Everything Wrong With The Many Saints of Newark - Soprano Theories

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    While I did enjoy The Many Saints of Newark and being back brought into The Sopranos' universe after almost fifteen years. The Many Saints of Newark isn't considered a true mafia classic like the media set it out to be. Here's what I believe to be everything wrong with The Many Saints of Newark, a film that has The Sopranos' legacy attached to its average name.
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  • @rudigrudi4898
    @rudigrudi4898 2 роки тому +1963

    A hit is a hit, and this my friend is not a hit...

  • @valmarsiglia
    @valmarsiglia Рік тому +515

    They guys playing Sil, Paulie, and Puss were like second-rate Sopranos impersonators hired for the opening of a pizzeria in a suburban mall.

    • @user-lj2gx2bh8p
      @user-lj2gx2bh8p 9 місяців тому +8

      Dumb take.

    • @cheeto4sure
      @cheeto4sure 9 місяців тому +11

      I think they did okay.

    • @greyes8668
      @greyes8668 9 місяців тому +23

      I thought the guy that played Sil did pretty good.just didn't understand he was that much older than Tony

    • @greyes8668
      @greyes8668 9 місяців тому +16

      If he wouldn't of acted like Sil at all then ppl would of criticized that too..no win for these guys playing the younger versions lol

    • @jaward51
      @jaward51 8 місяців тому +7

      Bro the guy that played Sil was spot on.

  • @ronnieortiz6803
    @ronnieortiz6803 2 роки тому +575

    I knew I was in for a bad time when Ray Liotta gets killed 10 mins into the movie only to reappear in jail......as a "twin" 🤨

    • @michaelross1452
      @michaelross1452 Рік тому +81

      That happens in The Sopranos....
      Pat parsi is a twin. Same actor plays both.

    • @vahn_legaia
      @vahn_legaia Рік тому +15

      @@michaelross1452 Also with the cusimono sisters, patsi and tony Bs kids

    • @JGD714
      @JGD714 Рік тому

      The DeMeo family is the mafia crew with the most twins in the history of the United States.

    • @neversayjello
      @neversayjello Рік тому +3

      Pilly leotardo

    • @streetrat48
      @streetrat48 Рік тому +34

      I thought it was a fucking flashback and when they did the twin thing I laughed so hard, it became a comedy at that point to me, a 'so bad it's good' movie lol when Johnny shoots Liv through the fucking hair like something out of a looney tunes cartoon it fucking solidified it as one of the best mob satires of all time for me.

  • @AlyssMa7rin
    @AlyssMa7rin 2 роки тому +115

    What freaked me out about this movie, was how much they made Livia look like Carmlla.

    • @belo-zerolt-180
      @belo-zerolt-180 Рік тому +7

      I saw that 2

    • @eduardoherrer664
      @eduardoherrer664 11 місяців тому +4

      Some Edipo type o shit

    • @mauriciomachado7929
      @mauriciomachado7929 8 місяців тому +3

      I was thinking about that the whole time. Even took me out of some scenes completely.

    • @malikkimanimaasai3703
      @malikkimanimaasai3703 4 місяці тому

      Well, boys look 4 mother types...Odepus Complex...its real...

    • @Randarrradara
      @Randarrradara 4 місяці тому

      @@malikkimanimaasai3703it’s natural, but if the mother was toxic, it will repeat the broken family cycle.

  • @angrybusinessmankillingthe6343
    @angrybusinessmankillingthe6343 2 роки тому +2484

    I'll tell ya one thing, and I'm not ashamed to say it. My estimation of David Chase as an artistic genius just fucking plummeted after I watched this movie.

    • @theboard3476
      @theboard3476 2 роки тому +305

      I wanted to watch all the seasons of sopranos, but I had to compromise. So I watched many saints of Newark instead.

    • @samlane5270
      @samlane5270 2 роки тому +87

      This isn't even looking at something with the benefit of hindsight, but the sopranos, whilst generally well written and very good at pushing the boundaries did at times have some glaring issues with both continuity and production. The most infamous cases being the decision to try and fx in the footage of Livia in season 3, the death of Jackie Junior, the hilarious recoil on guns etc. I rate David Chase as a showrunner but he is by no means flawless, I'm not quite sure why the drop in quality was even more significant for The Many Saints but he does have issues in terms of creating media regardless.

    • @excellenceinrecycling4093
      @excellenceinrecycling4093 2 роки тому +86

      It’s one of those times you wish he’d been more creative than Spielberg

    • @paulasoto126
      @paulasoto126 2 роки тому +8

      @@excellenceinrecycling4093 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @OlgaSmirnova1
      @OlgaSmirnova1 2 роки тому

      😂

  • @Will_kid_cortez
    @Will_kid_cortez 2 роки тому +749

    Why reveal Silvio was wearing a hair piece? That added nothing to the story. That was the most offensive part, the guy playing Silvio was bad

    • @davidcardenas4633
      @davidcardenas4633 2 роки тому +158

      That actor was terrible

    • @QWERTYOP80
      @QWERTYOP80 2 роки тому +43

      The guy playing Silvio was incredible 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @davidcardenas4633
      @davidcardenas4633 2 роки тому +27

      @@QWERTYOP80 his acting was shit

    • @littlea5111
      @littlea5111 2 роки тому +139

      He did a good impression of Silvio but the acting and writing was dog shit .. the second I saw Silvio I almost cried

    • @ATFADL
      @ATFADL 2 роки тому +50

      It's like somebody involved in the movie understood the things that made Steven Van Zandt's portayel of Silvio great, but had no clue how to actualy do it.

  • @stephensmith8316
    @stephensmith8316 Рік тому +63

    I realize the movie's focus was the Newark riots, but I think it was a major mistake to give a lot of focus of the film to Leslie Odom Jr's character and the black movement. While I get that it's a big part of the riots, I don't think many Sopranos fans cared about that aspect of the story and it was time that could've been better spent on developing the characters from the show better in the film than what ended up being in the film. Chase tried fitting too much into the movie and I think he ended up picking the wrong things to focus on, which made it a lackluster movie and disappointed fans of the show. And marketing it about young Tony was a misnomer as well, bordering on false advertising.

    • @LL-hc3zm
      @LL-hc3zm 7 місяців тому +10

      wokeness

  • @Sulihpoeht_Nam
    @Sulihpoeht_Nam 2 роки тому +74

    James’s son did a amazing job playing Tony, which is kinda of sad since he didn’t get enough screen time.

    • @carmenl163
      @carmenl163 2 місяці тому +1

      He has an entirely different vibe. I didn't buy it one second.

  • @trolltalwar
    @trolltalwar 2 роки тому +832

    one of my biggest issues is that many things we were told in the show did not match up at all with what was shown in the movie. there were severe continuity flaws that leads me to believe they forgot what they wrote for the show or they just didnt care. it was just inexcusable.
    how is silvio already in the mob and tonys a teenager still? the show established that silvio is maybe 2 or 3 years older than tony, and that he robbed the card game with tony and jackie and thats how they all got their start in the mob.
    in the show carmela says when she first started dating tony, she knew exactly who he was and what he was involved in. yet in the movie theyre dating before he was in the mob.
    when johnny put a bullet through livias hair, uncle june and his gumar were in the backseat. not dickie maltisanti
    how is christopher a toddler when tony is about 16-17 years old? the show established that chrissy was about 9 or 10 years younger than tony, and he used to follow tony S and tony B around uncle pats farm because he looked up to them and thought they were cool
    timeline got fucked up.
    i know theres a few more that i cant remember off the top of my head. id have to watch many saints again to remember them, but i dont want to waste my time like that. though i might one day anyway just to make a list of the continuity flaws.
    the movie should of been two or three 13 episode seasons. it should of focused on tonys relationship with his parents, dickie, and uncle june, as well as tonys early mob days (the card game, the first hit etc.). the young versions of characters like artie, janice, tony b, jackie, richie, feech, ralphie, sil, paulie, sal, carlo, bobby bacala junior and senior, the parisi brothers, carmela and christopher should of had prominent roles in this theoretical 2-3 season show. we should of been introduced to ercole dimeo.
    i wanted to see richie beat the piss out of rocco dimeo and take that jacket. i wanted to see tony, sil and jackie hold up that card game. i wanted to see tony and paulie wack willie overall. i wanted to see tony become a made man. i wanted to see tony b get arrested for that armed truck hijacking. i wanted to see bacala senior in his prime. there is SO MUCH that could of been done yet they did so little. they could of brought back the sopranos with a quality origin story of the whole crew in the form of a new series. they could of knocked this thing out of the park. but they didnt.
    the many saints of newark never had the makings of a varsity sopranos story

    • @riseanx
      @riseanx 2 роки тому +43

      Exactly. Very well said

    • @aleksisuuronen5969
      @aleksisuuronen5969 2 роки тому +30

      They just wanted to cram every known character in a movie and since they couldn't make a coherent story with it they just changed everything not caring about the continuity. Not saying they should've done that but it feels more like a thing where studio gives the greenlight when they have added enough of stuff that reminds of the series when they could've just made it more focused on Tony's father and Tony, how he is groomed to the gang life leaving Carmella and Christopher etc pretty much out of the story.

    • @Bunnsofsteel
      @Bunnsofsteel 2 роки тому +48

      I am rather disappointed in Chase for neglecting his own continuity so deeply. I know the original intention of this movie was to purely be a film about the Newark riots and HBO forced his hand to include the Soprano origin but my god he seemed to not even try to link up his own timelines from the show. It's hard for me to think of this film in canon in my own head, it just doesn't fit. This movie shouldn't have been made imo.

    • @ManuelRodriguez-mg8km
      @ManuelRodriguez-mg8km 2 роки тому +8

      Can’t lie … frankly I lived the movie when I watched it .. but I must say Iam a avid soprano nut!!! And you sir just humbled the fuck out of me … and put some many things into perspective… now idk how I feel about the film as a series would have been a lot better … fuck man my head is spinning right now … good shit tho

    • @Chickenpesto2468
      @Chickenpesto2468 2 роки тому +4

      Paulie barely looked older then him in the movie but he looks at least ten yearsnolder

  • @kaminsod4077
    @kaminsod4077 2 роки тому +1343

    The fundamental problem is Many Saints would've worked best as a mini series. Trying to cram three separate storylines into one film just isn't viable, there just isn't enough time to adequately flesh out all the involved characters.

    • @ck891
      @ck891 2 роки тому +59

      Serious!! Imagine how powerful the death of Dickies girlfriend would have been if we had like 6 hours worth of build up towards that.

    • @hgbugalou
      @hgbugalou 2 роки тому +29

      This. Should of been a TV show.

    • @buttersstotch601
      @buttersstotch601 2 роки тому +18

      Should’ve done what Irishman did

    • @valentinomiller6251
      @valentinomiller6251 2 роки тому +3

      To do so IS viable, but perhaps not with a 2-hour runtime. A film like this should have had at the very least an extra 30 minutes. I propose 3 hours.

    • @classicslayer456
      @classicslayer456 2 роки тому +9

      That's because chase's writing is best in a tv show format but he cant see that.

  • @SmelliestElm
    @SmelliestElm Рік тому +92

    The biggest issue of the film was clearly the insertion of Harold’s story line. Was super boring, had little to do with the sopranos and ultimately seemed like a “diversity” insert.
    Lack of focus was the biggest problem. Not the acting. Your right about Silvio and Paulie, those were terrible

    • @Letsplay222
      @Letsplay222 11 місяців тому +24

      Hard to believe that Harold is a David Chase character. All the Black characters in the Sopranos were colorful and memorable, even in their small roles. Harold is like a character out of a generic, woke Hollywood movie.

    • @latdamon3602
      @latdamon3602 10 місяців тому +8

      I said the same thing. After the movie ended and the whole Harold storyline sort of just ended and didn't really go anywhere, I surmised it was a "quota" thing. I get that the race riots were a defining part of that era in Newark, but it didn't really fit into a Sopranos story, and was shoehorned into the movie in "fatto a cazzo" fashion.

    • @Saint-su2se
      @Saint-su2se 8 місяців тому +9

      @@Letsplay222That’s the thing, Many Saints was a woke a movie.

    • @staten84
      @staten84 8 місяців тому +4

      It nothing to do with diversity or being woke. It was just bad writing. The script was just bad.

    • @Saint-su2se
      @Saint-su2se 8 місяців тому +8

      @@staten84 the movie was released in 2021. The year before that was the year the George Floyd Riots happened, if you think that’s coincidental then you’re naive.

  • @Bino8724
    @Bino8724 2 роки тому +18

    I honestly feel bad for David chase. He suffered a heart attack and wasn’t able to direct the film. I also read he was not getting along with the studio. I think this movie could have been better if David was in good health and wasn’t restrained by the guys in suits.

    • @staticcharm3808
      @staticcharm3808 7 місяців тому +6

      BS. You can't blame the suits. Blame Chase. Chase wanted to make a movie about the Newark riots. But no one cares about that. He then decided to attach it to a new Sopranos movie to get it made. He never wanted to make a movie about the Sopranos again. That is why the stupid Harold plot was the main part of the movie. But again, no one cares about Harold or the Newark riots. Chase butchered his entire timeline for this movie. Tony should have been a little kid in 1967. Chris should have been 9-10 years younger than Tony. Silvio was the same age as Tony, etc. Most of the Sopranos stuff was tacked on. If this was handled by anyone other than Chase it would have been a Sopranos movie and the audience would have been happy.

  • @PhilospherDjPsychologist24
    @PhilospherDjPsychologist24 2 роки тому +744

    Jr broke bread with Christopher, worked with him, looked him right in the eye every day, and Christopher never knew that Jr was the one that killed his father

    • @zerodarkthirty703
      @zerodarkthirty703 2 роки тому +277

      That is only if you let these present day thought criminals change the history of what was. Junior didn’t kill Dickie, and no amount of pig-slop strewn across the silver screen in 2021 is going to convince me otherwise. Guy laughs when he slips, and Junior has him murdered.. What, are we makin’ a western here?

    • @PhilospherDjPsychologist24
      @PhilospherDjPsychologist24 2 роки тому +42

      @@zerodarkthirty703 so he put a hit out on Tony, shot the guy, but Dickie Moltasanti, that's the line
      look man, you can love Jr all you want but we all know who wore the Dick in the Soprano Family
      Jr, never had the makings for a Varsity Dick

    • @jr28778
      @jr28778 2 роки тому +21

      @@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 the whole situation with him putting the hit out on Tony directly correlated with Junior's progression into dementia .. soo uhh yea, there's that

    • @PhilospherDjPsychologist24
      @PhilospherDjPsychologist24 2 роки тому +10

      @@jr28778 What, and you are going to blame First hit he put on Tony on Livia's Dementia

    • @jr28778
      @jr28778 2 роки тому +9

      @@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 actually in a way yeah it's implied that way in the show. The degradation of Livia and Junior's mental health checks right out as being a very realistic portrayal of people going senile / slipping into dementia. Especially when taking into account the fucked up lives the characters led when younger , the fact that they both weren't strangers to crime or murder, being entwined with the Mafia and all. The characters mental health states are actually a really big focus of the show and I would think that any real sopranos fan wouldn't even need to have this explained to them .
      The way your talking about it is almost as if you really have hatred in your heart for these characters on a TV show, the way your going on down here I'd swear this was some political video lol

  • @sallobo777
    @sallobo777 2 роки тому +118

    Let me tell you a couple of 3 things.
    Forget Silvio's hair.
    Forget Tony S who is in all the trailers but only has a cameo.
    Forget the twin Leotas.
    David Chase has no respect for this thing.
    6 great TV seasons and this 🐖 over in Hollywood.

    • @ResistanceQuest
      @ResistanceQuest 2 роки тому +7

      everyone says a "couple of 3 things." I always thought it was "a couple *or* 3 things." Am I crazy?

    • @soulsurfer639
      @soulsurfer639 Рік тому

      @@ResistanceQuest ua-cam.com/video/dqxJyKXZqyo/v-deo.html

    • @stefanpieper3757
      @stefanpieper3757 2 місяці тому

      You know that he says Pygmy-thing, right? As in, small compared to the five families. Nothing to do with swine.

    • @matthewhopkins4664
      @matthewhopkins4664 Місяць тому

      Whatever happened there??!!!

  • @pantonpg
    @pantonpg 2 роки тому +46

    I think The Irishman is a great film. It is grey, sober, realistic. I loved it.

    • @BBeowulf
      @BBeowulf Рік тому +10

      Garbage. Robert De Niro can’t act anymore, it’s his worst performance in any movie and one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen by a big actor.
      They should’ve got a younger actor to do the younger parts too, it was just so dumb they tried to make a 100 year old man be a man in his 30s. I laughed my ass off at that scene where he beats the guy who said something to his daughter.
      It could’ve been a decent movie but all those types of things just took me out of it completely and made it stupid. It’s Scorsese’s worst movie hands down.

    • @user-bu5nx5dl8t
      @user-bu5nx5dl8t 8 місяців тому

      @@BBeowulfI mean his first movie is probably his worst but I won’t give shit to that movie since at least that movie is enjoyable

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 6 місяців тому

      @@BBeowulf I do somewhat agree about De Niro and I definitely agree about the de-aging. But Joe Pesci does one of his best performances ever.

  • @DjIceCnS
    @DjIceCnS 2 роки тому +11

    80% of the sopranos success was the great acting from gandolfini. That man was discovered way to late and he certainly was gone too soon.

  • @buttersstotch601
    @buttersstotch601 2 роки тому +617

    I think Michael Gandolphini did the best he could with such little screen time. I think the relationship between him and Farmiga as Livia could’ve been great if they’d committed to it more.

    • @_BusterHighmen
      @_BusterHighmen 2 роки тому +14

      “…he never had the makings of a varsity actor” (small hands)

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 2 роки тому +30

      The writer and director are in charge of what we see, Michael did his best with their dog collar on him.

    • @captaindowntown7851
      @captaindowntown7851 2 роки тому +7

      Gandolfini*

    • @Playboyy1985
      @Playboyy1985 2 роки тому +4

      He’s just not an actor my dude. Don’t matter what the writers put in front of him

    • @ThyCorruptor
      @ThyCorruptor 2 роки тому +21

      @@Playboyy1985 He's definitely an actor. He had multiple roles in TV and movies before doing this one?

  • @pitajstaru4624
    @pitajstaru4624 2 роки тому +103

    that was real? I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit....

  • @usefulprogrammer9880
    @usefulprogrammer9880 2 роки тому +13

    Agree with everything besides the take on Michael gandolfini. He played the role of a pre mob Tony perfectly. And it makes perfect sense that he’d be the precursor to the Tony soprano post death of dicky. They just didn’t utilize Michael the way the plot should have. Makes me hopeful they use his youth to continue the series in some capacity. Nobody is going to play James other than his son.

  • @ClassicalMMAChef
    @ClassicalMMAChef 2 роки тому +11

    The centerpiece of the movie was supposed to be Michael Gandolfini as young Tony, which he had down to a T, yet he gets no screen time. My biggest issue is how the script goes in a million directions yet doesn’t develop any of them.

    • @jacobosullivan2018
      @jacobosullivan2018 Рік тому +1

      I loved watching Robert De Niro play a young man it was so believable....I couldn't believe he almost looked 58 it was unreal

    • @drogonmax8781
      @drogonmax8781 6 місяців тому

      @@jacobosullivan2018

  • @strykervenom1
    @strykervenom1 2 роки тому +255

    There was tons of inconsistencies with the character's age. Silvio as old as Paulie when Paulie told him "I go back to this family to John BEFORE you even!" Silvio was supposed to be a kid, because Tony revealed that he was part of his little crew (Tony, Silvio, Ralphie, etc) when they were kids. It was also said Junior would chase Silvio and Tony for spying on his card games. Tony was also a little kid during the riots. Remember that in Down Neck (Sopranos Season 2)?

    • @jacobbaird951
      @jacobbaird951 2 роки тому +17

      "When I was a kid, you were an old man. Now I'm old, and you're still old!"

    • @Garebeare
      @Garebeare 2 роки тому +7

      Silvio is older than tony but younger than paulie its very possible for someone to be older than a 16 year old and younger than 30 at the same time lmfao

    • @mikesnow4735
      @mikesnow4735 2 роки тому +4

      @@Garebeare tony talks about him Jackie Silvio being the same

    • @Garebeare
      @Garebeare 2 роки тому

      @@mikesnow4735 when i was in high school i hung around people in their 20s and that was just normal. Silvio is not that much older than tony in many saints hes clearly alot younger than Dickie and was close with Dickie and knew how close tony was to tony it makes sense to assume silvio gets closer to tony after Dickies death kinda taking over the mentor role but less like a mentor but more like an older brother I guess its not confirmed but if they make a spin off series i bet thats the direction itll take

    • @mikesnow4735
      @mikesnow4735 2 роки тому +8

      @@Garebeare what you mean he also talks about how they where gonna rob frach and how ralphie didn’t go and that’s how they where out on the fast train to being made in. The movie tony is not even friends with Silvio I get u like the movie but continuity sucks in the movie

  • @Buford_T_Justice1
    @Buford_T_Justice1 2 роки тому +104

    The Many Saints of Newark did not have the makings of a varsity movie.

  • @joshuajarod1909
    @joshuajarod1909 2 роки тому +12

    6:49 Audiences were treated to a confused teenager because that's who Tony Soprano was at that point in his life. He hadn't even made his bones by killing Willie Overall yet, let alone become a full blown Capo like he was at the start of The Sopranos series. I mean, consider that Tony still had aspirations to play football in this film, ( a semblance of retained innocence since he hadn't fully committed to La Cosa Nostra) by the time the Sopranos series started, those dreams were long dead.

  • @adamg2093
    @adamg2093 Рік тому +10

    The main problem with the movie is the age differences, Sil and Pussy should have been the same age as Tony (mentioned in several episodes) and Christopher was only less than 10 years younger than Tony (mentioned in the episode “cold cuts”) not about 16 years like in the movie

  • @ResistanceQuest
    @ResistanceQuest 2 роки тому +262

    One chance I'll give Michael is that apparently (according to Michael in an interview), the director kept telling him to back down on the edginess of his performance, saying "Tony hasn't become like that yet," which I feel is part of why his performance is a little muted

    • @JamesJJSMilton
      @JamesJJSMilton 2 роки тому +80

      Which is kinda fucking sad because his dad was *literally* Tony.

    • @PaulTheFranklin
      @PaulTheFranklin 2 роки тому +25

      You're 100% right. The narrator fails to recognize what he's watching. He critiques Michael Gandolfini as fan service, then points out the lack of anticipated fan service in the film. He talks about the movie he expected and glazes over what he's actually watching - a study of Tony's mentor and the parallels between them as adults. The kid was never meant to be the Tony we knew.

    • @Kingofsweaters
      @Kingofsweaters 4 місяці тому +2

      I feel like Michael was one of the only good parts of the whole film. They should have just done a young Toni miniseries, but Chase seemed to have a problem with Michael overall that feels unjustified. Clearly Chase had no idea what worked within his story

  • @robduke935
    @robduke935 2 роки тому +232

    I really was hoping to see Dickie take on the New England crew, a memory from Tony’s past he shares with Christopher when he becomes his driver again.

    • @teppler
      @teppler 2 роки тому +14

      He brought the war to them.

    • @westtexasburrito1106
      @westtexasburrito1106 2 роки тому +12

      Yea I was disappointed they didn't cover the new England crew that he took out.

    • @LuisRojas-mz2mg
      @LuisRojas-mz2mg 2 роки тому +6

      Loyal, your old man

    • @westtexasburrito1106
      @westtexasburrito1106 2 роки тому +6

      @@LuisRojas-mz2mg that was a great scene with Chris and Tony

    • @chibiromano5631
      @chibiromano5631 2 роки тому +9

      The new england crew consisted of Johnny Cakes.

  • @PureKino
    @PureKino 2 роки тому +4

    Great video! Really hope this isnt the last we see of the franchise

  • @glove8888
    @glove8888 2 роки тому +95

    They tried to make it a social justice movie about race relations instead of a Sopranos origin.

    • @joshhoward1289
      @joshhoward1289 Рік тому +23

      That’s what I thought too. Kinda sold out the Italians in the process.

    • @roccobavero332
      @roccobavero332 7 місяців тому

      Most people been selling us out for years. I live in BKLYN NY. for 44 years besides my time In the Army. Us Italian Americans are CONSTANTLY insulted. You can't say the N word. C word. S. Word. J word. And many more. However. Guinea. Wop Dago greaseball are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. SMH...

    • @marquisehicks2677
      @marquisehicks2677 7 місяців тому +3

      I mean If you from Newark you will understand shit lined up with time line movie

    • @marquisehicks2677
      @marquisehicks2677 7 місяців тому +2

      But it was social justice it was facts you think stuff ain’t happen like that in 67 Newark

    • @royale7620
      @royale7620 7 місяців тому

      @@marquisehicks2677 No US National Guard would peak through someone's window and say "let him go, he is white" thats just peak clown BLM woke agenda BS, none cares about their failed BS struggle, the civil rights were passed by 1965, why burn your own hood in 1967 like a total idiot?

  • @brendanmuller7301
    @brendanmuller7301 2 роки тому +196

    I feel like Michael did an alright job at a young tony. It made sense. Not sure how he'd do as an older tony but I'd like to see him as a young man.

    • @whitegluestick6039
      @whitegluestick6039 2 роки тому +10

      @horriblepancake it helps that he looks almost identical to him.

    • @ThyCorruptor
      @ThyCorruptor 2 роки тому +6

      @horriblepancake He discussed in an interview on the talking sopranos podcast about how he prepared for the role and how watching some of the scenes with his dead father were tough for him. It's an interesting listen.

  • @cerconefamily2912
    @cerconefamily2912 2 роки тому +116

    Chase always wanted to make a movie about the riots but knew that few people would see it....tie it to the Soprano name and bingo...a bunch of people saw a movie they didnt expect
    and the let down was inevitable.

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 2 роки тому +3

      let him go out to the West side of the country.

    • @n.b.l.5709
      @n.b.l.5709 Рік тому +8

      It was a dumb idea lol

    • @eatYoself
      @eatYoself Рік тому +16

      He killed his best work for some dumb movie nobody asked for.

    • @n.b.l.5709
      @n.b.l.5709 Рік тому

      @@eatYoself lol

  • @philleotardo8923
    @philleotardo8923 2 роки тому +16

    I must admit I was so so excited for this film from the moment it was announced but I've never been more disappointed in a film in my entire life.

    • @antiteroristickejedinicepo4830
      @antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 2 роки тому

      Phil I think you were mora disappointed because a couple of 3 things:
      Your brother Billy,Glorified crew and Vito?
      The movie is askew...it isn't at 12 o'clock.
      You should say to Chase:Next time...there won't be next time.

    • @antiteroristickejedinicepo4830
      @antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 2 роки тому

      You are also dissapointed cuz they didn't mentioned you and your brother...kid Billy.
      And more important thing...you going to can and how many years you did.

    • @Quzga
      @Quzga Рік тому

      20 years in the can was prob a better experience than watching this piece of crap

    • @dragos-ioancraciun9810
      @dragos-ioancraciun9810 Рік тому

      I heard they are making a sequel about Vinnie's teenage gay experiences, maybe you'll like that one more.

    • @AffectedArea
      @AffectedArea 6 місяців тому

      @@dragos-ioancraciun9810 AIDS?

  • @greg1474
    @greg1474 Рік тому +41

    As usual, in Hollywood, these days, having a diverse cast, script, and plot line was more important than producing a good film.

    • @billmarshall268
      @billmarshall268 10 місяців тому +8

      Yep, No revenge on herald? Are you kidding me?

    • @dolphwong
      @dolphwong 10 місяців тому +3

      Bingo

    • @Bad616
      @Bad616 8 місяців тому +4

      @@billmarshall268 also who cares about Harold in the first place

    • @billmarshall268
      @billmarshall268 8 місяців тому

      @Bad616 No one, I can't believe david chase took a knee to the woke mob.

    • @marquisehicks2677
      @marquisehicks2677 7 місяців тому

      @@Bad616ya mad Harold was g’d up

  • @nikobello101
    @nikobello101 2 роки тому +235

    The worst thing they did was not give joey diaz more screen time the whole time I was just like "oh hey it's Joey Diaz". Would love to know more bout his character

    • @frydza2091
      @frydza2091 2 роки тому +23

      Jon Bernthal too. I get he was doing time but they could've showed him and Dickies uncle doing time or at least when he got out

    • @nicksantoro144
      @nicksantoro144 2 роки тому +28

      Nooo man even how he said his lines , it was so inauthentic. When he said he was "Sicilian" was so cringe

    • @nikobello101
      @nikobello101 2 роки тому

      @@nicksantoro144 ohhhh u better watch yo mouf man I thought it was pretty kewl

    • @littlea5111
      @littlea5111 2 роки тому +22

      The second worse thing about this movie was Joey Diaz lines and screen time

    • @buttersstotch601
      @buttersstotch601 2 роки тому +7

      Literally took a google search to find out that Joey Diaz was playing Budha Bonpiensero, Pussys dad.

  • @theknifesong
    @theknifesong 2 роки тому +51

    Of course they had to shoehorn in an interracial sex scene between two characters that weren't even mentioned in the show where they could have had scenes with Tony doing literally anything.
    Hollywood moment

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 2 роки тому +1

      hollywood moment would have been underaged shineboxes....

    • @javiburgh4203
      @javiburgh4203 2 роки тому +19

      Woke Hollywood smfh. Movie was trash

    • @jorgefoyld8538
      @jorgefoyld8538 Рік тому +7

      *Hava nagila starts playing* 👏👃

    • @Wisdom-zv6zq
      @Wisdom-zv6zq Рік тому +4

      Hollywood moment because it's a black guy ok Yea alright

    • @theknifesong
      @theknifesong Рік тому +20

      @@Wisdom-zv6zq every hollywood movie needs to force in an interracial relationship, it had nothing to do with the events of the show and added nothing valuable to the movie

  • @Thermalburn
    @Thermalburn 2 роки тому +9

    My wife and I are really big sopranos fans, and both of us were rather disappointed after leaving the theater. What added to our disappointment was that this was the first movie we went out to see since covid, and being the parents of toddlers going out is a treat that requires a lot of planning (babysitter, etc) so we don't do it much. After leaving the theater, my wife mentioned "we should have just stayed at dinner and gotten another drink" lol.
    I was considering watching this movie again, thinking that maybe I just didnt "get it", and I probably will. This would have been an amazing 10 episode mini series though

  • @SuperCuttyBlackSow
    @SuperCuttyBlackSow 2 роки тому +13

    Michael was actually my favorite part of the movie I just want a movie with him with better material to work off of

  • @KidFresh71
    @KidFresh71 2 роки тому +73

    As a huge Sopranos fan, I wanted to love this movie so much. Sadly- I did not. Weird feeling of knowing the film was a disappointment, yet wanting to see more of these charters (HBO mini-series).

    • @maldor56
      @maldor56 Рік тому +1

      The actors were awesome that’s why you want too see a series. They got the mannerisms down pat. The writing and directing and story were the problem.

    • @Bad616
      @Bad616 8 місяців тому

      @@maldor56 We want a mini series with different actors cause they were almost all bad

  • @marchtotheblackqueen4942
    @marchtotheblackqueen4942 2 роки тому +37

    when me and my grandpa got done with the movie we both said at the same, "it was to short" and "it should of been an hbo mini series"

  • @user-ws7nq9xy1f
    @user-ws7nq9xy1f 2 роки тому +5

    Even as a stand alone film its a 2 or 3/10 then knowing its meant to be a prequel to the best mafia show ever made that makes it a 0/10

  • @BookshelfQBattler
    @BookshelfQBattler Рік тому +5

    I wanted one last season of the Sopranos that conclusively explained Tony’s fate. I compromised. I watched Many Saints of Newark while I ate grilled cheese off the radiator.

  • @cptsponko32
    @cptsponko32 2 роки тому +20

    The editing mistakes are the worst. There is a scene at a restaurant where Sylvio,dickie,junior and their goomahs. Syl tells his girl to leave his hair alone then completely disappears from the entire scene next shot. No explanation whatsoever!?

  • @TheFrostbite324
    @TheFrostbite324 2 роки тому +27

    I would’ve preferred a 3 hour Irishman style film detailing Tony’s life from adolescence til he’s a young adult.

    • @nicholaslu4069
      @nicholaslu4069 2 роки тому

      Plz the Irishman was also terrible.

    • @IntellectualSavior1
      @IntellectualSavior1 Рік тому +12

      @@nicholaslu4069 You're entitled to your wrong opinion

    • @guywithphone9222
      @guywithphone9222 Рік тому +3

      @@nicholaslu4069 the Irishman was good maybe not as good as Goodfellas but still a great movie.

    • @RC30019
      @RC30019 4 дні тому

      @@nicholaslu4069Lol your tweaking The Irishman is a banger a bit long yes but still a good movie.

  • @roopan1968
    @roopan1968 9 місяців тому +3

    I wanted to see Richie Aprile take the jacket from Rocco Di Meo. Cocksucker had the toughest reputation in Essex County.

  • @RazorShalom
    @RazorShalom 2 роки тому +10

    I have one question after watching the movie.... I'm confused on one part. Can anyone help me out..was Tony's teacher or principal trying to hint around to Liv sexually molesting Tony? Asking her if she crawled into bed with Tony one night...? The whole scene was weird and creepy. Felt like total molestation vibes. Wtf?

    • @HailIB
      @HailIB 2 роки тому +2

      I was wondering that as well.

    • @hotfudgecake
      @hotfudgecake Рік тому +4

      I took it to be one of the rare times Livia was actually a loving mother .. a simple time when maybe tony felt truly loved? didn't the movie say she was reading to him or something ? Haven't watched it in a year lol but I don't recall creepy vibes.
      The whole thing in the show was that Tony only wanted his mother's love / approval , so maybe one of the few times he felt that in childhood, stands out in his memory

  • @BudDylan
    @BudDylan 2 роки тому +45

    Anyone who played the sopranos console game knew this would be a cash grab

    • @commissary4196
      @commissary4196 2 роки тому

      That is right. Unfortunately something as big as the series was, anything related will have money as a huge motivating factor. As if Chase enjoys the story?

    • @TheEducatedTrucker
      @TheEducatedTrucker 2 роки тому

      I actually loved the game why does everyone hate it ???

    • @BudDylan
      @BudDylan 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheEducatedTrucker traditionally Carmine always said it was a glorified cash in .

    • @ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012
      @ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 2 роки тому

      Its written better than the movie

  • @chrisnethercott5360
    @chrisnethercott5360 2 роки тому +182

    It was so difficult after the movie... I sat there & thought about how many opportunities were missed, & it was heartbreaking. I don't a negative review, or claim to know more about big filmmaking than others. It was just that you think about how many people were so excited, & ultimately disappointed. It was a cash grab, & that was even more heartbreaking.

    • @mrs.herculepoirot7763
      @mrs.herculepoirot7763 2 роки тому +15

      Excellent analysis, I sat there stunned when it was over. They couldn't even bother to to be true to the shows timeline by having Pussy and Sil be so much older. Tony's dad was charming and well thought in the show and in the movie he was dreadful. I can't believe David Chase thought so little of his audience after all these years.

    • @Tiabliaj1989
      @Tiabliaj1989 2 роки тому +4

      I don't know Chase, but having written The Sopranos I give him enough respect that the sh*tshow that was MSON was not about the money...it was about the race riots. He wanted to do a movie based on the race riots and everybody around him said, "But what about a Sopranos movie? That'd be cooler!" MSON suffered as a movie because it wanted to fit too much into too small a time slot. if they'd done a mini-series, they could have worked the riots into the Sopranos world (believably).
      The same thing happened when AMC wanted to do a show based on the novel "The Terror" (which is also based on a RL incident). The writers of the show "The Terror" wanted to leave out the supernatural elements and focus on what actually happened, while otherwise following the novel...AMC basically turned around and told them the show wouldn't be made without the bear.

    • @jarrettbakersr
      @jarrettbakersr 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed!

    • @BBeowulf
      @BBeowulf Рік тому

      @@Tiabliaj1989if the terror is that series about the true story of those artic explorers who were searching for the northwestern passage, then that’s actually good even though they added a kind of supernatural horror element to it. Thanks for the reminder actually I wanted to watch that again.

    • @Tiabliaj1989
      @Tiabliaj1989 Рік тому

      @@BBeowulf Yessir that's the one. It's also a book (I wouldn't say don't read it, but you will likely hear that the author adds in way too many descriptions of female bush. Three is still three too many).
      Imo? Go show, then book. Or just watch the show twice. It's a bit hard to follow when all the characters are brownish-black haired white guys with the name "John" or "Ed" or "James" lol. I hope you enjoy it :D

  • @Nerdy_The_Punk
    @Nerdy_The_Punk 2 роки тому +3

    People forget even older Tony is not a tough guy with no faults. He is conflicted and struggles mentally. So I think showing him this way as a kid makes sense

  • @Michael15_25
    @Michael15_25 Рік тому +2

    The kid Tony actor did a great job. I’ve said my piece.

  • @Carnnabis2000
    @Carnnabis2000 2 роки тому +139

    Around 1:33, you called the Irishman a letdown, say what you what films like Many Saints, but the Irishman showed that one can still make good gangster movies even in 2019. (Yes i know the scene of De Niro kicking that dude is atrociously bad lol) but overall that movie is fantastic

    • @ant9072
      @ant9072 2 роки тому

      I like them both.

    • @cadesolivan6454
      @cadesolivan6454 2 роки тому +30

      @horriblepancake the whole point of the movie is that it’s old guys living out old glories

    • @Ryan88881
      @Ryan88881 2 роки тому +4

      I think some people just expected more "water-cooler moments" like say in Casino. Every scene of Casino and the Departed is riveting.

    • @acidsamurai3876
      @acidsamurai3876 2 роки тому +2

      He called the card counter a gangster film,what did you expect

    • @CommanderLongJohn
      @CommanderLongJohn 2 роки тому +12

      @horriblepancake Lmfao how old do you think the likes of Fat Tony Salerno/Russell Buffalino/Frank Sheeran/Jimmy Hoffa were back in the 1950's-70's? At the very beginning of the movie yeah they're supposed to be a *bit* younger (i.e. mid 30's-50's) but after that their age certainly plays in their favor, especially DeNiro who looked just like Frank Sheeran back in the late 60's/70's. Not saying it's all perfect or anything (like the CGI eyes were pretty bad), but it's a fantastic film.

  • @Need_Sleep240
    @Need_Sleep240 2 роки тому +57

    I think the films biggest detriment is that there’s too many stories Trying to be told in only a two hour timeframe. I really think if the film was another half hour or so longer, cut out Giuseppina and Harold, and put a bigger focus on the friendship between Tony and Dickie, we would have had a solid movie.

  • @vernefits1953
    @vernefits1953 7 місяців тому +1

    Excellent analysis

  • @taco2215
    @taco2215 2 роки тому +6

    I finished the movie the other day and I honestly believed this should have been a two part movie the first part about dickie and the second part about Tony after dickies death

  • @elcastor552
    @elcastor552 2 роки тому +59

    I thoroughly enjoyed the Irishman I didn’t know people thought it was a letdown. 100% better than Saints of Newark.

    • @thurstonhowelllll948
      @thurstonhowelllll948 2 роки тому +2

      the movie was just plain bad - no excuses

    • @ContextReallyMatters
      @ContextReallyMatters 2 роки тому +5

      Irishman was just okay to me. I wasn't as big on it as some people. Someone said it was better than Casino and I almost cursed them out.

    • @elcastor552
      @elcastor552 2 роки тому +1

      @@ContextReallyMatters lol yeah that’s a reach for sure

    • @iloveass8851
      @iloveass8851 Рік тому +6

      @@thurstonhowelllll948 It received pretty much universal critical acclaim. The only downside that I can think of is the de-ageing and runtime.

    • @iloveass8851
      @iloveass8851 Рік тому +4

      @@ContextReallyMatters I think it's better than Casino tbh. Scorcese has got a lot better at his work in the past few decades.

  • @derrillfloyd5571
    @derrillfloyd5571 2 роки тому +38

    Silvio seemed to be too old and what was focusing on the Harold character about?

    • @RealTalk720
      @RealTalk720 2 роки тому

      Silvio senior has the hairpiece. Silvio from the show was in the phone booth scene with carmilla and tony

    • @spoopyidk
      @spoopyidk 2 роки тому +4

      That was Jackie Aprile, not Silvio

    • @HandsomeTallAzn90
      @HandsomeTallAzn90 2 роки тому +11

      They made the movie too much about Harold and emphasis on the 1967 Newark Riots. If I wanted to watch a movie about a black gangster, American Gangster (Denzel Washington). A TV show about a legendary black gangster: "Godfather of Harlem" (Forest Whitaker). This movie was about Tony Soprano and his beginnings.

    • @derrillfloyd5571
      @derrillfloyd5571 2 роки тому +8

      @@HandsomeTallAzn90 If he wanted to do a movie about the ‘67 Newark riots I don’t understand why he didn’t just do a separate movie. He’s David Chase, he should, easily, be able to get anything wants made. He could have had Sopranos characters as cameos or minor characters in the film.

    • @HandsomeTallAzn90
      @HandsomeTallAzn90 2 роки тому +3

      @@derrillfloyd5571 100% Agree. They could have made a separate movie. And maybe do a crossover with the sopranos characters. But mixing the storylines. Just killed the film

  • @GracelessTarnished
    @GracelessTarnished Рік тому +2

    This movie showed that David Chase clearly lost interest in the world he created, the continuity errors alone are embarrassing. And they're not even minor errors, these are obvious to anyone who watched the show. I don't know if Chase was going senile or what but he clearly couldn't care less about the quality of the film. He should have had Terrance Winter or someone who still had passion for this world direct.

  • @christianmedoro9166
    @christianmedoro9166 Рік тому +1

    The Irishman was amazing imo. Also I don’t think Michael did a bad job I just think his character was written bad

  • @CoolHandLuke1117
    @CoolHandLuke1117 2 роки тому +16

    No Feech La Manna, Richie Aprile, Jerry Anastasia...most importantly Hesh Rabkin

    • @xokayb7l2
      @xokayb7l2 2 роки тому +3

      That was my issue. At least a scene. But this should make been a mini series. There wasn't enough time for what fans wanted to see and add a new story.

    • @nelsondx8054
      @nelsondx8054 2 роки тому +4

      Nah put Harold, who is he? Oh yea...never heard.

    • @javiburgh4203
      @javiburgh4203 2 роки тому +2

      @@nelsondx8054 exactly bruh. Whole movie was just another part of the woke agenda

  • @owenmccord5078
    @owenmccord5078 2 роки тому +22

    Disgrace to the legend of “John Gotti?”
    A lot to unravel there.

    • @xokayb7l2
      @xokayb7l2 2 роки тому +1

      I thought that was the Travolta movie. Lol

    • @cb3648
      @cb3648 2 роки тому +1

      I didn't think Travolta did a bad job of playing him, but the lower budget 1995 HBO movie with Armand Assante was more enjoyable, even with them messing up some of the details and casting the wrong actor for Sammy the Bull.

    • @ivycarrano8207
      @ivycarrano8207 8 місяців тому

      Armond Assante killed it playing Gotti .With did they need to do it again. I wouldn't watch Travolta no reason to.

  • @keithw453
    @keithw453 2 роки тому +2

    My immediate reaction to this movie was "what was the point of that?"

  • @montecarlo4294
    @montecarlo4294 2 роки тому +1

    I thought they would have at least touched on how Vito came to love firemen with handlebar mustaches LOL

  • @ck891
    @ck891 2 роки тому +62

    Did you really just say The Irishman was a let down?? Come on man… It was superb

    • @markusk1015
      @markusk1015 2 роки тому +3

      Aside from the one scene where de Niro is beating up the grocery clerk, I thought it was a good movie

    • @wildman8906
      @wildman8906 2 роки тому +1

      The Irishman was essentially the final ending of the mob genre. I say this in a good way, the whole movie was a huge analogy on the ending of the “life” and what the actual consequences and pain of it are. Anyone who truely looks at frank sheeran supposed telling (which could just be him puffing it up and makes it even sadder as he’s faking a legacy) his life story he has a terrible life. The life is what caused it. It is the final nail for the mob genre.

    • @wildman8906
      @wildman8906 2 роки тому

      Also black mass was pretty good imo, the plots decently realistic and the portrayal of Jimmy bulger was so spot onto what a guy like him is like. It’s a very dark and vicious movie which honestly leading up to the Irishman also just adds onto it.

    • @n.b.l.5709
      @n.b.l.5709 Рік тому +1

      Snore lol

    • @n.b.l.5709
      @n.b.l.5709 Рік тому

      @@markusk1015 lol

  • @rascollygo
    @rascollygo 2 роки тому +64

    THE IRISHMAN?? NOT A HIT!? That movie is absolutely great🥺

    • @robertherrera136
      @robertherrera136 2 роки тому +10

      Seriously, who the hell is saying the Irishman is a disappointment?

    • @CourtCjbLand
      @CourtCjbLand 2 роки тому +17

      If anything The Irishman is truly going to go down as the last great Mob movie.

    • @iphonemodDOTcom
      @iphonemodDOTcom 2 роки тому

      Danny de vito,s Hoffa was a nice movie, made around1992.Wasn't a box office smash, but some good storytelling, staying as close to the truth as it could. Plus it starred jack nicholson, what's not to like?

    • @jonnybirchyboy1560
      @jonnybirchyboy1560 2 роки тому +8

      “Absolutely great” lol is that the same movie where a geriatric DeNiro tried to act like a mob enforcer by shoving some guy through a glass window and kicking him like he just had his hip replaced? Haha, that movie was an embarrassment.

    • @Roughly182Eggs
      @Roughly182Eggs 2 роки тому +8

      @@jonnybirchyboy1560 you are right about that, but just nitpicking one flaw from an overall great movie doesn't make it bad. I just don't understand how someone can watch Frank's story and not feel bad for him by the end, even if he killed Hoffa (great portrayal by Al Pacino btw). The reviews are all good for it, the only reason it failed at the box office was because theatres didn't want to play it because some idiot producer planned to put it on streaming services less than a month later (they planned this before the movie premiered). Producers really dropped the ball on that one, they only got 8 mil at the box office lol

  • @namemcnamerton4249
    @namemcnamerton4249 2 роки тому +1

    8:12 and thats the problem right there.
    Chase has made it known that he hates fan service and more than likely sabotaged the movie on purpose.

  • @Wallyworld30
    @Wallyworld30 2 роки тому +11

    Say what you will about many Saint's of Newark it was great getting to see Ray Liotta in one last gangster appearance before he passed. RIP Ray Liotta!

  • @russsnyder2026
    @russsnyder2026 2 роки тому +35

    I treat it like The Godfather 3, it doesn’t count

    • @JayCity10
      @JayCity10 2 роки тому +3

      Al Pacino's scream in 3 was amazing. It was the highlight of the film.

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 2 роки тому +2

      G3 should be stricken from the record......

    • @Pauliewallnutts
      @Pauliewallnutts 2 роки тому +3

      compared to this dribble the godfather three is a classic.

  • @stonedage5087
    @stonedage5087 2 роки тому +21

    I agree with with the idea of not touching the sopranos legacy.
    Doesn't matter if it's a sequel, a prequel, a mini series about whatever, I don't care. Just don't mess with the original TV show.
    As for the movie itself, if you focus just on dickie moltisanti's character, I think it has depth enough to be an OK movie. Also, I believe there's interesting parallels between dickie, Tony and Christopher, I'll give that to the movie. But, good enough to make justice relatively to the original show? I don't think so, some things you're not suppose to touch, that's what I believe
    I really struggle to understanding why David chase doesn't choose to do basically everything that he wants to do. Literally, every platform would die to have David chase involved to do whatever he decides to do. EVERYTHING!
    why going back to the sopranos?

    • @valentinomiller6251
      @valentinomiller6251 2 роки тому +2

      Well, although I hated it, I really can't blame an artist for going back to an original work, if he thought he had something great to add to it; sometimes it does pay off. Unfortunately, Chase was wrong.

    • @jacksonellis2320
      @jacksonellis2320 2 роки тому

      Chances are (Chase even implied it in interviews) that Warner Bros. wouldn’t finance a movie exclusively about the 1967 Newark riots like he always wanted to make, it’s clear they pressured him to shoehorn a Sopranos prequel in his dream project and it shows.

    • @stonedage5087
      @stonedage5087 2 роки тому

      @@jacksonellis2320 eventually they convinced Chase that it was a good idea to turn the whole thing into a sopranos prequel. I don't think that chase just was in it for the money or anything. Still I think, chase can do pretty much everything he wants, warner bros, HBO, Netflix, whatever he decides to do, pretty much everybody will give him the green light.

  • @SubtlyAggressive
    @SubtlyAggressive 7 місяців тому +1

    I think Many Saints was trying too hard to be Breaking Bad's El Camino, when it should have been Better Call Saul

  • @jupiterrising887
    @jupiterrising887 Рік тому +1

    It's just a misunderstanding of expectations. Fans went to the movie expecting to see Tony's origin story. What they got was a Dickie Moltisanti movie.

  • @qwertyytrewq71
    @qwertyytrewq71 2 роки тому +9

    I mean there's good and there's not good.....this is NOT good!

  • @MomMom4Cubs
    @MomMom4Cubs 2 роки тому +29

    You know why I refused, rightly, to pay to see this movie? The movie is DOA from the dating. Teenage Tony is during the mid 1970's, not 1967. They dropped 8 years because woke.
    Gross
    As Sopranos fans, we certainly deserved better. No one broaches the fudging of the continuity in canon. Why not make a video about the poor decision to force the storyline about race and the decidedly negative impact on reception? Personally, I think it cheapens both stories.

    • @commissary4196
      @commissary4196 2 роки тому +1

      100%

    • @MrMiki300
      @MrMiki300 2 роки тому +1

      The timing was all off. Silvio was some 30yr old man who was bald, paulie who is supposed to be well older than Silvio is his same age and pussy who like Silvio is supposed to be the same age as Tony is some late 20s Mexican looking guy

    • @commissary4196
      @commissary4196 2 роки тому +3

      @@Shadow-gm9ct It was sufficiently explained

    • @mann536
      @mann536 Рік тому

      @@Shadow-gm9ct source literally the movie

  • @CZinDC
    @CZinDC Рік тому +2

    The Irishman wasn’t a let down… Lol Wtf it was nominated for numerous awards.

  • @bungle3912
    @bungle3912 7 місяців тому +1

    The Irishman wasn’t poorly received at all. It was nominated for Oscars.

  • @teejaye6226
    @teejaye6226 2 роки тому +8

    The problem with a new series showing Tony's youth is that we already know the arc of so many characters. Sil, Pauley, Pus, Carmella, etc etc.

  • @valentinomiller6251
    @valentinomiller6251 2 роки тому +14

    "INSTANTLY-FORGETTABLE" perfectly sums up this dreck. I also would have accepted "one-time watch", "filmic abortion", and the very apt, "MEH". Fortunately, for the creator of "Sopranos", I don't count this film as part of the shows legacy, the very same way that I discount the pointless-and-dull, "El Camino".

    • @benriffle104
      @benriffle104 2 роки тому +4

      Instantly forgettable is a perfect way of putting it. I remember almost nothing from it because it was so bad. Like Sandler's Jack and Jill movie, my mind has been wiped clean.

  • @joesmith8288
    @joesmith8288 3 місяці тому +1

    Mulignans freely entering Satriale's in the 60's🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @dikburdd2606
    @dikburdd2606 11 місяців тому +1

    As a fellow Italian, why did they have to have mooly sleep with his girl, why did they make it seem like moolies came in and took over at the end. I can't get passed the mooly stuff

  • @johnjohnjohnjohn921
    @johnjohnjohnjohn921 2 роки тому +19

    should've just been a movie about the newark riots that's clearly what they wanted to do

    • @joshhoward1289
      @joshhoward1289 Рік тому +4

      Agreed! Felt like they sold out the series to focus on an SJW agenda.

  • @DPK365
    @DPK365 2 роки тому +32

    I still hope that this is a start of some kind of miniseries to see the rise of Tony.....maybe they will do that and save this movie in some way.

    • @user-py6sy4zm1v
      @user-py6sy4zm1v 2 роки тому +6

      I pray with all my power this never happens. The series lived and died. I refuse to see this garbage cash grab. You want a new series write some fan fiction

    • @DPK365
      @DPK365 2 роки тому +1

      @@user-py6sy4zm1v wow well that is a strong opinion! Well I hope for a miniseries so the storyline could be better, but I don’t want it to suck

    • @davidcardenas4633
      @davidcardenas4633 2 роки тому +3

      There’s no saving it that movie is hot garbage

    • @jmgmarcus808
      @jmgmarcus808 2 роки тому

      Yeah' they can't "Mandolorian" their way out of this. The movie was shit.

  • @melvert33
    @melvert33 2 роки тому +6

    When Ray Liotta just turned up again in the film as his identical twin I knew it was only going to get worse.

  • @arslanmalik151
    @arslanmalik151 Рік тому +1

    The best part was Michael Gandolfini and Vera Farmiga and Ray Liotta . I didn't watch any reviews before watching the movie last night. The movie had two different stories in one . And how much the marketing had a good amount of Young Tony and Dickie . So I thought it was going to be forced on Tony Teenage story . The show tells us that Tony was good at football we didn't see him play. Only JR and his mom disagree with him . Only one scene of Carmela . And why not show Artie enter the world of cooking.

  • @TheValhalla1989
    @TheValhalla1989 2 роки тому +5

    The universe has so much potential and interest. You could do two more movies at least one the 80s and one in the 90s. Theres so many characters we still want to see more of Richie, Ralph, Hesh, Tony B, Johnny sack the list goes on.

  • @billmiller7800
    @billmiller7800 2 роки тому +5

    This was the most disappointing movie I’ve ever seen in my 61 years. What the hell were they thinking?? I watched it and the only thing I can remember is how bad Rays new face is? He is rivaling Micky Rourkr!

  • @IguanaMassacre
    @IguanaMassacre 2 роки тому +1

    Who knew people's outrageous expectations for perfection would've been disappointed? No one could've predicted that

  • @jaredwatt8769
    @jaredwatt8769 8 місяців тому +1

    Really thought Tony was gonna be who killed Dickie. Wouldve been a nice little twist

  • @Tiabliaj1989
    @Tiabliaj1989 2 роки тому +13

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - if the trailer hadn't baited people into thinking it was about Tony at least one segment of the dissatisfied crowd would have been happy. Hollywood needs to go back to honest trailers.

    • @benriffle104
      @benriffle104 2 роки тому +3

      Exactly. The trailers made it seem like we were going to get a movie about how Tony got his feet wet into the mob with Dickie mentoring him.

    • @Tiabliaj1989
      @Tiabliaj1989 2 роки тому

      @@benriffle104 The scene in the kitchen (in MSON) really clarified that feeling in me - it was such a throwback to the first time I saw S1E1 and here's Tony buying a stereo for a broken record all those years ago.
      A movie starring Vera and Michael would be a swell apology for deceiving us with the MSON trailer imo ;)

    • @davidmartinez52420
      @davidmartinez52420 2 роки тому

      Couldn't agree more

    • @BBeowulf
      @BBeowulf Рік тому

      Absolutely nobody would’ve watched it if they told the truth, that it wasn’t a mob movie about the origins of the De Meo crew or Tony.
      It was just some race baiting garbage released at a very convenient time with all the BLM riots.

    • @etangbose4755
      @etangbose4755 6 місяців тому +1

      Fr, its chrissys story, but if we knew it was then people would love it. But we where told it was tonys story, told to expect something different so we were all disappointed. After knowing what it is as a chrissy origin i like it alot more

  • @jimbrey1138
    @jimbrey1138 2 роки тому +6

    Agree with your overall assessment of the movie however I think Michael G was one of the best performers in the movie. Slurred lines don’t stand out to me compared to the way he conveyed young Tony’s pathos and attempts to maintain loving relationships with his mom and uncles. I look forward to seeing another Michael Gandolfini version of young Tony. He was really good.

  • @Namless_Namek
    @Namless_Namek Рік тому +1

    This movie felt like it was written and directed by Christopher Moltisanti

  • @pestell02
    @pestell02 9 місяців тому +1

    The film was not centered on Tony Soprano. It was centered on Dickey Moltisanti. The name Moltisanti means "many saints."

  • @n.dhingra7765
    @n.dhingra7765 2 роки тому +42

    I think Chase wanted to tell an anti-origin story. There's no grand operatic moment when Tony chooses damnation. Instead, as Uncle Sally says, "Pain comes from always wanting things," even family, because "It's the wanting." Tony becomes himself because he wants to save his mentally ill mother and mistakes Dickie Moltisanti for a redemptive figure. So, a mischievous kid who reads Ivanhoe stays in New Jersey and becomes a gangster, romanticizing a bygone world of the mob that was just ordinary, imagining himself as a good guy--like his Uncle Dickie.
    I get that this film is not exciting. But it has a deep sadness to it that Scorsese only achieved in the last part of The Irishman, I think.

    • @MichaelGiordano777
      @MichaelGiordano777 2 роки тому +22

      Charles Schwab over here.....

    • @n.dhingra7765
      @n.dhingra7765 2 роки тому +14

      @@MichaelGiordano777 So that's it. No leeway, no compromise, just stupid fuckin' jokes.

    • @thedreadlord2156
      @thedreadlord2156 2 роки тому +1

      Yes, I agree with you on the pathos aspects. There is a deep sense of sadness in this film, as if the characters cling to their Catholicism and the traditions of La Cosa Nostra to save them from drowning in nihilism. I don't think TMSofN was a bad film, but Chase told a story that didn't mesh with the expectations of many fans. I thought Michael Gandolfini did an excellent job of portraying Tony's vulnerabilities, his comedic gift, and inherent sweetness, traits, that were crucial in making him a conflicted anti-hero. You love Tony because you can identify with him. Alessandro Nivola, Ray Liotta, and Vera Farmiga (sp?) were incredible. The film wasn't perfect, but it had a lot to live up to, since most of the people watching it have (or once had) a parasocial relationship with The Sopranos cast, myself included. I own the entire series and I like to watch it while I knit. I think TMSofN would have been a better limited series and like most everyone who commented, I would have liked Chase to have explored The Uprising of '83, the defection of Fabian Petrillio (sp?) , the taking down of Feech's game and some of Janice's backstory, like Harpo's birth and her abandonment of him. One thing that bugged me about the film was the chronology, which was out of synch. Example: James Gandolfini was born in September of 1961. The character of Tony Soprano was born ca. 1959-1961. In Tony's coma dream, Kevin Finnerty's driver's license shows a 1959 birthdate. When Johnny Boy's comare (played by Polly Bergen in the episode "In Camelot") tells Tony about her one-night-stand with JFK, Tony says he was in grammar school in November of 1963. Yet, in "Mayham," when the police are questioning Carmela about Junior's references to Jack Ruby and the theory that the mob clipped JFK, she replies, "my husband was three years old at that time." There are several similar inconsistencies in the Sopranos series, things you probably wouldn't pick up on unless you watch it while you're knitting. But what bugged me about the movie is the glaring implausibility that a high-school aged Tony could have held a toddler version of Christopher Moltisanti, who was born in 1969. If we estimate Little Chrissy at 2 years old in the scene where Michael Gandolfini holds him, Tony couldn't have been more than twelve years old. The only thing I really hated about the film was the untruthful marketing.

    • @spankg888
      @spankg888 2 роки тому

      Matrix 4, sopranos, the last of us 2... maybe writers should stop trying to be subversive all the time

    • @n.dhingra7765
      @n.dhingra7765 2 роки тому

      @@thedreadlord2156 You have a lot of good ideas here. The chronology is difficult to figure out. It's possible that the movie is being told posthumously by Christopher, who's an unreliable narrator. For instance, the film suggests that Dickie may be imagining Uncle Sally without confirming it.

  • @davethomas543
    @davethomas543 2 роки тому +24

    It was a complete and total insult to everything that was Sopranos. But hey David made it so it was his to kill. Disgraceful

    • @mjisthegoat88
      @mjisthegoat88 2 роки тому

      Frankly I’m depressed and ashamed

  • @korlu01
    @korlu01 2 роки тому +1

    I literally have no idea wtf these writers were thinking. Like literally no idea. Did they get together in a room and go “hey you know what, instead of dramatizing the raid on Feech’s card game in this prequel, let’s instead just show Tony steal ice cream and hand it out to kids.” Yeah…. A real fan pleaser! 💨

  • @brown1winz655
    @brown1winz655 7 місяців тому

    I agree with you on everything except for what you said about the actor playing Silvio doing an impression because during the show Silvio seemed like he was doing a al Pacino impression

  • @jayr3381
    @jayr3381 2 роки тому +3

    I called it. Knew this movie was gonna tank just from the previews alone.

  • @epicgamermax7204
    @epicgamermax7204 Рік тому +3

    My family watched this together, we just didn’t know what the plot was. Who the black guy was and what he was doing in the film (idk who or what his name is) and the other forgettable characters

  • @Sirrizz
    @Sirrizz 2 роки тому +1

    Michael Gandolfini nailed the part of Tony but for like 80% of the runtime I was thinking "where the fuck is he?" It honestly felt like the entire movie was made just to have that closing scene where Dickie and Tony make that pinky promise to the soundtrack of The Sopranos. It was an origin story that ended before we got to see what we watched the movie for. I understand Jr can come across as petty but are we supposed to believe he had Christopher's father murdered because he laughed at him for falling down some steps????

  • @theadventurelore
    @theadventurelore 2 роки тому +1

    Well alot of people are upset about the movie being about Dickie moltisanti and not Tony, but title tells you exactly what it's about. Many saints of Newark. Moltisanti translates to many saints.

  • @Gabriel-wn6oc
    @Gabriel-wn6oc 2 роки тому +8

    Skip the civil rights bullshit, skip the chick from Sicilia or Napole or whatever the fuck and focus on Tony and his mickey mouse crew, build a story aroud that.

  • @kenhawthorne23
    @kenhawthorne23 2 роки тому +3

    I think that Gandolphini did a great job.
    The woman who played Livia did a great job, but The guy who played Junior sucked, also I agree with everything you said about sil, pussy, & Paulie
    It felt like those actors were dong impressions instead of acting.

  • @PanikedReactions
    @PanikedReactions Рік тому

    Tried rewatching this a few times. Couldn’t make it through it.

  • @logger22
    @logger22 9 днів тому

    Imagine if Better Call Saul was made into a movie instead of its own show and it focused only on Kim Wexler and 10% of the movie had Jimmy, Mike, and Gus.