Better translation for Lu's comment at :56 - "Well, we didn't call it strength back then... we would just say this kid has a lot of energy, how does he have so much energy."
@@artvandelay8867 Don't think of the word for word translation, but of the context and idioms. The translation that was chosen obviously doesn't make sense in English. Vigor seems like an appropriate choice, but energy conveys the same meaning in that context and is the word that one would most commonly use in English, thus it appears to be the better translation.
Anthropometry, muscle fibre composition, Growth receptors, muscle insertion points, mobility and neuromuscular connection. They are all genetically variable within an individual but training, consistency, devotion, avoiding injury and progressively overloading starting from a young age where your body can grow and adapt to a physiologically significant extent balance out initial genetic factors. In all you need both as you are achieving a body that is structurally designed to perform a singular task thus the undeniable fact is you need to start from a young age and training for 15+ years is the only way you will be able to achieve the same lifts as these guys.
In Chinese kungfu there's a saying "打通任督二脉" 🤣🤣 --- which roughly means surpass the body's governing meridians through hard training or even injuty. I believe that's Tian Tao's secret method.
Sounds nice and is great for some, however top athletes are most of the time, always pushing their body as far as it can go. Further pushing it leads to injury or muscle not building as fast. Now if someone with elite genetics pushes themselves to the limit, the same way as someone with non elite genetics, I think it's easy to predict which one will be more succesfull
@@filipraos8072 I mean taking steroids definitely won't make you a world champion, but world champions definitely couldn't get to where they are without it
Genetics is the size of your water tank as this is pre-determined, but how much water you choose to fill it with is your hard work and training. Be water my friend.
Genetic is the size of the water tank, plus the quality of the water plus the material of the tank plus so much more , training is only the outside filter
@@user-cn4ci5wx1s 280kg isnt untouchable my friend. Kids are hitting that easy at the same age as him. I was hitting 230kg when I weight 110kg. I have average genetics. Genetics only matters for the top 1%
I mean, look at john haack. Dude has average leverages and his squat is so inefficient. yet he is totaling almost 1000kg at 95kg. It really is combination of both, but pure genetic strength is the key.
anthropometry accounts for the relative difference between your own compound lifts, but it doesn't explain your overall strength though. Find another man with the same femur to torso ratio as tian tao, and I doubt they would ever squat 280 kg in their life
@@nolol700 Going by your logic everyone and anyone could potentially become a champion weightlifter/strongman/powerlifter. Anyone could become the next Usain Bolt through the right type of environmental adaption. What you are talking about is basically just evolution. Though you as an individual aren’t going to be sticking around long enough to out evolution your genetics.
@@jermaineayivoh8263 Im not talking about evolution, Im talking about genitc conditioning. Lots of "Champions" had ti train for their entire life and eventually got to their actual level. Genetics defines your best only by hight and aestethic which is indeed limiting, but it it limits the point where you start, not where you finish.
Yes you can become strong, but to be elite level you need the genetics. Take a look at other athletics and see what sort of body types / people typically compete, long distance vs sprints etc. especially taking into accounts environmental factors.
@password 12 why are there certain body types for sprints vs long distance, why are most of the long distance champions from one area.... Why are the best deadlifters have specific traits, long arms, short legs.
@password 12 I've got pretty good brain genetics but reading your comments just obliterated my braincells so I guess you're right, genetics don't matter after all.
@password 12 and? You could take all the steroids and PEDs in the world and you would never look like Arnold or Ronnie Coleman for example. You would never be able to beat Amy Olympic weightlifting records. You would never be able to beat the 100m record. Everybody at the top is on PEDs because they need to be, because everyone else is.
To answer the question not just anyone can be a world class olympic weightlifter due to genetics and personality just like not anyone can just play basketball there whole life and expect to go pro
@Tin tin man it sucks but the world is unfair at its core because one person with amazing genetics can train for 2 years gain 60lbs of muscle and become a world class lifter while another person with poor genetics can train for 10 years and never put on more than 30lbs of muscle and never gain the strength to become a world class lifter
YES! Hard truth but a good looking body and strength is all about genetics! Consistency and training is necessary of course but no matter how hard you train, you will never achieve what a gifted person with the same mentality can get from his/her body 🤷🏻♂️ . Just a reminder, you don't need to be a gold medalist or an Instagram model, overcome YOUR limits and be the better version of YOURSELF.
With average (or even poor) genetics and hard training, you can be in top 1% of the population strength-wise.. but if you want to be in Top 0.005% (competitive, Olympic), you probably won't be able to do that with poor/average genetics, because there are too many people with good genetics who are also committed to hard training. [I obviously took those percentages from the ceiling, those are only rough guesses just to give the idea of what I think]
let's not forget that when they were 17 years old, they already had 7-9 years of training in their pockets. Chinese trainees start as young as 8 years old. If you're some dude who's been training squats for 2-3 years and you compare yourself to these 16-18 year olds and say that all their strength come from drugs you're stupid
@@giorgig4828 tbh people from the caucus are more west and central Asian than anything but then again I never understood why people used the word Caucasian to describe Europeans
@@Bamiyanbigasf Lol I don’t even know why Europe country exists. Is there like a river or mountain range between Asia and Europe? Is Georgian Asian or European lol.
I'm only talking about my personal experience, so I've seen very few young guys training for WL from their early age, but I can guarantee you none of them have hit 280kg before turning 18 and even the strongest young guy in my gym, who is 15 at the moment, is still not capable to get to the 200kg treshold. I'm telling this just to help you guys understand how elite these two guys are and how it's not about having 10 years of training history by the time you turn 18, cause you already have to be very gifted to get over 200, so try and imagine what it takes to get to those numbers being that young (I don't even wanna talk about steroids. Let's just pretend they cannot have used PED before turning 18)
yes. You can reach good results even if you aren't genetically gifted for strength with dedication, but those who are will surpass your peak in no time. Also if you watch all these crazy squatters who do 280 @17y their body proportions are made for squat, super short legs and fully upright position. i've been in our powerlifting gym for 25 years and i've seen how bigger late secondary school guys struggle with 120kg deadlift and next guy pulls 200 at age of 15 weighting 70kg and never done lifting before. That is good genetics for strength
Also there is the perfect technique aspect, the olympic coaches start working with these kids from very very early ( like 10-11 old ). In the rural areas where the most elite are found they don't even have proper equipment, the kids start learning the movements with a wooden staff when they start proper training in the big cities the foundation are already rock solid.
Im here to learn form, progress etc, but notice individuals critizing on them doping, personally I'm not sure if they are or not, but when some people said 'its really really hard near impossible to do 280kg at 17', I was thinking, these two were selected out of a country of 1.4 billion in population and trained all their life, if there is a drug free freak of nature at 17, they are the ones....... (techincally world population since they won gold....also if they were doping so are all of competitors, still pretty fair) Conclusion 'Learn without hate'
@@gjune36 And there are ways to circumvent those tests. Practically every record-holding/top-tier athlete in any sport where explosiveness, strength or endurance is beneficial are on steroids.
The question of strength consists of several points Depends on height: the taller someone is, the stronger It even depends on the thickness of the congenital bone: the thicker the bone, the stronger the person is. It also depends on how muscular someone is, if someone is born into a stocky muscular physique, then it is also basically strong
Arnold has a similar theory about plateauing, he says sometimes your muscles are just ready for whatever you throw at them and that’s where you have to change up your exercise or superset or completely shock them, pretty funny because sometimes the way he talks about his muscles it’s like they are their own seperate entity and deserves their own attention and respect 😂
Strength just like bodybuilding is mostly genetics. Not that someone with bad genetics can't be strong but if you take John Hack for example have an average person who's the same height and weight train just like him eat just like him etc. I guarantee that person still wouldn't put up the same numbers that Hack can do. It's even more genetics based in bodybuilding. It's all about how good your muscle insertions are, your bone structure, how separated you're muscles are when you diet down and deplete water etc. Those are genetic factors that can't be altered.
I don't think people understand how much an advantage have kids later adults, who worked physical labor or trained something at a very young age, it's almost like tailoring your own genetics.
When people say to squat twice a week, do front squat and back squat count the same? Or would they mean back squat twice a week, and front squat twice a week?
Don't overcomplicate what he said. Squat twice a week can refer to either squat type,just obviously don't train both on both days. Just stick to one type for a period and then swap back
My dads always been freakish atrong for a guy thats 5’6 seen him pick things up that didn’t make sense like a whole end of a piano. A lathe bed one whole end. Stuff i couldn’t budge.
In terms of fighting theres weight classes that r genetically balanced but overall anyone can learn how to fight but strongman competitions and bodybuilding u need genetics in general
Not at all. Genetics aren't fix. You know that your genes are constantly evolving. You aren't in a fix state once you are born. You actually grow, modify yourself based on your upbringing and many social factors. If you end up a skinny 14-15-16 years old and actually commit to go to the gym on a solid basis, you will grow no matter your ''genes''. It's one thing to have an excuse, it's another to work to change who you are so you become a better version of yourself.
@@remyboivin5837 I would disagree. Genes dictate your maximum potential. A kid born from parents with higher bone density and mass would most likely exhibit the same attributes as his parents. The same if you were born from parents with light bone density and mass. Won't say it a fix but a limitation. An example of this are people who are naturally born stronger than even people who have trained a bit, even though you are in the same weight class. Muscle density, bone structure, and mass play a huge role and your genetics contribute a huge chunk in that. To use a simpler analogy, your genetic background is the size of your glass and how much you can fill it depends on your training.
i wonder what the Chinese did for knee/ankle mobility??? that has been, for a long time, my weakest point in my squat or any barbell lift for that matter. never with hip mobility.
Most of us are born with it... Don't quote me on this, but in the rural parts of China, instead of sitting down, they usually squat when resting, also there is the "squat toilet" in China, which is still quite common these day outside first-tier city
Knees require no mobility training- they always bend all the way. It's ankle mobility and hip, etc you gotta worry about. Knees automatically go in the right place if your ankle flexion is good and groin can open up
I think in terms of squat numbers... American kids would just have lower numbers cuz we can't squat for shit with garbage mobility. I'm Chinese American. I couldn't full squat as a teen lol... cuz i never had to squat in school and i just sat in chairs all day. My brother (1 year younger than me) always sat in full squats growing up cuz he helped my parents at the store (lots of carrying stuff and squatting down to sort stuff) So when we started lifting in high school... it took me like.... an entire year just to get my mobility and flexibility to a point i can ATG squat. took me forever to work up to a 4 plate squat (like 2 years). My brother got to a 4 plate squat in 6 months. Really depends on your starting mobility flexibility and strength. I think it's totally possible for most people to hit a 200 kg+ squat pretty easily with the right training to address weaknesses...
Well about 50% of muscle development depends on genetics... but on the bright side just by having some signs that you are working out means that you already in much better shape then average person in real life
No. Not at all. There is no data to back such a statement. Muscle development depends on way more than just genetics. Since someone not training won't develop them. You don't end up with genetics that makes you look like Son Goku just because you wish to. Hard work and dedication will overcome genetics as an excuse.
@@remyboivin5837 great genetics for muscle building works in same exact way as having talent for playing a piano or on anything else: disclaimer: being a legit talented at anything is super rare... And it works in following way: imagine talented warrior in rpg:he kills a bear and gains 500xp for it and his maximum pssible level is 80 now imagine a warrior with no talent at all:he kills same level bear except he gets just 100xp for it and his maximum possible level is 50 That`s how great genetics(or having a talent at something) works vs bad genetics(no talent at all) untalented person can win vs talented one only if talented don`t put any real effort at developing his thing but then again most of us are somwhere in between and only tiny % has something that you could call great genetics. So a wast majority of cases like 90%+of the time it is a matter of hard/smart work after all and not genetics.
@@lightartis228 Do you realize the amount of lies you're saying ? You make no sense. You're out of touch with the meaning of so many words you're using boy. Like, educate yourself. No data back your statement. None. Muscle do not care about genetics. Muscle care about what you do to them. You're missing such an obvious point that I'm questioning how you perceive life. Are you always spitting out lies unknowingly ?
@@remyboivin5837 is your attention span to short to read my entire comment before roasting it? 🤣 I literally said that almost always it's a matter of hard/ smart work when it comes to muscle building, cuzz for wast majority of people genetics does not give any serious advantages or disadvantages, however you have tiny % of people that got fked in terms of muscle building and for them putting any muscle is really hard and you have a tiny % of people who compared to others just looks at weight and they muscles just grows...that group has potential to become pro athletes if they work hard enough...and all high level athletes in addition to hard work must have great genetics to...it's common sense, bro nowhere I said anything controversial or mind blowing lol (having great memory vs crappy one works same way: With great memory you can read a book few times and you will memorise it ,with bad one you will need to read it 10+ times to really remember everything well in it) now say that all that does not make sense ,does not gets confirmed by science or your own real life personal experience.
@@lightartis228 Nothing of what you said makes any more sense. Like, you are spitting out random remarks. Everything you mentioned could be summarized under one word. Variance. Why do you feel the need to overcomplexify a simply concept such as variance ? You make no sense mate. You just make no sense. Keep digging your own grave though. You are simply an idiot at this point. Data and science are backing me up yet again. What's next ? You can't link any data, any evidence to support any of your lies so far.
Ηello from Greece you dont need to be phenomenon...try to fix your self diet rest exercise dont be sad if elite athletes are better than us also dont forget in the game is not only genetics of course genetics training eat and sleep is must but when try be a pro must take and steroids
If you haven't learned everything you possibly could and put in the work based of learning new things. You CAN NOT blame your genetics. So many people believe in themselves so little the wont get any worthwhile success in life. You dont have to be the best but strive to be the best and see where you end up before you blame genetics. Its pathetic.
Yes it is it’s the same way some people are just naturally really fast without training for sprinting it comes down to ur fast twitch fibres and natural muscle activation I know a guy who went to the gym 3 time and he could already bench 235 straight up after he got decent form on his second bench session
Got it... ✍️ Do ✍️ 800m ✍️ frog ✍️ jumps ✍️ twice ✍️ a ✍️ week
Don't. Tiantao wouldn't take responsibility.
Also noted: be careful of muscle ruptures
Tian Tao is not responsible for any injuries caused
PepoG
Plz, don’t.
“No, huge lies. I didn’t squat 300kg at 17. I only squatted 280” 😂😂😂
what a humble god
"ONLY", said Tao.
@@CheSemah "ONLY", he said calmly, as he squatted 280kg.
@@chadshowdown9382 two times!
God, I burst out laughing at this.
I love how brash Tian Tao is😂 “I didn’t squat 300kg. That’s bullshit”😂
And then he said, it was 280 kg only.....😂
And in the video he squatted 280kg… TWICE
Better translation for Lu's comment at :56 - "Well, we didn't call it strength back then... we would just say this kid has a lot of energy, how does he have so much energy."
I thought about the word energetic when I did it, but it feels different to 有劲儿…
But thanks for the input
@@artvandelay8867 that’s what I felt…
@@artvandelay8867 Don't think of the word for word translation, but of the context and idioms. The translation that was chosen obviously doesn't make sense in English. Vigor seems like an appropriate choice, but energy conveys the same meaning in that context and is the word that one would most commonly use in English, thus it appears to be the better translation.
not really. I d say 有精神 is more like has a lot of energy. 有劲 just means strong and has a lot of POWER
This kid is powerful, explosive
It does seem like Tao is more urban and intellectual when it comes to training talk while Lu is pure talent and instinct 👍🏼🏋♂️
Deep down, Tian Tao is a meme lord
@@SquatJerkJournalist hahha yes that too 🤣
Lu is pure instinct🤣🤣 he seems have no idea what he’s taking about…
@@SquatJerkJournalist Jesus Christ Is Lord And Savior. God bless you
I aquat ONLY 280kg at 17 yo. (Tian, 2022)
Anthropometry, muscle fibre composition, Growth receptors, muscle insertion points, mobility and neuromuscular connection. They are all genetically variable within an individual but training, consistency, devotion, avoiding injury and progressively overloading starting from a young age where your body can grow and adapt to a physiologically significant extent balance out initial genetic factors. In all you need both as you are achieving a body that is structurally designed to perform a singular task thus the undeniable fact is you need to start from a young age and training for 15+ years is the only way you will be able to achieve the same lifts as these guys.
I'll be at 70 percent of what these guys do and I'd be satisfied for my life lol
Sounds like a challenge
Imagine all of this bullshit beaten by frog lap.
english pls
@@willfarrell8300 Gimme da fakin keys ya koksukkur wat da fak?
In Chinese kungfu there's a saying "打通任督二脉" 🤣🤣 --- which roughly means surpass the body's governing meridians through hard training or even injuty. I believe that's Tian Tao's secret method.
Sounds nice and is great for some, however top athletes are most of the time, always pushing their body as far as it can go. Further pushing it leads to injury or muscle not building as fast. Now if someone with elite genetics pushes themselves to the limit, the same way as someone with non elite genetics, I think it's easy to predict which one will be more succesfull
@@usmankashif6192 dont forget the low to mid amounts of PEDs used for recovery
@@filipraos8072 I mean taking steroids definitely won't make you a world champion, but world champions definitely couldn't get to where they are without it
Tian Tao: "I didn't squat 300 kg at 17, that's bullshit" *lifts 280kg twice at RPE 8*
Lu: _yes, i am grate_
Tao: *logic*
Genetics is the size of your water tank as this is pre-determined, but how much water you choose to fill it with is your hard work and training. Be water my friend.
Was Bruce Lee the original hydro homie ? :)
Nice comparision. I give extra nice for Bruce Lee quote.
Genetic is the size of the water tank, plus the quality of the water plus the material of the tank plus so much more , training is only the outside filter
So much invaluable information in this short video. Thank you!
so much bs in this short video only to hide the fact it's the peds
@@jotr.9786 right only them use! that's also the only reason why you're not a top athlete! :'D
@@OCFHS so what's your excuse. clearly you know this better, so why aren't you a top athlete?
@@jotr.9786 ikr 800m frog jumps lmao. Gtfoh tian
@@jotr.9786 It would seem the sarcasm in my post went over your head
good ankle mobility, chest up knees in alignment with feet , good routine tempo, train lower back and core mmm - solid advice :)
Personally i think the most major part in "how genetically strong you are" are the body lengths/ proportions
Really? And not muscle genetics?
It's mostly how well your nervous system is firing
@@user-cn4ci5wx1s 280kg isnt untouchable my friend. Kids are hitting that easy at the same age as him. I was hitting 230kg when I weight 110kg. I have average genetics. Genetics only matters for the top 1%
I mean, look at john haack. Dude has average leverages and his squat is so inefficient. yet he is totaling almost 1000kg at 95kg. It really is combination of both, but pure genetic strength is the key.
anthropometry accounts for the relative difference between your own compound lifts, but it doesn't explain your overall strength though. Find another man with the same femur to torso ratio as tian tao, and I doubt they would ever squat 280 kg in their life
Tian Tao: I only squatted *280 kg*
Me: *understandable have a nice day*
Great advice from tian tao regarding training back & abs to strengthen squats
Quick answer yes, the maximal potential for strength is genetically gifted. Genetics provide the blueprint for what you could potentially achieve.
Well why then that doesnt apply to genital growth? You can literally extend penis indefintely...
That's not accurate. It can be modified throughout environment adaptation
@@nolol700
Going by your logic everyone and anyone could potentially become a champion weightlifter/strongman/powerlifter. Anyone could become the next Usain Bolt through the right type of environmental adaption. What you are talking about is basically just evolution. Though you as an individual aren’t going to be sticking around long enough to out evolution your genetics.
@@jermaineayivoh8263 Im not talking about evolution, Im talking about genitc conditioning. Lots of "Champions" had ti train for their entire life and eventually got to their actual level. Genetics defines your best only by hight and aestethic which is indeed limiting, but it it limits the point where you start, not where you finish.
@@T1Slam you cant entend the penis, you can only stretch out the connective tissue to add length.
i love this channel
from japan
Gonna try that 1600m frog jump after my next leg day, wish me luck
Yes you can become strong, but to be elite level you need the genetics. Take a look at other athletics and see what sort of body types / people typically compete, long distance vs sprints etc. especially taking into accounts environmental factors.
No u dont
@password 12 why are there certain body types for sprints vs long distance, why are most of the long distance champions from one area....
Why are the best deadlifters have specific traits, long arms, short legs.
@password 12 Steroids still are affected by genetics. How you respond to them etc.
@password 12 I've got pretty good brain genetics but reading your comments just obliterated my braincells so I guess you're right, genetics don't matter after all.
@password 12 and? You could take all the steroids and PEDs in the world and you would never look like Arnold or Ronnie Coleman for example. You would never be able to beat Amy Olympic weightlifting records. You would never be able to beat the 100m record.
Everybody at the top is on PEDs because they need to be, because everyone else is.
The number 1 things these guys have is amazing leverages for the sport
Strenght, speed and technique are all more important than leverages tho.
@@fmls8266 Strength, speed, technique and leverages are all needed. U missing one, u aint gonna be on top
LeVeRaGe AnD rOiDs
always the salty comments
the new future 81 (li dayin) definitely doesn't have LevArAgE... whats the excuse now?
@@user-tz9jh6pv2j you kidding right? His femur to body ratio is quite unbelievable
we are so blessed to get these tips from the world top lifters for free
lol Tian saying "only 280kg" at 17, like it's a completely normal thing to do XD
To answer the question not just anyone can be a world class olympic weightlifter due to genetics and personality just like not anyone can just play basketball there whole life and expect to go pro
@Tin tin man it sucks but the world is unfair at its core because one person with amazing genetics can train for 2 years gain 60lbs of muscle and become a world class lifter while another person with poor genetics can train for 10 years and never put on more than 30lbs of muscle and never gain the strength to become a world class lifter
Very informative. Better than 99% of UA-cam fitness channels with 100 different answers
Genetics is the foundation that determines one's potential which is achieved with progressive and structured training decisions.
YES! Hard truth but a good looking body and strength is all about genetics! Consistency and training is necessary of course but no matter how hard you train, you will never achieve what a gifted person with the same mentality can get from his/her body 🤷🏻♂️ . Just a reminder, you don't need to be a gold medalist or an Instagram model, overcome YOUR limits and be the better version of YOURSELF.
With average (or even poor) genetics and hard training, you can be in top 1% of the population strength-wise.. but if you want to be in Top 0.005% (competitive, Olympic), you probably won't be able to do that with poor/average genetics, because there are too many people with good genetics who are also committed to hard training. [I obviously took those percentages from the ceiling, those are only rough guesses just to give the idea of what I think]
You cant be with poor genetics lol
@@blackhawk4465 Hustle grind porn culture sadly seeped into the strength community and has made many people disregard statistics.
let's not forget that when they were 17 years old, they already had 7-9 years of training in their pockets. Chinese trainees start as young as 8 years old. If you're some dude who's been training squats for 2-3 years and you compare yourself to these 16-18 year olds and say that all their strength come from drugs you're stupid
Salty caucasoids that's y
@@psylee8687 funny how Lasha Talakhadze is a "caucasoid", he's literally from the Caucasus region you goober lmaoo
@@giorgig4828 tbh people from the caucus are more west and central Asian than anything but then again I never understood why people used the word Caucasian to describe Europeans
@@Bamiyanbigasf Lol I don’t even know why Europe country exists. Is there like a river or mountain range between Asia and Europe? Is Georgian Asian or European lol.
I'm only talking about my personal experience, so I've seen very few young guys training for WL from their early age, but I can guarantee you none of them have hit 280kg before turning 18 and even the strongest young guy in my gym, who is 15 at the moment, is still not capable to get to the 200kg treshold. I'm telling this just to help you guys understand how elite these two guys are and how it's not about having 10 years of training history by the time you turn 18, cause you already have to be very gifted to get over 200, so try and imagine what it takes to get to those numbers being that young (I don't even wanna talk about steroids. Let's just pretend they cannot have used PED before turning 18)
yes. You can reach good results even if you aren't genetically gifted for strength with dedication, but those who are will surpass your peak in no time. Also if you watch all these crazy squatters who do 280 @17y their body proportions are made for squat, super short legs and fully upright position. i've been in our powerlifting gym for 25 years and i've seen how bigger late secondary school guys struggle with 120kg deadlift and next guy pulls 200 at age of 15 weighting 70kg and never done lifting before. That is good genetics for strength
Also there is the perfect technique aspect, the olympic coaches start working with these kids from very very early ( like 10-11 old ). In the rural areas where the most elite are found they don't even have proper equipment, the kids start learning the movements with a wooden staff when they start proper training in the big cities the foundation are already rock solid.
Both these guys are so cool
Im here to learn form, progress etc, but notice individuals critizing on them doping, personally I'm not sure if they are or not, but when some people said 'its really really hard near impossible to do 280kg at 17', I was thinking, these two were selected out of a country of 1.4 billion in population and trained all their life, if there is a drug free freak of nature at 17, they are the ones....... (techincally world population since they won gold....also if they were doping so are all of competitors, still pretty fair) Conclusion 'Learn without hate'
Those are just haters. Weightlighting House talked about how Chinese weightlifters get tested more for drugs than athletes from other countries.
@@gjune36 And there are ways to circumvent those tests. Practically every record-holding/top-tier athlete in any sport where explosiveness, strength or endurance is beneficial are on steroids.
The question of strength consists of several points
Depends on height: the taller someone is, the stronger
It even depends on the thickness of the congenital bone: the thicker the bone, the stronger the person is.
It also depends on how muscular someone is, if someone is born into a stocky muscular physique, then it is also basically strong
Ure wrong about the height. Its mostly the opposite
Considerig theyre both the same weight
Awesome thank you
What an awesome guy
ah frog jumps are the secret, who would have guessed
1:10 made me laugh out loud
I just love your informative content 🙏
Thank you.
Definitely some genetics my friend at work is super strong and says he always has been .
If everything is linked with genetics then there is no point of striving for anything.its like a philosophical debate about free will vs determinism
So you can’t strive for a better self?
@@SquatJerkJournalist i would like to beleive I can, but circumstances does play a role
Yes it is, anyone can become strong but only the best genetics will allow you to compete
keep up the great vids!
Arnold has a similar theory about plateauing, he says sometimes your muscles are just ready for whatever you throw at them and that’s where you have to change up your exercise or superset or completely shock them, pretty funny because sometimes the way he talks about his muscles it’s like they are their own seperate entity and deserves their own attention and respect 😂
Everyone in the world level competition is already a genetic lottery winner.
at the highest level where everyone trains the hardest, genetics does matter a lot
Short levers help too
"Strengthening your core and the lower back"!!! That's the secret!!
These guys are unbelievable. If you look at them they have small skeletons, their lifts are unbelievable
Genetics matters in every sports..
Strength just like bodybuilding is mostly genetics. Not that someone with bad genetics can't be strong but if you take John Hack for example have an average person who's the same height and weight train just like him eat just like him etc. I guarantee that person still wouldn't put up the same numbers that Hack can do. It's even more genetics based in bodybuilding. It's all about how good your muscle insertions are, your bone structure, how separated you're muscles are when you diet down and deplete water etc. Those are genetic factors that can't be altered.
Strength goals
0:11
I smell cap
Tian being so light and still being close to those numbers today makes it seem unlikely
people are just built diff. can be said for every aspect of life.
Discipline beats talent.
I don't think people understand how much an advantage have kids later adults, who worked physical labor or trained something at a very young age, it's almost like tailoring your own genetics.
Best comment. 99.9% of people don't unlock their genetic potential because they do nothing as kids.
Yes it is.
Yes. It does.
When people say to squat twice a week, do front squat and back squat count the same? Or would they mean back squat twice a week, and front squat twice a week?
I believe he talks about squats in general
Don't overcomplicate what he said. Squat twice a week can refer to either squat type,just obviously don't train both on both days. Just stick to one type for a period and then swap back
They probably mean have 2 "leg days" a week
My dads always been freakish atrong for a guy thats 5’6 seen him pick things up that didn’t make sense like a whole end of a piano. A lathe bed one whole end. Stuff i couldn’t budge.
Better advice in 1/5th of the time than any fake natty on UA-cam.
"How much did you squat back then at 17" "Only 280kg" Only?! I can't even squat half that.
Frog jumps are on my list now
In terms of fighting theres weight classes that r genetically balanced but overall anyone can learn how to fight but strongman competitions and bodybuilding u need genetics in general
Not at all. Genetics aren't fix. You know that your genes are constantly evolving. You aren't in a fix state once you are born. You actually grow, modify yourself based on your upbringing and many social factors. If you end up a skinny 14-15-16 years old and actually commit to go to the gym on a solid basis, you will grow no matter your ''genes''. It's one thing to have an excuse, it's another to work to change who you are so you become a better version of yourself.
@@remyboivin5837 I would disagree. Genes dictate your maximum potential. A kid born from parents with higher bone density and mass would most likely exhibit the same attributes as his parents. The same if you were born from parents with light bone density and mass. Won't say it a fix but a limitation. An example of this are people who are naturally born stronger than even people who have trained a bit, even though you are in the same weight class. Muscle density, bone structure, and mass play a huge role and your genetics contribute a huge chunk in that.
To use a simpler analogy, your genetic background is the size of your glass and how much you can fill it depends on your training.
i wonder what the Chinese did for knee/ankle mobility??? that has been, for a long time, my weakest point in my squat or any barbell lift for that matter. never with hip mobility.
Squat toilets
Most of us are born with it... Don't quote me on this, but in the rural parts of China, instead of sitting down, they usually squat when resting, also there is the "squat toilet" in China, which is still quite common these day outside first-tier city
Knees require no mobility training- they always bend all the way. It's ankle mobility and hip, etc you gotta worry about. Knees automatically go in the right place if your ankle flexion is good and groin can open up
It definitely is
Bruh said 280 vs 300 lmaooo. 😂😂😂. He gave really good insight. You must rest and train ancillary muscles that help transfer force.
"I never squated 300 kg when I was 17.... I only squated 280kg."
Oh yea okay thats normal.
how much correlation is there between upper back strenght and backsquat 1RM
I think in terms of squat numbers... American kids would just have lower numbers cuz we can't squat for shit with garbage mobility.
I'm Chinese American. I couldn't full squat as a teen lol... cuz i never had to squat in school and i just sat in chairs all day.
My brother (1 year younger than me) always sat in full squats growing up cuz he helped my parents at the store (lots of carrying stuff and squatting down to sort stuff)
So when we started lifting in high school... it took me like.... an entire year just to get my mobility and flexibility to a point i can ATG squat. took me forever to work up to a 4 plate squat (like 2 years). My brother got to a 4 plate squat in 6 months.
Really depends on your starting mobility flexibility and strength. I think it's totally possible for most people to hit a 200 kg+ squat pretty easily with the right training to address weaknesses...
Respect
Strength potential yes.
Squat twice per week is insane! I'm not sying it doesn't work or anything but I literally fuckin squat 3 - 4 times a week hahaha
It's normal because the absolute load they're lifting is so heavy.
Eric Lillibridge Squats once every 2 weeks.
It’s pretty normal, you accumulate too much fatigue by squatting too frequently which sucks your speed and explosiveness for the classic lifts
That last frame tho
Well about 50% of muscle development depends on genetics... but on the bright side just by having some signs that you are working out means that you already in much better shape then average person in real life
No. Not at all. There is no data to back such a statement. Muscle development depends on way more than just genetics. Since someone not training won't develop them. You don't end up with genetics that makes you look like Son Goku just because you wish to. Hard work and dedication will overcome genetics as an excuse.
@@remyboivin5837 great genetics for muscle building works in same exact way as having talent for playing a piano or on anything else:
disclaimer: being a legit talented at anything is super rare...
And it works in following way:
imagine talented warrior in rpg:he kills a bear and gains 500xp for it
and his maximum pssible level is 80
now imagine a warrior with no talent at all:he kills same level bear except he gets just 100xp for it and his maximum possible level is 50
That`s how great genetics(or having a talent at something) works vs bad genetics(no talent at all)
untalented person can win vs talented one only if talented don`t put any real effort at developing his thing
but then again most of us are somwhere in between and only tiny % has something that you could call great genetics. So a wast majority of cases like 90%+of the time it is a matter of hard/smart work after all and not genetics.
@@lightartis228 Do you realize the amount of lies you're saying ? You make no sense. You're out of touch with the meaning of so many words you're using boy. Like, educate yourself. No data back your statement. None. Muscle do not care about genetics. Muscle care about what you do to them. You're missing such an obvious point that I'm questioning how you perceive life. Are you always spitting out lies unknowingly ?
@@remyboivin5837 is your attention span to short to read my entire comment before roasting it? 🤣 I literally said that almost always it's a matter of hard/ smart work when it comes to muscle building, cuzz for wast majority of people genetics does not give any serious advantages or disadvantages, however you have tiny % of people that got fked in terms of muscle building and for them putting any muscle is really hard and you have a tiny % of people who compared to others just looks at weight and they muscles just grows...that group has potential to become pro athletes if they work hard enough...and all high level athletes in addition to hard work must have great genetics to...it's common sense, bro nowhere I said anything controversial or mind blowing lol (having great memory vs crappy one works same way:
With great memory you can read a book few times and you will memorise it ,with bad one you will need to read it 10+ times to really remember everything well in it) now say that all that does not make sense ,does not gets confirmed by science or your own real life personal experience.
@@lightartis228 Nothing of what you said makes any more sense. Like, you are spitting out random remarks. Everything you mentioned could be summarized under one word. Variance. Why do you feel the need to overcomplexify a simply concept such as variance ? You make no sense mate. You just make no sense. Keep digging your own grave though. You are simply an idiot at this point. Data and science are backing me up yet again. What's next ? You can't link any data, any evidence to support any of your lies so far.
GOLD!
Why are we using an English title without English language? Can someone reimburse me my time?
Well, that does make sense, but they forget the hormonal injection part lol.
No. It's part of anybody. You create your own hormonal injections up to a point.
@@remyboivin5837 yeah sure, you totally can break world records without being chemically enhanced, no wonder you're French for being so gullible lol.
ONLY!!!!
They probably started training before 10, by the time they reach 1718 ish, they are already at pro level
So thats why im weak af,from 13-21 i only sat in my room playing games,no wonder my joints and muscles are so fragile 💀
Yes but gear helps too
So when you hit a plateau, lower the intensity and up the volume. Aite got it thanks
Yes..Or do 1RM ..Try both
Ηello from Greece you dont need to be phenomenon...try to fix your self diet rest exercise dont be sad if elite athletes are better than us also dont forget in the game is not only genetics of course genetics training eat and sleep is must but when try be a pro must take and steroids
Frog jumps go VROOM VROOM.
This is explosiveness mostly
People with good genes never put it on the genes because that would dimimish their work put into it. Not many peoples ego work like that.
Run (or Work out) with not world class, but national class athletes sometime. Then come back and tell me it's all work ethic.
All work ethic
@@hghhgh2962 haha
Posture.
Creepy smile at the end
Is it true about frog jumps tho?
Time to work my lower back
Please ask them about their diet
Obvious enough...Chinese food😂
Broccoli, rice and chicken.
TIAN: I didn't squat for 300 kg at 17, it is a rumor.
Reporter: Then how much did you squat at 17?
TIAN: Hmm, about 280 kg..
I am like: .....
If you haven't learned everything you possibly could and put in the work based of learning new things. You CAN NOT blame your genetics. So many people believe in themselves so little the wont get any worthwhile success in life. You dont have to be the best but strive to be the best and see where you end up before you blame genetics. Its pathetic.
2:20 is it me or it sounds like he's saying "you breathe hard"? Lol
*"Tian Tao the humble 280kg at 17 god*"
These are Olympians tested athlete's? It's crazy ..
no strength is not genetically gifted, it comes with work! thank you.
Yes it is it’s the same way some people are just naturally really fast without training for sprinting it comes down to ur fast twitch fibres and natural muscle activation I know a guy who went to the gym 3 time and he could already bench 235 straight up after he got decent form on his second bench session