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That dial thing is a air freshener. Official refills are expensive, but you can take it out and put a couple drops of whatever fragrance you like on the sponge thing
Clearly it depends what you paid for C3 but given the great work your daughter has done getting it cleaned up, I’d say it was worth a new used gearbox. Definitely a Citroen air fresher in the dash top box. Great video .
I know one of the common problems with this car and 1.6 HDi engine is the gear linkage cables can wear quite quickly but I am sure I have seen brand new replacements for around £30 on ebay. Could be worth changing before a new gear box.
I have driven Citroens for years and recently purchased a C3 Picasso, couldn't be happier, it's a very comfortable and solid car to drive, even after over 3k miles in under 3 months
I’d never in a million years put a pressure washer or a hose near my engine bay. Spray on some APC, leave it for 5 mins and then wipe with a microfibre
Good video and good to see you have your daughter on board , it would be good to see more young ladies getting involved with the trade and getting an apprenticeship.👍
They wont do it lol trust me my uni course was shut down because they saved 75% of the seats to mainly look at getting women into the fields, the ones that did didnt last to dirty to hard all went to women studies social studies etc so they stopped the course it cost me thousands spoke to the professor last three years its happened so stopping men going into trades
Just remembered Lee from CarUk saying something about the C4 Picasso starting to break up around the 10year mark seeing it's the younger Picasso I'd think the same rule applies
I was on one of those schemes to. Mine was at a swimming pool where I was taken on. Changed profession and now coming up to retirement. Those were the days.
That was a removable air freshener that you found in the dash top cubby. The DS3's have them as well, you just push in and then unscrew anti-clockwise. Can be had in different flavours.
@@ChopsGarage or do what I do and get a little bit of liquid scent, a few drops into the sponge reinvigorates it, no need to keep buying replacements :)
Great video, depending on what car and clutch replacement cost will determine what to do, a bit of a shame gearbox fault was not known for obvious reasons as could have done gbox replacement at the same time and saved on labour costs at least.
I would have a good used gearbox fitted. It's a pity it wasn't known about as there would have been less labour costs if done with the clutch . I am not a car dealer so I am partially guided by sentiment. Just had my car fixed with a similar problem. Cheers Paul.
I loved my C3 Picasso it was a great car and quite big inside. Brooke is definitely a stunning worker I hope you’re paying her the full going rate?! The lipstick in the top cubby hole is an air freshener. I had a Fiat scudo that did that on gear changing I managed perfectly well by just letting rev die down when going in to 3rd and double declutching going down. It lasted over 100k like that!
I live in France so we have loads of Citroëns about. Two of the 3 best cars I have ever had are Citroëns - a Saxo diesel and my present C4 diesel. The other was a Fiat 127. Much better value for money than their more expensive Peugeot cousins. The only weak spot I have found is the paintwork which eventually starts flaking off around welds and mouldings, but the undercoat is incredible so they avoid rust. If I ever buy another car (I hope not as my C4 2006 coupé is too beautiful to give up) it will probably be a Citroën.
I'd have thought passing it on within the trade now you have done the clutch, must be £150 profit in it for you now you have defined the work it needs... Perfect car for someone within the trade who can do the gearbox/paint themselves and retail it. Walk away with something and move on to something with a worthwhile margin in it for the hours of your time committed.
@@foppo100 Car electric connections are not IP rated or the cars would be even more expensive, they are designed to keep moisture off the connection but not make them pressure washer proof.
The garage that took it in PE must have paid buttons perhaps £200 as a token. I got that from a Ford main dealer in 2006 for my 1991 Escort that was full MOT and drove perfectly. Bit of body rot , yes.. They would have driven it and found that issue. Looks repairable to me if you find a scrapper gearbox.
To borrow a phrase from Rob at Salvage Rebuilds UK, it needs 'a brand new 2nd hand' gearbox. Mind you, when this Citroën is done, it'll make a great family car for a hard up family on a tight budget.
I fast forward through on every single channel that features them. I appreciate they sponsor channels and it's their duty of them to plug them. But legally it should be law to say that other services are available - the proliferation of CV ads on so many car UA-cam channels is an instant turn off to using them.
@Gazzxy you can get a lot of information for free by doing a dvla mot check and looking at the old mot history and mileage. Personally at this point I'd then decided if it was worth paying for the crash damage check.
@@chrispeacocks836 Yes you have say it's a paid promotion - but it's touted on channels as if it's the one and only option to check a cars history - which if you aren't clued up in such matters - which are the customers CV are baiting you wouldn't know anything better or cheaper
My father has a C3 picasso and he's had it since 2016 and it's been a solid and reliable car, my parents own a house in France and it's a great motorway driver and gives excellent diesel milage and they usually drive to the house in France around 3 time's a year with no incidents.
You’re obviously going to change the gearbox, everyone knows that You don’t have much choice after forking out for the clutch If you got it for a decent price, there is surely still a profit in it, as like the rest of your cars, it will go out looking great
Done a good job cleaning it. I was just wanting to put a fan nozzle on that pressure washer and please tell me she don't use the brush in the engine on the bodywork 😢
If you bought it cheap, because you took a punt, it might be worth sticking a gearbox in it. Bodywork looks solid, engine sounds good and they sound like good sellers
Did you do a pre mot test on it ? If it looks favourable then get a "new second hand" gearbox for it and then its good to go . Its a 12 year old car with 82k on it so should sell on ok i would think.
I've been thinking about this, and a couple of things I would consider. Is the gear linkage set up correctly, it's not unknown for Peugeot/Citroën ones getting sloppy and out of spec. Secondly, I would change the gearbox oil as the viscosity will breakdown overtime. I personally have had good results with Castrol fully synthetic gear oil. Castrol call their additive in it Synthetic Drive Technology. Many oils meeting the spec GL4 which relates to the C3's gearbox won't necessarily be fully synthetic with nice slippery additives, so hence why from experience I recommend the synthetic Castrol ones. Autodoc list it as CASTROL SYNTRANS, TRANSAXLE 1557BD Transmission fluid 75W-90. Sometimes it takes a few miles to get all that new slipperiness clinging to all the right places. It's worth a shot!?
I use cif, tfr and fairy liquid on mucky cars, cif cuts tru most things and gives it a shine, pressure wash everything, did an interior of a builders van a while ago with a pressure washer, door cards, seats.
Back in the day we got loads of Talbots in, every one had a crunchy box like that, used to whip em out and get them rebuilt. Alpines, solaras, horizons.
@@ChopsGarage great mate, ebc888c, had it when I was 18 in the 80s,270 quid and blew it up first day, fitted a holbay 1725 engine with twin 40 webbers on, buzzed off to the south of France in it and stayed a bit,
@@ChopsGarage I've had original alpine, 1965 and loads of those Talbot ones, rattling engines and crunchy boxes, you'd give 80 quid for one, chuck a box on it, big stripe and chrome wheel arch trim, up on the pitch 995.
@@owensteele1645 yes bud, bought my girlfriend one, y reg in blue, you could always tell it was her with the rattling engine, all those Talbots had bad boxes, it was standard.
What margin would you have trading it on? Obviously not looked after so what other abused parts are about to fail? Worthwhile doing the cleanup though. Bit concerned at the high pressure of the jet wash on the engine - FWIW I leave the engine running so if it stops suddenly I know to stop spraying immediately!
There a scuttle panel that you take off on drivers side and clean out as when it blocks up water leaks in above the pedals James thought that you would like to know as it's been sitting for quite a while 👍
Shame about the box, but you really should use the lightest force when jet washing an engine. I guess it depends on what you paid for it, and your profit margins, seems a shame to let it go.
You might want to check in the drawer under the passenger seat for the service book, glove box is next to useless. Great cars though, very practice and economical, a modern day 2CV IMO. Although the gearbox never was strong point in them, even when new.
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I can’t believe that car is only 11 years old and it has all those issues. Beginning to think I’m the only person who fixes things on his car when they go wrong. It’s such a shame that’s a great little car if properly looked after.
Could be dmf wobbling and not clearing making it notchy into gear, take some off the carpet out with a blade to give the clutch pedal a bit more downness (!) to see if it changes, on diesels I always go for full dmf clutch kit as it rarely works without it, or a solid conversion, had a yetti the other week, bad box and rattling flywheel, slipping clutch, gearbox guy I use said rebuilt box, new clutch, dmf £1100 quid, drive in, drive out. Unfortunately that might be where your at. Bad clutches on diesels are a nightmare, got one for a little alto the other week £60 quid, 100 quid to fit, cheap as on little petrols.
Do you think the dodgy clutch might have been as a result of driving the car with a dodgy gearbox? My opinion is ‘you’ve started so you’ll finish’. You mentioned these cars fly off the shelf with a new MOT, it will cost £500 ish to replace the gearbox. I think the car will fetch you £500 more as a retail sale, then what you would get if you sold it on as trade. I know if needs to fetch more than this, to compensate for guarantee and dealing with the customer etc, but I think it will cover this. In my analysis I have completed ignored what the car owes you. Now the car is yours, it’s all about revenue and further expenditure.
I would assume when you bought the car you knew the clutch could be the start of the issues so paid accordingly. Get a used box and an MOT and it will sell itself.
My father-in-law has been a master mechanic at an independent shop that has been in the family since 1948. The shop specializes in high-end imports exotics and classic vehicles. My wife also works there and when I went to pick her up for lunch her father handed her an estimate and on the paperwork, there was a $90 charge for unspecified labor. When I asked her what it meant she said it meant that the mechanics had to clean the car before they could start working on it. The reason for the $90 charge? There was a dirty diaper jammed under the passenger seat of an Audi A8. She said none of the customers have ever questioned what the charge is for.
Now it's clean, tidy and drives half OK I'd just advertise it as it is, 995,hopefully you got it for 350,clutch 250 so there's a wage in it, I had one a few mths ago, steering rack or electric rack motor was noisy, I just advertised it cheap, told them about the fault and it went OK, very cheap alternative to a van, obviously if you paid more that ideas out the window, if you change slowly by the way it might not crunch, Mx5 mgb is very interesting.
My c3 Picasso 1.6hdi 2009 crunched down into gear 2 sometimes or missed it. Changed the gearbox oil Total Traxium Gear 8 75W-80 stuff with an additive stopped doing it. Did the same on a Renault Clio who would miss gear two when warm. They have ropey linkages on the top turret. They suffer from leaky injectors and failed *all were done on mine, drop links, top mounts are soft on these. It's due a cambelt if it's not been done. Check the exhaust shield next to the turbo ain't loose there designed by a sadist. Other things to look out for is water in the main fuse box due to blocked front drains, like many Renaults. Sometimes you can get a sticky clutch on a aircon pump, other then that it's the go old jet pump for the washers but there like £10 and 10 mins to fit. Common french diesel stuff. Mine currently has a knock on the front end from the exhaust shield mentioned and a possible strut top mount fail, as it comes and goes. And goes away at speed. Also had a clutch two years ago and the bearings already gone noisey, but I think it might be a symptom of all three struggling at once, shift down to two, ropey linkage and old man using clutch before me. I've told the missus who drives it, if it starts missing the odd gear again the clutch gets replaced, as I don't like french diesels like a weak clutch plate/release bearing. My good old Corollas had a noisey clutch bearing for 7 years :D Have one more noise from a bearing on the belt side but that's for another day. Managed to get it for £1500 during this current climate of car buying from a friend who has a garage (doesn't sell cars) New Cambelt and clutch 2k miles ago. New rear discs and pads New wheel bearing on front right New bottom Arm New Caliper on the front So if it needs a new clutch, there's no dual mass I believe on the 2009 I'd call that a winner.
@@Adam2050 fuse box got water logged, there's a printed circuit in there, tried drying it but didn't work, they're coded to the car so getting a used one wouldn't have worked, so it went for scrap, it came in p ex cheap enough so didn't loose too much, thought me to keep away from fuse boxes tho.
@@ChopsGarage that's handy anyway, that engines bad for turbo failure if oil feeds not kept clean with correct low ash oil, which looking at it, it won't have, it's got such a bad rep turbo companies won't warranty a re con turbo, done quite a few of them.
These cars don't have a great reputation for reliability but a new box with the new clutch should see it trundle on for a few years relatively trouble free (🤞).
I pressure wash every engine, people think there's something wrong with it if it's mucky, I've had em moaning about the slightest mark, I do underneath as well, daft but it's how your customers are.
How do you manage a client who wants to bring a car back in 30 days period from the sale ? When you know they been driving the car and add another owner on the v5 because you already put it into their name?
Law says you've just got to stand it, no allowance for use or miles in first 30 days, I had one had to travel 325 miles for it, she didn't give me the current v5, car was scruffy, flat battery, parked on a bit of grass, court said all she had to do was make the car available, then to cap it all she wouldn't tell the court I'd paid so nearly ended up with a ccj against me. It's a nightmare when things go wrong.
@@ChopsGarageeven 10 years ago 10 year old cars were not a grand say 2018 selling a 08 plate it would have been 2995, even in the 80s say 1989 I'd have a 78 marina up at a grand, when a grand was a grand, I bet that grand in 89 is like 4k now.
Depends how much are you wanting for it and how much you bought it for. Are you close to breaking even if you sell it with a new gearbox etc? Also can another gearbox be trusted? Because if it broke down due to the gearbox it could work out really expensive. If you were a private seller it would be fine coz no come back.
Also, let that be a lesson to all…if you’d of had the gearbox checked, and not gone by the dealers recommendation of a clutch, would of saved you £250…a bit to eager to turn a profit Mr.Chops, lol. A very good clean up though!
@@ChopsGarage I once drove from Paris in a 2 cv mate, wouldn't go into gear, so into first started it on the starter and crashed the gears thru, got back OK,
@@ChopsGarage had a mechanic check it over first? Anyway, clutch probably needed doing anyway. Thought it would of saved you a few quid. I had a bad crunchy gearbox on a bipper van. Was told it was the broken gearbox or clutch…luckily had a second opinion, turned out to be bad linkage. Do these Citroens have plastic ball joint and clip for the gear shift mechanisms, like the pugs?
These sell well so after already doing the clutch l would lookat a refurbished or a good 2nd hand gear box All this also depends on what you paid for the car l would do it even with a small return 😊
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That dial thing is a air freshener. Official refills are expensive, but you can take it out and put a couple drops of whatever fragrance you like on the sponge thing
Yeh essential oils work well too.
Cheers
That was SO satisfying watching all that crud come off with the jet wash!
Yes it was!
Clearly it depends what you paid for C3 but given the great work your daughter has done getting it cleaned up, I’d say it was worth a new used gearbox. Definitely a Citroen air fresher in the dash top box. Great video .
Or as Rob from Salvage Rebuilds UK would phrase it, 'a brand new 2nd hand' gearbox.
No profit in it whatsoever 😢
I love you guys in England getting a "same day" MoT. Here in Northern Ireland the next available appointment is the end of September - 6 weeks away!
I know one of the common problems with this car and 1.6 HDi engine is the gear linkage cables can wear quite quickly but I am sure I have seen brand new replacements for around £30 on ebay. Could be worth changing before a new gear box.
Got one of these on a 62 plate. Absolute tank, sailing along on 184,000 miles so far
trade it out james theyre nothing but trouble! we had 6 of them at work, and the gearboxes broke, turbos went, fuses and bulbs constantly blowing!
Old Shitroens, er sorry, Citroens are normally more trouble than they're worth. They make Range Rovers look rock solid reliable.....
I have driven Citroens for years and recently purchased a C3 Picasso, couldn't be happier, it's a very comfortable and solid car to drive, even after over 3k miles in under 3 months
My brother has one of these and he loves it.Always thought it was the C4 which gave all the trouble and these things just soldier on.
@@swatchoclock-ec6fg On my second one both towed light weight caravans no problems .
What a pity that the gearbox problem wasn’t identified before the clutch was done. You did say beforehand that the box was crunching.
You’re braver than me, I never jet wash my engine 😂
You get used to it doing 2
3 a day lol
I love the C3 Picasso, it's a great driver if it's running properly!!
Correct
It might start now all the engine electronics have been soaked.
I'd like to do that to the engine of my Rover 75 but l'm too nervous of frying the electrics 😅
@@roverenderalligator9104 do it they are rubbish anyhow
I’d never in a million years put a pressure washer or a hose near my engine bay. Spray on some APC, leave it for 5 mins and then wipe with a microfibre
@@chucky2316 Yeah, 200,000 miles & I'm still waiting for proof of that. Haters will hate 🤣
@roverenderalligator9104 I just bought a 75, what a great car 👍
Amazing what a clean up can do. Looks 100 times better good work young chops 👍
Cheers
Good video and good to see you have your daughter on board , it would be good to see more young ladies getting involved with the trade and getting an apprenticeship.👍
They wont do it lol trust me my uni course was shut down because they saved 75% of the seats to mainly look at getting women into the fields, the ones that did didnt last to dirty to hard all went to women studies social studies etc so they stopped the course it cost me thousands spoke to the professor last three years its happened so stopping men going into trades
Just remembered Lee from CarUk saying something about the C4 Picasso starting to break up around the 10year mark seeing it's the younger Picasso I'd think the same rule applies
Your description of dealers do is spot on. In my experience
Are you an old granny?
Always love a bit of valeting. I spent a Summer doing that for a car fleet in 1986. YTS scheme, no less! £27.30 a week!
I was on one of those schemes to. Mine was at a swimming pool where I was taken on. Changed profession and now coming up to retirement.
Those were the days.
Lol ideal
4:34 skips the initial and Car Vertical waffle.
That was a removable air freshener that you found in the dash top cubby. The DS3's have them as well, you just push in and then unscrew anti-clockwise. Can be had in different flavours.
Ah cheers
@@ChopsGarage or do what I do and get a little bit of liquid scent, a few drops into the sponge reinvigorates it, no need to keep buying replacements :)
You've got it driving now and cleaned it up - trade it out
Think it’s a air freshener in the dash on the c3 Picasso 👍
That’s what I thought too.
Yeah, I had a thing like that in a DS3, you can get a variety of flavours / smells etc. The end of it pokes into the air trunking.
Yep. Refills for it are about twenty quid from a main dealer!
that wash brilliant job.u started so try and finish get 2nd hand gearbox and touch up that has making of nice little car
Excellent job Brooke Bravo...!
Thank you!!
What a dirty filthy car.
Makes me wonder why some folk like running around in a skip.
What a Fiat?
Great video, depending on what car and clutch replacement cost will determine what to do, a bit of a shame gearbox fault was not known for obvious reasons as could have done gbox replacement at the same time and saved on labour costs at least.
Definitely worth a second hand gearbox.. Good little seller the C3. Very reliable engine that's found in many car manufacturers models.
They do sell well
I would have a good used gearbox fitted. It's a pity it wasn't known about as there would have been less labour costs if done with the clutch . I am not a car dealer so I am partially guided by sentiment. Just had my car fixed with a similar problem. Cheers Paul.
Cheers Paul
I loved my C3 Picasso it was a great car and quite big inside. Brooke is definitely a stunning worker I hope you’re paying her the full going rate?! The lipstick in the top cubby hole is an air freshener. I had a Fiat scudo that did that on gear changing I managed perfectly well by just letting rev die down when going in to 3rd and double declutching going down. It lasted over 100k like that!
@@Theeternalpondererwhat into third? Drama queen 😂
Oh you set something off there Barry lol
I live in France so we have loads of Citroëns about. Two of the 3 best cars I have ever had are Citroëns - a Saxo diesel and my present C4 diesel. The other was a Fiat 127. Much better value for money than their more expensive Peugeot cousins. The only weak spot I have found is the paintwork which eventually starts flaking off around welds and mouldings, but the undercoat is incredible so they avoid rust. If I ever buy another car (I hope not as my C4 2006 coupé is too beautiful to give up) it will probably be a Citroën.
Love a 127
I'd have thought passing it on within the trade now you have done the clutch, must be £150 profit in it for you now you have defined the work it needs... Perfect car for someone within the trade who can do the gearbox/paint themselves and retail it.
Walk away with something and move on to something with a worthwhile margin in it for the hours of your time committed.
Yes think that's plan
LOL. What a statement, clock is right so the battery hasn't been disconnected
Best thing to do is sell it back into the trade or it will come back and bite you, you don't pressure wash car electronics!
@@foppo100 Car electric connections are not IP rated or the cars would be even more expensive, they are designed to keep moisture off the connection but not make them pressure washer proof.
The garage that took it in PE must have paid buttons perhaps £200 as a token. I got that from a Ford main dealer in 2006 for my 1991 Escort that was full MOT and drove perfectly. Bit of body rot , yes.. They would have driven it and found that issue. Looks repairable to me if you find a scrapper gearbox.
Buyers don't let you get them that cheap theses days
To borrow a phrase from Rob at Salvage Rebuilds UK, it needs 'a brand new 2nd hand' gearbox. Mind you, when this Citroën is done, it'll make a great family car for a hard up family on a tight budget.
Lol
thankyou James,a very impressive before and after clean,,,I have in the past washed down a couple of engines but it didnt end very well 😭😰
Lol, got to be careful
I like cars no more than 4 years old. No mileage.No messing about, no expense. Makes life so happy😂
Brooke deserves double pay for cleaning that citreon up
I hate car vertical adverts
overpriced for me they somthing like slightly over twice the price of similar services...
I fast forward through on every single channel that features them. I appreciate they sponsor channels and it's their duty of them to plug them. But legally it should be law to say that other services are available - the proliferation of CV ads on so many car UA-cam channels is an instant turn off to using them.
@Gazzxy you can get a lot of information for free by doing a dvla mot check and looking at the old mot history and mileage.
Personally at this point I'd then decided if it was worth paying for the crash damage check.
@@byronmills5952 I thought UA-cam videos had to display paid promotion or something
@@chrispeacocks836 Yes you have say it's a paid promotion - but it's touted on channels as if it's the one and only option to check a cars history - which if you aren't clued up in such matters - which are the customers CV are baiting you wouldn't know anything better or cheaper
My father has a C3 picasso and he's had it since 2016 and it's been a solid and reliable car, my parents own a house in France and it's a great motorway driver and gives excellent diesel milage and they usually drive to the house in France around 3 time's a year with no incidents.
I find them reliable
You’re obviously going to change the gearbox, everyone knows that
You don’t have much choice after forking out for the clutch
If you got it for a decent price, there is surely still a profit in it, as like the rest of your cars, it will go out looking great
Done a good job cleaning it. I was just wanting to put a fan nozzle on that pressure washer and please tell me she don't use the brush in the engine on the bodywork 😢
If you bought it cheap, because you took a punt, it might be worth sticking a gearbox in it. Bodywork looks solid, engine sounds good and they sound like good sellers
Very true
It might just be that the gear linkage needs adjusting. The cables could have slipped in their clamps.
Would that effect all gears or can it be just third ?
@@derekfleming3095 it can just affect 3rd. Less likely, but worth checking first before buying a used gearbox and all the hard work of swapping it.
@@steve0680657 ok fair enough. Strange set up if it can only affect 1 gear. Why are things so complicated nowadays
amazing how good your cars are looking now you have someone who knows what they are doing 😂
Oh dear
i would hope you know i am joking 😉@@ChopsGarage
Can I bring my car over for Brooke to have a look at? She does a brilliant job. I'm just in the next county east.
She is expensive lol
Did you do a pre mot test on it ? If it looks favourable then get a "new second hand" gearbox for it and then its good to go . Its a 12 year old car with 82k on it so should sell on ok i would think.
No not yet
I've been thinking about this, and a couple of things I would consider. Is the gear linkage set up correctly, it's not unknown for Peugeot/Citroën ones getting sloppy and out of spec. Secondly, I would change the gearbox oil as the viscosity will breakdown overtime. I personally have had good results with Castrol fully synthetic gear oil. Castrol call their additive in it Synthetic Drive Technology. Many oils meeting the spec GL4 which relates to the C3's gearbox won't necessarily be fully synthetic with nice slippery additives, so hence why from experience I recommend the synthetic Castrol ones. Autodoc list it as CASTROL SYNTRANS, TRANSAXLE 1557BD Transmission fluid 75W-90. Sometimes it takes a few miles to get all that new slipperiness clinging to all the right places. It's worth a shot!?
I use cif, tfr and fairy liquid on mucky cars, cif cuts tru most things and gives it a shine, pressure wash everything, did an interior of a builders van a while ago with a pressure washer, door cards, seats.
Another good video James 🚗🚙🚘⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👏👏👏
Thanks 👍
Back in the day we got loads of Talbots in, every one had a crunchy box like that, used to whip em out and get them rebuilt. Alpines, solaras, horizons.
Mum had Alpine
@@ChopsGarage great mate, ebc888c, had it when I was 18 in the 80s,270 quid and blew it up first day, fitted a holbay 1725 engine with twin 40 webbers on, buzzed off to the south of France in it and stayed a bit,
@@ChopsGarage I've had original alpine, 1965 and loads of those Talbot ones, rattling engines and crunchy boxes, you'd give 80 quid for one, chuck a box on it, big stripe and chrome wheel arch trim, up on the pitch 995.
My sister's first car was a 1985 Samba Style. Very graunchy 'box.
@@owensteele1645 yes bud, bought my girlfriend one, y reg in blue, you could always tell it was her with the rattling engine, all those Talbots had bad boxes, it was standard.
What margin would you have trading it on? Obviously not looked after so what other abused parts are about to fail? Worthwhile doing the cleanup though. Bit concerned at the high pressure of the jet wash on the engine - FWIW I leave the engine running so if it stops suddenly I know to stop spraying immediately!
Yes I do loads got away with it so far, will get me 1 day
Brooke has done a lovely job on it. Seems a shame to let it go. But as always do you have time to do it
Exactly
@ChopsGarage and thats the thing isn't it. There are other cars that can be prepared for sale so much easier.
Gearbox James!! Oil change 1st make a difference.still have fiat ba
Yes
There a scuttle panel that you take off on drivers side and clean out as when it blocks up water leaks in above the pedals James thought that you would like to know as it's been sitting for quite a while 👍
Cheers
Looking at the state of the alloys and relatively low mileage, it's been ragged.
Stick a 2nd hand good box in and it'll be a cracking car for someone
Yes
I would put a gear box in still got plenty of life in it all so I think that silver button is a Citroen air fresher
Had a Citroen dispatch van with same engine and box. Done the exact same thing in 3rd so i changed the gearbox oil and problem completely vanished.
Shame about the box, but you really should use the lightest force when jet washing an engine. I guess it depends on what you paid for it, and your profit margins, seems a shame to let it go.
Does a bit
They should have checked the gearbox and linkages first then the clutch while they had it in bits but well worth getting it all fixed
It's bad syncro no doubting that
Simple question chops.. what did u get it for? Then ppl can determine if its worth your while or not..
Yikes. It was a C3 Picasso that gave me all the DPF grief. It's back up for sale now on Cazoo.
Why didn’t you remove it and map it o it zero issues there after
@@Mr330d why should I? Buy a car with a major fault and the seller doesn’t even respond. Rejected it.
Service history will be in Citroens computer system if it was dealer serviced so, you should be able to get a copy of it.
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Enjoyed video. I didn’t think you should power wash engine. Have you ever had problems doing it or is it ok?
Id never say its ok, but I only had an issue once
You might want to check in the drawer under the passenger seat for the service book, glove box is next to useless. Great cars though, very practice and economical, a modern day 2CV IMO. Although the gearbox never was strong point in them, even when new.
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I'd love z video on every aspect of the tidy up of this Citroen
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VisionPrestige Channel suggests dont use wheel acid on alloys as long term use can damage. I think there was another product on a specific vid he recommended
It's OK if you rinse off throughly
I can’t believe that car is only 11 years old and it has all those issues. Beginning to think I’m the only person who fixes things on his car when they go wrong. It’s such a shame that’s a great little car if properly looked after.
Could be dmf wobbling and not clearing making it notchy into gear, take some off the carpet out with a blade to give the clutch pedal a bit more downness (!) to see if it changes, on diesels I always go for full dmf clutch kit as it rarely works without it, or a solid conversion, had a yetti the other week, bad box and rattling flywheel, slipping clutch, gearbox guy I use said rebuilt box, new clutch, dmf £1100 quid, drive in, drive out. Unfortunately that might be where your at. Bad clutches on diesels are a nightmare, got one for a little alto the other week £60 quid, 100 quid to fit, cheap as on little petrols.
Single mass flywheel on this
@@Mr330d OK, it's the box synchro then.
Do you think the dodgy clutch might have been as a result of driving the car with a dodgy gearbox?
My opinion is ‘you’ve started so you’ll finish’.
You mentioned these cars fly off the shelf with a new MOT, it will cost £500 ish to replace the gearbox.
I think the car will fetch you £500 more as a retail sale, then what you would get if you sold it on as trade.
I know if needs to fetch more than this, to compensate for guarantee and dealing with the customer etc, but I think it will cover this.
In my analysis I have completed ignored what the car owes you. Now the car is yours, it’s all about revenue and further expenditure.
I would assume when you bought the car you knew the clutch could be the start of the issues so paid accordingly. Get a used box and an MOT and it will sell itself.
Yes assume clutch not box as well unfortunately
Great video James BTW how is the focus estate? any thoughts yet
I used it for couple days got it dirty lol. Need to clean it for vid. It's great car , family wagon but dad's toy at same time
I think you should sell the car for a price which reflects the condition and age of the car. But factor in the cost of a replacement gearbox.
My father-in-law has been a master mechanic at an independent shop that has been in the family since 1948.
The shop specializes in high-end imports exotics and classic vehicles.
My wife also works there and when I went to pick her up for lunch her father handed her an estimate and on the paperwork, there was a $90 charge for unspecified labor. When I asked her what it meant she said it meant that the mechanics had to clean the car before they could start working on it. The reason for the $90 charge? There was a dirty diaper jammed under the passenger seat of an Audi A8.
She said none of the customers have ever questioned what the charge is for.
It's an air freshener in the top glove box James
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Did you fix it ??
I would definitely re check on that clutch as I'm pretty sure it's got the dmf on it
Single mass on the 90BHP models
@Mr330d ok I didn't know it was the 90 thought it was the 110
No single
Good job Brook sell the c3 Picasso as spares or repair the Vauxhall zafiras cach fire did you have the reecal done
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Those Grannies are the daughters of the 1970 and 80's hang yer handbag on the choke gang!
Love the videos. But your playing with fire pressure washing that engine bay
We do about 2 or 3 a day bud, 100s of cars only had issue once
If the crunch is only on third gear would there be any way of refurbishing the current gearbox instead of buying a different box?
No more expensive than used
Now it's clean, tidy and drives half OK I'd just advertise it as it is, 995,hopefully you got it for 350,clutch 250 so there's a wage in it, I had one a few mths ago, steering rack or electric rack motor was noisy, I just advertised it cheap, told them about the fault and it went OK, very cheap alternative to a van, obviously if you paid more that ideas out the window, if you change slowly by the way it might not crunch, Mx5 mgb is very interesting.
My c3 Picasso 1.6hdi 2009 crunched down into gear 2 sometimes or missed it. Changed the gearbox oil Total Traxium Gear 8 75W-80 stuff with an additive stopped doing it. Did the same on a Renault Clio who would miss gear two when warm. They have ropey linkages on the top turret. They suffer from leaky injectors and failed *all were done on mine, drop links, top mounts are soft on these. It's due a cambelt if it's not been done. Check the exhaust shield next to the turbo ain't loose there designed by a sadist. Other things to look out for is water in the main fuse box due to blocked front drains, like many Renaults. Sometimes you can get a sticky clutch on a aircon pump, other then that it's the go old jet pump for the washers but there like £10 and 10 mins to fit. Common french diesel stuff.
Mine currently has a knock on the front end from the exhaust shield mentioned and a possible strut top mount fail, as it comes and goes. And goes away at speed. Also had a clutch two years ago and the bearings already gone noisey, but I think it might be a symptom of all three struggling at once, shift down to two, ropey linkage and old man using clutch before me. I've told the missus who drives it, if it starts missing the odd gear again the clutch gets replaced, as I don't like french diesels like a weak clutch plate/release bearing. My good old Corollas had a noisey clutch bearing for 7 years :D
Have one more noise from a bearing on the belt side but that's for another day.
Managed to get it for £1500 during this current climate of car buying from a friend who has a garage (doesn't sell cars)
New Cambelt and clutch 2k miles ago.
New rear discs and pads
New wheel bearing on front right
New bottom Arm
New Caliper on the front
So if it needs a new clutch, there's no dual mass I believe on the 2009 I'd call that a winner.
I pressure washed a megane fuse box, never ran again, had to scrap it.
@@roystonvehicles9129 ha sorry why :D
@@Adam2050 fuse box got water logged, there's a printed circuit in there, tried drying it but didn't work, they're coded to the car so getting a used one wouldn't have worked, so it went for scrap, it came in p ex cheap enough so didn't loose too much, thought me to keep away from fuse boxes tho.
Ues bonus no dmf
@@ChopsGarage that's handy anyway, that engines bad for turbo failure if oil feeds not kept clean with correct low ash oil, which looking at it, it won't have, it's got such a bad rep turbo companies won't warranty a re con turbo, done quite a few of them.
sounds like you need more then a second pair of hands so you can get your hands dirty when you end up buying a pup.
Seems worth doing the gearbox and then priceing it to reflect this. Otherwise trade it out declareing the gearbox issue.
Yep
These cars don't have a great reputation for reliability but a new box with the new clutch should see it trundle on for a few years relatively trouble free (🤞).
Air freshener in the top lid
I pressure wash every engine, people think there's something wrong with it if it's mucky, I've had em moaning about the slightest mark, I do underneath as well, daft but it's how your customers are.
Agreed
@@ChopsGarage pressure washers my main tool tbh mate.
FFS never power wash the engine bay on that power.
We do it every day 2 or 3 times a day
How do you manage a client who wants to bring a car back in 30 days period from the sale ? When you know they been driving the car and add another owner on the v5 because you already put it into their name?
Law says you've just got to stand it, no allowance for use or miles in first 30 days, I had one had to travel 325 miles for it, she didn't give me the current v5, car was scruffy, flat battery, parked on a bit of grass, court said all she had to do was make the car available, then to cap it all she wouldn't tell the court I'd paid so nearly ended up with a ccj against me. It's a nightmare when things go wrong.
Take it back , but discount mileage use and any damage plus re valet fee
@@ChopsGarage can't mate in first 30 days, been thru that, I'm proud to have out legaled you on this point bud (!)
I can remember 10year old cars were under a grand bit of a joke these days prices of old cars
Unfortunately still 10 years old. Price increase did not make them younger or more reliable
@@ChopsGarageeven 10 years ago 10 year old cars were not a grand say 2018 selling a 08 plate it would have been 2995, even in the 80s say 1989 I'd have a 78 marina up at a grand, when a grand was a grand, I bet that grand in 89 is like 4k now.
Depends how much are you wanting for it and how much you bought it for. Are you close to breaking even if you sell it with a new gearbox etc? Also can another gearbox be trusted? Because if it broke down due to the gearbox it could work out really expensive. If you were a private seller it would be fine coz no come back.
This is true
It's an air freshener in dash 👍
Should you really be power hosing under the bonnett?
I'd not recommend it but do it on all cars no issue
As people say bud, try new oil, maybe with some molyslip, if it's still available.
I always spend out and makes no difference. If it were marginal sure but this is bad
@@ChopsGarage double de clutch on way up, my first car had non syncro first, you could tutor the new owner, ha, ha.
Nice interesting stock.
Don't worry James will just find some spare sawdust to pour into the gearbox 😭😭. That'll fix enough to sell it!
Lol
Also, let that be a lesson to all…if you’d of had the gearbox checked, and not gone by the dealers recommendation of a clutch, would of saved you £250…a bit to eager to turn a profit Mr.Chops, lol. A very good clean up though!
He couldn't check the box as clutch had gone, don't think it would go into gear.
Not sure you listen to vid. How could you diagnose a bad box if car was undrivable?
@@ChopsGarage I once drove from Paris in a 2 cv mate, wouldn't go into gear, so into first started it on the starter and crashed the gears thru, got back OK,
@@ChopsGarage had a mechanic check it over first? Anyway, clutch probably needed doing anyway. Thought it would of saved you a few quid. I had a bad crunchy gearbox on a bipper van. Was told it was the broken gearbox or clutch…luckily had a second opinion, turned out to be bad linkage. Do these Citroens have plastic ball joint and clip for the gear shift mechanisms, like the pugs?
Do the gearbox and the bodywork as it will he a nice car
Paint will add to much cost unfortunately
@ChopsGarage that's a shame, I would do the gearbox and would try and sell it
How do Citroen rate for reliability and dependability in your country?
Middling I'd say. Better than BMW worse than Nissan
These sell well so after already doing the clutch l would lookat a refurbished or a good 2nd hand gear box All this also depends on what you paid for the car l would do it even with a small return 😊
Yes do sell well