I feel like Ultron seeing all of the internet and instantly turning evil is so accurate even if it was a tad bit rushed. I mean lets be honest, it wouldn't take long with the things people upload. I'm sure tiktok alone would've been enough to send him over the edge lol
Dr Strange being predestined to become the Sorcerer Supreme was not ignored. 5 years before she supposedly met him (the timeline on that is a bit wonky) the Ancient One already knew who he was, what he was doing in that moment, and the fact that he was going to take over for her. She gave Bruce the Stone because of it. "He was meant to be the best of us".
@@simonefaedda SPOILERS!!!! NOT EVERYONE HAS SEEN IT YET!!!! Not only that, but why does that matter? What does that have to do with him being predestined to become the Sorcerer Supreme??
@@BigJeremyBeyer nothing, and sorry for the spoiler, but in the video he talks about that thing also, so it is a thing in common in both comics and mcu , besides the various differences
I believe, Dr. Strange in the MCU was also destined to become sorcerer suprime one day. In Avengers Endgame, Ancient One tells Hulk about Dr. Strange's whereabouts and that he was 5 years early to meet him. She also says, he's supposed to be the best of us. So it looks like she always knew Dr. Strange were going to be the best Sorcere Suprime one day.
True, also in the what if it tells that losing Christine in that universe is absolute point because that's the reason of strange becoming sorcerer, that means in the earth 616 he is destined to lose his hands
Personally i woulda preferred they leaned into it, make thanos obsessed with the idea of death more so than in love with the personification of it. Lean into mad titan angle.
Except that his "grounded purpose" is blatantly moronic and nonworking on a number of levels. The comics Thanos had a silly goal, but killing half the universe was a perfectly rational means of achieving that goal.
But thanos has an actual origin in the comics as a deviant who's parent wanted to kill him looking different then he hated everything because his life was unfair and got obsessed with death. There's lots to his origin I can't remember but comic thanos origin is better
T'Challa's origins in the comics wasn't just him needing to challenging his uncle for the throne of king though. Like the MCU, his comic origins was also driven by tragedy because his father - T'Chaka was abruptly killed by Ulysses Klaw (unlike Zemo in the MCU) after refusing to share the Vibranium with him. So because there was no king and T'Challa was too young at the time to rule, his uncle had to rule in his stead until he was old enough.
The human torch used to create vision was not fantastic 4s human torch, it was phineas t horton’s synthetic man, which we can see as an easter egg in the first avenger, essentially an android that catches fire when exposed to oxygen
@@destructor6090 The scenes set at the 1943 Stark Expo that Steve and Bucky visit. You see 'Synthetic Man' wearing a red costume, displayed in a large cylindrical glass case.
I was about to mention that. The Original Human Torch doesn't have anything to do with the Fantastic Four's Human Torch other than the name and similar powers.
There was nothing to indicate Thanos lost his people due to overpopulation, adding that the planet is off it's axis, it's more likely they hit the required population for a celestial to be born, although it hasn't been brought up in the MCU Thanos is part deviant and his goal served their purpose.
@@Earth-Ninja no idea who that is, haven't seen the video, Starlord making a comment about the planet being off it's axis wondering what could have happened seemed like a weird thing to add for Marvel unless they were going to follow up on it later, then eternals came out and it's ending fits what could have also happened to Titan.
13:50 - Just a nitpick here, but android Human Torch was a different character than FF's Torch, and they had no connection to each other in terms of origins or how they got their powers. Though they _did_ fight it out in a late 60's issue of FF.
Wandavision kinda ruins Quicksilver's origin in the MCU because Wanda was always a witch so how did Pietro get his powers? Was it because they're related? I'm not against Wanda always being a witch but i think it would have been better if they actually were lucky on how they got their powers and survived the bomb
i think that quicksilver gained his speed from the mind stone while wanda got her powers amplified even more by the stone and wanda probably like protected him from it killing him subconsciously
pietro was in the uterus 9 months with a witch, sharing his mother belly with her made him more resistant to receive something so strong. also the mind stone presented itself to wanda showing some affection towards her or her witch powers so it wouldnt be crazy if the stone itself decided to boost pietro without killing him just to not make her unhappy
In the original Iron Man origin, his father isn't mentioned -- Tony created the company. As updated in the 70s, he met Rhodey after he created the Iron Man armor. To be specific, he met him after he walked out of the jungle wearing the armor. Rhodey was a chopper pilot, probably a warrant officer, not a senior officer.
For all the initial struggles in the MCU due to rights issues, I do really like what they did with the origin of the Scarlet Witch title. MCU turning "the Scarlet Witch" into a mythical/prophetic title from the darkhold for a chaos magic wielder more powerful than the sorcerer supreme adds to the character's legend/bada*sary, explains her hero name in a really neat way, and also conveniently introduces it in a way that doesn't clash with their having (due to all the rights stuff) not let any of the characters say it in the MCU prior. All the behind the scenes stuff may have hit her origin somewhat compared to the comics, but all things considered I think they did a good job with Scarlet Witch and definitely added to the origin of her name :)
Concerning your comments about the Vision's origins: It was originally published that his android body was the body of WWII superhero the Human Torch. This was the android named Jim Hammond who fought with Captain America and the Sub-Mariner on the WWII team - the Invaders. This Torch had a sidekick named Toro. Your inference about the Vision's origins making the introduction of the Fantastic Four easier led me to believe that you may have your Human Torches confused, though I could be wrong.
Well, in "Multiverse of Madness" it was revealed that MCU doctor Strange also had a sister, who drowned, so we never know, about what he still didn't tell us.
This video makes me wonder how the MCU would have gone had the rights to Spider-Man, Hulk, mutants, and other things not been tied up to FOX, Sony, and whatnot. There seems to be a lot of stuff the MCU writers and producers were handcuffed about.
The comics didn't establish that Tony was adopted until 2013, the same year Iron Man 3 was released. By then, MCU Tony was already firmly established, and given how much of his arc was invested in his relationship with his father by that point, it's pretty obvious they'd never go that way with his character.
6:20 In End Game HULK talks to The Ancient One, and she says, "he is supposed to be the best of us." This is before the Dr. Strange movie. That seems like it is destined to me
Sure Spider-Man No way home DID fix some key issues with the character with a soft reboot spell ... But it is VERY much on the bad side. Taking away the with great power lesson with his inaction costing his uncle's life ... change every last thing about the character to the point it's not the same character. It is on par with taking away Batman's parents getting killed.
In my book a good origin story has one movie. Hell spiderverse only needed one movie to make miles morales origins he didn't meed 3 movies beeing someone else bitch to become what it is today.
@@Casual-Yohoho-Enjoyer oh so rey beeing a palpatine AND a skywalker and danerys becoming a genocide maniac at the end of GOT is good writting right? because beeing objetive is for dummies....
@@motor4X4kombat there is good and bad writing, but there are no objective rules of writing. You can in theory do anything if you're good and creative enough. You may not like it personally but MCU Spider-man is objectively an interesting fresh take on the character of Spider-man and a unique way of telling someone's backstory in general, the closest thing we got to it was the prequel trilogy with Anakin
The point of a comics is that it’s silly and can be silly but when it comes to films it caters a large audience and therefore needs a little realism. What Kevin Fiege has done will be cherished for decades to come
Gonna protest the Ultron one, because his comic origin isn't much different. Pym switches him on and 10 seconds later he's getting zapped and mind wiped so Ultron can go off and upgrade himself and be evil, and all this before the internet.
It is referenced in Endgame that he was always destined to become sorcerer supreme, never expressly stated, but strongly hinted at during the conversation between The Ancient One and Bruce Banner
I don't know if you can't count Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home as an origin story for Spider-Man. The man was literally Spider-Man in all 3 of those movies and 3 others before, and during. It sounded cool when you heard other people say those movies were his origin story, but it doesn't make sense.
You REALLY glossed over how horrible Black Panther was. He was driven completely by hate and didn't care if he got the right guy or not. He was obsessed with killing Bucky not knowing for sure if he was killing the right guy or not. It wasn't until he finally saw Zemo's plan that he decided he better not kill Zemo.
hard disagree with Spider-Man. just because they spent 3 movies before getting to his origin, doesn't automatically mean that's it's "better than the comics". Even the video said that MCU take away a key component of his character. Just because they realised they messed up and course correct on the last minute doesn't make it suddenly "better than the comics". If you want to make a claim like this, you gotta justify it like you did with Cap, Iron Man, Thanos, etc.
Have to agree with you there. I did come out of watching No Way Home with a bit more appreciation of Holland's Spider-Man, but the Spider-Man of Sam Raimi's films always felt a lot more like Spider-Man right from the start, while it had to take bringing in one of Raimi's villains to give the Peter Parker of the MCU the development to feel less like "Iron Boy Jr." and more like the "With great power comes great responsibility" Spider-Man we all know.
First --- Thanos definitely had a more heartfelt/emotional origin story -------------- So far I agree with everything said, especially Captain -------------- Okay, I’ve officially finished the video, my top 3 are: Black Panther, Captain America, and Mandarin 2.0 Thank you CBR, for making a great video that I agree with, and thank you for always having entertaining content for marvel fans whether they know the comics or just watch the movies
The vision vibranium body must be made out of cheap stuff cuz they showing up later shish kabob out of him in Infinity War, or this shows that whatever metal Thanos and his Cruise was using was Superior to vibranium
Actually the ancient one mentioned to hulk in endgame that doctor strange was supposed to be sorcerer supreme years before he even lost his hands or even knew about comertage point is the mcu Been setting that up
6:40 In Multiverse of Madness, the scene where Strange meets his darker self, he says a short story of how they lost their sister when they were young.
Well at least we sorta got that Dr. Strange was destined to become Sorcerer Supreme in Endgame. The ancient one mentions it to Hulk when he went back in time. And we get a hint of his sister's loss in Multiverse of Madness when he talks to the other Dr. Strange.
hela is acually lokis daughter in nose mithology, her name was just hel as well he also had a house son and a giant serpant. that eventually destroyed asgard,
I gotta say that I absolutely loved Trevor’s costume design as the mandarin and didn’t mind the actor element but would have loved if they just made him the proper mandarin and the main villain of Ironman 3
The thing i hate the most in the MCU. Hank and Janet were in the end the real "first avengers" and for a very long time they were always the core avengers while all others changed a lot. At least thats how i remember what i read like 45 years ago. Also of course Hank created Ultron, and i could live with the first avengers movie without him, but then Age of Ultron without Hank ? I really hated it.
I don't really get why people say that Spider-man's origin story is his uncle Ben dying or NWH. No. His origin story is him being bitten by the radioactive spider and having the spiderpowers. Everything that comes after are his JOURNEY AS SPIDER-MAN. So the MCU Spider-man just explored that journey more and changed some of them to fit in the current MCU. Spider-Tom had a different mentor, had different experiences, different failures, different struggles and different triumphs. He was SPIDER-MAN IN ALL OF THOSE JUST AS TOBEY MAGUIRE AND ANDREW GARFIELD ARE SPIDER-MAN THE MOMENT THEY GOT THEIR POWERS. They just have different paths since the MCU is a much bigger universe than Sony was prepared to give Tobey and Andrew.
I get what you’re saying, but for some, an origin story would include everything that led up to that person becoming a superhero and not just getting their powers. Like yeah, Peter was bit by the spider and got powers, but he didn’t become spiderman right after that. It was a combination of his powers, uncle Ben dying, and choices he made that lead him to being spider man.
@@firemen23attack I get that and understand it completely. What I don't get are people who complain **too much** about Marvel's choices in their MCU Spider-man and treating Tom's spidey as 'not a real spider-man' in Homecoming just because his 'origin' wasn't the same as Tobey's or Andrew's when Tom's literally just showed his worthiness of the title the moment he still went after the bad guys even without a proper suit. Some even keep on saying "He's finally Spider-man" after NWH which is just shallow thinking and understanding of Spider-Man as a character too. Btw, I hope my reply doesn't sound aggressive. I don't sound aggressive when I imagined saying these. 😅
@@JemsAndSuch Haha no it didn’t sound aggressive at all, tbh I agree with you here I never understood that either. We’ve had Spider-Man’s origin story on the big screen twice already and everyone already knows it at this point. So showing him already being spiderman, just not very good at first and getting better and better throughout was a good choice.
I disagree, I see his origin as the build up of actually being a hero and in the comics they show this because originally Peter was a nerdy jerk in the comics and we see him go from using his powers for money to him wanting to actually help people. In my opinion the MCU origin for Spider-Man is a variation of the comic origin and it isn’t as good compared to some other comic origins that were written for Peter.
I don't really feel like the mantis is ugly thing was doubling down. I think it was calling back to a joke as a means to give mantis the push to turn on ego. Drax repeated it only to reveal that there is some actual emotional depth rather than just insults.
I like the comics origins better all the way through.Although since they are always messing with them usually not improving them so it becomes which specific origin do you recognize. I mean David Michline & Bob Layton Roadie's creators had him help Tony get out of the war zone after he left Wong Chu's camp.
Yeah but we kind of picked that up from everything and everyone else in Dr. Strangle. It's called secondary storytelling. When the choice of characters, setting, and time tell more of story than the dialogue and action.
fun fact : the mandarin is a mongolian character not chinese the 10 rings behind him is originaly ancient mongolian language those where ancient mongolian parts(in the chang chi movie and the comiks but they removed it in shang chi)
I tapped out after Scarlet Witch, your "argument" for her origin being bad was just so weak and doesn't take into account anything else said about her in the MCU meaning the "tweak" in WandaVision isn't a retcon at all
Are we going to more MCU origin stories like these in the future for characters who are soon to make their MCU debut? Which one of these MCU origin stories do you think is the best?
saying the MCU origins are better is a matter of opinion... some of those "better" origins are actually a lot worse (like iron man having biological shield agents as parents is a lot more interesting that having the modern-day stereotypical rich parents every single "hero" has these days)
I just dont get the web shooters... and the choice to incorporate web swinging instead of a grapple or wall run, or drive, or build a jet? Tobey maguire version makes sense. He is literally Spider Man. Any other version is a superhuman who chooses to be a spider man, that then goes through the trouble to create and maintain web shooters, it's kind of insane.
@@lordquasvinyl you lack comprehension skills. I said the web shooters dont make sense. Tobey makes sense. Natural web, literally like a spider, so naturally call yourself spider man. You are a man spider. But why would a superhuman want to build web shooters for? To act like a spider? That's insane. See how I wrote my comment again? Bet you still dont comprehend
@@Xhaka_-8 sure, but it doesn't make sense. Why would Peter Parker make web shooters? He already has superhuman powers. Like why tell everyone that a spider made you, isnt that contrary to hiding your identity also?
Movie Thanos : i will erase half universe so it may remain peace Comic Thanos : i just want by girlfriend to give me attention so I erased half universe
Imagine your favorite anime without a backstory not origin or explanation. that's what marvel does, they took away Thanos origin they took away female thors and other they took away namors origin and changed it etc...
My biggest problem with Hulk in the MCU is that Hulk’s mind and emotion are represented as worthless when Professor Hulk is made, giving Bruce some sort of arc, but Hulk almost none except in Ragnarok (and in Infinity War except that him getting such a small amount action wasn’t exactly fun or exciting to watch)
I miss the Incredible, 2012, and AoU Hulk.. He was so terrifying back then and actually acted like a Hulk instead of a child lol Pure brute strength instead of whining
@@JohnDoe-iw6qc I did that's why- wait, are you talking about the canon Incredible Hulk or the 2003 one? I haven't rewatch the 2003 one so I forgot most of it but I still remember that unique comic panel effects lol it makes you dizzy but that's creative on their part
Actually Tony was adopted in MCU too, the day he met his father in the past, Howard mentioned he was going to become father that day, and Tony was shocked cause it wasn't his Birthday.
You know what looking at this comment now after RDJ has been returning to MCU as Dr Doom is kinda crazy, cause there is a possibility that RDJ's stark was actually victor von doom whom maria and howard adopted and maybe that's why he is returning as doctor doom because that's what he always was
@@madsixvines4839 yeah i think the real tony stark is if the rumours are true is tom cruise's ironman and rdj was victor who howard and maria adopted after the miscarriage and in one timeline this miscarraige never happened and tom cruise tony stark was born, and rdj victor becomes Dr Doom. EDIT: i think mcu is doing this thing of the characters who originally were meant for the role but didn't get casted so they are giving them those roles in this way, channing tatum gambit being that one i think and rdj auditioned for doom before ironman and cruise was meant to play ironman.
The Eternals movie changed a lot about the comic versions personalities with some.ofnthr characters, ESPECIALLY Ikaris. In the comics, no Eternal loved humanity more than Ikaris, who lived, laughed, and loved amongst the humans for thousands of years, only followed closely by Gilgamesh. They flipped him on his head in the film
6:58 I Feel You I Feel Like The Hulk Didn’t Get Anything In His Entire MCU “Arc” Even Freakin Hawkeye Had More Screen Time And A TV Show FrEaKiN HaWkEyE?!
I'm sorry, but in "the legends" Icarus WAS the son who flew too close to the sun. His father was Daedalus. Just so you know. You could have done a little bit of research though.
MCU clint was a hitman for shield, and met his wife during his time as shields personal assassin, in the comics hawkeye and his brother was chased by their abusive father till they ended up in the circus where clint left as his mentor ended up being a criminal and turning his brother into a criminal as well, MCU hank behave better than the comics hank as in the comics hank beat janet due to his bipolar disorder leading to them getting a divorce, but hank never moved on from his first wife in the comics
Tom’s Spider-Man is the best because the other two choose to do bad things before uncle Ben or after but Tom didn’t have to lose his uncle to become good he choose to become Spider-Man and help the little people who need protection
I think an honorable mention for "comics did it better" is Carol Danvers, considering she was Miss Marvel before she was Captain Marvel, and in the comics she was part-Kree. The test pilot origin was poorly written.
Am i the only one thinking that the comic origin of Captain America is better cause it makes more sense? like they spent a ton of money to develop the serum why the fuck would you sideline a super soldier made by that serum? I think what they did in the MCU is just to add drama.
I like Black Panther’s comic origin a lot more. Same goes with Thanos. I do like the comic origins a lot more. For Black Panther losing his father to his future arch enemy Klaw was the start of a hero vs villain theme.
About the Hulk one. The Ang Lee movie did the whole father origin, and that's, prolly, why they didn't gave him, almost, no origin in the 2008 movie. Yes, it ain't canon, but we can still, kinda, use it as a canon one. That's my opinion. If ya don't agree, ya prolly are right, but does that mean that I'm wrong? One love ❤️
MCU hulk is frustrating, they started great with Edward Norton, his version was more darker and I loved it, it felt like the comic, I like mark ruffalo hulk, he has some great and awesome moments, but he’s used too much as comic relief. I want to see the dark and twisted story of the hulk, we almost had it in Hulk 2003, I love that movie, yes it has lots of flaws but it’s the closest to the comics.
Unable to use the word "mutant", I think Wanda and Pietro should have been referred to as "marvels". Doctor Strange's origin in the film was his original origin. The android Human Torch had nothing to do with the Fantastic Four. CBR should get an actual Marvel Comics reader to vet the scripts for MCU videos.
A few points to make, on ultron's origin, remember It is an AI, so It process like a computer, waaaaaaaaay faster than us. Ultron could watch the entre human history in about seconds, minutes. Vision's origin in cómics had to do with human torch android. They couldn't use fantastic four because they didn't owned the rights. Same with mutans. Fox had the rights of both of them. Everything else i do agree xD
I can imagine if Joss Whedon was on board directing Infinity War, he would've given Thanos his comic accurate story which wouldn't be as great as what the Russo's did.
@@ultramanCL I know and I’m so happy about it (minus Hulk tho, they did him dirty..) I was talking about how Joss would’ve ruin Infinity War like he ruined Justice League
@@TitanTankerGaming Hulk wasn't ruined. The plot demanded a character to reverse snap, and needed a stable minded individual to do it. Hulk was the only one who could've done that as his body could only absorb most of the radiation of the infinity gems. But, I know they could've added a rematch of him vs Thanos where hulk would be enraged due to Natasha's death and would beat Thanos. But with his hand damaged, he couldn't have lasted longer in the fight. So they prevented bringing Hulk and Thanos face to face. Talking about the future, the future of Hulk looks very bright as Marvel Studios are planning a World War Hulk Storyline. That would be a redemption for the great character of The Incredible Hulk! Now about the DCEU drama, Joss surely added bad things to the movie but Warner Bros ordered him to make it like light hearted as Avengers and they wanted the Marvel-fication of DCEU. I blame Warner Bros more than Joss for that.
Speaking just for me, I much preferred the comic book origins of Ultron and Vision to the MCU. Comic book Ultron was genuinely scary - virtually indestructible, gleefully malevolent, and with a deeply rooted "Oedipus Complex" to boot.
Since they have a Noir Spider-Man. They need to have an ancient Iron Man. lol He is called Iron Knight. That is what Tony's prototype Iron Man suit looks like. The one he built in the cave.
“He comes online and becomes a bad guy after 2 seconds on the internet and that feels a little rushed” Have you seen the stuff on the internet? Theres some scary stuff out there. And the amount of info the sentient ai was taking in at once mightve been to much.
Imagine Terrance Howard as War Machine! Lolol I love Terrance, but our new Rodey just fits perfectly and I can't imagine no one else. Quick question: why did they change Terrence anyway? Is it because he was busy with Empire?
There have been a lot of rumors as to why they changed actors, but no official reason that I have been able to find. The most reliable rumors are that Terrance would not agree to the salary that was offered and that he and RDJ had personality conflicts and did not get along.
The Human Torch that Ultron in the comics uses for Vision is the android Torch who fought Namor during WW2 and not the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four.
Umm the original Human Torch only shares a name with Johnny Storm Human Torch. The OG Torch went by the name Jim Hammond and was deactivated shortly after WWII He was part of the Invaders with his sidekick Toro, Namor and Captain America. That's a lot of backstory to cram into an already long movie
This is probably because I haven't read any of his comic arcs but I absolutely loved Ultron's MCU arc! Then again, I also enjoyed Thor the dark world...
@@revoltpuppy I think one of the main reasons I loved AoU so much was because we got to see both the creation and the end of a villain who's intentions were initially good. Ultron was such an interesting villain because of his innocence. He truly thought that by destroying humans, he was preventing humans from going to war with each other. He was correct in a literal sense but was incapable of looking at the situation from an emotional and non literal perspective. It was all kind of sad
I personally prefer the comic version of Peter's origin as spiderman. A kid who gets power and uses them for his own personal gain until his selfishness gets someone he loved killed and him learning from uncle Ben "with great power comes great responsibility". I'm not against him getting powers and instantly deciding to use them for good with out anything really tragic setting him for the path of good but i don't like that he gets the "with great power comes great responsibility" after being a hero so long. By now he already knows this lesson from all the other movies he's been in the mcu. Just because i don't like his origins here doesn't mean i dislike him or the movies
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Origin story of Ralph Bohner 😎😎
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Star lord. He changed a lot
Winter soldier
You're video is a dud, if that helps.
I feel like Ultron seeing all of the internet and instantly turning evil is so accurate even if it was a tad bit rushed. I mean lets be honest, it wouldn't take long with the things people upload. I'm sure tiktok alone would've been enough to send him over the edge lol
Some TikToks are blasphemous to say the least 🤣
True humand throught history have been horrible and it makes sense for him to see that humans should not exist
Ultron:*sees cringey tik tok dances*
Ultron: This Is Why you should all die. I will make peace.
I think it took far longer than it should have for a mind stone powered ai to figure out.
Out of all many things, u thought of TikTok that don't even exist that time what about dark web
Dr Strange being predestined to become the Sorcerer Supreme was not ignored.
5 years before she supposedly met him (the timeline on that is a bit wonky) the Ancient One already knew who he was, what he was doing in that moment, and the fact that he was going to take over for her.
She gave Bruce the Stone because of it.
"He was meant to be the best of us".
And also in M.o.m. he talks about the sister
@@simonefaedda SPOILERS!!!!
NOT EVERYONE HAS SEEN IT YET!!!!
Not only that, but why does that matter?
What does that have to do with him being predestined to become the Sorcerer Supreme??
@@BigJeremyBeyer nothing, and sorry for the spoiler, but in the video he talks about that thing also, so it is a thing in common in both comics and mcu , besides the various differences
@@BigJeremyBeyer shut up child. I can feel my neurons breaking as I type.
I believe, Dr. Strange in the MCU was also destined to become sorcerer suprime one day.
In Avengers Endgame, Ancient One tells Hulk about Dr. Strange's whereabouts and that he was 5 years early to meet him. She also says, he's supposed to be the best of us. So it looks like she always knew Dr. Strange were going to be the best Sorcere Suprime one day.
He is a little confused but he got the spirit
Arcing story told over movies instead a movie
*Supreme
True, also in the what if it tells that losing Christine in that universe is absolute point because that's the reason of strange becoming sorcerer, that means in the earth 616 he is destined to lose his hands
Strange was sorcerer supreme, Wong filled his place while he was "dead"
The MCU Thanos is a Thanos with a more grounded purpose, not just some random purple deviant with a wrinkly chin who loves mistress death.
Personally i woulda preferred they leaned into it, make thanos obsessed with the idea of death more so than in love with the personification of it. Lean into mad titan angle.
Except that his "grounded purpose" is blatantly moronic and nonworking on a number of levels. The comics Thanos had a silly goal, but killing half the universe was a perfectly rational means of achieving that goal.
However the Thanos in the MCU looks dumb with this idea because of how it would've made it worse. The entire ecosystem would've been destroyed.
But thanos has an actual origin in the comics as a deviant who's parent wanted to kill him looking different then he hated everything because his life was unfair and got obsessed with death.
There's lots to his origin I can't remember but comic thanos origin is better
@@madisonlink7141 they're both stupid angles, are you serious? Considering Death isn't even in the MCU and she would be lame anyways.
T'Challa's origins in the comics wasn't just him needing to challenging his uncle for the throne of king though.
Like the MCU, his comic origins was also driven by tragedy because his father - T'Chaka was abruptly killed by Ulysses Klaw (unlike Zemo in the MCU) after refusing to share the Vibranium with him. So because there was no king and T'Challa was too young at the time to rule, his uncle had to rule in his stead until he was old enough.
The human torch used to create vision was not fantastic 4s human torch, it was phineas t horton’s synthetic man, which we can see as an easter egg in the first avenger, essentially an android that catches fire when exposed to oxygen
Wait where was it as an Easter egg in the first Avenger?
@@destructor6090 The scenes set at the 1943 Stark Expo that Steve and Bucky visit.
You see 'Synthetic Man' wearing a red costume, displayed in a large cylindrical glass case.
I was about to mention that. The Original Human Torch doesn't have anything to do with the Fantastic Four's Human Torch other than the name and similar powers.
Ultron turning evil after two seconds on the internet is actually the perfect origin for today's world.
There was nothing to indicate Thanos lost his people due to overpopulation, adding that the planet is off it's axis, it's more likely they hit the required population for a celestial to be born, although it hasn't been brought up in the MCU Thanos is part deviant and his goal served their purpose.
that wouldve completely destroyed the planet
@@dustinhawley1896 unless the titans stopped their emergence and was then judged by Arashim and destroyed
That’s basically the matpat video. I can’t blame you though, it’s a good theory.
@@Earth-Ninja no idea who that is, haven't seen the video, Starlord making a comment about the planet being off it's axis wondering what could have happened seemed like a weird thing to add for Marvel unless they were going to follow up on it later, then eternals came out and it's ending fits what could have also happened to Titan.
@@silcrowprima7827 there are more celestials than just Arishem
6:22 The Ancient One literally talks about how he was destined to be the greatest Sorcerer Supreme in Endgame
13:50 - Just a nitpick here, but android Human Torch was a different character than FF's Torch, and they had no connection to each other in terms of origins or how they got their powers. Though they _did_ fight it out in a late 60's issue of FF.
Wandavision kinda ruins Quicksilver's origin in the MCU because Wanda was always a witch so how did Pietro get his powers? Was it because they're related? I'm not against Wanda always being a witch but i think it would have been better if they actually were lucky on how they got their powers and survived the bomb
i think that quicksilver gained his speed from the mind stone while wanda got her powers amplified even more by the stone and wanda probably like protected him from it killing him subconsciously
pietro was in the uterus 9 months with a witch, sharing his mother belly with her made him more resistant to receive something so strong. also the mind stone presented itself to wanda showing some affection towards her or her witch powers so it wouldnt be crazy if the stone itself decided to boost pietro without killing him just to not make her unhappy
Lucky coincidences make for kind of boring origin stories, in my opinion.
In the original Iron Man origin, his father isn't mentioned -- Tony created the company. As updated in the 70s, he met Rhodey after he created the Iron Man armor. To be specific, he met him after he walked out of the jungle wearing the armor. Rhodey was a chopper pilot, probably a warrant officer, not a senior officer.
For all the initial struggles in the MCU due to rights issues, I do really like what they did with the origin of the Scarlet Witch title. MCU turning "the Scarlet Witch" into a mythical/prophetic title from the darkhold for a chaos magic wielder more powerful than the sorcerer supreme adds to the character's legend/bada*sary, explains her hero name in a really neat way, and also conveniently introduces it in a way that doesn't clash with their having (due to all the rights stuff) not let any of the characters say it in the MCU prior.
All the behind the scenes stuff may have hit her origin somewhat compared to the comics, but all things considered I think they did a good job with Scarlet Witch and definitely added to the origin of her name :)
Wandavision gave her the boost she deserved.
Hela being Thor and Loki's sibling is a weird decision.
She's only Thor and Loki's half sister with a different mother.
Well, in Norse mythology, Hela is Loki's daughter, and Loki is Odin's brother, if I'm not wrong
Concerning your comments about the Vision's origins:
It was originally published that his android body was the body of WWII superhero the Human Torch. This was the android named Jim Hammond who fought with Captain America and the Sub-Mariner on the WWII team - the Invaders. This Torch had a sidekick named Toro.
Your inference about the Vision's origins making the introduction of the Fantastic Four easier led me to believe that you may have your Human Torches confused, though I could be wrong.
Loki is Hela's father in Norse mythology too, but then again, Loki was also the MOTHER of Odin's eight-legged flying horse in Norse mythology.
And the giant wolf Fenris/Fenris that Hela has in Ragnarok
Well, in "Multiverse of Madness" it was revealed that MCU doctor Strange also had a sister, who drowned, so we never know, about what he still didn't tell us.
This video makes me wonder how the MCU would have gone had the rights to Spider-Man, Hulk, mutants, and other things not been tied up to FOX, Sony, and whatnot.
There seems to be a lot of stuff the MCU writers and producers were handcuffed about.
The comics didn't establish that Tony was adopted until 2013, the same year Iron Man 3 was released. By then, MCU Tony was already firmly established, and given how much of his arc was invested in his relationship with his father by that point, it's pretty obvious they'd never go that way with his character.
having tony stark be adopted makes no sense regardless
For ultron, I have to say, who wouldn't want to destroy humanity after 2 seconds on the internet
We know mcu strange lost his sister too bc of multiverse of madness, it’s very likely those other things happened too we just haven’t heard uet
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In End Game
HULK talks to The Ancient One, and she says, "he is supposed to be the best of us."
This is before the Dr. Strange movie.
That seems like it is destined to me
Sure Spider-Man No way home DID fix some key issues with the character with a soft reboot spell ... But it is VERY much on the bad side. Taking away the with great power lesson with his inaction costing his uncle's life ... change every last thing about the character to the point it's not the same character. It is on par with taking away Batman's parents getting killed.
The mcu spiderman trilogy now feels like a really long origin story
Yaa
In my book a good origin story has one movie. Hell spiderverse only needed one movie to make miles morales origins he didn't meed 3 movies beeing someone else bitch to become what it is today.
@@motor4X4kombat In my book there's no objective rules to writing
@@Casual-Yohoho-Enjoyer oh so rey beeing a palpatine AND a skywalker and danerys becoming a genocide maniac at the end of GOT is good writting right? because beeing objetive is for dummies....
@@motor4X4kombat there is good and bad writing, but there are no objective rules of writing. You can in theory do anything if you're good and creative enough.
You may not like it personally but MCU Spider-man is objectively an interesting fresh take on the character of Spider-man and a unique way of telling someone's backstory in general, the closest thing we got to it was the prequel trilogy with Anakin
I think Bruce Banner’s trauma is criminally overlooked. If it were possible, I’d pay anything for a well made movie on him
The point of a comics is that it’s silly and can be silly but when it comes to films it caters a large audience and therefore needs a little realism.
What Kevin Fiege has done will be cherished for decades to come
Gonna protest the Ultron one, because his comic origin isn't much different. Pym switches him on and 10 seconds later he's getting zapped and mind wiped so Ultron can go off and upgrade himself and be evil, and all this before the internet.
It is referenced in Endgame that he was always destined to become sorcerer supreme, never expressly stated, but strongly hinted at during the conversation between The Ancient One and Bruce Banner
I don't know if you can't count Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home as an origin story for Spider-Man. The man was literally Spider-Man in all 3 of those movies and 3 others before, and during. It sounded cool when you heard other people say those movies were his origin story, but it doesn't make sense.
You REALLY glossed over how horrible Black Panther was. He was driven completely by hate and didn't care if he got the right guy or not. He was obsessed with killing Bucky not knowing for sure if he was killing the right guy or not. It wasn't until he finally saw Zemo's plan that he decided he better not kill Zemo.
hard disagree with Spider-Man. just because they spent 3 movies before getting to his origin, doesn't automatically mean that's it's "better than the comics". Even the video said that MCU take away a key component of his character. Just because they realised they messed up and course correct on the last minute doesn't make it suddenly "better than the comics". If you want to make a claim like this, you gotta justify it like you did with Cap, Iron Man, Thanos, etc.
Have to agree with you there. I did come out of watching No Way Home with a bit more appreciation of Holland's Spider-Man, but the Spider-Man of Sam Raimi's films always felt a lot more like Spider-Man right from the start, while it had to take bringing in one of Raimi's villains to give the Peter Parker of the MCU the development to feel less like "Iron Boy Jr." and more like the "With great power comes great responsibility" Spider-Man we all know.
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Okay, I’ve officially finished the video, my top 3 are: Black Panther, Captain America, and Mandarin 2.0
Thank you CBR, for making a great video that I agree with, and thank you for always having entertaining content for marvel fans whether they know the comics or just watch the movies
The vision vibranium body must be made out of cheap stuff cuz they showing up later shish kabob out of him in Infinity War, or this shows that whatever metal Thanos and his Cruise was using was Superior to vibranium
Actually the ancient one mentioned to hulk in endgame that doctor strange was supposed to be sorcerer supreme years before he even lost his hands or even knew about comertage point is the mcu Been setting that up
6:40 In Multiverse of Madness, the scene where Strange meets his darker self, he says a short story of how they lost their sister when they were young.
Well at least we sorta got that Dr. Strange was destined to become Sorcerer Supreme in Endgame. The ancient one mentions it to Hulk when he went back in time. And we get a hint of his sister's loss in Multiverse of Madness when he talks to the other Dr. Strange.
hela is acually lokis daughter in nose mithology, her name was just hel as well he also had a house son and a giant serpant. that eventually destroyed asgard,
I gotta say that I absolutely loved Trevor’s costume design as the mandarin and didn’t mind the actor element but would have loved if they just made him the proper mandarin and the main villain of Ironman 3
If that happened, we never would’ve gotten the Shang Chi version of the Mandarin and it’s elements. Which is way cooler
Pym is one of the most interesting and impactful characters in Marvel history and its a shame they didnt *really* include him
The thing i hate the most in the MCU. Hank and Janet were in the end the real "first avengers" and for a very long time they were always the core avengers while all others changed a lot. At least thats how i remember what i read like 45 years ago.
Also of course Hank created Ultron, and i could live with the first avengers movie without him, but then Age of Ultron without Hank ? I really hated it.
I don't really get why people say that Spider-man's origin story is his uncle Ben dying or NWH. No. His origin story is him being bitten by the radioactive spider and having the spiderpowers.
Everything that comes after are his JOURNEY AS SPIDER-MAN. So the MCU Spider-man just explored that journey more and changed some of them to fit in the current MCU. Spider-Tom had a different mentor, had different experiences, different failures, different struggles and different triumphs.
He was SPIDER-MAN IN ALL OF THOSE JUST AS TOBEY MAGUIRE AND ANDREW GARFIELD ARE SPIDER-MAN THE MOMENT THEY GOT THEIR POWERS.
They just have different paths since the MCU is a much bigger universe than Sony was prepared to give Tobey and Andrew.
I get what you’re saying, but for some, an origin story would include everything that led up to that person becoming a superhero and not just getting their powers. Like yeah, Peter was bit by the spider and got powers, but he didn’t become spiderman right after that. It was a combination of his powers, uncle Ben dying, and choices he made that lead him to being spider man.
@@firemen23attack I get that and understand it completely. What I don't get are people who complain **too much** about Marvel's choices in their MCU Spider-man and treating Tom's spidey as 'not a real spider-man' in Homecoming just because his 'origin' wasn't the same as Tobey's or Andrew's when Tom's literally just showed his worthiness of the title the moment he still went after the bad guys even without a proper suit.
Some even keep on saying "He's finally Spider-man" after NWH which is just shallow thinking and understanding of Spider-Man as a character too.
Btw, I hope my reply doesn't sound aggressive. I don't sound aggressive when I imagined saying these. 😅
@@JemsAndSuch Haha no it didn’t sound aggressive at all, tbh I agree with you here I never understood that either. We’ve had Spider-Man’s origin story on the big screen twice already and everyone already knows it at this point. So showing him already being spiderman, just not very good at first and getting better and better throughout was a good choice.
I disagree, I see his origin as the build up of actually being a hero and in the comics they show this because originally Peter was a nerdy jerk in the comics and we see him go from using his powers for money to him wanting to actually help people. In my opinion the MCU origin for Spider-Man is a variation of the comic origin and it isn’t as good compared to some other comic origins that were written for Peter.
@@lostintoonami alright. i still stand by my opinion though. :D
I don't really feel like the mantis is ugly thing was doubling down. I think it was calling back to a joke as a means to give mantis the push to turn on ego. Drax repeated it only to reveal that there is some actual emotional depth rather than just insults.
I like the comics origins better all the way through.Although since they are always messing with them usually not improving them so it becomes which specific origin do you recognize. I mean David Michline & Bob Layton Roadie's creators had him help Tony get out of the war zone after he left Wong Chu's camp.
8:20 I don’t blame Ultron, been online for a few seconds and immediately wanted life on earth to perish.
Yeah but we kind of picked that up from everything and everyone else in Dr. Strangle. It's called secondary storytelling. When the choice of characters, setting, and time tell more of story than the dialogue and action.
fun fact : the mandarin is a mongolian character not chinese the 10 rings behind him is originaly ancient mongolian language those where ancient mongolian parts(in the chang chi movie and the comiks but they removed it in shang chi)
I tapped out after Scarlet Witch, your "argument" for her origin being bad was just so weak and doesn't take into account anything else said about her in the MCU meaning the "tweak" in WandaVision isn't a retcon at all
Are we going to more MCU origin stories like these in the future for characters who are soon to make their MCU debut? Which one of these MCU origin stories do you think is the best?
Is no one gonna mention how they mixed up Don Cheadle and Terrance Howard?
It's not the same Human Torch. The android Human Torch name is Jim Hammond and is still a Android. Fantastic Four Human Torch is Johnny Storm.
saying the MCU origins are better is a matter of opinion... some of those "better" origins are actually a lot worse (like iron man having biological shield agents as parents is a lot more interesting that having the modern-day stereotypical rich parents every single "hero" has these days)
Well depending on what Ultron saw on the internet it would make sense if he saw 2 seconds of it and decided humanity had to go
Lets be honest...
Wintersolider IS Icarus(Dunno his name)
They look more similar than siblings!
In doctor strange they basically say he was distant to become the sorcerer supreme
Yeah. Distanty is all around us. Or is it Dest.....
Spider-Man's comic Origin always will be one of the best and most iconic character origins of all time.
I just dont get the web shooters... and the choice to incorporate web swinging instead of a grapple or wall run, or drive, or build a jet? Tobey maguire version makes sense. He is literally Spider Man. Any other version is a superhuman who chooses to be a spider man, that then goes through the trouble to create and maintain web shooters, it's kind of insane.
@@JoseMolina-jz9hh You buggin. Organic Web Shooter is not one of peter's original power lol. It means, tobey's spiderman doesnt make any sense.
@@lordquasvinyl you lack comprehension skills. I said the web shooters dont make sense. Tobey makes sense. Natural web, literally like a spider, so naturally call yourself spider man. You are a man spider. But why would a superhuman want to build web shooters for? To act like a spider? That's insane.
See how I wrote my comment again?
Bet you still dont comprehend
@@JoseMolina-jz9hh the main reason they did it because Stan lee made the Spider-Man with web shooters not web coming out his hand
@@Xhaka_-8 sure, but it doesn't make sense. Why would Peter Parker make web shooters? He already has superhuman powers. Like why tell everyone that a spider made you, isnt that contrary to hiding your identity also?
Hela's backstory in the comics was also more faithful to Norse Mythology.
It was closer to Norse mythology, but the comics treatment of Asgardians wasn't particularly faithful anyway.
Well now they introduced that Doctor Strange did actually have a dead sister, he just kept it a secret😢
Movie Thanos : i will erase half universe so it may remain peace
Comic Thanos : i just want by girlfriend to give me attention so I erased half universe
Imagine your favorite anime without a backstory not origin or explanation. that's what marvel does, they took away Thanos origin they took away female thors and other they took away namors origin and changed it etc...
My biggest problem with Hulk in the MCU is that Hulk’s mind and emotion are represented as worthless when Professor Hulk is made, giving Bruce some sort of arc, but Hulk almost none except in Ragnarok (and in Infinity War except that him getting such a small amount action wasn’t exactly fun or exciting to watch)
I miss the Incredible, 2012, and AoU Hulk..
He was so terrifying back then and actually acted like a Hulk instead of a child lol
Pure brute strength instead of whining
@@TitanTankerGaming Not Avengers Hulk?
@@JohnDoe-iw6qc by 2012 I meant Avengers Hulk
@@TitanTankerGaming Did you watch the first Hulk film?
@@JohnDoe-iw6qc I did that's why- wait, are you talking about the canon Incredible Hulk or the 2003 one?
I haven't rewatch the 2003 one so I forgot most of it but I still remember that unique comic panel effects lol it makes you dizzy but that's creative on their part
imagine they included the part where loki gave birth to a horse or something
Lets see if Disney screw up Fantastic 4 and X-men origins too
Actually Tony was adopted in MCU too, the day he met his father in the past, Howard mentioned he was going to become father that day, and Tony was shocked cause it wasn't his Birthday.
You know what looking at this comment now after RDJ has been returning to MCU as Dr Doom is kinda crazy, cause there is a possibility that RDJ's stark was actually victor von doom whom maria and howard adopted and maybe that's why he is returning as doctor doom because that's what he always was
@@Maab_835 yeah, it's a what if, What if Tony Stark never got adopted?
@@madsixvines4839 yeah i think the real tony stark is if the rumours are true is tom cruise's ironman and rdj was victor who howard and maria adopted after the miscarriage and in one timeline this miscarraige never happened and tom cruise tony stark was born, and rdj victor becomes Dr Doom.
EDIT: i think mcu is doing this thing of the characters who originally were meant for the role but didn't get casted so they are giving them those roles in this way, channing tatum gambit being that one i think and rdj auditioned for doom before ironman and cruise was meant to play ironman.
Now that Doctor Strange 2 is out, we know that he did lose his sister in a similar way.
The Eternals movie changed a lot about the comic versions personalities with some.ofnthr characters, ESPECIALLY Ikaris. In the comics, no Eternal loved humanity more than Ikaris, who lived, laughed, and loved amongst the humans for thousands of years, only followed closely by Gilgamesh. They flipped him on his head in the film
6:58 I Feel You I Feel Like The Hulk Didn’t Get Anything In His Entire MCU “Arc” Even Freakin Hawkeye Had More Screen Time And A TV Show FrEaKiN HaWkEyE?!
I believe the Hulk story we need is coming.
@@saturncrush I Hope So
with thor you forgot the whole DONALD BLAKE. That's so important you can't just leave it out
I'm sorry, but in "the legends" Icarus WAS the son who flew too close to the sun. His father was Daedalus. Just so you know. You could have done a little bit of research though.
MCU clint was a hitman for shield, and met his wife during his time as shields personal assassin, in the comics hawkeye and his brother was chased by their abusive father till they ended up in the circus where clint left as his mentor ended up being a criminal and turning his brother into a criminal as well, MCU hank behave better than the comics hank as in the comics hank beat janet due to his bipolar disorder leading to them getting a divorce, but hank never moved on from his first wife in the comics
None of the MCU origins/backstories are better than the comics, some are simpler and eaiser for audiences to follow.
Tom’s Spider-Man is the best because the other two choose to do bad things before uncle Ben or after but Tom didn’t have to lose his uncle to become good he choose to become Spider-Man and help the little people who need protection
Nah. The Sam Raimi film is a way better origin. And it has Macho Man Randy Savage in it.
@@NeoNineOne true but it’s just my opinion
@@gg_toxicsr0444 the cream always rises to the top. Lol just kidding. Fair point.
@@NeoNineOne yeah but they are all good Spider-Man
The actual mandarin in Iron man 3 was the blond guy with the fire breathing powers
I think an honorable mention for "comics did it better" is Carol Danvers, considering she was Miss Marvel before she was Captain Marvel, and in the comics she was part-Kree. The test pilot origin was poorly written.
Am i the only one thinking that the comic origin of Captain America is better cause it makes more sense? like they spent a ton of money to develop the serum why the fuck would you sideline a super soldier made by that serum? I think what they did in the MCU is just to add drama.
Ehhhhhh Doctor Strange one is a bit wrong, he was destined to be the supreme in a line given by the ancient one in end game.
Mentioned this myself sir
This list is sooo accurate!!!
I like Black Panther’s comic origin a lot more. Same goes with Thanos. I do like the comic origins a lot more. For Black Panther losing his father to his future arch enemy Klaw was the start of a hero vs villain theme.
About the Hulk one.
The Ang Lee movie did the whole father origin, and that's, prolly, why they didn't gave him, almost, no origin in the 2008 movie. Yes, it ain't canon, but we can still, kinda, use it as a canon one. That's my opinion. If ya don't agree, ya prolly are right, but does that mean that I'm wrong?
One love ❤️
2003 movie was both accurate and not. Accurate for the father-son relationship not accurate for Bruce's father is absorbing man ripoff
Good news @Cbr Hulk's dad was mentioned by Banner in Thor ragnarok and this can been seen on the mcu wiki
MCU hulk is frustrating, they started great with Edward Norton, his version was more darker and I loved it, it felt like the comic, I like mark ruffalo hulk, he has some great and awesome moments, but he’s used too much as comic relief. I want to see the dark and twisted story of the hulk, we almost had it in Hulk 2003, I love that movie, yes it has lots of flaws but it’s the closest to the comics.
They can't repeat what others did in past movies, gotta try something else besides "make it darker" doesn't mean better writing or more creative.
Unable to use the word "mutant", I think Wanda and Pietro should have been referred to as "marvels".
Doctor Strange's origin in the film was his original origin.
The android Human Torch had nothing to do with the Fantastic Four.
CBR should get an actual Marvel Comics reader to vet the scripts for MCU videos.
A few points to make, on ultron's origin, remember It is an AI, so It process like a computer, waaaaaaaaay faster than us. Ultron could watch the entre human history in about seconds, minutes.
Vision's origin in cómics had to do with human torch android. They couldn't use fantastic four because they didn't owned the rights. Same with mutans. Fox had the rights of both of them.
Everything else i do agree xD
I can imagine if Joss Whedon was on board directing Infinity War, he would've given Thanos his comic accurate story which wouldn't be as great as what the Russo's did.
Oh it would be worst, remember Josstice League? Look how dumpster fire it was compared to the Snyder Cut lmao
@@TitanTankerGaming russos did a great job and made Thanos the perfect villain of the MCU.
@@ultramanCL I know and I’m so happy about it (minus Hulk tho, they did him dirty..)
I was talking about how Joss would’ve ruin Infinity War like he ruined Justice League
@@TitanTankerGaming Hulk wasn't ruined. The plot demanded a character to reverse snap, and needed a stable minded individual to do it. Hulk was the only one who could've done that as his body could only absorb most of the radiation of the infinity gems. But, I know they could've added a rematch of him vs Thanos where hulk would be enraged due to Natasha's death and would beat Thanos. But with his hand damaged, he couldn't have lasted longer in the fight. So they prevented bringing Hulk and Thanos face to face. Talking about the future, the future of Hulk looks very bright as Marvel Studios are planning a World War Hulk Storyline. That would be a redemption for the great character of The Incredible Hulk!
Now about the DCEU drama,
Joss surely added bad things to the movie but Warner Bros ordered him to make it like light hearted as Avengers and they wanted the Marvel-fication of DCEU. I blame Warner Bros more than Joss for that.
@@ultramanCL that makes sense and god if what you said is true then I rly hope MCU redeem Hulk like they redeemed Spider-Man ASAP lol
Strange was foretold/known in MCU Avengers Endgame. Professor Hulk getting the time stone. It's why she gave it to him.
Speaking just for me, I much preferred the comic book origins of Ultron and Vision to the MCU. Comic book Ultron was genuinely scary - virtually indestructible, gleefully malevolent, and with a deeply rooted "Oedipus Complex" to boot.
Since they have a Noir Spider-Man. They need to have an ancient Iron Man. lol He is called Iron Knight. That is what Tony's prototype Iron Man suit looks like. The one he built in the cave.
Huh? If you are talking about the MCU, there is no Noir Spider-Man. The black suit from Far From Home is a shield suit.
Noir Spider-Man is on the shattered dimensions game.
And.....on the Into The Spider-verse movie.
@@bw6138 Ohh, I thought you were talking about the MCU.. An ancient Iron Man would be really cool
Well… the edward norton gave us the origin we needed
The original human torch has nothing to do with the Fantastic Four...
“He comes online and becomes a bad guy after 2 seconds on the internet and that feels a little rushed”
Have you seen the stuff on the internet? Theres some scary stuff out there. And the amount of info the sentient ai was taking in at once mightve been to much.
Imagine Terrance Howard as War Machine! Lolol I love Terrance, but our new Rodey just fits perfectly and I can't imagine no one else.
Quick question: why did they change Terrence anyway? Is it because he was busy with Empire?
There have been a lot of rumors as to why they changed actors, but no official reason that I have been able to find. The most reliable rumors are that Terrance would not agree to the salary that was offered and that he and RDJ had personality conflicts and did not get along.
The Human Torch that Ultron in the comics uses for Vision is the android Torch who fought Namor during WW2 and not the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four.
Umm the original Human Torch only shares a name with Johnny Storm Human Torch.
The OG Torch went by the name Jim Hammond and was deactivated shortly after WWII
He was part of the Invaders with his sidekick Toro, Namor and Captain America.
That's a lot of backstory to cram into an already long movie
This is probably because I haven't read any of his comic arcs but I absolutely loved Ultron's MCU arc! Then again, I also enjoyed Thor the dark world...
Marvel comic is orginal mcu movies are they came out in 2008 so they not orginal comic is better it orginal
@@Nickwilde2295 I have no idea what you just said.
@@magmaticgames Ultron is better in the comic it's the original
I also liked The Dark World! But Age of Ultron is just trash, haha.
@@revoltpuppy I think one of the main reasons I loved AoU so much was because we got to see both the creation and the end of a villain who's intentions were initially good. Ultron was such an interesting villain because of his innocence. He truly thought that by destroying humans, he was preventing humans from going to war with each other. He was correct in a literal sense but was incapable of looking at the situation from an emotional and non literal perspective. It was all kind of sad
Becoming a villan after being on the internet for two seconds makes sense. Because the Internet is a terrible place
What about Carol Danvers/ Captain Marvel as her origin was completely different.
VERY much so, yes.
If you put a ai on twitter for one second it will want to destroy humanity
I personally prefer the comic version of Peter's origin as spiderman. A kid who gets power and uses them for his own personal gain until his selfishness gets someone he loved killed and him learning from uncle Ben "with great power comes great responsibility". I'm not against him getting powers and instantly deciding to use them for good with out anything really tragic setting him for the path of good but i don't like that he gets the "with great power comes great responsibility" after being a hero so long. By now he already knows this lesson from all the other movies he's been in the mcu. Just because i don't like his origins here doesn't mean i dislike him or the movies
ultron really looked at the internet for two seconds and already decided that we all need to die
Hella being Loki’s daughter just makes more sense
also, Hulk has a much better backstory with the gamma bomb and Rick Jones