@@BoogSReviewsExcept Chandler Riggs wanted to stay playing Carl. His family moved closer so he could attend college that was in the same area, but Scott Pimple fucked him over and fired him because they didn't want to pay adult wages. His father even filed a lawsuit against AMC.
Imagine the week where the flu plagued the prison, the governor invaded the prison, and they met psychotic cannibals at terminus. All that happened in a 7 day span, then they do a 7 year time jump and all that happened is Daryl walked around a river looking for a body 😅
@Mankysausage which is fair, but we were just told "the world is crazy any day can be the craziest day of your life" and then 7 years passed and it was peaceful and nobody died
Fear the Walking Dead handled everything so well during its three season run. It's a shame it was canceled and replaced with Morgan & Friends Save the Universe. I often wonder what the Clarks' last stand against each other would've actually looked like.
It's really sad. The original showrunner had so much passion and really made it into something that could stand it's own against the main show. And then they just threw it all away...
I find it unbelievably crazy how seasons 1-3 of fear takes place in the span of a month and a half into the outbreak, literally before Rick himself woke up from the hospital
@@PeartoKasaneexactly, and suddenly s4 takes place after negan fight in twd. I literally hate this time skip it makes no sense and s4 of ftwd has this greyish filter god how much I hate it.
@@brettb7221no it doesn’t…season 5 starts a week or two after the poison falls and then season 5 ends after they travel 500 miles from Georgia to Virginia. They were in terminus and then Rick was killing Pete in Alexandria within that season! Season 8 is something like a week long war that happens and I think the first half of season 6 is a couple days too because they trigger the no way out hoard and then have to wait until the wall breaks down.
Apparently in season 8 it was planned for Morgan to be killed off instead of Carl. But they saw ftwd ratings werent the best, so they instead decided to move morgan to fear, and they then decided to kill off carl as they wanted someone close to rick to die
I much prefer how Fear ended up starting. While Fear has its own set of.. terrible choices, I loved it because it actually showed what the first few days was like. You WATCHED as the world fell apart with the characters.
The spin-off was a good opportunity to do a reboot. Like House of the Dragon, a lot of people who left TWD in season 5-6 tried the new Daryl Dixon spin-off (myself included, I quit when Rick was gone). But the problem is that no spin-off stands alone (especially the ones who lives). It's absurd to me, they had gold to create something unique without relying on comics and reach new fans without forcing them to watch 9 seasons of a series... And they ruined it so bad. I still don't understand why they ended Rick's show so quickly.
@@jonfreeman9682 True! But a one-off can also be a complete story. I don't know if it would have been better as a movie. But I don't think what we got was watchable if you haven't seen the previous seasons, which is a problem we have with all these spin-off
@@ThierryBerard We got 6 episodes so that's about 6 hours to tell Rick and Michonne story. I'm not sure it would work as well with a 2 hour movie. Maybe they can stretch it to 2.5 hours but that's still less than half the season's runtime so it'll feel rushed and wouldn't work as well. I heard they originally planned 3 walking dead movies but it never happened for whatever reason. At its peak when it was pulling 16 million live views I think a movie would do well in the box office. But when TWD ended season 11 they were only pulling 2 million viewers hence the reboot. TWD isn't at its peak anymore so I think a movie would do less than $100 million which wouldn't justify the expense to market and promote it when they only get half the box office take. It was a smart choice to do a TV show instead and hold onto subscribers. I think there's opportunity to bring Rick and Michonne back but Andrew Lincoln prefers to stay retired so he might come back in a limited capacity in Daryl's show. No question Rick was the heart of the show so after he and Carl left it wasn't the same.
Now it was following the comic so there is that. But my biggest issue was it never had an ending. In the comic it’s pretty cut and clear. In the show’s final episode it feels more like a teaser to the spinoffs than a satisfying ending. Plus the amount of bs moments where characters should’ve died but didn’t in the finale was ridiculous
Well AMC needed the show to go on to keep subscribers so they can't let it end. With viewers bailing they did a reboot to try and bring back fans and I think it works.
Do you think they will ever re establish an actual civilization like the end of the comics had? Like where they refer to everything before the world was rebuilt as the trails and survivors are regarded as mythical heros who went through hell?
@@jasont5636 Haha ha okay honestly it wasn't as good as I hoped. Glad to see Rick and Michonne reunite. But the thing that's a letdown was the CRM is supposed to be this serious bad assery secret organization like black ops type in choppers and helmets but ends up being nothing more than another groupie. They built this up for 15 years since season 1 we see the chopper flying over Rick and there was even an episode of Fear where a black ops girl defects from CRM but turns out CRM and their leader was so easily blown up by Rick.
I think a 1-2 year time skip would have worked quite well. Gives time for the characters to get over ricks death as well as explain the advancements in Alexandria in particular, the hilltop has basically no expansion and the kingdom would not have survived 6 years with their pipes still providing water and warmth. It would also allow for ethenol to have been produced to explain how daryls motorcycle still functions. Granted he would have needed a motor conversion to install one that can even run om ethanol but let's just assume he did that even thoigh finding a simgle motor that can run on ethanol would have taken searching hundreds of buildings across multiple state's. But again lwts just assume he got SUPER lucky and found one within 6 months post the end of the war arc. It also makes the whisperers more believable as no way would a nomadic tribe that goes with zombies could survive as long as they did in the show. They would have starved to death. Zombies would have been a threat long enough for animals to know to avoid them plus they would trample any edible plants and it avoids the issue of every single zombie should be butt naked poat a 6 year time skip as clothing simply wouldnt last through 6 season cycles as well as walking through plants that tear them apart.
I actually made an Excel spreadsheet with every episode in order of when they take place chronologically as I watch it with my gf. There's a good bit of overlap between different series.
@josah2897 oh yeah sure. It's semi personal since we made it together, but I also included Telltale twd even though that's in the comic universe. Drop your email and I'll give you a copy that you can edit on your own. It's sorted by when the episode ends, not when it starts. So for example if two episodes overlap on the same day, the episode that ends first will be placed before the other.
12:24: Did you mess up on the effect there? Also, I really hate it that they jumped into 5 years in Dead City, like Maggie straight up left everyone after Rick came back. I like the show, but still.
I actually quite liked season 9, despite the messy time jumps. However, what came after that, season 10, was total shit once you got halfway through. And I hope I don't get attacked for saying this, but I truly think The Whisperer's arc ruined Carol's character. I couldn't stand her after s9. Hell, quite frankly, a lot of characters we'd grown to know and love just didn't feel like themselves anymore by that point. And about Rick's departure, I can't be too mad about it. I understand Andrew wanting to go home and spend time with his family. However, I won't lie and say it didn't suck.
Yeah it went downhill a long time ago. The whisperer storyline wasn't that great. It should have ended after Negan it was a hit show so studio wanted to keep it going.
The first 6 seasons of twd were straight up masterpiece. It is up there with breaking bad, Chernobyl etc but amc just couldn’t stop being greedy it’s really sad to see it being ruined man.. it has so much potential to be one of the best. For me the first 6 seasons will always be in the conversation. The only season that I liked after ss6 was ss9. They also killed Carl the most fucking important character in the series. For me twd downfall was when Carl died..that’s why the series is still be dragging till now 🥲
Carl was boring af and did nothing noteworthy in the show. As a comic reader, I quite enjoyed that switch up from the comics. Not only would I have not wanted Carl to be a lead on the show after Andy left, but it opened so many cool stories unique to the show. Writing Carl off was the best decision the show made in the later seasons. Besides, no one liked Carl when he was on the show. Everyone hated on him so hard and wanted him off the show and then whined when they got what they wanted. There was no love for him when he was on the show.
@@BoogSReviewsDon't include me in you "everyone" pal. Carl's journey was the anchor of the show, just told through Rick's perspective, it wasn't the main focus but it represented the central theme of the story. Without Carl, the story became unfocused, and it started to lean towards scfi schlock, specially now. They tried to turn the main anchor into some kind of "Grimes" legacy, but that is not enough, not at all. The character of Carl was pivotal. If the actor lacked skills to lead the show, hell, even a recast during the New Beginning timejump would've been less damaging to the bigger picture than what they did.
That was peak TWD and I'd say seasons 1-3 are the best. After the Governor it went downhill. The Negan arc dragged on too long then it became repetitive.
I wish they’d do a season of a show or a separate show if the very beginning of it all. Showing in detail the collapse and spread of it and how people initially reacted. A lot of shows and movies totally screw that up and it sucks cause it’s one of the most interesting parts
@@dmac24ismThat's what they promised us, but that's not what it delivered. They did a two week time skip and completely skipped it all. I felt duped af.
They did that in fear the walking dead. It was billed as see how it all began but the show changed direction after Morgan showed up but it was still good. They nicely wrapped up the series giving each character a nice conclusion.
@@jonfreeman9682I don't think anyone watched Fear or god forbid sat through the whole series. it's basically Season 7 of the main series but stretched out over 9 seasons. The new characters were so bad that they had to bring Morgan, Dwight and even a flashback of Rick to get people invested 😂
It’s actually kind of crazy that in the span of only 6 episodes, we have a total of 7 and a half years of the story skipped over in the show. A year and a half in 9x1 and then another 6 years in 9x5
1:02 idk about this one. almost every single piece of successful zombie media, before and after twd, takes place during the fall of society. how is that what made it unique? whats much more unique is setting it long after the fall, and showing the rebuild of society. that's rare. you got it mixed up.
Yeah that was weird but I think he was trying to say something about how character focused it was in the early days? It kind of transitioned into that but it was a bizarre way to state that for sure.
@nizzleprizzle9783 i think youre right. its kind of just a thing with a lot of small channels, it takes a while to get the script writing to a higher level. its all a learning process.
@@PlayMakerGames.RJ’s just fine , because they don’t show him that much , and that’s good, but Judith has an entire story acr , and it’s not necessary at her age . They should’ve waited to give Judith a bigger role , in my opinion.
Depends on your expectations. She couldn't carry the torch left behind by Carl, but it's a pretty big shoes to fill. I like her chemistry with Negan at least, though that sounds a little messed up.
Honestly at this point I wish they'd just do another spin off like fear, from the start of the apocalypse disconnected from the rest, but this time don't change everything after establishing it...
Honestly the walking dead as a whole aged so poorly in my opinion. I was an obsessed with the walking dead growing up and I wanted to show my wife the show. The first 2 seasons are good but after I really started to notice all the flaws with the show mainly with the pacing. This series was not meant to be 16 episodes, a lot of episodes just feel so long and drawn out. A lot isn’t happening and we have to sit through BS until we get to the good stuff. The thought of having to watch 11 seasons knowing that it gets worse and all the spin off shows made us stop watching the show all together.
The spin offs are good and first two seasons were pretty average from then on it gets better. until season 9 the last three aren’t that bad well…. The ones who live are some of the best out of the walking dead the end was very rushed tho. I don’t know how they are dragged out 16 ep seemed fine 13 is always too short so 16 episodes a season was good idk why ur complaining about that.
S2 is easily the best, S3 was also pretty good but a bit weak towards the end, S4-6 are so overrated by the fanbase (like the characters are probably at their best but the storylines and antagonists are too weak compared to the previous seasons). After that the show completely died, I only save S9 because it was a breath of fresh air after the dreadful Savior arc, but it's still not as good as the first seasons
@@lmao7612 I did not like the first two seasons I found it hard to even watch season was my favourite 4-6 are overrated but still great. You really didn’t like season 8 and 7?
@MartinBeatrix I didn't, in fact, I think those two seasons perfectly highlighted one of the show's greatest weaknesses: the showrunners failing to write storylines that lived up to the greatness of the main characters.
This came out before GoT changed the game. Too few main characters really seemed in danger past the first few seasons. The zombies were an afterthought, and yes I totally understand the Nietzschean trope of man being his own worst enemy, but the stakes never felt consequential.
It’s insane how they took the protagonist, wrote him out, then kept the mainline show going for 3 seasons with the side characters. Then they gave the protagonist a “spinoff”. THEN they made the characters who WERE side characters their own spinoffs. There are still so many plot threads they’ve left open, so it feels like this series will never end. Obviously fans want to see a reunion between Rick and Daryl (which is probably how they’re going to finally put a pin in the series). The series started with a man desperately trying to find his family in a broken world and eventually trying to make that world habitable for them. Ending the series with Rick and Daryl reuniting reduces Rick’s character arc to him just…reuniting with an old friend? A year ago, it felt like they were building to a huge battle between the CRM and the Commonwealth and some kind of revolution within the civic republic, but that whole thread got resolved.
Daryl looking for Rick body fits perfectly his character. Thats the thing he hangs to, as long as he doesnt find his body (while searching for it) he has hope Rick is still alive, look how important Rick is to him throughout entire series and especially the times they met and created their relationship
The only error i see with that timeline graphic at 0:01 is that Tales "groundhog day" episode takes place in 2010, but The Ones Who Live episode 1 covers at least Rick's story between 2014-2023
Please don't use the casual fan can't get into the franchise argument. All of the shows are for the fans that stayed. It's not unique to TWD. Ever try to figure out The Fast and The Furious Timeline? Prequels and sequels and spinoffs are nuts! I don't agree that the 6 year jump was bad. I think that all the great shows that go on and on reinvent themselves constantly. One prime example is ER, which went through a revolving door of lead actors and stories. Another example is MASH, which started out as slapstick with Burns and Blake before hitting its stride with BJ and Potter. All the characters were given a storyline in both of those shows and there wasn't a true 100% lead for every episode. Some characters got more until they got less or moved on. Carter (ER) transformed from a lowly grunt to a Yoda role. Klinger got the big payoff for his character by finding love and deciding to stay after seasons of wanting nothing more than to leave. In just those examples, the characters were the same but we watched them grow. I do NOT love everything about TWD, ER and MASH. I am hoping Negan can continue to change with DC S2 coming up. I want to see him see Gabriel, Dwight, Daryl, Carol, and of course, Rick. I want Negan and Rick to have to figure out how to put the past behind them. I know a brother and sister who are as far apart from each other as R and N in being able to move forward after awful things in the past. I want to use that as an example for them to finally understand that you can't change the past. Thanks for the video.
Ironically, my favourite seasons from TWD are the last three. It just feels like an entirely different show. I loved that mix of horror with politics with weird romance drama and action scenes. I hope I'm not the only one. Although, I do think the show could have ended on multiple occasions. The first 6 seasons will forever be the real TWD. One of the best shows ever made.
The first 6 seasons up to the Negan arc was peak TWD. With 16 million live viewers it hit an all time peak. Then by season 11 it only had 2 million viewers so they needed a reboot. But no doubt I'd say season 1-3 was the best. Season 1 is arguably the most incredible considering it's only 6 episodes and they had a very small budget.
I personally would just cancel everything. I've been following daily theory videos, watching twd over and over again, creating a world in my head, thinking how could Rick come back, how the runners would invade the world, the CRM... and everthing just falls apart. i want this show to get cancelled and forget about it.
I really dislike the idea that people think the show should've ended at season 5. That's like stopping invincible at season 2 because the ending felt better, or ending game of thrones at season 4 and ignoring the rest of the source material. Imagine being a comic fan, waiting for the whispers or Negan to show but the show ended right before the world got so much bigger.
Well as long as fans are there AMC will keep the show going. But every show loses viewers over time and by season 11 it got to the point they had to end it and tried a reboot. Not sure but I think it worked. Fans wanted fresh stories so that's why they split it into 3 series.
Honestly that's the difference between mediums though, sometimes stories portrayed on screen have different lifespans than stories portrayed through books or comics. There's plenty of movies out there that are based on books, comics or games that never told the complete story they adapted for a variety of reasons
I think it was mainly done to make Judith older so she could be an actual character and basically replace Carl, but of course if Carl was still around it wouldn't have been that big of a time jump
The Walking Dead is a series that actually doesn't need a central main character. If they would just follow the story of multiple different characters that are in different areas, having different encounters, sometimes encountering each other, it could work. Hard to have a long running story using the same characters over and over without it becoming stale, but if they were to introduce new characters, and come up with new situations (which shouldn't even be that hard) Then, it could work. Why continue following Rick and his group for this long when you could have been introduced an array of new characters. They almost got it with Fear, but then they brought in Morgan, and did whatever they did to his character. On top of that, they'll need better writers, probably hire writers that are actually working class, and not a bunch of corporate heads. Corporations are destroying storytelling, you destroy the heart of a story when you're merely writing it to make money, and that is also a huge problem
Side note, but I do find the satellite falling right into their enemies territory just enough to screw them over, forcing our heroes to deal with said Fire
The Whisperer arc was sick af and im tired of pretending it wasnt. Creepy as shit, negan's Redemption, different enemy than we ever imagined and it had stakes. Sometimes, evil for the sake of evil can work - especially after a 2 season arc with a villan as charismatic as Negan.
There's obviously a viewer base, so at this point I say they just keep making stuff till people stop watching. It's gone on so long that most people that wanted to know how it would end have stopped watching and those watching are just there for whatever they are getting out of it. I'm currently reading the comics in my free time at work and am on the second to last arc, so I'm going to get my conclusion, doesn't bother me if the show never "ends". It would be neat to see an animated as close to 1:1 adaptation but honestly I'll be fine with the comics if it never happens.
Bro seasons 1 and 2 are masterpieces imo. Because of Frank Darabont. 3 and 4 were pretty good too, but I think 4 is when I started to see the flaws. You could feel the writing shift. Idk. If amc had just fired Vince Gillian, breaking bad as we know never would’ve existed, and instead they’d still be cooking in an rv on season 20
It's all just gotten too big, confusing, and inconsistent, and yet at the same time they don't connect things or have an overall direction anymore, they're just waiting for it to end
I found Fear of the walking dead ended up filling like a fall out series by the time of the nuclear attack lol enjoyed it but felt less and less like a walking dead show 😊
Carol meeting Daryl made me wonder: is this an American thing? why they just talk the hell out of everything that very happened to them. they are just cold and like yeah, I just found you in France so what.
I saw a comment on another video how we got all our villains starting stories. What a great comment. Imagine this spin of branch story. Just so little thought about progress. But hey Darabont wanted as much. Gimple is a joke.
The show itself is just a disaster in general. They devaited too far from the source material, writing declined, characters were boring, important characters left, filler episodes, too many spin off attempts, lost 98 percent of its viewership.
I miss whenever AMC actually adapted the TV show better than the comics because they expanded on characters like the hunters and claimers and made them far more interesting than their comic counterpart. Now, they make terrible changes like killing Carl and keeping Eugene alive instead
@@tsctonic By the way, I have to ask : the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise had also some problems as we saw with the failures in 2023 such as "Ant-man : Quantomania" or even "Thor : Love and Thunder" in the phase 4 to 5 BUT despite all that, Kevin Feige himself and the others productors involved seems trying to fix their mistakes by slowing down the outcome of new productions and giving more time to the writing in order to make it better and also make sure that the public is not bored by it; now from it has been said in that video the AMC studio doesn't seems to try making things right so WHY didn't they fixed their mistakes.
I’m still watching them all. I guess I liked the comics that much and see the two as separate entities. It’s almost high budget fan fics. Well it kinda is literally.
Very first second of the video, timeline is already incorrect. Seasons 1/2 are from August 25th 2010 to Nov 15th 2010, skipping the winter & spring, where season 3 starts in June 2011 & ends July 2011. Skipping fall/winter, season 4 starts January 2012 & season 8 ends June 2012. Seasons 4-8 all happen in 6 months, no large time skips between seasons. Peace with the saviors after season 8 lasts through all of 2013, Rick blowing up on the bridge March of 2014. The next episode (season 9 episode 6) skips 6 years forward to 2020. Pike deaths in 2020, whisperer war in 2021, Pamela arrested in 2022, Daryl leaves to find Rick in June 2023, Carol following less than a few months later AS WELL as Rick & Michonne returning home. By the time Carol finds Daryl in France, Rick & Michonne are already at the commonwealth. Dead City is 6 years later in June 2029.
The timeline I showed in the beginning was relative time. I know a lot of the dates overlap. But it would've been messy to include specific dates for every show in a single image.
thinking abt it amc could of done what telltale did. First season you have lee taking care of clem, next season she’s taking care of herself. amc could of done that with Judith and make her js like clem or similar ( if yall know clem got that dog in her)
Didnt they mention a sickness that hit Alexandria during the 6yr? And Maggie got into some stuff on the road with Georgie. Its a safe bet that they really didnt have an immediate threat in the meantime, nothing thatd be worth seeing or what couldve been filmed
I used to be a massive fan of TWD and still am to some degree. I am currently watching the TWL spinoff. The time jump is a big problem for me. 6 years seems too long for so many things that happen to be believable. Looking back at it all, I think the show should have ended at Season 8, or make Season 9 as a conclusion to the show to wash the bad taste of season 8 out of people’s mouths. It is going on way too long.
Great video. Early seasons great show, died towards the end. The spin offs are more action shows rather than horror survival, absent of all semblance of good writing (Fear seasons 2&3 were great) but everything else has been a HUGE mess.
The comic time jump right after the savior arc was 2 years. Which the show matched closely with it's first time jump in season 9. However the 6 year time jump that occured, never happened in the comics.
Great video, but you gotta slow down and enunciate a bit better. You're hard to follow. Every few sentences there was something you said that was just gibberish. Keep up the good work.
Mann they shoulda just started off a new show with a new famiky keep it simple interesting ah better graphics better storyline all that and we can literally have the walking dead back alive and thriving smh I be wondering who tf running these companies man they don’t wanna have legendary shit for the culture they keep dropping bongs ever since fear the walking dead season 3🤦🏽♂️
The problem I have with this take is that it sounds like you were uninterested when you decided to write this video essay. It's a valid complaint from a casual viewers perspective, not knowing that you don't have to watch *all* the spinoffs to understand the main story; and sure, there's some continuity errors, but again, those don't really matter that much unless you're trying to form one giant narrative, which doesn't seem to have been the goal. I will say, the sequels are pretty funky in their timing, but they are, again, three separate stories. I'll agree that it seems like they're trying to keep a dead horse running through. Honestly, we could've just had TWD, FTWD for the crazier stuff, and TOWL to finish of Rick and Michonne's stories and been peachy.
my guy are you slow in the head, how do you figure this guy is a casual twd watcher. Anyone who decides to make a video about a show who was most popular 10years ago is a hardcore fan.
@mobb3307 that's not even remotely true. People make video essays with the single intent of crapping on things, or pointing out nothing but flaws all the time. CinemaSins is a textbook example of that, albeit from a more comedic stance than others.
The timeline is a hot mess that’s “one” of the reason’s I stopped watching after the big jump. Their telling the same story over, and over “build, new big bad, big bad wins, they rebuild, and beat the big bad” rinse and repeat, and add some character’s they don’t develop just to kill off before the rinse & repeat. They’re dragging the franchise , and it’s sad, because it was great. If they waited a few years for interest to build between new show’s they wouldn’t have to butcher the timeline , and they could work towards a cohesive franchise finale something we all deserve , if anyone we love is still alive.
You really over complicated that lol. I've rarely had trouble following the time line. Then you said someone who starts watching in the 4th seasons of fear needs to go back to season 1 to know what's going, well duh. That's 90 percent of good tv shows. You don't start watching from season 4. Who does that? Lol Dead City being in 2029 seemed weird so I was with you on that...But then you said it could be 2025 which is alot closer to normal time. So you just picked 2029 to make your argument better lol That being said, let's be honest. The characters themselves have probably lost track of actual time. They rarely reference dates or even birthdays. I'm willing to bet different people in different places are keeping different time.
The reason why I said you could watch fear from season 4 was because it was essentially a reboot that killed a majority of the original characters. Theres very little continuity in the story, cinematagtaphy, pacing, characters, and overall direction after season 3. Morgan was now the lead instead of the clark family. I picked 2029 for dead city because the actress for Maggie herself said it took place then. It also lines up close with Hershel's age. Yes it's realistic that a person would forget the exact dates for things but in a scripted series where every line of dialogue is meant to have a purpose, having dates that contradict themselves is bad writing and planning.
@tsctonic Yea but in the scripted show it didn't tell you these dates. They purposely avoid it. It's just you guessing, and picking what you like to fit your opinion/narrative.
Unfortunately I think that's just a problem of having a child actor. The time between seasons caused him to age way more then he should. Around the time of the 2 year time jump in the comics, carl is only around 13 years old.
I'm guessing you're referring to where it says 5 years after the Bridge? That part was just showing Rick attempting to escape throughout the years. The main part of the show matches up with the current timeline. Which takes place somewhere around the year 2023.
@@brianachim2670 I didn't know this when I first watched it, but apparently there was around a 1 year time jump after Michonne inhaled the chlorine gas. Which I believe matches it up with everything else.
Carl ages 2 years in the show when he ages 8 years IRL? 🤣
That’s the downside of comics vs live action. Actors age and want to move on to other things.
Hold upppp, he was 10 in s1 right? So he died when he was twelve then???
@@BoogSReviewsExcept Chandler Riggs wanted to stay playing Carl. His family moved closer so he could attend college that was in the same area, but Scott Pimple fucked him over and fired him because they didn't want to pay adult wages. His father even filed a lawsuit against AMC.
@@BoogSReviewsHoly fuck my guy, you are still peddling that lie.
He was 15... yeah, its confusing. @@ClairDeLume
Imagine the week where the flu plagued the prison, the governor invaded the prison, and they met psychotic cannibals at terminus. All that happened in a 7 day span, then they do a 7 year time jump and all that happened is Daryl walked around a river looking for a body 😅
If stuff happened in the time jump then people would complain that they didn’t show it….
@Mankysausage which is fair, but we were just told "the world is crazy any day can be the craziest day of your life" and then 7 years passed and it was peaceful and nobody died
Fear the Walking Dead handled everything so well during its three season run. It's a shame it was canceled and replaced with Morgan & Friends Save the Universe. I often wonder what the Clarks' last stand against each other would've actually looked like.
It's really sad. The original showrunner had so much passion and really made it into something that could stand it's own against the main show. And then they just threw it all away...
I find it unbelievably crazy how seasons 1-3 of fear takes place in the span of a month and a half into the outbreak, literally before Rick himself woke up from the hospital
@@PeartoKasaneexactly, and suddenly s4 takes place after negan fight in twd. I literally hate this time skip it makes no sense and s4 of ftwd has this greyish filter god how much I hate it.
Ive been saying this from the start, fear should have been the birth of whispers with nick being beta
@@Boost400 that doesn't even make sense lol
I was today years old when I found out sn1-8 is only 2yrs
That actually makes a couple things easier to accept
S7/8 is under 50 days, Gimple Really didn't plan the Savior ark out.
Season 5 happens in the span of 7 days
@@brettb7221no it doesn’t…season 5 starts a week or two after the poison falls and then season 5 ends after they travel 500 miles from Georgia to Virginia. They were in terminus and then Rick was killing Pete in Alexandria within that season! Season 8 is something like a week long war that happens and I think the first half of season 6 is a couple days too because they trigger the no way out hoard and then have to wait until the wall breaks down.
I thought that there was a 6-8 month time skip between seasons 2-3
They milked this cow dry smh
Apparently in season 8 it was planned for Morgan to be killed off instead of Carl. But they saw ftwd ratings werent the best, so they instead decided to move morgan to fear, and they then decided to kill off carl as they wanted someone close to rick to die
BIG mistake there!😂😭
@@brianachim2670 Absolutely, Carls death is like the biggest mistake the show ever made
Bullshit. They axed Carl because the actor turned 18 and found his actor too expensive for the work he was delivering
@@legendhunter14that’s what I always heard too. And I bet that was the catalyst for Andrew Lincoln leaving a year later as well.
@sterlingarcher74 exactly. I know someone who worked on set and that was always the rumor that went around
Murder jacket Rick was the best Rick
Nah best Rick was season 9 Rick to bad you didn’t get to see enough of it
i cannot believe gareth from terminus is explaining how The Walking Dead's 6 Year Time Jump Was a DISASTER
@@Billy-gm4wl nahhhh no way I look like him 😭
@@tsctonic I already made you a promise
I much prefer how Fear ended up starting. While Fear has its own set of.. terrible choices, I loved it because it actually showed what the first few days was like. You WATCHED as the world fell apart with the characters.
The spin-off was a good opportunity to do a reboot. Like House of the Dragon, a lot of people who left TWD in season 5-6 tried the new Daryl Dixon spin-off (myself included, I quit when Rick was gone). But the problem is that no spin-off stands alone (especially the ones who lives). It's absurd to me, they had gold to create something unique without relying on comics and reach new fans without forcing them to watch 9 seasons of a series... And they ruined it so bad. I still don't understand why they ended Rick's show so quickly.
Rick was only intended as a one off.
It was supposed to be a movie but I think they lost enough fans that they felt it wouldn't sell so they did a mini series.
@@jonfreeman9682 True! But a one-off can also be a complete story. I don't know if it would have been better as a movie. But I don't think what we got was watchable if you haven't seen the previous seasons, which is a problem we have with all these spin-off
@@ThierryBerard We got 6 episodes so that's about 6 hours to tell Rick and Michonne story. I'm not sure it would work as well with a 2 hour movie. Maybe they can stretch it to 2.5 hours but that's still less than half the season's runtime so it'll feel rushed and wouldn't work as well. I heard they originally planned 3 walking dead movies but it never happened for whatever reason. At its peak when it was pulling 16 million live views I think a movie would do well in the box office. But when TWD ended season 11 they were only pulling 2 million viewers hence the reboot. TWD isn't at its peak anymore so I think a movie would do less than $100 million which wouldn't justify the expense to market and promote it when they only get half the box office take. It was a smart choice to do a TV show instead and hold onto subscribers. I think there's opportunity to bring Rick and Michonne back but Andrew Lincoln prefers to stay retired so he might come back in a limited capacity in Daryl's show. No question Rick was the heart of the show so after he and Carl left it wasn't the same.
@@jonfreeman9682It was way less than 6 hours
Now it was following the comic so there is that. But my biggest issue was it never had an ending. In the comic it’s pretty cut and clear. In the show’s final episode it feels more like a teaser to the spinoffs than a satisfying ending. Plus the amount of bs moments where characters should’ve died but didn’t in the finale was ridiculous
Well AMC needed the show to go on to keep subscribers so they can't let it end. With viewers bailing they did a reboot to try and bring back fans and I think it works.
@@jonfreeman9682No way you think TOWL was the best thing since sliced bread 😂
Do you think they will ever re establish an actual civilization like the end of the comics had? Like where they refer to everything before the world was rebuilt as the trails and survivors are regarded as mythical heros who went through hell?
@@jasont5636 Haha ha okay honestly it wasn't as good as I hoped. Glad to see Rick and Michonne reunite. But the thing that's a letdown was the CRM is supposed to be this serious bad assery secret organization like black ops type in choppers and helmets but ends up being nothing more than another groupie. They built this up for 15 years since season 1 we see the chopper flying over Rick and there was even an episode of Fear where a black ops girl defects from CRM but turns out CRM and their leader was so easily blown up by Rick.
It's not even feels more like. The finale of twd is the pilot episode for the spinoffs..
The show itself is the walking dead 😔
UNFORTUNATELY
I think a 1-2 year time skip would have worked quite well. Gives time for the characters to get over ricks death as well as explain the advancements in Alexandria in particular, the hilltop has basically no expansion and the kingdom would not have survived 6 years with their pipes still providing water and warmth. It would also allow for ethenol to have been produced to explain how daryls motorcycle still functions. Granted he would have needed a motor conversion to install one that can even run om ethanol but let's just assume he did that even thoigh finding a simgle motor that can run on ethanol would have taken searching hundreds of buildings across multiple state's. But again lwts just assume he got SUPER lucky and found one within 6 months post the end of the war arc. It also makes the whisperers more believable as no way would a nomadic tribe that goes with zombies could survive as long as they did in the show. They would have starved to death. Zombies would have been a threat long enough for animals to know to avoid them plus they would trample any edible plants and it avoids the issue of every single zombie should be butt naked poat a 6 year time skip as clothing simply wouldnt last through 6 season cycles as well as walking through plants that tear them apart.
I actually made an Excel spreadsheet with every episode in order of when they take place chronologically as I watch it with my gf. There's a good bit of overlap between different series.
you think i can get this too? im also doing a marathon in chronological order with the webisodes, games, and misc stuff
@josah2897 oh yeah sure. It's semi personal since we made it together, but I also included Telltale twd even though that's in the comic universe. Drop your email and I'll give you a copy that you can edit on your own. It's sorted by when the episode ends, not when it starts. So for example if two episodes overlap on the same day, the episode that ends first will be placed before the other.
As someone who stopped watching after season 2 this video is incomprehensible
12:24: Did you mess up on the effect there? Also, I really hate it that they jumped into 5 years in Dead City, like Maggie straight up left everyone after Rick came back. I like the show, but still.
Daryl is looking for Rick because he didn't want to believe he was gone
I actually quite liked season 9, despite the messy time jumps. However, what came after that, season 10, was total shit once you got halfway through. And I hope I don't get attacked for saying this, but I truly think The Whisperer's arc ruined Carol's character. I couldn't stand her after s9. Hell, quite frankly, a lot of characters we'd grown to know and love just didn't feel like themselves anymore by that point.
And about Rick's departure, I can't be too mad about it. I understand Andrew wanting to go home and spend time with his family. However, I won't lie and say it didn't suck.
Yeah it went downhill a long time ago. The whisperer storyline wasn't that great. It should have ended after Negan it was a hit show so studio wanted to keep it going.
It’s impressive the potential they had with this “universe” but it’s true that they end up confusing everyone
The 6 year time jump was not about Rick but all about aging Judith up to replace Carl as the Grimes kid on the show.
The first 6 seasons of twd were straight up masterpiece. It is up there with breaking bad, Chernobyl etc but amc just couldn’t stop being greedy it’s really sad to see it being ruined man.. it has so much potential to be one of the best. For me the first 6 seasons will always be in the conversation. The only season that I liked after ss6 was ss9. They also killed Carl the most fucking important character in the series. For me twd downfall was when Carl died..that’s why the series is still be dragging till now 🥲
Carl was boring af and did nothing noteworthy in the show. As a comic reader, I quite enjoyed that switch up from the comics. Not only would I have not wanted Carl to be a lead on the show after Andy left, but it opened so many cool stories unique to the show. Writing Carl off was the best decision the show made in the later seasons. Besides, no one liked Carl when he was on the show. Everyone hated on him so hard and wanted him off the show and then whined when they got what they wanted. There was no love for him when he was on the show.
@@BoogSReviewsDon't include me in you "everyone" pal. Carl's journey was the anchor of the show, just told through Rick's perspective, it wasn't the main focus but it represented the central theme of the story. Without Carl, the story became unfocused, and it started to lean towards scfi schlock, specially now. They tried to turn the main anchor into some kind of "Grimes" legacy, but that is not enough, not at all.
The character of Carl was pivotal. If the actor lacked skills to lead the show, hell, even a recast during the New Beginning timejump would've been less damaging to the bigger picture than what they did.
That was peak TWD and I'd say seasons 1-3 are the best. After the Governor it went downhill. The Negan arc dragged on too long then it became repetitive.
@@BoogSReviewsif you "read" the comic, you would've known Carl had a ton of opportunities as the lead of the show.
@@jonfreeman9682 Negan single handedly carried season 7-11
I wish they’d do a season of a show or a separate show if the very beginning of it all. Showing in detail the collapse and spread of it and how people initially reacted. A lot of shows and movies totally screw that up and it sucks cause it’s one of the most interesting parts
That’s literally what “Fear The Walking Dead” was The beginning of it all
@@dmac24ismThat's what they promised us, but that's not what it delivered. They did a two week time skip and completely skipped it all. I felt duped af.
They did that in fear the walking dead. It was billed as see how it all began but the show changed direction after Morgan showed up but it was still good. They nicely wrapped up the series giving each character a nice conclusion.
@@jonfreeman9682I don't think anyone watched Fear or god forbid sat through the whole series. it's basically Season 7 of the main series but stretched out over 9 seasons. The new characters were so bad that they had to bring Morgan, Dwight and even a flashback of Rick to get people invested 😂
It’s actually kind of crazy that in the span of only 6 episodes, we have a total of 7 and a half years of the story skipped over in the show. A year and a half in 9x1 and then another 6 years in 9x5
1:02 idk about this one. almost every single piece of successful zombie media, before and after twd, takes place during the fall of society. how is that what made it unique? whats much more unique is setting it long after the fall, and showing the rebuild of society. that's rare. you got it mixed up.
Yeah that was weird but I think he was trying to say something about how character focused it was in the early days? It kind of transitioned into that but it was a bizarre way to state that for sure.
@nizzleprizzle9783 i think youre right. its kind of just a thing with a lot of small channels, it takes a while to get the script writing to a higher level. its all a learning process.
Yeah I meant to say it was very character focused. That's my bad
@@tsctonic 👍
Imagine they combine all the shows in someway where they all come together to fight a common enemy or sum
Great video. Good to see other people trying to make sense of this mess
It's not walking anymore it's just dead
If you count breaking bad & better call saul has canon it makes even less sense because saul's arrest is 2 days after the apocalypse starts.
Judith is a boring character
Better than RJ 😂
@@PlayMakerGames.RJ’s just fine , because they don’t show him that much , and that’s good, but Judith has an entire story acr , and it’s not necessary at her age . They should’ve waited to give Judith a bigger role , in my opinion.
You're sick she's probably one of the best actresses in the whole thing
Depends on your expectations. She couldn't carry the torch left behind by Carl, but it's a pretty big shoes to fill. I like her chemistry with Negan at least, though that sounds a little messed up.
@@paulcarpenter7844 cap
This is why I prefer to head cannon each season taking place over a year each, it's easier on the brain
Honestly at this point I wish they'd just do another spin off like fear, from the start of the apocalypse disconnected from the rest, but this time don't change everything after establishing it...
Honestly the walking dead as a whole aged so poorly in my opinion. I was an obsessed with the walking dead growing up and I wanted to show my wife the show. The first 2 seasons are good but after I really started to notice all the flaws with the show mainly with the pacing. This series was not meant to be 16 episodes, a lot of episodes just feel so long and drawn out. A lot isn’t happening and we have to sit through BS until we get to the good stuff. The thought of having to watch 11 seasons knowing that it gets worse and all the spin off shows made us stop watching the show all together.
The spin offs are good and first two seasons were pretty average from then on it gets better. until season 9 the last three aren’t that bad well…. The ones who live are some of the best out of the walking dead the end was very rushed tho. I don’t know how they are dragged out 16 ep seemed fine 13 is always too short so 16 episodes a season was good idk why ur complaining about that.
S2 is easily the best, S3 was also pretty good but a bit weak towards the end, S4-6 are so overrated by the fanbase (like the characters are probably at their best but the storylines and antagonists are too weak compared to the previous seasons). After that the show completely died, I only save S9 because it was a breath of fresh air after the dreadful Savior arc, but it's still not as good as the first seasons
@@lmao7612 I did not like the first two seasons I found it hard to even watch season was my favourite 4-6 are overrated but still great. You really didn’t like season 8 and 7?
@MartinBeatrix I didn't, in fact, I think those two seasons perfectly highlighted one of the show's greatest weaknesses: the showrunners failing to write storylines that lived up to the greatness of the main characters.
This came out before GoT changed the game. Too few main characters really seemed in danger past the first few seasons. The zombies were an afterthought, and yes I totally understand the Nietzschean trope of man being his own worst enemy, but the stakes never felt consequential.
It’s insane how they took the protagonist, wrote him out, then kept the mainline show going for 3 seasons with the side characters. Then they gave the protagonist a “spinoff”. THEN they made the characters who WERE side characters their own spinoffs. There are still so many plot threads they’ve left open, so it feels like this series will never end.
Obviously fans want to see a reunion between Rick and Daryl (which is probably how they’re going to finally put a pin in the series). The series started with a man desperately trying to find his family in a broken world and eventually trying to make that world habitable for them. Ending the series with Rick and Daryl reuniting reduces Rick’s character arc to him just…reuniting with an old friend?
A year ago, it felt like they were building to a huge battle between the CRM and the Commonwealth and some kind of revolution within the civic republic, but that whole thread got resolved.
Daryl looking for Rick body fits perfectly his character. Thats the thing he hangs to, as long as he doesnt find his body (while searching for it) he has hope Rick is still alive, look how important Rick is to him throughout entire series and especially the times they met and created their relationship
The only error i see with that timeline graphic at 0:01 is that Tales "groundhog day" episode takes place in 2010, but The Ones Who Live episode 1 covers at least Rick's story between 2014-2023
Great video homie! I do have a suggestion tho, put your script on the same monitor as your camera. You look away a little too much!
Please don't use the casual fan can't get into the franchise argument. All of the shows are for the fans that stayed. It's not unique to TWD. Ever try to figure out The Fast and The Furious Timeline? Prequels and sequels and spinoffs are nuts!
I don't agree that the 6 year jump was bad. I think that all the great shows that go on and on reinvent themselves constantly. One prime example is ER, which went through a revolving door of lead actors and stories. Another example is MASH, which started out as slapstick with Burns and Blake before hitting its stride with BJ and Potter. All the characters were given a storyline in both of those shows and there wasn't a true 100% lead for every episode. Some characters got more until they got less or moved on. Carter (ER) transformed from a lowly grunt to a Yoda role. Klinger got the big payoff for his character by finding love and deciding to stay after seasons of wanting nothing more than to leave. In just those examples, the characters were the same but we watched them grow.
I do NOT love everything about TWD, ER and MASH. I am hoping Negan can continue to change with DC S2 coming up. I want to see him see Gabriel, Dwight, Daryl, Carol, and of course, Rick. I want Negan and Rick to have to figure out how to put the past behind them. I know a brother and sister who are as far apart from each other as R and N in being able to move forward after awful things in the past. I want to use that as an example for them to finally understand that you can't change the past.
Thanks for the video.
Carol said Sophia died 12 years old,but I feel like that dosnt add up right🤷♂️
Ironically, my favourite seasons from TWD are the last three. It just feels like an entirely different show. I loved that mix of horror with politics with weird romance drama and action scenes. I hope I'm not the only one. Although, I do think the show could have ended on multiple occasions. The first 6 seasons will forever be the real TWD. One of the best shows ever made.
The first 6 seasons up to the Negan arc was peak TWD. With 16 million live viewers it hit an all time peak. Then by season 11 it only had 2 million viewers so they needed a reboot. But no doubt I'd say season 1-3 was the best. Season 1 is arguably the most incredible considering it's only 6 episodes and they had a very small budget.
@jonfreeman9682 no doubt one of the best shows ever made
@@tomascostanzo3673No... doubt. Your taste is bad.
@@user-nl5re1th8pWhat’s the best show?
@@user-nl5re1th8pIf you say breaking bad get tf out here
I personally would just cancel everything. I've been following daily theory videos, watching twd over and over again, creating a world in my head, thinking how could Rick come back, how the runners would invade the world, the CRM... and everthing just falls apart. i want this show to get cancelled and forget about it.
I really dislike the idea that people think the show should've ended at season 5. That's like stopping invincible at season 2 because the ending felt better, or ending game of thrones at season 4 and ignoring the rest of the source material. Imagine being a comic fan, waiting for the whispers or Negan to show but the show ended right before the world got so much bigger.
Well as long as fans are there AMC will keep the show going. But every show loses viewers over time and by season 11 it got to the point they had to end it and tried a reboot. Not sure but I think it worked. Fans wanted fresh stories so that's why they split it into 3 series.
@@jonfreeman9682 The should've ended at season 11, where the comics ended.
Honestly that's the difference between mediums though, sometimes stories portrayed on screen have different lifespans than stories portrayed through books or comics. There's plenty of movies out there that are based on books, comics or games that never told the complete story they adapted for a variety of reasons
I think it was mainly done to make Judith older so she could be an actual character and basically replace Carl, but of course if Carl was still around it wouldn't have been that big of a time jump
You should definitely make a video about the dismantling of FTWD
I'm thinking about it! But that also means I have to go back and watch seasons 4-5 again...
The Walking Dead timeline is so so so weird..
The Walking Dead is a series that actually doesn't need a central main character. If they would just follow the story of multiple different characters that are in different areas, having different encounters, sometimes encountering each other, it could work. Hard to have a long running story using the same characters over and over without it becoming stale, but if they were to introduce new characters, and come up with new situations (which shouldn't even be that hard) Then, it could work. Why continue following Rick and his group for this long when you could have been introduced an array of new characters. They almost got it with Fear, but then they brought in Morgan, and did whatever they did to his character. On top of that, they'll need better writers, probably hire writers that are actually working class, and not a bunch of corporate heads. Corporations are destroying storytelling, you destroy the heart of a story when you're merely writing it to make money, and that is also a huge problem
Clearly it does... as the side character filler episodes are the main reason for the decline of the show. Once Rick left it became unwatchable.
Side note, but I do find the satellite falling right into their enemies territory just enough to screw them over, forcing our heroes to deal with said Fire
The Whisperer arc was sick af and im tired of pretending it wasnt. Creepy as shit, negan's Redemption, different enemy than we ever imagined and it had stakes.
Sometimes, evil for the sake of evil can work - especially after a 2 season arc with a villan as charismatic as Negan.
There's obviously a viewer base, so at this point I say they just keep making stuff till people stop watching. It's gone on so long that most people that wanted to know how it would end have stopped watching and those watching are just there for whatever they are getting out of it. I'm currently reading the comics in my free time at work and am on the second to last arc, so I'm going to get my conclusion, doesn't bother me if the show never "ends". It would be neat to see an animated as close to 1:1 adaptation but honestly I'll be fine with the comics if it never happens.
Bro seasons 1 and 2 are masterpieces imo. Because of Frank Darabont. 3 and 4 were pretty good too, but I think 4 is when I started to see the flaws. You could feel the writing shift. Idk. If amc had just fired Vince Gillian, breaking bad as we know never would’ve existed, and instead they’d still be cooking in an rv on season 20
I do feel like some people forget Robert Kirkman promised to keep doing this show and comics until we just stop watching or buying issues.
It's all just gotten too big, confusing, and inconsistent, and yet at the same time they don't connect things or have an overall direction anymore, they're just waiting for it to end
I found Fear of the walking dead ended up filling like a fall out series by the time of the nuclear attack lol enjoyed it but felt less and less like a walking dead show 😊
Carol meeting Daryl made me wonder: is this an American thing? why they just talk the hell out of everything that very happened to them. they are just cold and like yeah, I just found you in France so what.
I saw a comment on another video how we got all our villains starting stories.
What a great comment.
Imagine this spin of branch story.
Just so little thought about progress. But hey Darabont wanted as much.
Gimple is a joke.
THANK YOU! Yeah the timeline is completely fudged!😂
Yeah it's complicated lol. I made this video in order to explain it for people and even then I was still confused after doing a bunch of research lol.
@ I strongly doubt even AMC knows wtf is with the timeline.💀☠️
The show itself is just a disaster in general. They devaited too far from the source material, writing declined, characters were boring, important characters left, filler episodes, too many spin off attempts, lost 98 percent of its viewership.
Good thing he went into depth with an 7 page script which gives us this 18 min video.
I miss whenever AMC actually adapted the TV show better than the comics because they expanded on characters like the hunters and claimers and made them far more interesting than their comic counterpart. Now, they make terrible changes like killing Carl and keeping Eugene alive instead
Great video man! Btw where did you find that graphic of the walking dead shows timelines? I’d love to have that graphic!
Are you referring to the one shown in the first couple of seconds? I made that one myself!
@@tsctonic By the way, I have to ask : the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise had also some problems as we saw with the failures in 2023 such as "Ant-man : Quantomania" or even "Thor : Love and Thunder" in the phase 4 to 5 BUT despite all that, Kevin Feige himself and the others productors involved seems trying to fix their mistakes by slowing down the outcome of new productions and giving more time to the writing in order to make it better and also make sure that the public is not bored by it; now from it has been said in that video the AMC studio doesn't seems to try making things right so WHY didn't they fixed their mistakes.
It’s not story driven. It’s money driven. That’s it.
I’m still watching them all. I guess I liked the comics that much and see the two as separate entities. It’s almost high budget fan fics. Well it kinda is literally.
Very first second of the video, timeline is already incorrect.
Seasons 1/2 are from August 25th 2010 to Nov 15th 2010, skipping the winter & spring, where season 3 starts in June 2011 & ends July 2011.
Skipping fall/winter, season 4 starts January 2012 & season 8 ends June 2012. Seasons 4-8 all happen in 6 months, no large time skips between seasons.
Peace with the saviors after season 8 lasts through all of 2013, Rick blowing up on the bridge March of 2014. The next episode (season 9 episode 6) skips 6 years forward to 2020.
Pike deaths in 2020, whisperer war in 2021, Pamela arrested in 2022, Daryl leaves to find Rick in June 2023, Carol following less than a few months later AS WELL as Rick & Michonne returning home. By the time Carol finds Daryl in France, Rick & Michonne are already at the commonwealth.
Dead City is 6 years later in June 2029.
The timeline I showed in the beginning was relative time. I know a lot of the dates overlap. But it would've been messy to include specific dates for every show in a single image.
thinking abt it amc could of done what telltale did. First season you have lee taking care of clem, next season she’s taking care of herself. amc could of done that with Judith and make her js like clem or similar ( if yall know clem got that dog in her)
As an elder walking dead fan, the cinematic universe has to die, we need a comic accurate animated series.
Yea but without rick dying the way he did
@@MartinBeatrixhonestly prefer the comic ending to TOWL's
@@lmao7612 Yea carls ending but not ricks
@MartinBeatrix oh yeah, definitely
like that's ever going to happen
Carl Needed to be ralecasted during the time skip, it was too jarring to hear them talk to a older teenager like a tween.
No Way Out is where the show should have ended. That would have been a perfect series finale
I loved Tales of the Walking Dead. I thought it was a great way to tell solo stories unrelated to the main universe.
Didnt they mention a sickness that hit Alexandria during the 6yr? And Maggie got into some stuff on the road with Georgie. Its a safe bet that they really didnt have an immediate threat in the meantime, nothing thatd be worth seeing or what couldve been filmed
Idk I loved the 6 year time jump. It really made the show feel fresh again. It felt like such a breath of fresh air after season 7 and 8.
I used to be a massive fan of TWD and still am to some degree. I am currently watching the TWL spinoff. The time jump is a big problem for me. 6 years seems too long for so many things that happen to be believable. Looking back at it all, I think the show should have ended at Season 8, or make Season 9 as a conclusion to the show to wash the bad taste of season 8 out of people’s mouths. It is going on way too long.
It was the same for the comics really. They got really really bad after the time jump.
Great video. Early seasons great show, died towards the end. The spin offs are more action shows rather than horror survival, absent of all semblance of good writing (Fear seasons 2&3 were great) but everything else has been a HUGE mess.
erm... the time jump was also in the comics, which was the source of the story back then...
they need a new show that shows all the stuff we want
I wouldnt botger trying to follow any timeline, the writers messed it up big time,
I checked out after s7. Haven’t watched it since
Well, you could just stop watching and caring and then it wouldn’t be a problem anymore
my guy...the time jump was always gonna happen, not cuz of the savior arc lmao, comics buddy
The comic time jump right after the savior arc was 2 years. Which the show matched closely with it's first time jump in season 9. However the 6 year time jump that occured, never happened in the comics.
@@tsctonicThe 6 year time jump was necessary and made the show feel fresh again.
Nice intro!
Great video, but you gotta slow down and enunciate a bit better. You're hard to follow. Every few sentences there was something you said that was just gibberish. Keep up the good work.
Mann they shoulda just started off a new show with a new famiky keep it simple interesting ah better graphics better storyline all that and we can literally have the walking dead back alive and thriving smh I be wondering who tf running these companies man they don’t wanna have legendary shit for the culture they keep dropping bongs ever since fear the walking dead season 3🤦🏽♂️
Loved the video
I don’t care Season 9 is one of the best seasons of the show 💯💯🔥🔥
Carl was such a terrible character tho and chandler Riggs is a dreadful actor. I was glad when he died.
The problem I have with this take is that it sounds like you were uninterested when you decided to write this video essay. It's a valid complaint from a casual viewers perspective, not knowing that you don't have to watch *all* the spinoffs to understand the main story; and sure, there's some continuity errors, but again, those don't really matter that much unless you're trying to form one giant narrative, which doesn't seem to have been the goal. I will say, the sequels are pretty funky in their timing, but they are, again, three separate stories.
I'll agree that it seems like they're trying to keep a dead horse running through. Honestly, we could've just had TWD, FTWD for the crazier stuff, and TOWL to finish of Rick and Michonne's stories and been peachy.
my guy are you slow in the head, how do you figure this guy is a casual twd watcher. Anyone who decides to make a video about a show who was most popular 10years ago is a hardcore fan.
@mobb3307 that's not even remotely true. People make video essays with the single intent of crapping on things, or pointing out nothing but flaws all the time. CinemaSins is a textbook example of that, albeit from a more comedic stance than others.
This timeline is awful, at 4-5 years woud make sense between s1-8
why is most of the video literly 20 fps. i can watch it
The timeline is a hot mess that’s “one” of the reason’s I stopped watching after the big jump. Their telling the same story over, and over “build, new big bad, big bad wins, they rebuild, and beat the big bad” rinse and repeat, and add some character’s they don’t develop just to kill off before the rinse & repeat. They’re dragging the franchise , and it’s sad, because it was great. If they waited a few years for interest to build between new show’s they wouldn’t have to butcher the timeline , and they could work towards a cohesive franchise finale something we all deserve , if anyone we love is still alive.
Carl died show went to shit
You really over complicated that lol. I've rarely had trouble following the time line.
Then you said someone who starts watching in the 4th seasons of fear needs to go back to season 1 to know what's going, well duh. That's 90 percent of good tv shows. You don't start watching from season 4. Who does that? Lol
Dead City being in 2029 seemed weird so I was with you on that...But then you said it could be 2025 which is alot closer to normal time. So you just picked 2029 to make your argument better lol
That being said, let's be honest. The characters themselves have probably lost track of actual time. They rarely reference dates or even birthdays. I'm willing to bet different people in different places are keeping different time.
The reason why I said you could watch fear from season 4 was because it was essentially a reboot that killed a majority of the original characters. Theres very little continuity in the story, cinematagtaphy, pacing, characters, and overall direction after season 3.
Morgan was now the lead instead of the clark family.
I picked 2029 for dead city because the actress for Maggie herself said it took place then. It also lines up close with Hershel's age.
Yes it's realistic that a person would forget the exact dates for things but in a scripted series where every line of dialogue is meant to have a purpose, having dates that contradict themselves is bad writing and planning.
@tsctonic Yea but in the scripted show it didn't tell you these dates. They purposely avoid it. It's just you guessing, and picking what you like to fit your opinion/narrative.
I was sure there was way more time between s 1 and 8. I don’t think it was 2years tbh like just look at Carl. It was NOT 2 years
Unfortunately I think that's just a problem of having a child actor. The time between seasons caused him to age way more then he should. Around the time of the 2 year time jump in the comics, carl is only around 13 years old.
TOWL retconned it to five years!🤣
I'm guessing you're referring to where it says 5 years after the Bridge? That part was just showing Rick attempting to escape throughout the years. The main part of the show matches up with the current timeline. Which takes place somewhere around the year 2023.
@ I was but remember for Michonne it said 6 years after bridge and she met Nat and them?
@@brianachim2670 I didn't know this when I first watched it, but apparently there was around a 1 year time jump after Michonne inhaled the chlorine gas. Which I believe matches it up with everything else.
@@tsctonic Thoughts on them retconning the time skip, they said multiple times season 10 is ten years in?
Homie your speech had a few time jumps of its own throughout this video😭 slow downnn!😂
Bro I don't get how you dont have above 50k subs, crazy to me. Big ups on you bro
I’m sorry but seasons 9b and 10 were amazing.
No. S9 saved The Walking Dead.
The scene on the beach is still the most embarrassing thing ive ever seen on tv. Final nail in the coffin of a show already 5 seasons past its prime
You don’t need to recap a show to explain a timeline dude. Jesus, have some respect for peoples time.
The whole franchise is absolute bare minimum
Vid couldve and should’ve been wau shorter
I disagree personally