REVIEW: Everything Wrong With a 5.9 Cummins 24v
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
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I used an airdog pump and filter kit, as well as a sending unit retrofit kit. Excellent installation, instructions and kit for a full install on my 99 2500.
OMG you just said 6.5 was better than 5.9 Cummins! I feel so much better with my 97 😂😂
💔 sorry for the loss she will be missed even by me, pets are family too
Where are you from?
All fixed , "INSTAGRAM"
Flex fit = wont stay on in a Breeze.
Something to add: The 24V VP44 cummins was also used in FedEx and UPS trucks. The failure rate was way high. So Bosch built them an upgraded VP44. Later VP44 revisions improved on this design. Most reman VP44s you buy today are based on the upgraded versions, and should last much longer than the stock pump on these trucks.
99% of the issue was the lift pump. No other way to say that.
330,000 miles on original vp44 and 53 block. Has had a tuner and 75 horse injectors in it since 220,000 with no problems yet.
What year? I have a 01 with 215k with 200 hp injectors and edge comp hot unlock running 50 psi of boost zero problems not all are bad
Shelby Lester It’s an 01 with a quadzilla tuning about 40psi with vaiair dual disk nv4500. Have blow up two rear ends though lol.
Also have had an air dog on it since I bought it.
mmmontague not all 53 blocks are bad first off and second the later years are better. Knowledge will go along way
mmmontague you clearly have know clue how many 53 blocks are out there. Even 12v 53 blocks and Iv seen so many of them with high miles and no issues
i love how p pumps look like a little inline 6 : )
They are lol
Yeah they basically are
Look up "9.0 Bosch mw" it's an inline injection pump off of a v8
They are
Until u have to take one off
The new ''meow'' outro is the cutest thing ever when you know the story behind it...
RIP Marlene
I'm not crying it's the allergies
I love that you kept a kitten, it's amazing she gave you one last gift to remember her, before she had to go. Always loved the clips of Marlene in the videos. Shop cats are a must, I've always had outside/inside/shop cats. I lost one of my older cats this last week due to some complications as well. It definitely hurts man, keep that cute little kitten safe and loved!
Keep the great content coming as well!
Being a diesel mechanic myself as well as a cat lover ..I felt it necessary to say hi and leave a comment.. I'm sorry for your loss... I did enjoy seeing her in your videos .. the cat meow the end of every post... please keep the videos coming
Meow Meow cat or vroom vroom cat
Would you ever do Everything Wrong With videos about Transmissions? Specifically ones that come behind the diesels that you review like Alison 1000s or NV4500s?
Callelle if he made a vid on everything wrong with an Allison the video would be 10 seconds long
Bojan Kos only issue with the Allison 1000 can’t handle more power than it’s factory design - Duramax driver
Only real problems with an nv4500 is 5th gear nut and occasionally synchros if the wrong fluid type was used
@@scottknight1327 and the 3rd to 4th shift (either that or the 4-5 shift, I can't remember) which isn't really an issue, you just gotta run at a higher rpms to shift or you'll drop the rpms too low.
@@forrest7546 I believe it's the 4-5 shift. I have an nv4500 in my ram and really the only issue I've had is it doesnt like to downshift into 1st if your going above 10mph, but that could be synchros or this crappy clutch kit from rockauto
I have a 1999 dodge ram 2500. I knew of the vp44 problems when I bought it. The first mod to the truck was a fass lift pump. I have had no problems with the fuel system in the 13 years (93,000 miles) I've beat on it.
Oh yeah. It's got the 053 block. I guess time will tell how long it lasts. 😬
Try 130000 plus in 3 years, that'll show you the weaknesses
@@richardharris492 Yeah, I know I haven't run the truck as much as it should be run; but sometimes not running a vehicle enough is harder on it than piling the miles on.
The part of this that stuck out to me was only 93000 in 13 years, thats fantastic man. How many miles are on the truck all together?
@@dustinfoltz4769 About 265,000. I bought it in 2007 with About 172,000. So I guess it's closer to 97,000 miles. It's turned into a restoration project/firewood hauler/camper hauler/toy .... You get the idea.
Disagree. Nothing wrong with VP44, just don't run it out of fuel. Put in a quality lift pump, an Edge +150 HP & 380 lb-ft tuner, KDP, and an adequate torque converter. Solid machine.
I cannot stress how much I love these videos, so knowledgeable and cool to watch
Sorry for your loss Rich! Keep up the great work, been here since way back in the day
CONGRATS ON 400 Thousand subs. If any channel deserves that kind of support, its Deboss Garage.
428k miles on my VP powered truck. Threw a fass on it when I bought it at 270k, still chooches every day for work. Improved lift pumps go a long way in a VP powered truck.
Ive always stood by the 12 valves due to the basic simplicity. Comparably I cant decide wether to swap a 12v with my 7.3.... i like both but less electronics on the 12v
Can’t wait for your 5.9 isbcr video. Just got a 2006 Cummins ram with 180,000 miles as my first truck and I’m jazzed as all hell to find your channel.
I came in here for some sweet diesel goodness, didn't expect to be crying in the corner with my cat.
The kitten at the end ugh I’m not crying
I like hearing your honesty about which engines are the best in their era. It seems a little more factual from you and a lot less confirmation bias of brand specific guys!
@Rosko Wolf duramax better than the B series cummins? LMAAAOOOOOO
Rosko Wolf he’s up to 900+ ponies and it’s an LMB, not the LB7. 😉
@Rosko Wolf I know I'm new to the diesel scene. But I have the seven three in my 99 F 350 and I was getting 24 miles to the gallon going back and forth to work. Everybody I've ever talked to about the comings that's how much they love them but the only get 8 miles to the gallon. I just recently checked into getting a remanufactured 7.3 and it was only $3,000. Where is the Cummings it's going to cost me a lot more for a remanufactured. I got seven hundred thousand miles out of my 7.3. But I'll keep learning.
@Rosko Wolf I miss mine so much. Hello five conversions pretty popular I thought about doing it with mine but at the time I lived in Michigan and everything was rusted.
Rosko Wolf non of the other brand builds a truck to last, non the less swap the 7.3 into, rust in peace dodge and Chevy!
Can't wait to see you hit half a million subs. Love your channel, know how and attitude, continued success my good man.
Love the details you put into these. Awesome job!
I had a '97 250 dodge diesel that suffered a "KDP" event. I had paid for an extended warranty from Dodge. They repaired the truck with some resistance. It took weeks. The event destroyed the gear housing case, and the new one had a built-in tab which covered that dowel pin. I used to be hooked up to the Dodge diesel community of the time. Dodge owners would meet at some out-of-the-way locations to conduct KDP "parties" to install tabs to cover the dowel pins. Nevada comes to mind.
The afc live is an excellent fuel controller. I have one on my 96 5speed 12 valve. Really helped out with the low end power, with 3k springs the truck drives awesome. I highly recommend it!
Love this channel! So knowledgeable and seems like a genuinely nice dude
Another solid video. Thanks a lot... ton of work putting these UA-cam videos together and much appreciated.
I love my 24v. I know they have their problems, but this is my go-to engine choice of all the Diesel engines made in that time.
Got half a million on mine
Same, I bought my 07 with 78k and just turned 235k a few days ago. Upgrading the fuel system and fully building the tranny really made this truck reliable.
I was recently given a 24v, what good timing you released this video. I now know what to look for to see why it was free. Wish me luck on the refurbishment.
Can you tell them to give me one too I can find something to put it in
No U find any ford truck ever built and you’re already stepping up from the dodge it came out of 🤣
@@Beandiptheredneck Trust me when my 6.4 blows I have a 12v ready to swap in it's place
No U rebuild the 6.4! My cousins got a hopped up 6.4 f250, it’s bulletproofed deleted and tuned, that truck is a monster
@@Beandiptheredneck 6.4s are throwaway engines. Most of the time they aren't rebuildable. Good power and sound, but not particularly durable compared to a cummins.
Sorry to hear about marlene. Thanks for the videos. I'm resurrecting my '02 Dodge ram and your videos are going to help a lot I think.
Ordered me a key tag been a big fan for a while Rich I love all your videos and always look forward to your videos keep the great content coming!
So sorry to hear about your loss. 💔❤❤❤❤❤
12:24 Yes the Brazilian foundry Tupy made the 53/54/55/56 blocks. Rumor has it the Mexican foundry Teksid is the best and strongest block of them all.
Cummins legend also has it that the 53 is "thin" because of a faulty set of mould(s) that shifted when poured; hence why not all 53's crack.
exactly , 230K AND 416HP to the rear wheels on my 2000 53 block ...
I love how you’re so right about the 24v vp44 will leave on the size of the the road. My dads 98 24v gives him problems casually
Love your videos man, super informative and interesting to watch! Keep doing what you do! 🤙🏻
Good review! I'm swapping a 24v paired with an Eaton Fuller 5-speed into a GMC on my channel 👌
Ohh, looking forward to the CR 5.9 review.
Would you do a 5.0 out of the Titan or a Ford 4.9/300CID i6, please?
Sorry to hear about Marlene 😪. That VP44 issue also seems to effect some of the Volvo FL6s here. My neighbours one used to suffer intermittent dead peddle and heavy smoking when the timing used to change without warning.
I'm sorry about the loss of your kitty dude. Love your videos. Thinking of saving up some money for a diesel truck this summer and traveling outwest to pick one up. Truck prices in New Brunswick are ridiculous. Rewatching a lot of your videos just to know what to look for depending on what I end up looking at. Cheers from N.B
You can keep a VP44 alive. I had 10 years + on mine when I sold my truck a few years ago. A couple help things I did: Larger flow, lower pop pressure injectors. This limits the peak injection pressure and thus the stress on the pump plungers and cam ring inside the pump. Second, a newer VP44 with the upgraded electronics package (the FPCM that Bosch was forced to upgrade after all the P0216 timing code faults on the VP44s). I think 04 is when they hit the parts channel. Finally, replumb the supply side so you have reasonable fuel pressure at the VP44 inlet at all times. I plumbed mine with -08 and custom fittings, although I'm pretty sure a Weber Carb inlet fitting (-06) is also M12x1.5 DIN straight thread metric. Use the banjo washers and it won't leak. -06 is plenty big. You don't need huge pressure, just keep it over 5psi or so at all times. (the VP44 has its own internal feed, and you can't force it to flow more by increasing supply pressure).
My *original* lift pump was still going strong when I sold the truck (evidence of the lower vibration) even though the pumps are crap. Usually what happens is that vibration causes the wires inside the pump to fail where they insert into the brushes. Lots of good aftermarket pumps out there will solve your problem. Mounting an electric pump of such low robustness to a high-vibration engine is a recipe for failure, and fail they did. But Chrysler was too cheap to pay for a proper pump, so Cummins honored their request to use the cheap one. (note the 12V engines have the cam-drive pump and you almost never hear of them failing).
The bigger problem with the chosen carter pump was it's location more than anything, at one point Chrysler was replacing them with a tank mounted in the tank . Electric fuel pumps are designed to push the fuel so they should be mounted as close to the fuel pickup point as possible. on a standard wheelbase truck the pump is pulling fuel close to 9 ft from the bottom of the pickup tube in the thank. I actually drove my truck to the gas station which was about 3 miles from my house with the lift pump wiring disconnected after doing some work on it , I think I was installing my modified for more flow banjo bolts. I think went thru 3 pumps , the stock one , a Carter and then the last one which I mounted on the frame back at the tank ...
@@dartgts383 vibration does kill the factory pumps. Specifically, the brush wires where they enter the brush. That’s why relocating often helps, it has nothing to do with push vs pull. Yes pushing is better, but that’s not why the pumps died. In tank is where they mount them all now because they stay cool and have minimal vibration
Yes you are right I like my 24v cummind. A fuel injector was the only we had to replace on it for 300000 miles other than the ordinary maintnence
Condolences on your loss. One of mine had the same thing with ling cancer.
Good info on the Diesels, too
I think I was your 110th subscriber. So happy for you that 400k smart people agree with me, a smart person, that you make great content that is both informative and highly entertaining. Here's to your million sub landmark in the near future!
I’m looking forward to learning about the 5.9 common rail
"It's not a 12 valve"
400k subs!!!! Been here since around 130k. Best content I swear
Great video. A couple of really good tips.
Sorry for your loss Rich!
The 24 valve. One of my most favorite cummins engines out there. But I'm not a fan of the automatic transmission dodge put behind the cummins. Love the truck and engine but I hate the automatic transmission. And the sloppy steering. Other than those 2 they are great
That’s why you get one with a 6 speed manual
@@adhdieseltech236 I love the 6 speed manual. My dad is having issues with his 24v automatic truck. I think if it keeps it up it will have a 6 speed in it lol
Great engine shit truck shit transmission
@@oldcroneysgarage9739 tell just swap it don't waste money on the auto
@@nou8257 not my truck.
Been binge watch deboss garage since the videos with the skid factory 6bt build and now im tearing up about the cat cracking videos deboss garage keep the awsome videos coming
You are a wealth of information! Enjoy every video you make.
I know nothing about this stuff but can’t stop watching. Did Rich say he peed his valve?
I definitely agree, the 24 valves with the VP do sound the best.
I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks that
Love your vids man. Keep ‘em comin!👍
Can't wait for the CR 5.9 video. I have an 05 with 375k. Fingers crossed she still starts and runs well. Thanks
Condolences on your kitty, and congrats on the new kitten and 4k subs!
I had a 2001 24V Ram and put 275K miles on it until I sold it in 2015. The only mod I did with it was to put the amber low fuel pressure light kit on it. Around 110K warned me my lift pump was going bad and I replaced it. Never a single problem with that engine or the VP44. If you feed them fuel they are fine.
My truck is a 2000. Had a 53 that cracked and went through six transmissions. Now has a 56 block with custom pistons, Hamilton cam, 175 injectors, variable turbo, quadzilla programmed, upgraded fuel pump and an Allison transmission. Engine is quieter than my brothers 3rd gen, gets great fuel economy. The cab is fully insulated and you can have normal conversations inside. It gets up and goes and is smoke free.
DT466 is a beautiful reliable motor. in nearly 10 years the only failure we had as a rafting bus is the injector sleeve leaking coolant. fires up first try any temperature and runs amazing all day long.
Who else already had the eyes of the YT page and had to go back to the end of the video watch the new "meow"?
DeBoss keynote of his parent's cat... I'm NOT CRYING, YOU ARE.... YOU ARE.... god dammit I'm crying....
Big 10
Great video as always, keep up the good work eh!!! RIP Marlene!
father in law a 00 53 block with 430,000 miles. Currently working on a VE swapped 24v in a 92 F350. I’m just not a P pump fan due to only having static timing for daily use. I love the VP engines enough that I swapped a vp44 24v into my 92 first gen that was a 12v.
I can see your heartfelt rich when you talk about your cat 🙂 Rest In Peace kitty you were a ⭐️
Man, I'd like a diesel truck someday...
*watches video*
On second thought, I'm going to stick with motorcycles.
Great show on the 6.0’s. I was thinking of buying one in a 2004, but now that’s a no go.
Interesting video. On my 1999 Dodge Ram I heard about the fueling issues and the first thing I did was put gauges in the truck, trans temp, EGT's and fuel pressure. That fuel pressure gauge caught 3 different Carter fuel pumps going out. At 125K my VP44 broke and left me stranded on the highway, a long tow home. I had read about remanufactured VP44's on the Internet and settled for a remanufactured pump by Blue Chip Diesel, particularly the Special X pump. I also installed a new Fass drp fuel pump on the frame near the fuel tank. I think I've helped to create a more reliable vehicle. My best upgrade has been a Goerend component 47re trans rebuild. Much better mileage with that tansmission, and I mean it was amazing.
Skid factory viewer here from Al's recommendation. Cool to see a shout out!
Great video, been waiting over a year for this. Are you planning on doing a p-pump swap video?.
Yep
@@DEBOSSGARAGE yeah so what with the picture of Al from skidfactory? Looks like the P pump was already mocked up?
@@DEBOSSGARAGE were you able to have the pop pressure changed? And did it make a difference? Also when do you plan on doing the follow up video?
Thank you so much for making this video. If you can please make a p-pump conversion vid. That would be amazing!
Sorry to hear man. Wishing you guys the best.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your cat.
Im sorry to hear for all of us, we all loved Marlene. Its beautiful she was able to give you a baby version of herself before moving on to the great diesel shop in the sky. much love from shadow and myself.
Sad about the cat, but congratulations with the channel. Thank you for the years of good service and videos.
Been on the channel a while... still wonder how you accumulated the knowledge. Master level
Most mechanics have a knowledge base like this. It’s our careers and livelihood. If your mechanic doesn’t, I’d be a bit concerned.
I watch him because I like seeing his opinions, but he does a great job on these technical videos.
Rich missed the common APPS failure, or dead accelerator pedal problem. The commercial version of this was all mechanical. Dodge built some massively over complicated electronic version and it was unreliable, too many heat cycles next to the engine and surface mount components soldered to a circuit board. The Timbo aftermarket APPS takes the commercial analog Williams Controls version with an adaptor harness and it fits right into the truck. My stock APPS died at 130k km.
Hey, I'm new to the diesel game....what is APPS?
@@brrrt7623 Throttle Position Sensor
Rich, you always gave Marlene a lot of love and made her purrrrr. Marlene had a good long life and gave you a gift before leaving. She loved you too.
Hey Rich, love all the videos great job. But I have a topic for you to possibly make a short video on. Which is a better choice gasoline pickups or diesel pickups? Keep up the great videos!
love the new kitkat, srry for your old one,love the meow at the end, very nice video
I'm sure you have already figured this out. There is no pressure setting on the pump, it will build pressure until the Injector the relief valve pops/opens. You will have to slightly advance timing to run a higher pressure injector. I run around 4k psi 12v injectors and roughly 5 degrees more timing did this to help clean up some smoke.
For shits and giggles, get a timing light and see what the difference is in injection timing from the 260 bar to 300 bar injectors.
I always ran 300 bar injectors in my p-pump 24v, never an issue with that.
@@tatehalpin5686 Hahaha! I don't know if you're trying to make a joke or not but I thought the timing light idea was funny! The engine I was talking about is a 12 valve that might be over fueling for a single turbo. So I shimned the injectors to the 4k psi I wanted and advanced timing to clean it up, it's something I've learned from tweaking fuel systems for over 20years. But I'll tie on to that plug wire and get a reading for you if you want, hahaha!
@@terrellstandefer6646 Blue Point sells a reasonably priced (relatively) pulse-adapter. Has a piezo-electric sensor that clamps onto your injection line, and will produce current in a cable that is off the side of the tool. You hook your timing light pickup on that cable, and it triggers the light just like a spark plug wire. You can use this to see your injection timing. Its a great tool for setting timing and you don't have a base reference, like a timing chart for a P7100. Just need a TDC mark on your damper and a pointer. I've had mine for 10 years now.
Love it.... Perfect video to keep marlenes memory alive forever... She was a great kitty!! The engine is ok lol.
Thanks for all your work. It's helped me make better decisions and save money. I was wondering if the video for the ISB Common Rail is out yet? I searched but couldn't find it. Thx
Great video Rich @Deboss Garage
A hundred years ago with 400K followers you could take over the planet.
Maybe 200 years ago if they were military capable men. Alot more than 400k fought in ww1 .
@@Amerikanskis No.
@ 70 million were mobilized for ww1 Sean O'dipshit
Their are many, many different versions of the "p" pump. I belive the 8.3 is classifies a a p3000 but these pumps were used by just about every engine manufacturer from mercedes to international, also called "m" and n" pumps. Farmers and pullers are about the two largest scources of p pump info across the board for all manufacturers. This would be an absolutly exellent topic for a video, you can read through farming and pulling threads till your eyes bleed and the information is all over the map. You guys should see if Industrial Injection is interested in a collab, that would be a great partnership. Those guys work on absolutly everything, from ancient tractors, to pulling monsters, i doubt if theirs anybody out their with more info on these pumps than them.
Same issue with the VP44 on some Isuzu pickups (not sold in North America). The best part is that there is no lift pump in those, it relies on the main fuel pump to get the flow it needs. Mine got fried at about 200000 km. First it got harder to start and one morning no start at all. Dealer acted like it is the first time they see it. The replacement wasn't cheap but so far so good.
Audi, VW and so on had that VP44 in the 2.5 Tdi V6 2499cc Diesel. Good engine except that pump. Same problems there. Funny to see the same injection technic in a much bigger engine. Great Video, greetings from Germany!
The 320d e46 and the opels 2.0 & 2.2 dti had the same pump
Sad loss, happy kitten. Mixed emotions
Sorry to hear about Marlene, she was a good cat. Loved seeing her in your vids
I've changed more than one fuel filter on 24v Dodges and then they would never start due to the lift pump. Sometimes the customer got lucky and a new lift pump would get it started, other times it was vp44 and lift pump. Made a lot of money doing vp44 pumps and lift pumps. I actually own an 01 Dodge Cummins with a nv5600, the 24v is my favorite Cummins even with it's issues.
Love these technical videos, Would be great to see you get into a BMW M57 one day
so sorry for your loss. losing pets is sometimes as hard or harder than losing people
It is for me. We take comfort in knowing that they are waiting for us at The Rainbow Bridge.😢😭
I knew a guy that coated the entire bottom of his van with a primer that was zinc-chromate pigment with an epoxy base. He then painted over that with an epoxy base coat. Last I saw it was nearly rust free and over 10 years old, he still drove it in the winter. I don't know how expensive it is, but maybe it would be worthwhile to try on a little piece of sheet metal to see how well it holds up to the winter up north there. I too am looking for a way to keep the rust off a vehicle as long as possible.
Ziebart's is a good method to use, I've seen a number of these last a very long time, they are very thorough. Zinc chromate primer is also good, but you have to be pretty thorough in it's application. Some zinc chromate products need to be applied with care, because it is considered hazardous. One thing that Ziebarts doesn't protect is any aluminum engine parts or engine blocks, if you want that protected you have to seal the aluminum separately. The zinc chromate primer doesn't go inside the panels like Ziebarts does, that is why it has less protection overall than Ziebarts. Ziebarts also hits things like suspension bolts and body mounting points.
Bolt an anode to your frame!
@@donquihote6023 Doesn't that need to immersed in an electrolytic solution to work?
@@gunshipproduct2 Good question. The contact between the dissimilar metals cause and electron flow. At that point, the zinc becomes an Anode and the zinc becomes the sacrificial metal. Moisture, salt, other materials that encourage oxidation speed up the process! That is why they are put all over ships and boats. Enjoy!
Sorry for your loss its so tough.
Great job on the video👍🏻
R.I.P kitty great vid
I replaced my electric lift pump with an accessory driven hydraulic pump. My fuel pressure never budged.
Just found your channel, love it. RIP kitty. Lost my beloved Petra at 15 y last month- breast cancer spread to the lungs. Greetings from Seattle, WA 🇺🇸.
Can’t wait for the ISB video. Hopefully you snag one soon
Rest In Peace Marlene. We recently lost our 21 year old cat Basil, so I know the hurt.
Sorry to hear about Marlene, I always look for the end of video Marlene meow!
Much love bro. Ordering up now.