I loved the “Go back Orisa” at 8:23 & Flats’ immediate reaction “This man is tempting me, I will go back Orisa” - Although they obv couldn’t hear each other it was like a call and response lmao
But killing a capable enemy Rein with a throwaway ult like Whole Hog? Always a good trade. The award for worst ult in this match has to go to the enemy Tracer... pulse bombing a healthy Hog without backup is a pure waste. Stuff like this is the reason playing Rein is considered a pain in the a*. The moment Rein dies most teamfights in their rank are decided, hence he gets solo ulted a lot. Granted, if Cyx is playing Hog the same applies to Hog. Because people want him d.e.a.d at all costs, he is that much of a menace.
@@amirrhodesve791 nah he's not. Unless you're Cyx or some other incredibly good hog player, most of the time you're just feeding as hog. So many times in comp people will yell at you just for picking hog.
@@icicles_sss try winning a game without DPS heroes and going 2 main tanks. But, you can easily win with 2 off tanks and 2 other DPS. Hence this supports my argument that you cannot win games without DPS since they carry virtually all games.
@@ThisIsExile91 Yeah as a ball player, sometimes I get games where we run 0 shield on defense, and still roll them. Because my dps and even healers play aggressive. But bad dps players that can't play anything but symm or something, will complain "shield??" and that you shouldn't push up on offense. I agree, to an extent. But if you can get a pick and get out and keep pressure on them, you really don't need a shield lol. But then you have the games where it's like I'm getting shot by the whole team and I look at my team and they're just chillin lol... It's weird.
@@BiIlDipperIywhether a shield is needed depends on the enemies comb and the map if they have double hitscan or a lot of spam like Zen,junk, and Orisa winning with no shield is almost impossible unless they don't know how to play
Hey, Cyx. Do you think you could leave the link to the stream after every video like this? I usually wanna watch these on Twitch but it's hard to find them.
@@xshock__ I don't usually watch these right away, so the stream can sometimes get pretty lost in other streams. It would be really helpful if it's quickly linked.
if anyone is wondering what the banger song was in the middle of the video, its this: ua-cam.com/video/UbqoImQZ-EY/v-deo.html Its an un-remixed music from a bullet hell game called touhou.
I like Flats and watch most of the videos he uploads.. but playing Rein into Cyx on Hog and whining about getting ulted? I mean you should definitely see that coming. That's one of the best ways to use his ult, ESPECIALLY if the Rein is Flats or someone of similar skill
What Brig have you been playing against and where can I find them? Cause I have yet to encounter a single decent Brig player since her unfortunate rework all that time ago.
I agree that certain hero designs are bad for Overwatch. But what I hate way more are bugged abilities like Rein's shatter and charge, to a certain extends hog's hock, Hanzo's arrows connecting when missing by 2 meters, the list goes on and on. Sometimes they connect when they shouldn't, sometime they don't when they should. For me, it is more frustrating to "loose" against bugs than to "unbalanced" hero design since I at least want to know what I'm up against and don't depend on sheer luck.
I find it really funny that he think brig and bat are unhealty for the game, why because they are the only support who aren't free kills? i feel like the only reason people hate them is because they suck at fighting them.
If you can land the shot right yes. But it’s difficult to land the secondary fire on squishies and you gotta be close as shit to land a one shot on the primary. Unless you’re talking about the hook, shot, melee combo which more often then not requires three separate actions to pull off. But that’s not a one shot so you couldn’t be referring to it right? What’s wrong with having 600 health? Reinhardt has, 500 health, 1600 point shield that regenerates and an ability that can one shot most squishies and knock aside any other characters it slightly comes into contact with. Not to mention his attacks all ignore barriers(with the exception of Zarya). And ya can’t really be complaining about self heals when when Roadhog has literally no other means of protecting either himself, much less any means of protecting his team. He can’t bubble a teammates and gain a damage buff like Zarya, absorb damage and turn it into additional shielding like Sigma, jump all over the map like Winston or Hammond, or gain complete immunity to CC like Orisa. Hell even DVA can eat thousands of points of damage in a match. He’s a damage focused tank. And that’s fine. He can punish enemies out of position. Stomp on the Reaper that keeps sneaking into your back line, tell a Tracer to piss off without fail. And that’s fine. Peeps often like to forget that Tanks come with big ass cannons on them. Hog is fine where he is.
I do agree with alot about hog requiring buffs, but in general all tanks should probably get buffs as they aren't as opressive anymore since dps is just a very strong role, it is very dificult for a tank to win a game, if the dps really focuses a tank and your dps can't do anything because the disparity gap is so big so you auto loose or draw, it can be very frustrating when your range is so small and limited but even then it can be more annoying that heroes like reaper, mcree, hanzo, mei, doomfist can just 100-0 in a flash before you finish them off. Only with a combo support can aid you win the match but not by healing the tank but actually killing the dps for you. In general the issue i saw was never tanks being strong but flawed map designs that encourages a certain playstile.
6:15-6:26 Amen. I firmly believe Brigitte is one of the reasons why Overwatch fell off as hard as it did. I get wanting to have a dedicated Tracer counter, but Brigitte is not how you do it. She's so focused on being anti-dive that she really has no other meaningful place in the game. Then, instead of owning up to the fact that Blizz screwed up while making Brig and attempt to rework her so that she's less toxic to play against, they just said screw it and implemented this BS 2-2-2 role-que system, specifically to stop people from running Goats comp anymore. Brigitte was an absolute disaster for the game, so big of one that not even Blizzard cared about trying to find balance in her toxic kit.
The problem is they are adding MMO elements to a FPS game. This much CC and stun is extremely unhealthy for such a fast paced FPS game. Stagnation kill FPS games !
i think a cool change for hog would be reduce is healing to 200 hp BUT take a breather will now cancel negetive effects (anti nade, discord, ect...) and be immune to stuns during its duration
everyone blames orisa for being OP but i really think sigma has too much utility for his damage output. either nerf his shift, rock, or shield. orisa can't take any more nerfs, save for maybe a smaller ammo clip or fortify lasting a little less, but sig can receive hella nerfs and still be as viable in any comp as he is currently. he's like zarya/dva but better in every way, even down to his ult
How to balance Echo? Simple: When she copies, the copy % HP will be the same as her actual % HP after the Ult Finish. This prevent Damn Suicide Diving without consequences. Damage as Bombes and Beam should be nerfed a little as well. Also for TANKS: Force ONLY 1 Shield Tank Only per Team. (This is opinion)
Ball and Doomfist are also extremely unhealthy for the game if they're meta, so is Torbjorn/Symmetra. Heroes that require very little input to get high value should not be that meta.
@@atari9477 No hero is "easy" Comparatively tho, they require only a few inputs and a lot of just waiting around to engage to get kills. They're not heavy on aim (ball more than doom if he's in his combat mode rather than ball mode). The reason they are unhealthy for the game is that they displace you AND do damage to you at the same time, while gaining shields or having a ton of health. Displacement abilities should not do damage. They are already punishment to get someone out of position. A ball can roll through an entire team, boop 6, and instantly get like 30-40% of his ultimate. There's enough narrow corridors on maps where that is extremely easy. Basically forcing the enemy team to go a stun character to deal with ball. It's not like with Pharah where you can try to ignore her and rush the backline, with ball you are pretty much required to have a Brig/Cas/Hog or Sombra on your team to deal with it if the ball is any good.
I loved the “Go back Orisa” at 8:23 & Flats’ immediate reaction “This man is tempting me, I will go back Orisa” - Although they obv couldn’t hear each other it was like a call and response lmao
Ikr that was hilarious
Lol triggered
Cyx: Yo, that Genji just doublejumped over that shatter, nice
Also Cyx, 10 seconds later: They have shatter, they for sure have shatter
This thing only HIGH elo main tanks can relate
Cyx: targets Rein shield to destroy foe's cover and get everyone else behind it.
Flats: "Welp, I got solo ulted"
he thought he got solo ulted like 3 times lol
Seriously, acting super salty
But killing a capable enemy Rein with a throwaway ult like Whole Hog? Always a good trade.
The award for worst ult in this match has to go to the enemy Tracer... pulse bombing a healthy Hog without backup is a pure waste.
Stuff like this is the reason playing Rein is considered a pain in the a*.
The moment Rein dies most teamfights in their rank are decided, hence he gets solo ulted a lot.
Granted, if Cyx is playing Hog the same applies to Hog.
Because people want him d.e.a.d at all costs, he is that much of a menace.
not even, he got the ashe too kjsdfgh
@@spitegames The Ashe was a welcome bonus.
12:15 it goes from Flats having a bad game to Cyx’s big goofy smile lol
Seeing the transition from the second hole hook from flats to cyx just grinning is amazing
The tilting of flats brings a smile to my face
Cyx isn't a tank main. He's a dps main that skips queue times by playing hog
@@P_Jag hey that's me too
Tilting the guy who hates roadhog? Nice.
Nice
i mean to be fair flats got his own laugh in...
He made hog unplayable in the experimental patch everyones been playing for the last few weeks
@@rockstermaniac he is op can't lie
@@amirrhodesve791 tank… yup, one shot capability… yup, self sustainability… yup what don’t hog have?
A shield pretty weak long range no movement
Petition to change the title to "Taking revenge from Flats for making Roadhog so shit in the experimental patch"
Road hog deserves to be nerfed... let's be honest. Only road hog mains disagree...
@@amirrhodesve791 Nah. He’s in a good spot.
@@amirrhodesve791 nah he's not. Unless you're Cyx or some other incredibly good hog player, most of the time you're just feeding as hog.
So many times in comp people will yell at you just for picking hog.
@@amirrhodesve791 Ana counters hog
The fact that an ulting brig can beat down tanks to a pulp amazes me about overwatch nowadays
Working as blizzard intended
Next experimental patch:
-Hog hook distance reduced
-Hog damage reduced
-Hog deleted from the game
That would be amazing.
LOL
6:16 the chats "no" and Genjis "No" was in sync lmao
the hanzo of the other team carried them a lot
DPS carry almost all games.
@@ThisIsExile91 that's just not true
@@icicles_sss try winning a game without DPS heroes and going 2 main tanks.
But, you can easily win with 2 off tanks and 2 other DPS. Hence this supports my argument that you cannot win games without DPS since they carry virtually all games.
@@ThisIsExile91 Yeah as a ball player, sometimes I get games where we run 0 shield on defense, and still roll them. Because my dps and even healers play aggressive. But bad dps players that can't play anything but symm or something, will complain "shield??" and that you shouldn't push up on offense. I agree, to an extent. But if you can get a pick and get out and keep pressure on them, you really don't need a shield lol.
But then you have the games where it's like I'm getting shot by the whole team and I look at my team and they're just chillin lol... It's weird.
@@BiIlDipperIywhether a shield is needed depends on the enemies comb and the map if they have double hitscan or a lot of spam like Zen,junk, and Orisa winning with no shield is almost impossible unless they don't know how to play
Love the friendly rivalry between two tank mains.
Yep, they respect each others skill at the game.
Plus the Hog vs Rein banter is great source of entertainment.
Cyx always making that great content.
The smile on your face after the second hook off the map was priceless 😂
First super then flats. I'm loving it
When I see a cyx upload: 😃
…w reactions: 🤤🤑
You’ve been pumping out content and we notice keep it up you’re doing great my boy
I actually laughed my ass out on the second hook on Rein 😂. "Second round "
This is exactly what I been waiting for
19:08 solo ult? lol your entire team was there.
I was thinking the same thing... Flats truly was tilted, because he wasn't thinking clearly at all, lmao. xD
@@MyouKyuubi I don’t think flats ever is
The fact that flats says “he solo ulted me” is the funniest thing ever
That hanzo on the enemy team is insane
"he solo ulted me" when you ulted him and 2 other people lol
Don't tilt him too much or he's going to ruin Hog even more whenever he gets a shot in an experimental
Lol actually Flats asked Cyx for advice on what changes would be good for Roadhog for that experimental patch
@@ErikDayne asked for advice ≠ decided the change
This aged like fine wine
@@brandonszpot8948 too fuckin true
12:15 so damn funny. that smirk and everything.
Never knew cyx had long hair that's crazy.
That Hanzo was insane lol
Flats: shatters
Cyx: their gonna have shatter.
My man flats loves main tank no matter what. Roadhog just drinks his milkshake though
Great job Cyx! I love your game awareness; where to be and where not to be. Stuff like this that separates the High-Level play from everyone else!
the snowman skin for hog looks like he's doing the rock eyebrow meme
Cyx: *ults half the enemy team*
Flats: He just solo ulted me :(
Hey, Cyx. Do you think you could leave the link to the stream after every video like this? I usually wanna watch these on Twitch but it's hard to find them.
I think these are uploads from lastest (or latest idk not good at engrish) streams so you can search for it pretty easily
@@xshock__ I don't usually watch these right away, so the stream can sometimes get pretty lost in other streams. It would be really helpful if it's quickly linked.
Just go on twitch and search his name?
@@ecciq The problem isn't finding Cyx, the problem is finding the specific video.
Damn the glow up is real, you was dusty asl boa 😂😩🤣
19:34 lol Flats killed Emongg
It be like that sometimes 😂
The hog god himself delivered retribution to the person who did hog injustice in the experimental patch
The devs don’t “theory craft” a meta. They “theory craft” balance and what fails to be balanced then becomes “meta”
Bro WHAT, does Cyx have a perm?!?!
Bro your appearance changed a lot in two years, can't tell you are the same person.
UA-cam sending me to the past with the recommended. So much nostalgia from looking while also looking bleak for the games future today.
12:20 Cyx face screaming: "UA-cam CONTENT"
cyx I simply cannot cope with these upload times
Every player has justifications for why their specific hero needs to be buffed lol
Omg the first song of the video
Good memories
Sonic heroes music... Nice
The fact this mans gave us permission to skip that boring part, love this guy
if anyone is wondering what the banger song was in the middle of the video, its this: ua-cam.com/video/UbqoImQZ-EY/v-deo.html
Its an un-remixed music from a bullet hell game called touhou.
Thank you
That double environmental on flats... LololoL
Could've been a win if your team hadn't played like morons at the start. Still, good to see Flats getting some lessons in karma from Hog.
Karma the Hog.
Fats tilting is a gift I didn't know I wanted
Pun intended?
Gotta love that old sonic music
IS THAT SONIC HEROES TWISTED MANSION AT THE START?
I like Flats and watch most of the videos he uploads.. but playing Rein into Cyx on Hog and whining about getting ulted? I mean you should definitely see that coming. That's one of the best ways to use his ult, ESPECIALLY if the Rein is Flats or someone of similar skill
Somehow it feels like that title should be Cyx gets tilted by flats
I love at 11:20 when u 🪝 him off twice.
U the best cyx!!!!
imo the problem with brig is that shes designed to counter an entire comp, and that is the worst thing u can do
What Brig have you been playing against and where can I find them? Cause I have yet to encounter a single decent Brig player since her unfortunate rework all that time ago.
@@DivineChaos4 sounds like an issue of your elo, cuz diamond+ Brigs do a ton of work
I’m not sure Flats totally understands what getting solo ulted means.
12:20 evil smile of satisfaction
I liked the skip the rant time stamp 😂
(Samito’s)
End of video to skip rant 🥸
@11:03 does anyone know why he looks at the mccree when hes ulting, is it to protect his or was he just detracted?
their dps should have stayed hanzo jesus
2 random lucio hooks, he was not happy
Those 2 together are a strong tank combo
Doing God's work. Flats deserves this and more
Why?
@@jakebakethatcake7156 he's a hog hater and trashcanned the hero in his experimental patch. Also it was a joke.
Is not about winning is about make others lose 🤣😂
I agree that certain hero designs are bad for Overwatch. But what I hate way more are bugged abilities like Rein's shatter and charge, to a certain extends hog's hock, Hanzo's arrows connecting when missing by 2 meters, the list goes on and on. Sometimes they connect when they shouldn't, sometime they don't when they should.
For me, it is more frustrating to "loose" against bugs than to "unbalanced" hero design since I at least want to know what I'm up against and don't depend on sheer luck.
Don’t get me started on doomfist
@@ValkenDnB doomfist is all bugs. Without the bugs he would be worse than he always is
i vividly remember losing a game on Lijiang because Genji’s climb just did not want to work so I couldn’t get myself out of trouble.
Let me chip in with the magnetic 5 meters away junkrat trap. Or fade over it with moira and get pulled back into when your 1 meter away
@@ValkenDnB there’s nothing to start. He’s balanced, and requires a lot of skill. Especially in higher elos
here flats and emongg catch cyx alone, take him into a room and bully him 9:00
I find it really funny that he think brig and bat are unhealty for the game, why because they are the only support who aren't free kills? i feel like the only reason people hate them is because they suck at fighting them.
Hog is a one shot character with 600 health and a self heals, i go bruh
If you can land the shot right yes. But it’s difficult to land the secondary fire on squishies and you gotta be close as shit to land a one shot on the primary.
Unless you’re talking about the hook, shot, melee combo which more often then not requires three separate actions to pull off. But that’s not a one shot so you couldn’t be referring to it right?
What’s wrong with having 600 health? Reinhardt has, 500 health, 1600 point shield that regenerates and an ability that can one shot most squishies and knock aside any other characters it slightly comes into contact with. Not to mention his attacks all ignore barriers(with the exception of Zarya).
And ya can’t really be complaining about self heals when when Roadhog has literally no other means of protecting either himself, much less any means of protecting his team. He can’t bubble a teammates and gain a damage buff like Zarya, absorb damage and turn it into additional shielding like Sigma, jump all over the map like Winston or Hammond, or gain complete immunity to CC like Orisa. Hell even DVA can eat thousands of points of damage in a match.
He’s a damage focused tank. And that’s fine. He can punish enemies out of position. Stomp on the Reaper that keeps sneaking into your back line, tell a Tracer to piss off without fail. And that’s fine. Peeps often like to forget that Tanks come with big ass cannons on them. Hog is fine where he is.
Imagine not losing sr with btheboss
I'm dumb. What's the song in the background at the beginning? I know this but I don't, y'know?
it takes their entire team to be on an even playing field against cyx LOL
isn’t that lips shirt from shameless
Enemy hanzo was insane
I do agree with alot about hog requiring buffs, but in general all tanks should probably get buffs as they aren't as opressive anymore since dps is just a very strong role, it is very dificult for a tank to win a game, if the dps really focuses a tank and your dps can't do anything because the disparity gap is so big so you auto loose or draw, it can be very frustrating when your range is so small and limited but even then it can be more annoying that heroes like reaper, mcree, hanzo, mei, doomfist can just 100-0 in a flash before you finish them off. Only with a combo support can aid you win the match but not by healing the tank but actually killing the dps for you.
In general the issue i saw was never tanks being strong but flawed map designs that encourages a certain playstile.
6:15-6:26 Amen. I firmly believe Brigitte is one of the reasons why Overwatch fell off as hard as it did.
I get wanting to have a dedicated Tracer counter, but Brigitte is not how you do it. She's so focused on being anti-dive that she really has no other meaningful place in the game. Then, instead of owning up to the fact that Blizz screwed up while making Brig and attempt to rework her so that she's less toxic to play against, they just said screw it and implemented this BS 2-2-2 role-que system, specifically to stop people from running Goats comp anymore. Brigitte was an absolute disaster for the game, so big of one that not even Blizzard cared about trying to find balance in her toxic kit.
wait i agree with that so much if hog was buffed for anti dive instead of making brig fuck i wanna live in that world
The problem is they are adding MMO elements to a FPS game. This much CC and stun is extremely unhealthy for such a fast paced FPS game. Stagnation kill FPS games !
Stuns are necessary for the tanks and flankers to be balanced, the real issue is how many heroes have ez stuns that incur no risk
baby cyx
Good explanation dude 😂😂
What is that song at the end of the video?
Does Cyx know the last update buggered up the audio and it even says in the patch notes for everyone to fix their audio? Lol
I love the boy flats rein god but the boy cyx will always be special
cyx looks like Ruby from $uicideBoy$
I MISS TF out of this hog man 😢
Cyx’s healers and Oriza pissed me off so much. How are they that bad
i think a cool change for hog would be reduce is healing to 200 hp BUT take a breather will now cancel negetive effects (anti nade, discord, ect...) and be immune to stuns during its duration
That would be straight up broken. You'd never be punished for being out of position.
That’s broken, immune to being stunned 😧
Whenever I play hog, all I get is hate. Should I just ignore it?
Nice persona music in the background
Cyx > flats 👌
everyone blames orisa for being OP but i really think sigma has too much utility for his damage output. either nerf his shift, rock, or shield. orisa can't take any more nerfs, save for maybe a smaller ammo clip or fortify lasting a little less, but sig can receive hella nerfs and still be as viable in any comp as he is currently. he's like zarya/dva but better in every way, even down to his ult
How to balance Echo? Simple: When she copies, the copy % HP will be the same as her actual % HP after the Ult Finish. This prevent Damn Suicide Diving without consequences. Damage as Bombes and Beam should be nerfed a little as well.
Also for TANKS: Force ONLY 1 Shield Tank Only per Team. (This is opinion)
That would make her unplayable and her ult useless...
Found the gold
Ball and Doomfist are also extremely unhealthy for the game if they're meta, so is Torbjorn/Symmetra. Heroes that require very little input to get high value should not be that meta.
Low skill high reward has always been a thing with overwatch.
But ball and doom are not ez tho
@@atari9477 No hero is "easy"
Comparatively tho, they require only a few inputs and a lot of just waiting around to engage to get kills. They're not heavy on aim (ball more than doom if he's in his combat mode rather than ball mode).
The reason they are unhealthy for the game is that they displace you AND do damage to you at the same time, while gaining shields or having a ton of health.
Displacement abilities should not do damage. They are already punishment to get someone out of position. A ball can roll through an entire team, boop 6, and instantly get like 30-40% of his ultimate. There's enough narrow corridors on maps where that is extremely easy.
Basically forcing the enemy team to go a stun character to deal with ball. It's not like with Pharah where you can try to ignore her and rush the backline, with ball you are pretty much required to have a Brig/Cas/Hog or Sombra on your team to deal with it if the ball is any good.
roll them cyx
Nice timing again while I'm having a shit!
Poor flats dude
Echo ult should not stop you from changing heroes.
flats imagine getting trolled by cyx oof
I almost NEVER see uploads of your hog on this map...is hog bad on this map or something?