You gotta fly straight, flare, then dodge with these things. It works, depending on the range. Side aspect is far far tricky because once you start to dodge after flaring to trick the missile, there aren't any flares left on the missile's fov because you've been flying away from the deployment point obliviously.
The RWR is going nuts because it detects the launch aircraft’s radar communicating with the missile. Which is why pilots call out the Fox codes (1,2 and 3) this let’s friendly pilots know that you fired a missile and it’s nothing to worry about
Well yes but that's not the point. The point is, it's giving launch notifications when it shouldn't be. Like when people are IN FRONT OF YOU by several KM, and pointing in the same direction you are. You'll STILL get RWR notifications from your friendly, which is impossible IRL. That's the point here. Not that it shouldn't be happening at all, but that it's happening when it shouldn't be.
@@moldypotato4656 This, i dont get how that made it into the game but why is my RWR telling me that my friendly 7km in front of me is locking me when he is locking the enemy in front of us? I just dont get how that made it into the game
@@kingghidorah8106the As have better flight performance for dogfighting due to being lighter overall despite the new engine. In terms of equipment however, the Block 50 is better.
It was not a limiter it was a funny interaction with gaijins engine and the F-16s model that caused the higher surface area control surfaces that were supposed to provide better maneuverability to instead lock up when you were going too fast but it’s fixed now on all varients
Dont ignore the fact that the smt is a ton heavier than the other mig 29, still produces the same thrust and received an fm nerf on the dev server. Seems like a temporary way gaijin "balanced" the plane at launch. Should change because no mig 29 has a turn rate similar to that of the phantom (which the smt in game does).
@@gasparferrandisromero1075That was for r73m+. R73 uses spacial irccm, where it detects flares but doesnt go for them. This leaves it to get flared easier than late aim9m-8. afaik r73 had the same early problems as early aim9m
@@intlon4299 I was really stoked for the R73 but either I'm having terrible luck with it, or it's real flare hungry. Feels if someone flares rear aspect it eats the flare more way too often. Between the mig 29 nerf, the SMT just flying like a brick, and the R73s feeling underwhelming this patch is a disappointment. The 9m on the other hand feels incredibly strong, and the F16 now turns on a dime...
@@TrampMachine From my experience the R73 is much better at sub 2 km range while the 9m claps at higher ranges. It is very easy to flare if you get the hang of it, but not many people do.
@@gasparferrandisromero1075it literally wasn’t, the 9m wasn’t a bad missile by any metric the issue was NATO didn’t account for Russia’s non standard shitty flares and only tested the 9m on nato flares, and even that was fixed past block 5
Bro Sim is a BLAST right now. So many Nerds in Mig-23ML'S and Mig-29's whose only concept of BFM is "pUlL StiCk & tUrN". It's a Blast putting these guys in a (trigger warning) 2 CIRCLE and watching them fall out of the sky in the F-5 / F-14B.
You probably already know this but that launch tone is not a glitch but an actual thing.. if anyone launches a missile within your area it will go off even if its not tracking you.. it also helps players to be more aware :3
@@uhhhh1214bro did you not hear joob talking about the launch warnings he was getting meanwhile nothing is coming at him? This shit is NOT trustworthy yet
Did you consider those failed launches lol..? How many people a game shoot missiles that blow up early because it was a terrible launch, it's still going to inform you
@@_bizmo_fungus_894 But that's still due to sensitive RWR and has nothing to do with the current RWR changes. You're allowed to employ grey matter too, obviously early match a rear missile launch at you = Doesn't make sense. Complaining like what most people do these days gets you nowhere and that's just the way War Thunder is, if you can't keep constantly evolving your state of awareness & know off the top of your head what's good when & where, you're gonna suffer in top tier.
R73 should have it's flare resistance at least comparable to the 9M. After so many people complained, it was gimped hard, now it's around the 9L level, maybe lower.
@mastergun5769 In real life, r73 had way better irccm than the aim9m, but obviously that would be unbalanced. I'm not saying same irccm as 9M, just a bit weaker than that.
@@mastergun57 MiG-29SMT is complete ass thats carried only by missiles, Gaijin completely butchered the MiG-29 flight model this patch while buffing the F-16, even the MiG-29 9.12 flies noticeably worse the SMT puts on another tonne while keeping the same engines, even the F-14A dunks on the SMT flight model wise.
the rwr update, just points at the glaring radar issues. you dont have to be the one locked, or fired on, and it will think its you, it was like this before aswell, if someone near you is locked, or has locked someone, it will think its you, if someone close has been fired on, it thinks its you. before it was just lock tones, so it wasnt as obvious.
The launch system is based off of these "beams" or "pulses" of friendlies or aircrafts launching their missile, it does not always specifically tell you that someone has launched a missile intended to kill you but it helps you to be more affirmative and confirm that someone has indeed launched their missile if someone in front of you RWR locks you and you see them flying towards you in a headon. Hence why pilots in the real world call out "Fox 1, 2, or 3" to communicate with fellow wingmans that they have fired and that their launch pings are not actually the enemy's but theirs.
Been doing quite alot of 1v1s against the f16c and using the f16c. It's just boring playing the f16 in dogfights against the mig29 since it's energy retention is so bad they honestly have over buffed the f16 to the point where you have to be an idiot to lose now.
@@roadhighersame goes to mirage2000. they just killed its manoeuvrability at low speeds. it looses control and literally falls out of the sky at 200 knots, while in reality it was pretty stable even at 40 knots.
I was running flares reinforced since before this patch even dropped, idk i just feel like chaff is unnecessary at top tier since we have a better version and a chaff that renders SARHs at top tier complete useless giving me SARH immunity, and its called planet earth. Flares reinforced is the most needed rn in top tier. And the earth chaff is infinite, the only time i got hit when I was flying low was an AIM-54 that detonated into a house next to me and the splash damage ignited by fuel tanks.
Would you say, that the 11.0 Matchmaker is improved now? Like not that much uptier anymore cause of the 12.3? Thinking about the EJ ADTW or Kurnass at 11.0 now, maybe its more fun?
Not yet, not enough 12.3's in the matchmaker to make much of a difference and everyone is using 11.3-12.0's to grind the new planes so you still get constant uptiers. Give it a week or two and it will actually be really nice once enough people unlock the F-16C and MiG-29SMT uptiers will be far less common.
thanks guys, i will try it in a week or two then. What do you think about a decrompression like F16C and MIG29 SMT to 12.7 and the "old" 12.0 planes to 12.3 In my opinion this step could give the whole Air RB new life and would show the diffrent eras a little bit better
The 9M is very easy to flare if you know what your doing. The IRCCM works by turning off and on the seeker when it sees flares. So to flare it all you have to do is flare. Then switch directions.
Smokeless missiles is a bit of a problem in a fairness standpoint. I am always trying to pay attention behind me for smoke. Now with these, with the flare restience seems broken.
The aim-9M will be VERY deadly in SIM but I feel Air RB the only missiles that should have the diamond are Radar any IR missile should of no diamond until it gets within 0.7 miles Also this update made the F-16 very good no more G limiter its great now the F-16 can compete with the Mig-29 now instead of the Mig-29 being the Top dog always
It definitely is. Also idk the validity of this statement but I heard there wasn’t necessarily a g limiter it just had a really bad flight model before.
Well Mig-29 wasnt the best jet in the world EVER F-18 came out the same year F-15 IRL shot down a few of them so fast they couldnt even get a radar lock onto the F-15 because thats how advanced the F-15 really is @@hemendraravi4787
They way over nerfed the mig 29s. The SMT flys like a brick it's insane how bad it is, and idk if it's just me but the R73 just feels like it eats flares super bad. I know the R73 is supposed to be better side aspect but it doesn't make sense that it'd be as bad rear aspect as it is. I'm enjoying the F16C but it feels like its so fun in part because how bad the mig 29s are after the nerf. Honest to god it feels like I'm flying a delta wing. End up treating it like a mig 21 which is beyond stupid.
Idk why you stay sideways and upside down so much, you mostly fly sideways until you want to launch a middle then you make sure to be upside down when it’s launched. Very suspicious.
It's funny when you guys call it "flare resistant", when ignoring how it's IRCCM works. It won't ever go after flares, unless you make it lose you from it's FOV while it's seeker is turned off. How could you even get to such a high BR, when you are not willing to learn how stuff works? Just that you say "it ignores flares in side aspect" proofs that you have no clue why.
I do know why, i just don't care, and it doesn't matter anyway because the result is the same. You're on the wrong youtube channel if you want technically informative content.
@@_Joob but you the whole game is about progressing technology. There is no way around learning, and especially not in the future. The result is only the same, if you don't learn. I can deal with them just fine most cases. Furthermore we are going into an age where you aren't meant to play the same as vietnam war era --> missiles shouldn't be reliably dodged/flared --> adjust playstyle.
i have that same exact livery but from live.warthunder for the F16 ADF and honestly i dont get why it looks so weird on the Blk 50, its like they got the tone of grey all wrong lol
You gotta fly straight, flare, then dodge with these things. It works, depending on the range.
Side aspect is far far tricky because once you start to dodge after flaring to trick the missile, there aren't any flares left on the missile's fov because you've been flying away from the deployment point obliviously.
yeah, so the trick to side aspect is to get yourself out of the seeker while it's off because you flared
@@aninnocent1544 you either go up, or down. Most of the time you can't go down because you're on the deck. And going up leave you vulnerable
i tried doing that in a custom battle and it doesn't work
The RWR is going nuts because it detects the launch aircraft’s radar communicating with the missile. Which is why pilots call out the Fox codes (1,2 and 3) this let’s friendly pilots know that you fired a missile and it’s nothing to worry about
Well yes but that's not the point.
The point is, it's giving launch notifications when it shouldn't be. Like when people are IN FRONT OF YOU by several KM, and pointing in the same direction you are. You'll STILL get RWR notifications from your friendly, which is impossible IRL.
That's the point here. Not that it shouldn't be happening at all, but that it's happening when it shouldn't be.
@@evangalinsky2499 yea it’s definitely bugged. But it is a nice change
@@evangalinsky2499 Same thing goes for radar rangefinders. They ping your RWR even if the player with the radar rangefinder is in front of you.
@@moldypotato4656 This, i dont get how that made it into the game but why is my RWR telling me that my friendly 7km in front of me is locking me when he is locking the enemy in front of us?
I just dont get how that made it into the game
I was having a blast with the block 50 in sim. Like the FM feels like an actual f16. Pure powerhouse
is it so much more powerful than the f16A block 10?
@@kingghidorah8106yes alot more engine thrust
@@kingghidorah8106the As have better flight performance for dogfighting due to being lighter overall despite the new engine. In terms of equipment however, the Block 50 is better.
@@AzureanSkyThe A can win in more ways, but the C can shape the fight to its advantage, which imo makes it equal in a dogfight
What radar mode do you use mainly in sim
Tws??
PD??
The reason the F-16c feels better than the mig-29smt is because they removed the g-limiter for a lot of the f-16s
It never had a g limiter, it just turned shit with a loadout and high fuel
It never had a limiter
They literally said that it literally had a bad flight model.
It was not a limiter it was a funny interaction with gaijins engine and the F-16s model that caused the higher surface area control surfaces that were supposed to provide better maneuverability to instead lock up when you were going too fast but it’s fixed now on all varients
Dont ignore the fact that the smt is a ton heavier than the other mig 29, still produces the same thrust and received an fm nerf on the dev server. Seems like a temporary way gaijin "balanced" the plane at launch. Should change because no mig 29 has a turn rate similar to that of the phantom (which the smt in game does).
They turned the MiG-29 flight models into trash this patch. It's ass.
If you want to flare AIM9M you have to flare, go straight for a moment and then turn, it mostly works when sideaspect
Your outro always goes hard asf
Yeah, I want it
i think we can finally agree that USA bias exists, as of this missile IRCCM is much worse than R73 one and ingame it's the other way around
How is a seeker shut off with INS guidance worse than an FOV clamp down?
@@BTechUnited FOV Clamp down is how R73 was introduced in WT, IRL it uses IR Lengthwave discrimination
@@gasparferrandisromero1075That was for r73m+. R73 uses spacial irccm, where it detects flares but doesnt go for them. This leaves it to get flared easier than late aim9m-8. afaik r73 had the same early problems as early aim9m
@@intlon4299 I was really stoked for the R73 but either I'm having terrible luck with it, or it's real flare hungry. Feels if someone flares rear aspect it eats the flare more way too often. Between the mig 29 nerf, the SMT just flying like a brick, and the R73s feeling underwhelming this patch is a disappointment. The 9m on the other hand feels incredibly strong, and the F16 now turns on a dime...
@@TrampMachine From my experience the R73 is much better at sub 2 km range while the 9m claps at higher ranges. It is very easy to flare if you get the hang of it, but not many people do.
joob, as time goes on, your videos have become more entertaining and well made. Good to see that you are improving and keep up the great work
as expected the r73s are poo and the 9Ms are godly, well done crybabies!
literally the other way around compared to IRL, but hey, russian bias mate
??? The r73’s still slam
@@gasparferrandisromero1075it literally wasn’t, the 9m wasn’t a bad missile by any metric the issue was NATO didn’t account for Russia’s non standard shitty flares and only tested the 9m on nato flares, and even that was fixed past block 5
@@_Joobthe 9M is better, but i think both should be nerfed
@@theliteralworst9416 that is still worse than R73 IRCCM, as off INS after seeker shutdown is worse than IR wavelength discrimination
Bro Sim is a BLAST right now. So many Nerds in Mig-23ML'S and Mig-29's whose only concept of BFM is "pUlL StiCk & tUrN". It's a Blast putting these guys in a (trigger warning) 2 CIRCLE and watching them fall out of the sky in the F-5 / F-14B.
What is the optimal rate speed in sim?
About 800-850kmh ime
@@intlon4299Not too different from realistic
@@bipbap5079 And in realistic the speed is?
@@intlon4299 abt 600-800kmh
You probably already know this but that launch tone is not a glitch but an actual thing.. if anyone launches a missile within your area it will go off even if its not tracking you.. it also helps players to be more aware :3
Honestly I haven't trusted my RWR in almost a year, I was hoping this patch would change that but it wold seem not
It quite literally says warning when someone shoots a missile at you
@@uhhhh1214 did you even watch the video?
@@uhhhh1214bro did you not hear joob talking about the launch warnings he was getting meanwhile nothing is coming at him? This shit is NOT trustworthy yet
Did you consider those failed launches lol..? How many people a game shoot missiles that blow up early because it was a terrible launch, it's still going to inform you
@@_bizmo_fungus_894 But that's still due to sensitive RWR and has nothing to do with the current RWR changes.
You're allowed to employ grey matter too, obviously early match a rear missile launch at you = Doesn't make sense.
Complaining like what most people do these days gets you nowhere and that's just the way War Thunder is, if you can't keep constantly evolving your state of awareness & know off the top of your head what's good when & where, you're gonna suffer in top tier.
Best killstealer teammate
the "sons of whatever" update sums up the update perfectly
R73 should have it's flare resistance at least comparable to the 9M. After so many people complained, it was gimped hard, now it's around the 9L level, maybe lower.
No the you trying to make the mig29 SMT unbalanced?
@@mastergun57 yeah migsmt is unbalanced while f16 is "amazing"
@mastergun5769 In real life, r73 had way better irccm than the aim9m, but obviously that would be unbalanced. I'm not saying same irccm as 9M, just a bit weaker than that.
@@surkhabsingh5856Aim9m-8 had better Irccm afaik
@@mastergun57 MiG-29SMT is complete ass thats carried only by missiles, Gaijin completely butchered the MiG-29 flight model this patch while buffing the F-16, even the MiG-29 9.12 flies noticeably worse the SMT puts on another tonne while keeping the same engines, even the F-14A dunks on the SMT flight model wise.
the rwr update, just points at the glaring radar issues. you dont have to be the one locked, or fired on, and it will think its you, it was like this before aswell, if someone near you is locked, or has locked someone, it will think its you, if someone close has been fired on, it thinks its you. before it was just lock tones, so it wasnt as obvious.
W vid
Rwr is supposed to sound off whenever there is any launch in the air
hi i love your videos :D
It was fun watching this live
From my experience I’ve definitely had a harder time against the 9M, even just looking at the missile it seem it will dominate.
fire
Joob 'how bout you try the Harrier now that it has 9Ms too? its been pretty fun for me with sneaky missiles
The launch system is based off of these "beams" or "pulses" of friendlies or aircrafts launching their missile, it does not always specifically tell you that someone has launched a missile intended to kill you but it helps you to be more affirmative and confirm that someone has indeed launched their missile if someone in front of you RWR locks you and you see them flying towards you in a headon.
Hence why pilots in the real world call out "Fox 1, 2, or 3" to communicate with fellow wingmans that they have fired and that their launch pings are not actually the enemy's but theirs.
I think one big failure of gaijin is they didn't give the Mig29SMT more flares
They should’ve added the mig 29m
Been doing quite alot of 1v1s against the f16c and using the f16c. It's just boring playing the f16 in dogfights against the mig29 since it's energy retention is so bad they honestly have over buffed the f16 to the point where you have to be an idiot to lose now.
@@yaksparrow2493 i disagree I don't have any issue using the 29 versus the f16 most people are just shit pilots
@@yaksparrow2493 MiG-29 flight model got butchered this patch with the drag increase while the F-16 got buffed
@@roadhighersame goes to mirage2000. they just killed its manoeuvrability at low speeds. it looses control and literally falls out of the sky at 200 knots, while in reality it was pretty stable even at 40 knots.
Not sure if anyone noticed but it’s got no tracer full SAPHEI belts they’re pretty nasty
Joobs outro goes hard
starting to think flares reinforced is the way to go at 12.0 now
Might just be, no radars at top tier are really affected by chaff, and notching, terrain defending or ground hugging is the way to go now.
I was running flares reinforced since before this patch even dropped, idk i just feel like chaff is unnecessary at top tier since we have a better version and a chaff that renders SARHs at top tier complete useless giving me SARH immunity, and its called planet earth.
Flares reinforced is the most needed rn in top tier. And the earth chaff is infinite, the only time i got hit when I was flying low was an AIM-54 that detonated into a house next to me and the splash damage ignited by fuel tanks.
@@alucidrust I am going to scream that one time I fight an EJ and get downed by a 7E DF
No 16C yet so I’m still seeing everything
@@AlphaJulietBravo1at what range? The E-2 DF is actually nasty at 3-4 km if it tracks properly
Chaff does'nt work anyway really
and now we see the reason why bvr is what modern combat is
Yoo i played against you in the last match! Around 7:39, hard right and you'll see me. It was fun fighting against you!
You committed building with you're plane or missile?
the 9m needs no danger diamond
W plane
Would you say, that the 11.0 Matchmaker is improved now?
Like not that much uptier anymore cause of the 12.3?
Thinking about the EJ ADTW or Kurnass at 11.0 now, maybe its more fun?
At 11.0 Ive been constantly playing 12.0
NOPE lol. there are still tons of people at 12.0 jumping on unlocking the new toys. and 11.3 just got even more miserable
Not yet, not enough 12.3's in the matchmaker to make much of a difference and everyone is using 11.3-12.0's to grind the new planes so you still get constant uptiers. Give it a week or two and it will actually be really nice once enough people unlock the F-16C and MiG-29SMT uptiers will be far less common.
thanks guys, i will try it in a week or two then.
What do you think about a decrompression like F16C and MIG29 SMT to 12.7 and the "old" 12.0 planes to 12.3
In my opinion this step could give the whole Air RB new life and would show the diffrent eras a little bit better
I haven't had an uptier in the mig21bis since the update (which also happens to have a better fm than the new mig29)
Definitely make another video on the j7e after patch day
Also all aspect pl5 when?
PL-5C? Eh it will probably raise the BR of the J7E if added on it
Maybe another J-7 with the double delta varient can be added with it tho
@theironwolf7519 I think all aspect would be fine at 11.0, 11.3 it would kinda suffer against top tier jets
The 9M is very easy to flare if you know what your doing. The IRCCM works by turning off and on the seeker when it sees flares. So to flare it all you have to do is flare. Then switch directions.
f16 blk 50 is so good that u get bored too quick.
Magic 2's are so good now I can head on people and always get a kill.
This 16 vs 16 shit is aweful.
Sons of whatever update... 🥲 most american thing I heard today.
the stock grind for F16C is painful
6:35 cinematic af
First
The SU25BM isn’t as power crept as I thought it would be
Smokeless missiles is a bit of a problem in a fairness standpoint. I am always trying to pay attention behind me for smoke. Now with these, with the flare restience seems broken.
Yooo it’s back lmao
I was watching last night and he private’ed it mid video
It’s so unfun to face. Especially with my 15 pops of flares.
they definitely do not behave like this anymore
SONS OF WHATEVER.
Can I get the name of the music at the end?
The aim-9M will be VERY deadly in SIM but I feel Air RB the only missiles that should have the diamond are Radar any IR missile should of no diamond until it gets within 0.7 miles Also this update made the F-16 very good no more G limiter its great now the F-16 can compete with the Mig-29 now instead of the Mig-29 being the Top dog always
It definitely is. Also idk the validity of this statement but I heard there wasn’t necessarily a g limiter it just had a really bad flight model before.
mig29 fm got heavily nerfed in this update.
too late to add new changes , diamond markers have been there for smokeless missiles since the beginning. even atgms have diamond markers in air rb
Well Mig-29 wasnt the best jet in the world EVER F-18 came out the same year F-15 IRL shot down a few of them so fast they couldnt even get a radar lock onto the F-15 because thats how advanced the F-15 really is @@hemendraravi4787
This thing is abject suffering when stock.
Missile Thunder is the fake war equivalent of Yu-Gi-Oh or something...
F4E late with 9P5s
9Ls
9Ms and laser guided bombs
When
Is this video sped up? 0,75 is a bit too slow, but better.
Played the update in my stock mig21bisSau, uninstalled. I will not play it until they pull the br ceiling up t o15.0 (which is never)
Gaigin need to fix that, the launch and lock from friendlies..
They way over nerfed the mig 29s. The SMT flys like a brick it's insane how bad it is, and idk if it's just me but the R73 just feels like it eats flares super bad. I know the R73 is supposed to be better side aspect but it doesn't make sense that it'd be as bad rear aspect as it is. I'm enjoying the F16C but it feels like its so fun in part because how bad the mig 29s are after the nerf. Honest to god it feels like I'm flying a delta wing. End up treating it like a mig 21 which is beyond stupid.
How do i use the aim-9ms? I just got them and im kinda confused
You’re keep blacking out bc you full afterburner when turning, that increases your accelerations felt during a turn and thus high Gs
USA bias
Does he die to that? - Joob throughout this whole video
Idk why you stay sideways and upside down so much, you mostly fly sideways until you want to launch a middle then you make sure to be upside down when it’s launched. Very suspicious.
RWR still sucks for AirRB. In GroundRB it seemed to work really well for me.
Alright lets see the Obama ll now.
Mid map aa won’t shoot at you unless you shoot at them first!
i will never touch top tier till they nerf aim9m
no missile do this, is absurdly op.
lol.
Screamer the fur baller with no awareness.
finny bouter
You know for a fact I’m not touching top tier for a while :)
idk if its just me, but im pretty sure the aim9m isnt leaving any smoke as it flies, is that a bug?
Who’s gonna tell him
@@mesobean lol
Ever heard of a smokeless missile ?
bro we heard the asian people you didnt recover from that
"Not overpowered"
Should (realistically) the a-10 late get aim-9m?
Then the difference between the premium and tech tree would make more sense
Not a single person that said first is actually first lmao
1 min ago lol
America number 1
nerf pls gajin
It's funny when you guys call it "flare resistant", when ignoring how it's IRCCM works. It won't ever go after flares, unless you make it lose you from it's FOV while it's seeker is turned off. How could you even get to such a high BR, when you are not willing to learn how stuff works?
Just that you say "it ignores flares in side aspect" proofs that you have no clue why.
I do know why, i just don't care, and it doesn't matter anyway because the result is the same. You're on the wrong youtube channel if you want technically informative content.
@@_Joob but you the whole game is about progressing technology. There is no way around learning, and especially not in the future. The result is only the same, if you don't learn. I can deal with them just fine most cases. Furthermore we are going into an age where you aren't meant to play the same as vietnam war era --> missiles shouldn't be reliably dodged/flared --> adjust playstyle.
first somehow
You will never know why this comment got pinned.
This shit ain’t getting pinned bruh
bro on the perc 30
i have that same exact livery but from live.warthunder for the F16 ADF and honestly i dont get why it looks so weird on the Blk 50, its like they got the tone of grey all wrong lol
First