEONE
The cops solicit a trespass from public property. This is the EASIEST LAWSUIT EVER!!!!
The Jolly Pumpkin Yelp website is being hammered with negative comments. And the jerks sitting at the table who didn't want to be videoed have now been viewed by almost a million people.
@@calamagrostis88yelp closed the comments for the JP too. Got a warning saying their site has been hit with lots of traffic so they closed comment section and they are doing an investigation to make sure it's actual consumer related or a recent event. Lol.
A private enterprise has a citizen trespassed from a public sidewalk. What kind of parallel universe is this??
idiocracy
🤡topia
This is democracy in action.
It takes more effort and study to become a plumber than it does to become a law enforcement officer.
@@thebullgator It takes more time to be taught to cut hair.
When are dispatchers going to start telling people it is NOT ILLEGAL.
Not their call unless their an officer
Need to hold dispatchers responsible for their actions as well
When they become cops and have the right to. They report but do not investigate.
Never, because it's impossible to make that determination over the phone
@@christine_lovelace That can very easily be changed
Great work Mr. Livingston! Probably the best auditor I've seen yet.
"I go ask them... If he... If he ever entered..."
Good idea officer, why didn't you do that in the first place? 🤦🏻♀️
He missed that day at the academy.
I mean it's not really relevant to being trespassed. He can be trespassed while standing outside. It's just not a criminal matter at all.
@@chronographer Yes it is relevant. He can't be trespassed from a public sidewalk
@@chronographerit is absolutely imperative that we know whether or not he actually entered the property. This is CRITICAL. Otherwise, any business can trespass any random person walking by, which would mean anyone can be IDd by the cops for no reason at all. This is an obvious problem that would arise from being able to do what the cops are trying to do in this video. The only reason I should have to provide police with my ID is if I’m suspected of committing a crime, or I’m involved in supporting an investigation as a witness. A business simply pointing to someone who HAS NOT entered the property at any point isn’t sufficient for determining reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place.
@thepax2621 but he can be trespassed from the private business, even while standing on the side walk.
I like how this auditor heard about cops doing something wrong and showed up to help stop them.
A lot of auditors act cocky and borderline provocative with cops, this guy was a smooth operator.
Great job!
I'm with you there. He was calm, articulate, and nonconfrontational.
If a cop can be provoked Into not doing the right thing then he's still a shitty cop.
I liked most of it but didn't like him handing over his ID. You can deny that without being confrontational. Trespassing warnings do not require you to hand over ID. If asked for ID if I was in same situation would respond I will not provide ID without a threat of arrest I need you to violate my 4th amendment right to provide you with my ID(yes I've done this several times and it's about 45/45/10 either they threaten arrest and I provide the ID or they back off or they arrest me I'm ok with any of these outcomes because 2/3's of the time I get paid). By him volunteering to hand it over without that threat of arrest his 4th amendment right wasn't violated.
@@dafizend Maybe you should go do one yourself and show him how it's done
@@briant7265He gave them his ID, therefore I'm a tad disappointed. If you want to stand your ground then do it. Not part time.
The Cop keeps repeating “They don’t want you on their property” even after he’s told them he has been only on the Public Sidewalk. And that it’s a “First Amendment Right”.
I feel like this could have been fixed at the 911 operator level. "Ma'am, do you own the sidewalk? Ok, well that is public property. Call us back if he comes into your store."
The cop's brain was stuck in a delusion (a fixed, false belief despite all evidence to the contrary) that camera guy had trespassed.
How is a public sidewalk, a private business patio?!
Shame on the city also the officer's who are actually being intrusive abusing the public on taxpayer's property!
Sue the business and the town !
People are sued for 1st ammendment right's, this was much more egregious !
Puts tables outside in public. Upset with public.
Claims to be a free speech proponent. Stops and creates a giant scene when some random person calls him fat.
I bet it's the drunks at that table that's been the real problem
@@timr86868 Freedom of speech never meant freedom from consequences, or that everyone needs to be tolerant of what was said. This country's citizens used to understand what debating was, but this social media era's failed attempts at mediation and manipulation have seen that understanding thoroughly destroyed.
@@timr86868he never caused a scene. He stood quietly and simply put up a camera. Now those same ppl calling someone fat have a titty attack for being on camera meanwhile they are sitting in plain view of thousands of cameras.
@@timr86868he didn’t retaliate though. He just did exactly what he’s allowed to do.
Where’s the problem?
The sidewalk isn’t their property. How can the cops be this ignorant? Also, get rid of that dispatcher!
The dispatcher is useless, She will will get someone killed one day with her selective info management.
dave - Not necessary to "get rid" of the dispatcher. She may be very new. We are ALL on a learning curve. She, like these cops, needs better training.
the cops are the "good guys(hired help)" for the business owners. Regular non patrons I guess are just subjects to the city (slaves). Easy to see with VIDEO PROOF.
It's probably supported by local ordinances and department policies. I work for a public library and the local deputies trespassed a dude from our system for a year (our own standard is a week for the first offense) for sleeping on the sidewalk in front of one of our branches. Despite the fact that we requested he NOT be trespassed, they insisted and the SO asserted the trespass was within the deputy's discretionary purview. The department then leaned on the library's leadership and local commissioners to force us to change our policies for people sleeping in or near our facilities.
@@jnothanks all of which aren't laws on PUBLIC PROPERTY unless there is a crime being committed.
"He's one of those 1st amendment guys" says the guy who swore to protect those amendments. You can't fix stupid!
How DARE he invoke one of his FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS! What a DIRTBAG!
LOL, oath? Does anybody still believe that? Oaths are for honorable men. I seriously doubt there's any of them left, but if there are, they're certainly are not the cops.
@@krane15 AMEN ! I took the oath as an 18 year old when i joined the navy, it was a deeply profound moment for me , i had never took an oath before and these 40+ years later i;m still a man of my word.
@@paul-o2n8jdoubt it bud. No follows the "oath"
Indeed. For example, if he wants to go to a public park and film little girls and boys playing, IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, and if a concerned parent wants to do something about it, then they are TYRANTS.
If the cops would simply perform their jobs in accordance with the oaths they took, they should be telling any concerned parent to mind their own business and permit the stranger to film their children, because any time you are in public, you have zero expectation to not feel uncomfortable due to the actions of a strange man filming your children. It's WHAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED.
I am impressed. Often these 'repackaged audits' are just... an excuse to shuffle other folks' work, but you have added incredibly lucid and pertinent analysis of what's going on.
Great job!
“They’re requesting that we go ahead and move you along” I think that is the single most outrageous statement made within this interaction.
the resturant should pay the cops salary since the cops appear to be working for them .
Did anyone else see the other guy sitting on a bench get his 4th right violated by the cop that wasn't there for him.
3:15 - 3:29 you uncivil monster.
Plain sight items are not protected by the 4th amendment
It was an open bag sitting on the ledge, not a closed bag on his person
@@magicbeefy85 so if u out side i can walk over and open up your bags? you feel ok with that?
@@magicbeefy85did he touch the bag to open it further? Yes he's did, and that eliminates the plain view doctrine.
@@Herb-z9wexactly officer had no clue what was inside the bad without opening it to see. That proves it’s not plain sight in itself
I am a gardener from northern England and i know more about the US constitution and laws than almost every cop in America.
Whats sad is it's than most Americans, look the jolly pumbkin didn't know that you shouldn't call the cops on people not breaking the law. They were hoping the cops would come to beat and kidnap him
The cops know, they just don't give a shit.
You would be over qualified for a police job in America. Stick to gardening.
Likewise ( but not a gardener) 😎🇬🇧🤷🏻♂️
@@warwickscram1656 - Honestly, a lot of cop don't know. They can't even tell you what that 1st amendment is.
How do you get trespassed from a public sidewalk by a business you've never even set foot in?
I know by that cops logic he could uno that and trespass the cop from his house and ask for his information
That’s the neat part, you can’t
This happened in another area. The guy was on the sidewalk with sign I think (something Christianly written on the sign I believe). He wasn’t harassing anyone or asking for anything (money, etc.). The business called the police. They argued with the guy and I believe arrested him (later released). He technically never was on the business “property” and wasn’t doing anything unlawful. He knew his rights. The cops didn’t. I might have some details wrong. But overall the sidewalk where the guy stood didn’t belong to the business so they had no say.
She is a bully female.. they all are!
i'm from the uk and even i understand your "trespass" laws better than that muppet leo
That should have ended at the phone call with dispatch telling the caller that recording is not a crime, good bye.
Depending on the circumstances, it can be. And even if this particular act was not a crime in the strict sense, it still made patrons outside uncomfortable. If we change the circumstances a bit: maybe this was a dude on his phone recording on a public sidewalk, leering at a attractive woman on the patio, what would be the proper solution in that circumstance? 🤷 if we are going to write laws that we all have to follow, they have to be universally applied. That universal application can lead to some unforeseen, and unwanted consequences...
I'm starting to think that they hire anyone who graduated middle school
@@Royce16727Discomfort is a personal problem. Not a crime.
No expectation of privacy in public. The law has been decided.
@@Royce16727Then patrons can sit inside the actual private property to increase their comfort instead of outside on the public sidewalk. The business doesn't own the sidewalk. Unless there is a lease agreement they are paying, that is public property, and let's call it what it is. Stealing from the public.
@@Royce16727Listen dude, your opinion and your what if non sense have zero consideration when applied to the law. Rights don't pause where your feelings start
Unlawful detainment, unlawful ID, Unlawful Trespass. Very easy Lawsuit.
People sit at an open air sidewalk cafe on a city street, where they are likely being filmed by multiple surveillance cameras, then say they're concerned about privacy? Sorry, that's ridiculous.
I'd bet there wasn't a single customer concerned.
Being recorded by multiple surveillance cameras is completely different from what this person was doing. He was deliberately antagonising them, and trying to provoke someone into a confrontation. If they want to film the city, then film the city, but to stand there like a moron and just be pointing a camera at someones face for minutes at a time is straight up harrassment.
@cassiealcaide2306 did you not watch the video?
The cop who just casually walked over and check the guys bag shown that violating people rights is second nature to these cops. People only have the rights cops say they do…the only way cops find out about a citizen rights is after they violate them and the city or dept is sued….they are told to stop doing that
Ditto!!!
Except they don't stop and are usually let off again. And again. And again. And aga....you get it.
@@seabeejg yea, your probable right. The whole problems with law enforcement (if you call it that) in this country is the way cops are hired and training and the lack of accountability. They are hired by other cops that want to know if they see a cop violate the law or someone civil rights the new guy will have their back. It's called Back the Blue. As for training, the primary focus is using violence and physical force to make an arrest and how to kill someone with a firearm. There will be no accountability as long as there is qualify immunity.
And even then, they are told that as a formality to follow ADMINISTRATIVE policy.
@ cops dress like they are going to war no matter where they go…I attend a local police citizen academy at the community center. Part of the rules to attend was no weapons, even thought there is no law against an open carry or concealed carry in the community center. There were 4 cops at the training, all were decked out in full gear, bulletproof vest, guns, taser, pepper spray, extra mags…the works. If cop’s really want to show respect and trust with the community they should have left all that in the car. But no, to the cop that gear is their sign of authority more then their badge.
Violations of the 4th amendment and I also blame the dispatcher too. The sidewalk isn’t part of the property!
Explain that dispatcher. She sure cries in court room.
and, maybe THEY are on public property. Let´s call the city and let them know about their crappy cops and, if they are on public property, revoke their privileges. We have been informed. Let´s act!
So much for the Bill of Rights.
I dunno if dispatchers should also have to explain and interpret the law. Maybe a dispatcher could have eliminated this situation, but think of how many would accidentally tell someone the police couldn’t help when they could-like DV and people with retraining orders, family conflict, etc. (I don’t think cities would be okay with paying them more for that massive additional training either) But I definitely understand your frustration
His t-shirt couldn't have been more spot on.
East Lansing Police Policy: 1) immediately upon arriving at a business establishment, solicit a trespass; 2) demand ID from a photographer who is doing nothing except taking photos on a public sidewalk; 3) go back into business & investigate; 4) cops return ID & leave with no arrest & photographer continues to photograph. Oh, and step 5) City of Lansing is sued & must pay out taxpayer money for violation of Constitutional rights. (Probably add Step 6: in 2 years, cop who responsible for payout is promoted to sergeant where he continues to violate rights & generate payouts.)
Does she just not listen? No matter how many times he points out that he is on the public sidewalk, she keeps saying, "They just don't want you on their property."
The jolly pumpkin owns the sidewalk 🥴
@@gonzalez8juanEven if that were true an easement almost certainly exists.
"Allow me to introduce you to the invading IDIOCRACY of... 🤡topia from another dimension."
- Reality
@@gonzalez8juan No, the city does.
@@annjepsen1621 really? I had no idea /s
Ladies and gentlemen remember feelings do not dictate the law
go tell the whole female staff at that place
Youre obviously not from the UK then?
@@jimzucker
Thier reviews are bing bombed, however, google is already on that.....
@audioman808 Respectfully... you are wrong. Laws are 100% sourced from emotion.
I work at a 911 dispatch for 20years the government doesn't teach dispatch anything
😵💫....i guess i shouldn't be surprised. It's a shame how there's no one in any position in any Govt agency that watches & monitors people to make sure certain stardards are being met. Nobody strives for excellence anymore. Nobody cares. It's alarming how fast our country has gone downhill. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. We used to hold our heads up high, proud to be Americans. Not anymore. Now we hang our heads in embarassment. What happened? It's sad. Depressing. 😢 😟 🥺 ☹️
Unsurprising.
My ex was a dispatcher throughout college about 10 years ago. She told me they need a big overhaul and huge windfall of funding. But nobody wants to raise taxes for them, and everyone assumes they’re doing fine when they bring it up. She said that if they got a certain percent of money going towards police and fire and if ambulances had to pay an additional tax that went to dispatch, then they could update the systems, improve training, work on employee retention, etc. But nobody wants to do that, again partly because nobody wants to think there’s any problems with the system.
😵💫 I guess I shouldn't be surprised. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. There used to be standards. People weren't allowed to be in positions that weren't qualified & up to par. It's a shame that there's no one that oversees Govt Agencies & the positions - especially an important position like 911 Dispatch!! That should be monitored to make sure dispatchers get top quality training & the dispatchers that get hired are educated, well trained, & qualified. People used to strive for excellence. We held our heads high - proud to be an American. Proud to be working. Now we hang our heads in shame. Embarassed of our President, police, schools, etc, etc. It's sad. Are there ANY standards anymore? It's as if anything goes & we keep sinking to new lows. It's depressing.
@@T____W____7777 You can´t have shiny things when one political party's mantra is "less taxes" regardless the efficiency of said government service.
In addition, there is willful sabotage by this same party of some government functions. The lack of IRS funding over decades for example.
When the dispatcher laughed when the manager said that he is on the sidewalk, she knew he was doing nothing illegal and could've prevented this by telling the manager that if he is on _public_ property, there is nothing they can do. She could've prevented the whole situation.
Dont put your guests next to the public sidewalk.
There is no expectation of privacy on or from public property.
Cops, you enforce law. Not feelings. In case you guys forgot.
this is the Feminised West bro, its all about feelings now
Truth.
Pffft. They don’t even do that. They enforce their own laws/opinions.
Got to remember those businesses. Give them free stuff all the time. Most restaurants feed them for free also which seems to be a health concern
@jimminycrunkett well except for when the right wing conservatives voted in a felon because they felt he would recover the economy, with no economic plan.
6:26 so I can be sitting at home, and if a business wants me trespassed, a cop can show up at my home and force me to i.d. according to this officer's logic. Such an idiot
Ofc, didn't you hear the news? You are guilty until proven innocent.
We have all broken some law before we get outta bed each morning. It's designed that way.
Well, you can pre-emptively trespass every local police officer from your own property, apparently...
Ugh. Disappointing that he surrendered his Fourth Amendment right immediately, without protest or civil disobedience. The way a trespass works, as I understand it, a person goes onto foreign property, a legal representative of the property asks or tells them to leave ... and the person refuses. The photographer was never on the property and so had no obligation to ID himself. Jolly Pumpkin should not be able to have a comatose patient in a hospital trespassed and ID'ed just because the manager of the Jolly Pumpkin doesn't like men named Tom. Schmucks. 🙄
I mean it happened to me. I pumped gas at a gas station. the manager knows me and hates me. next day I had a cop come to my door and tell me I am not allowed on the property and asked for my ID. I said "okay have a good day" and closed the door. he left.
Officer states to the manager, “it is a gray line”, no it’s black and white. Public sidewalk leave the guy alone!
He got checked by someone higher than him then he tried to make himself not look as bad. I mean it isn't a good look for cops to not look like they know what they are doing.
It is a grey line. This jackass is affecting this business just because he can. This dude is an obvious provocateur. Keep this shit up and they’ll change the definition of harassment and this shit will be illegal.
If I heard right, and I might have misheard, I think he also told his sergeant that he would let the manager know that they could potentially be sued if he was falsely trespassed. But when he went in to talk to her again, he only asked further questions which proved that he was in fact being falsely trespassed, and never bothered to communicate that to her.
He obviously was not, in the end, trespassed, but the bar is still potentially liable (along with the city) for his illegal detention, and his failure to communicate that to her could exacerbate the damage that he caused by his completely willful misconduct here.
@@brasshouse-ogYes but unless he is violating a law about “disturbing the peace” or something (that is not trespass or something based on private property) that applies to public property he is free to do so…
@@brasshouse-og Except it will not because it is 1A protected.
Thank you, you explained the interaction between the auditor and the officers very well. Enjoyed this video.
This is EXACTLY why auditors are important!!
auditors are clowns and need to go
To be fair… 99 times out of 100, auditors are just wanna be UA-cam stars who make complete nuisances of themselves in places where nothing nefarious was going on in the first place. This one is an exception however, and for his presence in the universe, we should all be grateful.
@MrPete-pe6uk look at all the people agreeing with you!
@williamfrench9973 nothing fair about that assessment. Totally bogus.
@@MrPete-pe6ukyou're either a cop, ex cop or just a bootlicker!
People have actually lost their lives because of a dispatcher not conveying the correct information. that is not acceptable.
The recording of the initial call should be sent right the the officers responding, so they can listen and verify the report. This needs to be standard practice.
@bikeguyhd1035 thats not efficient at all. They just need to train their dispatchers better.
@ how is that not efficient? You don’t want police in the scene the ability to listen to the call, which would help their investigation?
@@bikeguyhd1035 a caller isn’t the best. You remember on this same channel. A caller said a person recording had a weapon and 8-12 cop cars showed up to a poor guy that was just filming. It could be dangerous..
Yes. This, and supposedly many times before, the manager has "swatted" people out in front of the property. She should be very serious trouble.
Did you see how the male tyrant went over and LOOKED in the man's bag sitting on the side. Wow what a violation....
When he did that, i knew we had a uniformed turd on scene.
He couldn't care less about his Oath to the Constitution and our Rights. When he's confronted with reason, he cries about I'm not gonna go back and forth with ya....
The statement of a loser that knows he's wrong and too stupid to apologize. Three uniformed jackwagons for a guy with a camera...in public.
They claim to be highly trained and have excellent investigate skills...but all we see is biased stupidity disguised as peace officers.
I thought the guy was with him.
What I saw? The citizen in question stood his ground, and those officers BACKED DOWN! 🙏🙏🙏
And that is thanks largely in part to the work you and others like you have done and continue to do. ❤❤❤
Thank you for educating the masses @AuditTheAudit. You have no idea the good you accomplish here!
10 YEARS AGO, heck, even just a few years ago, that man in the ball cap would have spent countless hours if not WEEKS in jail!
Thank you seriously. 💯
100 years ago the man in the ball cap would be [gnigniws] from a tree 😂
@purringbluzzmuffin8030 thems was dark times, they wuz... -scratches chinhair-
Y'all have a gud supper??!
Wow the cop in the back illegally searching the mans bag also
“Hes just one of those first amendments guys”? What a citizen that knows their rights? Jeezus
"I want every person in this building trespassed from my home. Go start getting all their IDs and issuing trespassing notices." Makes exactly as much sense as what they are trying to do to him.
Good point…i wasn’t sure how i felt about this until you put it in those terms …you’re right its ludicrous
Was thinking this exact same thing as I was watching the video
Your videos are always so interesting and fun to watch. Keep them coming! 😊
I love that he made sure to say the cop solicated a trespass before even finding out if hed been on the property.
He went from 0-100 with a though or concern given. Is there any wonder he earned an F?
Here we go....there is NO such thing as "soliciting a trespass". How is the officer supposed to know if the business wants him trespassed? Asking the question isn't an issue. Do I think the officer was right? NO, but asking the question of the business isn't an issue.
@@echo6echo419 It's called a leading question. He could've asked "Why did you call us?". But he went with "So, you want us to trespass him?"
@@echo6echo419 Absolutely it is soliciting a trespass. The officer's job is to ask what's going on and perhaps what they want done about it. It is up to the property owner to request a trespass.
@@echo6echo419yes there is. The courts and laws disagree with you.
I am within driving distance of this business. This video did two things for me. 1. Made me aware of the existence of the Jolly Pumpkin. 2. Gave me a reason to never support their business.
I don’t live there, and I felt the same way for almost the entire video. Then I realized that the manager really didn’t do anything wrong. She was only trying to satisfy the customers to the best of her ability. That’s just business. She told the truth when she called 911. She even questioned the cop as to whether or not the guy could even be trespassed from their establishment when he hasn’t been in it. So, it’s really the police who are completely at fault here, imo.
@@BradCarlMusicexactly how I felt man. Not like she’s getting paid to enforce and know the law.
The music alone would keep me far, far away from that place.
@@BradCarlMusictrying to satisfy the customers in her business? There was a raggedy wretched black guy that was sitting outside talking nonsense, and it appears that no one said anything to him or approached him for anything whatsoever. They were also some very loud belligerent people in the background speaking as the officers were speaking to this person, and no one said anything to them as far as we can tell. So the interest of what customers was this woman trying to protect?
How dare a manager stand up for their customers who have voiced displeasure at a First Amendment Frauditor harassing them by continuing to film them after they asked him to stop. Maybe Audit the Police and not the general public who are trying to live their daily lives and have a meal in peace.
You failed to mention the officer's unconstitutional search of the man's closed bag at 3:25.
Yeah, I saw that too. Cops be casually violating everyone's 4th Amendment right in this town apparently
@@TheVeilstrider yeah, srsly tho. Racial ques...? Anyone else get uncomfortable there??
Mr. Linvingston did everything right! Chef's kiss for his composure and wit.
Cops being like “he’s just one of those first amendment guys” is so telling. Like, they don’t care about the law at all 😂
Jolly Pumpkin won't be getting my business...
I never liked Jolly Pumpkin. I tried a bunch of their beers many years ago and they all sucked.
Owner: "he's just really bad for business"
Want to know what else is bad for business? Getting flooded with 1 star reviews because you decided it was a good plan to violate someone.
Yeah they're not going to get the business of probably like 99.999999% of people cuz they ain't live nowhere near there bro
Never heard of online reviews huh? @sanctealphonse4510
I don't hold the Jolly Pumpkin accountable for this. She was honest with the dispatch and the cop didn't ask any questions. She even admitted that they probably can't trespass him.
There's really no wonder why crime is so rampant everywhere It takes 3 officers to chase down a man With a camera
An employee at a brewery had these cops jumping through their own asses because they weren’t educated on basic law. The response should have been to the brewery employee, that the man was not breaking any laws and therefore there is no action to be taken. Instead they wasted time and taxpayer dollars due to lack of education.
Hearing an officer say “he’s one of those first amendment guys “is disgusting
Officer you swore an oath for the First Amendment etc😢
its because the cops hate the 1st amendment. its a Freudian slip.
He’s one of those corrupt ignorant cops.
You're right. The officer should have called him an attention whore.
oh my god he clocked the SHIT out of that officer 🤣🤣🤣 “when did you find out i never went into the property? 🤨” caught him in a liiieee lol
On his own body camera too. LOL. Ouch
the concept of "public" escapes some people....
It’s always amazing how FAST these idiots change the “stated facts” and try to alter the narrative.
I will be trespassing myself from The Jolly Pumpkin.
Ya, avoid downtown Holland as well. Those folks got a stick up their ass too.
Maybe we should do a flash mob of First Amendment Auditor's here ??
Can you tresspass yourself off youtube.
How do officers not know right off the bat that you can't be trespassed off of a public sidewalk?
They only hire trigger happy idiots and teach them that citizens are a dangerous enemy.
If he makes you "feel" uncomfortable, then it can be done 😂
I'm sure it has been asked, but are you going to do an audiobook for the civilian rights handbook? Your narrator is great
Notice how the cops surround him on all corners instead of just talking to him like a normal person would.. Its incredible cops still act like this.
They're trained to act like that
The officer who looked into the guy's bag should be either reprimanded or fired for illegal search. SMH.
Fired
I caught that too. Quite a strange thing to just do so nonchalantly which means he does it all the time.
Well, the bag COULD have contained an anthrax or a bomb.
Officer safety.
"We don't want people taking pictures of our customers." Has security cameras on site and invites police with body cams inside. Idiocracy was a documentary.
"Idiocracy was a documentary" - so true! If you have not seen the movie, check it out!
To be fair, they’re two very different types of recording. Security cameras and body cams are ostensibly for your protection and safety, and typically have restrictions on who can access the footage. Some guy on the sidewalk setting up a phone on a tripod and gimbal and pointing it at you is a complete unknown, and is quite unusual.
Even if something is legal, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to do.
@@chaschuky999 That strictly depends who’s watching & what they’re doing with the footage. Blind trust that they’ll do the right thing isn’t smart.
@@chaschuky999 While you are correct, that those two are two different types of recording and I do agree, I do think that even if you think it's unusual to set up a tripod on a sidewalk and record the public, it's perfectly fine if it's not against the law. Doesn't matter how weird that is to you.
@@VantaBlackhole In that case, doesn’t it make total sense for the restaurant to call the cops on the auditor? They were not willing to have blind trust he was doing “an investigation”. They either have to blindly trust he is not being nefarious or do as they did calling proper authorities to investigate.
Well done mr livingstone big up audit the audit for sharing it
Merry christmas god bless you all
3:23 why does the cop randomly mess with the dude just sitting there?? Wow they have no shame! I would’ve been like “hey get off my bag!!”
thugs
He was checking his paperback for alcohol but still just harassing someone sitting in public
just a casual violation of the 4th Amendment. the kid is a walking lawsuit. if the sargeant (he isn't) was smart he would severely limit the loser's authority.
I saw that too.
Alex was part of why I was there :) He was right about everything he said.
A Constitutional right cannot be construed as a crime.
Yes they can. There is supreme court precedent and local case laws that all right have reasonable restrictions.
Should have never gave up ID. This is so absurd and immoral.
They read the law. All he needed to do was state his name. It doesn't matter because he was within his rights on the sidewalk. Those patrons were foul. I would have liked to see the cop tell the patrons that he had his rights.
@hillbilly4christ638 By giving up his ID when it is not required by any law in this instance, he makes it harder for the rest of us. It matters that we do what is right, and as Americans, we are expected to defend our rights; we are that authority of Roman's 13, as stated in our founding documents. When a cop violates their oath of office, they are in sin, and it would be wrong of me not to provoke them to good works, and call them to repent of their sins and come back to our Father's family in Christ.
As a business owner I would have invited him in to my business, sit down and discuss the situation with him.
When LEOs are ignorant of the laws they enforce they become a danger to law abiding citizens. All that is left is ego.
Ego enhanced by low IQ and willfull ignorance.
Will they do it again? You bet they will, there are ZERO repercussion.
They (police) have really perfected the art of the blurred line of not knowing laws are and not caring what the law is.
Because there are no repercussions of their actions. They are never held responsible for what they do
Never ceases to amaze me. People are getting record everywhere they go, yet they have an issue with someone recording
I love how the cop told the manager hes mediating and has a solution even tho the guy had offered to move down a block before turning over his id.
The contempt that too many cops have for our constitutional liberty.
The 1A Auditor's playbook: act as obnoxiously as possible in public, then play victim, then sue.
Ever see how they cry and stomp their feet when they think _their_ rights have been violated? LOL. It's a sight to behold.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 They aren't _playing_ victim though. They have a right to be obnoxious within the bounds of the law, and when police violate that right, they _are_ the victim. They're auditing police response to legal activity.
Important thing to keep in mind for this one: It's not just the cops.
Someone called the cops here, they didn't materialize from the ether.
Small business tyrants hate your rights more than anyone else, even cops
How, as a Brit, do I know the law better then the people paid to enforce it?
because of a thing called qualified immunity. Cops get to be ignorant of the law while your expected to know all the laws.
bc theres literally an IQ cap for cops
Because most police get minimal training. In my state the academy is 600 hours, covering 7 major areas of training and multiple minor areas. Ignoring all the minor areas, thats only 85.7 hours of training for each of the 7 major areas of training. How much can you really learn in 86 hours?
They maintain their ignorance as a shield. Learning our rights only adds to their responsibilities so they don't.
US Supreme Court has granted these idiots Qualified Immunity...
I like this guy. He was saying the same stuff I was saying in my head. So you solicited a trespass was gold.
"One of those 1st Amendment guys..." Everyone needs to be ON NOTICE that if you exercise your constitutional rights you are an ENEMY to the cops.
U not supposed to excercise anything only listen obediently and keep your head down and obey 😂
Well sure, it's so much easier to be a police in a police state!
Amazing the stupidity of public officials.
do you expect anything else from cops these days
As soon as she said "this is their property" it was clear that he'd be earning a good amount of money that day.
Disgusting police.
14 minutes in, i love his "Can i have my ID back?"
How clueless are these cops?? Sheesh. And remind me to never go to this brewery. Why did he give up his ID?
"An alarming lack of knowledge" seems to be the modus operandi for all law enforcement in our country. If ignorance of the law is no excuse for a citizen, how much greater should that application be for ANY law officer or representative of our judicial system? End qualified immunity!
AbolishQualifiedImmunity
@lilitincher4973:
A.Q.I. !!!!
Intelligence has been chasing these cops, but the cops are always faster.
They detained their intelligence for officer safety 😂
This was an excellent analysis. The reason why Livingston is having a hard time finding an attorney who would be willing to file suit is because in order to prevail, Livingston would have to prove damages. Did the Officer violate Livingston's 4th amendment? Arguably yes, however, the violation was remedied when the Officer took no further action, therefore, Livingston suffered no damages. Courts view this as a "no harm no foul" situation. As a real world example, which is well settled law, if an Officer conducts an illegal search, and the Officer finds something (drugs, illegal weapons, etc...) but does not make the arrest, then the person suffered no damages, except for maybe forfeiting their illegal contraband. However, if that illegal search results in an arrest, then there are damages and the person would have a viable cause of action for Government violation of 4th Amendment rights.
"So I can stay here?" These cops are so, so weird.
INDOCTRINATION IS THE REASON, THEY ARE BRIAN DEAD VICTIMS, OF A DEVIL WORSHIPPERING GOVEN OVER YOU. SYSTEM.