Everything Wrong With The Many Saints of Newark - Soprano Theories
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While I did enjoy The Many Saints of Newark and being back brought into The Sopranos' universe after almost fifteen years. The Many Saints of Newark isn't considered a true mafia classic like the media set it out to be. Here's what I believe to be everything wrong with The Many Saints of Newark, a film that has The Sopranos' legacy attached to its average name.
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A hit is a hit, and this my friend is not a hit...
Godfather 3 - now that was a hit! A lot of people didn't like it. But I think it was just misunderstood.
Both awful movies
There’s good and there isn’t good, this is not good.
Hahahaba!
WHY?
They guys playing Sil, Paulie, and Puss were like second-rate Sopranos impersonators hired for the opening of a pizzeria in a suburban mall.
Dumb take.
I think they did okay.
I thought the guy that played Sil did pretty good.just didn't understand he was that much older than Tony
If he wouldn't of acted like Sil at all then ppl would of criticized that too..no win for these guys playing the younger versions lol
Bro the guy that played Sil was spot on.
I knew I was in for a bad time when Ray Liotta gets killed 10 mins into the movie only to reappear in jail......as a "twin" 🤨
That happens in The Sopranos....
Pat parsi is a twin. Same actor plays both.
@@michaelross1452 Also with the cusimono sisters, patsi and tony Bs kids
The DeMeo family is the mafia crew with the most twins in the history of the United States.
Pilly leotardo
I thought it was a fucking flashback and when they did the twin thing I laughed so hard, it became a comedy at that point to me, a 'so bad it's good' movie lol when Johnny shoots Liv through the fucking hair like something out of a looney tunes cartoon it fucking solidified it as one of the best mob satires of all time for me.
What freaked me out about this movie, was how much they made Livia look like Carmlla.
I saw that 2
Some Edipo type o shit
I was thinking about that the whole time. Even took me out of some scenes completely.
Well, boys look 4 mother types...Odepus Complex...its real...
@@malikkimanimaasai3703it’s natural, but if the mother was toxic, it will repeat the broken family cycle.
I'll tell ya one thing, and I'm not ashamed to say it. My estimation of David Chase as an artistic genius just fucking plummeted after I watched this movie.
I wanted to watch all the seasons of sopranos, but I had to compromise. So I watched many saints of Newark instead.
This isn't even looking at something with the benefit of hindsight, but the sopranos, whilst generally well written and very good at pushing the boundaries did at times have some glaring issues with both continuity and production. The most infamous cases being the decision to try and fx in the footage of Livia in season 3, the death of Jackie Junior, the hilarious recoil on guns etc. I rate David Chase as a showrunner but he is by no means flawless, I'm not quite sure why the drop in quality was even more significant for The Many Saints but he does have issues in terms of creating media regardless.
It’s one of those times you wish he’d been more creative than Spielberg
@@excellenceinrecycling4093 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
Why reveal Silvio was wearing a hair piece? That added nothing to the story. That was the most offensive part, the guy playing Silvio was bad
That actor was terrible
The guy playing Silvio was incredible 🤷🏻♂️
@@QWERTYOP80 his acting was shit
He did a good impression of Silvio but the acting and writing was dog shit .. the second I saw Silvio I almost cried
It's like somebody involved in the movie understood the things that made Steven Van Zandt's portayel of Silvio great, but had no clue how to actualy do it.
I realize the movie's focus was the Newark riots, but I think it was a major mistake to give a lot of focus of the film to Leslie Odom Jr's character and the black movement. While I get that it's a big part of the riots, I don't think many Sopranos fans cared about that aspect of the story and it was time that could've been better spent on developing the characters from the show better in the film than what ended up being in the film. Chase tried fitting too much into the movie and I think he ended up picking the wrong things to focus on, which made it a lackluster movie and disappointed fans of the show. And marketing it about young Tony was a misnomer as well, bordering on false advertising.
wokeness
James’s son did a amazing job playing Tony, which is kinda of sad since he didn’t get enough screen time.
He has an entirely different vibe. I didn't buy it one second.
one of my biggest issues is that many things we were told in the show did not match up at all with what was shown in the movie. there were severe continuity flaws that leads me to believe they forgot what they wrote for the show or they just didnt care. it was just inexcusable.
how is silvio already in the mob and tonys a teenager still? the show established that silvio is maybe 2 or 3 years older than tony, and that he robbed the card game with tony and jackie and thats how they all got their start in the mob.
in the show carmela says when she first started dating tony, she knew exactly who he was and what he was involved in. yet in the movie theyre dating before he was in the mob.
when johnny put a bullet through livias hair, uncle june and his gumar were in the backseat. not dickie maltisanti
how is christopher a toddler when tony is about 16-17 years old? the show established that chrissy was about 9 or 10 years younger than tony, and he used to follow tony S and tony B around uncle pats farm because he looked up to them and thought they were cool
timeline got fucked up.
i know theres a few more that i cant remember off the top of my head. id have to watch many saints again to remember them, but i dont want to waste my time like that. though i might one day anyway just to make a list of the continuity flaws.
the movie should of been two or three 13 episode seasons. it should of focused on tonys relationship with his parents, dickie, and uncle june, as well as tonys early mob days (the card game, the first hit etc.). the young versions of characters like artie, janice, tony b, jackie, richie, feech, ralphie, sil, paulie, sal, carlo, bobby bacala junior and senior, the parisi brothers, carmela and christopher should of had prominent roles in this theoretical 2-3 season show. we should of been introduced to ercole dimeo.
i wanted to see richie beat the piss out of rocco dimeo and take that jacket. i wanted to see tony, sil and jackie hold up that card game. i wanted to see tony and paulie wack willie overall. i wanted to see tony become a made man. i wanted to see tony b get arrested for that armed truck hijacking. i wanted to see bacala senior in his prime. there is SO MUCH that could of been done yet they did so little. they could of brought back the sopranos with a quality origin story of the whole crew in the form of a new series. they could of knocked this thing out of the park. but they didnt.
the many saints of newark never had the makings of a varsity sopranos story
Exactly. Very well said
They just wanted to cram every known character in a movie and since they couldn't make a coherent story with it they just changed everything not caring about the continuity. Not saying they should've done that but it feels more like a thing where studio gives the greenlight when they have added enough of stuff that reminds of the series when they could've just made it more focused on Tony's father and Tony, how he is groomed to the gang life leaving Carmella and Christopher etc pretty much out of the story.
I am rather disappointed in Chase for neglecting his own continuity so deeply. I know the original intention of this movie was to purely be a film about the Newark riots and HBO forced his hand to include the Soprano origin but my god he seemed to not even try to link up his own timelines from the show. It's hard for me to think of this film in canon in my own head, it just doesn't fit. This movie shouldn't have been made imo.
Can’t lie … frankly I lived the movie when I watched it .. but I must say Iam a avid soprano nut!!! And you sir just humbled the fuck out of me … and put some many things into perspective… now idk how I feel about the film as a series would have been a lot better … fuck man my head is spinning right now … good shit tho
Paulie barely looked older then him in the movie but he looks at least ten yearsnolder
The fundamental problem is Many Saints would've worked best as a mini series. Trying to cram three separate storylines into one film just isn't viable, there just isn't enough time to adequately flesh out all the involved characters.
Serious!! Imagine how powerful the death of Dickies girlfriend would have been if we had like 6 hours worth of build up towards that.
This. Should of been a TV show.
Should’ve done what Irishman did
To do so IS viable, but perhaps not with a 2-hour runtime. A film like this should have had at the very least an extra 30 minutes. I propose 3 hours.
That's because chase's writing is best in a tv show format but he cant see that.
The biggest issue of the film was clearly the insertion of Harold’s story line. Was super boring, had little to do with the sopranos and ultimately seemed like a “diversity” insert.
Lack of focus was the biggest problem. Not the acting. Your right about Silvio and Paulie, those were terrible
Hard to believe that Harold is a David Chase character. All the Black characters in the Sopranos were colorful and memorable, even in their small roles. Harold is like a character out of a generic, woke Hollywood movie.
I said the same thing. After the movie ended and the whole Harold storyline sort of just ended and didn't really go anywhere, I surmised it was a "quota" thing. I get that the race riots were a defining part of that era in Newark, but it didn't really fit into a Sopranos story, and was shoehorned into the movie in "fatto a cazzo" fashion.
@@Letsplay222That’s the thing, Many Saints was a woke a movie.
It nothing to do with diversity or being woke. It was just bad writing. The script was just bad.
@@staten84 the movie was released in 2021. The year before that was the year the George Floyd Riots happened, if you think that’s coincidental then you’re naive.
I honestly feel bad for David chase. He suffered a heart attack and wasn’t able to direct the film. I also read he was not getting along with the studio. I think this movie could have been better if David was in good health and wasn’t restrained by the guys in suits.
BS. You can't blame the suits. Blame Chase. Chase wanted to make a movie about the Newark riots. But no one cares about that. He then decided to attach it to a new Sopranos movie to get it made. He never wanted to make a movie about the Sopranos again. That is why the stupid Harold plot was the main part of the movie. But again, no one cares about Harold or the Newark riots. Chase butchered his entire timeline for this movie. Tony should have been a little kid in 1967. Chris should have been 9-10 years younger than Tony. Silvio was the same age as Tony, etc. Most of the Sopranos stuff was tacked on. If this was handled by anyone other than Chase it would have been a Sopranos movie and the audience would have been happy.
Jr broke bread with Christopher, worked with him, looked him right in the eye every day, and Christopher never knew that Jr was the one that killed his father
That is only if you let these present day thought criminals change the history of what was. Junior didn’t kill Dickie, and no amount of pig-slop strewn across the silver screen in 2021 is going to convince me otherwise. Guy laughs when he slips, and Junior has him murdered.. What, are we makin’ a western here?
@@zerodarkthirty703 so he put a hit out on Tony, shot the guy, but Dickie Moltasanti, that's the line
look man, you can love Jr all you want but we all know who wore the Dick in the Soprano Family
Jr, never had the makings for a Varsity Dick
@@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 the whole situation with him putting the hit out on Tony directly correlated with Junior's progression into dementia .. soo uhh yea, there's that
@@jr28778 What, and you are going to blame First hit he put on Tony on Livia's Dementia
@@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 actually in a way yeah it's implied that way in the show. The degradation of Livia and Junior's mental health checks right out as being a very realistic portrayal of people going senile / slipping into dementia. Especially when taking into account the fucked up lives the characters led when younger , the fact that they both weren't strangers to crime or murder, being entwined with the Mafia and all. The characters mental health states are actually a really big focus of the show and I would think that any real sopranos fan wouldn't even need to have this explained to them .
The way your talking about it is almost as if you really have hatred in your heart for these characters on a TV show, the way your going on down here I'd swear this was some political video lol
Let me tell you a couple of 3 things.
Forget Silvio's hair.
Forget Tony S who is in all the trailers but only has a cameo.
Forget the twin Leotas.
David Chase has no respect for this thing.
6 great TV seasons and this 🐖 over in Hollywood.
everyone says a "couple of 3 things." I always thought it was "a couple *or* 3 things." Am I crazy?
@@ResistanceQuest ua-cam.com/video/dqxJyKXZqyo/v-deo.html
You know that he says Pygmy-thing, right? As in, small compared to the five families. Nothing to do with swine.
Whatever happened there??!!!
I think The Irishman is a great film. It is grey, sober, realistic. I loved it.
Garbage. Robert De Niro can’t act anymore, it’s his worst performance in any movie and one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen by a big actor.
They should’ve got a younger actor to do the younger parts too, it was just so dumb they tried to make a 100 year old man be a man in his 30s. I laughed my ass off at that scene where he beats the guy who said something to his daughter.
It could’ve been a decent movie but all those types of things just took me out of it completely and made it stupid. It’s Scorsese’s worst movie hands down.
@@BBeowulfI mean his first movie is probably his worst but I won’t give shit to that movie since at least that movie is enjoyable
@@BBeowulf I do somewhat agree about De Niro and I definitely agree about the de-aging. But Joe Pesci does one of his best performances ever.
80% of the sopranos success was the great acting from gandolfini. That man was discovered way to late and he certainly was gone too soon.
I think Michael Gandolphini did the best he could with such little screen time. I think the relationship between him and Farmiga as Livia could’ve been great if they’d committed to it more.
“…he never had the makings of a varsity actor” (small hands)
The writer and director are in charge of what we see, Michael did his best with their dog collar on him.
Gandolfini*
He’s just not an actor my dude. Don’t matter what the writers put in front of him
@@Playboyy1985 He's definitely an actor. He had multiple roles in TV and movies before doing this one?
that was real? I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit....
Agree with everything besides the take on Michael gandolfini. He played the role of a pre mob Tony perfectly. And it makes perfect sense that he’d be the precursor to the Tony soprano post death of dicky. They just didn’t utilize Michael the way the plot should have. Makes me hopeful they use his youth to continue the series in some capacity. Nobody is going to play James other than his son.
The centerpiece of the movie was supposed to be Michael Gandolfini as young Tony, which he had down to a T, yet he gets no screen time. My biggest issue is how the script goes in a million directions yet doesn’t develop any of them.
I loved watching Robert De Niro play a young man it was so believable....I couldn't believe he almost looked 58 it was unreal
@@jacobosullivan2018
There was tons of inconsistencies with the character's age. Silvio as old as Paulie when Paulie told him "I go back to this family to John BEFORE you even!" Silvio was supposed to be a kid, because Tony revealed that he was part of his little crew (Tony, Silvio, Ralphie, etc) when they were kids. It was also said Junior would chase Silvio and Tony for spying on his card games. Tony was also a little kid during the riots. Remember that in Down Neck (Sopranos Season 2)?
"When I was a kid, you were an old man. Now I'm old, and you're still old!"
Silvio is older than tony but younger than paulie its very possible for someone to be older than a 16 year old and younger than 30 at the same time lmfao
@@Garebeare tony talks about him Jackie Silvio being the same
@@mikesnow4735 when i was in high school i hung around people in their 20s and that was just normal. Silvio is not that much older than tony in many saints hes clearly alot younger than Dickie and was close with Dickie and knew how close tony was to tony it makes sense to assume silvio gets closer to tony after Dickies death kinda taking over the mentor role but less like a mentor but more like an older brother I guess its not confirmed but if they make a spin off series i bet thats the direction itll take
@@Garebeare what you mean he also talks about how they where gonna rob frach and how ralphie didn’t go and that’s how they where out on the fast train to being made in. The movie tony is not even friends with Silvio I get u like the movie but continuity sucks in the movie
The Many Saints of Newark did not have the makings of a varsity movie.
Small hands, that’s his problem
6:49 Audiences were treated to a confused teenager because that's who Tony Soprano was at that point in his life. He hadn't even made his bones by killing Willie Overall yet, let alone become a full blown Capo like he was at the start of The Sopranos series. I mean, consider that Tony still had aspirations to play football in this film, ( a semblance of retained innocence since he hadn't fully committed to La Cosa Nostra) by the time the Sopranos series started, those dreams were long dead.
The main problem with the movie is the age differences, Sil and Pussy should have been the same age as Tony (mentioned in several episodes) and Christopher was only less than 10 years younger than Tony (mentioned in the episode “cold cuts”) not about 16 years like in the movie
One chance I'll give Michael is that apparently (according to Michael in an interview), the director kept telling him to back down on the edginess of his performance, saying "Tony hasn't become like that yet," which I feel is part of why his performance is a little muted
Which is kinda fucking sad because his dad was *literally* Tony.
You're 100% right. The narrator fails to recognize what he's watching. He critiques Michael Gandolfini as fan service, then points out the lack of anticipated fan service in the film. He talks about the movie he expected and glazes over what he's actually watching - a study of Tony's mentor and the parallels between them as adults. The kid was never meant to be the Tony we knew.
I feel like Michael was one of the only good parts of the whole film. They should have just done a young Toni miniseries, but Chase seemed to have a problem with Michael overall that feels unjustified. Clearly Chase had no idea what worked within his story
I really was hoping to see Dickie take on the New England crew, a memory from Tony’s past he shares with Christopher when he becomes his driver again.
He brought the war to them.
Yea I was disappointed they didn't cover the new England crew that he took out.
Loyal, your old man
@@LuisRojas-mz2mg that was a great scene with Chris and Tony
The new england crew consisted of Johnny Cakes.
Great video! Really hope this isnt the last we see of the franchise
They tried to make it a social justice movie about race relations instead of a Sopranos origin.
That’s what I thought too. Kinda sold out the Italians in the process.
Most people been selling us out for years. I live in BKLYN NY. for 44 years besides my time In the Army. Us Italian Americans are CONSTANTLY insulted. You can't say the N word. C word. S. Word. J word. And many more. However. Guinea. Wop Dago greaseball are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. SMH...
I mean If you from Newark you will understand shit lined up with time line movie
But it was social justice it was facts you think stuff ain’t happen like that in 67 Newark
@@marquisehicks2677 No US National Guard would peak through someone's window and say "let him go, he is white" thats just peak clown BLM woke agenda BS, none cares about their failed BS struggle, the civil rights were passed by 1965, why burn your own hood in 1967 like a total idiot?
I feel like Michael did an alright job at a young tony. It made sense. Not sure how he'd do as an older tony but I'd like to see him as a young man.
@horriblepancake it helps that he looks almost identical to him.
@horriblepancake He discussed in an interview on the talking sopranos podcast about how he prepared for the role and how watching some of the scenes with his dead father were tough for him. It's an interesting listen.
Chase always wanted to make a movie about the riots but knew that few people would see it....tie it to the Soprano name and bingo...a bunch of people saw a movie they didnt expect
and the let down was inevitable.
let him go out to the West side of the country.
It was a dumb idea lol
He killed his best work for some dumb movie nobody asked for.
@@eatYoself lol
I must admit I was so so excited for this film from the moment it was announced but I've never been more disappointed in a film in my entire life.
Phil I think you were mora disappointed because a couple of 3 things:
Your brother Billy,Glorified crew and Vito?
The movie is askew...it isn't at 12 o'clock.
You should say to Chase:Next time...there won't be next time.
You are also dissapointed cuz they didn't mentioned you and your brother...kid Billy.
And more important thing...you going to can and how many years you did.
20 years in the can was prob a better experience than watching this piece of crap
I heard they are making a sequel about Vinnie's teenage gay experiences, maybe you'll like that one more.
@@dragos-ioancraciun9810 AIDS?
As usual, in Hollywood, these days, having a diverse cast, script, and plot line was more important than producing a good film.
Yep, No revenge on herald? Are you kidding me?
Bingo
@@billmarshall268 also who cares about Harold in the first place
@Bad616 No one, I can't believe david chase took a knee to the woke mob.
@@Bad616ya mad Harold was g’d up
The worst thing they did was not give joey diaz more screen time the whole time I was just like "oh hey it's Joey Diaz". Would love to know more bout his character
Jon Bernthal too. I get he was doing time but they could've showed him and Dickies uncle doing time or at least when he got out
Nooo man even how he said his lines , it was so inauthentic. When he said he was "Sicilian" was so cringe
@@nicksantoro144 ohhhh u better watch yo mouf man I thought it was pretty kewl
The second worse thing about this movie was Joey Diaz lines and screen time
Literally took a google search to find out that Joey Diaz was playing Budha Bonpiensero, Pussys dad.
Of course they had to shoehorn in an interracial sex scene between two characters that weren't even mentioned in the show where they could have had scenes with Tony doing literally anything.
Hollywood moment
hollywood moment would have been underaged shineboxes....
Woke Hollywood smfh. Movie was trash
*Hava nagila starts playing* 👏👃
Hollywood moment because it's a black guy ok Yea alright
@@Wisdom-zv6zq every hollywood movie needs to force in an interracial relationship, it had nothing to do with the events of the show and added nothing valuable to the movie
My wife and I are really big sopranos fans, and both of us were rather disappointed after leaving the theater. What added to our disappointment was that this was the first movie we went out to see since covid, and being the parents of toddlers going out is a treat that requires a lot of planning (babysitter, etc) so we don't do it much. After leaving the theater, my wife mentioned "we should have just stayed at dinner and gotten another drink" lol.
I was considering watching this movie again, thinking that maybe I just didnt "get it", and I probably will. This would have been an amazing 10 episode mini series though
Yes
Michael was actually my favorite part of the movie I just want a movie with him with better material to work off of
As a huge Sopranos fan, I wanted to love this movie so much. Sadly- I did not. Weird feeling of knowing the film was a disappointment, yet wanting to see more of these charters (HBO mini-series).
The actors were awesome that’s why you want too see a series. They got the mannerisms down pat. The writing and directing and story were the problem.
@@maldor56 We want a mini series with different actors cause they were almost all bad
when me and my grandpa got done with the movie we both said at the same, "it was to short" and "it should of been an hbo mini series"
Even as a stand alone film its a 2 or 3/10 then knowing its meant to be a prequel to the best mafia show ever made that makes it a 0/10
I wanted one last season of the Sopranos that conclusively explained Tony’s fate. I compromised. I watched Many Saints of Newark while I ate grilled cheese off the radiator.
The editing mistakes are the worst. There is a scene at a restaurant where Sylvio,dickie,junior and their goomahs. Syl tells his girl to leave his hair alone then completely disappears from the entire scene next shot. No explanation whatsoever!?
I would’ve preferred a 3 hour Irishman style film detailing Tony’s life from adolescence til he’s a young adult.
Plz the Irishman was also terrible.
@@nicholaslu4069 You're entitled to your wrong opinion
@@nicholaslu4069 the Irishman was good maybe not as good as Goodfellas but still a great movie.
@@nicholaslu4069Lol your tweaking The Irishman is a banger a bit long yes but still a good movie.
I wanted to see Richie Aprile take the jacket from Rocco Di Meo. Cocksucker had the toughest reputation in Essex County.
I have one question after watching the movie.... I'm confused on one part. Can anyone help me out..was Tony's teacher or principal trying to hint around to Liv sexually molesting Tony? Asking her if she crawled into bed with Tony one night...? The whole scene was weird and creepy. Felt like total molestation vibes. Wtf?
I was wondering that as well.
I took it to be one of the rare times Livia was actually a loving mother .. a simple time when maybe tony felt truly loved? didn't the movie say she was reading to him or something ? Haven't watched it in a year lol but I don't recall creepy vibes.
The whole thing in the show was that Tony only wanted his mother's love / approval , so maybe one of the few times he felt that in childhood, stands out in his memory
Anyone who played the sopranos console game knew this would be a cash grab
That is right. Unfortunately something as big as the series was, anything related will have money as a huge motivating factor. As if Chase enjoys the story?
I actually loved the game why does everyone hate it ???
@@TheEducatedTrucker traditionally Carmine always said it was a glorified cash in .
Its written better than the movie
It was so difficult after the movie... I sat there & thought about how many opportunities were missed, & it was heartbreaking. I don't a negative review, or claim to know more about big filmmaking than others. It was just that you think about how many people were so excited, & ultimately disappointed. It was a cash grab, & that was even more heartbreaking.
Excellent analysis, I sat there stunned when it was over. They couldn't even bother to to be true to the shows timeline by having Pussy and Sil be so much older. Tony's dad was charming and well thought in the show and in the movie he was dreadful. I can't believe David Chase thought so little of his audience after all these years.
I don't know Chase, but having written The Sopranos I give him enough respect that the sh*tshow that was MSON was not about the money...it was about the race riots. He wanted to do a movie based on the race riots and everybody around him said, "But what about a Sopranos movie? That'd be cooler!" MSON suffered as a movie because it wanted to fit too much into too small a time slot. if they'd done a mini-series, they could have worked the riots into the Sopranos world (believably).
The same thing happened when AMC wanted to do a show based on the novel "The Terror" (which is also based on a RL incident). The writers of the show "The Terror" wanted to leave out the supernatural elements and focus on what actually happened, while otherwise following the novel...AMC basically turned around and told them the show wouldn't be made without the bear.
Agreed!
@@Tiabliaj1989if the terror is that series about the true story of those artic explorers who were searching for the northwestern passage, then that’s actually good even though they added a kind of supernatural horror element to it. Thanks for the reminder actually I wanted to watch that again.
@@BBeowulf Yessir that's the one. It's also a book (I wouldn't say don't read it, but you will likely hear that the author adds in way too many descriptions of female bush. Three is still three too many).
Imo? Go show, then book. Or just watch the show twice. It's a bit hard to follow when all the characters are brownish-black haired white guys with the name "John" or "Ed" or "James" lol. I hope you enjoy it :D
People forget even older Tony is not a tough guy with no faults. He is conflicted and struggles mentally. So I think showing him this way as a kid makes sense
The kid Tony actor did a great job. I’ve said my piece.
Around 1:33, you called the Irishman a letdown, say what you what films like Many Saints, but the Irishman showed that one can still make good gangster movies even in 2019. (Yes i know the scene of De Niro kicking that dude is atrociously bad lol) but overall that movie is fantastic
I like them both.
@horriblepancake the whole point of the movie is that it’s old guys living out old glories
I think some people just expected more "water-cooler moments" like say in Casino. Every scene of Casino and the Departed is riveting.
He called the card counter a gangster film,what did you expect
@horriblepancake Lmfao how old do you think the likes of Fat Tony Salerno/Russell Buffalino/Frank Sheeran/Jimmy Hoffa were back in the 1950's-70's? At the very beginning of the movie yeah they're supposed to be a *bit* younger (i.e. mid 30's-50's) but after that their age certainly plays in their favor, especially DeNiro who looked just like Frank Sheeran back in the late 60's/70's. Not saying it's all perfect or anything (like the CGI eyes were pretty bad), but it's a fantastic film.
I think the films biggest detriment is that there’s too many stories Trying to be told in only a two hour timeframe. I really think if the film was another half hour or so longer, cut out Giuseppina and Harold, and put a bigger focus on the friendship between Tony and Dickie, we would have had a solid movie.
Exactly, it felt like a 15 minute meeting with 20 points to discuss.
Excellent analysis
I finished the movie the other day and I honestly believed this should have been a two part movie the first part about dickie and the second part about Tony after dickies death
I thoroughly enjoyed the Irishman I didn’t know people thought it was a letdown. 100% better than Saints of Newark.
the movie was just plain bad - no excuses
Irishman was just okay to me. I wasn't as big on it as some people. Someone said it was better than Casino and I almost cursed them out.
@@ContextReallyMatters lol yeah that’s a reach for sure
@@thurstonhowelllll948 It received pretty much universal critical acclaim. The only downside that I can think of is the de-ageing and runtime.
@@ContextReallyMatters I think it's better than Casino tbh. Scorcese has got a lot better at his work in the past few decades.
Silvio seemed to be too old and what was focusing on the Harold character about?
Silvio senior has the hairpiece. Silvio from the show was in the phone booth scene with carmilla and tony
That was Jackie Aprile, not Silvio
They made the movie too much about Harold and emphasis on the 1967 Newark Riots. If I wanted to watch a movie about a black gangster, American Gangster (Denzel Washington). A TV show about a legendary black gangster: "Godfather of Harlem" (Forest Whitaker). This movie was about Tony Soprano and his beginnings.
@@HandsomeTallAzn90 If he wanted to do a movie about the ‘67 Newark riots I don’t understand why he didn’t just do a separate movie. He’s David Chase, he should, easily, be able to get anything wants made. He could have had Sopranos characters as cameos or minor characters in the film.
@@derrillfloyd5571 100% Agree. They could have made a separate movie. And maybe do a crossover with the sopranos characters. But mixing the storylines. Just killed the film
This movie showed that David Chase clearly lost interest in the world he created, the continuity errors alone are embarrassing. And they're not even minor errors, these are obvious to anyone who watched the show. I don't know if Chase was going senile or what but he clearly couldn't care less about the quality of the film. He should have had Terrance Winter or someone who still had passion for this world direct.
The Irishman was amazing imo. Also I don’t think Michael did a bad job I just think his character was written bad
No Feech La Manna, Richie Aprile, Jerry Anastasia...most importantly Hesh Rabkin
That was my issue. At least a scene. But this should make been a mini series. There wasn't enough time for what fans wanted to see and add a new story.
Nah put Harold, who is he? Oh yea...never heard.
@@nelsondx8054 exactly bruh. Whole movie was just another part of the woke agenda
Disgrace to the legend of “John Gotti?”
A lot to unravel there.
I thought that was the Travolta movie. Lol
I didn't think Travolta did a bad job of playing him, but the lower budget 1995 HBO movie with Armand Assante was more enjoyable, even with them messing up some of the details and casting the wrong actor for Sammy the Bull.
Armond Assante killed it playing Gotti .With did they need to do it again. I wouldn't watch Travolta no reason to.
My immediate reaction to this movie was "what was the point of that?"
I thought they would have at least touched on how Vito came to love firemen with handlebar mustaches LOL
Did you really just say The Irishman was a let down?? Come on man… It was superb
Aside from the one scene where de Niro is beating up the grocery clerk, I thought it was a good movie
The Irishman was essentially the final ending of the mob genre. I say this in a good way, the whole movie was a huge analogy on the ending of the “life” and what the actual consequences and pain of it are. Anyone who truely looks at frank sheeran supposed telling (which could just be him puffing it up and makes it even sadder as he’s faking a legacy) his life story he has a terrible life. The life is what caused it. It is the final nail for the mob genre.
Also black mass was pretty good imo, the plots decently realistic and the portrayal of Jimmy bulger was so spot onto what a guy like him is like. It’s a very dark and vicious movie which honestly leading up to the Irishman also just adds onto it.
Snore lol
@@markusk1015 lol
THE IRISHMAN?? NOT A HIT!? That movie is absolutely great🥺
Seriously, who the hell is saying the Irishman is a disappointment?
If anything The Irishman is truly going to go down as the last great Mob movie.
Danny de vito,s Hoffa was a nice movie, made around1992.Wasn't a box office smash, but some good storytelling, staying as close to the truth as it could. Plus it starred jack nicholson, what's not to like?
“Absolutely great” lol is that the same movie where a geriatric DeNiro tried to act like a mob enforcer by shoving some guy through a glass window and kicking him like he just had his hip replaced? Haha, that movie was an embarrassment.
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 you are right about that, but just nitpicking one flaw from an overall great movie doesn't make it bad. I just don't understand how someone can watch Frank's story and not feel bad for him by the end, even if he killed Hoffa (great portrayal by Al Pacino btw). The reviews are all good for it, the only reason it failed at the box office was because theatres didn't want to play it because some idiot producer planned to put it on streaming services less than a month later (they planned this before the movie premiered). Producers really dropped the ball on that one, they only got 8 mil at the box office lol
8:12 and thats the problem right there.
Chase has made it known that he hates fan service and more than likely sabotaged the movie on purpose.
Say what you will about many Saint's of Newark it was great getting to see Ray Liotta in one last gangster appearance before he passed. RIP Ray Liotta!
I treat it like The Godfather 3, it doesn’t count
Al Pacino's scream in 3 was amazing. It was the highlight of the film.
G3 should be stricken from the record......
compared to this dribble the godfather three is a classic.
I agree with with the idea of not touching the sopranos legacy.
Doesn't matter if it's a sequel, a prequel, a mini series about whatever, I don't care. Just don't mess with the original TV show.
As for the movie itself, if you focus just on dickie moltisanti's character, I think it has depth enough to be an OK movie. Also, I believe there's interesting parallels between dickie, Tony and Christopher, I'll give that to the movie. But, good enough to make justice relatively to the original show? I don't think so, some things you're not suppose to touch, that's what I believe
I really struggle to understanding why David chase doesn't choose to do basically everything that he wants to do. Literally, every platform would die to have David chase involved to do whatever he decides to do. EVERYTHING!
why going back to the sopranos?
Well, although I hated it, I really can't blame an artist for going back to an original work, if he thought he had something great to add to it; sometimes it does pay off. Unfortunately, Chase was wrong.
Chances are (Chase even implied it in interviews) that Warner Bros. wouldn’t finance a movie exclusively about the 1967 Newark riots like he always wanted to make, it’s clear they pressured him to shoehorn a Sopranos prequel in his dream project and it shows.
@@jacksonellis2320 eventually they convinced Chase that it was a good idea to turn the whole thing into a sopranos prequel. I don't think that chase just was in it for the money or anything. Still I think, chase can do pretty much everything he wants, warner bros, HBO, Netflix, whatever he decides to do, pretty much everybody will give him the green light.
I think Many Saints was trying too hard to be Breaking Bad's El Camino, when it should have been Better Call Saul
It's just a misunderstanding of expectations. Fans went to the movie expecting to see Tony's origin story. What they got was a Dickie Moltisanti movie.
I mean there's good and there's not good.....this is NOT good!
You know why I refused, rightly, to pay to see this movie? The movie is DOA from the dating. Teenage Tony is during the mid 1970's, not 1967. They dropped 8 years because woke.
Gross
As Sopranos fans, we certainly deserved better. No one broaches the fudging of the continuity in canon. Why not make a video about the poor decision to force the storyline about race and the decidedly negative impact on reception? Personally, I think it cheapens both stories.
100%
The timing was all off. Silvio was some 30yr old man who was bald, paulie who is supposed to be well older than Silvio is his same age and pussy who like Silvio is supposed to be the same age as Tony is some late 20s Mexican looking guy
@@Shadow-gm9ct It was sufficiently explained
@@Shadow-gm9ct source literally the movie
The Irishman wasn’t a let down… Lol Wtf it was nominated for numerous awards.
The Irishman wasn’t poorly received at all. It was nominated for Oscars.
The problem with a new series showing Tony's youth is that we already know the arc of so many characters. Sil, Pauley, Pus, Carmella, etc etc.
"INSTANTLY-FORGETTABLE" perfectly sums up this dreck. I also would have accepted "one-time watch", "filmic abortion", and the very apt, "MEH". Fortunately, for the creator of "Sopranos", I don't count this film as part of the shows legacy, the very same way that I discount the pointless-and-dull, "El Camino".
Instantly forgettable is a perfect way of putting it. I remember almost nothing from it because it was so bad. Like Sandler's Jack and Jill movie, my mind has been wiped clean.
Mulignans freely entering Satriale's in the 60's🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a fellow Italian, why did they have to have mooly sleep with his girl, why did they make it seem like moolies came in and took over at the end. I can't get passed the mooly stuff
should've just been a movie about the newark riots that's clearly what they wanted to do
Agreed! Felt like they sold out the series to focus on an SJW agenda.
I still hope that this is a start of some kind of miniseries to see the rise of Tony.....maybe they will do that and save this movie in some way.
I pray with all my power this never happens. The series lived and died. I refuse to see this garbage cash grab. You want a new series write some fan fiction
@@user-py6sy4zm1v wow well that is a strong opinion! Well I hope for a miniseries so the storyline could be better, but I don’t want it to suck
There’s no saving it that movie is hot garbage
Yeah' they can't "Mandolorian" their way out of this. The movie was shit.
When Ray Liotta just turned up again in the film as his identical twin I knew it was only going to get worse.
The best part was Michael Gandolfini and Vera Farmiga and Ray Liotta . I didn't watch any reviews before watching the movie last night. The movie had two different stories in one . And how much the marketing had a good amount of Young Tony and Dickie . So I thought it was going to be forced on Tony Teenage story . The show tells us that Tony was good at football we didn't see him play. Only JR and his mom disagree with him . Only one scene of Carmela . And why not show Artie enter the world of cooking.
The universe has so much potential and interest. You could do two more movies at least one the 80s and one in the 90s. Theres so many characters we still want to see more of Richie, Ralph, Hesh, Tony B, Johnny sack the list goes on.
This was the most disappointing movie I’ve ever seen in my 61 years. What the hell were they thinking?? I watched it and the only thing I can remember is how bad Rays new face is? He is rivaling Micky Rourkr!
LMAO!
Who knew people's outrageous expectations for perfection would've been disappointed? No one could've predicted that
Really thought Tony was gonna be who killed Dickie. Wouldve been a nice little twist
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if the trailer hadn't baited people into thinking it was about Tony at least one segment of the dissatisfied crowd would have been happy. Hollywood needs to go back to honest trailers.
Exactly. The trailers made it seem like we were going to get a movie about how Tony got his feet wet into the mob with Dickie mentoring him.
@@benriffle104 The scene in the kitchen (in MSON) really clarified that feeling in me - it was such a throwback to the first time I saw S1E1 and here's Tony buying a stereo for a broken record all those years ago.
A movie starring Vera and Michael would be a swell apology for deceiving us with the MSON trailer imo ;)
Couldn't agree more
Absolutely nobody would’ve watched it if they told the truth, that it wasn’t a mob movie about the origins of the De Meo crew or Tony.
It was just some race baiting garbage released at a very convenient time with all the BLM riots.
Fr, its chrissys story, but if we knew it was then people would love it. But we where told it was tonys story, told to expect something different so we were all disappointed. After knowing what it is as a chrissy origin i like it alot more
Agree with your overall assessment of the movie however I think Michael G was one of the best performers in the movie. Slurred lines don’t stand out to me compared to the way he conveyed young Tony’s pathos and attempts to maintain loving relationships with his mom and uncles. I look forward to seeing another Michael Gandolfini version of young Tony. He was really good.
This movie felt like it was written and directed by Christopher Moltisanti
The film was not centered on Tony Soprano. It was centered on Dickey Moltisanti. The name Moltisanti means "many saints."
I think Chase wanted to tell an anti-origin story. There's no grand operatic moment when Tony chooses damnation. Instead, as Uncle Sally says, "Pain comes from always wanting things," even family, because "It's the wanting." Tony becomes himself because he wants to save his mentally ill mother and mistakes Dickie Moltisanti for a redemptive figure. So, a mischievous kid who reads Ivanhoe stays in New Jersey and becomes a gangster, romanticizing a bygone world of the mob that was just ordinary, imagining himself as a good guy--like his Uncle Dickie.
I get that this film is not exciting. But it has a deep sadness to it that Scorsese only achieved in the last part of The Irishman, I think.
Charles Schwab over here.....
@@MichaelGiordano777 So that's it. No leeway, no compromise, just stupid fuckin' jokes.
Yes, I agree with you on the pathos aspects. There is a deep sense of sadness in this film, as if the characters cling to their Catholicism and the traditions of La Cosa Nostra to save them from drowning in nihilism. I don't think TMSofN was a bad film, but Chase told a story that didn't mesh with the expectations of many fans. I thought Michael Gandolfini did an excellent job of portraying Tony's vulnerabilities, his comedic gift, and inherent sweetness, traits, that were crucial in making him a conflicted anti-hero. You love Tony because you can identify with him. Alessandro Nivola, Ray Liotta, and Vera Farmiga (sp?) were incredible. The film wasn't perfect, but it had a lot to live up to, since most of the people watching it have (or once had) a parasocial relationship with The Sopranos cast, myself included. I own the entire series and I like to watch it while I knit. I think TMSofN would have been a better limited series and like most everyone who commented, I would have liked Chase to have explored The Uprising of '83, the defection of Fabian Petrillio (sp?) , the taking down of Feech's game and some of Janice's backstory, like Harpo's birth and her abandonment of him. One thing that bugged me about the film was the chronology, which was out of synch. Example: James Gandolfini was born in September of 1961. The character of Tony Soprano was born ca. 1959-1961. In Tony's coma dream, Kevin Finnerty's driver's license shows a 1959 birthdate. When Johnny Boy's comare (played by Polly Bergen in the episode "In Camelot") tells Tony about her one-night-stand with JFK, Tony says he was in grammar school in November of 1963. Yet, in "Mayham," when the police are questioning Carmela about Junior's references to Jack Ruby and the theory that the mob clipped JFK, she replies, "my husband was three years old at that time." There are several similar inconsistencies in the Sopranos series, things you probably wouldn't pick up on unless you watch it while you're knitting. But what bugged me about the movie is the glaring implausibility that a high-school aged Tony could have held a toddler version of Christopher Moltisanti, who was born in 1969. If we estimate Little Chrissy at 2 years old in the scene where Michael Gandolfini holds him, Tony couldn't have been more than twelve years old. The only thing I really hated about the film was the untruthful marketing.
Matrix 4, sopranos, the last of us 2... maybe writers should stop trying to be subversive all the time
@@thedreadlord2156 You have a lot of good ideas here. The chronology is difficult to figure out. It's possible that the movie is being told posthumously by Christopher, who's an unreliable narrator. For instance, the film suggests that Dickie may be imagining Uncle Sally without confirming it.
It was a complete and total insult to everything that was Sopranos. But hey David made it so it was his to kill. Disgraceful
Frankly I’m depressed and ashamed
I literally have no idea wtf these writers were thinking. Like literally no idea. Did they get together in a room and go “hey you know what, instead of dramatizing the raid on Feech’s card game in this prequel, let’s instead just show Tony steal ice cream and hand it out to kids.” Yeah…. A real fan pleaser! 💨
I agree with you on everything except for what you said about the actor playing Silvio doing an impression because during the show Silvio seemed like he was doing a al Pacino impression
I called it. Knew this movie was gonna tank just from the previews alone.
My family watched this together, we just didn’t know what the plot was. Who the black guy was and what he was doing in the film (idk who or what his name is) and the other forgettable characters
Michael Gandolfini nailed the part of Tony but for like 80% of the runtime I was thinking "where the fuck is he?" It honestly felt like the entire movie was made just to have that closing scene where Dickie and Tony make that pinky promise to the soundtrack of The Sopranos. It was an origin story that ended before we got to see what we watched the movie for. I understand Jr can come across as petty but are we supposed to believe he had Christopher's father murdered because he laughed at him for falling down some steps????
Well alot of people are upset about the movie being about Dickie moltisanti and not Tony, but title tells you exactly what it's about. Many saints of Newark. Moltisanti translates to many saints.
Skip the civil rights bullshit, skip the chick from Sicilia or Napole or whatever the fuck and focus on Tony and his mickey mouse crew, build a story aroud that.
I think that Gandolphini did a great job.
The woman who played Livia did a great job, but The guy who played Junior sucked, also I agree with everything you said about sil, pussy, & Paulie
It felt like those actors were dong impressions instead of acting.
Tried rewatching this a few times. Couldn’t make it through it.
Imagine if Better Call Saul was made into a movie instead of its own show and it focused only on Kim Wexler and 10% of the movie had Jimmy, Mike, and Gus.