@@deanobannon842 Wow! You have issues, maybe you should talk to a therapist. In reality, many women have been murdered because the police didn’t believe them.
@@Khrysalis01 I should seek a therapist because I choose reason? Going on evidence and not from what a woman says.. many men have ended up in prison, careers ruined because of false reports,lies women say. If you don't understand that you should see a therapist
@@Khrysalis01 Yes, but she wasnt one of them. She was one of the ones lying. She once played the message from her answering machine saying it was "the man who was stalking her" and she was "positive it was HIM because it sounded just like him"... It was clearly her on the message. She also had access to morphine, which is what she ODed from, and one her her hands behind her back was partially loose (as if it had been slipped under). Her neighbor and bestfriend claimed she saw her multiple times attempting to set up a event. She claimed she thought her friend was sick with some sort of disorder. I have no doubt in my mind Cindy didnt plan on dying that day, only giving herself a enough to knock herself out like she had done before.. Only realizing it she had made a mistake last minuet and ran outside for help. Her body wasnt hidden, but laying open in some bushes> Its because of people like CIndy the law overlooks these things. Its terrible, but she isnt a victim here. (look up her case, there is plenty of convincing evidence Cindy was sufferings some sort of illness). She may even have been doing it lal to spite her ex husband who cheated (as she described him exactly every time she would give statements, almost like she was pointing them to him. Of all the people who fake crimes for attention, some are bound to fudge it up and hurt themselves
I had a psycho ex bf stalk me for years. I had a lawyer tell me she’s had clients denied protection that wound up dead in a ditch. I’ve had police officers and judges laugh in my face denying me restraining orders. It took one good police officer to embarrass the sh¥t out of my ex at work for it to stop. I feel for this woman.
Yeah I was stalked. He called me 50 times while I was reporting it. I asked them to just pick up the phone and say it was the cops so he would stop. They wouldn't. They laughed at me and told me to stop giving my number to men I don't know. Luckily I was states away so I moved and changed my number.
Hi Amy. I think she is innocent and was being stalked. I HATE when law Enforcement doesn't get it. What a terrible ordeal she went through. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this case.
This sounds exactly like what a twisted psychologist would do. Mentally torture someone for years, making them look crazy to the police and everyone else, mind games. Plus she knew who it was, by saying, she said she was "going to reveal that person."
That's exactly what I was coming down to the comments to say. It was mostly torturous mind games...who better for mind games than a -psychologist- *a **_jilted_** psychologist?* Definitely a good motive? Once the police were sick of her complaints and the good doctor filled them in on a fake diagnosis...easy peezy kill! I believe he did it!
@@LifesPeachy321 I am aware. I am speaking of my knowledge of the case before this video was published. I made my comment because the current stage of the case is incongruent with what I remembered.
I was somewhat ambivalent on this. What is really telling is that while claiming to believe that she was doing allthese things to herself, there is no indication that anyone moved to revoke her professional license, or stop her working with vulnerable children. Or ANY children. So, I have to conclude that there were real attackers and at least one murderer, but no one wanted to rattle the cage. I feel so badly for her. I have been stalked.
I feel like she could have moved all around, but as long as she was in touch with the ex husband, the stalker always knew where she was.. in my opinion.
@@MJ-531 But then why stay in touch with him if it could possibly be him that's the stalker?? That makes 0 sense unless it wasn't him and she knew it wasn't him.
How do you commit suicide with your hands tied behind your back. Maybe the police would rather call it anything BUT murder because she filed so many cases and they FAILED to take it seriously. A case of we can't admit we were wrong.
Death from an unknown event and refusing further investigation just says "we effed up and don't want to admit it. Don't look this way." And covered it up entirely, which is sad. How can they not have investigated further at the time?
Gaslighting Psycho husband. Although some of the things seem like they could be her, it's a very specific kind of mind that would be cruel to an animal - and that was not her. So even if he paid someone to do his dirty work - I think it was her husband.
What a heartbreaking story of a woman being tortured by a sadistic ex-husband for years before he murdered her. And the police completely failing to do their jobs! It is completely unacceptable for police to decide that somebody is not being stalked, unless they are doing 24-hour surveillance. It definitely wasn't coming from Cindy. There were witnesses. The voice that was recorded sounded female to me but the husband could have had a female partner in torturing Cindy. People who tried to come around and see what was going on, did see questionable people or persons nearby. This kind of story, sadly, prompts one have less faith in whether or not you can rely on law enforcement when you need them to believe you.
A sadistic ex-husband she continued to date after they were divorced. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure I would not keep dating someone who was torturing me.
I think the ex husband fixed it so no one would believe her and he tortured her off on on and killed her the police really really dropped the ball on this one
Her ex husband had an intimate knowledge of people with mental illness, who better to concoct this sadistic stalking. Of course it was BC police who essentially wrote her off. I am a Canadian and when it comes to the BC police I have no faith them.
Before condemning the Richmond Police Inspectors it might be informative to review their work on this case. Keep in mind that police in general have little recourse to deal with the mentally ill who pose no real threat to others.
Definitely feel it was her husband and he had the ways and means to do all of this. She probably felt nuts having everyone thinking she was crazy and he was so loving every minute of it. So sad!!!
This is most convoluted and the more of these extraordinary cases one reads the more one feels that simply anything is likely. This case, portrayed in this manner, just cannot give us enough evidence for a judgement either way but isn't this the essence of these most human of cases? Deeply grateful..
I tend to agree with your suspicion but what do you speculate was the motive for handing over the voicemails for analysis? Also, is it just me or does the voice in the messages sound like the rough whisper of a female voice?
I obviously didn't get killed by the GSK but when I was a teenager I got a ton of middle of the night whisper phone calls. It was creepy as hell because he would always call just after my mom went to work. I was pretty sure he was watching me.
I'll never understand how her "end" was declared to be "self-inflicted?" Ever since I saw her case on Bedtime Stories, I was pretty sure that this was another one of those cases where the official narrative was bunk.
I have heard this before. I think it was her ex husband. He waged psychological warfare on her so he could be her ‘savior’ by telling her to go to the police, hoping he could swoop in and get her back, and it didn’t work so he tortured her. Poor lady! Thanks for the great videos y’all do! Take care!
This makes me extremely angry. They should have at least tried to prove that she was doing the stalking herself - and maybe would have found who was really doing it! This attitude about stalking needs to change; i'm actually surprised anyone is exposed for stalking and caught. It's all in the victim's mind.
Like many I suspect the ex hubby too. His knowledge of psychological torture cannot be underestimated, means motive and opportunity too. I think the scariest part was the call was coming from inside the house once (wasnt that a film?!) maybe he was in the attic on an extension. Poor woman, must be awful to not be believed. Stalking isnt taken as seriously as it should be by Police and Courts.
Using DNA for evidence was just becoming a thing in 1989, it wasn't' something wide spread or used regularly. People also mention putting cameras on her property, but they weren't very common either, just big stationary things used to deter people more than anything. 1989 was a long time ago technologically speaking.
She was murdered. Usually, when a person commits suicide the weapon remains nearby. It was most likely her ex husband. These incidents started 4 months after she filed for divorce. The police at the time were definitely neglectful. Truly disgusting.
Exactly what i was thinking. Where was the needle or syringe(?) if she injected it herself. The police shouldve search for that first when they found her dead body.
That message on the answering machine was super creepy, reminded me of the GSK when he would call his victims years after he had attacked them. Spooky.
So sad and tragic. I remember Law & Order having an episode on like this years ago and always wondered who it could be possibly based on. But to not be believed and then ultimately lose your life and still have police and others think you did it to yourself....
I absolutely think it was her ex-husband. He was smart enough to figure out how to "bug" the house. And not to hard for him to get a police scanner either. Being a psychiatrist he could have gotten a hold of anti-psychotic medication that wouldn't show up in tests unless they were looked for specifically. And he would have knowledge about those medications too.
Straight out of Alfred Hitchcock movie and the police have a lot to answer for and the husband knew what he was doing being a psychiatrist very sad Thanks for a another interesting recap Amy
This sounds like the plot of an awesome psychological thriller. A woman with paranoid schizophrenia is seemingly having delusions, then it turns out that they're actually manifesting in real life and nobody believes her. Too bad there was an actual victim here. Regardless of what really happened, my sincere condolences to her family and loved ones.
I'm wondering if someone, my bet the ex husband, used Scopolamine on her. Scopolamine, also known as Devil's Breath is what Haitian Voodoo uses to make "zombies." It's medicinal use is for motion sickness and it makes a person very pliant and susceptible to suggestions and with absolutely no memory of the entire time. I took some once after a serious ear surgery and still can't remember the three days after I got home from the hospital. My family said I slept most of the time but did have bouts of "sleepwalking" and talking crazy. After that three days, I was absolutely fine but couldn't remember anything after leaving the hospital. At least I wasn't conscious of the pain and motion sickness but I still feel strange about those unknown three days. And that was just a small, medicinal dose. Yeah, told my doctor that I refuse to take any more of that crazy stuff no matter how desperate I was with severe vertigo.
Are you fuckin' serious?! So, you would rather believe Cindy James was a victim of voodoo rather than Cindy doing all of those things to herself. I mean, when she got that message stabbed in her, it was stabbed in her hand. Meaning, if someone was going to stab a paper message into me I'm going to be fighting them, people fight with their hands, making the hands a moving target, the torso, or back are better targets to stab a message into. But she couldn't stab the message into her own back, she didn't want to do it in the torso damaging organs, so she slammed her hand into the knife. I mean, just because she said a man did it doesn't mean a man did it. What if I told you my ex husband lit my house on fire. Would you believe me? I mean, why would I lie? I would lie to gain attention, and for sympathy. But now that I think about it voodoo, is a better solution.
I’m leaning towards multiple personalities. I’ve seen a case that someone with multiple personality died at her own hands but her main personality didn’t want to die. Her other personality was homicidal towards self, which makes me wonder if it’s not just c-ptsd, in advanced stages. The signs and discrepancies of multiple personalities were similar. PTSD is a psychological injury that the medical and psychiatric professionals do not fix. People with ptsd are left on their own, and can be confused with so many other apparent disorders. PTSD has been mistaken for Borderline Personality Disorder, Depression or Bipolar.
I was just thinking about her a couple of weeks ago. I lived in Vancouver and remember reading about her story. Absolutely heartbreaking for her, I wonder why she wouldn't name him before?
Thank you Amy. The voice sounds like a woman. I think it was her ex-husband, I had an ex-husband that would do these to makes me think I was going crazy, thankfully I realized what he was doing and got away from him.
Looks like I'm in a small minority, but I think the balance of probabilities is that she was doing these things to herself. The fact that she was attacked numerous times, but never had a good description of her attackers, the attacks were serious, but consistently short of what would be required to kill her, and sometimes in her own home which greatly reduced the number of potential attackers. Over all this is just too weird, and if anyone was guilty of harassing anyone, I think it is more likely that Cindy was staging the attacks against herself to try to set up her ex-husband.
I agree; another nurse with munchausen. I don't know of anyone would EVER be alone after just a couple of her claimed incidences. And she never did anything to prove her claims or protect herself; no hidden tape recorders, video cameras, guns, alarm systems, etc.
Yah, Its a pretty out there suggestion to say she did it to herself. And some of the timelines don't really match that suggestion. For example, how she moved and there were no incidents until a few months after. Almost like it would have taken someone a couple months to figure out where she lived. And then of course her death which would be as close to impossible as it gets for someone to do to themselves.
It’s very difficult to inject yourself with a lethal dose of morphine and then be able to tie yourself up in the way she was found. I have serious doubts that she was able to do that herself. I question whether she could even tie herself in that position in a perfectly sober state let alone loaded with enough morphine to kill her. It’s very suspicious.
Geez.. such an infuriating case. I’ve never heard of it. Sounds to me like Cindy was a prime example of why stalking laws were implemented. I don’t think for a second she was doing this to herself. Possibly a doctor who knew what types of drugs could be injected but not able to detect upon testing, there are such things. Also, more than likely someone she knew who could have copied her key. Someone was gaslighting and terrorizing her. I say.. shame on the police with this case. They should have taken it more seriously and tried to obtain some kind of evidence. Too bad security cameras weren’t installed, it was the 80’s so we didn’t have anything like we do now. When my daughter was very young, someone pounded on my door late a night, scared the heck out of me, I called the police because it was literal pounding with fists, and nobody was there, the cops made me feel stupid for calling. As more things continued, it turned out to be a troublesome young boy in our complex who was in the same school as my daughter, he got caught egging our windows and was under 10 years old. Anyway, poor woman. Hope she’s at peace on the other side.
This says ex husband to me. And the fact that she had Morphine in her system, plus the physicality torment that she was getting was enough to put anyone over the edge
i remember unsolved mysteries having the story about cindy james in one of their episodes , definitely scary - i think it was not only one but several people doing all that to her - if you ever decide to do it , would you do a story about the circleville letter writer from ohio - that's another scary one too - have a good day/night
So bizarre and heartbreaking! I honestly don’t know if it was her or someone else…no gut feeling to go off of this time for me. And I hate not believing people. 💔
According her family „Someone highly «intelligent» ….. and sadistic took her life …..“ Her ex husband was a psychiatrist? 🤨 Also could be very Interesting to know the reason of their divorce?
It's easy to feel sorry for Cindy James. And of course, the fact that her ex-husband was a psychiatrist makes him a convenient suspect. In fact, if this comments section is to be believed, he has already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. All we have are theories because none of us were there. The fact that nothing ever happened to her when someone was with her, at least some of the calls she received had come from inside her home, there was never any sign of forced entry make me believe it's possible she did it to herself. I had a stalker back in the 90's and I can tell you that I wasn't out walking my dog after dark during that time. For a woman who was afraid for her life, some of her behavior makes no sense. I hope the truth, whatever it is, is discovered one day.
That's not the police's job to decide if it's mental or if there is somebody stalking her. But that's Canadian law enforcement for you in 1989 forward.
I am so confused by this case!!! I’ve read a lot about it. Münchausen syndrome is real - and has led to other tragedies. BUT - at the same time - there are too many other weird things connected to her case. In defense of the authorities- it’s impossible to investigate something that has NO clues - or when the victim is hiding information. What a sad situation!!
Not surprising the RCMP did nothing, I was stalked for over 3 years and the RCMP told me "I'm not good a good enough job at hiding myself. Can't you change jobs or something?" No Constable, I cannot just change my Career. It was absolutely defeating..
I thought it sounded like a woman, too. But that doesn’t mean the ex had nothing to do with it. Or that some crazy chick wasn’t after her. There are lots of crazy women out there!
All of the incidents involving the "black nylon stocking", before her death, could possibly have been self-inflicted but if one did manage to tie their hands and feet behind their own back then, HOW do they asphyxiate themselves afterwards? For what it's worth, I believe the ex-husband was behind it, after all, he was a psychiatrist, which means you assume he was of high intellect and conversant in psychological methods that could possibly enable him to induce extreme paranoia in someone. Having a high intellect does not mean, however, that he didn't suffer from some sort of psychopathy. Cheers.
I read that the husband was in South Africa at the time of her death, so not possible to kill her, unless he hired someone else. Strange case in many ways.
@@AussieBrit I lived in Vancouver during the 80's, I'm glad I knew less about this case then, than I do now! I can't help but wonder why the private detective didn't find anything. It's still baffling, all these years later. The ex husband could have been involved, except the police couldn't find evidence against him, as well as he was out of the country when she died. His brother supposedly had some murky accusations against him regarding abusing women, so perhaps he was an accomplice. It's all hypothetical, including Cindy's various diagnosis' - mpd, known now as did, could have been easily placed on her by the psychiatrist husband. ... it's a mystery! Poorwoman, whatever happened, is still a tragedy.
@@margaretr5701 I agree about the MPD. This condition is extremely rare yet it's bandied around in Hollywood films etc. like it's par for the course. Agree with all your points. Cheers.
The voice recording sounded like a woman's voice. At least one of the earlier threatening phone calls was traced to inside the victims home. No evidence/disturbance of windows/doors to show break-in. Did anyone check to see if the door/window locks had been changed? Harassment only continued when victim was alone. I suspect the victim may have been suffering from mental illness. Alternatively, a particularly cruel case of gaslighting by the ex? The evidence appears to point at her mental illness/delusion.
The idea of the police not taking a victim's pleas for help seriously gets everyone's blood boiling, but I have to say that I see where the police were coming from and I might even agree with them. So much of this makes no sense at all. She kept being physically assaulted but either never got a good look at her attacker or couldn't remember the attack at all? She would claim to have been drugged, but nothing was ever found in her system until the "attack" that ultimately killed her? If she was telling the truth, then her attacker(s) was/were extremely sophisticated and thorough. That could lend credence to the ex-husband's mob theory, but what would they have to gain by tormenting her for years before killing her? I just can't help but come to the same conclusion as the cops that she was suffering from severe, undiagnosed mental issues. Either that or her ex was a twisted, evil genius.
Just hideous that this poor woman was treated like this when she needed help and protection. 💔Horrific story of yet another victim blamed for their own murder. Thank you for the story and please share more of how the system fails victims of family violence and stalking.
That phone recording was definitely a woman either pretending to be a man or believing she was a man (in a psychotic break maybe). Not saying it was for sure Cindy as I've never heard her natural voice but in my mind it was definitely a woman at least.
I thought the voice on the phone sounded like a female trying to make their voice sound lower. I would have to say I think she may have been responsible for all of this. Its very sad if this is true and very frightening if someone did this to her.
I seen a true-crime show on TV many many many months ago . I can't remember exactly how long but it's been quite a while this story here and it's just as you stated on the True Crime show it also and paint it Cindy as her own aggressor as her own killer . I think it is just truly heartbreaking that this beautiful woman went to her grave and nobody cares enough to find out exactly what happened to her what if it was one of our sisters our mother our aunts or even our daughter - - ????
I’m sorry but this was a very very sad story. 🥺🥺 I can’t imagine knowing someone wants you gone but just keeps terrorizing you until the last chance that they have to actually kill you. That had to be her worse fear too! I pray they find out the truth some how some way! Love watching you and your husband. You guys are great.🥰🥰🥰🥰
10 weeks in a psych unit is pretty significant. I worked as a nurse in an inpatient psych unit and anyone there for that long had major mental issues. What was her diagnosis? That’s pretty pertinent. That so many people stayed/watched out for her but nothing happened at those times is telling. Did they hunt for black stockings in her house? Did they try to pull prints from the notes that were left? The recorded phone message sounded like a woman to me. A lot of unanswered questions to decide but my feeling was she was disturbed enough to do this for attention. She could have injected herself after tying her feet & the stocking (which wasn’t the cause of death) and you can tie a knot that you can self tighten. Perhaps her tying her hands was a way to keep up the ruse while contributing to the appearance of foul play while the morphine overdose was working its way to the inevitable respiratory suppression & death. People can do really messed up things for weird reasons. Read some books by FBI profilers. Some of the things people do for attention are unfathomable. Even if it kills her, in her mind everyone will look at her dead body & think, “she was right!”
I might tick some ppl off but It sounds like a womans voice leaving the messages. She could have planned her death with the drugs on his birthday to make it look like he did it.. If she figured out a way to tie herself up like that then it could explain why she was always tied up the same way.. 10 weeks is a long time to be hospitalized in a psych ward
I agree. It's a lot more sensational to believe it was some genius person or group of people who did this but the reality is there are several cases like this where a paranoid schizophrenic person believes they are being targeted and either knowingly or unknowingly kill themselves while keeping up the story. It's very sad.
Or, as I've long suspected, she had an accomplice who helped her and even gave her the fatal morphine shot. As a nurse, she would be able to direct them in administering the morphine. I believe Cindy had serious mental health problems. She apparently liked being the object of sympathy and enjoyed attention and when the police didn't give it to her, she had no choice but to escalate the phonecalls and cut and paste letters to physical assaults. A very, very sad story.
10 weeks isn't a long time to be in a psych ward if your psychiatrist ex husband tells his other psychiatrist friends that you have multiple personality disorder and you need to be in the hospital that long.
They didn't do investigation as well as we could today, like seeing if she or someone else bought the stockings, no DNA evidence, tracing phone calls, voice analysis, et cetera. Maybe they could do some of that in the 80's, but I'm not sure they would, if they didn't believe her.That poor woman. I just don't know what to think. In either case, self inflicted or stalked, she suffered. It's very sad.Thank you, Amy, for telling her story so sensitively.
The voice on that tape was of a woman. This case is insane. This is the only adjective to describe the events leading up to Cindy James's death. Personally I don't know how a person could hogtie themselves and her death called a "suicide?" But another thing that is so weird is how much Cindy's facial expressions deteriorated so much in such a short amount of time. I believe there was mental issues in Cindy like schizophrenia maybe...
I legit had a cop start to stalk me. thankfully I moved very far away before anything got to crazy. he'd say things and set up the conversation so it would seem like he had the right to later frisk me for drugs or stop by my house to check up on me. Thankfully I have a squeaky clean record. I think its the only thing that saved me from anything in the end. But who would believe me? he was messed up
Why didn't they put her into hiding and change her identity? If she could go a period of time say a year and not contact anyone and nothing happened then they would know. I think it was the ex husband.
In Canada 1 woman every 5 days Is killed by partner or ex. In Canada 4 people every day are killed by a drunk driver. Many more in the USA. There is something very wrong with these pictures. This needs to stop now! BLESSINGS
If she was doing this herself, wouldn't she use drugs to be found in her system? Maybe he was using insulin, that can effect a person and not be tested for, this is a sad case. Maybe the ex should have been locked away for a while to see if it stopped, not just watched, which I'm betting wasn't really done effectively anyway. If they really thought she was such a danger to herself, she should have been hospitalized permanently. Jail would have been a safer place to be even.
Hi Amy sweetheart ... I have heard this story a few times in different peoples videos. Your videos are always more informative and more detailed. Its a hard one to crack is this case because you could think she had done it all herself but on the other hand she may of had a stalker. One theory is that if the attacks happened as soon as there was no one else there, then maybe someone lived in her attic only to come down and show themselves then attack Cindy. Another theory is that she was doing it all to herself but had a disorder that actually affected her memory. What ever the theories were it is a sad ending and of Cindy did need some help they never were there for her as they got fed up of the countless claims from her that she was being attacked and stalked. R.I.P. Cindy what ever was happening to you I feel so sorry that either way you didn't get help. Peace to her spirit
Hey thankyou. Again very interesting. Someone had to be doing these things to her. How could she have tied her own hands behind her back when they found her dead??
@@denisegore1884 I was under the impression that she was hogtied.... Correct me if I'm wrong.... I commented the same thing though and thought how does she overdose on Morphine (by needle I'm guessing) and tie herself up. And never remembering the events leading up to the *"Being found with black pantyhose around her neck"* She never remembers anything. It has to be her mental health. ???? I'm just not sure 100%
@@denisegore1884 1:33 to 1:43 is the details. Hands and feet tied behind her back.... I took that as hogtied, I guess. Cause how else are feet tied behind your back? And then the Morphine.... which it doesn't say is administered by a needle so that is purely speculation.
I remember hearing this story a few yrs ago & I absolutely believe "the husband" really did it. The fire w/the man standing there with an ominous stare. RIP Angel 👑🌾🌾🌷🌷💕💕💙💙 Great video TY & God bless everyone in Jesus name 👑🌾🕊🙏🏼🌟🌟❣❣❣ Torchered by the shrink who ruined her life & the cops left to doubt Cindy, smh!!
Absolutely!! Long Sad/Sick Story, as it happened to me 31 years ago!! Only Once though because I called Police immediately and I knew it was one of Two ( got scared when asked questions by cops)!! RIP>❣🙏✌
In some ways, her story reminds me of a friend's mother who committed suicide. She'd made a few attempts, and she eventually succeeded. I accept that her ex-husband could have done this, but the whole thing seems an overly elaborate way to kill someone or drive her to suicide. I'd want to know more about the alimony and any other motives that he might have for killing her. If there was good evidence that he had something to gain by doing this, I could more easily believe that he was involved. I'm also curious about the rest of his history. I have a hard time believing that someone who would go to those lengths to destroy another human being would do it only once. I'd also want to know whether he had alibis for some of the times that these things happened. I can't imagine that he'd recruit people to help in this effort. Having other people involved would be too risky. I guess a stranger could have done this, but I'd expect someone who would do this once to try again.
I feel very bad for her.I literally don't care if she was the one doing this or someone did this to her.The system failed her and she had to live for years in terror and fear.If she was sick, she didn't know and didn't received the psychiatric help she needed.If she was actually stalked, nobody cared and he got away with it pretty good, living his life as nothing happend, eventually passing away with no remorse.
I do believe that detective captured a video of Cindy putting one of the threatening letters in her own mailbox herself. I'd like to find that again. Not sure if the one I saw was the original or a reenactment. It's been awhile. Strange case for sure. No matter who was responsible, Cindy was victimized and terrorized. The police and mental health community could have done so much more. Not believing her was like victimizing her again. Personally, I think she did have multiple personality disorder. We didn't know much about this disorder back then. So it seemed weird. Now we know that not all personalities in a person's mind is a good personality. Usually though, multiples are created deep in the psyche to protect that person from traumatizing things. It usually starts with a severely traumatic event, like long term abuse that started in very early childhood. Anyway, I think our society and the police should have done more to protect her. Even from herself.
From everything I've heard on the case there were in fact drugs found in her system after the abduction in the park incident. It was actually a drug she was prescribed but the amount in her system couldn't be determined. Not sure why you reported there were no drugs found in her system after this incident?
This sounds like stalking & a kidnapping. I can't understand how police thought she'd made this up. How could she have tied herself up, her hands behind her back. It doesn't make sense
I remember this story. I believe it really happened to her because I had something very similar happened to me although I am still alive because one day well into it the police decided to believe me. The man was put in prison. It's a wonder I didn't die.
Police do not take stalking and threatening seriously AT ALL
That's true, and especially back in the 1980's.
You need evidence. Women could just make it up, like most times and ruin the mans life
@@deanobannon842 Wow! You have issues, maybe you should talk to a therapist. In reality, many women have been murdered because the police didn’t believe them.
@@Khrysalis01 I should seek a therapist because I choose reason? Going on evidence and not from what a woman says.. many men have ended up in prison, careers ruined because of false reports,lies women say. If you don't understand that you should see a therapist
@@Khrysalis01 Yes, but she wasnt one of them. She was one of the ones lying. She once played the message from her answering machine saying it was "the man who was stalking her" and she was "positive it was HIM because it sounded just like him"... It was clearly her on the message. She also had access to morphine, which is what she ODed from, and one her her hands behind her back was partially loose (as if it had been slipped under). Her neighbor and bestfriend claimed she saw her multiple times attempting to set up a event. She claimed she thought her friend was sick with some sort of disorder. I have no doubt in my mind Cindy didnt plan on dying that day, only giving herself a enough to knock herself out like she had done before.. Only realizing it she had made a mistake last minuet and ran outside for help. Her body wasnt hidden, but laying open in some bushes> Its because of people like CIndy the law overlooks these things. Its terrible, but she isnt a victim here. (look up her case, there is plenty of convincing evidence Cindy was sufferings some sort of illness). She may even have been doing it lal to spite her ex husband who cheated (as she described him exactly every time she would give statements, almost like she was pointing them to him. Of all the people who fake crimes for attention, some are bound to fudge it up and hurt themselves
I had a psycho ex bf stalk me for years. I had a lawyer tell me she’s had clients denied protection that wound up dead in a ditch. I’ve had police officers and judges laugh in my face denying me restraining orders. It took one good police officer to embarrass the sh¥t out of my ex at work for it to stop. I feel for this woman.
Yeah I was stalked. He called me 50 times while I was reporting it. I asked them to just pick up the phone and say it was the cops so he would stop. They wouldn't. They laughed at me and told me to stop giving my number to men I don't know. Luckily I was states away so I moved and changed my number.
I had to get a semi crazy BF to get rid of a stalker. Police don't do shhh.
@@MitzyNonaka WOW
A judge laughed in your face? Police officers laughed in your face?
I know those feels
Her husband pulled off one of the most brilliant cases of gaslighting ever. Savage evil genius.
I agree
Hi Amy. I think she is innocent and was being stalked. I HATE when law Enforcement doesn't get it. What a terrible ordeal she went through. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this case.
This sounds exactly like what a twisted psychologist would do. Mentally torture someone for years, making them look crazy to the police and everyone else, mind games. Plus she knew who it was, by saying, she said she was "going to reveal that person."
That's exactly what I was coming down to the comments to say. It was mostly torturous mind games...who better for mind games than a -psychologist- *a **_jilted_** psychologist?* Definitely a good motive? Once the police were sick of her complaints and the good doctor filled them in on a fake diagnosis...easy peezy kill! I believe he did it!
@@LifesPeachy321 I thought they solved this one and that it was found to be her ex.
@@3_up_moon He said at the end of the video it was never solved and that her ex is dead.
@@LifesPeachy321 I am aware. I am speaking of my knowledge of the case before this video was published. I made my comment because the current stage of the case is incongruent with what I remembered.
@@3_up_moon You addressed a question to me...so I answered.
I was somewhat ambivalent on this. What is really telling is that while claiming to believe that she was doing allthese things to herself, there is no indication that anyone moved to revoke her professional license, or stop her working with vulnerable children. Or ANY children. So, I have to conclude that there were real attackers and at least one murderer, but no one wanted to rattle the cage. I feel so badly for her. I have been stalked.
That's a damn shame. I wish they would have taken her seriously.Great job Amy!
Wonderful and enjoying reporting without commercial interrupts!
I got one.
Why, oh why didn’t this woman move across the country?
Or, why didn’t she move in with a relative or a friend?
She tried her best.
Probably to not endanger them, especially after someone starting a fire in her house while her friends were over
Cause she’s a liar.
I feel like she could have moved all around, but as long as she was in touch with the ex husband, the stalker always knew where she was.. in my opinion.
@@MJ-531 But then why stay in touch with him if it could possibly be him that's the stalker?? That makes 0 sense unless it wasn't him and she knew it wasn't him.
How do you commit suicide with your hands tied behind your back. Maybe the police would rather call it anything BUT murder because she filed so many cases and they FAILED to take it seriously. A case of we can't admit we were wrong.
Easy
Exactly right. They really let her down. How frightening for her
You take the morphine first, quickly tie the stocking and hands behind your back and then wait to overdose and die
@@cay8821 The soles of her feet were clean, so she walked a mile and half in her bare feet and her feet were clean? Nah, she was dumped there.
And how did she walk a mile and a half barefoot when the bottom of her feet were clean? Horrific
Death from an unknown event and refusing further investigation just says "we effed up and don't want to admit it. Don't look this way." And covered it up entirely, which is sad. How can they not have investigated further at the time?
Gaslighting Psycho husband. Although some of the things seem like they could be her, it's a very specific kind of mind that would be cruel to an animal - and that was not her. So even if he paid someone to do his dirty work - I think it was her husband.
I wonder why she didn't move on with her parents
I could have swore this had been solved and that it had been found to be her ex.
@@jessicaaudate protecting them
@@jessicaaudate And why didn't she carry a decent weapon? She could have blown the real criminal away like lint.
@@pkgum6910 true
This is a perplexing case
Could it be a case of GasLighting ???? Older intelligent jealous vengeful husband
Come on baby light my fire
@@busterthe2 lol
If that's true, that is EPIC gas lighting 😉🙏
@@deez2569 lol definitely Epic but I don't put anything past some peoples Nature
I think so
What a heartbreaking story of a woman being tortured by a sadistic ex-husband for years before he murdered her. And the police completely failing to do their jobs! It is completely unacceptable for police to decide that somebody is not being stalked, unless they are doing 24-hour surveillance. It definitely wasn't coming from Cindy. There were witnesses. The voice that was recorded sounded female to me but the husband could have had a female partner in torturing Cindy. People who tried to come around and see what was going on, did see questionable people or persons nearby. This kind of story, sadly, prompts one have less faith in whether or not you can rely on law enforcement when you need them to believe you.
A sadistic ex-husband she continued to date after they were divorced. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure I would not keep dating someone who was torturing me.
I think the ex husband fixed it so no one would believe her and he tortured her off on on and killed her the police really really dropped the ball on this one
There are ppl capable of this. I imagine her life was hell.
Now she has peace.
Yessssss I so believe that completely
But you know something when he had to meet his maker he couldn’t lie his way bout of that he finally paid for his actions
No ml no
Yep, I thought the same 😬 especially where he was a psychologist/Dr, he would likely know how to make her seem crazy, and how to get hold of morphine.
Her ex husband had an intimate knowledge of people with mental illness, who better to concoct this sadistic stalking. Of course it was BC police who essentially wrote her off. I am a Canadian and when it comes to the BC police I have no faith them.
Before condemning the Richmond Police Inspectors it might be informative to review their work on this case. Keep in mind that police in general have little recourse to deal with the mentally ill who pose no real threat to others.
And he likely had access to morphine...
I kinda agree. I'm in Nova Scotia and the police aren't much better here.
Definitely feel it was her husband and he had the ways and means to do all of this. She probably felt nuts having everyone thinking she was crazy and he was so loving every minute of it. So sad!!!
Unless she had a split personality. Jeckyl and Hyde type thing.
This is most convoluted and the more of these extraordinary cases one reads the more one feels that simply anything is likely. This case, portrayed in this manner, just cannot give us enough evidence for a judgement either way but isn't this the essence of these most human of cases?
Deeply grateful..
I tend to agree with your suspicion but what do you speculate was the motive for handing over the voicemails for analysis? Also, is it just me or does the voice in the messages sound like the rough whisper of a female voice?
Gaslighter Extraordinaire
I feel it was someone from the police dept. they would also have the means. Way too many incidents with the black stockings to be ignored.
The voice sounded like the golden state killer when he would call his victims and whisper to them. So damn creepy.
Maybe it was Biden? he has a very creepy whisper too, just saying...
That recording woke me up while the video was playing; oh my god that was freaky.
@@gingerj719 🙄
I obviously didn't get killed by the GSK but when I was a teenager I got a ton of middle of the night whisper phone calls. It was creepy as hell because he would always call just after my mom went to work. I was pretty sure he was watching me.
Yes. It did. When I heard his call to those people, I was terrified and I hadn't been attacked by him.
i wonder why she never thought to arm herself...if it were me i'd attempt to flip the script on him...
I'll never understand how her "end" was declared to be "self-inflicted?" Ever since I saw her case on Bedtime Stories, I was pretty sure that this was another one of those cases where the official narrative was bunk.
I have heard this before. I think it was her ex husband. He waged psychological warfare on her so he could be her ‘savior’ by telling her to go to the police, hoping he could swoop in and get her back, and it didn’t work so he tortured her. Poor lady! Thanks for the great videos y’all do! Take care!
Agree that it was probably her ex. But motive could be different. She may have found out something about him which he did not want her to leak out.
Really suspicious guy, right!!!!😮
Creepy and so mysterious! Thanks for another great episode!
This makes me extremely angry. They should have at least tried to prove that she was doing the stalking herself - and maybe would have found who was really doing it! This attitude about stalking needs to change; i'm actually surprised anyone is exposed for stalking and caught. It's all in the victim's mind.
Like many I suspect the ex hubby too. His knowledge of psychological torture cannot be underestimated, means motive and opportunity too. I think the scariest part was the call was coming from inside the house once (wasnt that a film?!) maybe he was in the attic on an extension. Poor woman, must be awful to not be believed. Stalking isnt taken as seriously as it should be by Police and Courts.
In another report on this case, I read the ex husband was out of the country when she was killed.
Did they never test for DNA on any of the black stockings ? they did seem to use a lot of them 🤔
Using DNA for evidence was just becoming a thing in 1989, it wasn't' something wide spread or used regularly. People also mention putting cameras on her property, but they weren't very common either, just big stationary things used to deter people more than anything. 1989 was a long time ago technologically speaking.
She was murdered. Usually, when a person commits suicide the weapon remains nearby. It was most likely her ex husband. These incidents started 4 months after she filed for divorce. The police at the time were definitely neglectful. Truly disgusting.
Exactly what i was thinking. Where was the needle or syringe(?) if she injected it herself. The police shouldve search for that first when they found her dead body.
Toxic waist of a psychiatrist would have had access to drugs and mental health know how to get police to disbelieve everything she was reporting.
That message on the answering machine was super creepy, reminded me of the GSK when he would call his victims years after he had attacked them. Spooky.
That was her leaving a message for herself.
Why do people have to mess with the pets!! 😭
And yeah, the ex is my guess. Not sure who else would be that committed.
So sad and tragic. I remember Law & Order having an episode on like this years ago and always wondered who it could be possibly based on. But to not be believed and then ultimately lose your life and still have police and others think you did it to yourself....
I was just thinking about Law and order. I was thinking they should do an episode about this.
I absolutely think it was her ex-husband. He was smart enough to figure out how to "bug" the house. And not to hard for him to get a police scanner either.
Being a psychiatrist he could have gotten a hold of anti-psychotic medication that wouldn't show up in tests unless they were looked for specifically. And he would have knowledge about those medications too.
Antipsychotic meds have a long half lifr there arent any that dont show up in the system
WOWWWWWWWWW. I have never heard of this, this is so insanely scary, like I can not imagine
Straight out of Alfred Hitchcock movie and the police have a lot to answer for and the husband knew what he was doing being a psychiatrist very sad Thanks for a another interesting recap Amy
This sounds like the plot of an awesome psychological thriller. A woman with paranoid schizophrenia is seemingly having delusions, then it turns out that they're actually manifesting in real life and nobody believes her. Too bad there was an actual victim here. Regardless of what really happened, my sincere condolences to her family and loved ones.
You’re insensitive . What really happened is she was stalked and killed by a maniac .
I'm wondering if someone, my bet the ex husband, used Scopolamine on her. Scopolamine, also known as Devil's Breath is what Haitian Voodoo uses to make "zombies." It's medicinal use is for motion sickness and it makes a person very pliant and susceptible to suggestions and with absolutely no memory of the entire time. I took some once after a serious ear surgery and still can't remember the three days after I got home from the hospital. My family said I slept most of the time but did have bouts of "sleepwalking" and talking crazy. After that three days, I was absolutely fine but couldn't remember anything after leaving the hospital. At least I wasn't conscious of the pain and motion sickness but I still feel strange about those unknown three days. And that was just a small, medicinal dose. Yeah, told my doctor that I refuse to take any more of that crazy stuff no matter how desperate I was with severe vertigo.
Are you fuckin' serious?! So, you would rather believe Cindy James was a victim of voodoo rather than Cindy doing all of those things to herself. I mean, when she got that message stabbed in her, it was stabbed in her hand. Meaning, if someone was going to stab a paper message into me I'm going to be fighting them, people fight with their hands, making the hands a moving target, the torso, or back are better targets to stab a message into. But she couldn't stab the message into her own back, she didn't want to do it in the torso damaging organs, so she slammed her hand into the knife. I mean, just because she said a man did it doesn't mean a man did it. What if I told you my ex husband lit my house on fire. Would you believe me? I mean, why would I lie? I would lie to gain attention, and for sympathy. But now that I think about it voodoo, is a better solution.
I’m leaning towards multiple personalities. I’ve seen a case that someone with multiple personality died at her own hands but her main personality didn’t want to die. Her other personality was homicidal towards self, which makes me wonder if it’s not just c-ptsd, in advanced stages. The signs and discrepancies of multiple personalities were similar. PTSD is a psychological injury that the medical and psychiatric professionals do not fix. People with ptsd are left on their own, and can be confused with so many other apparent disorders. PTSD has been mistaken for Borderline Personality Disorder, Depression or Bipolar.
I was just thinking about her a couple of weeks ago. I lived in Vancouver and remember reading about her story. Absolutely heartbreaking for her, I wonder why she wouldn't name him before?
That was my first thought. She’d been hypnotized.
This is one of my top unsolved cases of all time! And I know we’ll never know for sure wtf was going on… so frustrating😫 Thanx Amy xx
The message sounds like it's a woman. So sad. Poor Cindy.
Just because it's a woman doesn't mean it's Cindy though..
@@Day1onDay1 You're right, but to be fair, I don't think the op's comment was making that allegation.
Thank you Amy. The voice sounds like a woman. I think it was her ex-husband, I had an ex-husband that would do these to makes me think I was going crazy, thankfully I realized what he was doing and got away from him.
The voice did sound like a woman.
Looks like I'm in a small minority, but I think the balance of probabilities is that she was doing these things to herself.
The fact that she was attacked numerous times, but never had a good description of her attackers, the attacks were serious, but consistently short of what would be required to kill her, and sometimes in her own home which greatly reduced the number of potential attackers. Over all this is just too weird, and if anyone was guilty of harassing anyone, I think it is more likely that Cindy was staging the attacks against herself to try to set up her ex-husband.
I agree; another nurse with munchausen. I don't know of anyone would EVER be alone after just a couple of her claimed incidences. And she never did anything to prove her claims or protect herself; no hidden tape recorders, video cameras, guns, alarm systems, etc.
I agree.
Only in this video you are the minority!! It was her all along, which is sad for her
Agreed. She did it.
Yah, Its a pretty out there suggestion to say she did it to herself. And some of the timelines don't really match that suggestion. For example, how she moved and there were no incidents until a few months after. Almost like it would have taken someone a couple months to figure out where she lived. And then of course her death which would be as close to impossible as it gets for someone to do to themselves.
Finally someone else covers this case. It's just too much to write off.
It’s very difficult to inject yourself with a lethal dose of morphine and then be able to tie yourself up in the way she was found. I have serious doubts that she was able to do that herself. I question whether she could even tie herself in that position in a perfectly sober state let alone loaded with enough morphine to kill her. It’s very suspicious.
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Ok…that phone message towards the end freaked me out!
How frightening for her! I can't imagine the terror, especially when police just wouldn't help.
Death by an unknown event? Way to go detectives. Way to go.
Geez.. such an infuriating case. I’ve never heard of it. Sounds to me like Cindy was a prime example of why stalking laws were implemented. I don’t think for a second she was doing this to herself. Possibly a doctor who knew what types of drugs could be injected but not able to detect upon testing, there are such things. Also, more than likely someone she knew who could have copied her key. Someone was gaslighting and terrorizing her. I say.. shame on the police with this case. They should have taken it more seriously and tried to obtain some kind of evidence. Too bad security cameras weren’t installed, it was the 80’s so we didn’t have anything like we do now. When my daughter was very young, someone pounded on my door late a night, scared the heck out of me, I called the police because it was literal pounding with fists, and nobody was there, the cops made me feel stupid for calling. As more things continued, it turned out to be a troublesome young boy in our complex who was in the same school as my daughter, he got caught egging our windows and was under 10 years old. Anyway, poor woman. Hope she’s at peace on the other side.
This says ex husband to me. And the fact that she had Morphine in her system, plus the physicality torment that she was getting was enough to put anyone over the edge
I agree...it was the ex-husband
@@tosomt5419 He had alibis.
i remember unsolved mysteries having the story about cindy james in one of their episodes , definitely scary - i think it was not only one but several people doing all that to her - if you ever decide to do it , would you do a story about the circleville letter writer from ohio - that's another scary one too - have a good day/night
I'll def have to look into circlville letter I'm from PA just 30min drive from OH. Thanks for the info.
Never heard of that case ?
@@juniorjohnson5961 not the circleville letter case
@@marshnate1 Clear some time for yourself because it is a deep rabbit hole!
The voice on the phone were female. So...,unfortunately I think it was herself going out of her mind.
WOW. How could a sane person live through all that!!!
So bizarre and heartbreaking! I honestly don’t know if it was her or someone else…no gut feeling to go off of this time for me. And I hate not believing people. 💔
According her family „Someone highly «intelligent» ….. and sadistic took her life …..“
Her ex husband was a psychiatrist? 🤨 Also could be very Interesting to know the reason of their divorce?
It's easy to feel sorry for Cindy James. And of course, the fact that her ex-husband was a psychiatrist makes him a convenient suspect. In fact, if this comments section is to be believed, he has already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. All we have are theories because none of us were there. The fact that nothing ever happened to her when someone was with her, at least some of the calls she received had come from inside her home, there was never any sign of forced entry make me believe it's possible she did it to herself. I had a stalker back in the 90's and I can tell you that I wasn't out walking my dog after dark during that time. For a woman who was afraid for her life, some of her behavior makes no sense. I hope the truth, whatever it is, is discovered one day.
That's not the police's job to decide if it's mental or if there is somebody stalking her. But that's Canadian law enforcement for you in 1989 forward.
They had a potential crime on their hands. It's not their job to investigate crime?
I am so confused by this case!!! I’ve read a lot about it. Münchausen syndrome is real - and has led to other tragedies. BUT - at the same time - there are too many other weird things connected to her case. In defense of the authorities- it’s impossible to investigate something that has NO clues - or when the victim is hiding information. What a sad situation!!
Not surprising the RCMP did nothing, I was stalked for over 3 years and the RCMP told me "I'm not good a good enough job at hiding myself. Can't you change jobs or something?"
No Constable, I cannot just change my Career.
It was absolutely defeating..
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Love watching your content ❤️
Amy, you're absolutely glowing!
Three episodes and no "Hello Fresh".. I'm a happy camper!
I don't mind the sponsors as true crime UA-camrs usually don't get monetized so seeing outside sources helping is great and worth it imo 🤷🏻♀️
The recording sounded like a woman's voice, I don't believe she killed herself but I do believe someone drove her crazy
That's what I'm thinking Terry...It's a form of torture.
Prayers🙏
I thought it sounded like a woman, too. But that doesn’t mean the ex had nothing to do with it. Or that some crazy chick wasn’t after her. There are lots of crazy women out there!
I agree. The voice sounded like a female to me as well.
I said the same...sound like a woman
All of the incidents involving the "black nylon stocking", before her death, could possibly have been self-inflicted but if one did manage to tie their hands and feet behind their own back then, HOW do they asphyxiate themselves afterwards? For what it's worth, I believe the ex-husband was behind it, after all, he was a psychiatrist, which means you assume he was of high intellect and conversant in psychological methods that could possibly enable him to induce extreme paranoia in someone. Having a high intellect does not mean, however, that he didn't suffer from some sort of psychopathy. Cheers.
I read that the husband was in South Africa at the time of her death, so not possible to kill her, unless he hired someone else.
Strange case in many ways.
@@margaretr5701Okay, I did not know that. Still, as you said, it's a very strange case indeed. Cheers.
@@AussieBrit I lived in Vancouver during the 80's, I'm glad I knew less about this case then, than I do now! I can't help but wonder why the private detective didn't find anything. It's still baffling, all these years later. The ex husband could have been involved, except the police couldn't find evidence against him, as well as he was out of the country when she died. His brother supposedly had some murky accusations against him regarding abusing women, so perhaps he was an accomplice. It's all hypothetical, including Cindy's various diagnosis' - mpd, known now as did, could have been easily placed on her by the psychiatrist husband. ... it's a mystery! Poorwoman, whatever happened, is still a tragedy.
@@margaretr5701 I agree about the MPD. This condition is extremely rare yet it's bandied around in Hollywood films etc. like it's par for the course. Agree with all your points. Cheers.
@@margaretr5701 He probably hired someone.
The voice recording sounded like a woman's voice. At least one of the earlier threatening phone calls was traced to inside the victims home. No evidence/disturbance of windows/doors to show break-in. Did anyone check to see if the door/window locks had been changed? Harassment only continued when victim was alone. I suspect the victim may have been suffering from mental illness. Alternatively, a particularly cruel case of gaslighting by the ex? The evidence appears to point at her mental illness/delusion.
How did she load up herself on morphine?
@@kate9576injecting herself with it???? The same way people shoot up heroin lol
The idea of the police not taking a victim's pleas for help seriously gets everyone's blood boiling, but I have to say that I see where the police were coming from and I might even agree with them. So much of this makes no sense at all. She kept being physically assaulted but either never got a good look at her attacker or couldn't remember the attack at all? She would claim to have been drugged, but nothing was ever found in her system until the "attack" that ultimately killed her? If she was telling the truth, then her attacker(s) was/were extremely sophisticated and thorough. That could lend credence to the ex-husband's mob theory, but what would they have to gain by tormenting her for years before killing her? I just can't help but come to the same conclusion as the cops that she was suffering from severe, undiagnosed mental issues. Either that or her ex was a twisted, evil genius.
Just hideous that this poor woman was treated like this when she needed help and protection. 💔Horrific story of yet another victim blamed for their own murder. Thank you for the story and please share more of how the system fails victims of family violence and stalking.
Poor Cindy😢what an awful experience and nobody to help!😮
Rest in Peace❤
Hi Amy! Good morning everyone! Great upload! Thanks Lot's of love 🧡 from Australia!🧡💐🦘
That phone recording was definitely a woman either pretending to be a man or believing she was a man (in a psychotic break maybe). Not saying it was for sure Cindy as I've never heard her natural voice but in my mind it was definitely a woman at least.
I thought the voice on the phone sounded like a female trying to make their voice sound lower. I would have to say I think she may have been responsible for all of this. Its very sad if this is true and very frightening if someone did this to her.
I seen a true-crime show on TV many many many months ago .
I can't remember exactly how long but it's been quite a while this story here and it's just as you stated on the True Crime show it also and paint it Cindy as her own aggressor as her own killer .
I think it is just truly heartbreaking that this beautiful woman went to her grave and nobody cares enough to find out exactly what happened to her what if it was one of our sisters our mother our aunts or even our daughter - - ????
Death from an unknown event 🤔 ?! The way the cops handled her murder shows how much they cared🙄!
It was her. Period. She wasn't a victim. She was ill.
I’m sorry but this was a very very sad story. 🥺🥺
I can’t imagine knowing someone wants you gone but just keeps terrorizing you until the last chance that they have to actually kill you.
That had to be her worse fear too!
I pray they find out the truth some how some way!
Love watching you and your husband. You guys are great.🥰🥰🥰🥰
10 weeks in a psych unit is pretty significant. I worked as a nurse in an inpatient psych unit and anyone there for that long had major mental issues. What was her diagnosis? That’s pretty pertinent. That so many people stayed/watched out for her but nothing happened at those times is telling. Did they hunt for black stockings in her house? Did they try to pull prints from the notes that were left? The recorded phone message sounded like a woman to me. A lot of unanswered questions to decide but my feeling was she was disturbed enough to do this for attention. She could have injected herself after tying her feet & the stocking (which wasn’t the cause of death) and you can tie a knot that you can self tighten. Perhaps her tying her hands was a way to keep up the ruse while contributing to the appearance of foul play while the morphine overdose was working its way to the inevitable respiratory suppression & death. People can do really messed up things for weird reasons. Read some books by FBI profilers. Some of the things people do for attention are unfathomable. Even if it kills her, in her mind everyone will look at her dead body & think, “she was right!”
I might tick some ppl off but It sounds like a womans voice leaving the messages. She could have planned her death with the drugs on his birthday to make it look like he did it.. If she figured out a way to tie herself up like that then it could explain why she was always tied up the same way.. 10 weeks is a long time to be hospitalized in a psych ward
I agree. It's a lot more sensational to believe it was some genius person or group of people who did this but the reality is there are several cases like this where a paranoid schizophrenic person believes they are being targeted and either knowingly or unknowingly kill themselves while keeping up the story. It's very sad.
Or, as I've long suspected, she had an accomplice who helped her and even gave her the fatal morphine shot. As a nurse, she would be able to direct them in administering the morphine. I believe Cindy had serious mental health problems. She apparently liked being the object of sympathy and enjoyed attention and when the police didn't give it to her, she had no choice but to escalate the phonecalls and cut and paste letters to physical assaults. A very, very sad story.
10 weeks isn't a long time to be in a psych ward if your psychiatrist ex husband tells his other psychiatrist friends that you have multiple personality disorder and you need to be in the hospital that long.
Thank you very much Amy. Chilling. I loved it.
They didn't do investigation as well as we could today, like seeing if she or someone else bought the stockings, no DNA evidence, tracing phone calls, voice analysis, et cetera. Maybe they could do some of that in the 80's, but I'm not sure they would, if they didn't believe her.That poor woman. I just don't know what to think. In either case, self inflicted or stalked, she suffered. It's very sad.Thank you, Amy, for telling her story so sensitively.
The voice on that tape was of a woman. This case is insane. This is the only adjective to describe the events leading up to Cindy James's death. Personally I don't know how a person could hogtie themselves and her death called a "suicide?" But another thing that is so weird is how much Cindy's facial expressions deteriorated so much in such a short amount of time. I believe there was mental issues in Cindy like schizophrenia maybe...
I legit had a cop start to stalk me. thankfully I moved very far away before anything got to crazy. he'd say things and set up the conversation so it would seem like he had the right to later frisk me for drugs or stop by my house to check up on me. Thankfully I have a squeaky clean record. I think its the only thing that saved me from anything in the end. But who would believe me? he was messed up
Why didn't they put her into hiding and change her identity? If she could go a period of time say a year and not contact anyone and nothing happened then they would know. I think it was the ex husband.
In Canada 1 woman every 5 days
Is killed by partner or ex.
In Canada 4 people every day are killed by a drunk driver.
Many more in the USA.
There is something very wrong with these pictures.
This needs to stop now!
BLESSINGS
If she was doing this herself, wouldn't she use drugs to be found in her system? Maybe he was using insulin, that can effect a person and not be tested for, this is a sad case. Maybe the ex should have been locked away for a while to see if it stopped, not just watched, which I'm betting wasn't really done effectively anyway. If they really thought she was such a danger to herself, she should have been hospitalized permanently. Jail would have been a safer place to be even.
@Valencia Williams if they even bothered enough to check, remember they thought she was looney.
I'm 53 and I remember this case all too well. Ironically, I also live in Richmond.
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Hi Amy sweetheart ... I have heard this story a few times in different peoples videos. Your videos are always more informative and more detailed. Its a hard one to crack is this case because you could think she had done it all herself but on the other hand she may of had a stalker. One theory is that if the attacks happened as soon as there was no one else there, then maybe someone lived in her attic only to come down and show themselves then attack Cindy. Another theory is that she was doing it all to herself but had a disorder that actually affected her memory. What ever the theories were it is a sad ending and of Cindy did need some help they never were there for her as they got fed up of the countless claims from her that she was being attacked and stalked. R.I.P. Cindy what ever was happening to you I feel so sorry that either way you didn't get help. Peace to her spirit
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Hey thankyou. Again very interesting. Someone had to be doing these things to her. How could she have tied her own hands behind her back when they found her dead??
I've read about this case before and I think a theory was she could have tied them in front then contorted to get her arms behind her.
@@denisegore1884 I was under the impression that she was hogtied.... Correct me if I'm wrong.... I commented the same thing though and thought how does she overdose on Morphine (by needle I'm guessing) and tie herself up.
And never remembering the events leading up to the *"Being found with black pantyhose around her neck"* She never remembers anything. It has to be her mental health. ???? I'm just not sure 100%
@@denisegore1884 1:33 to 1:43 is the details.
Hands and feet tied behind her back.... I took that as hogtied, I guess. Cause how else are feet tied behind your back?
And then the Morphine.... which it doesn't say is administered by a needle so that is purely speculation.
I could do it, and I'm not a tiny, slender woman. You just tie them in front, then step through with both feet.
If you had a crazed stalker, you wouldn't walk your dog alone at night.
i agree
I remember hearing this story a few yrs ago & I absolutely believe "the husband" really did it. The fire w/the man standing there with an ominous stare. RIP Angel 👑🌾🌾🌷🌷💕💕💙💙 Great video TY & God bless everyone in Jesus name 👑🌾🕊🙏🏼🌟🌟❣❣❣ Torchered by the shrink who ruined her life & the cops left to doubt Cindy, smh!!
Munchhausen syndrome, she took it to the next level and accidentally killed herself.
The only people who use cut out magazine letters are people known to the victim.
Absolutely!! Long Sad/Sick Story, as it happened to me 31 years ago!! Only Once though because I called Police immediately and I knew it was one of Two ( got scared when asked questions by cops)!!
RIP>❣🙏✌
She may have been crazy about the stalking but that doesn't mean she wasn't killed by someone.
In some ways, her story reminds me of a friend's mother who committed suicide. She'd made a few attempts, and she eventually succeeded.
I accept that her ex-husband could have done this, but the whole thing seems an overly elaborate way to kill someone or drive her to suicide. I'd want to know more about the alimony and any other motives that he might have for killing her. If there was good evidence that he had something to gain by doing this, I could more easily believe that he was involved. I'm also curious about the rest of his history. I have a hard time believing that someone who would go to those lengths to destroy another human being would do it only once. I'd also want to know whether he had alibis for some of the times that these things happened. I can't imagine that he'd recruit people to help in this effort. Having other people involved would be too risky.
I guess a stranger could have done this, but I'd expect someone who would do this once to try again.
I feel very bad for her.I literally don't care if she was the one doing this or someone did this to her.The system failed her and she had to live for years in terror and fear.If she was sick, she didn't know and didn't received the psychiatric help she needed.If she was actually stalked, nobody cared and he got away with it pretty good, living his life as nothing happend, eventually passing away with no remorse.
This reminds me of an old movie called, "Midnight Lace".
Sadistic psychiatrist ex-husband... with keys to her house... torturing and terrorizing her.
That poor woman.
I do believe that detective captured a video of Cindy putting one of the threatening letters in her own mailbox herself. I'd like to find that again. Not sure if the one I saw was the original or a reenactment. It's been awhile. Strange case for sure. No matter who was responsible, Cindy was victimized and terrorized. The police and mental health community could have done so much more. Not believing her was like victimizing her again.
Personally, I think she did have multiple personality disorder. We didn't know much about this disorder back then. So it seemed weird. Now we know that not all personalities in a person's mind is a good personality. Usually though, multiples are created deep in the psyche to protect that person from traumatizing things. It usually starts with a severely traumatic event, like long term abuse that started in very early childhood.
Anyway, I think our society and the police should have done more to protect her. Even from herself.
From everything I've heard on the case there were in fact drugs found in her system after the abduction in the park incident. It was actually a drug she was prescribed but the amount in her system couldn't be determined. Not sure why you reported there were no drugs found in her system after this incident?
This sounds like stalking & a kidnapping. I can't understand how police thought she'd made this up. How could she have tied herself up, her hands behind her back. It doesn't make sense
I remember this story. I believe it really happened to her because I had something very similar happened to me although I am still alive because one day well into it the police decided to believe me. The man was put in prison. It's a wonder I didn't die.