IS IT BAD NEWS FOR THE PEUGEOT RCZ ??? OR AN EASY FIX ???
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The comments section is an absolute *goldmine* of information. You learn something new everyday. Well done to everyone that contributed with the solution. 👍
To be honest I haven't got as much experience as these guys but that sound didn't ever sound like a crankshaft noise to me, big end noise sounds deep and satisfying, the noise sounded like a much higher frequency however the sound recorded by a video camera and often the paint colour recorded by a video camera is often totally different to the actual perception of the individual viewing a live situation. There could be a lessen there. Record the sound of an engine aka the sound filtered out by an electronic device there might be clues there.
Wow , just goes to show , it's not
what you think..... & that kinda
" pisses me off " because alot
of older people drive small cars
& get charged a few grand for
something that is not , thanks
to the viewers people now could
think differently as in more options
I feel sorry for the victims out there.
Guys bloody great video another
Win for the people. 😂
I concur with you Mr Watson
The noise is caused by sections of the auxiliary belt missing causing the actuator wheel to jump about. If you had run it up with the wheel arch liner out the way you would of seen it. Do at least 1 of these a week at the moment it seems.
Great outcome lads! The shocking truth is though, that some poor trusting Peugeot customers are shelling out £4000 to have a new engine fitted!
All that so the engine can warm up 2 minutes faster? The only thing that makes any sense to me is that Peugeot needed the engine up to operating temperature and on closed-loop control as fast as possible to comply with emissions regulations.
What a cracking result lads. 10 out of 10 for the folk who knew what the fault was 👏👏👏👏
It doesn't say much for the technicians that said the engines gone, does it?
They certainly didn't do any checks.
When Chris pulled that cord I expected to hear "Action Man patrol forward!"
I can't help but think of the previous owner. Big ends gone at 73K? Unlikely if it's been cared for. They've lost $Ks due to misdiagnosis. I feel for them.
I agree, as in I feel sorry for the previous owner, but to be fair a lot of modern Peugeot engines crap themselves prematurely, so is not unheard of.
How many people have been hit with massive engine replacement bills when they only needed £150 + labour. Crazy design. Great result for you guys and you took a risk. The new music is so much better, thanks. Love the channel lads 👍
Can't help but wonder if that "garage" was looking at making a pretty penny on that "new engine".
How funny I did one today at work.
The bath plug tensioner as I know it , no fecking room on the mini to get your hands in🤦♂️. I would avoid the garage that suggested a new engine. Disgraceful 😡
That belt had a chunk out of it. Every time it would go past the "Tension-er/Enabler Thing-a-ma-ginger" it would bounce the wheel against the waterpump wheel and make the noise! I would bet that all that car really needed was a new serpentine belt!
Even the number plates say Peugeot Sucks :)
The past owner is briefing a lawyer to sue their old mechanic after watching this video! LOLZ
I've been in the trade for 30 odd years and seen some crazy ideas but this ranks as one of the most over complicated solutions for a problem that doesnt exist I've ever come across. Nuts.
The French are known for their over engineering ,especially when it comes to cars. They take pride in being "different "...
A solution looking for a problem
Dose not say much about the garage that said new engine, only not to use that garage!
You're spot on when you said you can't know everything, the most worrying thing is that another garage said it needed a new engine. How can this happen so often? How many very good cars a scrapped through misdiagnosis? That Aldi TT, sorry I mean Peugeot is a good reason to find a good local automotive engineer, not a big garage with lots of fitters and give them all your business. Thanks as always, Jon.
Even the number plate says PE60 SUX- Peugeot sucks LOL
I have said it many times on here, I am 'old school' but I was in the 'big end' camp. I think you were right Rob, it was just a mistake. At least the little man can have a rest now! I bet he went home and watched the Jubilee! Thanks Rob and Chris for an interesting video once again. Thanks to all the subscribers who made the right call, well done all.
Nice win lads, had exactly same noise on a mini it was the belt itself had bits missing on the ribs causing the pump driver to clatter like big ends, new belt fitted job done 👌
old owner must be gutted watching this - well done chaps
Rob said, He’s ok he was offered the car before the video went out
Sorry guys only got half a tank we thought it was full....but Chris lawnmower be running for few weeks for free 😉
Is that a private plate, guys? I reckon an accountant boss would pay good money for that!
Makes me wonder how many of them have been scraped just cos of that
No wonder there isn’t many about !!! I bet a few have gone over the bridge thinking the bottom end had gone 🤦♂️
Wow Chris finding out something new about auto’s, there’s hope for little old me yet, my sons 1.2 Clio was putting oil out as quickly as I was putting it in, cracked sump I thought took it to the mechanic who looks after me and it was the oil pump housing, so looks like I’ll stick to doing my crossword at least I can do that, super post guys and well done the guys who put you in the right direction
And ahhhhhhhh relax !! Rebuilds time . Best bit of the start of the week. Who d have thought a wibbley wobbly would create that noise !!
Just had this, garage convinced it's knackered.... I tested it by pulling the manual release out on the friction wheel and silence! Even more shocking on more inspection there were 3 small "blisters/bumps" on outside the belt. Changed the belt, fixed - from scrap car to fixed in 15 quid!!!
How many cars have gone to the grave, or had the expensive timing chain "death rattle" diagnosed for a stupid envirocrap over complicated setup, it's absolutely stupid.
The comments section is like an encyclopaedia of knowledge. I was always under the impression it was only my wife that knew everything.
😂😂🤪
The number plate on that could read Peugeot sucks PE60 SUX
This car is a gem, feel bad for the old owner
You should pay attention when buying spare parts for this engine, especially the problem is the belt, which is much thinner on aftermket spare parts and can create a problem, there is not enough friction between the tensioner and the pulley on the water pump, so bether solution is to buy original belt it will last longer. Btw nice car😎 Greetings From Croatia!
Could the knocking possibly have been the flat spot on the belt as it went between the pullys
Sounds quite likely!
Yeah that's what I thought too
What a result so much for the original diagnosis🤔🙄 and what makes this channel great 👍 is you take advice from viewers 😀 and check it out what is said 👍👍👍
As someone else said and I agree, the enormous chunk missing from the former drive belt would've made a heck of a din as it passed the tensioner. A nice lucky break and the comments section is proven correct! Excellent video there Rob.
Agreed, I think it was making the tensioner jump each time it passed through it, hence the noise.
I think Chris deserved an easy-fix to get over Rob turning up with that Landrover! Well done guys. I was also chuffed to find out earlier that I was a winner in the last Comline competition, that I found out about from watching the channel. Thanks again!
Glad the commemts section were able to help you get it sorted. Another example of manufacturers over complecating things. There'll be someone out there with a kit to transform it to a more conventional set up. If not, Chris could design one. Top work. 👍
if I was the person that sold you this car I’d be spittin’ feathers and be having a word with the garage that mis-diagnosed it!!
Should have got a second or third opinion!
Needs A new engine sir !Those mechanics should be given the sack .What a daft water pump design they will give trouble totally pointless
Its a very good idea but poorly implemented. I have the same set up on my new Mini Cooper S. It certainly helps get the engine warm quickly, and therefore cuts emissions. Great in the winter, too !
@@peterbustin2683 Will only make a very small difference in reality like the new fad of electric steering box
@@pauldavies6037 Not in my experience. My car warms up in a few minutes which is great in winter when you have arthritis in hands & fingers !
Within the first minute, I’d thought ‘uh-oh, Rob’s been on the sauce’. 😀
My 208 gti made same noise was also the other pulley was out of balance it has a anti vibration thingy majig lol it turned out to be that so have that silly plastic tenstioner if anyone needs one
Does that number plate actually reads peugeot sucks? PEGO SUX?
Totally over engineered set up that water pump talk about trying to reinvent the wheel... Well done fellas great result 👍👍
Amazing diagnosis. Imagine being told you need a new engine and potentially scrapping the car for such a small fix! Power to all of the subscribers!
Sweet ... great flip, nice having others out in the cyber world that off there technical skill to the resolution to these kind of problem. NOW why would an engineer design something so flaky ... but it did run 70K until if failed (I wonder if the manual called out that drive belt to be replaced at 60K miles) LOL. Great job guys and great content too. I also liked the music.
Anyone noticed that the number plate looks like it says Peugeot Sucks?
It’s says pedo sux 😂. Needs removed
Brilliant paddy boy your spot on mate.👍😂
Well done guys, can't help but feel sorry for the previous owner, probably cost him a lot of money after a misdiagnosis
We offered it to him he’s ok 👍
Just shows how genuine you pair are, proper Gents of the highest regard 👌
Gutted for the other owner though, what a waste of space that garage must have been.
Hi. I work for mini. When the belts have chunks out of them it causes the water pump drive unit to knock against the pump pulley
yes that is true ,i did the chain thinking it was that, but it was the rubber off a section off the water pump pully, and was hitting the metal tensioner , take note guys
Bargain and a cheap fix 👍👍
Well done to them in the comments for the suggested fix 👍👍👍
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How annoyed would you be if you were the previous owner!! I'd go back to the mechanic and give him a piece of my mind
Chaps you should pop the engine code name in the description probably help loads of people
Have to feel for the previous owner, lost a lot of money through bad advice from his garage.
We spoke to him before the video went out he said good luck to us and thanks for the offer 👍
Yeah it's a clutch. The vag 2.0 engine has a similar electric clutch on its mechanical water pump to get it warm really quickly. . That fails just before the cam belt is due!
Forget mistakes. Forget failure. Forget everything except what you're going to do now and do it. Today is your lucky day --
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ha ha, fantastic result but who’d have guessed it, I’m gobsmacked
Before the French get all the blame it's possibly worth remembering that the Prince engine was a joint design of PSA and BMW. Still a naff design though! Not a great fan of Napa parts - US cheapo brand. The garage who suspected big end failure were fair enough (unless they were a Peugeot dealer who should have known better by now) but whoever didn't spot the state of that belt during its last service (or that it should have been replaced by now anyway due to age/impending failure) does deserve an earbending.
What I dont get is if is got a heap of paper work and service history how come that belt has never been replaced. Makes you wonder what we are paying for with servicing sometimes.
If there’s no invoice with a aux belt on it you won’t be paying for an aux belt. So you’re paying for what you get.
@@escort622 With a fail-able component you would think it would be replaced at a certain mileage interval though wouldn't you. Many motorists, me included, would not know that much about what belts there are on car. That is what interval servicing gives you, peace of mind.
Sod taking the misses out tonight
Name and shame the garage who diagnosed it before they try to mug someone else off.....🤦♂️🤷♂️
Great result for you guys but if I was the seller and I saw this id be livid with the incompetence of whoever diagnosed it needing a new engine.
You'd think any half competent mechanic would of got it right.
Oh well, at least its working out an easy fix for you..!! 👍👌
We didn’t know it was that part and Chris is the best mechanic I know so I think it’s just a case of a mistake
@@sruk thats what I mean, chris is defo more than competent but you'd be choked if that happened if you didn't know much about mechanics or engines and you put your trust in a " garage "....there's a big difference from needing a new engine to just a water pump assembly instead. To me it seems they didn't bother to look into it too much, it knocks so it must be the bottom end. Lazy beggers....
I have seen this issue 100s of times with bad belts. Basically that actuator comes in when the engine gets hot to then start circulating the coolant and as it’s squashing the belt on the pulleys that big gap in the belt is what’s making the noise as it’s thumping past the actuator is probably good just change the belt and the pump if it’s ok.
Me and my girlfriend have just aquired one of these from her Dad!!! He had not driven it for 3 1/2 years and he is moving to a warden controlled flat. I have been in the process of recommissioning it....new tires all round, getting rid of fault codes, broken Coil spring etc.... New MOT now and only 45k on the clock we aim to keep it as a second car. Its a boneshaker but does have personality that is so lacking in modern cars.
Nice one guys What makes me mad apart from the customer didn't need another vehicle is if the customer went ahead and had the engine changed they'd of fixed the noise because I bet they'd change the parts you did " because they were there anyway working on it, and they are service items" .The customer would of never known the motor wasn't knackered and neither would the garage doing it unless they realized and kept quiet after.
That pump drive systems got to be something to do with the emission's getting it to warm up quicker and stay warmer while driving so it don't pollute so much, it might save some fuel not using extra power turning the pump all the time to if it doesn't need to as well. I guess just blame the climate agenda for all that over complicated garbage to drive that water pump L.O.L. Take care guys
Personally wot I wod do is sell it bk to the person I bought it off they loved that car make some money out of it quick sale then
Brilliant video Rob and Chris, what a result - wow!! And what I liked was that you did the repairs outside on the ground just like the majority us would. Superb content, total credit to you! ✊👍👏🚙
I hope that You and Chris replaced the water pump friction wheel and have not used the old tatty one as there is no rubber left on it,I'm saying this because I didn't see a brand new shiny one fitted.
Just watching this has given me deep joy - well done!
Begs the question, why was the belt in such a state if the car has so much paper work/service records with it? Even so, nice drink in it for you lads!
Hey Guys, knowing the possible issues with the Peugeot & looking at the rego plate PE60 SUX, does this translate to Peugeot Sucks?? Looks close!
I wonder how many of these were scrapped directly, albeit understandably misdiagnosed as big end :(
Result guys. Everyone deserves a win occasionally.
That’s a really lovely looking car Rob, I’m sure they’ll be a nice little que of hopeful customers wanting to buy that one! 😊
Rob have you checked the mower fuel tank level, that Peugeot may have leaked sideways....LOL...
The number plate has always made me laugh.
Very nice, Rob and Chris. A nice way to start the day with you two guys. It's encouraged me to go out and fix my bonnet catch!
Power of your subscribers rise to the occasion again.
I'm aware you have to sort the chaff from the wheat though.
Brilliant fix ! But what a stupid water pump design. And don’t forget it’s essentially a BMW engine , not a Peugeot .
If it was a garage that said it needed a new engine that’s really bad on their part. If half of subscribers know this is a common fault a decent mechanic should know or at least diagnose it properly. Looks like a real flaky design though why not just use an electric water pump??
Guys, I'm wondering if the belt was really thin in one place and it had the effect of the tensioner being "bumped" as the thin bit went by on the pulley? It might make that noise. Changing the belt first might have made an even cheaper fix!
You did it again guys, fantastic result. Not sure now but there use to be quite a following for these Peugeot's
Well I done my apprenticeship in the 60s, I’m now in my 70s so I guess you can say I’m old school,but I’ve never heard a noise that accurately mimics a big end like that, it’s very true what they say, you never stop learning….well played again lads…😀
Still looks modern today👍
Don’t you love it when a plan comes together. Well done lads and we’ll done those who offered advice.
I bet the previous owner is cursing the garage who told him the engine was knackered.
You have both learnt something new, was worth watching just for the look on Chris's face. I don't believe it! your not turning into Victor Meldrew are you Rob? Chuffed for you both that it was such an easy fix, well done. 😁👍
Fair play to those that put you onto the fix. And good on you both for listening 👍👊
Theres a plethora of knowledge in community guys. Absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏👏
Love how rob gets the hard job of going for the coffee!
The most common problem on that engine with that set up, just that bit missing from the belt causes that knocking noise… crazy isn’t it
Interesting looking car, Peugeot aren't sold in the U.S. although I wish they were.
Im Australian and I'm about to buy one for my first car in a few weeks
You could see the disappointment in Chris's face. He really wanted to get stuck in, pull the crank and have it ground.. Next time mate :)
I suspect the noise was where the section with the missing ribs on that belt was getting pinched between the pulleys and tensioner wheel. It may have just needed a belt, but it was still worth putting the pump and tensioner on it anyway.
This is what I came into say. It was absolutely this.
I have the same car, had a similar sound coming from the engine. Luckily the mechanic is a cousin of mine as it was indeed only a damaged belt the culprit.
Could easily have been ripped off.
The previous owner must be gutted that they sold the car cheap being told it needs a new engine.
What a result:)
You never stop learning.
Interesting.
It was the poly v belt happens on Mini all the time, I've done literally hundreds of them big chunks missing out of the belt,
I think you will find the noise is where there is a chunk out of the belt because it drives off between that and the pulley
100%
Hi rob and Chris, great job. Well done to the viewers for helping you. From marty in Belfast northern Ireland God bless
You learn something new everyday 👍
I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of people have been stitched up with this fault. Great video 👍👍