His brother was not the one that opened Pandora's Box though! It was Pandora! Besides his name does mean "After Thought" so. He never thinks things through.
"“Hermes,” asked Prometheus, “has it ever occurred to you that I was out, in the world, for countless aeons before you imprisoned me here? If you’re so afraid of what I can do or say with a single sentence, what do you think happened when I had millennia to tailor everything just the way I wanted it? Things are going well for me, aren’t they? The gods have been brought low. Humans have never been doing better. Zeus thought he was so clever, giving them a box full of evils, but I selected every one of those evils eons beforehand. You know what was in that box, Hermes? _Things to make humanity stronger._ I gave them famine so they would invent agriculture. I gave them disease so they would invent medicine. I gave them war so they would smelt iron. And I left them hope, so that even in their darkest moments they would pull through and keep dreaming. Dream of putting all of those evils back in the box they came from and closing it forever. And they _will._ Do you know how many sentient species in the multiverse developed an industrial base, liberal democracy, and human rights without killing themselves or collapsing into barbarism, Hermes? The number is _one._ One sentient species. _Mine._”" -A Modern Myth ( slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/27/a-modern-myth/ ), a story which takes the phrase "god of forethought" to its logical conclusion.
"without killing themselves or collapsing into barbarism" I don't know about you but I think humanity has crossed that threshold centuries ago. Even better, we one upped ourselves by being willing to kill one another on the basis they believe something different from US. And we are capable of ending all life on earth with touch of a button. And more than once we came so close to nuclear destruction due to misunderstanding and fear, which is even more ironic as we would end ourselves through sheer ignorance.
As the seal on the lid of Pandora's opened, among the shrieks of the sorrows unleashed bellowed the most frightful of sounds: "Hey Terry! Check out this gif my Mom sent me on Facebook! It looks like it wants a cheeseburger, Haha!"
Hermes: "Then you will spend an eternity dying!" Prometheus: "Yes, but everyone on earth will live." Hermes: "But you will suffer!" Prometheus: "Pain's an old friend."
T-Rex got greedy, act like that and you get cursed. *Zap* Baby hands forever, still think you're cool? *Sound effects* Now you've got the biggest head imaginable. Thus bobble heads were created.
Heracles and the heroes in a age before humankind is really confusing. Not only because they were half-human themselves, but because Heracles broke Prometheus free later on. Aside from that, I like this series, it's really good.
@@VladTevez they've taked some license with this stories... Like a lot of them are kinda wrong there is not a cohesive myth is more like a collection of different stories wich themselve have different versions
I'm sure they are aware of the contradiction and due to the non-centralized nature of Greek mythology (very obvious in stuff like Helios v. Apollo) then the contradiction probably exists in many sources. Still I look forward to hearing them discuss this in the a lies-style follow-up video.
@@franciscosolanille7397 They seriously messed the timelines. For instance, Cheiron was the teacher of Achilles, who fulfilled the prophecy, which Zeus had no idea about it and punished Prometheus (not Prothemeus) only for revenge.
@@008TheDen If you want to tell the Greek creation myth, you have to go by the numbers, ie Hesiod. Later ancient Greeks messed the myths too, to give their own meaning, but on an entirely different context
Back then, the greeks didn't view gods the same way that people do today. Largely because gods represented facets of life benevolent and malicious. They were just as likely to destroy you as they were to save you. Worship appeased them to keep them from doing as much, and humans were supposed to stay humble, and submissive to the gods, which is why so many stories focused on overambitious humans being punished. To the greeks they themselves were unworthy of being treated good just for goodness sake, and their gods (fickle and cruel) represented how small they felt in the face of a difficult world and tough life.
I actually think it makes sense having flawed Gods like that. The world is imperfect, harsh and full of meaningless suffering, so why should the ones who made the world be any more perfect? The Gods also represented aspects of things, so if you aspired to Wisdom you would worship Athena, but if you were heading to battle you would make a sacrifice to Ares. And you can't have the good without the bad. Besides, the whole thing of sacrificing to the Gods to appease them reeks of people thinking of themselves as hostages to the Gods. Why conceptualize the ones holding you hostage with storms, famine, the things that lurk in the night as benevolent and nice Gods?
When interpreting "Hope" as a good or bad thing, you have to remember just what hope was in translation to the relationship between Humankind and the Gods. Hope was almost the same as pride or selfishness. The belief that one can overcome even the gods. Hope that brings forth ambitiousness, the same that would see so many Greek tales fall to their own pride. Orpheus with his hope to get his wife back from Hades, only to turn around at the last second and fail. The flight of Icarus. Arachnae in her pride and hope to best even Athena. To the Greeks, it was an evil. Hope can bring about only an even greater collapse into despair in the end.
Odysseus had hope as his punishment as well as his reward. It was used like heroin, chasing the pink dragon forever, having it constantly taken away from him. And, it was other gods who had to help him along. Heracles hopes to have a decent life, but Hera screwed him over. In the end, it did indeed pan out for them, but you have to remember it was also used to HURT them along the way.
I always interpreted it as hope = complacency, or wishful thinking. As in "I hope things will get better" etc. It being locked away symbolic of people having the ability to realize they could make change for themselves and no just sitting around praying for change. It being in any way "good" just seems like a misunderstanding, due to a more modern use of the word 'hope'; for one thing it was in a box full of "evil", and for a second escaping the box is what gave humanity said evils which implies hope was something we don't have. Saying " hope was at the bottom of the box so we still have it" is completely illogical within the context of the story.
Honestly Prometheus was, hands down, one of the best mythological figures in all of human history. The ancient Titans might have let the world be full of monsters, but they were never malevolent to the race of men they lorded over. In truth some of the Titans were good figures who only helped to forward the advance of Men at the time, like Hyperion, who is the Titan of Wisdom, Knowledge, and Heavenly Light.
"Hey! What are you holding?" "Your liver, Prometheus. How long we been doing this routine?" "Other talon." "Oh, uh-" "It's an onion! You're having my liver with an onion!"
Prometheus never told the secret? I recall that he did eventually reveal who the woman was: Thetis. She was destined to bare a child greater than his father, which is why the gods arranged for her to marry a mortal man. And this came true; her son was Achellis. EDIT: Yes, I'm aware of the Metis prophecy, and I am not confusing the two. These are two separate prophecies which both involve a (potential) son defeating his son (aka Zeus). Apparently this was a semi-frequent concern for Zeus...
Of course, that still leaves the original prophecy unfulfilled. And if you know the story of Perseus, or Oedipus, or...basically any Greek story involving a prophecy, really, you know that won't end well.
@@timothymclean The prophecy was fulfilled through Achilles. The narration is *colossally false.* The prophecy was not about a son than would overthrow Zeus, the prophecy was that _a woman would give birth to a son mightier than his father._ Zeus did not know this prophecy, until he wanted Thetis. Then Prometheus revealed to Zeus that if he begotted a son with her, it would be his undoing. Thus, Zeus forbade Thetis to couple with any god.
Fun fact: At 5:52, the two servant siblings, Force and Violence, are named Bia and Kratos. I'm really digging the campfire intro for the mythology series. 👍
"Go and persuade the sea waves not to break. You will persuade me no more easily". What I love most about old tales and mythology is the creative ways the characters tell each other to shove it.
Let's see here >Molded man in gods' image >Made man greatest among the animals >Undying love for his creation >Woman created to accompany man >Woman, through curiosity, unleashes suffering upon humanity >Sacrificed himself to save his creations Noticing parallels to something?
Crimson51 u forgot to compare "prometheus, impersonification of cognizance" to "the apple of cognizance" u realize right now that u went with the church around the village...? :P
The greatest gift of all... walking upright. Penguins Kangaroos Chickens Some lizards Ducks Sometimes cockroaches Geese Crows Mice Chipmunks Ostriches ... ... ...
@@danem.9402 So can dog, but we might use this mythology to see which animals were unknown to the Greeks, or in other words, when was the religion created
Plato: Humans are defined as a featherless being that can walk on two legs. Everyone: Thats a really good definition, Plato. Diogenes: *Runs in with a plucked chicken* BEHOLD, A MAN!
People know who Hercules is. If they used Heracles, people would be asking "Wait, did you mean Hercules?" And then people would be making hunk-ules jokes, and nobody wants that.
In some versions of the story of Pandora it was Epimetheus who, in an act of both jealousy and unhindered curiosity, opened the box to let out the blights to humanity, while Pandora was still the one to close it, trapping hope.
I'm glad you guys slipping in the part about hope being one of the curses of Pandora. One of the things I learned from studying Greek Mythology at university was that the Greeks themselves tended to view the hope in the story as the last, greatest evil that beset mankind, because it allowed us to blind ourselves to reason and necessary action, and become slothful in the face of difficulty. The detail of hope being the sort of "saving grace" of Pandora is a far later addition by later cultures reinterpreting the myths through their own lenses.
I always heard that the last thing in Pandora’s Box was Foreboding, which was good that it stayed because with it humanity would know all the evils that would befall them over the course of their lives.
Sleepy Scarecrow Productions I’ve heard both , but I think they go hand in hand. Should humanity have knowledge of future sorrows, they would have no reason to hope.
They even talk about the etymological connection between "Prometheus" and "Epimetheus"... one would expect attention to be drawn to the morphological and phonemic connection at that point if nothing else...
Heh, sometimes I have that same problem mixing up the pronunciation of odd names, like pronouncing Lagertha as "Largetha" or Tillman as "Littman," etc. So I was just worried that I'd been pronouncing Epimetheus wrong for about three decades. It's just a bit surprising that someone didn't catch it in editing, but no big. Prometheus FTW!
Again, the period of the Theogony was NOT the Age of Heroes. That was widely held to be the period of Homeric heroes who, obviously, could not have existed before the creation of mortal humans.
and again, a guy doesn't know that there have been several mankinds. prometheus job was to create the _new_ men of the _new_ age. prometheus is the impersonification of cognizance and that 1 force rebuilds mankind over and over since there, driving us towards more wisdom. remember the apple of cognizance in the bible? same story, differently wrapped.
@@Dichtsau no, in the Bible, the fruit was used as a trick of a snake to chase humans out of Eden, making them mortal and feel shame so they cover up with leaves. Hardly similar to the gift of fire, eh?..
He wasn't punished for giving the gift of knowledge to man. As other gods did that too (Hermes gave us the lyre, Athena gave us math, Dionysus gave us wine, Demeter taught agriculture, etc). It was stealing the fire and tricking Zeus out of his offerings that did it.
As stated in a previous video, coming up will be a two-parter on Perseus and after that it will be up to the patrons on Patreon to vote for future topics (October update video). As stated in a different video (the Extra Mythology announcement video, I think), they would love to cover mythology from all across the globe. Though, you may want to narrow it down from just saying Asian mythology. Indian, Russian, and Japanese mythology all vary fairly substantially despite them all being Asian (or at least mostly Asian, depending on where you want to draw the Europe-Asia line).
Kinda related, Overlysarcastic productions makes similar style cartoon videos about folklore and mythology. They're great and I recommend their Journey to the West series and Kali video.
Prometheus has a lot more things in common with the God of the Bible than I was expecting. He sculpts man from clay, makes them in the image of God(s), breathes life into them, and in some ways he plays the same role of suffering servant for the salvation of mankind that Jesus does as well, but instead of a cross it's a rock he's chained to, and instead of nails and crown of thorns it's a buzzard that gouges his liver everyday.
For real, I need more of that Extra Mythology Theme music. I will love you guys more than I already do (and I REALLY love you guys) if you could make a complete version of that theme available. You guys are the best! Thanks for all you do! Spread the knowledge! 👍
Suddenly started to hum the Dreidel Song. Trying to figure out some clever way to make it into making Humans out of Clay......yeah it is really lacking. Chocolate Coin?
man this was good I knew bits and pieces of this myth but never the whole thing and never told in such a majestic way great job ec! you outdid yourselves this time and I can't wait to see more oh and that outro theme? top notch I love BGC glad you got him to do it!
I always heard that Hercules persuaded him. There's something to the idea of Zeus' heart being softened by his fondness for his half-human kids. Besides the thunder part, he was also a sort of paternal deity and a god of civilization (both its good and its bad sides. ) But there were numerous often regional versions of all the stories, probably even the ancients just picked whicever version resonated most with them.
Greek myths had a lot of retooling to fit the new views on thing. The gods went from hedonistic forces of nature, to tyrants, to benevolents, to flawed and complex. It really depends what the people you're talking to want to present.
Then there's Odin, who sacrificed his eye and stayed dead for NINE days (because that was the mavgical number) in order to bring humanity wisdom and writing. Funny thing is, runes were invented in what would today be denmark or Schleswig -holstein, and it is thought that the locals got the idea of writing from the Romans. Yet by the migration period, there were already myths about it. The part with the wisdom is older tho.
I just wanted to say that, at first your voice didn't seemed to fit the whole channel (my biased opinion) but hearing your calm and collected voice throughout this topic really makes it shine. Keep it up my man.
So Prometheus created Mankind? Huh, so THAT is why Frankenstein is ”The Modern Prometheus”! I always thought it had something to do with taking something only God was supposed to be able to do (fire/create life) and give that power to humanity to amorality muck around with.... my Idea was better, I am kind of sad now.
Something that always bothered me about Pandora's myth : she lets evil out by opening the box, but we still have hope because she closed the box. So what do we get ? Thing that are inside the box or things that are let out of the box ?
There are a _lot_ of versions of the myth. One I've heard that stuck with me is that we get the stuff inside the box, which was good, and Hope was the only thing she didn't spill. Another is that Hopelessness was what got trapped in the box. I'm not sure if that's because there were multiple Greek originals, or just one but it didn't make any sense to modern people.
It is because Zeus knew it would happen. As Hope is something that could conquer all evils. As it is hope that would drive a human to be better. And so when Pandora slammed the lid and locked away hope. She allowed Zeus to torment Humans. To control them. To make sure that he was the center or their believes. Zeus was a total jerk like that.
Because hope is something you can hold, or lose, by own decision. You can't control death and misery, but you can choose to keep hope or be without it.
one interpretation i read was that instead, she was able to grab one evil and shove it back into the box. and this one evil was precognition, the ability to see the future as it would inevitably happen. With this evil locked up still, humanity would have hope by default, as we would be blissfully ignorant of our own future, rather then wallowing in grief and misery at what we knew would eventually come to pass.
You did make one mistake: You went by the roman name of one of the gods while using the greek names of all of the other gods (you called Heracles by his more famous name Hercules).
well it is actually significant. The big enemy Heracles faced through his entire life was Hera. So to try to appease her, he was named HERAcles. Calling him Hercules kinda removes alot of what makes him such an interesting character that's talked about to this day.
I don't take it as a "mistake' so much as going with the more popular pronunciation. People tend to forget these are done for the mass audience and not just the niche crowd, which is why they have over 1 million subs. i'm pretty sure these guys are well aware of the difference.
I'm less than a minute into this and I've learned that Epimetheus is like a game modder. "DUDE! You know what would be awesome? If like, on Earth, there were these bears with a ton of strength. And these snake things that had poison..."
Jonathan Faber if you were to make a greek mythology time you will ALWAYS find contradictions. Greek religion was not really centralized so each region had their own version of the tales.
Hell just follow the confusing and ungodly (eh?) timeline of Dionysus. I’m pretty sure the guy’s older than the rest of the Pantheon by a WIIIDE margin
The origin of mankind is one of the least-consistent parts of Greek mythology. Even the Greeks couldn't sort it all out; there was this one philosopher who tried to make sense of it by saying there were multiple successive human races, each created by a completely different method.
There were multiple ages of man. The Age of Heroes was part of several ages and the men of that time died out and went to Elysium. After they died out a new age, the Age of Iron, was born and that is the current one. Who these humans were before was unclear, but they were the heroes and people talked about in the myths.
We'll be starting this week to collect the first round of suggestions for upcoming Extra Mythology videos. More info at www.patreon.com/extramythology
Egyptian Mythology please and don't forget about ZOE references.
Eros and Psyche please!!!! That’s my favourite myth!!!”
cover story of kartikeya story a prominent but less covered god in hindu mythology
Romans next.
Romans or Germanic Mythos next
"Go and persuade the sea waves not to break. You will persuade me, no more easily" BADASS
He Shouldve added "BITCH" or "MOTHERFUCKER" at the end
No, class with those words. Prometheus had real class.
They should have Samuel L. Jackson play Prometheus in a movie.
So *Metal*
Yo, poseidon. Or wait, should I be talking to Pontus? sh*t, who is actually in controll of the sea? God damit!
I love how Prometheus is this determined, wise being who allowed himself to be tortured while his brother was just a creative idiot.
He gave us bears for fucks sake
His brother was not the one that opened Pandora's Box though! It was Pandora! Besides his name does mean "After Thought" so. He never thinks things through.
He was representation of stability
And his brother was of progress
I am the brother just with less creative
Prometheus is Jesus appearently
Prometheus is a good dad.
Prometheus is the best Dad
We demand for Father's Day "Prometheus is Best Dad" shirts.
You're welcome ua-cam.com/video/79DijItQXMM/v-deo.html
Brometheus, the first Bro
WOULD BE the best dad
"And kind of a jerk"
Kind of? He was a total jerk.
And a womanizer.
Arkhein just a womanizer? he was an everything-that-moves-izer.
@@espio87 he loved... Stuff.
Understatement of the eternity.
Antti Björklund that zesus for ya
Kratos got him good
GILGAMESH!
also, remember the four-word summary of nearly all greek mythology:
"unfortunately, zeus was horny"
Nice
This was why in AC oddysey I wasn't surprised of Gay people even if it was a bit odd but who know man these guys were one of the 1st Furries
Unfortunately, Zeus was jackasses.
Unless there's monsters involved. Then it's "Unfortunately, Poseidon was horny."
That's what people will say about 2016-2020 in the future
"“Hermes,” asked Prometheus, “has it ever occurred to you that I was out, in the world, for countless aeons before you imprisoned me here? If you’re so afraid of what I can do or say with a single sentence, what do you think happened when I had millennia to tailor everything just the way I wanted it? Things are going well for me, aren’t they? The gods have been brought low. Humans have never been doing better. Zeus thought he was so clever, giving them a box full of evils, but I selected every one of those evils eons beforehand. You know what was in that box, Hermes? _Things to make humanity stronger._ I gave them famine so they would invent agriculture. I gave them disease so they would invent medicine. I gave them war so they would smelt iron. And I left them hope, so that even in their darkest moments they would pull through and keep dreaming. Dream of putting all of those evils back in the box they came from and closing it forever. And they _will._ Do you know how many sentient species in the multiverse developed an industrial base, liberal democracy, and human rights without killing themselves or collapsing into barbarism, Hermes? The number is _one._ One sentient species. _Mine._”"
-A Modern Myth ( slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/27/a-modern-myth/ ), a story which takes the phrase "god of forethought" to its logical conclusion.
"AND THE SEE IS REALLY GREAT TOO"
-Poseidon
AND THATS ON WHAT?! P E R I O D
The perfect ending
"without killing themselves or collapsing into barbarism"
I don't know about you but I think humanity has crossed that threshold centuries ago. Even better, we one upped ourselves by being willing to kill one another on the basis they believe something different from US.
And we are capable of ending all life on earth with touch of a button. And more than once we came so close to nuclear destruction due to misunderstanding and fear, which is even more ironic as we would end ourselves through sheer ignorance.
@@vehx9316 It's not his fault what humanity has become through our choices.
"And probably, people who check their phones in movie theaters."
Gold. Absolute gold
As the seal on the lid of Pandora's opened, among the shrieks of the sorrows unleashed bellowed the most frightful of sounds: "Hey Terry! Check out this gif my Mom sent me on Facebook! It looks like it wants a cheeseburger, Haha!"
Seem to have heard something similar...
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People who TALK during the movie are even worse
Back in the 60s it was people who talked loudly in restaurants, I believe.
Victor Von Deathstroke also you have an awesome name dude/dudette. (Can never tell lol)
Prometheus: Unbowed, unbent, unbroken
Lords of sunspear!!
Well, physically broken; repeatedly. And painfully.
Hotel: Trivago
And the sequels Prometheus: Unbound, Prometheus:The Fire Bringer and Prometheus:The Kindler Finder
Hail Prometheus Martell
"I believe I have a reservation for lunch, look under Eagle."
"You're not funny y'know. Not now, not ever."
Hermes: "Then you will spend an eternity dying!"
Prometheus: "Yes, but everyone on earth will live."
Hermes: "But you will suffer!"
Prometheus: "Pain's an old friend."
Doctor Strange
@@dreademperor2094 r/woosh
@@asdrubalvect6328 what was that?
Kangaroo, GIVEN THE GIFT TO WALK UPRIGHT LIKE GODS!
Nah, they jump...
Maybe t-rex was...
T-Rex got greedy, act like that and you get cursed.
*Zap*
Baby hands forever, still think you're cool?
*Sound effects*
Now you've got the biggest head imaginable. Thus bobble heads were created.
"Behold a man!" I shout as my kangaroo kicks Plato in the chest.
Also emus. No wonder they rekt the human army in the War.
The greeks didn't know of kangaroos so it's understandable
Heracles and the heroes in a age before humankind is really confusing. Not only because they were half-human themselves, but because Heracles broke Prometheus free later on.
Aside from that, I like this series, it's really good.
Both videos have grave narration issues, and that has nothing to do with other versions...
@@VladTevez they've taked some license with this stories... Like a lot of them are kinda wrong there is not a cohesive myth is more like a collection of different stories wich themselve have different versions
I'm sure they are aware of the contradiction and due to the non-centralized nature of Greek mythology (very obvious in stuff like Helios v. Apollo) then the contradiction probably exists in many sources. Still I look forward to hearing them discuss this in the a lies-style follow-up video.
@@franciscosolanille7397 They seriously messed the timelines. For instance, Cheiron was the teacher of Achilles, who fulfilled the prophecy, which Zeus had no idea about it and punished Prometheus (not Prothemeus) only for revenge.
@@008TheDen If you want to tell the Greek creation myth, you have to go by the numbers, ie Hesiod. Later ancient Greeks messed the myths too, to give their own meaning, but on an entirely different context
I don’t understand why the ancient Greeks worshipped such awful gods, when they could’ve been worshipping Prometheus.
I want to know this too. Why do the Greeks worship Zeus at all, hes like the devil surely?
Back then, the greeks didn't view gods the same way that people do today. Largely because gods represented facets of life benevolent and malicious. They were just as likely to destroy you as they were to save you. Worship appeased them to keep them from doing as much, and humans were supposed to stay humble, and submissive to the gods, which is why so many stories focused on overambitious humans being punished. To the greeks they themselves were unworthy of being treated good just for goodness sake, and their gods (fickle and cruel) represented how small they felt in the face of a difficult world and tough life.
Life is hash today, at that time was much more. I think that greeks gods reflected the way that it's people lived.
I actually think it makes sense having flawed Gods like that. The world is imperfect, harsh and full of meaningless suffering, so why should the ones who made the world be any more perfect? The Gods also represented aspects of things, so if you aspired to Wisdom you would worship Athena, but if you were heading to battle you would make a sacrifice to Ares. And you can't have the good without the bad.
Besides, the whole thing of sacrificing to the Gods to appease them reeks of people thinking of themselves as hostages to the Gods. Why conceptualize the ones holding you hostage with storms, famine, the things that lurk in the night as benevolent and nice Gods?
Promethues was kinda busy back then
When interpreting "Hope" as a good or bad thing, you have to remember just what hope was in translation to the relationship between Humankind and the Gods. Hope was almost the same as pride or selfishness. The belief that one can overcome even the gods. Hope that brings forth ambitiousness, the same that would see so many Greek tales fall to their own pride. Orpheus with his hope to get his wife back from Hades, only to turn around at the last second and fail. The flight of Icarus. Arachnae in her pride and hope to best even Athena. To the Greeks, it was an evil. Hope can bring about only an even greater collapse into despair in the end.
But what about Odysseus and Heracles? Didn't they hope, and got home and were redeemed, respectively?
Odysseus had hope as his punishment as well as his reward. It was used like heroin, chasing the pink dragon forever, having it constantly taken away from him. And, it was other gods who had to help him along.
Heracles hopes to have a decent life, but Hera screwed him over.
In the end, it did indeed pan out for them, but you have to remember it was also used to HURT them along the way.
Keep in mind, the Ancient Greeks were around for thousands of years. Stories and interpretations of stories can change a lot a few thousand years.
......hmmmm......nice........
I always interpreted it as hope = complacency, or wishful thinking. As in "I hope things will get better" etc. It being locked away symbolic of people having the ability to realize they could make change for themselves and no just sitting around praying for change.
It being in any way "good" just seems like a misunderstanding, due to a more modern use of the word 'hope'; for one thing it was in a box full of "evil", and for a second escaping the box is what gave humanity said evils which implies hope was something we don't have. Saying " hope was at the bottom of the box so we still have it" is completely illogical within the context of the story.
Fun Fact:
Heracles is the original Greek tale of legend.
Hercules is the Roman retelling of that legend.
And Disney's Christianized defilement.
@@JoshSweetvale
"Cristianized defilement", what?
Big reason why the name Hercules bugs me.
@@yankeedoodle1087 Marvel gave a good a heartbreaking reason why Herc, despite being the Greek version went with his Roman name.
@@Deadxman616 Nice job getting the names mixed up which this is a reason why it bugs me.
Honestly Prometheus was, hands down, one of the best mythological figures in all of human history. The ancient Titans might have let the world be full of monsters, but they were never malevolent to the race of men they lorded over. In truth some of the Titans were good figures who only helped to forward the advance of Men at the time, like Hyperion, who is the Titan of Wisdom, Knowledge, and Heavenly Light.
People that check their phone in movie theater is nothing compare to people that don't flush in public toilet. 😜
Agree
@@setsunasakamoto5567 I'd have to say people who don't wash their hands are worse.
@@devinpierce6854 leaving pee in the toilet seat and leaving a mess of TP and pee in the restroom is more Worse
Seriously HOW HARD IS IT
i'm fine with not flushing toilets as long a they wash their hands.
"Hey! What are you holding?"
"Your liver, Prometheus. How long we been doing this routine?"
"Other talon."
"Oh, uh-"
"It's an onion! You're having my liver with an onion!"
*"Good riddance! Wanna go celebrate?"*
After the first few decades it's gotta do something to keep the taste of liver going stale.
*Fava beans
Nice Chiantis have not been invented yet.
I don’t understand your joke
Zeus "gift" for pandora was "curiosity"
he DOOMED her into opening the damn box.
Prometheus never told the secret?
I recall that he did eventually reveal who the woman was: Thetis. She was destined to bare a child greater than his father, which is why the gods arranged for her to marry a mortal man. And this came true; her son was Achellis.
EDIT: Yes, I'm aware of the Metis prophecy, and I am not confusing the two. These are two separate prophecies which both involve a (potential) son defeating his son (aka Zeus). Apparently this was a semi-frequent concern for Zeus...
Of course, that still leaves the original prophecy unfulfilled. And if you know the story of Perseus, or Oedipus, or...basically any Greek story involving a prophecy, really, you know that won't end well.
What if... he lied?
I thought it was Metis
@@timothymclean The prophecy was fulfilled through Achilles. The narration is *colossally false.* The prophecy was not about a son than would overthrow Zeus, the prophecy was that _a woman would give birth to a son mightier than his father._ Zeus did not know this prophecy, until he wanted Thetis. Then Prometheus revealed to Zeus that if he begotted a son with her, it would be his undoing. Thus, Zeus forbade Thetis to couple with any god.
Wasn’t is prophesied somewhere that it would be Dionysus? Or at least that he would inherit the throne of the gods?
Fun fact: At 5:52, the two servant siblings, Force and Violence, are named Bia and Kratos.
I'm really digging the campfire intro for the mythology series. 👍
People always ask WHO is prometheus
Not
*HOW is prometheus*
I give u one better
WHY is Prometheus?
Or better, WHAT is Prometheus?
Ostanovit LOL
No its -WHEN IS PROMETHEUS-
"Go and persuade the sea waves not to break. You will persuade me no more easily".
What I love most about old tales and mythology is the creative ways the characters tell each other to shove it.
Let's see here
>Molded man in gods' image
>Made man greatest among the animals
>Undying love for his creation
>Woman created to accompany man
>Woman, through curiosity, unleashes suffering upon humanity
>Sacrificed himself to save his creations
Noticing parallels to something?
Christianity? Yes
Christianity in theory could be the dark age version of the greek mythology
Well...
Jesus didnt REALY make a sacrifise when you think about is
Its generally a nonsensical story
...like most of mythology...
Crimson51 u forgot to compare "prometheus, impersonification of cognizance" to "the apple of cognizance"
u realize right now that u went with the church around the village...? :P
It's worth noting a lot of these myths come down to us from Greek speaking monks in the Byzantine Empire. A lot of parallels were drawn.
@@findlayyoung4 yeah
"But Zeus was cunning... And kinda of a jerk."
KINDA!??
The greatest gift of all... walking upright.
Penguins
Kangaroos
Chickens
Some lizards
Ducks
Sometimes cockroaches
Geese
Crows
Mice
Chipmunks
Ostriches
...
...
...
Mice?
FreeStyle yeah mice can walk upright. They generally dont. But they can
Penguins does but the ancient greeks had probably never heard of penguins, the rest are bipedal but they don't walk upright.
@@danem.9402 So can dog, but we might use this mythology to see which animals were unknown to the Greeks, or in other words, when was the religion created
Plato: Humans are defined as a featherless being that can walk on two legs.
Everyone: Thats a really good definition, Plato.
Diogenes: *Runs in with a plucked chicken* BEHOLD, A MAN!
If you're doing Greek myths, you should probably use Heracles, rather than Hercules.
People know who Hercules is. If they used Heracles, people would be asking "Wait, did you mean Hercules?" And then people would be making hunk-ules jokes, and nobody wants that.
Timothy McLean I was gonna say the same thing, everyone calls him Hercules.
Nah, you mean Herculad.
No, you mean Chocolate
They said Heracles in the first video. I wonder why they changed it.
"Basically, he (Zeus) was a jerk."
Greatest understatement of the pantheon.
In some versions of the story of Pandora it was Epimetheus who, in an act of both jealousy and unhindered curiosity, opened the box to let out the blights to humanity, while Pandora was still the one to close it, trapping hope.
I'm glad you guys slipping in the part about hope being one of the curses of Pandora. One of the things I learned from studying Greek Mythology at university was that the Greeks themselves tended to view the hope in the story as the last, greatest evil that beset mankind, because it allowed us to blind ourselves to reason and necessary action, and become slothful in the face of difficulty. The detail of hope being the sort of "saving grace" of Pandora is a far later addition by later cultures reinterpreting the myths through their own lenses.
Hercules: **Frees Prometheus**
Zeus: HERA! GIVE ME A CHANCE TO TORMENT THE LAD NOW!
I always heard that the last thing in Pandora’s Box was Foreboding, which was good that it stayed because with it humanity would know all the evils that would befall them over the course of their lives.
There are many versions, but that was the first one I heard as well
Sleepy Scarecrow Productions I’ve heard both , but I think they go hand in hand. Should humanity have knowledge of future sorrows, they would have no reason to hope.
I also always heard forethought, but like he said there are many versions to the story.
I have to say I absolutely ADORE the artwork for this series. Big, big kudos to the team!
Prometheus is such a good boy.
It's pronounced Epi-MEE-theus, not Epi-TEE-meus
They even talk about the etymological connection between "Prometheus" and "Epimetheus"... one would expect attention to be drawn to the morphological and phonemic connection at that point if nothing else...
As they say: "Epimetheus is 20/20", or so.
Thank you ! How come he can't read ? :(
Heh, sometimes I have that same problem mixing up the pronunciation of odd names, like pronouncing Lagertha as "Largetha" or Tillman as "Littman," etc. So I was just worried that I'd been pronouncing Epimetheus wrong for about three decades. It's just a bit surprising that someone didn't catch it in editing, but no big. Prometheus FTW!
I thought so! I was doubting myself throughout the entire video. @extra credits , re upload! Lol jk I know yall are busy
Again, the period of the Theogony was NOT the Age of Heroes. That was widely held to be the period of Homeric heroes who, obviously, could not have existed before the creation of mortal humans.
and again, a guy doesn't know that there have been several mankinds.
prometheus job was to create the _new_ men of the _new_ age.
prometheus is the impersonification of cognizance and that 1 force rebuilds mankind over and over since there, driving us towards more wisdom.
remember the apple of cognizance in the bible? same story, differently wrapped.
@@Dichtsau no, in the Bible, the fruit was used as a trick of a snake to chase humans out of Eden, making them mortal and feel shame so they cover up with leaves. Hardly similar to the gift of fire, eh?..
The greatest threat to Zeus, that Prometheus won’t tell him about, is none other than Kratos.
Prometheus was punished by the gods for giving the gift of knowledge to man. He was cast into the bowels of the Earth and pecked by birds
So who's right? This guy or the turret? My money's still on the turret.
I sure am GLaD to see that reference
He wasn't punished for giving the gift of knowledge to man. As other gods did that too (Hermes gave us the lyre, Athena gave us math, Dionysus gave us wine, Demeter taught agriculture, etc).
It was stealing the fire and tricking Zeus out of his offerings that did it.
I agree, I beleive you're right.
@@fbiuzz It's a Portal reference. You're still right, to be sure.
Extra Mythology is quickly becoming my favourite show on here.
People that commit the mortal sin of checking their phone in a movie theater are bound to hades himself.
5:00 What the hell you got against moths?
they are people that check their phone during theater, who the hell doesn't hate that?
Yeah, moths are cool, they make sure I don't feel lonely while messing on my phone at night by flying up to my face
Can you make a series about an asian mythology?
There will be some in future most likely. Go be a supporter on patreon to make it happen.
As stated in a previous video, coming up will be a two-parter on Perseus and after that it will be up to the patrons on Patreon to vote for future topics (October update video). As stated in a different video (the Extra Mythology announcement video, I think), they would love to cover mythology from all across the globe. Though, you may want to narrow it down from just saying Asian mythology. Indian, Russian, and Japanese mythology all vary fairly substantially despite them all being Asian (or at least mostly Asian, depending on where you want to draw the Europe-Asia line).
If you support them on Patreon, they will surely consider your request. But they will not look to this comment section for suggestions.
Kinda related, Overlysarcastic productions makes similar style cartoon videos about folklore and mythology. They're great and I recommend their Journey to the West series and Kali video.
Susanoo would be a good one, iirc he was basically kicked out of heaven for drunk and disorderly conduct.
Zeus: SUBMIT TO ME!
Prometheus: *sticks up middle finger*
Prometheus has a lot more things in common with the God of the Bible than I was expecting. He sculpts man from clay, makes them in the image of God(s), breathes life into them, and in some ways he plays the same role of suffering servant for the salvation of mankind that Jesus does as well, but instead of a cross it's a rock he's chained to, and instead of nails and crown of thorns it's a buzzard that gouges his liver everyday.
oh no, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CHECK THEIR PHONES IN MOVIE THEATERS!!
Ah, yes. good old Epithemeus. XD I kid. I love it. Good video! :D
"...Tyranny was made to bend before he" I got goosebumps hearing that! That was so damn good 😁!
Damn it Pandora! Why did you let out the evilest of sins! Checking your phone during a movie! *checking his phone during a movie* curse you woman!!
YOU MONSTER!!! SUCH INHUMAN THING YOU DO!!
Greek Myths are easily my favorite study subject, and the ending theme is simply divine
Epimethus with that mono green deck
CREATURES CREATURES CREATURES BUFFS CREATURES CREATURES CREA-
So
If Epimetheus is Green🌳 & Prometheus is Blue💧
Is Zeus Black💀?
Given his impulsiveness, I believe an Urza block green stompy that concedes at the end of turn 4 if he didn't win by then.
Epithemius: experience now, think later.
Prometheus: think first, do it later
I LOVE THIS NEW SERIES!!
For real, I need more of that Extra Mythology Theme music. I will love you guys more than I already do (and I REALLY love you guys) if you could make a complete version of that theme available.
You guys are the best! Thanks for all you do! Spread the knowledge! 👍
I'm glad Extra Credits has attended the school of running away from things...
Oh wait, wrong Prometheus.
Its getting there, I enjoyed this one more.
Im really glad you addressed the fact that lots of the stories have different versions.
You said “Epithemeus” instead of “Epimetheus” this video, but great video!
I absolutely love this! Pleeeaasssee keep the campfire aesthetic, it's so perfect...
the original make a man out of you clay editon
Khnum: Hold my beer.
Its in every mythology
Suddenly started to hum the Dreidel Song. Trying to figure out some clever way to make it into making Humans out of Clay......yeah it is really lacking. Chocolate Coin?
Its the most common of the bunch
Enki: Hold my Water.
man this was good I knew bits and pieces of this myth but never the whole thing and never told in such a majestic way great job ec! you outdid yourselves this time and I can't wait to see more oh and that outro theme? top notch I love BGC glad you got him to do it!
I remember reading in class that Zeus actually gave him his freedom after seeing all the accomplishments of man
According to narration, Hercules freed him
There's probably a myth that says that, Hector. The Greeks had a _lot_ of myths.
I doubt it. I don't think the Greeks liked Zeus very much.
I always heard that Hercules persuaded him.
There's something to the idea of Zeus' heart being softened by his fondness for his half-human kids. Besides the thunder part, he was also a sort of paternal deity and a god of civilization (both its good and its bad sides. )
But there were numerous often regional versions of all the stories, probably even the ancients just picked whicever version resonated most with them.
Greek myths had a lot of retooling to fit the new views on thing.
The gods went from hedonistic forces of nature, to tyrants, to benevolents, to flawed and complex. It really depends what the people you're talking to want to present.
Prometheus is the real God here. I worship him now.
A creator who loves humanity to the point of being willingly bound and tortured? Sounds familiar...
Then there's Odin, who sacrificed his eye and stayed dead for NINE days (because that was the mavgical number) in order to bring humanity wisdom and writing.
Funny thing is, runes were invented in what would today be denmark or Schleswig -holstein, and it is thought that the locals got the idea of writing from the Romans. Yet by the migration period, there were already myths about it.
The part with the wisdom is older tho.
This is my favorite series and that is saying a lot. More please!
0:50 Totally could've slipped in a Jabberwocky reference there.
I just wanted to say that, at first your voice didn't seemed to fit the whole channel (my biased opinion) but hearing your calm and collected voice throughout this topic really makes it shine. Keep it up my man.
Great, now I want Liver and Onions.
My favorite mythology so far
Epi-ME-theus, brother of Pro-ME-theus.
:D
@@EpimetheusHistory love your channel
intended pun
How can you imbue bean people with such emotion and subtlety? Last images of Prometheus almost made me cry
"Go and persuade the sea waves not to break. You will persuade me, no more easily" Prometheus DOES know that Poseidon can literally do that, right?
Oof (unless Prometheus have limits, like he can bend the water but not stop the waves from splashing midair)
Thank you Prometheus. For everything.
Epimetheus made Australia didn’t he...sigh, figures.
Words don’t describe how much I love this serious
Whenever I hear "Prometheus", I can only think of Michael Fassbender. 😂
The pain of Prometheus was evident in his scream. Excellent artwork.
Prometheus best god.
Prometheus was a Titan not a God. Two different things. At least you Greeks.
Baldr a pretty good god too. I bet their total bros.
hE aInT A GoD!!!!!!!
The relating the power of forethought to the capacity to resist injustice is a good motif.
You mispronoucning Epimetheus every time is just driving me bananas.
haha...true
This is one of the most exciting videos I’ve seen on Greek mythology.
7:37, wow Hermes is a freak...
The intro music, omg, I don't know why but I am in love
Thanks, Prometheus!
People who check on their cell phones in movies... truly the greatest evil Pandora unleashed upon mankind. Prometheus help us all!
So Prometheus created Mankind? Huh, so THAT is why Frankenstein is ”The Modern Prometheus”! I always thought it had something to do with taking something only God was supposed to be able to do (fire/create life) and give that power to humanity to amorality muck around with.... my Idea was better, I am kind of sad now.
well it depens on where you read it could also have been Zeus
Watch their Extra Sci-Fi videos about Frankenstein and you might get a surprise.
Gray Scribe ooh, The Scientific Method!!! I buy it, carry on!
Prometheus has always been my favorite in the pantheon. He's so overlooked next to Hercules and others.
Something that always bothered me about Pandora's myth : she lets evil out by opening the box, but we still have hope because she closed the box. So what do we get ? Thing that are inside the box or things that are let out of the box ?
There are a _lot_ of versions of the myth. One I've heard that stuck with me is that we get the stuff inside the box, which was good, and Hope was the only thing she didn't spill. Another is that Hopelessness was what got trapped in the box. I'm not sure if that's because there were multiple Greek originals, or just one but it didn't make any sense to modern people.
It is because Zeus knew it would happen. As Hope is something that could conquer all evils. As it is hope that would drive a human to be better. And so when Pandora slammed the lid and locked away hope. She allowed Zeus to torment Humans. To control them. To make sure that he was the center or their believes. Zeus was a total jerk like that.
Because hope is something you can hold, or lose, by own decision. You can't control death and misery, but you can choose to keep hope or be without it.
She went to close the box, but because only Hope was left, she didn't.
one interpretation i read was that instead, she was able to grab one evil and shove it back into the box. and this one evil was precognition, the ability to see the future as it would inevitably happen. With this evil locked up still, humanity would have hope by default, as we would be blissfully ignorant of our own future, rather then wallowing in grief and misery at what we knew would eventually come to pass.
“We will find out your secrets through torture, Prometheus.”
“Are you sure about that?”
Even I can see the continuity gaffs with these stories.
Blame the ancient Greeks
And all of this, so that thousands of years later, a man named Ridley Scott can title a rather confusing sci-fi movie in his honour.
EpiMEtheus, not Epithemeus
This bothered me a lot
This story and your voice are a devine combo
You did make one mistake: You went by the roman name of one of the gods while using the greek names of all of the other gods (you called Heracles by his more famous name Hercules).
chatotalks like who cares
well it is actually significant. The big enemy Heracles faced through his entire life was Hera. So to try to appease her, he was named HERAcles. Calling him Hercules kinda removes alot of what makes him such an interesting character that's talked about to this day.
@@semiautothanoscar9612
People who care about Mythology
Dont sweat it, im just making an ass of my self.
Dont take me seriously.
I don't take it as a "mistake' so much as going with the more popular pronunciation. People tend to forget these are done for the mass audience and not just the niche crowd, which is why they have over 1 million subs.
i'm pretty sure these guys are well aware of the difference.
“Give -this- man -an axe- fire!”
Zeus: Okay screw you actually
“Oh did i say that out loud?”
I've read his name was Epimetheus, not Epithemeus.
I'm less than a minute into this and I've learned that Epimetheus is like a game modder.
"DUDE! You know what would be awesome? If like, on Earth, there were these bears with a ton of strength. And these snake things that had poison..."
Hang on if men are made after the age of heroes, then what kind of species are heroes, since aren't they half gods and half men?
Jonathan Faber if you were to make a greek mythology time you will ALWAYS find contradictions. Greek religion was not really centralized so each region had their own version of the tales.
Hell just follow the confusing and ungodly (eh?) timeline of Dionysus. I’m pretty sure the guy’s older than the rest of the Pantheon by a WIIIDE margin
The tales are many, and the internal cronological consistensies are few. We shall have to deal, I fear.
The origin of mankind is one of the least-consistent parts of Greek mythology. Even the Greeks couldn't sort it all out; there was this one philosopher who tried to make sense of it by saying there were multiple successive human races, each created by a completely different method.
There were multiple ages of man. The Age of Heroes was part of several ages and the men of that time died out and went to Elysium. After they died out a new age, the Age of Iron, was born and that is the current one.
Who these humans were before was unclear, but they were the heroes and people talked about in the myths.
Thank you, Prometheus
Poor Epimetheus getting his name butchered so many times. :(
;( haha...yes it is butchered often
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."