@Gundgok the first Coordinator in the Cosmic Era is George Glenn read up on him there are files on wikia,wikipedia,Gundam info he is the one who first who told the whole world in a broadcast on his way to Jupiter he was not born in the world to natural birth but his genes were altered in the early stage of his development later on down the line he was probably assassinated by Murata Azrael's Blue Cosmos they were anti-coordinator that hated coordinators and wanted them extinct there tagline -for the preservation of our blue pure world
I hate all the Zeon Destiny clones so much, cause they have absolutely no in universe reason to exist. They're just cheap fanservice. I wish they had stuck to their original units.
@@TheJadeknight7 Exactly why i hate seed so much...to much generic clones and knockoffs...very few original models...plus i cant stand the characters haha.
@@jacobpdeleon2747 If you don't get it, I'm talking about some character said what @Joseph Jobo Licayan has said. In UC and CE, there are certain characters overconfidence with their MS, they got killed in the end. And I'm not talking about OG Gouf and Gouf Ignited.
The Cosmic Century Ginn is quite literally their version of the Zaku I. Granted that the Ginn in general is leagues more capable than the Zaku I but both are quite equally versatile.
Ehh, I disagree King. Zaku 1 has a great slim look without bells and whistles. The biggest thing that bothers me about the GINN is the ridiculous headfin, otherwise it's an alright design.
Top 10 development Histories 1)- Zeong 2)- Geara Zulu 3)- GN-X 4)- ALWAYS BULKY Zaku 3 5)- General Revil 6)- Sinanju & Sinanju Stein 7)- Every Amphibious machine from the original series 8)- Gelgoog 9)- Guncannon 10)- ReZEL
@@TheKing-qz9wd actually he hasn't yet, there a lot more to the Leo than what shown on TV. He has gone over the fact they are suppose to be top of the line mobile suit at the time of their deployment.
@@Dragonblade001, spec wise, they sure were flexible (easy for logistics since a Leo can fill MBT, artillery, Assault gun, AIR SUPERIORITY MS....) And they weren't shy on firepower either (Autocannons, Heavy Bazooka style artillery guns, Beam sabers, beam weapons, rocket launchers....) A pity they had to be made red shirt tier fodder and die in bulk
@@andrehashimoto8056 Yeah it sucks when all we see are them dying like red shirts. Heck I wrote a fan fiction awhile back trying to bring the up to how they are suppose to be in vs other mass produces MS. It went well until people began arguing that a Leo couldn't do that when it could spec wise.
Zeon : "who are you" ZAFT : "I'm you but have way more effective arsenals" Kinda joking but ZAFT's MS development seems way more competent than Zeon's in terms of effectiveness and "less variety"
@@Lelouchxzero1 Yeah. That's why they kinda got trounced by Dadgers and Windams second time around.... Windam especially is really kinda the pinnacle of standard grunt suits on paper that's woefully underutilized and somehow have inconsistent specs (supposed to have VPS, shown got blown up by CIWS and missiles sometimes)
@@ArchusKanzaki To be fair that's more of an animation issue. Destiny is a show that desperately needs movies to explain itself and fix all the inconsistencies. Definitely won't save all the issues but it would help.
Imagine how the one year war would've turned out much differently if ZAFT replaced Zeon and was fighting in defence against the Federation in the UC universe instead... how would things turned out differently throughout all the origin and original series then?. Instead of doing conquest like Zeon did originally: ZAFT is just fighting to be independent and for survival of the coordinators, like they did in their verse.
@@petermills3814 ZAFT take only a few territories but mostly are strategic and as if they try to cut off the sea routes and taking the mass drivers to prevent EA from sending reinforcements to Artemis and the Lunar base. Andrew's job at North Africa probably to prevent an attempt by EA to recapture Victoria mass driver. Carpentaria mostly to prevent them cross into the Pacific and Gilbraltar controls the Mediterrenean. Cutting the mass driver numbers means cutting down the reinforcements for Lunar base and ZAFT's plan was probably hit the moon in order to diminish Earth's space force thus beating them into submission. They took Nova and turn it into Boaz to deny the EA resources. Of course ZAFT would be spreading thin if they take more territories.
When the GINN Insurgent Type came up along with the Stargazer music, some reason it really pumps you up. When you hear stargazer music, you know shit is about to get real.
The Ceremonial Decoration Type's Rifle, and your remark on how anachronistic that seems, kinda reminds me of a passage in Richard Fox' Terran Armor Corps series. There, after running into enemies their normal, arm-mounted Gauss Weapons couldn't deal with, the Armor Corps is issued newly-designed, and handheld Mauser Heavy Rifles. A Character notes that it's hilarious that soldiers that pilot 15 foot tall mech suits, that are equipped with bleeding-edge Gauss Cannons and back-mounted Railguns that can blow *Capital Ships* out of the sky, need to use bolt-action rifles like it was World War 1. Though one questions why said character is surprised, since the same suits often use melee weapons like swords, shields, and lances in combat.
Its just between you and me, but Kakarot never really fan of 00 series. I believe he will eventually make 00 series video, but you can expect it not in our generation.
There's always one person in seed & seed destiny that has they're own custom mobile suit with orange color and always die s few episodes after they're shown. Plus they die the same way
@Shadow Bringer can we call ed the ripper a person that uses a orange color mobile suit i mean if u look at his history the sword calamity is the only orange mobile suit he has and the other mobile suit just had other colors he has are not orange just saying tho
Awesome vid as always! Cant wait for the HMT. One word of note, I think you should include the CGUE on the next part as that line is pretty sparse (im sure you already know theres ony 3) and is very much closely related to the Ginn. Like the relationship of the UC Zaku and Zaku Commander (in which the CGUE is supposed to have that role), it does makes sense to say the CGUE is an extension of the Ginn line. However, if you do have plans to compile all the other minor ZAFT MS lines into one whole video, that it would make more sense for the CGUE to be there. Keep up the great lore content Kakarot!
@@echos5823 Ah I was talking about role in the plot, not the actual story behind it, sorry about that. But yes, the CGUE was meant to replace thr GINN but the GUAIZ found more favor even before the seizing of the G Project Gubdams. So at the end of the day, the CGUE did well, it was just too late for its chance in the spotlight.
Okay. Something I have never done before but I really want to do. Taking notes of particular parts of the video. So Enjoy! 0:43 - Huh. I had forgotten about that... and nice guess about its model number... 1:41 - Woah. Never saw those Proto-GINNs during that scene. I really need to watch the series again... 1:49 - Huh. Interesting tidbit about the backpacks on those Worker Proto-GINNs... 2:50 - One minor nitpick. Halberton was only a Commodore during that time. And was part of Fourth Fleet if I recall the official timeline correctly. 3:00 - Wait, what? I think it was Five Moebius to One GINN? 4:18 - Blink. Oh. Never even noticed that Sniper Rifle Carrying GINN before? I really, really need to pay attention to the background of what is going on when I rewatch the series..., 5:40 - Huh. First time I have seen a colored lineart for Rau's custom GINN... 6:02 - You forgot to mention the custom-built guns used by Madigan with all of his mobile suits. 8:00 - An interesting tidbit is that Gai pretty much carries those Knives onto many of the Blue Frame configurations. 8:50 - I have heard a claim that there was more then one Insurgent Type GINN since there were other similiar attacks happening during the aftermath of the Break the World 9:40 - Ha. Took me a moment to remember where this variant happens to be from! This variant is only seen in a couple of pages of the first or second Astray R Manga. That is it! 10:20 - LOL! So true! I have called this GINN that a couple of times! 10:40 - Ah! The Worker GINN I had always assumed that this mobile suit was also used by ZAFT but it has only been recently that I have informed that it was an all-out Junk Guild machine. Mainly thanks to it retaining the regular GINN's model number. Also one side note you should have mentioned the double hand/armed type seen in the X Astray Manga. 12:15 - Huh. That is an interesting piece of colored lineart for the Cermonial Type GINN. Never seen it before... Also. Huh. Never noticed that shield-like attachment to left side of the backpack... An interesting touch. 12:52 - I really do not think that is actually real oak but some sort of imitation. Oh.... I cannont wait to see the next video of this series. Still I had some fun going through this video and taking these notes. Thanks Kakarot for the video!
So Vair's GINN is basically the Cosmic Era version of Johnny Ridden's HMT Zaku. I like the references that the Cosmic Era gives to it's UC counterparts.
I almost want to see a Gundam series where all the weapons are just pre-WW1 style single shot guns. All the Mook Mechs with bolt-action and lever-action rifles while the Gundam's op weapon is just straight up a giant Maxim.
Yes, I've been waiting for this. As awesome as the Zakus are I like the Ginns more since it fits the showbetter. The Zakus are so synonymous to the UC that it looks weird and sometimes doesn't feel like it fits the Cosmic Era.
The GINN is already the Zaku of Cosmic Era. That ZAKU Warrior torso design should've been given to the GINN as an upgrade. Also GuAIZ series should be staple in GSD. In that way, I think it could give Cosmic Era more identity and originality.
Thanks to your video about the dagger development history, i was able to complete my dagger variation customs, now, we're going to get the ginn variations done next .
Really interesting how the Ginn has similar design and history to the Zaku I and II, though I’m not sure if it’s intentionally a reference to the Universal Century timeline or just a copy. Regardless, it’s another great Development History video and can’t wait for part 2!
Literally all the mass production suits in Seed and Destiny is a reference to an MS from UC in terms of role and design, and sometimes both from different designs as well (ex, BABI where it acts like an Asshimar but transforms like a Hambrabi). Exceptions to this would be the M1 Astray to an extent. The Gundam types are the most unique MS designs of both Seed & Destiny.
They should've use the ZAKU Warrior torso design as upgrade and call it GINN II as a nod to UC's Zaku II and have it perform like Miguel's custom GINN.
Hay I remembered something that would explain how zeon aces had more ms kills then ball and GMs that where built in OYW. I know that's a old video and nothing to do with this but I thought you want to know. In ms igloo the show feddies using stolen zakus. And lots of times the federation officers mention captured or recovered zakus for reserch so it was something the feddies did on mass may be even standard practice but without decated training for ms pilots many of the zakus they stole where shot down adding to zeon ace kill count.
I really like this series you have worked on. Great job digging up all the info to make an informative video. I would like to see a video on the Gaza C and D, maybe the Bawoo from ZZ. Also, The Barzam as I know basically nothing about it The Methuss and Hambrabi also from Zeta would be cool too. Maybe the Rick Dias too, it was in so many episodes and I don't know where it came from, always looked like a Dom painted red, but performed SOOO much better.
I'd love the ginn if it wasn't for the stupidly large head finn. Everything else looks great but if it wasn't for that it'd be my favorite AU grunt suit, which is the Leo
@@gravefox4206 Yeah, I really like all the equipment that the Leo can use. Really does feel like you don't really need that many specialty suits when the Leo can literally just do it all.
The PLANT colonies are specialized in their respective roles so the oaks must've been grown in colonies that specialized in biological sciences and agriculture. Heard the leather are lab grown.
Yet EA uses BULLPUPS with regular ammo where they should've use the caseless ammo pulse rifle! If only I have a knack for building kits, I would've make a custom build Buster Gundam, as a Colonial Marine M56 Smartgun gunner complete with USCMC camo schemes.
@@Joshua_N-A I do not mind them using bullpups, but I consider i to be illogical that they are using cased ammo. Caseless ammo saves nearly 60% in materials and the Cordinaters are supposed to be artificially enhanced, and highly intelligent humans. If they could make a weapon that can deliver the same amount of damage down range and reduce the materials expended, I think they would take that route. In seed MS's are supposed to be a highly efficient and versatile weapon platform.
@@johnsmithfakename8422 the GINN's standard rifle would've been caseless as well so are the other weapons that use propellant. PLANT's resources is limited so they had to capture a Republic of East Asia's resource satellite which later become Boaz. ZAFT's infantry basic training would be using firearm replicas with very realistic recoil, a high-end airsoft kind of thing and VR training. Yeah, Coordinators is supposed to be artificially enhanced humans and would have no problem in real combat after spending most of the time training in simulators. Had they all use caseless, people getting hit by spent casings would be avoided. You don't wanna be near a mobile suit with those falling down on you. In every Gundam media I saw, caseless ammo is nearly non-existent and Gundam 00 did feature caseless firearms carried by the pilots. But still, the ships aren't FTL capable like the Conestoga-class unfortunately and still hasn't any Gundam that set on an exoplanet, away from the Solar System.
One minor thing. Despite its power, GINN is essentially a glorified Power Loader in the term of hardware. EA has no trouble repair a GINN salvaged from battlefield because there's nothing special in its construction. The trick is its OS, which require Coordinator's super ability to handle it effectively enough in a fight.
its not so much diffrent from real world tech we use. like when america sells off its old jets they remove most of the equipment exclusive to the US only leaving baseline stuff like a standard radar and controls anything else is striped before being sent away.
The GINN's designation and name gives a lot of Soviet Easter Eggs if you ask me. GINN if turned backwards would be MiG, as the M in MiG's logo is like NN 1017 is pronounced 10-17 in both English and Japanese dubs, 10 is for October, 17 is for 1917, which is the October Revolution
@@echos5823 Not to mention, their economic system is very Communiststic and collectivist. Junius Seven was targeted as it is an agricultural collective, also known as Kolkhozy in Russian. Not to mention their original uniforms are eerily close to that of the Soviet uniforms.
@@Selvariabell considering SEED was ment to be a sort of reboot of OG gundam it doesnt surprise me that they kinda swapped influences as well and lets be honest the earth alliance (OMNI) does act ALOT like Germany WWII honestly SEED you really cant tell alot who you should be cheering for lol
Hey Kakarot hope you remember me. I love all Gundam but Gundam seed is my favorite because I loved how it showed for the first time how two best friends would end up in opposite sides of a war. I’m a huge student of history especially civil war history and you know there are many stories of best friends against each other and even brothers so I thought it was an interesting take plus the fight against racism behind it all and how hating someone because they are different is wrong I also love how rnaturals end up hating their own creations coordinators and the psychological take on them trying to wipe them out I don’t know the story was great when viewed in those perameters plus Rau was one of the best bad guys seen in a while, wanted to end humanity because of how humanity is even in this day in age. Amazing. I also enjoyed the mobile suits created for this anime I don’t know simple but complex at the same time.
Gai's Ginn armor schneider is quite different than those used by strike and impulse, its non foldable. I think these are the same blades that Gai attached on the hip of Astray Blue Frame 2nd L.
Great work, I have to ask though do you ever plan to do a video on how Zeon, and ZAFT would do against the other as all I hear is ZAFT wins. I feel you could give this a good review.
I see Zeon influencing ZAFT and neutral parties for complete spacenoids liberation; by sending assassins to kill Clyne and his moderates and Zala and his coordinator supremacist and coordinate with L4 and L2 to liberate themselves from Earth completely! I see the dropping of Junius seven; something done much earlier than later in SD, as well as other dead colonies in L4 and L1! Their would be pro-spacenoid junk guild and others that will help them. And Zeon will aide them by crushing OMNI moon bases and naval yards! Maybe even taken captive their Newtype pilots and creating cyber newtypes in the cosmic era with available genetic or surgical/chemical enhancements! So that both naturals and coordinators are able to utilize Dragoon’s and other high maneuverable MS and true MA! As OMNI was responsible for most the destruction done in space and accuse it on ZAFT over the media- blame LOGOS for that! I see allot of support in the cosmic era for complete and total liberation from the Earth sponsor nations, as they’re corrupt and tyrannical- several times worst than the EFF! This is just the moderate Earth sponsor nations government’s reaction to colonist in space. Almost all will side with Zeon, most people living in PLANT and within ZAFT will side with Zeon; Turning their hubs against both supremacists and pacifist moderates! As even Shaku’s family side would side to Zeon and their G-project secretes for them and Artemis and Boaz as gift for the principality! Which will put a sword onto blue cosmos, by telling them; you want to nuke coordinators to extinction and threaten the lives of spacenoids regardless of genetic origin! Then you deserve colony drops as payback! Which will end into an Antarctic treaty that bans nuclear weapons and colony drops; giving spacenoid the edge and using N-jammers as a tactical use weapon over a strategical nightmare on Earth. Because almost everyone uses nuclear fission energy as a power source! Zeon introduces nuclear fusion to their allies, and N-jammers as a defense measure. They’re powered by a cleaner nuclear energy that is several times more efficient than fission and as added bonus it’s not affected by N-jammers, as it doesn’t use free neutrons as energy!
Wait, those ceremonial rifles are made of wood, and not wood-pattern-painted steel? Wood. In space. Jesus, I wonder if the PLANTS had to dedicate some serious arboretum space for that sort of thing.
The Fuego and its counterpart remind me of the Zaku Tank and the Dra-C from Universal Century when they came up in this video. Couldn't help but notice the resemblance and its combat uses.
Contradiction on ZAFT, they said that the organization wasn’t a full regimental military, but all volunteered milita force. Then became a contradiction with full military organization. I thought all ZAFT troops were equals? Officers and enlisted seem like a regulated military thing like Orb or OMNI? I get that ZAFT was going through a transition phase?
Some militias do become a full-fledged military organization after independence. Take Israel's Haganah for example. Formed out of previous existing militias to defend their land and then become IDF after 1948. I think ZAFT was halfway between the two between CE 69 to CE 72 and each 12 PLANT colonies are self-governed settlements themselves so there are various militia groups forming ZAFT. Interestingly, they keep the colour rank system in CE 73.
Is weird that I find the ceremonial type my favorite? Just the idea of making fully operational suits for parade is quite amusing and fascinating to me. I wonder how many other suits were made for the same purpose across the franchise.
The GINN will always be my favorite grunt mobile suit, I don't count the Gouf or its variants cause those all end up as commander special units. The moment I got my copy of SD Gundam Cross Rays I made sure I got one asap to have my custom character using and kept developing it so I could utilize all its variants....ESPECIALLY the High Maneuver Types.
Ginn design are really good and I can say they are perfect. You just want to buy more of them to have a squad. I wonder the OMNI have some captured Ginn like zakus that used by EF in UC time line.
I found out that their name Ginn is a play on the word Jinn, the Arabic word of genie, you know the magic lamp and wish granting ones, not sure what that is meant so symbolize, they are killer genies?
This doesn't make sense. Why would ZAFT sell their Ginn to civilians when the its still being used in the ZAFT army? The technology, I'm assuming, is classified. If sold to civilians, there would be a massive chance the Earth Alliance could get their hands on a Ginn, and copy the technology. The whole reason ZAFT is able to beat back the larger EA military is because of mobile suit technology. ZAFT sharing that would ruin their advantage.
I like how the Ginn resemble more regal variants of the Zaku with their head fins and angelic wings, its unfortunate that they were introduced in a series where generally only gundams stood a chance in hell of defeating, well, other gundams lol.
Patrick Zala was born in Atlantic Federation, the most anti-Coordinator nation on Earth. So persecution made him engulfed by hatred and grudge and Lenore's death just push him off the already slippery edge meanwhile Siegel Clyne is from a neutral nation, where Coordinators and Naturals can co-exist. Siegel represents the moderate faction while Patrick represents the radical extremist faction. Lacus made everything from bad to worse I think but Kira wouldn't have a new machine to save Archangel. Of course, ZAFT was formed to defend PLANT.
About tanks, we have The Cheiftain.
About navies, we have Drachinifel.
About mobile suit, we have Karkarot197.
We also have that Jap UA-camr who puts english subtitles for overseas viewers.
Red custom piloted by an ace, took down an entire federation fleet and deserted the army, Char?
So, he cross the dimension and timeline to flex on his pilot skill.
Now if only we could get Seed The Origin....
@@JeanLucCaptain
It's the story of first coordinator.
@@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs Damn right!
@Gundgok the first Coordinator in the Cosmic Era is George Glenn read up on him there are files on wikia,wikipedia,Gundam info he is the one who first who told the whole world in a broadcast on his way to Jupiter he was not born in the world to natural birth but his genes were altered in the early stage of his development later on down the line he was probably assassinated by Murata Azrael's Blue Cosmos they were anti-coordinator that hated coordinators and wanted them extinct there tagline -for the preservation of our blue pure world
I read that as "Gin development history" and didn't see the thumbnail so I thought you were just gonna talk about alcohol for 14 minutes
April fools joke idea
Not gonna lie, I'd still watch it
Now I'm picturing some weird How to Drink/Kakarot197 crossover.
Aint gonna lie I would watch the history of gin
History channel did the "history of gin" great stuff - knowledgeable and delicious.
There’s something special about the GINN’s design compared to other AU Zaku clones.
I hate all the Zeon Destiny clones so much, cause they have absolutely no in universe reason to exist. They're just cheap fanservice. I wish they had stuck to their original units.
@@TheJadeknight7 Exactly why i hate seed so much...to much generic clones and knockoffs...very few original models...plus i cant stand the characters haha.
@@TheJadeknight7 I HARD agree with this, I hate all three of them with a burning passion
Yeah i can understand the dagger series somewhat but they could have changed the designs to look more mook like.
I agree, but I personally love the Tieren.
Another fun fact about the Ceremonial Ginn, the wood for its stock was artificially grown, as was the _real leather_ sling attached to it.
Huh. Where did you hear that?
@@robertdrexel2043 I read it on the Wiki.
That's a lot of cattle.
Guess the PLANTS has decent protein up there.
History of the ZGMF-1017, uploaded at 17 October. Huh.
Laughs. Holy crap! I didn't even notice that!!!
This coincidence though.
*Coincidence?*
Good timing.
Me: Kakarot, Can you do a development history of the Geara Zulu
Kakarot: sure
Kakarot on the inside: Angelo will never stop haunting me
Lol Kakarot has PTSD from him along with anyone who saw the OVA including me
Me: "So are you a Zaku?"
Ginn: "Yes but no Zaku boy no Zaku."
No. Bad gundam fan. Only the Gouf can say that
@@GojiraFan-in9oo wrong only Romba Ral can say that lol
@@stewardgilbert8823 and thus the gouf should be able to say so too
I see the GINN, and I am a happy boy looking at a mobile suit angel of war.
I see the GINN assault type, and I am somehow even happier.
When I first saw Ginn, I thought it was the Seed version of Zaku
But then I watch Seed Destiny
Though it’s head look very similar to a gelgoog!
Though a GINN functions more like a Hizack!
This is no Zaku, boy! NO ZAKU!
@@JosephJoboLicayan
So, it's ZGMF-2000 Gouf Ignited or the UC one? Who cares, both of them died anyway.
@@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs Are you implying that The UC And CE Gouf are individuals thatare living biological weapons?
@@jacobpdeleon2747
If you don't get it, I'm talking about some character said what @Joseph Jobo Licayan has said.
In UC and CE, there are certain characters overconfidence with their MS, they got killed in the end.
And I'm not talking about OG Gouf and Gouf Ignited.
The Cosmic Century Ginn is quite literally their version of the Zaku I. Granted that the Ginn in general is leagues more capable than the Zaku I but both are quite equally versatile.
This is extremely true.
It also looks cooler than the Zaku 1.
@Angel Alvarado
Were the art styles really that different?
I guess if you go retro then the GINN would look rounder.
Ehh, I disagree King. Zaku 1 has a great slim look without bells and whistles. The biggest thing that bothers me about the GINN is the ridiculous headfin, otherwise it's an alright design.
@@zerogravy7446
Ok?
@@TheKing-qz9wd What? You gave an opinion, I responded with mine. Nothing else to it.
Top 10 development Histories
1)- Zeong
2)- Geara Zulu
3)- GN-X
4)- ALWAYS BULKY Zaku 3
5)- General Revil
6)- Sinanju & Sinanju Stein
7)- Every Amphibious machine from the original series
8)- Gelgoog
9)- Guncannon
10)- ReZEL
GM?
@@NebDaBrush That would just be kakarot going every time a gm got wiped out.
@@GojiraFan-in9oo pretty much sadly
@@GojiraFan-in9oo Oh, and I wanted to ask you about number 5?
Zakurello devt history please ^_^
im not into SEED that much
but i really really like their original grunts like GINN or CGUE, there's something aesthetic and beautiful about them
GuAIZ is my favourite especially the R variant.
Space samurais turned up to 11.
The GINN needed Moar Dakka. That's why the Assault Shroud was developed.
Great now imagine an looted ginn in ork colours
@@LordRyan9999
That would be a sad day.
@@TheKing-qz9wd i assume uz aint fan of bein' orky
@@LordRyan9999
No, green skin xeno, I do not.
I will take it in Blood Angel colors.
OI QUIT YA JABBIN AND GIT STABIN!
Now we're talking. Think you can do the Leo, Daughtress, Dom and possibly Zanscare Mobile Suits next?
I think he might have already done the Leo?
@@TheKing-qz9wd actually he hasn't yet, there a lot more to the Leo than what shown on TV. He has gone over the fact they are suppose to be top of the line mobile suit at the time of their deployment.
@@Dragonblade001
Well that's good to know.
@@Dragonblade001, spec wise, they sure were flexible (easy for logistics since a Leo can fill MBT, artillery, Assault gun, AIR SUPERIORITY MS....) And they weren't shy on firepower either (Autocannons, Heavy Bazooka style artillery guns, Beam sabers, beam weapons, rocket launchers....)
A pity they had to be made red shirt tier fodder and die in bulk
@@andrehashimoto8056 Yeah it sucks when all we see are them dying like red shirts. Heck I wrote a fan fiction awhile back trying to bring the up to how they are suppose to be in vs other mass produces MS. It went well until people began arguing that a Leo couldn't do that when it could spec wise.
10:57 - "The most common upgrades were [...] and a wench on the crotch."
Can confirm. 10 / 10 best upgrade, would purchase again.
This mobile suit literally has it's junk hanging free. That's confidence right there.
Zeon : "who are you"
ZAFT : "I'm you but have way more effective arsenals"
Kinda joking but ZAFT's MS development seems way more competent than Zeon's in terms of effectiveness and "less variety"
Then Zaft goes and uses literal zakus and goufs
@@Lelouchxzero1 Yeah. That's why they kinda got trounced by Dadgers and Windams second time around.... Windam especially is really kinda the pinnacle of standard grunt suits on paper that's woefully underutilized and somehow have inconsistent specs (supposed to have VPS, shown got blown up by CIWS and missiles sometimes)
@@ArchusKanzaki To be fair that's more of an animation issue. Destiny is a show that desperately needs movies to explain itself and fix all the inconsistencies. Definitely won't save all the issues but it would help.
Imagine how the one year war would've turned out much differently if ZAFT replaced Zeon and was fighting in defence against the Federation in the UC universe instead... how would things turned out differently throughout all the origin and original series then?.
Instead of doing conquest like Zeon did originally: ZAFT is just fighting to be independent and for survival of the coordinators, like they did in their verse.
@@petermills3814 ZAFT take only a few territories but mostly are strategic and as if they try to cut off the sea routes and taking the mass drivers to prevent EA from sending reinforcements to Artemis and the Lunar base. Andrew's job at North Africa probably to prevent an attempt by EA to recapture Victoria mass driver. Carpentaria mostly to prevent them cross into the Pacific and Gilbraltar controls the Mediterrenean. Cutting the mass driver numbers means cutting down the reinforcements for Lunar base and ZAFT's plan was probably hit the moon in order to diminish Earth's space force thus beating them into submission. They took Nova and turn it into Boaz to deny the EA resources. Of course ZAFT would be spreading thin if they take more territories.
When the GINN Insurgent Type came up along with the Stargazer music, some reason it really pumps you up. When you hear stargazer music, you know shit is about to get real.
The Ceremonial Decoration Type's Rifle, and your remark on how anachronistic that seems, kinda reminds me of a passage in Richard Fox' Terran Armor Corps series. There, after running into enemies their normal, arm-mounted Gauss Weapons couldn't deal with, the Armor Corps is issued newly-designed, and handheld Mauser Heavy Rifles. A Character notes that it's hilarious that soldiers that pilot 15 foot tall mech suits, that are equipped with bleeding-edge Gauss Cannons and back-mounted Railguns that can blow *Capital Ships* out of the sky, need to use bolt-action rifles like it was World War 1.
Though one questions why said character is surprised, since the same suits often use melee weapons like swords, shields, and lances in combat.
Yeah, there is a clear large gap between the power loaders and the Proto-GINN which I doubt will ever be filled. I hate that thought.
I love the GINN it has been my favorite grunt suit for years and i wish it got more love in video games.
The GINN looks like a Zaku 1 mixed with a zudah in my opinion
@Shadow Bringer Plenty of G-Saviour elements seeped into SEED
@@teslashark whats sad is the G-Saviour games are more well respected then the movie lol
9:51 that's nice dear, make sure your are back before 9, you do have school tomorrow.
i dont see how you dont have more subs these vids are so well made and i dont think there is anyone else on youtube doing anything like them
So Gai's Ginn is basically a Kampfer then?
Yes yes it is
I hope we get a development history on the GN-X
The best grunt suit
It needed Moar Dakka, though.
Its just between you and me, but Kakarot never really fan of 00 series. I believe he will eventually make 00 series video, but you can expect it not in our generation.
My favourite of all. The GN-X. Slash Zaku Phantom. Gaera Zulu. Zee Zulu. And least favourite is Dom.
Technically Grunts but at the same time, sorta' Ace unit prototypes.
8:25 I was just thinking "And buildings in general" and then you started talking about the exact ginn I was thinking of.
i guess those ''patrick zala was on the correct path'' guys will be coming in the next part, then.
There's always one person in seed & seed destiny that has they're own custom mobile suit with orange color and always die s few episodes after they're shown.
Plus they die the same way
@Shadow Bringer can we call ed the ripper a person that uses a orange color mobile suit i mean if u look at his history the sword calamity is the only orange mobile suit he has and the other mobile suit just had other colors he has are not orange just saying tho
Awesome vid as always! Cant wait for the HMT.
One word of note, I think you should include the CGUE on the next part as that line is pretty sparse (im sure you already know theres ony 3) and is very much closely related to the Ginn. Like the relationship of the UC Zaku and Zaku Commander (in which the CGUE is supposed to have that role), it does makes sense to say the CGUE is an extension of the Ginn line. However, if you do have plans to compile all the other minor ZAFT MS lines into one whole video, that it would make more sense for the CGUE to be there.
Keep up the great lore content Kakarot!
@@echos5823 Ah I was talking about role in the plot, not the actual story behind it, sorry about that. But yes, the CGUE was meant to replace thr GINN but the GUAIZ found more favor even before the seizing of the G Project Gubdams. So at the end of the day, the CGUE did well, it was just too late for its chance in the spotlight.
Holy shit, how many trees did that Ceremonial Dress Ginn's rifle take you think? That things gotta be the size of a CAR.
@@echos5823 Right, this is the PLANTS we're talking about here isnt it.
@@echos5823 Makes sense, you can rapidly grow skin in-vat, we do that ourselves today to make skin grafts.
Been waiting for this video since you did the Strike Dagger and the Murasame Development History vids! Sweet!
Okay. Something I have never done before but I really want to do. Taking notes of particular parts of the video. So Enjoy!
0:43 - Huh. I had forgotten about that... and nice guess about its model number...
1:41 - Woah. Never saw those Proto-GINNs during that scene. I really need to watch the series again...
1:49 - Huh. Interesting tidbit about the backpacks on those Worker Proto-GINNs...
2:50 - One minor nitpick. Halberton was only a Commodore during that time. And was part of Fourth Fleet if I recall the official timeline correctly.
3:00 - Wait, what? I think it was Five Moebius to One GINN?
4:18 - Blink. Oh. Never even noticed that Sniper Rifle Carrying GINN before? I really, really need to pay attention to the background of what is going on when I rewatch the series...,
5:40 - Huh. First time I have seen a colored lineart for Rau's custom GINN...
6:02 - You forgot to mention the custom-built guns used by Madigan with all of his mobile suits.
8:00 - An interesting tidbit is that Gai pretty much carries those Knives onto many of the Blue Frame configurations.
8:50 - I have heard a claim that there was more then one Insurgent Type GINN since there were other similiar attacks happening during the aftermath of the Break the World
9:40 - Ha. Took me a moment to remember where this variant happens to be from! This variant is only seen in a couple of pages of the first or second Astray R Manga. That is it!
10:20 - LOL! So true! I have called this GINN that a couple of times!
10:40 - Ah! The Worker GINN I had always assumed that this mobile suit was also used by ZAFT but it has only been recently that I have informed that it was an all-out Junk Guild machine. Mainly thanks to it retaining the regular GINN's model number. Also one side note you should have mentioned the double hand/armed type seen in the X Astray Manga.
12:15 - Huh. That is an interesting piece of colored lineart for the Cermonial Type GINN. Never seen it before... Also. Huh. Never noticed that shield-like attachment to left side of the backpack... An interesting touch.
12:52 - I really do not think that is actually real oak but some sort of imitation.
Oh.... I cannont wait to see the next video of this series. Still I had some fun going through this video and taking these notes. Thanks Kakarot for the video!
And after seeing the Ceremonial Type, I have this strange need to see Sunrise do a Gundam series based on WW1.
So, another Turn A-type series.
So Vair's GINN is basically the Cosmic Era version of Johnny Ridden's HMT Zaku. I like the references that the Cosmic Era gives to it's UC counterparts.
I have been waiting for this video.
I almost want to see a Gundam series where all the weapons are just pre-WW1 style single shot guns. All the Mook Mechs with bolt-action and lever-action rifles while the Gundam's op weapon is just straight up a giant Maxim.
Yes, I've been waiting for this. As awesome as the Zakus are I like the Ginns more since it fits the showbetter. The Zakus are so synonymous to the UC that it looks weird and sometimes doesn't feel like it fits the Cosmic Era.
The GINN is already the Zaku of Cosmic Era. That ZAKU Warrior torso design should've been given to the GINN as an upgrade. Also GuAIZ series should be staple in GSD. In that way, I think it could give Cosmic Era more identity and originality.
B-but....what about the...the Gelgoog production timeline ToT
Thanks to your video about the dagger development history, i was able to complete my dagger variation customs,
now, we're going to get the ginn variations done next .
cant wait for a new RE or MG of these to fill out my Seed shelves!
i like the GINN but honestly even the basic model looks like it was from the get go ment as an ace unit granted most coordinators are XD
Really interesting how the Ginn has similar design and history to the Zaku I and II, though I’m not sure if it’s intentionally a reference to the Universal Century timeline or just a copy. Regardless, it’s another great Development History video and can’t wait for part 2!
Literally all the mass production suits in Seed and Destiny is a reference to an MS from UC in terms of role and design, and sometimes both from different designs as well (ex, BABI where it acts like an Asshimar but transforms like a Hambrabi). Exceptions to this would be the M1 Astray to an extent. The Gundam types are the most unique MS designs of both Seed & Destiny.
The CE also have their own Zaku which is Zaku Warrior and Zaku Phantom. The Ginn are more likely similar to Geara Doga or Geara Zulu.
They should've use the ZAKU Warrior torso design as upgrade and call it GINN II as a nod to UC's Zaku II and have it perform like Miguel's custom GINN.
I feel like armour schneider is a general term for small handheld blades used by mobile suits
I enjoy these videos very much.
Hay I remembered something that would explain how zeon aces had more ms kills then ball and GMs that where built in OYW. I know that's a old video and nothing to do with this but I thought you want to know. In ms igloo the show feddies using stolen zakus. And lots of times the federation officers mention captured or recovered zakus for reserch so it was something the feddies did on mass may be even standard practice but without decated training for ms pilots many of the zakus they stole where shot down adding to zeon ace kill count.
I really like this series you have worked on. Great job digging up all the info to make an informative video.
I would like to see a video on the Gaza C and D, maybe the Bawoo from ZZ.
Also, The Barzam as I know basically nothing about it
The Methuss and Hambrabi also from Zeta would be cool too. Maybe the Rick Dias too, it was in so many episodes and I don't know where it came from, always looked like a Dom painted red, but performed SOOO much better.
I'd love the ginn if it wasn't for the stupidly large head finn. Everything else looks great but if it wasn't for that it'd be my favorite AU grunt suit, which is the Leo
The Leo has eternally been my favorite grunt suit.
out of all grunt Suits the Leo holds firm to me mainly cause it feels American in design like it really looks like what we would use as a mobile suit.
@@gravefox4206 Yeah, I really like all the equipment that the Leo can use. Really does feel like you don't really need that many specialty suits when the Leo can literally just do it all.
Zaft soldiers: we r like samurais no shield or u coward. The Miguel that 1 Miguel guy: hold my beer
Ginns are probably my favorite Zaku clones out there, thanks for the vid!
Imo the GINN felt more original than the ZAKUs in GSD.
@@Joshua_N-A eh i feel like the ZAKU Warrior is more similar to the Hi-Zack
@@gravefox4206 except the Zaku warriors were actually good machines
I love the ginn's militaristic design nothing too fancy.
It had a hell of an arsenal
Proto Ginn with the mobile suit V8 backpack.
I just found something that will make Kakarot hate Angelo Sauper even more.
He killed an AlWaYs BuLkY ZaKu 3 with his Rozen Zulu in episode 7
Cant wait for part 2 ginn was always my favorite MS in seed and I'm a e.f.f fan I just something about the ginn click for me
Just want to mention that the oak in the stock of the rifle of the ceremonial type was artificially made specifically for that purpose in the PLANTS.
The PLANT colonies are specialized in their respective roles so the oaks must've been grown in colonies that specialized in biological sciences and agriculture. Heard the leather are lab grown.
@@Joshua_N-A Yeah, exactly.
You've done the Ginn, now the Zaft Zaku.
GM development history is a must. It's not a matter of if, but when...
"Based on the humble power loader worker suit." So xenomorphs exist in the SEED universe. I feel sorry for them.
Yet EA uses BULLPUPS with regular ammo where they should've use the caseless ammo pulse rifle! If only I have a knack for building kits, I would've make a custom build Buster Gundam, as a Colonial Marine M56 Smartgun gunner complete with USCMC camo schemes.
@@Joshua_N-A
I do not mind them using bullpups, but I consider i to be illogical that they are using cased ammo. Caseless ammo saves nearly 60% in materials and the Cordinaters are supposed to be artificially enhanced, and highly intelligent humans. If they could make a weapon that can deliver the same amount of damage down range and reduce the materials expended, I think they would take that route.
In seed MS's are supposed to be a highly efficient and versatile weapon platform.
@@johnsmithfakename8422 the GINN's standard rifle would've been caseless as well so are the other weapons that use propellant. PLANT's resources is limited so they had to capture a Republic of East Asia's resource satellite which later become Boaz. ZAFT's infantry basic training would be using firearm replicas with very realistic recoil, a high-end airsoft kind of thing and VR training. Yeah, Coordinators is supposed to be artificially enhanced humans and would have no problem in real combat after spending most of the time training in simulators. Had they all use caseless, people getting hit by spent casings would be avoided. You don't wanna be near a mobile suit with those falling down on you. In every Gundam media I saw, caseless ammo is nearly non-existent and Gundam 00 did feature caseless firearms carried by the pilots. But still, the ships aren't FTL capable like the Conestoga-class unfortunately and still hasn't any Gundam that set on an exoplanet, away from the Solar System.
Never liked the ginn or Gundam Seed, but these videos are so damn good that I get excited everytime I get the notification
One minor thing. Despite its power, GINN is essentially a glorified Power Loader in the term of hardware. EA has no trouble repair a GINN salvaged from battlefield because there's nothing special in its construction. The trick is its OS, which require Coordinator's super ability to handle it effectively enough in a fight.
its not so much diffrent from real world tech we use. like when america sells off its old jets they remove most of the equipment exclusive to the US only leaving baseline stuff like a standard radar and controls anything else is striped before being sent away.
Yes thank you for this!!
> The colour wasn't just for show
That reminds me of something!
As a big fan of the ginn, this made my day.
I love it when you post CE videos
I live for these development history videos
I'm being waiting so long for you to make this video
Nice, this is one of my favorite MS designs. I like the sword, first time I watch Gundam was CE and when it whipped out its sword I was like “nice!”
The GINN's designation and name gives a lot of Soviet Easter Eggs if you ask me.
GINN if turned backwards would be MiG, as the M in MiG's logo is like NN
1017 is pronounced 10-17 in both English and Japanese dubs, 10 is for October, 17 is for 1917, which is the October Revolution
@@echos5823 Not to mention, their economic system is very Communiststic and collectivist. Junius Seven was targeted as it is an agricultural collective, also known as Kolkhozy in Russian. Not to mention their original uniforms are eerily close to that of the Soviet uniforms.
@@Selvariabell considering SEED was ment to be a sort of reboot of OG gundam it doesnt surprise me that they kinda swapped influences as well and lets be honest the earth alliance (OMNI) does act ALOT like Germany WWII honestly SEED you really cant tell alot who you should be cheering for lol
@@gravefox4206 Earth Alliance is more close to NATO actually
9:34 metal
You should do a video on all of the “Gundams” of the One year war. Or the strongest Gundams of the one year war
Hey Kakarot hope you remember me. I love all Gundam but Gundam seed is my favorite because I loved how it showed for the first time how two best friends would end up in opposite sides of a war. I’m a huge student of history especially civil war history and you know there are many stories of best friends against each other and even brothers so I thought it was an interesting take plus the fight against racism behind it all and how hating someone because they are different is wrong I also love how rnaturals end up hating their own creations coordinators and the psychological take on them trying to wipe them out I don’t know the story was great when viewed in those perameters plus Rau was one of the best bad guys seen in a while, wanted to end humanity because of how humanity is even in this day in age. Amazing. I also enjoyed the mobile suits created for this anime I don’t know simple but complex at the same time.
Gai's Ginn armor schneider is quite different than those used by strike and impulse, its non foldable. I think these are the same blades that Gai attached on the hip of Astray Blue Frame 2nd L.
i think Armor Schneider is just the type name but there are probobly diffrent varients like the real life K-Bar
Great work, I have to ask though do you ever plan to do a video on how Zeon, and ZAFT would do against the other as all I hear is ZAFT wins. I feel you could give this a good review.
I see Zeon influencing ZAFT and neutral parties for complete spacenoids liberation; by sending assassins to kill Clyne and his moderates and Zala and his coordinator supremacist and coordinate with L4 and L2 to liberate themselves from Earth completely!
I see the dropping of Junius seven; something done much earlier than later in SD, as well as other dead colonies in L4 and L1! Their would be pro-spacenoid junk guild and others that will help them. And Zeon will aide them by crushing OMNI moon bases and naval yards! Maybe even taken captive their Newtype pilots and creating cyber newtypes in the cosmic era with available genetic or surgical/chemical enhancements! So that both naturals and coordinators are able to utilize Dragoon’s and other high maneuverable MS and true MA!
As OMNI was responsible for most the destruction done in space and accuse it on ZAFT over the media- blame LOGOS for that! I see allot of support in the cosmic era for complete and total liberation from the Earth sponsor nations, as they’re corrupt and tyrannical- several times worst than the EFF! This is just the moderate Earth sponsor nations government’s reaction to colonist in space. Almost all will side with Zeon, most people living in PLANT and within ZAFT will side with Zeon; Turning their hubs against both supremacists and pacifist moderates!
As even Shaku’s family side would side to Zeon and their G-project secretes for them and Artemis and Boaz as gift for the principality!
Which will put a sword onto blue cosmos, by telling them; you want to nuke coordinators to extinction and threaten the lives of spacenoids regardless of genetic origin! Then you deserve colony drops as payback! Which will end into an Antarctic treaty that bans nuclear weapons and colony drops; giving spacenoid the edge and using N-jammers as a tactical use weapon over a strategical nightmare on Earth. Because almost everyone uses nuclear fission energy as a power source!
Zeon introduces nuclear fusion to their allies, and N-jammers as a defense measure. They’re powered by a cleaner nuclear energy that is several times more efficient than fission and as added bonus it’s not affected by N-jammers, as it doesn’t use free neutrons as energy!
@@lordalpharius5928 It would be interesting to see something similar, but replace Zeon with the Earth Federation (around 0096 tech and weapons)
Wait, those ceremonial rifles are made of wood, and not wood-pattern-painted steel?
Wood. In space.
Jesus, I wonder if the PLANTS had to dedicate some serious arboretum space for that sort of thing.
The Fuego and its counterpart remind me of the Zaku Tank and the Dra-C from Universal Century when they came up in this video. Couldn't help but notice the resemblance and its combat uses.
My second favorite grunt unit, second only to the Leo from Wing.
Leo's for days
I like the Ginn's design a bit. Especially the Antenna crest. Reminds me of the feathers on the head of a cockatoo.
ZAFT engineer: ASSULT SHROUD everything
I guess my favourite Ginn High-Maneuver Type is on the next part?
Contradiction on ZAFT, they said that the organization wasn’t a full regimental military, but all volunteered milita force. Then became a contradiction with full military organization.
I thought all ZAFT troops were equals? Officers and enlisted seem like a regulated military thing like Orb or OMNI? I get that ZAFT was going through a transition phase?
Some militias do become a full-fledged military organization after independence. Take Israel's Haganah for example. Formed out of previous existing militias to defend their land and then become IDF after 1948. I think ZAFT was halfway between the two between CE 69 to CE 72 and each 12 PLANT colonies are self-governed settlements themselves so there are various militia groups forming ZAFT. Interestingly, they keep the colour rank system in CE 73.
Barrus Kai has it's own reactor??? On my Battery-Powered MS? REEEEE
Is weird that I find the ceremonial type my favorite? Just the idea of making fully operational suits for parade is quite amusing and fascinating to me. I wonder how many other suits were made for the same purpose across the franchise.
The GINN will always be my favorite grunt mobile suit, I don't count the Gouf or its variants cause those all end up as commander special units.
The moment I got my copy of SD Gundam Cross Rays I made sure I got one asap to have my custom character using and kept developing it so I could utilize all its variants....ESPECIALLY the High Maneuver Types.
Always love hearing Operations Room bgm!
A graze development history video would be pretty cool
>they called the prototype "Protoginn"
bad idea
BAD IDEA
Love the Zaku but the Ginn is always a nice alternative to pilot any day of the week.
Ginn design are really good and I can say they are perfect. You just want to buy more of them to have a squad. I wonder the OMNI have some captured Ginn like zakus that used by EF in UC time line.
I would 110% use that ceremonial rifle for a custom MS, it would be humiliating for the enemy and spark incredible stories
Robo wars fans will know what im talking about, but this thing has raftlclans vibe all over it, maybe zaft got some templar knights intel...
To be fair if the for the ceremonial gun that big, even blank should be able to do some damage just to the sheer size the bullet would have been.
I'm always going to see Ginns as just Zakus with flairs attached.
3:39
Bandai
We want this Tempester
now i want more i loved it
Not gonna lie I think gundam seed has some of the best mobile suits designs
Now that Bandai has released there image of there first Ginn lets hope we get several variations in MG form.
I found out that their name Ginn is a play on the word Jinn, the Arabic word of genie, you know the magic lamp and wish granting ones, not sure what that is meant so symbolize, they are killer genies?
I think Zaft's MS names doesn't mean anything (except their Gundams), and they sounds weird too
ahh my fav MS
This doesn't make sense. Why would ZAFT sell their Ginn to civilians when the its still being used in the ZAFT army? The technology, I'm assuming, is classified. If sold to civilians, there would be a massive chance the Earth Alliance could get their hands on a Ginn, and copy the technology. The whole reason ZAFT is able to beat back the larger EA military is because of mobile suit technology. ZAFT sharing that would ruin their advantage.
I like how the Ginn resemble more regal variants of the Zaku with their head fins and angelic wings, its unfortunate that they were introduced in a series where generally only gundams stood a chance in hell of defeating, well, other gundams lol.
Zaft did nothing wrong.. Except near the end but I blame the writers on that.
Patrick Zala was born in Atlantic Federation, the most anti-Coordinator nation on Earth. So persecution made him engulfed by hatred and grudge and Lenore's death just push him off the already slippery edge meanwhile Siegel Clyne is from a neutral nation, where Coordinators and Naturals can co-exist. Siegel represents the moderate faction while Patrick represents the radical extremist faction. Lacus made everything from bad to worse I think but Kira wouldn't have a new machine to save Archangel. Of course, ZAFT was formed to defend PLANT.