Why would you care for success/prestige if your Se is inferior? I appreciate passion alone. I don't care if it brings results in real life scenarios. Focus on effectiveness in real life application is more of an ENxJ thing, not Ni dominant and Se inferior. It seems your ratio of Te, Fi and Se is different than clear Ni, Te, Fi, Se path. Ambiversion is a thing, so I would consider something like an introverted ENTJ / between INTJ and ENTJ. Or higher Te focus will less developed Fi function.
@@jonintrovertednerd9988Effectiveness/Material success/ Prestige is the domain of an extroverted judging function like Te and not an extroverted perceiving function like Se. That is the reason why ESTJs and ISTJs who don't have Se in the top four slots still care a lot about effectiveness or material success or prestige. In short, any type with The in the top two function slots cares a lot about effectiveness or success or prestige. As a contrast, take ISFP who has secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP. For more details watch the videos by Michael Pierce or read up his blog to know the definitions of types.
What makes me let down by people as an INTJ is : They aren't like me, they don't have a giant plan and a system, they don't wanna like ... rule the world kinda thing, they don't recognize how sincere and honest I'm and that I mean what I say, they don't care about the Grinding in order to make something great in life - and it's hard for me, they don't see the big picture like I do so the only way for me to move them is achiving my system and then show them like kids -SEEE IT WORKS godamnit . this is tough. They don't get how f smart I'm and how much Idiot I'm in the same time - and how hard I work In order to do those amazing systems and works I do, they just don't believe it's possible to work like this, and they will never understand, and If I'll make it they will thing "oh. that lucky bastard" for sure, this is how it goes, the only way for me is to finish the giant system completely and then make it work , then after showing that, someone will understand. but I'll never go to that length of showing them , I'll just gave up on understading that I'm grinding the most, but , ahh.... I hope I won't get burn out. this is scary best for me to finds partners first , then, be friends with them
"they don't get how smart and how dumb I am at the same time" is the core message here LMAO. Also I do think what you said is correct: we have to acheive and then say " GODDAMNIT LOOK AT ME IT WORKS!!
I don’t think we have too high standards, I think that we just don’t have the need of having a bunch of people nearby. My opinion is that since INTJs can stay by themselves and even like it, they don’t need to make themselves like people who they don’t really, I mean really, like. I personally have few friends but they are perfect friends to me -and if they weren’t, I probably just wouldn’t have wasted my time with them, because I don’t see the purpose of hanging out with people who don’t meet my standards, whatever level that is. I’d rather spend my time alone than wasting it. (Also, please excuse any mistakes, I’m still learning English)
@@GhostofJung they know who I am and so how to interact with me: be decently organised, don’t ask me to meet them with other people and be honest about their feelings -I can offend people without realising it but if I do I want to have the possibility to discuss and clarify that I didn’t mean to. And I agree with you about the first two points, but only towards (?) friendships because with my fiancé things went kinda differently 😁 we knew each other many years ago and it was before I put these standards to “enter my circle”, but we eventually loved each other and now I have an unreliable unorganised fiancé who I’ll never leave 😅
ENTP here. I've both thought/felt the same for a long time and also been told by people who disappointed me that I have too high standards. So I definitely think this is an NT issue broadly. I think because we neglect Feeling in our lives and psyches, we end up over relying on Thinking for interpersonal stuff, which is really more naturally the realm of Feeling. And because we overvalue the importance of Thinking there, we specifically focus on people's decisions and choices as indicators of their underlying character when choosing who to invest in/trust/spend time with etc. I think other types are maybe more free flowing when it comes to connecting with people and investing in them despite character flaws. But because we don't get as much energy from Fe/Fi, we don't credit their contributions in those areas as much as others do, and comparatively overvalue people's choice making capacity and priorities (relative to how important they actually are for quality in-the-moment interaction and intimacy building) Choice making and moral character are of course very important for relationships, but because we care about those more than most people, we're therefore usually always gonna be at the top of the heap for those things, so it makes sense that we'd look around and see everyone else not on our level. But there's probably something to the fact that they all look at us like we're autistic. I think we're probably making the right judgement when it comes to investing in people long term, because "character is destiny" etc, but I think we're probably under-valueing how worthwhile it is to engage more superficially in superficial relationships with people you don't trust that much and won't allow to come too close. My tendency is to think if someone isn't mature/moral enough to be a good long term friend/partner/lover then fuck em I'll just not waste my time trying, and instead keep looking for the gold people. But I think an ESFP would maybe ignore thinking about the long term investment potential, overlook the negatives in the person, and just enjoy them for their positives in the short term, and I think there's probably a lot of wisdom in that approach too. And I reckon if you give people more of a pass and be more willing to just selfishly indulge in their positives in the short term while just keeping things superficial wrt the long term to protect yourself, you will probably also discover new cool positive things about them that you wouldn't have noticed had you chosen to write them off. But I reckon even if you don't, there's probably a lot of value we're leaving on the table from assuming it's only worthwhile to properly invest in high quality people and assuming that using people more instrumentally for short term gratification is necessarily immoral. I think it could actually be part of a healthy lifestyle and a way to honour the good in people without having to push them out of your life for their obvious red flags Sorry I couldn't be more concise, I'm a bit busy today
great comment! I think the NT part is generally the reason, though functionally we could break it down more be each type. "I think it could actually be part of a healthy lifestyle and a way to honour the good in people without having to push them out of your life for their obvious red flags" -- yes I think this is a very mature way to be, something I am working on right now
I think they get somehow offended or intimidated when we are thinking critically and they don't like that level of complexity so they gaslight and tell you stop analyzing or thinking so much and start acting like you are the problem. Then you get frustrated with their refusal to analyze things or have some kind of standards and trying to look at things objectively---since they prioritize nonsense and feelings and making everybody happy and superficiality and not rocking the boat---and then they get offended by your frustration with them and start telling you that you think you're so smart and other things like you have no common sense and you should know how we all feel and it's all you. So then you get sick of that baloney and try to be around people who can think better and have goals in life and standards and, in short, are passionate and think more like you, analyzing things in the world around you and figuring out why they work that way and why they Don't work that way and how it can be better and why this is a problem---and those people are pretty few and far between. I pretty much never have any issues being collegial and friendly around high perfoming, creative, intelligent people with goals or passions. The issue is when you get surrounded by muggles and then they start giving you grief when you're being yourself and trying to tell you how much you are this or that when you aren't.... and one of the ways they do this is say "Oh, you just think you are so smart and better than anyone" (when you aren't actually doing that) because they want to avoid actually dealing with any of the issues or observations you are pointing out (and just blame you for being "holier than tho"/ mr. smartypants instead). So that's where that comes from (from them) but also why we have do deal with it all the time and then start wondering if it's us somehow: the herd keeps screaming "It's YOU!" at you when you are mainly just being yourself and not actually trying to talk down to them or be negative. That's just they way they deal with their insecurity and refusal to see what they do and how actually dumb most people objectively are inside a system of systems that are all highly dysfunctional. (Avoid mentioning the dysfunction, keep everybody cheerful and liked, accept all faults and incompetence except the one that points it out: attack that one!....is their motto). See :) I solved the problem for you.
Why would you care for success/prestige if your Se is inferior? I appreciate passion alone. I don't care if it brings results in real life scenarios. Focus on effectiveness in real life application is more of an ENxJ thing, not Ni dominant and Se inferior. It seems your ratio of Te, Fi and Se is different than clear Ni, Te, Fi, Se path. Ambiversion is a thing, so I would consider something like an introverted ENTJ / between INTJ and ENTJ. Or higher Te focus will less developed Fi function.
@@GhostofJung I can say more about it, since my explanation was brief. I think your Se usage is higher than inferior. Honestly I see this most commonly. Talking ambiversion - Most people would be between extroverted and introverted. Towards INTJ this would mean more or less between INTJ/ENTJ. I apply this towards all MBTI types. It's safe to say that towards INTJ spectrum we have a subtype with higher focus on Te and Se, but lower Fi (because Te opposes it) and also Ni (Se opposes it). ^ It's logical to see Te as opposite to Fi (thinking is I'm opposition to feeling and extroverted is in opposition to introverted). Boosting or lessening one changes the other. We could of course bring up loops, grips and whatever it is. But I really don't like doing this. Observing people I see that there are general tendencies towards how our personalities look like, and this can't be explained by grips or loops. We can also talk neurotransmitters. It's perfectly logical to say that we all have different neurotransmitter balance. So when you take two INTJ spectrum individuals both of them can have different levels of dopamine, ACh, serotonin and so on, everything here translating to our personality. If your Se is more developed then I would assume your dopamine levels are higher for example, mine are not high for sure (natural predisposition and some issues arising from this). Whereas I could have a lower Se focus and more hyper moral approach & a bit obsessive self control.
Effectiveness/Material success/ Prestige is the domain of an extroverted judging function like Te and not an extroverted perceiving function like Se. That is the reason why ESTJs and ISTJs who don't have Se in the top four slots still care a lot about effectiveness or material success or prestige. In short, any type with The in the top two function slots cares a lot about effectiveness or success or prestige. As a contrast, take ISFP who has secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP. For more details watch the videos by Michael Pierce or read up his blog to know the definitions of types.
@@Hari-kx2er "As a contrast, take ISFP who has secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP" It appears you never knew an ISFP in your life, especially ennagram 4w3. Not concerned with prestige, right. You are wrong sir. Simply repeating a common dogma, without considering additional factors. What you said doesn't connect only to Te users whatsoever, you would knew this if you contacted an Se driven ENFJ in your life. You would knew this if you wouldn't spend your life with nose in books - Reality checking and learning, instead of drowning in theories. Additionally I specified that I talk about success & goal focus. Te is not goal oriented by itself, people like as an example Musk aren't Ni dominant, Ni dominants are predomiantly perceiving / absorbing and not acting First understand the difference between introversion and extroversion. Cognitive introversion (for all types) is more proactive and procrastinating. Whereas the later is focused on action, acting out and putting things into practice. It has nothing to do with my perception or my type even - As it's about all introverts. Goals and success focus have nothing to do with Te. Only Ni or Se. If one is Ni dominant then committing to action comes hard, it's generally of lesser priority than working on things internally. Ni dominants also do something because they like it and it interests them. With higher Se practical application is always of a higher priority, then need to benefit from it / have some use in it. They are more focused on acting externally. In opposition to Se inferiors, who in their natural state internalize into Ni. Most MBTI nerds have the same issue understanding Te I think. This is just a popular MBTI dogma, lacking any deeper and wider understanding of what a crrtian function does. So you as well - Learn to distinguish Se-Te vs Te-Se. Not all Te usage is the same. Te is just knowledge, truth, extroverted data and systems. One combination focuses more on perceiving / absorbing it (Se-Te) and playing with it internally (Ni-Te) - What INTJs do predominantly. Second combination focuses on putting it into practice to achieve their Se goals (what ENTJs and ESFPs do predominantly). And combining it with Ne instead of Ne gives it even different qualities (in how it would be used). Te is not freaking goal oriented. I don't care what MBTI theory says on this specific thing - It makes zero sense to anyone who can draw basic parallels. If Te was the goal oriented function then ENFJs, ESFPs and ESTPs wouldn't be highly goal oriented, yet they are. Goals are about real life scenarios and connect more to Se, to the practical and action oriented area. Te itself is not action, it is data and systems. Damn. Ne is a goal oriented function as well, but working differently. Less specific, leas enforcing and direct. Probably having more smaller goals at a time, and follow them up either in a specific order (higher Si) or more impulsively (Si inferior). You can't have a singular understanding and say that Te is 'goal oriented' in general. This opinion applies only to ONE particular combination (Te-Se) and not JUST Te in general. Coming from its combination with HIGHER Se. By combining functions with one another you define what they do (action, perception, empathy, expression...). Fe can be similarly 'goal oriented' - Also when combined with a higher Se or Ne. Fe-Se being very enforcing, focused, action oriented. Fe-Ne being more idealistic and less focused/ direct. For this rrason ENFJs aren't any less goal oriented and enforcing in their plans than ENTJs. Or both (Te and Fe) can be more purely perception oriented - Through Se-Te or Se-Fe. What Ni dominants do. Ni dominants - Who are PERCEIVING function dominant. We act less, we mostly PERCEIVE and learn. Create ideas and more often than not neglect putting them into practice (what triggers ENxJs when observing INxJs).
@@Hari-kx2er Right, referring to authorities you idolize doesn't make you automatically, whatsoever. I don't spend my life being told what to think and sticking to books - I observe how types act in real life and learn about facts instead. Sources are abused. People often employ sources selectively to validate their own opinions, rather than seeking genuine understanding. Instead of approaching subjects with an open mind, many individuals use sources to confirm preconceived notions. This practice, while common, doesn't necessarily lead to truthful outcomes. It's more truthful and factual to approach topics impartially, observe without bias, and then form judgments based on what's observed. Individuals with dominant judging function may tend to twist this order around. Starting with their judgment (theory, opinion) and then using sources to reinforce their views, potentially hindering objective analysis. Starting from a neutral observation standpoint can foster a more objective assessment, allowing for a broader consideration of ideas beyond personal biases. The truth is that otherwise we are going to see what we want to see, ignoring additional facts and being satisfied with our self confirmation. To me, this is really an absurd order. You can't be objective when your starting ground is always judgmental (Te, Fe, Ti, and Ti dominants). You should start with observation and then make an unbiased judgment, instead of starting with a judgment (what's true according to you) and seeking sources to confirm yourself (or looking at an object of your analysis with the intention of finding something to confirm your theory). Then we just get stuck and actually fail to consider anything outside of our egos, raging that 'our sources said so!'" In reality, using sources to back up our own judgments is not better than listening to someone's empirical experience and knowledge. Usually it's worse. Quite dishonest and not any more factual (just because you provide sources that suits you). Ti/Te dominants talk about being factual, but I observe them falling into this trap frequently. seeking data to confirm it in a self-serving manner. And when someone offers other arguments, they don't listen, being essentially locked onto their opinions and just having an illusion of being objective.
1. be reliable => yeah I struggle really with this, with some of my friends and don't know how to handle it. Internally I marked some ppl as "unreliable"... 2. above average intelligence - Intelligence is somewhat important but I think the point with an open mind ranks higher for me. 3. be successful (in anything) - I wouldn't say be successful is important for me at all. But I would replace it with has (for me) interesting informations. This can be a topic I try to understand or just a feedback or new point of view of a known topic.
LOVE this. Firstly, great question. HELL yes to follow through. Open mindedness is essential - even if we don’t agree I still love learning about WHY or HOW one got there in their mind lol. I never thought about the success thing, but now that I am thinking about it…I do think that highly appeals to me when someone has something they excel at. Most people are boring so that prob helps with that. Oh gosh - the let down thing, yes. We are much deeper than ‘we all think everyone is dumb’, I concur. Which has made me often think - I wonder how many INTJs are water signs. I do wonder if there is any correlation. Us water signs are intense “feelers” whether we show it to the outer world or not.
I think I have too high standards 😭 having Se inferior and Fe blindspot don't help. Being one of the rarest type with the rarest function Ni as dominant function doesn't help. In same time, I felt that I don't really need friends. Online friends are great. Hard to find friend at our level. I have the same criteria as you + many others : kindness, respectful, don't judge negatively, don't laugh at other people instead help them, listening (deeply not in surface, I want the full attention of the person), compassion, accept me as I am, don't force me (propose, not impose), don't get mad at me if I prefer to be alone and refuse your invitation (I need a lot of calm, or it's just I am not interested at all by the things others like) I also have difficulties to trust people. _I need to be intellectually stimulated, not sensory stimulated, and it's very important. Be friend = having same interests in general. What interest the majority doesn't interest me at all. And what interest me, the majority don't know it, they find it weird or don't believe me. Or also find me weird if I don't talk or don't react, it's just I rarely do the first step. I think INTJ we are more likely to have very specific passions and interests, very different from what the majority like and are niches : MBTI, philosophy, psychology, astrology, astronomy, science, art, spiritual things, systems to know ourselves deeply, existential/essential questions.. very complexes and abstracts interests. We need to find people who have same interests/passions. Also we love our alone time, to go deep in the topics we love, understand and learn. But in same time we are open to every conversation, until we start to be too philosophical for other persons, and so they don't understand what we are talking about and we lost them😅 We lost other people because we are too deep and philosophical, or other lost us because it's too much sensory for us. Our mind is too abstract and complexe for other I think. People are sometimes frightened by us : our silence and intensity. The silence is scary 😆 or comforting depending of the person. If I talk to someone, answer or accept his invitation, he can consider him very lucky. 🍀 I am sociable, it's just I rarely do the first step.
based on everything you wrote I could easily be your friend, you centered so many points: the need of personal space, the level of the discussions, not too much sensory stimulation. It would be amazing to meet a person like you (and like me, and all the other INTJs) in real life and don't have to explain every single time why I prefer to stay at home and how we can spend our time just talking (about deep themes) instead of desperately looking for something to do. 🥲
I think they can be intrigued and frightened by us! I don't think any INTJs I've come to know are actually intimidating once you peel back the onion, but they are definitely weird in their hobbies and passions are not mainstream.
Howdy hi hi, Prior to watching this video I'd like to share some of my own insights on the topic as stated in the video title. I say, that most people are simply and this makes sense I think, on an equal footing as far as intellect goes. With the exception of physical brain deformities, traumatic injuries, or diseases such as migraine, etc. An otherwise healthy individual is, I think, on par with the most intelligent people who have ever existed. But this is where personality kicks in. There is an interesting feature about the MBTI that most people either overlook, or are unaware. To demonstrate this draw a vertical line down the center of a page. On the left starting near the top write, also vertically the letters INTJ, and on the right ESFP. Near the left corner write cognitive, and on the right write social. Some time ago I came across an idea that introverts are as they are due to being more sensitive to the euphoric effects of acetylcholine, while extroverts similarly benefit more from dopamine. And this left me wondering if this could be true for other neurotransmitters as well thus giving us a physiological basis for the manifestation of personality. It is easy when we think of it this way to see why any given person would favor certain traits over others. Now back to that chart I just had you make. Consider that each letter in INTJ lends itself more toward cognition while ESFPs are full blown socialites. The remaining 14 personalities are some mixture of these two extremes. Social interactions, by their very nature tend to involve many individuals. As such there are lots of details, feelings, events, etc, for us to process at any given time. Whereas on the cognitive side, if we are not bogged down by all these details. Problem solving and logic are by comparison relatively simple tasks. Now if you add some more lines on the horizontal plane, separating out each letter. We see that the top row concerns how a person restores their energy levels. The second line is all about data gathering when approaching any given problem or issue. The third line is all about how we prefer reach a solution to said issue. And then finally the forth line deals with how we evaluate what we've come up with. Once it is understood the ways in which divergent personalities operate in the real world. It easy to see why so many INTJ conclude that others are "just dumb". But this is a failure by the INTJ in understanding the ways in which the human mind functions. Other types are not "just dumb" they are simply processing a lot more material than an INTJ will typically allow into their headspace. And now, on with the show... I think you asking a lot of the right question on this topic. On the topic of which elements are for lack of a better word 'better'. I would point out that each of the last three letters, have associated with them a certain speed in their processing. With NFPs having the quickest response time finding an initial theory. But NTJs being far more likely to have that theory be right the first time. As an example, consider someone who was perhaps the most famous INFP Albert Einstein. Given the above information one might say that he took the Alexander G. Bell approach to problem solving. "I didn't fail x number of thousands of times! I just learned that many ways to not make a light bulb!" But with his N and J elements in full swing, it was very easy for him to dismiss ideas that just didn't work. While his F processing kept churning out new ideas at a breakneck speed that would make an INTJ's head spin. Anyways, thanks for the interesting topic. I enjoyed sharing my thoughts on the topic. I hope you day treats you well.
Interesting topic. I've thought about this quite a bit, too. I like people and I'm very easy-going, nonjudgmental, so I'm surprised that more people have not randomly fallen into becoming my friend. I seem to catch people at transitional moments in their lives, I think because I enjoy discussing deeper, conceptual topics. And then, you know, they move on. But maybe that type of exploratory discussion places too much of a cognitive burden on the other person? People don't always want that. My focus is often analytical and looks to casually uncover meaning or to share knowledge and insight in some form. Too, people seem to perceive me as maybe having barriers or boundaries, when truth be told, I don't really. For the record, I don't think in terms of people being 'dumb'. Usually people form their orientation, preferences, understanding, and coping mechanisms on some basis--so I'm just curious. People can be ignorant though, and I will swiftly away :)
I agree that we don't really have any barriers! i think we are very authentic and open, but we will not just START talking about all our problems, issues, traumas, family etc like other types. When people do discover tings about us, they always go, "I never knew that!" Yeah -- you never asked.
I’m an intj-A my experience since I’m emotionally disconnected I find extrovert extremely dull cause they care about feelings being fake / superficial cause they will agree with everything and not have their own opinion or if they do Its similar yours which is they can’t think for themselves and constantly seek approval from others to be happy which bugS me they should just do what is right not make an show to show the world how great liars they are, I like people to be authentic, but it’s sad to say this most people are ego driven dumbasses who always want to put their two cents in after an intj speaks agreeing with them then changing things slightly so they think they are smart, I find idiots unbelievably annoying that’s why I come up with weapon systems so I can eliminate most of these mindless eaters whom just seek to annoy me an try to ignore my brilliant nature to make themselves look cool after stealing my ideas. It’s sad to say this being smart is rare and being an good friend is almost impossible almost everyone is an fake friend looking for ways to exploit others for their own benefit like the sage saying only friends betray you, this is why I don’t have friends nor speak to my family because they seek to control not to listen. Which a true friend wants you to live your life not tell you what to do.
I think you can add Extroverted Intuition to 3. People with Ne may not be ultimately successful, oftentimes they don't finish their projects, but their ideas and way of thinking have certainly an appeal to INTJs. And with the standards - it would be a problem if we have high standards for everyone else and none for ourselves. But the contrary is true - I beat myself so often because I don't meet my own standards, so it would be irrational to praise someone for something you would never accept for yourself.
Interesting take. I don't know any dominant Ne users that have high standards for others. For the most part they're very accepting. This has nothing to do with Ne by itself but I'm seeing the pattern.
@@GhostofJung Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. I meant the creativity, the mind of an Ne user as a reason for respect similar to success even if they aren't that successful. If you have an INTP inventor and an INTJ businessman, the inventor would likely have a lot of unsuccessful inventions and nothing really mature. The INTJ can make a lot of money out of these projects, but he can and should respect the INTP for his way of thinking, of coming up with ideas the INTJ would never have thought of. History has a lot of these pairs. The standards I meant for INTJs as myself. An Ne user would likely always miss the standards of "get things done, effectively" I set for myself, but that is not the point here. It is a Ying/Yang thing here.
“ I thought that my type of intelligence was closer to the pinnacle “ - That’s probably a Ni #1 thing, I’ve thought the same too but there’s definitely some truth to it. Ni in the top 2 is the rarest of all functions Ti being number 2. Id also bet hard money that more Ni dominant people have reached enlightenment or at least glimpsed it like I have, the only 2 others I personally know who claim to have experienced it described my own experience to me without knowing mine prior, one was another INFJ and the other ENFJ. You can say that’s a small sample pool but this is a rare thing we are talking about. I believe that Ni and Fi are the most important functions, but I know that Ni and Ti especially together are the deepest cutting and most “mental” combination of functions. Though Ti is not the most important ingredient for enlightenment that’s Ni, it definitely helps to understand although sometimes I wish I could trade it for Te so I could actually focus on getting the task done like Buddha, instead of not sullying the concept through implementation like Michael Pierce said in his book 😂😂 it’s hard being Ni #1 but there’s a lot of gifts. I think at the start up menu when you choose your character class, Ni doms are some of the harder classes to play in a lot of aspects but ultimately are always going to be meta.
Is it me or is it them are two unlikely positions. It assumes all or nothing. We all exist somewhere in the middle. I can only set standards for myself and observe the standards others set for themselves. I won't be friends with someone if they have a negative impact on my life or with whom I feel antagonistic. So, an example. Someone who is unreliable but likes doing some of the things I like. I don't expect anything from them and don't make plans that rely on them. Let's say I wanted to go to the symphony, I would invite them and explain my plan for the evening. If they show great, or if they want to pop in an out during the evening, that's fine. It doesn't change what I do, but I get to share some of the experience with someone who appreciates it. The people who are less like me sometimes have perspectives I hadn't considered or knowledge I don't posses and can enrichen the moment.
It sounds to me - as compared with my wife as well - that your friends need to, at minimum, not drag down your parent Te. And if they can boost your Te, so much the better. I don't think INTJ friend standards are too high, because your Te needs to be protected in certain ways. What seems to be different with INTJs is that some lesser relationships for other types get called friendships, and INTJs will resolutely refuse to call them friendships.
I agree with the person who commented saying they'd rather be alone than waste their time with people that don't meet their criteria. That's pretty much it. I don't think my criteria is too narrow or standards are too high and I don't think people are dumb lol - I think that we are just very self-aware (moreso than some other types maybe) and I don't like having to pretend. I know (from experience which informs my current intuitions) what most likely will/will not lead to genuine connection. I don't want to waste my time anymore than I already do lol
"I know (from experience which informs my current intuitions) what most likely will/will not lead to genuine connection." YES! 10 seconds into a conversation it's like - yep this will go nowhere. But we can just be wrong here, even though our Ni/Fi is telling us to trust it.
I don’t think it’s “too high standards”, I just think others don’t value what we value as much. Plus LOTS of Extroverted Feelers in my family and I would say I have less “friends” than they do but the friends they have are more superficial and mine are deeper relationships. I also think though that understanding where people are in life is super important too. I’ve said no to requests for various things because I knew I wasn’t reliable and even now, giving the stage of life I’m in, anytime I commit to something it’s with the caveat that I have higher priorities that I will choose over this commitment if something comes up. 😅
I have ridiculous standards for myself. For the others less so. They have their own decisions to make. I can even be friends with those I consider unreliable. I just don't count on them as parts of my plans so this means that they are more likely to be excluded from my non-personal activities or those where I'm working with limited number of people. Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed. I don't care if they're succesfull either. I'm not and this would make a hypocrite. They just HAVE to be interesting. And with this I won't compromise. Or more precisely I have to find them interesting. Because for different people are interesting different things. So... yes, that means also intelligent. But it still doesn't mean that I can't be let down by others. It happens when I already have them established as a reliable or honourable person and they do something that shatters that image. So maybe I really have high standards even for others after all.
Makes total sense. I think we do set the standards high and even while knowing this, still find ways to be let down by others. " They just HAVE to be interesting." yes I wanted to say this as well!
0:33 1. be reliable
1:42 2. above average intelligence
2:13 3. be successful (in anything)
3:32 why do INTJs feel let down by people?
Why would you care for success/prestige if your Se is inferior?
I appreciate passion alone. I don't care if it brings results in real life scenarios. Focus on effectiveness in real life application is more of an ENxJ thing, not Ni dominant and Se inferior.
It seems your ratio of Te, Fi and Se is different than clear Ni, Te, Fi, Se path.
Ambiversion is a thing, so I would consider something like an introverted ENTJ / between INTJ and ENTJ. Or higher Te focus will less developed Fi function.
@@jonintrovertednerd9988Effectiveness/Material success/ Prestige is the domain of an extroverted judging function like Te and not an extroverted perceiving function like Se. That is the reason why ESTJs and ISTJs who don't have Se in the top four slots still care a lot about effectiveness or material success or prestige.
In short, any type with The in the top two function slots cares a lot about effectiveness or success or prestige.
As a contrast, take ISFP who has secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP.
For more details watch the videos by Michael Pierce or read up his blog to know the definitions of types.
What makes me let down by people as an INTJ is : They aren't like me, they don't have a giant plan and a system, they don't wanna like ... rule the world kinda thing, they don't recognize how sincere and honest I'm and that I mean what I say, they don't care about the Grinding in order to make something great in life - and it's hard for me, they don't see the big picture like I do so the only way for me to move them is achiving my system and then show them like kids -SEEE IT WORKS godamnit . this is tough. They don't get how f smart I'm and how much Idiot I'm in the same time - and how hard I work In order to do those amazing systems and works I do, they just don't believe it's possible to work like this, and they will never understand, and If I'll make it they will thing "oh. that lucky bastard" for sure, this is how it goes, the only way for me is to finish the giant system completely and then make it work , then after showing that, someone will understand. but I'll never go to that length of showing them , I'll just gave up on understading that I'm grinding the most, but , ahh.... I hope I won't get burn out. this is scary
best for me to finds partners first , then, be friends with them
"they don't get how smart and how dumb I am at the same time" is the core message here LMAO. Also I do think what you said is correct: we have to acheive and then say " GODDAMNIT LOOK AT ME IT WORKS!!
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I don’t think we have too high standards, I think that we just don’t have the need of having a bunch of people nearby. My opinion is that since INTJs can stay by themselves and even like it, they don’t need to make themselves like people who they don’t really, I mean really, like. I personally have few friends but they are perfect friends to me -and if they weren’t, I probably just wouldn’t have wasted my time with them, because I don’t see the purpose of hanging out with people who don’t meet my standards, whatever level that is. I’d rather spend my time alone than wasting it. (Also, please excuse any mistakes, I’m still learning English)
Beautiful said. "Perfect friends to me" ok but what makes them perfect?
@@GhostofJung they know who I am and so how to interact with me: be decently organised, don’t ask me to meet them with other people and be honest about their feelings -I can offend people without realising it but if I do I want to have the possibility to discuss and clarify that I didn’t mean to. And I agree with you about the first two points, but only towards (?) friendships because with my fiancé things went kinda differently 😁 we knew each other many years ago and it was before I put these standards to “enter my circle”, but we eventually loved each other and now I have an unreliable unorganised fiancé who I’ll never leave 😅
ENTP here. I've both thought/felt the same for a long time and also been told by people who disappointed me that I have too high standards. So I definitely think this is an NT issue broadly.
I think because we neglect Feeling in our lives and psyches, we end up over relying on Thinking for interpersonal stuff, which is really more naturally the realm of Feeling. And because we overvalue the importance of Thinking there, we specifically focus on people's decisions and choices as indicators of their underlying character when choosing who to invest in/trust/spend time with etc. I think other types are maybe more free flowing when it comes to connecting with people and investing in them despite character flaws.
But because we don't get as much energy from Fe/Fi, we don't credit their contributions in those areas as much as others do, and comparatively overvalue people's choice making capacity and priorities (relative to how important they actually are for quality in-the-moment interaction and intimacy building)
Choice making and moral character are of course very important for relationships, but because we care about those more than most people, we're therefore usually always gonna be at the top of the heap for those things, so it makes sense that we'd look around and see everyone else not on our level. But there's probably something to the fact that they all look at us like we're autistic. I think we're probably making the right judgement when it comes to investing in people long term, because "character is destiny" etc, but I think we're probably under-valueing how worthwhile it is to engage more superficially in superficial relationships with people you don't trust that much and won't allow to come too close.
My tendency is to think if someone isn't mature/moral enough to be a good long term friend/partner/lover then fuck em I'll just not waste my time trying, and instead keep looking for the gold people. But I think an ESFP would maybe ignore thinking about the long term investment potential, overlook the negatives in the person, and just enjoy them for their positives in the short term, and I think there's probably a lot of wisdom in that approach too.
And I reckon if you give people more of a pass and be more willing to just selfishly indulge in their positives in the short term while just keeping things superficial wrt the long term to protect yourself, you will probably also discover new cool positive things about them that you wouldn't have noticed had you chosen to write them off. But I reckon even if you don't, there's probably a lot of value we're leaving on the table from assuming it's only worthwhile to properly invest in high quality people and assuming that using people more instrumentally for short term gratification is necessarily immoral. I think it could actually be part of a healthy lifestyle and a way to honour the good in people without having to push them out of your life for their obvious red flags
Sorry I couldn't be more concise, I'm a bit busy today
great comment! I think the NT part is generally the reason, though functionally we could break it down more be each type. "I think it could actually be part of a healthy lifestyle and a way to honour the good in people without having to push them out of your life for their obvious red flags" -- yes I think this is a very mature way to be, something I am working on right now
I think they get somehow offended or intimidated when we are thinking critically and they don't like that level of complexity so they gaslight and tell you stop analyzing or thinking so much and start acting like you are the problem. Then you get frustrated with their refusal to analyze things or have some kind of standards and trying to look at things objectively---since they prioritize nonsense and feelings and making everybody happy and superficiality and not rocking the boat---and then they get offended by your frustration with them and start telling you that you think you're so smart and other things like you have no common sense and you should know how we all feel and it's all you. So then you get sick of that baloney and try to be around people who can think better and have goals in life and standards and, in short, are passionate and think more like you, analyzing things in the world around you and figuring out why they work that way and why they Don't work that way and how it can be better and why this is a problem---and those people are pretty few and far between. I pretty much never have any issues being collegial and friendly around high perfoming, creative, intelligent people with goals or passions. The issue is when you get surrounded by muggles and then they start giving you grief when you're being yourself and trying to tell you how much you are this or that when you aren't.... and one of the ways they do this is say "Oh, you just think you are so smart and better than anyone" (when you aren't actually doing that) because they want to avoid actually dealing with any of the issues or observations you are pointing out (and just blame you for being "holier than tho"/ mr. smartypants instead). So that's where that comes from (from them) but also why we have do deal with it all the time and then start wondering if it's us somehow: the herd keeps screaming "It's YOU!" at you when you are mainly just being yourself and not actually trying to talk down to them or be negative. That's just they way they deal with their insecurity and refusal to see what they do and how actually dumb most people objectively are inside a system of systems that are all highly dysfunctional. (Avoid mentioning the dysfunction, keep everybody cheerful and liked, accept all faults and incompetence except the one that points it out: attack that one!....is their motto). See :) I solved the problem for you.
Why would you care for success/prestige if your Se is inferior?
I appreciate passion alone. I don't care if it brings results in real life scenarios. Focus on effectiveness in real life application is more of an ENxJ thing, not Ni dominant and Se inferior.
It seems your ratio of Te, Fi and Se is different than clear Ni, Te, Fi, Se path.
Ambiversion is a thing, so I would consider something like an introverted ENTJ / between INTJ and ENTJ. Or higher Te focus will less developed Fi function.
interesting, so you think im more ENTJ than INTJ? Not complaining LMAO
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I can say more about it, since my explanation was brief.
I think your Se usage is higher than inferior. Honestly I see this most commonly. Talking ambiversion - Most people would be between extroverted and introverted. Towards INTJ this would mean more or less between INTJ/ENTJ. I apply this towards all MBTI types.
It's safe to say that towards INTJ spectrum we have a subtype with higher focus on Te and Se, but lower Fi (because Te opposes it) and also Ni (Se opposes it).
^ It's logical to see Te as opposite to Fi (thinking is I'm opposition to feeling and extroverted is in opposition to introverted). Boosting or lessening one changes the other.
We could of course bring up loops, grips and whatever it is. But I really don't like doing this. Observing people I see that there are general tendencies towards how our personalities look like, and this can't be explained by grips or loops.
We can also talk neurotransmitters. It's perfectly logical to say that we all have different neurotransmitter balance. So when you take two INTJ spectrum individuals both of them can have different levels of dopamine, ACh, serotonin and so on, everything here translating to our personality.
If your Se is more developed then I would assume your dopamine levels are higher for example, mine are not high for sure (natural predisposition and some issues arising from this). Whereas I could have a lower Se focus and more hyper moral approach & a bit obsessive self control.
Effectiveness/Material success/ Prestige is the domain of an extroverted judging function like Te and not an extroverted perceiving function like Se. That is the reason why ESTJs and ISTJs who don't have Se in the top four slots still care a lot about effectiveness or material success or prestige.
In short, any type with The in the top two function slots cares a lot about effectiveness or success or prestige.
As a contrast, take ISFP who has secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP.
For more details watch the videos by Michael Pierce or read up his blog to know the definitions of types.
@@Hari-kx2er
"As a contrast, take ISFP who has
secondary Se and inferior Te. They have similar difficulties with effectiveness and similar lack of concern for prestige that resemble INFP"
It appears you never knew an ISFP in your life, especially ennagram 4w3. Not concerned with prestige, right.
You are wrong sir. Simply repeating a common dogma, without considering additional factors. What you said doesn't connect only to Te users whatsoever, you would knew this if you contacted an Se driven ENFJ in your life. You would knew this if you wouldn't spend your life with nose in books - Reality checking and learning, instead of drowning in theories. Additionally I specified that I talk about success & goal focus.
Te is not goal oriented by itself, people like as an example Musk aren't Ni dominant, Ni dominants are predomiantly perceiving / absorbing and not acting
First understand the difference between introversion and extroversion. Cognitive introversion (for all types) is more proactive and procrastinating. Whereas the later is focused on action, acting out and putting things into practice. It has nothing to do with my perception or my type even - As it's about all introverts.
Goals and success focus have nothing to do with Te. Only Ni or Se. If one is Ni dominant then committing to action comes hard, it's generally of lesser priority than working on things internally.
Ni dominants also do something because they like it and it interests them.
With higher Se practical application is always of a higher priority, then need to benefit from it / have some use in it. They are more focused on acting externally. In opposition to Se inferiors, who in their natural state internalize into Ni.
Most MBTI nerds have the same issue understanding Te I think. This is just a popular MBTI dogma, lacking any deeper and wider understanding of what a crrtian function does.
So you as well - Learn to distinguish Se-Te vs Te-Se. Not all Te usage is the same.
Te is just knowledge, truth, extroverted data and systems. One combination focuses more on perceiving / absorbing it (Se-Te) and playing with it internally (Ni-Te) - What INTJs do predominantly.
Second combination focuses on putting it into practice to achieve their Se goals (what ENTJs and ESFPs do predominantly).
And combining it with Ne instead of Ne gives it even different qualities (in how it would be used).
Te is not freaking goal oriented. I don't care what MBTI theory says on this specific thing - It makes zero sense to anyone who can draw basic parallels. If Te was the goal oriented function then ENFJs, ESFPs and ESTPs wouldn't be highly goal oriented, yet they are. Goals are about real life scenarios and connect more to Se, to the practical and action oriented area. Te itself is not action, it is data and systems. Damn.
Ne is a goal oriented function as well, but working differently. Less specific, leas enforcing and direct. Probably having more smaller goals at a time, and follow them up either in a specific order (higher Si) or more impulsively (Si inferior).
You can't have a singular understanding and say that Te is 'goal oriented' in general. This opinion applies only to ONE particular combination (Te-Se) and not JUST Te in general. Coming from its combination with HIGHER Se.
By combining functions with one another you define what they do (action, perception, empathy, expression...).
Fe can be similarly 'goal oriented' - Also when combined with a higher Se or Ne. Fe-Se being very enforcing, focused, action oriented. Fe-Ne being more idealistic and less focused/ direct. For this rrason ENFJs aren't any less goal oriented and enforcing in their plans than ENTJs.
Or both (Te and Fe) can be more purely perception oriented - Through Se-Te or Se-Fe. What Ni dominants do. Ni dominants - Who are PERCEIVING function dominant. We act less, we mostly PERCEIVE and learn. Create ideas and more often than not neglect putting them into practice (what triggers ENxJs when observing INxJs).
@@Hari-kx2er
Right, referring to authorities you idolize doesn't make you automatically, whatsoever. I don't spend my life being told what to think and sticking to books - I observe how types act in real life and learn about facts instead.
Sources are abused.
People often employ sources selectively to validate their own opinions, rather than seeking genuine understanding. Instead of approaching subjects with an open mind, many individuals use sources to confirm preconceived notions. This practice, while common, doesn't necessarily lead to truthful outcomes. It's more truthful and factual to approach topics impartially, observe without bias, and then form judgments based on what's observed.
Individuals with dominant judging function may tend to twist this order around. Starting with their judgment (theory, opinion) and then using sources to reinforce their views, potentially hindering objective analysis. Starting from a neutral observation standpoint can foster a more objective assessment, allowing for a broader consideration of ideas beyond personal biases. The truth is that otherwise we are going to see what we want to see, ignoring additional facts and being satisfied with our self confirmation.
To me, this is really an absurd order. You can't be objective when your starting ground is always judgmental (Te, Fe, Ti, and Ti dominants). You should start with observation and then make an unbiased judgment, instead of starting with a judgment (what's true according to you) and seeking sources to confirm yourself (or looking at an object of your analysis with the intention of finding something to confirm your theory). Then we just get stuck and actually fail to consider anything outside of our egos, raging that 'our sources said so!'"
In reality, using sources to back up our own judgments is not better than listening to someone's empirical experience and knowledge. Usually it's worse. Quite dishonest and not any more factual (just because you provide sources that suits you).
Ti/Te dominants talk about being factual, but I observe them falling into this trap frequently. seeking data to confirm it in a self-serving manner. And when someone offers other arguments, they don't listen, being essentially locked onto their opinions and just having an illusion of being objective.
1. be reliable => yeah I struggle really with this, with some of my friends and don't know how to handle it. Internally I marked some ppl as "unreliable"...
2. above average intelligence - Intelligence is somewhat important but I think the point with an open mind ranks higher for me.
3. be successful (in anything) - I wouldn't say be successful is important for me at all. But I would replace it with has (for me) interesting informations. This can be a topic I try to understand or just a feedback or new point of view of a known topic.
LOVE this. Firstly, great question. HELL yes to follow through. Open mindedness is essential - even if we don’t agree I still love learning about WHY or HOW one got there in their mind lol. I never thought about the success thing, but now that I am thinking about it…I do think that highly appeals to me when someone has something they excel at. Most people are boring so that prob helps with that. Oh gosh - the let down thing, yes. We are much deeper than ‘we all think everyone is dumb’, I concur. Which has made me often think - I wonder how many INTJs are water signs. I do wonder if there is any correlation. Us water signs are intense “feelers” whether we show it to the outer world or not.
Knowing you, I'm pretty sure someone being successful or at least highly competent is attractive to you.
I think I have too high standards 😭 having Se inferior and Fe blindspot don't help. Being one of the rarest type with the rarest function Ni as dominant function doesn't help. In same time, I felt that I don't really need friends. Online friends are great. Hard to find friend at our level.
I have the same criteria as you + many others : kindness, respectful, don't judge negatively, don't laugh at other people instead help them, listening (deeply not in surface, I want the full attention of the person), compassion, accept me as I am, don't force me (propose, not impose), don't get mad at me if I prefer to be alone and refuse your invitation (I need a lot of calm, or it's just I am not interested at all by the things others like)
I also have difficulties to trust people.
_I need to be intellectually stimulated, not sensory stimulated, and it's very important.
Be friend = having same interests in general. What interest the majority doesn't interest me at all. And what interest me, the majority don't know it, they find it weird or don't believe me. Or also find me weird if I don't talk or don't react, it's just I rarely do the first step.
I think INTJ we are more likely to have very specific passions and interests, very different from what the majority like and are niches : MBTI, philosophy, psychology, astrology, astronomy, science, art, spiritual things, systems to know ourselves deeply, existential/essential questions.. very complexes and abstracts interests.
We need to find people who have same interests/passions. Also we love our alone time, to go deep in the topics we love, understand and learn.
But in same time we are open to every conversation, until we start to be too philosophical for other persons, and so they don't understand what we are talking about and we lost them😅
We lost other people because we are too deep and philosophical, or other lost us because it's too much sensory for us.
Our mind is too abstract and complexe for other I think.
People are sometimes frightened by us : our silence and intensity. The silence is scary 😆 or comforting depending of the person.
If I talk to someone, answer or accept his invitation, he can consider him very lucky. 🍀
I am sociable, it's just I rarely do the first step.
based on everything you wrote I could easily be your friend, you centered so many points: the need of personal space, the level of the discussions, not too much sensory stimulation. It would be amazing to meet a person like you (and like me, and all the other INTJs) in real life and don't have to explain every single time why I prefer to stay at home and how we can spend our time just talking (about deep themes) instead of desperately looking for something to do. 🥲
I think they can be intrigued and frightened by us! I don't think any INTJs I've come to know are actually intimidating once you peel back the onion, but they are definitely weird in their hobbies and passions are not mainstream.
Howdy hi hi,
Prior to watching this video I'd like to share some of my own insights on the topic as stated in the video title. I say, that most people are simply and this makes sense I think, on an equal footing as far as intellect goes. With the exception of physical brain deformities, traumatic injuries, or diseases such as migraine, etc. An otherwise healthy individual is, I think, on par with the most intelligent people who have ever existed.
But this is where personality kicks in. There is an interesting feature about the MBTI that most people either overlook, or are unaware. To demonstrate this draw a vertical line down the center of a page. On the left starting near the top write, also vertically the letters INTJ, and on the right ESFP. Near the left corner write cognitive, and on the right write social. Some time ago I came across an idea that introverts are as they are due to being more sensitive to the euphoric effects of acetylcholine, while extroverts similarly benefit more from dopamine. And this left me wondering if this could be true for other neurotransmitters as well thus giving us a physiological basis for the manifestation of personality.
It is easy when we think of it this way to see why any given person would favor certain traits over others. Now back to that chart I just had you make. Consider that each letter in INTJ lends itself more toward cognition while ESFPs are full blown socialites. The remaining 14 personalities are some mixture of these two extremes. Social interactions, by their very nature tend to involve many individuals. As such there are lots of details, feelings, events, etc, for us to process at any given time. Whereas on the cognitive side, if we are not bogged down by all these details. Problem solving and logic are by comparison relatively simple tasks.
Now if you add some more lines on the horizontal plane, separating out each letter. We see that the top row concerns how a person restores their energy levels. The second line is all about data gathering when approaching any given problem or issue. The third line is all about how we prefer reach a solution to said issue. And then finally the forth line deals with how we evaluate what we've come up with.
Once it is understood the ways in which divergent personalities operate in the real world. It easy to see why so many INTJ conclude that others are "just dumb". But this is a failure by the INTJ in understanding the ways in which the human mind functions. Other types are not "just dumb" they are simply processing a lot more material than an INTJ will typically allow into their headspace.
And now, on with the show...
I think you asking a lot of the right question on this topic. On the topic of which elements are for lack of a better word 'better'. I would point out that each of the last three letters, have associated with them a certain speed in their processing. With NFPs having the quickest response time finding an initial theory. But NTJs being far more likely to have that theory be right the first time. As an example, consider someone who was perhaps the most famous INFP Albert Einstein. Given the above information one might say that he took the Alexander G. Bell approach to problem solving. "I didn't fail x number of thousands of times! I just learned that many ways to not make a light bulb!" But with his N and J elements in full swing, it was very easy for him to dismiss ideas that just didn't work. While his F processing kept churning out new ideas at a breakneck speed that would make an INTJ's head spin.
Anyways, thanks for the interesting topic. I enjoyed sharing my thoughts on the topic. I hope you day treats you well.
Interesting topic. I've thought about this quite a bit, too. I like people and I'm very easy-going, nonjudgmental, so I'm surprised that more people have not randomly fallen into becoming my friend. I seem to catch people at transitional moments in their lives, I think because I enjoy discussing deeper, conceptual topics. And then, you know, they move on. But maybe that type of exploratory discussion places too much of a cognitive burden on the other person? People don't always want that. My focus is often analytical and looks to casually uncover meaning or to share knowledge and insight in some form. Too, people seem to perceive me as maybe having barriers or boundaries, when truth be told, I don't really. For the record, I don't think in terms of people being 'dumb'. Usually people form their orientation, preferences, understanding, and coping mechanisms on some basis--so I'm just curious. People can be ignorant though, and I will swiftly away :)
I agree that we don't really have any barriers! i think we are very authentic and open, but we will not just START talking about all our problems, issues, traumas, family etc like other types. When people do discover tings about us, they always go, "I never knew that!" Yeah -- you never asked.
I’m an intj-A my experience since I’m emotionally disconnected I find extrovert extremely dull cause they care about feelings being fake / superficial cause they will agree with everything and not have their own opinion or if they do Its similar yours which is they can’t think for themselves and constantly seek approval from others to be happy which bugS me they should just do what is right not make an show to show the world how great liars they are, I like people to be authentic, but it’s sad to say this most people are ego driven dumbasses who always want to put their two cents in after an intj speaks agreeing with them then changing things slightly so they think they are smart, I find idiots unbelievably annoying that’s why I come up with weapon systems so I can eliminate most of these mindless eaters whom just seek to annoy me an try to ignore my brilliant nature to make themselves look cool after stealing my ideas.
It’s sad to say this being smart is rare and being an good friend is almost impossible almost everyone is an fake friend looking for ways to exploit others for their own benefit like the sage saying only friends betray you, this is why I don’t have friends nor speak to my family because they seek to control not to listen. Which a true friend wants you to live your life not tell you what to do.
I think you can add Extroverted Intuition to 3. People with Ne may not be ultimately successful, oftentimes they don't finish their projects, but their ideas and way of thinking have certainly an appeal to INTJs.
And with the standards - it would be a problem if we have high standards for everyone else and none for ourselves. But the contrary is true - I beat myself so often because I don't meet my own standards, so it would be irrational to praise someone for something you would never accept for yourself.
Interesting take. I don't know any dominant Ne users that have high standards for others. For the most part they're very accepting. This has nothing to do with Ne by itself but I'm seeing the pattern.
@@GhostofJung Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. I meant the creativity, the mind of an Ne user as a reason for respect similar to success even if they aren't that successful. If you have an INTP inventor and an INTJ businessman, the inventor would likely have a lot of unsuccessful inventions and nothing really mature. The INTJ can make a lot of money out of these projects, but he can and should respect the INTP for his way of thinking, of coming up with ideas the INTJ would never have thought of. History has a lot of these pairs.
The standards I meant for INTJs as myself. An Ne user would likely always miss the standards of "get things done, effectively" I set for myself, but that is not the point here. It is a Ying/Yang thing here.
“ I thought that my type of intelligence was closer to the pinnacle “ - That’s probably a Ni #1 thing, I’ve thought the same too but there’s definitely some truth to it. Ni in the top 2 is the rarest of all functions Ti being number 2. Id also bet hard money that more Ni dominant people have reached enlightenment or at least glimpsed it like I have, the only 2 others I personally know who claim to have experienced it described my own experience to me without knowing mine prior, one was another INFJ and the other ENFJ. You can say that’s a small sample pool but this is a rare thing we are talking about. I believe that Ni and Fi are the most important functions, but I know that Ni and Ti especially together are the deepest cutting and most “mental” combination of functions. Though Ti is not the most important ingredient for enlightenment that’s Ni, it definitely helps to understand although sometimes I wish I could trade it for Te so I could actually focus on getting the task done like Buddha, instead of not sullying the concept through implementation like Michael Pierce said in his book 😂😂 it’s hard being Ni #1 but there’s a lot of gifts. I think at the start up menu when you choose your character class, Ni doms are some of the harder classes to play in a lot of aspects but ultimately are always going to be meta.
Hahaha yes when you're picking the character traits and you only have 100% to spread around over 8 functions, how much Ni will you give yourself?
@@GhostofJung atleast 30-40% 😂 I’d be turning Fe wayyyyy down, but truth be told Si discipline is what I’m lacking the most in my life.
Is it me or is it them are two unlikely positions. It assumes all or nothing. We all exist somewhere in the middle. I can only set standards for myself and observe the standards others set for themselves. I won't be friends with someone if they have a negative impact on my life or with whom I feel antagonistic. So, an example. Someone who is unreliable but likes doing some of the things I like. I don't expect anything from them and don't make plans that rely on them. Let's say I wanted to go to the symphony, I would invite them and explain my plan for the evening. If they show great, or if they want to pop in an out during the evening, that's fine. It doesn't change what I do, but I get to share some of the experience with someone who appreciates it. The people who are less like me sometimes have perspectives I hadn't considered or knowledge I don't posses and can enrichen the moment.
Do we "all exist somewhere in the middle?" Everything else you said is what I believe too, but not this phrase.
It sounds to me - as compared with my wife as well - that your friends need to, at minimum, not drag down your parent Te. And if they can boost your Te, so much the better.
I don't think INTJ friend standards are too high, because your Te needs to be protected in certain ways. What seems to be different with INTJs is that some lesser relationships for other types get called friendships, and INTJs will resolutely refuse to call them friendships.
I agree with the person who commented saying they'd rather be alone than waste their time with people that don't meet their criteria.
That's pretty much it.
I don't think my criteria is too narrow or standards are too high and I don't think people are dumb lol - I think that we are just very self-aware (moreso than some other types maybe) and I don't like having to pretend. I know (from experience which informs my current intuitions) what most likely will/will not lead to genuine connection.
I don't want to waste my time anymore than I already do lol
I think I was the one and I totally agree with you!
@@MsAnthropoLogic yes, it was! Your comment was very well put
@@khayla_matthews thank you! It was like midnight and I was half asleep when I wrote it so it could have been way worse than it actually came out 😅
@@MsAnthropoLogic haha I completely understand
"I know (from experience which informs my current intuitions) what most likely will/will not lead to genuine connection." YES! 10 seconds into a conversation it's like - yep this will go nowhere. But we can just be wrong here, even though our Ni/Fi is telling us to trust it.
This is a good one
Preciate' cha
We're always analyzing, yes standards are EXTREMELY high.
I have an ENTJ besty, he gets me. And that's it. The rest put up with me.
ENTJs are always our besties
I don’t think it’s “too high standards”, I just think others don’t value what we value as much. Plus LOTS of Extroverted Feelers in my family and I would say I have less “friends” than they do but the friends they have are more superficial and mine are deeper relationships.
I also think though that understanding where people are in life is super important too. I’ve said no to requests for various things because I knew I wasn’t reliable and even now, giving the stage of life I’m in, anytime I commit to something it’s with the caveat that I have higher priorities that I will choose over this commitment if something comes up. 😅
I have ridiculous standards for myself. For the others less so. They have their own decisions to make. I can even be friends with those I consider unreliable. I just don't count on them as parts of my plans so this means that they are more likely to be excluded from my non-personal activities or those where I'm working with limited number of people. Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed. I don't care if they're succesfull either. I'm not and this would make a hypocrite. They just HAVE to be interesting. And with this I won't compromise. Or more precisely I have to find them interesting. Because for different people are interesting different things. So... yes, that means also intelligent.
But it still doesn't mean that I can't be let down by others. It happens when I already have them established as a reliable or honourable person and they do something that shatters that image. So maybe I really have high standards even for others after all.
Makes total sense. I think we do set the standards high and even while knowing this, still find ways to be let down by others. " They just HAVE to be interesting." yes I wanted to say this as well!
Zizek: why be happy when you can be interesting?
Human quality distribution is less of a Bell Curve than it is Pareto Distribution. Much less.
Much, much less.
Nice. An INTJ with an MBTi podcast.
Hahaha there's a million of us
I don’t understand how as a Entp I relate to alot of your videos that’s weird 😂
3. Be interesting.
Yes