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From a car dealer's perspective, I'd say you were right to take this one to the knacker's yard. From a youtuber's perspective, it would have been nice if you'd finished off the tale having had the engine problem(s) diagnosed and repair costs estimated. More comprehensive content.
Once that car tiptoed over 5 it was fucked. You're chasing money. Such a pity. I hate French cars. They are great looking and have mad ideas. But built quality is shit.
At £300 at that mileage with issues that bad to fix it you'd be throwing good money after bad and probably not even make a profit. Better just to scrap it...
I agree that it would have been interesting to hear what was wrong with the engine. This 1.6HDI engine (DV6) has also been used by Ford, Volvo Mazda, Mini, Suzuki and Vauxhall(Opel). It is actually one of the better diesels engines on the market -IF SEVICED PROPERLY. Unfortunately these sub £1k cars are treated like plastic bags: you get one when you need it and when it is full of trash, you throw it away and get another one. Very few want to put 25-50% of the cars value to a single service.
@@teabagtowers3823 You agree and I agree that, as a car dealer, Matt did the right thing in having the car scrapped. However, Matt is also a youtuber and by not having the engine problems diagnosed and repair costs estimated, there was good content missing from the video. I was not suggesting he have the car fixed.
Had a similar issue on my wife's Pug 208 with the same engine, and with basic diagnostics, I was able to fix the car for just £30. All I had to replace was the MAF sensor element rather than the complete assembly (roughly £90-£120 for Bosch item) The car presented itself with similar issues, lack of power, lack of boost from turbo and very slight smoke, even kangarooing occasionally. Now it drives perfectly.
@Pedro Daniel Lopes Ferreira Depends on what price range the car is in. The c5 and c6 are quality cars! And certainly the 2.0hdi. The French also have/had the better diesels and were years ahead of the Germans. But the build quality in the cheaper cars is sad...
@@richardjohnson3463 Would agree, I own a Renault Traffic van that as a family we have had for sixteen years. Almost 200 thousand miles from the 2.0 litre turbo diesel engine and it is still running well. Always serviced on time by a top mechanic who does the job properly and thoroughly and the engine and gearbox are superb. Been looked after and it has served very well.
Honestly, this car could have been saved. I owned a C3 Picasso, same year, for 6 years. I drove to Spain and back twice, drove to France and back, to Portugal and back, did deliveries in it to support myself during my degree, moved house in it a bunch of times. That car was my friend. I never had a single issue with it. I bought it used and serviced it on time, just the regular maintenance. I admit, it wasn't the most exciting to drive, but it was comfortable, very practical and economical. And not a bad looker, but looks are subjective. A very underrated car in my opinion.
I agree with you I have done the 500mi Scotland, and bought another with a friend and re-sell for profit, service it on time, take care of it... And that was a good profit in it probably with no much wrong with it... They are cheap to fix too and to run too!
A little sad that so many cars in generally good condition are scrapped due to high cost of parts and labour. This car actually looked quite nice to drive with good visibility - no massive A-posts in your line of vision like most modern cars.
I've had a Citroen grand c4 semi auto for 10 years without eney trouble due to it being serviced regularly. The diesel engines in the Citroens are bullet proof if there looked after with regular oil changes. Can't understand why your slating Citroens as there's thousands of Citroen owner in the uk that are happy with there motors. Great mpg, reliable,comfy and always feel refreshed after a long drive.
Probably stating the obvious here but when in an unfamiliar vehicle I always look at the fuel pump diagram on the dashboard and the arrows will indicate which side the filler cap is on. Great videos keep up the good work 👍👍
@@jrewillis wish I could post a photo here LOL There is no arrow on the Yaris, but my Ford Focus displays the nozzle on the fuel icon on the correct side.
I had both... the BMW and the C3 Picasso ... and I prefer by far the Citroen. It's fast enough and it has so much room while being really handy in cities.
My brother in law had a 15yr old 1989 Peugeot 405 with over 500k miles on it back in the day. 2 clutches, and a new turbo at 200k is all he had done. It was service every time on button by main dealer. Cars need maintenance. Look after them and they can go forever. One of the nicest cars to drive, ever.
More to do with it being a diesel used in urban city conditions more than anything else really, would be the same in a VW, Vauxhall or Ford. Diesel + City + Cheap cars with no maintenance is the worst combo imho.
on the fuel gauge there is usually a sign of a pump and next to it is a small arrow, left or right. I only found out last year that this is common on cars to tell you which side to fuel.
yep, I had hitched a ride with a friend the other day who was driving a replacement car as hers was being serviced... she wasn't sure which side the fuel cap was on. i told her this, and sure enough, the fuel icon had an arrow, and it pointed the right way 😁
Would have bern good to see your mechanics do a report/diagnostic on it, just to see what it would cost. There was a lot of spec on that car, may be a little hasty there.
What a shame for the poor thing Matt... Anyway, you parked it back in the exact spot I parked in when I came in to see you with my son Jamie last year lol... (Phil)
If your inexperienced with cars yeah you would….136,000 mile,no service history,with various issues(one likely a 4 figure bill,obvious what it is with black to white smoke) and very low coolant(shows the life it’s had)it’s obvious this cars at the end of its life.
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Thoses engines could last longer but so many people don't know how to use a turbo diesel: they don't wait oil pressure to build, they don't wait the engine to warm a bit, they rev it too high, too much city driving, they turn off the engine when the turbo is still spinning fast, they don't change oil every year etc. And I'm not even a big fan of French cars, I'm more into old Japanese gasoline cars.
Great video, Matt, so pleased that you are going to the real people end of the market sometimes, it is so helpful to find out what buying a cheaper car brings to the mix of car ownership. Great looking car, overall, but as always, modern diesels are horribly unreliable sometimes. Thank you.
My company has a Peugeot Partner which is on the same platform as that car. Over 200k km done and no problems 😀 I can't believe it! Good workhorse and HUGE inside! Gets great mpg! 👌🏻 And the best part? It's bought and paid for! Thanks for the video again!!
It's the thing with the 1.6hdi. treat it poorly, do a million miles a week in it, drive the nuts of it, and it'll run forever. Cosset it, just go to the shops and back and it'll be nothing but trouble.
"I bought a cheap Citroen for £300" to which my first reaction is "oh, I'm so sorry". If you look at the fuel gauge, you'll see a tiny arrow. That denotes what side the fuel filler is on.......just about all cars have the little arrow. Shitroen seems somehow appropriate. This one isn't worth spending a penny on. And you can take that two different ways....
Seems to good to scrap. I would fit a second hand power unit. I fitted a replacement engine to my 20 year old Nissan Micra and it goes like a bird. Excellent video. Thank you and Stay Safe.
I once had a C3 Picasso (executive version, large glass roof, 1.6hdi), nice car, very comfortable and very practical, in 2016 I left it at a Mazda garage when buying a new MX-5
Matt, I wish you’d been around when I was able to indulge my love of cars. And the internet too, I suppose 🤓 The nicest car I was ever able to afford was a VW Passat CC 2010. Really enjoyed it. I’m a pensioner now and living in a Motorhome; 1995 Auto Sleeper on a Transit base 😳 Ah, well. Love your stuff. Honest. 🤗 I mean it’s honest. You’re honest. All strength to you.
Next time try the Smashing pumpkins method before scrapping. In a city diesel, specially the new ones, the entire exhaust system gets clogged up. By using a full tank with your foot to the floor maintaining 3-4k rpm above 45mph, you have a chance to clean it up. Either that or the timing belt snaps or the injectors pop out. I would do that before scrapping it.
Great video Matt . The tale of woe with this one is obviously a sheer lack of servicing / maintenance; that 1.6HDi has to be serviced on the button with top grade oil. I’ll never understand why so many people just don’t have their cars serviced regularly …. Also manufacturers service intervals these days are ridiculously long in my view.
2006 bmw 320cd. ( had this car for 12yrs) service intervals every 20 thousand miles. ( fully synthetic oil) but I have religiously changed oil/oil filter every 10 thousand miles and full service every 20 thousand 😄. I, like you think manufacturers service intervals are ridiculous 🙄 👍👍
Can't stand long service intervals. I'm sure the manufacturers test to see what is the longest interval they can have to make the engine just make it to about 150,000 just so they claim it saves you on servicing costs rather than what is the appropriate service interval to make it last as long as possible. My car claims 20,000 or 2 years but I won't go above 1 year or about 8,000 on fully synthetic. For the sake of an afternoon on the driveway and £30, worth it to me.
I bought a 2003 03 reg C3 1.4 diesel in nov 2005. Had nearly 14000 miles back then. It now has 152400 miles & it passed its mot last month. Went to cornwall & back cruising doing 70 mpg. I got myself in a money mess a few years back but getting sorted now. So I've just kept this car & it goes on & on & on.. :)
Do you think the AA bloke in the van parked by your Citroen thought !!!!! I see a Citroen C3 Picasso, I`d better park here and wait a while might very well get a breakdown call very soon 😂😂
I'm not a hater in any way, and I enjoy your content immensely Matt. However, I strongly believe these cars (and indeed, most budget cars) are stereotyped a little unfairly, as surely, it's due to the poor maintenance, (or lack of it completely), that they're classed as rubbish. I come from a family where cars have always been well looked after, in good time, and we've never had any significant problems. My late Grandfather had a 1988 Renault 5 for 28 years! (And we still have it stored in a garage).
As you drive lots of different cars, it may help you to know, I learnt recently, that the fuel gauge on most cars has an arrow to show which side the filler is on. Enjoying your videos btw
I also love the E46 though you will need to watch the front wings for rust bubbles with earlier cars such as yours. With the Citroen, I might have taken the opportunity of the empty tank to put injector cleaner and just a little diesel to run it through the injection system. Even if you had to put a new CHRA in the turbo, it need not cost a fortune or it might just need some oven cleaner and an Italian tuneup !
Could you perhaps briefly explain how it usually works when you buy a car without even seeing it, where do they come from and if it’s from a contact do they not at least send you a photo?
I'm assuming, as he states it was part exchanged, someone who works for him at his business did actually see it. Therefore, this is not a random blind purchase, but he, himself, had not seen it or have sight of any other info when he films the video.
I drive c3 picasso 11 reg and apart of feeling old just past 40 (as all other users seem to be elderly couples in mid 80s) I am very happy with it. 1.6 diesel with bluetooth and cruise control, 60mpg and 30 tax. High seating position and fairly quick - not annoying at all. Being small base and still able to fetch several packs of insulation - can't fault it. Never had anything wrong in it after doing over 40k within 3 years. Really good car!!! 11:44 Shame on you as I actually produce soaps!!! And of course use them myself too!!!
Like you stated, the tax and mpg is a selling point on these. I changed jobs and had to travel a lot further so i bought myself a 1.6hdi xsara picasso and in 4 years apart from a new clutch it was perfect. I eventually got bored of it and ended up getting something a bit more fun
That HDi engine is in so many cars... and manufacturers- would prob' not have been an expensive fix... and that engine is a pretty hardy lump. I had the same in my previous car- a Focus- and in my car presently- a C3 Picasso- identical to this one lol !! Touch wood- mine's going perfectly... and I couldn't break the engine in the Focus either !! P.S- I do wash occasionally...
I have a 2012 208 with the 1.6 e-HDi (DV6 D I think) and it's been very good, but it's not a fan of supermarket fuel. It occasionally threw up an EML which I believe was a boost issue (I don't remember the code), but the car didn't drive any differently, and the error cleared itself after a while anyway. The easy solution was to fill up with normal diesel elsewhere.
That engine is perfectly fixable - probably. If everything else is reasonable at least investigate. C3 Picassos are roomy, comfortable, tardis dimensions inside, tons of boot space and their paint jobs last. Why dump it when the engine issue might be fixed easily?
I had the same thought, was a real shame. However MV60WVS isn’t currently showing as being scrapped, so doesn’t look like it went to the breakers yard. Perhaps, despite what was said in the video, it was sold as a trade sale. Given the bodywork, and overall condition I would be surprised if it was written off.
If you look at the fuel gauge on any car there is a picture of a fuel pump with an arrow by it to indicate which side has the filler cap, good tip I found
Buying old diesel cars is fine if you like driving a diesel, do a lot of miles and know how to fix them when they go wrong and get either parts from a breaker or recon units to fit yourself. They don’t go wrong constantly but yea when they do it’s not usually a cheap fix.
Actually went for a test drive in a 13reg recently off spec, not pre-arranged. Very comfy, quiet inside, felt solidly built and nice high seating position if you like. The 3 downsides. 1. Handbrake too low down, 2 crap storage and nothing in the centre, 3. Heavy clutch with high bite position. 09-17 reg regardless of care and service all seem to have same mot issues.
If you maintain the 1.6hdi engine properly they will do lots of miles , Our company has a few berlingo/partner vans some with 150k plus miles and they still run up and down the M6 really well, What a shame coz the rest of the car just needed a good clean.
I had to give up my C3 Picasso due to engine fault. Burning engine oil rapidly. Loved the car, it drove beautifully until the problem occurred and was revealed. The car was took back and went into liquidation. I now own the next model up.
Mine c4 grand picasso 1.6 hdi have done 340 000 km and for family car its still drives smoothly ,nothing breaks except regular wear and tear ,love it ❤
How the hell did you get that for $300 only? Are you having us on? How does one buy a car without knowing the model, condition, colour or anything other than the Brand? It is obvious that this could only have been gotten in an unusual trade. Regardless of the engine condition, I believe it was a good buy. I am sure you are connected with the prerequisite talents to put it right. Never even tried to find out why? A little challenge and you quit? You are not cut out for this job - you are more of a gambler.
Always enjoy your reviews they are great. When you were looking for the side the fuel filler cap was on why did you not look at the symbol on your dash. This tells you which side it fills on?
"C3 Picasso owners wouldn't know what soap is!" Cracked me up! Did the fuel gauge not have the usual little arrow indicating which side the filler cap is on? (Or did PSA cheap out on the ink???) 🤣
To be fair, £300 for a Citreon is about twice what it's worth! ⚠️😳😁 Edit- now I've watched the full video, at least that's one less French car on the UK roads to care about, going to a much better, well deserved place!⚠️😳😁
At the 13 minute mark the way to tell which side the fuel goes in. Is by looking at the fuel gauge- you will see a triangle in the middle of the gauge. Whichever side it is on is the side the fuel tank inlet is on any car.
I've had three C3 Picassos. Really liked the practicality and MPG but two of them developed really worrying behaviours. The first was a series of DPF issues. The third was due to random engine management stalls. The one in the middle got written-off by someone turning right in front of me; they were on a red light. Can't blame Citroen for that one.
Quite a run of bad luck there! Nice to see the Activa could come to the rescue. But this is exactly why I always have a modern small car that I can rely on and just works, one that I don't have to think about repairing and takes the pressure off my older cars - a C6, Saxo, 2 C5s, etc.
I would have liked to find out what was wrong with it before scrapping it. It did pass its MOT not that long ago. What if it turned out to be just a bad spark plug or coil pack?
I bought a Citroen Nemo Automatic to do my commuting to and from work and save the miles on my Cee'd. I ended up driving it everywhere and using it for the tip runs and moving furniture etc. I loved it and had it for ages. My daughter was on her way up country to see us for the weekend and some plonker on his mobile ran into the back of her when she was waiting to turn right writing off her old golf. I gave her the Citroen and two + years later she's still using it and driving up and down country with it no problem. It gets serviced annually which is probably right for the mileage she does. Super little car.
@@HighPeakAutos some of us only do around 3-4k per year mostly local, i have had to scrap tyres due to rot so no point buying mega expensive ones. Different of course if your up n down motorways doin the average 12k per yr
I know with C3 1.4 diesel the injectors were known to go & mine were done many years ago. The only problem I've had with engine. Also if say I only put £10 of diesel in then the gauge doesn't register it. If I put £15 in it will. Used to have a Peugeot 307 way back that had a similar 'design fault' with the fuel gauge. So you may have just not put enough fuel in. Really bad that you made the comment.. 'too many moments like this'. You paid a few hundred for it! Was pretty obvious there must be something wrong. Ps: I feel the same about german rubbish :)
Nice little car for someone who likes citroens(there are a few out there), was it not worth getting your local mechanic to plug in a diagnostic to see if it was something simple? Cheers Matt.
Chances are it’s had its day. 135k and smoking/driving like that it will be a turbo, injectors, egr, dpf maybe but whichever it is it won’t be worth the money to investigate and fix it.
I don’t mind French cars, under the bonnet they are Bosch, Valeo the same as everyone else. I wonder if the issues stem from the fact that people bought these diesels based on high mpg figures but didn’t do the miles a diesel needs not to choke up their emissions devices, and also cars at the budget end of the market don’t tend to be maintained with a view to longevity. Of all the new company cars I’ve had over the years the ones that have had the most garage time are VAG group and Ford. It doesn’t put me off them, just my experience. Great video and insight into the part ex market!
Good clip, and sound advice in some of the comments on saving this C3. Why isn’t it worth fixing? I do sense a little chip on shoulder re-French cars: as soon as it goes wrong, chuck it etc. On the other hand your review of the Citroen Cactus was positive and fun. Maybe a dispassionate (or not) “what I really think about French cars” video would work. Anyway, keep up the great videos.
Before scrapping it, I'd have pulled the injectors, my bet is they are clogged up. Check the air intake, again, it probably resembles a coal mine. Then change the oil and see what it does. edit: I wrote this before the injector noise. I think the engine would be salvageable if you could do the work your self, but not economical if you pay someone.
Last of the great BMWs (at least in America) was 2006. After that, the engines became horribly unreliable. Speaking of BMWs, that BMW 330 Diesel you got awhile ago for 500 is still a better bargain than this 300 paid Citroen. But, this one is right up there. [Just kidding.] Bit surprised about one thing. There's no tiny arrow on the gas gauge of the Citroen that points to which side of the vehicle the gas cap door is on? That's a bit odd.
I live near the BMW plant in the US. I'm super happy about the business and economic growth its brought. But never would I buy one. All the folks who work there I've talked to tell me to never buy one unless it's a lease or a company program like many employees do.
@@Conservator. It makes the X3 all the way to the big X7 currently. I believe it's the largest BMW plant in the world buy production and just sheer size. It has made the Z Series, a 3 series and a M4 in the middle of the 2000s.
With the PSA 1.6 HDi it is essential to change the oil at half the recommended miles using quality oil and an OE filter. Otherwise turbo failure will occur and simply changing out the turbo cassette will not fix it. The sump has to come off, pick up pipe replaced, turbo oil feed filter bolt replaced and an internal engine flush. If it's been driven any miles with a failed turbo, remove the crank shells and big ends to check for scoring there too. It's a big expensive repair. The high milers also suffer from injector seal failure resulting in a chuffing noise and a smell of diesel. Replacement injectors must be coded into the BSI too. This engine is used in all sorts, not just Peugeot Citroen, but also Ford and even Mini. If you own a 1.6 powered HDi change the oil every 6.000 miles without fail if you want it to live a long and happy life.
I admire the nous and personality of this channel. It taps into everyone’s interest who has ever bought a used car, which must be a large part of the British public. The presenter has his finger on the pulse and I would imagine this venture is quite a profitable little earner. Good luck to him.
Normally there's a little arrow on the fuel gauge pointing at the side of the car the petrol goes in! My old auntie showed me this, never noticed before :-)
What a shame I was hoping for a positive ending to this video , I was going to say "Result" , and you will never know if the problem was not as expensive to repair as you thought , just to get somebody's expert opinion wouldn't have cost a great deal , then you would have known if it was worth putting right or not to sell it on , at £300 I was thinking there has to be some profit in it .
Find it odd to blame Citroën in this circumstance. It's lasted 12 years and 130k and clearly had bugger all spent on it. Show me a car that would operate like new when subjected to that. If it was 5 years old with 40k on it..yeah but this has lived a hard life clearly and been punted on when that came back to bite.
Quick tip - all cars have A little arrow on the petrol pump icon on the gauge to show which side the fuel filler cap is. You learn something new every day?
Definitely a scrappers Matt, as soon as you opened the bonnet my heart sunk😂 the whole engine bay looked atrocious - amazing video again keep them coming. You could surely sell for £500 as a parts car though.
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From a car dealer's perspective, I'd say you were right to take this one to the knacker's yard. From a youtuber's perspective, it would have been nice if you'd finished off the tale having had the engine problem(s) diagnosed and repair costs estimated. More comprehensive content.
Once that car tiptoed over 5 it was fucked. You're chasing money. Such a pity. I hate French cars. They are great looking and have mad ideas. But built quality is shit.
Spoiler alert! :D
At £300 at that mileage with issues that bad to fix it you'd be throwing good money after bad and probably not even make a profit. Better just to scrap it...
I agree that it would have been interesting to hear what was wrong with the engine. This 1.6HDI engine (DV6) has also been used by Ford, Volvo Mazda, Mini, Suzuki and Vauxhall(Opel). It is actually one of the better diesels engines on the market -IF SEVICED PROPERLY. Unfortunately these sub £1k cars are treated like plastic bags: you get one when you need it and when it is full of trash, you throw it away and get another one. Very few want to put 25-50% of the cars value to a single service.
@@teabagtowers3823 You agree and I agree that, as a car dealer, Matt did the right thing in having the car scrapped. However, Matt is also a youtuber and by not having the engine problems diagnosed and repair costs estimated, there was good content missing from the video. I was not suggesting he have the car fixed.
RIP little Citröen. All she wanted was love
Had a similar issue on my wife's Pug 208 with the same engine, and with basic diagnostics, I was able to fix the car for just £30. All I had to replace was the MAF sensor element rather than the complete assembly (roughly £90-£120 for Bosch item) The car presented itself with similar issues, lack of power, lack of boost from turbo and very slight smoke, even kangarooing occasionally. Now it drives perfectly.
@Pedro Daniel Lopes Ferreira full of shit
@Pedro Daniel Lopes Ferreira Depends on what price range the car is in. The c5 and c6 are quality cars! And certainly the 2.0hdi. The French also have/had the better diesels and were years ahead of the Germans.
But the build quality in the cheaper cars is sad...
@Pedro Daniel Lopes Ferreira nothing wrong with Renaults
@@richardjohnson3463 Would agree, I own a Renault Traffic van that as a family we have had for sixteen years. Almost 200 thousand miles from the 2.0 litre turbo diesel engine and it is still running well. Always serviced on time by a top mechanic who does the job properly and thoroughly and the engine and gearbox are superb. Been looked after and it has served very well.
@@pev2197 I'm a VAG fanboy and even I have to agree with your comments. Well said.
Honestly, this car could have been saved. I owned a C3 Picasso, same year, for 6 years. I drove to Spain and back twice, drove to France and back, to Portugal and back, did deliveries in it to support myself during my degree, moved house in it a bunch of times. That car was my friend. I never had a single issue with it. I bought it used and serviced it on time, just the regular maintenance. I admit, it wasn't the most exciting to drive, but it was comfortable, very practical and economical. And not a bad looker, but looks are subjective. A very underrated car in my opinion.
I agree with you I have done the 500mi Scotland, and bought another with a friend and re-sell for profit, service it on time, take care of it... And that was a good profit in it probably with no much wrong with it... They are cheap to fix too and to run too!
Nah it’s not underrated. Its a sh*tbox.
Any car could be saved, but man has a business to run, profit to find and the repair would likely be worth more than the car is
Too uneconomical to repair unfortunately
Obviously it could have been saved, but the guy's running a business to make a profit, not to start a car museum!
That car body implies it's been cared for and deserves a continued life span.
A little sad that so many cars in generally good condition are scrapped due to high cost of parts and labour. This car actually looked quite nice to drive with good visibility - no massive A-posts in your line of vision like most modern cars.
Great video again Matt. Sure this weeks sponsor wasn’t Esso? You drove past it enough 😂. PS that E46 looks like a gem.
Congratulations on the new car, looks absolutely stunning. Thanks for today’s video. Watching it now 😊
Thanks!
I thought that you were talking about the Citroën Picasso for a nano second
@@curtisj2165 me too 😁
@@curtisj2165 If he was French
@@EinkOLED HAHA, what you talking about shes a beast 25MPH!
I've had a Citroen grand c4 semi auto for 10 years without eney trouble due to it being serviced regularly.
The diesel engines in the Citroens are bullet proof if there looked after with regular oil changes.
Can't understand why your slating Citroens as there's thousands of Citroen owner in the uk that are happy with there motors.
Great mpg, reliable,comfy and always feel refreshed after a long drive.
Drive a car like the BMW M3 and you’ll realise how sh*t the Citreon’s are
Probably stating the obvious here but when in an unfamiliar vehicle I always look at the fuel pump diagram on the dashboard and the arrows will indicate which side the filler cap is on. Great videos keep up the good work 👍👍
Doesn't always work, my mu's Toyota Yaris icon shows the nozzle on the incorrect side...
@@stephenm5000it's not normally the "pipe" it's a small arrow next to it
@@jrewillis wish I could post a photo here LOL There is no arrow on the Yaris, but my Ford Focus displays the nozzle on the fuel icon on the correct side.
I had both... the BMW and the C3 Picasso ... and I prefer by far the Citroen.
It's fast enough and it has so much room while being really handy in cities.
they aren’t comparable
Of course the C3 is WAY better in every way for daily driving, it’s made for that
The BMW isn’t
"I prefer by far the Citroen“ 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I've got one of these. Although I've never liked French cars they are very reliable and cheap to run.
My Peugeot 308 from 2012 with the same engine has driven 450,000 km (279,617 miles) with the original turbo. still drive like a dream.
Do you sometimes put injector cleaner in the fuel or drive long distances ?
wich engine do u have ? 1.6 or 2.0 ?HDI
@@romanjeremy5156 Drive long distances ;)
@@dracony7649 1.6 HDI
My brother in law had a 15yr old 1989 Peugeot 405 with over 500k miles on it back in the day.
2 clutches, and a new turbo at 200k is all he had done.
It was service every time on button by main dealer.
Cars need maintenance. Look after them and they can go forever.
One of the nicest cars to drive, ever.
I would've actually diagnosed the fault before scrapping it. You never know if it's a 50£ fix or 1500£ one before you actually diagnose it.
A blocked egr valve would be a cheap fix
That wont be anything below £1000
@@curtisj2165 It was £350 for me
@@letter1014 for an egr valve? Wow
If it was EGR or DPF the engine light would be on so I would say it was the injectors which are not going to be cheap if you can get the bastards out
The humor in this was brutal. "most c3 picasso owners wouldnt know what soap is' lmao
Soap to wash your mouths with.
Not sure that was humour. More like pretentious Range Rover/ BMW driving……
Whoever owned this didn't know what oil was, that's for sure!
They use shower gel, no need for soap dish.
More to do with it being a diesel used in urban city conditions more than anything else really, would be the same in a VW, Vauxhall or Ford.
Diesel + City + Cheap cars with no maintenance is the worst combo imho.
on the fuel gauge there is usually a sign of a pump and next to it is a small arrow, left or right. I only found out last year that this is common on cars to tell you which side to fuel.
But not always
@@frankyduschek562 Pretty much yes though.
I came to comment that I hope he said that("what side is the tank on?") for entertainment value because as a dealer he should know this.
yep, I had hitched a ride with a friend the other day who was driving a replacement car as hers was being serviced... she wasn't sure which side the fuel cap was on. i told her this, and sure enough, the fuel icon had an arrow, and it pointed the right way 😁
You’ve excelled yourself! 2 great bits of humour. ‘I think we’ve got a new Pope’, was one 😂
😂 Thanks
Would have bern good to see your mechanics do a report/diagnostic on it, just to see what it would cost. There was a lot of spec on that car, may be a little hasty there.
What a shame for the poor thing Matt... Anyway, you parked it back in the exact spot I parked in when I came in to see you with my son Jamie last year lol... (Phil)
You should have checked it out for the fault before crushing it
If your inexperienced with cars yeah you would….136,000 mile,no service history,with various issues(one likely a 4 figure bill,obvious what it is with black to white smoke) and very low coolant(shows the life it’s had)it’s obvious this cars at the end of its life.
@@zak6931 more than likely but you would never know your luck, great body on it so its worth a go
Hi Matt, it shows how far you have come in 4 years when you make a 20min video on a scrap Citroen C3, I take my hat off to your sir 🤣🤣👍👍
You should start taking a diagnostic device with you, it'd be great to know what these cars think is wrong with them.
It might go faster if you turn the SPEED LIMITER OFF?
Front row seat for High Peak Autos Friday Night Special! Always fun to go on a car trading adventure ✌
Thank you and a beautiful ride to get to the parking lot 😎
Thank you! I appreciate it
I agree. Except it’s always the following morning where I am. The perfect accompaniment with breakfast.
Thoses engines could last longer but so many people don't know how to use a turbo diesel: they don't wait oil pressure to build, they don't wait the engine to warm a bit, they rev it too high, too much city driving, they turn off the engine when the turbo is still spinning fast, they don't change oil every year etc. And I'm not even a big fan of French cars, I'm more into old Japanese gasoline cars.
Matt: "Well it wants a clean."
Also Matt: *Throws paperwork and brochures all over the back seat*
Pro-tip: The symbol of the tank on your dash has a little triangle/arrow: that is the side of the fuel cap 😚
Great video, Matt, so pleased that you are going to the real people end of the market sometimes, it is so helpful to find out what buying a cheaper car brings to the mix of car ownership. Great looking car, overall, but as always, modern diesels are horribly unreliable sometimes. Thank you.
My company has a Peugeot Partner which is on the same platform as that car. Over 200k km done and no problems 😀 I can't believe it! Good workhorse and HUGE inside! Gets great mpg! 👌🏻 And the best part? It's bought and paid for! Thanks for the video again!!
It's the thing with the 1.6hdi. treat it poorly, do a million miles a week in it, drive the nuts of it, and it'll run forever. Cosset it, just go to the shops and back and it'll be nothing but trouble.
"I bought a cheap Citroen for £300" to which my first reaction is "oh, I'm so sorry". If you look at the fuel gauge, you'll see a tiny arrow. That denotes what side the fuel filler is on.......just about all cars have the little arrow. Shitroen seems somehow appropriate. This one isn't worth spending a penny on. And you can take that two different ways....
As a dealer thought you’d know there’s an arrow beside the petrol pump icon on your dash indicates what side the filler is on.
They don’t all have that. I don’t know how many times I have to say that.
Seems to good to scrap. I would fit a second hand power unit. I fitted a replacement engine to my 20 year old Nissan Micra and it goes like a bird. Excellent video. Thank you and Stay Safe.
Except this guy is a car dealer, not a restorer
I once had a C3 Picasso (executive version, large glass roof, 1.6hdi), nice car, very comfortable and very practical, in 2016 I left it at a Mazda garage when buying a new MX-5
Only a twit scraps a car without finding out what's wrong with it first
Members of my family have over the years had xantias zx c5 ds4 all with great engines and no problems.
Matt, I wish you’d been around when I was able to indulge my love of cars. And the internet too, I suppose 🤓 The nicest car I was ever able to afford was a VW Passat CC 2010. Really enjoyed it. I’m a pensioner now and living in a Motorhome; 1995 Auto Sleeper on a Transit base 😳 Ah, well.
Love your stuff. Honest. 🤗 I mean it’s honest. You’re honest. All strength to you.
Next time try the Smashing pumpkins method before scrapping. In a city diesel, specially the new ones, the entire exhaust system gets clogged up. By using a full tank with your foot to the floor maintaining 3-4k rpm above 45mph, you have a chance to clean it up. Either that or the timing belt snaps or the injectors pop out. I would do that before scrapping it.
Great video Matt . The tale of woe with this one is obviously a sheer lack of servicing / maintenance; that 1.6HDi has to be serviced on the button with top grade oil.
I’ll never understand why so many people just don’t have their cars serviced regularly …. Also manufacturers service intervals these days are ridiculously long in my view.
2006 bmw 320cd. ( had this car for 12yrs) service intervals every 20 thousand miles. ( fully synthetic oil) but I have religiously changed oil/oil filter every 10 thousand miles and full service every 20 thousand 😄. I, like you think manufacturers service intervals are ridiculous 🙄 👍👍
With those service intervals, it's almost as if they want the car to fail just out of warranty. Now, where did I put my tin foil hat?
@@GregPodster133 I don't think a 2006 BMW qualifies as these days. It's 16 years old. Modern stuff far longer service intervals especially commercial.
Can't stand long service intervals. I'm sure the manufacturers test to see what is the longest interval they can have to make the engine just make it to about 150,000 just so they claim it saves you on servicing costs rather than what is the appropriate service interval to make it last as long as possible. My car claims 20,000 or 2 years but I won't go above 1 year or about 8,000 on fully synthetic. For the sake of an afternoon on the driveway and £30, worth it to me.
@@squeakers27 exactly
I bought a 2003 03 reg C3 1.4 diesel in nov 2005. Had nearly 14000 miles back then. It now has 152400 miles & it passed its mot last month. Went to cornwall & back cruising doing 70 mpg. I got myself in a money mess a few years back but getting sorted now. So I've just kept this car & it goes on & on & on.. :)
Do you think the AA bloke in the van parked by your Citroen thought !!!!! I see a Citroen C3 Picasso, I`d better park here and wait a while might very well get a breakdown call very soon 😂😂
😂 it was going to happen sooner or later
I'm not a hater in any way, and I enjoy your content immensely Matt. However, I strongly believe these cars (and indeed, most budget cars) are stereotyped a little unfairly, as surely, it's due to the poor maintenance, (or lack of it completely), that they're classed as rubbish. I come from a family where cars have always been well looked after, in good time, and we've never had any significant problems. My late Grandfather had a 1988 Renault 5 for 28 years! (And we still have it stored in a garage).
Subbed. Got no interest in cars but somehow you make cars interesting, I've watched so many vids of yours at this point. Will continue to watch too
As you drive lots of different cars, it may help you to know, I learnt recently, that the fuel gauge on most cars has an arrow to show which side the filler is on. Enjoying your videos btw
I also love the E46 though you will need to watch the front wings for rust bubbles with earlier cars such as yours. With the Citroen, I might have taken the opportunity of the empty tank to put injector cleaner and just a little diesel to run it through the injection system. Even if you had to put a new CHRA in the turbo, it need not cost a fortune or it might just need some oven cleaner and an Italian tuneup !
Matt surely you know to look at the fuel gauge all cars have a arrow to which side the fuel filler is on
Could you perhaps briefly explain how it usually works when you buy a car without even seeing it, where do they come from and if it’s from a contact do they not at least send you a photo?
People part exchange them aka trade them in when they buy a newer car
I'm assuming, as he states it was part exchanged, someone who works for him at his business did actually see it. Therefore, this is not a random blind purchase, but he, himself, had not seen it or have sight of any other info when he films the video.
I drive c3 picasso 11 reg and apart of feeling old just past 40 (as all other users seem to be elderly couples in mid 80s) I am very happy with it. 1.6 diesel with bluetooth and cruise control, 60mpg and 30 tax. High seating position and fairly quick - not annoying at all. Being small base and still able to fetch several packs of insulation - can't fault it. Never had anything wrong in it after doing over 40k within 3 years. Really good car!!! 11:44 Shame on you as I actually produce soaps!!! And of course use them myself too!!!
Like you stated, the tax and mpg is a selling point on these. I changed jobs and had to travel a lot further so i bought myself a 1.6hdi xsara picasso and in 4 years apart from a new clutch it was perfect. I eventually got bored of it and ended up getting something a bit more fun
thank you for scrapping it, you just gained a subscriber
That HDi engine is in so many cars... and manufacturers- would prob' not have been an expensive fix... and that engine is a pretty hardy lump. I had the same in my previous car- a Focus- and in my car presently- a C3 Picasso- identical to this one lol !!
Touch wood- mine's going perfectly... and I couldn't break the engine in the Focus either !!
P.S- I do wash occasionally...
I have a 2012 208 with the 1.6 e-HDi (DV6 D I think) and it's been very good, but it's not a fan of supermarket fuel. It occasionally threw up an EML which I believe was a boost issue (I don't remember the code), but the car didn't drive any differently, and the error cleared itself after a while anyway. The easy solution was to fill up with normal diesel elsewhere.
@@stephandolby I never use supermarket fuel... ;)
imo, when you don’t do a bunch of high quality shots your content feels more authentic. this video was great
That engine is perfectly fixable - probably. If everything else is reasonable at least investigate. C3 Picassos are roomy, comfortable, tardis dimensions inside, tons of boot space and their paint jobs last. Why dump it when the engine issue might be fixed easily?
I had the same thought, was a real shame. However MV60WVS isn’t currently showing as being scrapped, so doesn’t look like it went to the breakers yard. Perhaps, despite what was said in the video, it was sold as a trade sale. Given the bodywork, and overall condition I would be surprised if it was written off.
@@wintersun398 It has gone to the the breakers now and is untaxed and unmot'd
If you look at the fuel gauge on any car there is a picture of a fuel pump with an arrow by it to indicate which side has the filler cap, good tip I found
I keep buying old Diesels convincing myself they're cheap to run, but everytime something goes wrong its £400 at least. That pays for a lot of petrol
Buying old diesel cars is fine if you like driving a diesel, do a lot of miles and know how to fix them when they go wrong and get either parts from a breaker or recon units to fit yourself. They don’t go wrong constantly but yea when they do it’s not usually a cheap fix.
Actually went for a test drive in a 13reg recently off spec, not pre-arranged. Very comfy, quiet inside, felt solidly built and nice high seating position if you like. The 3 downsides. 1. Handbrake too low down, 2 crap storage and nothing in the centre, 3. Heavy clutch with high bite position.
09-17 reg regardless of care and service all seem to have same mot issues.
If you maintain the 1.6hdi engine properly they will do lots of miles , Our company has a few berlingo/partner vans some with 150k plus miles and they still run up and down the M6 really well, What a shame coz the rest of the car just needed a good clean.
Don’t say that here the PSA haters are out in force 🙄
If you look at the fuel gauge, it has an arrow to tell you which side the fuel cap is on.
Not on all cars
If no arrow like Trabant put wodka in horse
Fun fact: fuel gauges have an arrow next to them t to show you which side the fuel filler is on
Was about to comment the same thing
@@leeblackburn1545 you would think that a car dealer would know that
yess i got so annoyed when he opened the door to check lol.
thought he ´´knew cars´´
I bet lots of us thinking the same, a car dealer not knowing that 😊
That’s not always the case
I had to give up my C3 Picasso due to engine fault. Burning engine oil rapidly. Loved the car, it drove beautifully until the problem occurred and was revealed. The car was took back and went into liquidation. I now own the next model up.
“Think we’ve got a new pope line” 😂
Mine c4 grand picasso 1.6 hdi have done 340 000 km and for family car its still drives smoothly ,nothing breaks except regular wear and tear ,love it ❤
I'm pissing myself at the fact that you put £15 in the tank just for the scrappy😄 Nice entertaining vid as usual though Matt 😎✌
How the hell did you get that for $300 only? Are you having us on? How does one buy a car without knowing the model, condition, colour or anything other than the Brand? It is obvious that this could only have been gotten in an unusual trade. Regardless of the engine condition, I believe it was a good buy. I am sure you are connected with the prerequisite talents to put it right. Never even tried to find out why? A little challenge and you quit? You are not cut out for this job - you are more of a gambler.
What did you get for scrap ?
Always enjoy your reviews they are great. When you were looking for the side the fuel filler cap was on why did you not look at the symbol on your dash. This tells you which side it fills on?
I only realised this recently after 35 years of driving!!! Genius idea that's not well communicated! 👍
I always like the design of citroen c3 picasso
Offer it Salvage Rebuilds from UA-cam
"C3 Picasso owners wouldn't know what soap is!" Cracked me up!
Did the fuel gauge not have the usual little arrow indicating which side the filler cap is on? (Or did PSA cheap out on the ink???) 🤣
To be fair, £300 for a Citreon is about twice what it's worth! ⚠️😳😁
Edit- now I've watched the full video, at least that's one less French car on the UK roads to care about, going to a much better, well deserved place!⚠️😳😁
At the 13 minute mark the way to tell which side the fuel goes in. Is by looking at the fuel gauge- you will see a triangle in the middle of the gauge. Whichever side it is on is the side the fuel tank inlet is on any car.
Not on all cars.
I've had three C3 Picassos. Really liked the practicality and MPG but two of them developed really worrying behaviours. The first was a series of DPF issues. The third was due to random engine management stalls. The one in the middle got written-off by someone turning right in front of me; they were on a red light. Can't blame Citroen for that one.
yes, still blame shitroen for that one
@@blade_20 shush. Citroen make great cars. You need to stop being a fan of stupid German cars lol 😂
@@fredsucksatminecraft2753 - I prefer Swedish or Jap ;)
@@blade_20 I prefer French
@@fredsucksatminecraft2753 - I'm so sorry to hear that. Hope you recover soon ;)
Quite a run of bad luck there! Nice to see the Activa could come to the rescue.
But this is exactly why I always have a modern small car that I can rely on and just works, one that I don't have to think about repairing and takes the pressure off my older cars - a C6, Saxo, 2 C5s, etc.
I would have liked to find out what was wrong with it before scrapping it. It did pass its MOT not that long ago. What if it turned out to be just a bad spark plug or coil pack?
It's a diesel. No sparks and no coil packs.
@@LucozadeClw Whoops! Never mind that!
LOL!! From the C4, which was a lemon, a nail and a turd, to the C3 which is a shed, a crock, naff, and above all else, to quote Matt, “a Shitron”. 😂
Seems strange not to run a code reader through it first. Could be a pretty simple fix.
There was no engine light on
Shouldn't have kept driving it when the smoke kept coming out the back. Poor cyclist 😂
I bought a Citroen Nemo Automatic to do my commuting to and from work and save the miles on my Cee'd. I ended up driving it everywhere and using it for the tip runs and moving furniture etc. I loved it and had it for ages. My daughter was on her way up country to see us for the weekend and some plonker on his mobile ran into the back of her when she was waiting to turn right writing off her old golf. I gave her the Citroen and two + years later she's still using it and driving up and down country with it no problem. It gets serviced annually which is probably right for the mileage she does. Super little car.
Why does everyone in the UK seem to have a tyre budget of £4,50? I’ve never seen a car in your videos with four matching name brand tyres.
I don’t get it either. People are short sighted
@@HighPeakAutos some of us only do around 3-4k per year mostly local, i have had to scrap tyres due to rot so no point buying mega expensive ones. Different of course if your up n down motorways doin the average 12k per yr
Mat, do us all a favour and crush as many wretched French bangers as you can. The country will thank you one day...
I know with C3 1.4 diesel the injectors were known to go & mine were done many years ago. The only problem I've had with engine. Also if say I only put £10 of diesel in then the gauge doesn't register it. If I put £15 in it will. Used to have a Peugeot 307 way back that had a similar 'design fault' with the fuel gauge. So you may have just not put enough fuel in.
Really bad that you made the comment.. 'too many moments like this'. You paid a few hundred for it! Was pretty obvious there must be something wrong. Ps: I feel the same about german rubbish :)
The EAT6 and EAT8 gearboxes are really decent. Basically German tech made in Japan.
So are they Aisin then? Never really undertsood
@@giovannidonega9391 Yes, the EAT boxes are, the others (ETG etc) are basically bags of toss.
Friend of mine has an XC90 with the 8 speed Aisin, which is lovely. Thank you 👍
Tough luck with the C3 Picasso. We had one that did 100,000 trouble free miles and we still got £2,000 for it.
Love it, great colour. Room in the back so when it breaks down you can camp out. 👍
Haha exactly
@HighPeakAutos Did someone at the scrap company buy this? According to DVLA, it’s still on the road!
I bought a xsara picasso for £100....7 years later this 1.6 diesel still going strong....... Good. Van /car.. 212k on the clock
Nice little car for someone who likes citroens(there are a few out there), was it not worth getting your local mechanic to plug in a diagnostic to see if it was something simple? Cheers Matt.
Chances are it’s had its day. 135k and smoking/driving like that it will be a turbo, injectors, egr, dpf maybe but whichever it is it won’t be worth the money to investigate and fix it.
@@Alexander_l322you are probably right! eBay it then before taking it to the gallows.
I don’t mind French cars, under the bonnet they are Bosch, Valeo the same as everyone else. I wonder if the issues stem from the fact that people bought these diesels based on high mpg figures but didn’t do the miles a diesel needs not to choke up their emissions devices, and also cars at the budget end of the market don’t tend to be maintained with a view to longevity. Of all the new company cars I’ve had over the years the ones that have had the most garage time are VAG group and Ford. It doesn’t put me off them, just my experience. Great video and insight into the part ex market!
Shh... don't you know that around these parts, French cars are the only ones with reliability issues :D
Good clip, and sound advice in some of the comments on saving this C3. Why isn’t it worth fixing? I do sense a little chip on shoulder re-French cars: as soon as it goes wrong, chuck it etc. On the other hand your review of the Citroen Cactus was positive and fun. Maybe a dispassionate (or not) “what I really think about French cars” video would work. Anyway, keep up the great videos.
I have a citreon berlingo van with 200000 miles and still drives like new.
Before scrapping it, I'd have pulled the injectors, my bet is they are clogged up. Check the air intake, again, it probably resembles a coal mine. Then change the oil and see what it does.
edit: I wrote this before the injector noise. I think the engine would be salvageable if you could do the work your self, but not economical if you pay someone.
Last of the great BMWs (at least in America) was 2006. After that, the engines became horribly unreliable. Speaking of BMWs, that BMW 330 Diesel you got awhile ago for 500 is still a better bargain than this 300 paid Citroen. But, this one is right up there. [Just kidding.] Bit surprised about one thing. There's no tiny arrow on the gas gauge of the Citroen that points to which side of the vehicle the gas cap door is on? That's a bit odd.
I live near the BMW plant in the US. I'm super happy about the business and economic growth its brought. But never would I buy one. All the folks who work there I've talked to tell me to never buy one unless it's a lease or a company program like many employees do.
@@baronvonjo1929 What models are made in that BMW plant? Tia
@@Conservator. It makes the X3 all the way to the big X7 currently. I believe it's the largest BMW plant in the world buy production and just sheer size.
It has made the Z Series, a 3 series and a M4 in the middle of the 2000s.
@@baronvonjo1929
Thanks!
With the PSA 1.6 HDi it is essential to change the oil at half the recommended miles using quality oil and an OE filter. Otherwise turbo failure will occur and simply changing out the turbo cassette will not fix it. The sump has to come off, pick up pipe replaced, turbo oil feed filter bolt replaced and an internal engine flush. If it's been driven any miles with a failed turbo, remove the crank shells and big ends to check for scoring there too. It's a big expensive repair. The high milers also suffer from injector seal failure resulting in a chuffing noise and a smell of diesel. Replacement injectors must be coded into the BSI too. This engine is used in all sorts, not just Peugeot Citroen, but also Ford and even Mini. If you own a 1.6 powered HDi change the oil every 6.000 miles without fail if you want it to live a long and happy life.
I admire the nous and personality of this channel. It taps into everyone’s interest who has ever bought a used car, which must be a large part of the British public. The presenter has his finger on the pulse and I would imagine this venture is quite a profitable little earner. Good luck to him.
Thanks
Normally there's a little arrow on the fuel gauge pointing at the side of the car the petrol goes in! My old auntie showed me this, never noticed before :-)
What a shame I was hoping for a positive ending to this video , I was going to say "Result" , and you will never know if the problem was not as expensive to repair as you thought , just to get somebody's expert opinion wouldn't have cost a great deal , then you would have known if it was worth putting right or not to sell it on , at £300 I was thinking there has to be some profit in it .
Find it odd to blame Citroën in this circumstance.
It's lasted 12 years and 130k and clearly had bugger all spent on it.
Show me a car that would operate like new when subjected to that.
If it was 5 years old with 40k on it..yeah but this has lived a hard life clearly and been punted on when that came back to bite.
Quick tip - all cars have A little arrow on the petrol pump icon on the gauge to show which side the fuel filler cap is. You learn something new every day?
Definitely a scrappers Matt, as soon as you opened the bonnet my heart sunk😂 the whole engine bay looked atrocious - amazing video again keep them coming. You could surely sell for £500 as a parts car though.