As a Native, I never thought American Indian history would be put into Star Trek again than the was portrayed in Original Star Trek with Captain Kirk with headbands. Our history is richer than that and TNG displayed that.
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@@oneofthosevoicesyouhear9044 There are 500 Tribes just within North America. Over 100 million people in the America, hard to focus one one tradition to represent on a TV series.
I'm sure all of us may have an ancestor that did brutal or unthinkable things. We may or may not know of them, but they are still a part of our families history.
*Eyes closed* I certainly know of someone who did an unspeakable act to an ancestor of mine. She became famous, in a way. A somewhat well known story in American history. Granted, very distantly related to her.
EVERYONE DOES. This is NOT up for debate. And what was considered normal at the time is immoral now. That's why we DO NOT tear down statues today of people that were erected hundreds of years ago. It makes no logic.
The Native Americans were trying to protect something which they believed in. If Star Trek were real, I would've done what Wesley did and shed the uniform. While I'm not a fighter by nature, I would've made one big exception to defend this group when some of them aligned with the Maquis.
Star Trek gives an amazing insight in its story line. Forward to the future by looking into humanity's past. The writers did good research and I find no better fitting than the Traveler and Wesley conflict in this episode. I love TNG.
We did. Chakotay got a letter written from another Maquis in a Federation prison. All of the Maquis were slaughtered. Gul Dukat exterminated them. Everyone in this colony likely died.
What if there was an episode of Deep Space 9 that dealt with the outcome of this episode? Where some of the Indians on this planet were unhappy living under Cardassian rule and joined the Maquis?
Nothing too specific, just that we did see Native Americans as Maquis members, and that all the colonies annexed fell to absolute Cardassian rule under the Dominion alliance, with all Maquis members either caught by Starfleet and imprisoned or were destroyed by the Jem'Hadar. So it could be conjectured that this colony members had either all left before the Dominion war and those selectively remaining were forced or killed by the Cardassians and/or Jem'Hadar as well.
@@oldtwinsna8347 Yeah. In Voyager, it's confirmed that Gul Dukat made good on his promise and exterminated all of the Maquis colonies. All of these people died or fled to the Federation, where they were arrested and imprisoned.
@analsex stinksbad I've actually never understood why Christopher Columbus, a very English name for an italian, was involved with the Spanish instead of his home country. But the Picard ancestry thing really makes no sense unless he was a mercenary or something like that.
@@circa81 Christopher Columbus basically asked a bunch of kings for money and they all said no so he asked the king of Spain for money and he agreed to give it to him this is the very condensed version
That wasn't uncommon. European armies all had mercenaries in their ranks from every nation in that era. As long as they weren't fighting against their own people, they had no problem with whoever was paying them to fight in their wars. Kings would often recruit mercenary companies and even whole mercenary armies to augment their own forces, as George III employed Hessians in the Revolutionary War.
@@DUCKDUDE4100 Discovery' lacks personality. Star Trek Picard is another disaster. I can't watch it. Bringing back the old crew may revive it. Who knows.
Here in 2022. Starfleet probably did have (or will have, we're still in the past now, haha) more native Americans, if that's what you mean, in this context. Commander Chakotay was considered native American, even if he was from a fictional indigenous tribe on a fictional television show. The actor Robert Beltran is Mexican-American, but people forget that Mexicans, for the most part, are first & foremost inherently native American.
@@iwillrateyou9375 ... They probably wanted to incorporate the group we know as native American as a whole, so that in effect, the story encompasses all of them in general, not just one individual tribe. It's like how we all lump white people together, or blacks or Asians, yet they are all from different nations, locations & bloodlines. A Norwegian is different from Armenian, but both white/Europe. Chinese is totally different from Indian, but all Asian. Namibian different from Somali, etc. People also sometimes forget that native Americans are all tribes in America, from Eskimo all the way down to the Yahgans, not just those in North America or just U.S.
Anyone else feel like Picard was being a *Massive* hypocrite in "indirection" after watching this? Nearly every argument and speach he spouts in that film could be applied to condem his actions in this episode...
By Insurrection, the Maquis had been destroyed by the Dominion who retook the colonies and massacred everyone who resisted on behalf of the Cardassians, it's quite possible they wiped out the colonists as a precaution. Picard's views would have changed.
@@Revan498 Well, remember that Insurrection happened after this. One could argue that he realized he was wrong in this episode, so that when Insurrection happened, he opposed his former self's actions and saw that they were wrong. A person learning from their mistakes and switching to "the good side" is something to praise, not condemn. What would be hypocrisy is if Insurrection happened FIRST and then he went to "the bad side" when it was convenient. But as that didn't happen, it's not hypocrisy, it's growth/evolution, I think.
He sure was. In this TNG episode he feels he needs to maintain Starfleet policy of brown-nosing the Cardassians and essentially screwed the Native American Federation citizens for a "goddamn percentage", but in Insurrection he decides to side with the Ba'ku just because they appear to be white people :P I truly do not understand why a lot of fans think he's the "best Captain". Kirk, Sisko, even Janeway would have sided with the Natives and told the Cardassians to go fuck themselves.
The creators of the Star Trek universe really wrote themselves into a corner with the whole Maquis thing. It produced some interesting episodes, but to finish that thread they would’ve had to have taken a side. Thank god they simply got wiped out by the Dominion in DS9.
That was the worst ending possible. The whole storyline of the Maquis was that it was morally gray and it was unclear who were really the "good guys", and the writers seemed to be intending it as the Federation were certainly NOT in the right, as they addressed this a number of times, with even Starfleet higher ups saying things like "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise (Earth)", "they're not saints, they're just people", and the many saying "the price of peace (with the Cardassians) was too high". Star Trek: Insurrection even outright opposes the forced relocation idea - "How many does it take, Admiral...BEFORE it becomes wrong?" -Picard We as the viewers were robbed of a resolution to the philosophical question in the end, and there's really no good reason for it, especially since it's likely Maquis did survive the war (besides just the ones on Voyager), considering their support from the Klingons and even Federation.
Am I the only one that thought the episode was good. Not saying it was great but I did feel like the characters were interesting here. I realize The Traveler is kind of creepy but I thought he was interesting.
This episode was the first in a succession of trans-series episodes which culminated in the Voyager series premiere. They include: TNG: "Journey's End" (though the Maquis name isn't said here) DS9: "The Maquis (Parts 1&2)" TNG: "Preemptive Strike" DS9: "Tribunal" DS9: "Defiant" VOY: "Caretaker" (followed by the Maquis' inherent inclusion in the Voyager crew) After Voyager started, the Maquis were mentioned sporadically on DS9, but their thread on that series was tragically scrapped in Season 5.
The future in Star Trek may feel a little too much like the repeatable mistakes of the past or the present on many occasions like this. It may stain Gene Roddenberry’s optimistic vision even though he wanted Star Trek through its science fiction to address real issues. But at least some episodes like this one can have happy endings to help make us all truly wiser.
You have to admit this is a bit manipulative on the colonists part. Using their cultural belief of "nothing happens on accident" and the "sins of the father" angle to twist Picard's arm to get their way. All and all pretty decent politicking on their part. Scummy, yet effective.
As a kid, I struggled to understand this episode. As an adult, I understand now that this action directly resulted in the Indian curse that was the TNG movies.
I dont like how they tried to white guilt Picard by bringing up his great grandfather history with Inidnas as IF Picard had anything to do with that whole situation. Kinda ruined the episode for me tbh....
@steve gale Considering how in Star Trek the events of the Purblo Revolt or the colonization of the Americas took place nearly a millenia ago, it goes beyond reparations and straight into pulling straws. For comparison it would be like the Bulgarians demanding reparations from the Greeks for the Byzantine-Bulgarian wars 700 years ago.
Oh god they were even pushing the white guilt thing in the 90s sad, it's like if I a Filipino were to say "the Portuguese invaded my country 500 years ago they should feel bad today" which would be ridiculous
@sean tellier you're correct, I read his comment slightly wrong as I was doing two things at once.I thought I read that he said he was a Filipino,he didn't say that, looking again.
It's funny how Picard wants to force these Indians to resettle, yet in Star Trek Insurrection he's against resettling the Ba'ku. The Indians actually had more rights than the Ba'ku because they were Federation citizens while the Ba'ku weren't. Hypocrite much, Picard?
+Felamine He probably used this experience as a lesson and vowed to never make the same mistake again. You allege hypocrisy, but fail to consider this matter from a character building perspective. By this same logic, you'd condemn one as a hypocrite if they decided to protect lgbt people after having a past of condemning the same. The movie gains a little depth when you consider this episode in context of the movie.
Also, in this episode Picard wants to force resettlement on the Indians because if they aren't resettled it could start an INTERGALACTIC WAR with the Cardassians in which billions of people died. He was basically trying to prevent the events of DS9. In the movie, the stakes were different. The evil admiral wanted to resettle them because he wanted to use their planet for its healing properties. I'm sure Picard, 1) thought the price was too high for the Ba'Ku but not too high for the Indians and, 2) was super concerned about the prime directive, which only applies to the Ba'Ku. ~ I'm not saying Picard's judgments are right, necessarily, but they are two different situations, not the same situation.
Miðgarðsormr Apophis healing properties that can save billions is a price too how? someone's planet that they've inhabited tfor generations and have every right to be isn't? picard is a hypocrite.
BrokAsSexual Chocolate The Indians haven't inhabited this planet for generations. They only lived there for 20 years before the events of the episode. Also, the Prime Directive DOES NOT APPLY to the Indians but it does apply to the Ba'Ku. Wiggle out of that one.
Indians: you have no right to do this, we will stay Picard: this is the cardassians..... Indians: no we will stay. Years Later Indians: WHY AREN'T YOU HELPING US!?
Dukat mentioned, once he became the puppet ruler of Cardassia, that he asked the Dominion to help annihilate any remaining traces of the Maquis, which also includes all its annexed planets returning to Cardassia as a whole. Recall the annexation was not even by force - Federation gave it away. So what he did was just cemented his fist that he was ensuring Cardassians would be left alone. Later episodes showed the Jem'Hadar obliterating the Maquis forces - they stood zero chance.
This episode was a joke. This planet is now under Cardassian politics. If you want a ride to somewhere else, hop on board. Otherwise, you're not our business. Simple.
The Indians remained on the planet, agreeing to live under Cardassian rule. Picard made clear to them that if things were to go badly for them, the Federation would not be able to help them.
And the real messed up thing is we really don't need it. It will not create that many jobs and fuel prices are already low due to a record supply of oil on the market.
@@tomv5988 Isn't the point to stop using trains for the stuff, which are actually an even worse/more dangerous way to move it? Some of the biggest money interests OPPOSING the pipeline are those of the owners/companies that run those trains/contracts. You also have a lot of moneyed groups opposing the pipeline because then they can move it to Canada's west coast and send it to China for processing and selling/profits. And it should be noted China has less environmental regulation than the US, meaning their refineries are dirtier, so processing/refining the oil there will lead to greater carbon emissions and greater impact on climate. And it's not JUST China that would like that instead of the Dakota pipeline. Preventing the pipeline might actually cause more environmental damage short and long-term...and as we know, people profit off of that as well. This isn't to say the grassroots protestors are wrong, but just that the whole thing is more complex - things area ALWAYS more complex - than they might first seem.
Bordeaux is a region that borders with Spain. Picards acester was Spanish and his wife was French. In Latin America you have 2 last names. Your 1st last name from your father and your secondary last name is from your mother. If you're female and get married you drop your mother's last name and your husband's becomes the primary.
Many Native Americans use Indian as well. It seems to be more popular with actual Native Americans than "Native American" is. Though I think most prefer their own tribal name (Cherokee, Sioux, etc), it really does depend on the individuals. Also: This was the early 90s. They used a word viewers at the time would recognize/understand.
I know they wouldn't have done it because of their Christian faith, but this episode would have made a lot more sense if it was an Amish community instead of Native Americans.
As a Native, I never thought American Indian history would be put into Star Trek again than the was portrayed in Original Star Trek with Captain Kirk with headbands. Our history is richer than that and TNG displayed that.
Aho
How do you feel about Chakotay and his portrayal of Native culture? Was that accurate?
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@@oneofthosevoicesyouhear9044 There are 500 Tribes just within North America. Over 100 million people in the America, hard to focus one one tradition to represent on a TV series.
Troi's face is like, "Picard had to drag me into this bullshit for what reason?"
Picard likes to portray himself as an amateur archaeologist, but this time someone used that to pull the rug out from under him. HaHa.
You might want to look up the definition of “archaeology”.
@@danielchilton5400 There is always politics in archaeology, it's the story of how people lived by looking at the artifacts.
I'm sure all of us may have an ancestor that did brutal or unthinkable things. We may or may not know of them, but they are still a part of our families history.
Indians did unspeakable things. But virtue signalling now gives shields to certain people.
*Eyes closed* I certainly know of someone who did an unspeakable act to an ancestor of mine. She became famous, in a way. A somewhat well known story in American history. Granted, very distantly related to her.
EVERYONE DOES. This is NOT up for debate. And what was considered normal at the time is immoral now. That's why we DO NOT tear down statues today of people that were erected hundreds of years ago. It makes no logic.
The Native Americans were trying to protect something which they believed in. If Star Trek were real, I would've done what Wesley did and shed the uniform. While I'm not a fighter by nature, I would've made one big exception to defend this group when some of them aligned with the Maquis.
"If you thought the White people are bad... you haven't seen shit yet with the Cardassians..."
Star Trek gives an amazing insight in its story line. Forward to the future by looking into humanity's past. The writers did good research and I find no better fitting than the Traveler and Wesley conflict in this episode. I love TNG.
Too bad, we never had a reference from Chakotay to this episode in Voyager.
Yes. That would have been perfect writing. Perfect. perfect.
Since the Maquis on had been around on DS9 for several months by the time Voyager premiered I think it was implied.
We did. Chakotay got a letter written from another Maquis in a Federation prison. All of the Maquis were slaughtered. Gul Dukat exterminated them. Everyone in this colony likely died.
-"There are times, sir, when men of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders." Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
What if there was an episode of Deep Space 9 that dealt with the outcome of this episode? Where some of the Indians on this planet were unhappy living under Cardassian rule and joined the Maquis?
That was basically addressed with Chakotay's character.
Nothing too specific, just that we did see Native Americans as Maquis members, and that all the colonies annexed fell to absolute Cardassian rule under the Dominion alliance, with all Maquis members either caught by Starfleet and imprisoned or were destroyed by the Jem'Hadar. So it could be conjectured that this colony members had either all left before the Dominion war and those selectively remaining were forced or killed by the Cardassians and/or Jem'Hadar as well.
@@oldtwinsna8347 That would be a shame.
@@oldtwinsna8347 Yeah. In Voyager, it's confirmed that Gul Dukat made good on his promise and exterminated all of the Maquis colonies. All of these people died or fled to the Federation, where they were arrested and imprisoned.
Wait a second, what the hell was a Frenchman doing in the Spanish Army in New Mexico?
@analsex stinksbad I've actually never understood why Christopher Columbus, a very English name for an italian, was involved with the Spanish instead of his home country. But the Picard ancestry thing really makes no sense unless he was a mercenary or something like that.
@@circa81 Christopher Columbus basically asked a bunch of kings for money and they all said no so he asked the king of Spain for money and he agreed to give it to him this is the very condensed version
Uh...same way a Gonzalez can be in the U.S. Army and stationed in Virginia?
That wasn't uncommon. European armies all had mercenaries in their ranks from every nation in that era. As long as they weren't fighting against their own people, they had no problem with whoever was paying them to fight in their wars. Kings would often recruit mercenary companies and even whole mercenary armies to augment their own forces, as George III employed Hessians in the Revolutionary War.
I like these social awareness episodes. Every one of the modern Treks has one episode except for Enterprise.
No Enterprise had one about the stigma of HIV/AIDS T'Pol was assaulted via mind meld and contracted Pa'nar Syndrome
Will we ever get this Trek back?
I seriously doubt it. Hopefully Discovery'll be over soon and star trek as a TV series will die with it so they can't ruin it any further.
No.
In about 15 years when Paramount goes 'back to basics'
@@DUCKDUDE4100 Discovery' lacks personality. Star Trek Picard is another disaster. I can't watch it. Bringing back the old crew may revive it. Who knows.
Strange New Worlds is fantastic
They need more Natives in Star Trek or Starfleet.
They should have picked a tribe not all natives are the same they won't call themselves Indians either in a new planet
Here in 2022. Starfleet probably did have (or will have, we're still in the past now, haha) more native Americans, if that's what you mean, in this context. Commander Chakotay was considered native American, even if he was from a fictional indigenous tribe on a fictional television show. The actor Robert Beltran is Mexican-American, but people forget that Mexicans, for the most part, are first & foremost inherently native American.
@@iwillrateyou9375 ... They probably wanted to incorporate the group we know as native American as a whole, so that in effect, the story encompasses all of them in general, not just one individual tribe. It's like how we all lump white people together, or blacks or Asians, yet they are all from different nations, locations & bloodlines. A Norwegian is different from Armenian, but both white/Europe. Chinese is totally different from Indian, but all Asian. Namibian different from Somali, etc. People also sometimes forget that native Americans are all tribes in America, from Eskimo all the way down to the Yahgans, not just those in North America or just U.S.
Anyone else feel like Picard was being a *Massive* hypocrite in "indirection" after watching this? Nearly every argument and speach he spouts in that film could be applied to condem his actions in this episode...
Insurection?
@@elih9700 yeah, misspelled the movie name
By Insurrection, the Maquis had been destroyed by the Dominion who retook the colonies and massacred everyone who resisted on behalf of the Cardassians, it's quite possible they wiped out the colonists as a precaution. Picard's views would have changed.
@@Revan498 Well, remember that Insurrection happened after this.
One could argue that he realized he was wrong in this episode, so that when Insurrection happened, he opposed his former self's actions and saw that they were wrong. A person learning from their mistakes and switching to "the good side" is something to praise, not condemn.
What would be hypocrisy is if Insurrection happened FIRST and then he went to "the bad side" when it was convenient. But as that didn't happen, it's not hypocrisy, it's growth/evolution, I think.
He sure was. In this TNG episode he feels he needs to maintain Starfleet policy of brown-nosing the Cardassians and essentially screwed the Native American Federation citizens for a "goddamn percentage", but in Insurrection he decides to side with the Ba'ku just because they appear to be white people :P
I truly do not understand why a lot of fans think he's the "best Captain". Kirk, Sisko, even Janeway would have sided with the Natives and told the Cardassians to go fuck themselves.
The creators of the Star Trek universe really wrote themselves into a corner with the whole Maquis thing. It produced some interesting episodes, but to finish that thread they would’ve had to have taken a side. Thank god they simply got wiped out by the Dominion in DS9.
That was the worst ending possible.
The whole storyline of the Maquis was that it was morally gray and it was unclear who were really the "good guys", and the writers seemed to be intending it as the Federation were certainly NOT in the right, as they addressed this a number of times, with even Starfleet higher ups saying things like "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise (Earth)", "they're not saints, they're just people", and the many saying "the price of peace (with the Cardassians) was too high". Star Trek: Insurrection even outright opposes the forced relocation idea - "How many does it take, Admiral...BEFORE it becomes wrong?" -Picard
We as the viewers were robbed of a resolution to the philosophical question in the end, and there's really no good reason for it, especially since it's likely Maquis did survive the war (besides just the ones on Voyager), considering their support from the Klingons and even Federation.
Yeah, I remember the Maquis, just didn't remember this specific episode or connect the characters in this clip with Chakotay.
I love this episode as a Canadian, a bunch of North Of 60 actors are in this as I real.
Am I the only one that thought the episode was good. Not saying it was great but I did feel like the characters were interesting here. I realize The Traveler is kind of creepy but I thought he was interesting.
This episode was the first in a succession of trans-series episodes which culminated in the Voyager series premiere. They include:
TNG: "Journey's End" (though the Maquis name isn't said here)
DS9: "The Maquis (Parts 1&2)"
TNG: "Preemptive Strike"
DS9: "Tribunal"
DS9: "Defiant"
VOY: "Caretaker" (followed by the Maquis' inherent inclusion in the Voyager crew)
After Voyager started, the Maquis were mentioned sporadically on DS9, but their thread on that series was tragically scrapped in Season 5.
Thank you for posting this.
The future in Star Trek may feel a little too much like the repeatable mistakes of the past or the present on many occasions like this. It may stain Gene Roddenberry’s optimistic vision even though he wanted Star Trek through its science fiction to address real issues. But at least some episodes like this one can have happy endings to help make us all truly wiser.
"Yeah, right. That's fascinating, but you are still going to die if you stay. I came to save you from others, you are fucking welcome"
The episode set up a continuing storylines on DS9 and Voyager.
You have to admit this is a bit manipulative on the colonists part. Using their cultural belief of "nothing happens on accident" and the "sins of the father" angle to twist Picard's arm to get their way.
All and all pretty decent politicking on their part. Scummy, yet effective.
Its an old song..... it repeats.... on every world, again and again. It must be faced up too.
People hit you, you hit them back then they complain that you hit them harder than they did.
As a kid, I struggled to understand this episode. As an adult, I understand now that this action directly resulted in the Indian curse that was the TNG movies.
WOW. lmao
Wait...what? o.O
Indian curse?
No one has ever defeated Picard in debate this completely
I dont like how they tried to white guilt Picard by bringing up his great grandfather history with Inidnas as IF Picard had anything to do with that whole situation. Kinda ruined the episode for me tbh....
@steve gale who condemns all A whole race of peopel based on their ancestors?
Cuz that's not RASCIST at all...😒
@steve gale smartazz, Thank you for correcting me when no one asked u too🙃
Paleskins have a responsibility to make it right
Attacking a person's spelling and grammar is pretty weak, and only only serves to deflect the point of the argument.
@steve gale
Considering how in Star Trek the events of the Purblo Revolt or the colonization of the Americas took place nearly a millenia ago, it goes beyond reparations and straight into pulling straws.
For comparison it would be like the Bulgarians demanding reparations from the Greeks for the Byzantine-Bulgarian wars 700 years ago.
There, it is now impossible for him to do it
Woa, Got him right in the Picard
That’s some Jedi mind shit right there
You'd think that "new" mexico wouldn't be so new, in the 24th century.
Oh god they were even pushing the white guilt thing in the 90s sad, it's like if I a Filipino were to say "the Portuguese invaded my country 500 years ago they should feel bad today" which would be ridiculous
@sean tellier I think he probably knows that.
@sean tellier you're correct, I read his comment slightly wrong as I was doing two things at once.I thought I read that he said he was a Filipino,he didn't say that, looking again.
It's funny how Picard wants to force these Indians to resettle, yet in Star Trek Insurrection he's against resettling the Ba'ku. The Indians actually had more rights than the Ba'ku because they were Federation citizens while the Ba'ku weren't. Hypocrite much, Picard?
same shit I said
+Felamine He probably used this experience as a lesson and vowed to never make the same mistake again. You allege hypocrisy, but fail to consider this matter from a character building perspective. By this same logic, you'd condemn one as a hypocrite if they decided to protect lgbt people after having a past of condemning the same. The movie gains a little depth when you consider this episode in context of the movie.
Also, in this episode Picard wants to force resettlement on the Indians because if they aren't resettled it could start an INTERGALACTIC WAR with the Cardassians in which billions of people died. He was basically trying to prevent the events of DS9. In the movie, the stakes were different. The evil admiral wanted to resettle them because he wanted to use their planet for its healing properties. I'm sure Picard, 1) thought the price was too high for the Ba'Ku but not too high for the Indians and, 2) was super concerned about the prime directive, which only applies to the Ba'Ku. ~ I'm not saying Picard's judgments are right, necessarily, but they are two different situations, not the same situation.
Miðgarðsormr Apophis healing properties that can save billions is a price too how? someone's planet that they've inhabited tfor generations and have every right to be isn't? picard is a hypocrite.
BrokAsSexual Chocolate The Indians haven't inhabited this planet for generations. They only lived there for 20 years before the events of the episode. Also, the Prime Directive DOES NOT APPLY to the Indians but it does apply to the Ba'Ku. Wiggle out of that one.
Indians: you have no right to do this, we will stay
Picard: this is the cardassians.....
Indians: no we will stay.
Years Later Indians: WHY AREN'T YOU HELPING US!?
But then Picard remembered that his family is French, not Spanish.
Picards arc went to shit in S7
Yes he was. One of the characters here was his grandfather.
WAIT A MINUTE! So TNG goes to great lengths to suggest that Picard is of FRENCH ancestry, and now Picard is of SPANISH ancestry??? Make up your mind!!
...And then the Cardassians wiped them out from space when they terraformed the planet. it was a sad ending.
We are not victim's we are the decedents of warriors
Hm, nice tie-in between series.
It is titled "Journey's End." It was seventh from the end (if you don't include "All Good Things..." as two separate episodes).
Wait, was Chakotay from this tribe?
Possibly, but this episode clearly provided the inspiration for his character and the maquis storyline...
I assume though the Dominion later wiped out the First Nations on this planet though?
Only if they were part of the Maquis rebellion.
@@Dekline25 They were, Chakotay said the Cardassians attacked them leading to him joining the Maquis.
I wonder if they'd even call themselves "First Nations", though.
Dukat mentioned, once he became the puppet ruler of Cardassia, that he asked the Dominion to help annihilate any remaining traces of the Maquis, which also includes all its annexed planets returning to Cardassia as a whole. Recall the annexation was not even by force - Federation gave it away. So what he did was just cemented his fist that he was ensuring Cardassians would be left alone. Later episodes showed the Jem'Hadar obliterating the Maquis forces - they stood zero chance.
This episode was a joke. This planet is now under Cardassian politics. If you want a ride to somewhere else, hop on board. Otherwise, you're not our business. Simple.
What was the final ending? I can’t find videos online anywhere 😢
The Indians remained on the planet, agreeing to live under Cardassian rule. Picard made clear to them that if things were to go badly for them, the Federation would not be able to help them.
INDIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So say we all... this is true.
@Whitetiger770 "Journey's End"
I'd still wish it is more accurate.
This is oppositional occupation occuksional ..vs Mayan vs Spanish ..influzena ..!nfected blankets
How would they know it was one of HIS ancestors? There could be several Picard families!
this is so ridiculously racist!
@Főfasírozó Replying to a 7 year old comment bro.
what episode is this?
Journey's End
Dakota Access Pipeline?
And the real messed up thing is we really don't need it. It will not create that many jobs and fuel prices are already low due to a record supply of oil on the market.
Tom V I agree.
lol
eh, dff motives tho. federation is doing it to keep "peace" , Government did that for money.
@@tomv5988 Isn't the point to stop using trains for the stuff, which are actually an even worse/more dangerous way to move it? Some of the biggest money interests OPPOSING the pipeline are those of the owners/companies that run those trains/contracts. You also have a lot of moneyed groups opposing the pipeline because then they can move it to Canada's west coast and send it to China for processing and selling/profits. And it should be noted China has less environmental regulation than the US, meaning their refineries are dirtier, so processing/refining the oil there will lead to greater carbon emissions and greater impact on climate. And it's not JUST China that would like that instead of the Dakota pipeline. Preventing the pipeline might actually cause more environmental damage short and long-term...and as we know, people profit off of that as well.
This isn't to say the grassroots protestors are wrong, but just that the whole thing is more complex - things area ALWAYS more complex - than they might first seem.
the research was innacurate
They tried to make him look Spanish when he's actually French from the Bordeaux region Wine Country Picard is French not Spanish
It could be another branch of the family. Like the Habsburgs and Bourbons, they could be spread out over different parts of Europe.
So he's a Englishman, playing a Frenchman, with a Spanish ancestor. 0_o.....
Bordeaux is a region that borders with Spain. Picards acester was Spanish and his wife was French. In Latin America you have 2 last names. Your 1st last name from your father and your secondary last name is from your mother. If you're female and get married you drop your mother's last name and your husband's becomes the primary.
Hippy dippy mumbo jumbo presented as wisdom 😂
LMAO Troi called them Indians... Indians are from India.
Many Native Americans use Indian as well. It seems to be more popular with actual Native Americans than "Native American" is. Though I think most prefer their own tribal name (Cherokee, Sioux, etc), it really does depend on the individuals.
Also: This was the early 90s. They used a word viewers at the time would recognize/understand.
Imagine if this was made today all the wokey virtue signalling that would be made. Rather than telling a story.
racist against who? and why?
Well, they are not Indians. They are original Americans.
I know they wouldn't have done it because of their Christian faith, but this episode would have made a lot more sense if it was an Amish community instead of Native Americans.
Why?
This was a poor episode imo, *"Pick random spanish names* PICARD! OOOO SPOOKY!"
Space native Americans??? So funny. He is big chief kimonIwannalickalottanooki from the wannaseemypeepee tribe.
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