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  • @LastCallAgain
    @LastCallAgain 3 роки тому +84

    2:05
    Turner: "Am I out?"
    Flormon: "Not yet... Now you are."

    • @aidancathey5910
      @aidancathey5910 3 роки тому +2

      My first thought was Justin Turner so I kept backing it up to see what I missed.

    • @russellcurtis2501
      @russellcurtis2501 3 роки тому +6

      I think the Phillies are lucky obstruction was not called. If you look at other plays pulling the same or similar fake, the fielder never touches the runner. The infielder did put his mitt on the runner. Was it enough to prevent him from getting back safely, no. But that is not what the rule says. Just contact.

    • @briley2177
      @briley2177 3 роки тому +2

      @@russellcurtis2501
      Exactly right. Should’ve been called.

    • @georgecaplice
      @georgecaplice 2 роки тому +2

      @@russellcurtis2501 exactly my thought while watching that

    • @joeylane07
      @joeylane07 2 роки тому +1

      @@russellcurtis2501 came here looking for that comment. I’ve seen Baez fake people out like that but never use the glove

  • @renoraider9817
    @renoraider9817 11 місяців тому +9

    At 2:44 the second baseman tagged the runner with an empty glove. That runner was not tagged out at that time. The 2nd baseman had the ball in his throwing hand.

    • @Ghxst_smo
      @Ghxst_smo Місяць тому +1

      I was about to say that lol

    • @cjholm55
      @cjholm55 Місяць тому

      That's why they did a review and overturned it.

  • @BookZealots
    @BookZealots 3 роки тому +31

    This was in my feed. I haven't played ball in ages, but wow, these were great.

    • @Groupiebby
      @Groupiebby 3 роки тому +3

      Literally same but I’ve jus been watching these non stop for the past few days

    • @BookZealots
      @BookZealots 3 роки тому

      @@Groupiebby I think I will be too. They're a bit addicting, but in a positive, "you can do anything" kind of way. 👍

    • @ugaboga9829
      @ugaboga9829 3 роки тому

      I like playing with balls...

    • @christopherpark5481
      @christopherpark5481 3 роки тому

      @@ugaboga9829 good to hear

    • @MyfriendthinkheOJ
      @MyfriendthinkheOJ 3 роки тому

      I've never played. Or watched it

  • @sexislikeemotioninmotion4152
    @sexislikeemotioninmotion4152 3 роки тому +39

    AMAZING Talents.

  • @joeygarcia2651
    @joeygarcia2651 3 роки тому +35

    Harrison did that little slide cancel 😂

    • @Persuter
      @Persuter 3 роки тому +1

      The funny part is that if the second baseman had just kept his glove exactly where it was, he'd have gotten the out. Great bit of misdirection.

  • @jeffreydavis2578
    @jeffreydavis2578 2 роки тому +1

    2:23 nice play

  • @gavinwright7187
    @gavinwright7187 Рік тому +1

    2:40 have made this play and I love it

  • @joepall323
    @joepall323 Місяць тому +1

    @2:49, Greinke safe running to second was never tagged with the ball (glove only)

  • @fernanditovargas4339
    @fernanditovargas4339 3 роки тому +34

    The fake to third and throw to first is a balk now.

    • @SportsVIDZ34
      @SportsVIDZ34 11 місяців тому +2

      No it’s not

    • @allvlone1755
      @allvlone1755 11 місяців тому +2

      @@SportsVIDZ34it is

    • @SportsVIDZ34
      @SportsVIDZ34 11 місяців тому +1

      Not if it has runners on first and third and they fake to third and throw to first

    • @Sportsboys-12
      @Sportsboys-12 10 місяців тому +3

      It is a balk

    • @J-Rod2
      @J-Rod2 7 місяців тому

      Cap it's a yoyo

  • @jpsned
    @jpsned 3 роки тому +9

    0:47 "J. C. Martin" was a catcher for the White Sox, Mets and Cubs in the 60s and 70s. He was one of the heroes in the 1969 WS for the Mets. : )

  • @abhisekchoudhary3108
    @abhisekchoudhary3108 2 роки тому +1

    Hi l am from India lt is a nice video l love baseball ⚾️

  • @storytimewithunclebill1998
    @storytimewithunclebill1998 3 роки тому +106

    Love the game. Cant wait for more baseball. Great video

  • @michaelbenigni2054
    @michaelbenigni2054 3 роки тому +9

    At 4:42, the second baseman stroked his knee before he touched the base

    • @core4090
      @core4090 2 роки тому

      nah you can see on the last angle, he doesnt touch him

  • @MrLokojorge
    @MrLokojorge 2 місяці тому +2

    Florimon touching Treat Turner while not having the ball is obstructions and should have been awarded the bag or a return to 1st. These are the days without replay and these are the things that turned a game.

  • @aligamer2966
    @aligamer2966 3 роки тому +2

    Nice

  • @tylerasheuer5691
    @tylerasheuer5691 2 роки тому +3

    That utley play is goated

  • @graysonsterling9103
    @graysonsterling9103 3 роки тому +7

    2:45 he didn’t get him out because the ball wasn’t in his glove

    • @khonorbo4011
      @khonorbo4011 3 роки тому

      But it was in his hand

    • @nathanmonahan6157
      @nathanmonahan6157 3 роки тому +3

      @@khonorbo4011 but it has to be in the hand you apply the tag with

  • @thepineapples8619
    @thepineapples8619 3 роки тому +1

    Those plays were sick

  • @giggledust4653
    @giggledust4653 3 роки тому +35

    1:49 This play is actually a missed call, this play is Obstruction, the shortstop isnt allowed to touch trea turner without the ball because that could prevent the runner returning to the base

    • @rh6625
      @rh6625 2 роки тому +10

      Notice how the shortstop pretends to make a tag but keeps his glove away from the runner? He only touched him after the runner was standing on the base.
      The rule for obstruction is, "when a fielder illegally hinders a baserunner running within the basepath". The shortstop clearly didn't hinder the runner from reaching 2nd base.

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec Рік тому +2

      LOL there was no obstruction, it was a pop out and he was doubled off.

  • @yoshiirosavage1833
    @yoshiirosavage1833 2 роки тому +1

    0:43 And...... OUT is the call 😂😂😂

  • @natesturm448
    @natesturm448 3 роки тому +33

    2:09. Hollywood Casino. I live 8 minutes from there xD.

  • @thetiger7474
    @thetiger7474 2 роки тому +7

    fakes move is a fake move of fake moves

  • @TheThanandros
    @TheThanandros 3 роки тому +18

    So amazing that being a grown kid ,always have had Baseball, Love you Dad for giving me the American Past time ! Thank you for the upload- Thank you Dad for coaching me!

  • @pohorex6834
    @pohorex6834 3 роки тому +18

    What happened on the greinke dodgers vs STL one? Was greinke called safe because the ball wasnt in the fielders glove?

    • @patrickharris4641
      @patrickharris4641 3 роки тому +5

      Yea he never actually got tagged with the ball or a glove with the ball in it

  • @YoshisaurUnderscore
    @YoshisaurUnderscore 2 роки тому +16

    1:03 Would this play be considered a balk? I thought once you started the pitching motion, you had to follow through.

    • @Sizzela
      @Sizzela 2 роки тому +3

      i was wondering the same, i thought the back foot had to move first

    • @MorsecodeZ
      @MorsecodeZ 2 роки тому +3

      At the time it was legal, but you can no longer fake to third and turn back towards first base. He would have had to step off the mound before making the move to third, or throw to third.

    • @betaomega04
      @betaomega04 2 роки тому +3

      That's definitely a balk.

    • @Drknow1984
      @Drknow1984 2 роки тому +2

      100% a balk by todays rule set

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec Рік тому +5

      That clip is from 2000, and at the time was a legal move. The rule was changed before the 2013 season.

  • @counterstriving
    @counterstriving 3 роки тому +2

    Great stuff.

  • @reallifeengineer7214
    @reallifeengineer7214 3 роки тому +15

    @1:35
    Both team’s uniforms look so much alike on TV. I can’t tell what’s going on! 😅
    Hopefully in-person the colors appeared more different than they did on TV.

  • @ethanmcauley569
    @ethanmcauley569 3 роки тому +6

    1:20 thats a balk he has to throw the ball to where his foot is leading

    • @daveh1758
      @daveh1758 3 роки тому +1

      Didn't have to make the throw to third back then. And once that legal fake was made, the pitcher was just an infielder free to do anything with the ball.
      Did you actually think everybody on the field missed that hardly-subtle movement, only to be caught by a sharp-eyed youtube commenter years later?

    • @DJGaming-qw8hu
      @DJGaming-qw8hu 3 роки тому

      @@vmb1432 the Mets still had black uniforms, they were in Shea Stadium which was demolished in 2008 to build Citi Field, and the camera quality is horrendous so yea, it’s before 2013

  • @stephencarlozzitl6726
    @stephencarlozzitl6726 3 роки тому +1

    love MLB

  • @nvd2ceb4
    @nvd2ceb4 3 роки тому +9

    Never been a fan of baseball but would watch if stuff like this happened more often.

  • @katherinecaraballoflorez1526
    @katherinecaraballoflorez1526 2 роки тому +1

    Que locura ⚾⚾⚾🎇

  • @dummyguy123
    @dummyguy123 2 роки тому +14

    Ender Inciarte is very good at dekes! I always think of the one where he fakes the “can’t find it” move and throws out the runner at 1st.

  • @lilylonestar
    @lilylonestar 3 роки тому +1

    Aaahh, YIIISSSSS!!! Now that's fun!

  • @philliphamilton9183
    @philliphamilton9183 3 роки тому +2

    Absolute big brains

  • @lscales6131
    @lscales6131 11 місяців тому

    1:40 this was a discussion in an umpire meeting we had for our chapter. Some felt that him applying the fake tag and keep the glove on him could be considered obstruction. As a Phillies fan I told him to shut up.

  • @coltonb3850
    @coltonb3850 3 роки тому +18

    I do the fake throw to first when I’m at short sometimes and I get the guy on 2nd out

  • @ultharlightbringer4248
    @ultharlightbringer4248 3 роки тому +7

    I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL
    I DO NOT PLAY BASEBALL
    I DO NOT WATCH BASEBALL
    AND YET
    HERE I AM

  • @jacobstevens7944
    @jacobstevens7944 3 роки тому +1

    i like it

  • @jungleno.
    @jungleno. 3 місяці тому

    2:50 The second baseman tags to runner with his glove, but the ball is in his other hand. The umpire should’ve caught that.

  • @dutchvandermak4581
    @dutchvandermak4581 3 роки тому

    crazy stuff

  • @horde4909
    @horde4909 2 роки тому

    The old Jedi mind trick. 1:39

  • @weeweewacker
    @weeweewacker 3 роки тому +5

    Ah yes, the quintessential ironing cheese, absolutely superb

  • @stewwC17
    @stewwC17 2 роки тому +1

    Good video

  • @SevenDeMagnus
    @SevenDeMagnus Рік тому

    Lots of things you never knew are legal moves in baseball, much like in volleyball.
    God bless innovation.

  • @keeleywalsh60
    @keeleywalsh60 3 роки тому +9

    Anyone notice at 2:48 the runner is safe because he tagged with the glove without the ball

    • @alanshao7512
      @alanshao7512 3 роки тому +1

      The call was over ruled i believe, it said he was put back at 2nd

    • @nathanmonahan6157
      @nathanmonahan6157 3 роки тому +1

      @Charles Steele actually the rule is that the runner must be tagged with the ball itself, the glove is the only thing that acts as an extension of the ball itself.

  • @squidixyt2973
    @squidixyt2973 3 роки тому +4

    This is a great video

  • @blazepatton1710
    @blazepatton1710 3 роки тому +1

    nice

  • @iamtater4259
    @iamtater4259 3 роки тому +2

    yes

  • @commonsensejoe382
    @commonsensejoe382 3 роки тому +1

    One of the plays shows the 2nd basman tagging the runner with the glove but ball in other hand. The guy was NOt out.

  • @jordaninthevibes6820
    @jordaninthevibes6820 3 роки тому +1

    Man they are out there like swinging those bats

    • @SlickTemerity
      @SlickTemerity 3 роки тому

      Wow they are really swinging those bats

  • @webdev217
    @webdev217 3 роки тому

    3:15 that was clever.

  • @markster136
    @markster136 День тому

    7:41 Won the world series.

  • @Drknow1984
    @Drknow1984 2 роки тому +28

    1:06 "Great move Great move" No that's a balk my man.

    • @bobmcgriddle5504
      @bobmcgriddle5504 2 роки тому +2

      That was what my first thought was

    • @jacobyoung9981
      @jacobyoung9981 2 роки тому

      Yeah there were a couple pickoff throws that looked like balks.

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec Рік тому +13

      That clip is from 2000, and at the time was a legal move. The rule was changed before the 2013 season.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому +2

      It was a legal move when this game was played.

    • @DaddyRCZ
      @DaddyRCZ 11 місяців тому

      ok as soon as it happened i was like wait how is that not a balk

  • @OAleathaO
    @OAleathaO 2 роки тому

    After seeing videos like this which have older SD broadcast games vs the newer HD games, no wonder people wanted to see the games in person back then. Just the difference in the color brilliance is amazing. But then again this is coming from someone that grew up in the 80s, was never interested in baseball and was always seeing my father watch baseball on the 28" or 30" console TV my family had. :)

  • @chloehennessey6813
    @chloehennessey6813 4 місяці тому

    1:11
    That wasn’t a fake that was a balk!
    5:12
    That’s a balk as well!

  • @Dom-lk8hd
    @Dom-lk8hd 3 роки тому

    Yeet the ball

  • @steveholman5978
    @steveholman5978 3 роки тому +4

    At 2:50 in the clip, the second basemen misses the tag on the advancing runner prior to throwing to first base. Some bad umping there to call it a double play.

  • @rodrigopulido
    @rodrigopulido 3 роки тому +12

    1:08 that's a balk

    • @samparker3886
      @samparker3886 3 роки тому +3

      uh no it’s not

    • @valentins4744
      @valentins4744 3 роки тому +1

      Yes it is because he was going to pitch and he throws the ball to 1 base

    • @colbyadams7678
      @colbyadams7678 3 роки тому +1

      @@valentins4744 he didn’t make a move to home plate.

    • @chrisknowskarate
      @chrisknowskarate 3 роки тому +5

      This Check 3rd then throw to 1st move is NOW illegal circa 2017ish. But it was legal then. I would also hear arguments that he really didn't step to 3rd deliberately and was therefore a balk.

    • @rodrigopulido
      @rodrigopulido 3 роки тому +2

      @@chrisknowskarate yeah you're right, this movement is illegal now a day. Before it wasa complete legal movement

  • @jjgging9603
    @jjgging9603 3 роки тому +1

    I suscbribe!!

  • @toddbrown4935
    @toddbrown4935 3 роки тому

    At 7:00 it is interesting that both the shortstop and the second baseman were in on the deception. Also, in that same play, the white sleeve of the shortstop kind of looks like a baseball (if you're a runner and not paying close attention). Which makes me think: if I was an infielder, I would totally wear a white sweatband at my wrist to try and decieve runners.

  • @JJMBanaz
    @JJMBanaz 3 роки тому +1

    wow raise your volume

  • @minimechanics6825
    @minimechanics6825 2 роки тому

    When your watching and you do not know what happens you know it’s good

  • @noraarchibald4211
    @noraarchibald4211 3 роки тому

    cool

  • @fishingwithhomer4614
    @fishingwithhomer4614 Рік тому

    Like it

  • @shysavsisters8542
    @shysavsisters8542 3 роки тому +4

    When they got a double play bc he tagged the runner going to 2 and then threw to 1 if you look closer he didn’t tag the runner with the ball he tagged the runner with his glove

    • @a1driver982
      @a1driver982 3 роки тому

      That is one of the things I was gonna say. Theres a few things they should of called but missed. Its funny that certain things only get called against they visiting team or the home team but never both. I don't believe for a single second that every ump calls every game completely fair. I do believe that depending on who the umpire(s) are will determine the game.

    • @reallifeengineer7214
      @reallifeengineer7214 3 роки тому

      Interesting. My goodness. You are right. I didn’t see that.
      Why didn’t the team challenge that call?

    • @reallifeengineer7214
      @reallifeengineer7214 3 роки тому

      @Jason Sim
      Got it. Thank you.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому +1

      They didn't get the double play. The runner was safe at second base.

  • @Kekuahiwi
    @Kekuahiwi 4 місяці тому

    2:49 second baseman takes the ball from his glove and doesn't tag the runner with the ball.

  • @medinafamily2545
    @medinafamily2545 3 роки тому +1

    Nice!!

  • @JessicaZane4realz
    @JessicaZane4realz 3 роки тому +4

    I really miss going to baseball games. And I mean normal baseball games, not like today kind.

  • @glug307
    @glug307 2 роки тому

    God loves you guys!

  • @henleyguerrero303
    @henleyguerrero303 11 місяців тому

    1:06 tat's a balk

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 6 місяців тому

      No it is not a balk. It was a legal move when this game was played. The rule has changed and would be a balk today.

  • @kruer
    @kruer 3 роки тому +9

    Hello what’s poppin

  • @justinball2250
    @justinball2250 2 роки тому +1

    At about 2:50 Wong tags the base runner out with glove whilst the ball is in his free hand. Pretty sure that’s not legal.

    • @Dave-lg5oz
      @Dave-lg5oz 2 роки тому

      Ya I thought the same, not sure how that works but don’t look rite lol

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому

      It's not illegal, it's just not an out. The out on the runner was overturned.

  • @californiahikebike
    @californiahikebike 2 роки тому +2

    2:39 so is the runner out if the guy tags him with his empty glove while holding the ball in throwing hand?

    • @davemiller9570
      @davemiller9570 2 роки тому +3

      Upon review the runner is called safe. It’s all there

  • @beeninsane5371
    @beeninsane5371 3 роки тому

    First throw

  • @avoid_nate2803
    @avoid_nate2803 3 роки тому

    Wow

  • @DukeofHesse-he7bu
    @DukeofHesse-he7bu 8 місяців тому

    If you go to 2:49, the runner was tagged by a glove that didn't have a ball in it. ooops.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 6 місяців тому

      Yes, the umpires saw it and put the runner on second base.

  • @25BEDFORD
    @25BEDFORD 3 роки тому

    Prisoners would bring a better game. They are great at, stealing, fighting, lying and arguing, all of which are crucial in being a great baseball player. Guess that's why The Longest Yard was such a good movie.

  • @LandSharks258
    @LandSharks258 Місяць тому

    5:04 that is a balk

  • @Eyefinitus
    @Eyefinitus 2 місяці тому

    I've said it before and I'll say it some more, Rizzo is a baseball magician, with the Cubs anyway.

  • @canadian010
    @canadian010 11 місяців тому

    1:05 was 100% a balk

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 6 місяців тому

      It was not a balk. It was a legal move when this game was played. It would be a balk today.

  • @pastimemedia2310
    @pastimemedia2310 2 роки тому

    🤩

  • @wavygocrazy394
    @wavygocrazy394 3 роки тому +2

    Damnnn

  • @evader7773
    @evader7773 3 роки тому

    At the 2:46 min mark NOT an out. Pitcher tagged the runner with his glove. The Ball was in his other hand unless they changed the rules. .

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 6 місяців тому

      They haven't changed the rule, they put the runner on second base.

    • @evader7773
      @evader7773 6 місяців тому

      @@alanhess9306 ah ok

  • @phnx_shxdow7075
    @phnx_shxdow7075 2 роки тому

    1:08 was a balk

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому

      It is a balk now but was a legal move when the game was played.

  • @erichenretty687
    @erichenretty687 3 роки тому +10

    did anyone else notice the guy tagged out as part of a double play, the second baseman kept the ball in his throwing hand and tagged him with an empty glove, is that legit?

    • @shonklemons808
      @shonklemons808 3 роки тому +14

      No, that's why the double play was overturned.

    • @baifiqjfiwidjriqjfiwidj3557
      @baifiqjfiwidjriqjfiwidj3557 3 роки тому +2

      It was overturned

    • @lamosos
      @lamosos 3 роки тому

      Can someone explain why he did it?

    • @halflanding1900
      @halflanding1900 3 роки тому

      @@lamosos He feels in a hurry to throw to first base, and so he instinctively kept the ball in his throwing hand.

    • @lamosos
      @lamosos 3 роки тому

      @@halflanding1900 Are you saying he did it unintentionally? This has to be the dumbest error ever.

  • @owenward7355
    @owenward7355 3 роки тому +2

    I swear Jay hay is the best player of all time

  • @ghostlight215
    @ghostlight215 3 роки тому +1

    You know it's a good fake when they fake out the camera

  • @tommeryweather3870
    @tommeryweather3870 3 роки тому +3

    Hi

  • @claudiavasquez9162
    @claudiavasquez9162 3 роки тому

    Ahhh finAlly somebody messes up xd

  • @LikeWater425
    @LikeWater425 3 роки тому +1

    That play by Mauer. Wow.

  • @beefybroccoli3558
    @beefybroccoli3558 3 роки тому +2

    5:26 Frazier was prolly shitting himself

  • @Aperson-ql7ib
    @Aperson-ql7ib 3 роки тому

    3:20

  • @lobitome
    @lobitome 3 роки тому +3

    Even in 2021, if you are playing against Molina, just stay on the base until there is a base hit or home run. The GOAT will get you nearly every time, even at 38 years old. Even recently from his knees.

  • @skyphantasy2
    @skyphantasy2 3 роки тому +8

    The play at 2:00. If the 2nd baseman touches the runner with an empty glove wouldn't that be interference?

    • @theapologist6717
      @theapologist6717 3 роки тому +4

      Interference is a bit of a judgement call, Florman was definitely pushing it by continuing to apply the tag, and if you're a SS, don't do that, but because Turner was essentially already out, and especially because he didn't even try to get back to first, there was little reason to call interference.

    • @rachitm109
      @rachitm109 2 роки тому

      I'm still lost. Why was Turner already out? He wasn't the one who hit the ball. How does it matter that the batter got caught out. Why is Turner out?

    • @rushore1
      @rushore1 2 роки тому +1

      Not interference, but also not a tag out.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому

      @@rachitm109 He is out on appeal when he did not tag up before advancing on a caught fly ball.

  • @brouser4580
    @brouser4580 3 роки тому +3

    1:07 how is that not a balk he stopped his leg kick!?

    • @zattack_4187
      @zattack_4187 2 роки тому

      I think it is because he stepped toward third then made a legal move to first

    • @brouser4580
      @brouser4580 2 роки тому

      @@zattack_4187 yeah I see that thanks

    • @jimmy8377
      @jimmy8377 2 роки тому

      That's why I hate baseball. I've seen balks called for literally no reason at all. And then this is somehow not a balk.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Рік тому

      @@jimmy8377 Back when this game was played it was a legal move. It would be a balk today.

  • @techlover231
    @techlover231 2 роки тому

    not a double play, 2:46 the runner was touched by an empty glove, with the ball in the other hand.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 6 місяців тому

      Correct, and the umpires ruled the runner safe at second base.

  • @vulturevic
    @vulturevic 3 роки тому +2

    Will someone kindly explain why that is not considered a balk please? 1:03
    Edit: Never mind. I read further in the comments.

    • @drewbarker6033
      @drewbarker6033 3 роки тому

      Vulture Vic because he did not go toward the plate

    • @a1driver982
      @a1driver982 3 роки тому

      My thoughts exactly.

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec Рік тому +1

      @@a1driver982 That clip is from 2000, and at the time was a legal move. The rule was changed before the 2013 season.

  • @AFCompany
    @AFCompany 3 роки тому +2

    I don’t watch baseball much but I thought 5:02 is called a Balk and you can’t fake a pitch?

    • @alexxxxxxxx709
      @alexxxxxxxx709 2 роки тому

      He didn't make a move towards the plate

  • @petersonoliveira8496
    @petersonoliveira8496 3 роки тому +7

    Boa noite FIRST vai amém bom

  • @csabo1725
    @csabo1725 10 місяців тому

    2:38 He can't tag a runner out with an empty glove holding the ball in the other hand. Maybe he was outside the baseline.