theneedledrop totally was rooting for him to be the voice of reason for the questionable people who wake up and listen to exmilitary like it's a cup of coffee. I was not disappointed.
The beautiful irony of "the thing that took me out of this album was the yelling" considering the review turned into yelling by the end. Gotta love you, DEHH.
Why is it that when the audience agrees with Myke, he's super intelligent and well rounded because he likes a lot of other genres, but when they disagree he's not even a real hip hop fan and doesn't know what he's talking about
This didn't make the video, but I mentioned that if you did like Death Grips or thought it was cool, but a little too much, check out the album by Techno Animal called Brotherhood of the Bomb. In my opinion it was one of the first real albums that could be called "Industrial Hip Hop" and they did it really well. The main guy worked with Godflesh, I believe. There's an amazing song on there with El-P and Vast Aire. Similar to Dalek, but a little harder.
Myke C-Town was the only dude who did his homework! Everybody else said the same old-ass thing. "I kinda like Guillotine... I kinda like that Mexican Girl song... But overall I can't vibe to it." Myke came in with the references to past groundbreaking artists, the members, the style, etc.
People calling everyone but myke “plebs” for not liking death grips are silly. Not everyone is gonna like death grip’s sound. That’s pretty obvious by listening. I like them btw
IS IT HIP HOP IS IT POP IS IT ROCK IS IT SOUL?!!! It's music! Everything doesn't need to be limited in to these conventional boxes! I don't generally listen to death grips but I respect their concept.
For me Exmilitary and Death Grips is a moment in history that will forever change the genre of hip hop and have a similar effect that Straight Outta Compton did. Complete and utter masterpiece.
Of course Mike is the only one that gets it haha. But honestly aside from Mike its views like this that I feel kinda hold hip-hop back. If its not a boom bap beat its not real hip-hop, Ive grown so sick of the "real hip-hop" conversation. We need artists to push the envelope and come up with new sounds and ideas or its just lateral movement.
Tony HorrorShow I know this is 3 years late but THANK YOU. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Lyrical enthusiasts can be so toxic when it comes to experimentation and trying new shit. Almost to the point that I’m glad artists like death grips pisses them off.
The guy defending Death Grips gets it! This album isn't just pushing the boundaries of hip-hop but the boundaries of punk music, metal music, electronic music and actually the boundaries of music all together. Fucking incredible. Bravest band of this generation
+Art106 The great think about it is the blending of styles, at least for me. Industrial and rock inspired beats, violent and dark, metal and hardcore inspired lyrics, delivered in a mostly hip hop style with the ferocity of punk/hardcore. They make hip hop WITHOUT hip hop influences and challenge genre boundaries while also exploring the darkest aspects of humanity lyrically.
I just find the lyrics extremely hard to understand, and they get muddled underneath all the loud noises and stuff going on. I'm not going to hate on it just because I don't get it, but it all just seems like a mess of noises.
Art106 It can be at first, maybe you should listen to it in your car or on a decent set of speakers. You also kinda need to hear the noisier tracks they make a few times until you can mentally break it down a little, it gets easier to understand if you stick with it. They're an acquired taste, most people think coffee or alcohol taste like total shit for a while, most people think Death Grips is noise the first few listens.
Jesse Clifton true but who said death grips was hip hop anyway,, its more punk rap/experimental. the lyrics are so abstract and deep with meaning how could u ignore it. this is not a hip hop group
FVCK FVCK KLVN even if the lyrics are deep or whatever (i can't understand most of what mc ride says in the first place) , if someone doesn't like the sound of the music, it's really hard to enjoy.
They're hip hop, but not just hip hop. They're also industrial, punk, metal and electronic music. Almost to the point where there rooted in rock and electronic music. The same way old school hip hop was rooted in disco. It's not that diffrent. Mixing hip hop and rock isn't new. It's been a thing since the golden age of hip hop. Just look at Run DMC and Beastie Boys Just the way they do it is extremely out there. They're original. Granted Blackie, Rage against the Machine, Techno Animal done it before. DG truly stand out as something worth being behind. They're hip hop., but not just hip hop. They still sample, they still use beats, granted he's yelling but MC Ride is rapping in his raspy punk vocal. Death Grips music is extremely aggressive. There music is a satire on excess. They're a band manifested from the darkness of the internet. Yet there not horrorcore/goth rap bc there music is so much more extreme and boundry pushing. They make all horrorcore groups look like a babies cartoon. Death Grips will appeal to music fans bc they're experimentation and production. They're first time hip hop and rock has felt scary in a while. It's not campy it's straight up. It doesn't care about boundries or appealing to anyone. This ain't some Tyler the Creator, Twenty One Pilots poser faggot shit. We need groups like Death Grips. You can either whine about how "it's not real music" or embrase it for what it is. They're truly important to music.
I really don't get how you can see Death Grips as anything but hip hop. Ok, it's not 'normal' hip hop, but even on the surface, there's an mc rapping and there are beats, use of samples etc. How is there any doubt?
+Mr. Thanatogenous i love death grips. i agree that it is hip hop i was just replying to why kinge said it wasnt, he is used to hip hop being one thing but it is the nature of hip hop to continuously change. if it wasnt hip hop then i'd categorize it as industrial, electronic, screamo lol
Late reply but it's experimental idm hiphop. Idm influences are people like aphex twin, µ-ziq, boards of canada, flashbulb, cex etc that helped to make a genre of experimental electronic music. That's what makes death grips so unique to me. Also this is just exmilitary, his later albums ditch it for other directions.
You most likely will not enjoy death grips if you go into them expecting a hip-hop experience. They are experimental, and the closest genres you can relate them to are either punk or hip-hop so I don't think it's fair to say it isn't hip-hop. It's not traditional, though.
It's always been crazy to me how a lot of people lock themselves into genres. You have to get into/be into other shit to really appreciate bands like DG. Exmilitary was groundbreaking piece of work.
To be fair, Feefo's response wasn't that it was bad but that it wasn't for him so I can respect that but I mostly agree with Myke, it's Death Grips' second best album next to The Money Store, every time I listen to it I discover something new every time. I enjoy it because it's catchy, it's interesting, and it is like the audial equivalent of not being able to look away from a car crash. I don't even like heavy metal but I enjoy it, Kinge and Beezy aren't well rounded in music to get it but at least Feefo said from a personal standpoint that he couldn't get behind it which is honorable in that respect.
DEHH should read mc ride's lyrics and understand what yall are listening to, your perception would have been elevated & enlightened brah - death grips ain't from this time, they're creating a place in time and above the mainstream bullshiz you hear today. death grips is crazy cryptic. 'culture shock' was one of the best tracks on exmilitary imo.
"ITS HIP HOP" "NO IT AINT" "I NEVER SAID IT WASNT" "ITS NOT HIP HOP" "THEYRE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE" "NONOONNOONNONO WAIT WAIT I NEVER SAID THAT" "ITS HIP HOP" "NO"
Know these is an old vid but loved the debate, and had to throw my two cents out there. I don't expect everyone to fk with death grips, but as an old head i definitely do, and fully see them as hip hop, just like they do. He's bellowing more than just screaming, and everybody has different ideas of what's a good voice, just like everybody has different things they love about hip hop. In terms of genres of music it's still fairly young, and in that it is also a brilliant reflection of modern society, in topical commentary, and with using modern methods of making music, cannibalizing other forms of music and entertainment, sampling from anything and everything, and has been constantly changing since day one when it was some sorta offshoot of disco and dub reggae. At one time artists making hip hop were put off when they heard albums that weren't records cut together but were drum machines and keyboards, and they laughed when records were simply utilized to making scratching noises instead of that just being part of the art of blending two records together. At one time signing in hip hop was because they had a pfunk sample, and was otherwise as odd as biz markie signing his heart ache out, and wasn't really until warren g and nate dogg that you had double threats of the likes of Ceelo who had flow and could actually sing their own hooks or a whole dang song with soul, and certainly weren't bringing in some professional r&b or pop star singer to do the hooks. You may not like Ride's voice or delivery, but he's about that energy and attack, just like ra ra like a dungeon dragon Busta Rhymes hollering "woo-hah!! Got you all in check", or redman ready to rock rough rhymes renegade rapper rip when it's rhyme time, when he had his first album What? Thee Album, he follows a skit about a psychiatrist talking about how he murdered van halen, and he hollers "let's get ready to rumble" and comes with the hype assault attack that is Time for Some Akshun, and of course can't forget the crazy experimentation of wu tang and the lyrical assault machine that was old dirty hollering at ear drums to know yo netter get outta here when you here the zoo thrown out in the air like the threat of crackling lightning about strike, coming from him outta his, Brooklyn Zoo, or with rza jumping into the track to yell out the best advice, to protect ya neck, while sticky fingers and the mad faced onyx crew just wanted to scream for the b-boys to Slam, but but wait it gets worse, for as grimey as their voices were it was nothing compared to the D.O.C. when he mad helta skelta after the accident that changed his voice box to the strained tortured instrument that gave me the dusted paranoid insanity of Secret Plan, or laying out his anger about fall out from nwa eazy, to dre and snoop, on return of livin dead or really most of the album, because of course he came from that like ice cube when he grabbed the world's ear hollering that they were coming straight outta compton, because before they popularized gangster rap, it was LL Cool J at the fore front of coming hard, yelling his warning that Momma Said Knock You Out, huh! if you try to call it a comeback, cause he's been knocking em out, huh!, before mama said, huh! Breakdown! Shadow boxing to the Radio, and that ahhhhhh he does at beginning of Im Bad, to announce that its definitely on, because his first big hit Radio was the anger and lack of care that later found a home in gangster rap and popularized that style of rapping like a punch to the microphone that Cube later ran with, but for LL was probably the next logical step after run dmc came hard like Addidas were combat boots coming in, yeah that's right, from Ride, to Run Dmc yelling "My Addidas", and of course cant forget their friends beastie boys screaming with high pitched nasal raps, and public enemy with the angry professor and teacher chuck d while flavo flav just was constantly freaking out to earn a rank above any simple hype man. Oh and RIP DMX. But hey that's just my 2 cents, and love what death grips is doing with hip hop, and love what shabazz palaces is doing, just like i loved digable planets or tribe called quest or sir mix a lot or eric b and rakim, or duggie fresh and the fat boys (when it was common to have beat boxing) or like my love for whodinni, or epmd gots to chill, so with that im out of business
It was great watching you guys hash out this album and even greater that you guys pointed me to Shabazz Palaces and yes I love them both to your point C :)
Seven years later, and Exmilitary is one of the tamer Grips albums. Even by NLDW, they'd managed to push things to the limit. Also The Powers That B did the same in some schizophrenic fashion, going from their most experimental stuff ever on NOTM to punk and math rock territory on Jenny Death. Cue to YOTS which is like a cross-section of most of their previous work with some added surprises like The Fear which adds bebop jazz bass and piano. They're all over the place to even put in a genre.
I really like this dude w. Dreads, he seems to have a similar taste in music as me.. does he have his own channel?? He's talking about industrial and anticon
I just listened to guillotine... I havent listened to the whole album but I'm gonna that song was dope as fuck and honestly he wasnt really yelling to me. His voice kind of reminds me of RZA
Really great debate on Death Grips role in hip-hop, really enjoyed it. Idk if you guys have a classic week but Id be really into hearing your thoughts on Dr. Octagon(Kool Keith)
The fact you guys sat round and had the conversation you did is EXACTLY why hip hop needs to fragment off into places like Death Grips. If you don't want it to stagnate then somebody needs to kick shit around a bit. I mean, you love hip hop but don't all get this. I don't get a lot of hip hop but I love this. First step forward and I'm with them.
I think it was for a more general audience. younger groups may need an easier breakdown. Death Grips, in truth, is on a plane of its own, however, younger kids who like Odd Future, may need a simple breakdown (i.e. comparing Death Grips with them).
Death Grips is the future that Dälek saw almost 20 years ago. If you like Death Grips you need to know Dälek. He made this subgenre of hip hop long ago. Its nice to see hip hop artists like this becoming more mainstream.
@Craiggardd Exactly! I'm from the same boat so screaming vocals don't catch me off guard. I think it was refreshing to have someone actually rap that way, though. Imagine Jamey Hatebreed rapping. I think what Death Grips did was brilliant. I wish more groups would put out genre defying music like this. It's actually good for the genre and keeps it on its toes.
I love when you guys review stuff I haven't heard about before. I always check it out after. On the other hand, I would love to hear your opinions on Tha Carter IV.
In their defense, this was a weird listening experience for me as I don't listen to this type of music on a regular basis. But the more I listen, the more I can appreciate it. I really like Fever, Hustle Bones and Bitch Please. Death Grips are not an easy listen if you are not familiar with it, don't take it as a diss. Be glad they actually reviewed it in the first place, DEHH do have valid opinions.
i think the whole beauty of the album is to come from somewhere that is so alien but also familiar in structure & form alone that it makes you wonder wtf you just heard. like district 9 meets busdriver or something. the live death grips stuff with zach hill on drums..THAT is death grips to me..i think it was a progression that took shape over time for sure. and its not for everbody. thx for the review, really enjoyed hearing your take on it.
I had pretty much the same reaction after listening to Exmilitary. I was wondering what the hell I was listening to but after a few more times listening to the album, I began to look at more of their music and soon I became a fan of their music.
This is really out there, but personally, growing up on strictly metal and pretty much unconventional music, rap was never something that even piqued my interest. Never once was I like "hey, i can definitely get with this" But finding Death Grips was like a holy grail for me. The sick industrial beats with the sporadic drumming patterns were more to my liking, and the yelling vocals were closer to home. Not only did I find one of my favorite artists EVER, it helped bridge hip hop and rock/metal
If people were reclusive about electronic music when it first came out we'd have nothing but musical scores and classical music played with electronic instruments. But thanks to people with different ideas we had stuff like the krautrock and ambient artists emerge
I think that it's true that conventional hip hop listeners would probably not enjoy this but someone like me for example who is mostly into indie rock and electro music but also enjoy indie hip hop more than other rap too, I think an album like this is made for someone like me
Also Myke talks a lot about the boundaries their pushing, but he doesn't mention so much the tight experimental productive element in this album. Death Grips sample Black Flag, Link Wray, Pink Floyd and possibly MAGMA (????). They also do some really legit soulfoul electronic beats, like on Known For It or 5D
Mad props to Death Grips for being the fuel for a discussion on what IS or what IS NOT hip-hop. Regardless of if you give it that label or not, The Money Store made all these dudes question what hip-hop actually is, and that is something people need to do more often. I agree with mykec about people pushing the boundaries.
The album to me has the same effect as captain beefheart's trout mask replica to rock music (although i dont think death grips will as influential as beefheart). but to me the thing about the record is how confrontational and in your face it is. its a hell of a lot more crazy then anything tyler the creator has ever made. one of the people who worked on the album is zach hill who is a drummer for several experimental work groups. overall i dug the hell out of it
Hiphop started in the 80s as a purely underground movement. Nowadays alot of it is just some dudes on MTV and other dudes who wanna be on MTV but aren't there yet. Death Grips is different...they don't care about making it on MTV, they just care about challenging listeners. You could almost say they are taking hiphop back to its roots. Anyway, I enjoyed the video...thanks guys.
Yeah i totally agree it doesn't really matter whether or not you like it but you have to admire that they're trying to do something different. I personally love this album and i think its better than The Money Store. Favorite tracks takyon, spread eagle cross the block, and culture shock
CTown is the only one who values TRUE originality in hiphop. I am old enough to remember when PE "Nation Of Millions" first came out...and it gave me the same WTF reaction that Death Grips gave me (in a good way.) I guess that was back in a time when originality was valued in hiphop, and people WANTED to hear something new and have hiphop re-defined every so often.
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go, ctown, go!
theneedledrop totally was rooting for him to be the voice of reason for the questionable people who wake up and listen to exmilitary like it's a cup of coffee.
I was not disappointed.
Kelly Smith literally bro.. I shower every morning to The Money Store and when I’m in the whip I’m bumping Government Plates, ExMill, Bottomless pit
just found this
Anything experimental ain't always good. Sometimes it's fuckin trash. Exmilitary is alright. Money Store is fucking trash
@@u7angbe ok fool
Lmao back then them close ups were vicious
Stefan Roche I've seen the inside of kens ear at one point man I was distracted by the camera work the whole time after that
Rod eventually figured it out lmao
"I didn't like the yelling."
*yells for 10 minutes*
Death Grips mission: accomplished.
I think everyone getting in a fight over this album is exactly what Death Grips would want haha
MC Ride is laughing so hard at this
DivineScum Just as planned...
4 years late but nah that makes no sense
Honestly I think they wouldn't care
The beautiful irony of
"the thing that took me out of this album was the yelling"
considering the review turned into yelling by the end.
Gotta love you, DEHH.
TRIPLE SIX FIVE FORKED TONGUE
OH SHIT IM FEELING IT
TAKYON
I agree with C-Town completely.
+picklesnorf101 for the first time I do too haha
+Liam McMenamin C town always on point bro
Why is it that when the audience agrees with Myke, he's super intelligent and well rounded because he likes a lot of other genres, but when they disagree he's not even a real hip hop fan and doesn't know what he's talking about
confirmation bias. that's all it is. maybe that might not be the word for it.
This comment^
"I don't know how he would sound if he was not yelling"
did he not listen to culture shock?
Sorry for replying 8 months later, but Culture Shock had Andy on vocals, not Ride.
Jacket *citation needed
seriously what the fuck are you smoking
Jacket what are you talking about
+Jacket no
What about the earlier pre Death Grips MC Ride songs?
This didn't make the video, but I mentioned that if you did like Death Grips or thought it was cool, but a little too much, check out the album by Techno Animal called Brotherhood of the Bomb. In my opinion it was one of the first real albums that could be called "Industrial Hip Hop" and they did it really well. The main guy worked with Godflesh, I believe. There's an amazing song on there with El-P and Vast Aire. Similar to Dalek, but a little harder.
Myke C-Town was the only dude who did his homework! Everybody else said the same old-ass thing. "I kinda like Guillotine... I kinda like that Mexican Girl song... But overall I can't vibe to it." Myke came in with the references to past groundbreaking artists, the members, the style, etc.
I know your comment is old but I like your profile pic. I thought I was the only DNA fan that existed lol.
takyon bumps hard imo
People calling everyone but myke “plebs” for not liking death grips are silly. Not everyone is gonna like death grip’s sound. That’s pretty obvious by listening. I like them btw
Myke's teeth whiteness is on a new level.
He's also spot-on about DG. They push the genre like no one has in a while.
Quasimoto crew
IS IT HIP HOP IS IT POP IS IT ROCK IS IT SOUL?!!! It's music! Everything doesn't need to be limited in to these conventional boxes! I don't generally listen to death grips but I respect their concept.
For me Exmilitary and Death Grips is a moment in history that will forever change the genre of hip hop and have a similar effect that Straight Outta Compton did. Complete and utter masterpiece.
Warren Leggatt we can only wait for the legacy to unfold
Umm.. Nope .. No sir.. I like the album but no..
I’d say you look like a prophet lol stay noided
One of the few albums that actually reminds me of listening to Straight Outta Compton
Sorry to say but you were wrong:it didn't forever change the genre of hip hop, it forever changed MUSIC as a whole
Death Grips totally bumps in the whip. It thrashes
"if tyler was serious, he sould be death grips".
FUCKING TRUE AS FUCK!!!"
Takyon BUMPS SOOOOOOO HARD in the whip!
They're talking about Ride screaming and I can barely make out what they're saying in the review lmao. They've come a long way.
Of course Mike is the only one that gets it haha. But honestly aside from Mike its views like this that I feel kinda hold hip-hop back. If its not a boom bap beat its not real hip-hop, Ive grown so sick of the "real hip-hop" conversation. We need artists to push the envelope and come up with new sounds and ideas or its just lateral movement.
Tony HorrorShow I know this is 3 years late but THANK YOU. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Lyrical enthusiasts can be so toxic when it comes to experimentation and trying new shit. Almost to the point that I’m glad artists like death grips pisses them off.
The guy defending Death Grips gets it! This album isn't just pushing the boundaries of hip-hop but the boundaries of punk music, metal music, electronic music and actually the boundaries of music all together. Fucking incredible. Bravest band of this generation
Explain please. Because I've been listening to multiple genres of music for 20+ years and I just don't get it.
+Art106 it's not for everything
+Art106 The great think about it is the blending of styles, at least for me. Industrial and rock inspired beats, violent and dark, metal and hardcore inspired lyrics, delivered in a mostly hip hop style with the ferocity of punk/hardcore. They make hip hop WITHOUT hip hop influences and challenge genre boundaries while also exploring the darkest aspects of humanity lyrically.
I just find the lyrics extremely hard to understand, and they get muddled underneath all the loud noises and stuff going on. I'm not going to hate on it just because I don't get it, but it all just seems like a mess of noises.
Art106 It can be at first, maybe you should listen to it in your car or on a decent set of speakers. You also kinda need to hear the noisier tracks they make a few times until you can mentally break it down a little, it gets easier to understand if you stick with it. They're an acquired taste, most people think coffee or alcohol taste like total shit for a while, most people think Death Grips is noise the first few listens.
I remember watching this 10 years ago. I'm so glad that y'all recorded this moment in history.
This and The Money Store came up in my feed again recently. So cool looking back when DG were so new
you guys should have talked about the lyrics not "omg guy yelling this isint hip hop" the whole time
you have to understand how left field yelling in hip hop is. then you will understand the shock. Not DMX yelling either.
Jesse Clifton true but who said death grips was hip hop anyway,, its more punk rap/experimental. the lyrics are so abstract and deep with meaning how could u ignore it. this is not a hip hop group
whatsyoureyedea I think the whole point of the video is saying it is Hip Hop.
Like Beware....all of the deep, dope occultism references.
FVCK FVCK KLVN
even if the lyrics are deep or whatever (i can't understand most of what mc ride says in the first place) , if someone doesn't like the sound of the music, it's really hard to enjoy.
They're hip hop, but not just hip hop. They're also industrial, punk, metal and electronic music. Almost to the point where there rooted in rock and electronic music. The same way old school hip hop was rooted in disco. It's not that diffrent. Mixing hip hop and rock isn't new. It's been a thing since the golden age of hip hop. Just look at Run DMC and Beastie Boys Just the way they do it is extremely out there. They're original. Granted Blackie, Rage against the Machine, Techno Animal done it before. DG truly stand out as something worth being behind. They're hip hop., but not just hip hop. They still sample, they still use beats, granted he's yelling but MC Ride is rapping in his raspy punk vocal. Death Grips music is extremely aggressive. There music is a satire on excess. They're a band manifested from the darkness of the internet. Yet there not horrorcore/goth rap bc there music is so much more extreme and boundry pushing. They make all horrorcore groups look like a babies cartoon. Death Grips will appeal to music fans bc they're experimentation and production. They're first time hip hop and rock has felt scary in a while. It's not campy it's straight up. It doesn't care about boundries or appealing to anyone. This ain't some Tyler the Creator, Twenty One Pilots poser faggot shit. We need groups like Death Grips. You can either whine about how "it's not real music" or embrase it for what it is. They're truly important to music.
fucking gold man
No Tyler trash talk welcome. I agree though
This review is 10 years old….. Where did the time go
Death Grips is hugely metal/industrial inspired. If ya'll want to understand that listen to those genres.
These guys yelling about how Death Grips isn't hip hop is more abrasive to me than any of their tracks.
I really don't get how you can see Death Grips as anything but hip hop. Ok, it's not 'normal' hip hop, but even on the surface, there's an mc rapping and there are beats, use of samples etc. How is there any doubt?
+Ralph Lindsen different strokes for different folks
+Malcolm X Death Grips is challenging music. I expect people to dislike or even hate it. But what is it if not hip hop?
+Mr. Thanatogenous i love death grips. i agree that it is hip hop i was just replying to why kinge said it wasnt, he is used to hip hop being one thing but it is the nature of hip hop to continuously change. if it wasnt hip hop then i'd categorize it as industrial, electronic, screamo lol
Late reply but it's experimental idm hiphop. Idm influences are people like aphex twin, µ-ziq, boards of canada, flashbulb, cex etc that helped to make a genre of experimental electronic music. That's what makes death grips so unique to me. Also this is just exmilitary, his later albums ditch it for other directions.
c-town is definitely the wisest in dead end hip hop
so just bc the others don't like Death grips that makes them...less wise?..
iamnotascientisi nah
+iamnotascientisi what he's saying is that he can actually see how and why they're doing what they do
iamnotascientisi yes
@@nalimlattarai2873 thank u for making this thread genius
FIFO always getting bodied lmfao. love
You most likely will not enjoy death grips if you go into them expecting a hip-hop experience. They are experimental, and the closest genres you can relate them to are either punk or hip-hop so I don't think it's fair to say it isn't hip-hop. It's not traditional, though.
I like how Mike is just patiently waiting for his turn to speak .
It's always been crazy to me how a lot of people lock themselves into genres. You have to get into/be into other shit to really appreciate bands like DG.
Exmilitary was groundbreaking piece of work.
Takyon's beat bumps in the whip.
'I dont know how he would sound if he wasn't yelling' he wasn't yelling on culture shock
Kinda goes to show how much attention they gave to this mixtape
I wish they reviewed the mixtape more than the idea of true hip hop.
Funny how the guy who listen to all sorts of music is the most well spoken..
Thank you...
I'm not the only one.
To be fair, Feefo's response wasn't that it was bad but that it wasn't for him so I can respect that but I mostly agree with Myke, it's Death Grips' second best album next to The Money Store, every time I listen to it I discover something new every time. I enjoy it because it's catchy, it's interesting, and it is like the audial equivalent of not being able to look away from a car crash. I don't even like heavy metal but I enjoy it, Kinge and Beezy aren't well rounded in music to get it but at least Feefo said from a personal standpoint that he couldn't get behind it which is honorable in that respect.
Damn, I remember watching these DEHH videos back in 2012. Miss that era
Myke is leaving dehh tomorrow. Goodbye myke, I'm so so grateful for this review!
DEHH should read mc ride's lyrics and understand what yall are listening to, your perception would have been elevated & enlightened brah - death grips ain't from this time, they're creating a place in time and above the mainstream bullshiz you hear today. death grips is crazy cryptic.
'culture shock' was one of the best tracks on exmilitary imo.
I love the random drug deal happening in the background
"ITS HIP HOP" "NO IT AINT" "I NEVER SAID IT WASNT" "ITS NOT HIP HOP" "THEYRE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE" "NONOONNOONNONO WAIT WAIT I NEVER SAID THAT" "ITS HIP HOP" "NO"
This review sounds exactly like Ex. Yelling.
curious what ya'll think about B L A C K I E
Know these is an old vid but loved the debate, and had to throw my two cents out there. I don't expect everyone to fk with death grips, but as an old head i definitely do, and fully see them as hip hop, just like they do.
He's bellowing more than just screaming, and everybody has different ideas of what's a good voice, just like everybody has different things they love about hip hop. In terms of genres of music it's still fairly young, and in that it is also a brilliant reflection of modern society, in topical commentary, and with using modern methods of making music, cannibalizing other forms of music and entertainment, sampling from anything and everything, and has been constantly changing since day one when it was some sorta offshoot of disco and dub reggae.
At one time artists making hip hop were put off when they heard albums that weren't records cut together but were drum machines and keyboards, and they laughed when records were simply utilized to making scratching noises instead of that just being part of the art of blending two records together. At one time signing in hip hop was because they had a pfunk sample, and was otherwise as odd as biz markie signing his heart ache out, and wasn't really until warren g and nate dogg that you had double threats of the likes of Ceelo who had flow and could actually sing their own hooks or a whole dang song with soul, and certainly weren't bringing in some professional r&b or pop star singer to do the hooks.
You may not like Ride's voice or delivery, but he's about that energy and attack, just like ra ra like a dungeon dragon Busta Rhymes hollering "woo-hah!! Got you all in check", or redman ready to rock rough rhymes renegade rapper rip when it's rhyme time, when he had his first album What? Thee Album, he follows a skit about a psychiatrist talking about how he murdered van halen, and he hollers "let's get ready to rumble" and comes with the hype assault attack that is Time for Some Akshun, and of course can't forget the crazy experimentation of wu tang and the lyrical assault machine that was old dirty hollering at ear drums to know yo netter get outta here when you here the zoo thrown out in the air like the threat of crackling lightning about strike, coming from him outta his, Brooklyn Zoo, or with rza jumping into the track to yell out the best advice, to protect ya neck, while sticky fingers and the mad faced onyx crew just wanted to scream for the b-boys to Slam, but but wait it gets worse, for as grimey as their voices were it was nothing compared to the D.O.C. when he mad helta skelta after the accident that changed his voice box to the strained tortured instrument that gave me the dusted paranoid insanity of Secret Plan, or laying out his anger about fall out from nwa eazy, to dre and snoop, on return of livin dead or really most of the album, because of course he came from that like ice cube when he grabbed the world's ear hollering that they were coming straight outta compton, because before they popularized gangster rap, it was LL Cool J at the fore front of coming hard, yelling his warning that Momma Said Knock You Out, huh! if you try to call it a comeback, cause he's been knocking em out, huh!, before mama said, huh! Breakdown! Shadow boxing to the Radio, and that ahhhhhh he does at beginning of Im Bad, to announce that its definitely on, because his first big hit Radio was the anger and lack of care that later found a home in gangster rap and popularized that style of rapping like a punch to the microphone that Cube later ran with, but for LL was probably the next logical step after run dmc came hard like Addidas were combat boots coming in, yeah that's right, from Ride, to Run Dmc yelling "My Addidas", and of course cant forget their friends beastie boys screaming with high pitched nasal raps, and public enemy with the angry professor and teacher chuck d while flavo flav just was constantly freaking out to earn a rank above any simple hype man. Oh and RIP DMX.
But hey that's just my 2 cents, and love what death grips is doing with hip hop, and love what shabazz palaces is doing, just like i loved digable planets or tribe called quest or sir mix a lot or eric b and rakim, or duggie fresh and the fat boys (when it was common to have beat boxing) or like my love for whodinni, or epmd gots to chill, so with that im out of business
It was great watching you guys hash out this album and even greater that you guys pointed me to Shabazz Palaces and yes I love them both to your point C :)
DG makes punk music in my opinion, not hip-hop. they appeal to the same part of my brain that likes to listen to The Locust.
100% agreed, although it has a slight hint of hip hop in there..
it only seems like hip hop because of MC Rides lyrical style. all their instrumentals are pure cyber-punk.
I've said this for months now. So glad someone else thinks this.
they make music. the rest is you.
I’ve said this for years now. So glad someone else thinks this .
Love this review because the intensity of thew review itself while they are all yelling over each other mimics the intensity of the album haha.
Why yall act like DMX doesnt yell 24/7 DMXs talking voice is a damn yell
What are these camera angles.
Seven years later, and Exmilitary is one of the tamer Grips albums. Even by NLDW, they'd managed to push things to the limit. Also The Powers That B did the same in some schizophrenic fashion, going from their most experimental stuff ever on NOTM to punk and math rock territory on Jenny Death. Cue to YOTS which is like a cross-section of most of their previous work with some added surprises like The Fear which adds bebop jazz bass and piano. They're all over the place to even put in a genre.
I've never heard these guys more passionate
they changed a lot over the years...they used to have videos arguing for hours about hip hop and even political shit.....they all old heads now lol
Props, Checking Shabazz palaces. Hella crazy they're on Sub Pop. Thanks Gents!
If you come from the same pack of people who enjoy metal or indie rock and read music blogs than you'll enjoy Death Grips
Truth.
Im not from that pack
I really like this dude w. Dreads, he seems to have a similar taste in music as me.. does he have his own channel?? He's talking about industrial and anticon
Tia-Marie Schaeffer his name is C-Town
yeah his channel is myke c-town
Nostalgic feels watching this lol
the track 'culture shock' has no yelling. really really enjoying this album. gotta push those edges.
I just listened to guillotine... I havent listened to the whole album but I'm gonna that song was dope as fuck and honestly he wasnt really yelling to me. His voice kind of reminds me of RZA
his voice is a mix of rick ross and RZA imo lol
Really great debate on Death Grips role in hip-hop, really enjoyed it. Idk if you guys have a classic week but Id be really into hearing your thoughts on Dr. Octagon(Kool Keith)
The fact you guys sat round and had the conversation you did is EXACTLY why hip hop needs to fragment off into places like Death Grips. If you don't want it to stagnate then somebody needs to kick shit around a bit. I mean, you love hip hop but don't all get this. I don't get a lot of hip hop but I love this. First step forward and I'm with them.
I think it was for a more general audience. younger groups may need an easier breakdown. Death Grips, in truth, is on a plane of its own, however, younger kids who like Odd Future, may need a simple breakdown (i.e. comparing Death Grips with them).
Death Grips is the future that Dälek saw almost 20 years ago. If you like Death Grips you need to know Dälek. He made this subgenre of hip hop long ago. Its nice to see hip hop artists like this becoming more mainstream.
ps, I love your reviews and how involved you guys are as a whole, it's awesome
@Craiggardd Exactly! I'm from the same boat so screaming vocals don't catch me off guard. I think it was refreshing to have someone actually rap that way, though. Imagine Jamey Hatebreed rapping. I think what Death Grips did was brilliant. I wish more groups would put out genre defying music like this. It's actually good for the genre and keeps it on its toes.
I enjoyed the discussion, guys. I like the different views you bring to the table and nice to hear a buddy conversation surrounding this.
I love when you guys review stuff I haven't heard about before. I always check it out after. On the other hand, I would love to hear your opinions on Tha Carter IV.
In their defense, this was a weird listening experience for me as I don't listen to this type of music on a regular basis. But the more I listen, the more I can appreciate it. I really like Fever, Hustle Bones and Bitch Please. Death Grips are not an easy listen if you are not familiar with it, don't take it as a diss. Be glad they actually reviewed it in the first place, DEHH do have valid opinions.
i think the whole beauty of the album is to come from somewhere that is so alien but also familiar in structure & form alone that it makes you wonder wtf you just heard. like district 9 meets busdriver or something.
the live death grips stuff with zach hill on drums..THAT is death grips to me..i think it was a progression that took shape over time for sure. and its not for everbody.
thx for the review, really enjoyed hearing your take on it.
Myke c town understood this shit before it was history
I had pretty much the same reaction after listening to Exmilitary. I was wondering what the hell I was listening to but after a few more times listening to the album, I began to look at more of their music and soon I became a fan of their music.
What the fuck are the dude behind C-Town doing? Shooting a Dead End RnB wepisode?
This is really out there, but personally, growing up on strictly metal and pretty much unconventional music, rap was never something that even piqued my interest. Never once was I like "hey, i can definitely get with this" But finding Death Grips was like a holy grail for me. The sick industrial beats with the sporadic drumming patterns were more to my liking, and the yelling vocals were closer to home. Not only did I find one of my favorite artists EVER, it helped bridge hip hop and rock/metal
One of my favorite reviews by you guys so far, personally I like the album. It is not an easy album to get into though
The sample used in Spread Eagle Across the Block is amazing as well.
If people were reclusive about electronic music when it first came out we'd have nothing but musical scores and classical music played with electronic instruments. But thanks to people with different ideas we had stuff like the krautrock and ambient artists emerge
I think that it's true that conventional hip hop listeners would probably not enjoy this but someone like me for example who is mostly into indie rock and electro music but also enjoy indie hip hop more than other rap too, I think an album like this is made for someone like me
Oh yeah, and keep doing what you do, Myke. Good call on so much of what you said and how you backed it up.
@drediablo I'd love to see them live. Do they play with live instruments or what?
definitely. listening to beware is a trip for me, if I heard that song while high my psyche would probably be changed for ever
This is a great interview, I would agree that Death Grips isn't traditional Hip Hop, but at least alliterative experimental Rap.
Also Myke talks a lot about the boundaries their pushing, but he doesn't mention so much the tight experimental productive element in this album. Death Grips sample Black Flag, Link Wray, Pink Floyd and possibly MAGMA (????). They also do some really legit soulfoul electronic beats, like on Known For It or 5D
Mad props to Death Grips for being the fuel for a discussion on what IS or what IS NOT hip-hop. Regardless of if you give it that label or not, The Money Store made all these dudes question what hip-hop actually is, and that is something people need to do more often. I agree with mykec about people pushing the boundaries.
Klink, lord of the game, and takyon bump in the whip
perfect review, cuz you get the plebian perspective then c towns
true patrician music
The album to me has the same effect as captain beefheart's trout mask replica to rock music (although i dont think death grips will as influential as beefheart). but to me the thing about the record is how confrontational and in your face it is. its a hell of a lot more crazy then anything tyler the creator has ever made. one of the people who worked on the album is zach hill who is a drummer for several experimental work groups. overall i dug the hell out of it
Hiphop started in the 80s as a purely underground movement. Nowadays alot of it is just some dudes on MTV and other dudes who wanna be on MTV but aren't there yet. Death Grips is different...they don't care about making it on MTV, they just care about challenging listeners. You could almost say they are taking hiphop back to its roots.
Anyway, I enjoyed the video...thanks guys.
Myke's right, I love Black Up and I checked out Exmilitary and fucking loved it.
Yeah i totally agree it doesn't really matter whether or not you like it but you have to admire that they're trying to do something different. I personally love this album and i think its better than The Money Store. Favorite tracks takyon, spread eagle cross the block, and culture shock
CTown is the only one who values TRUE originality in hiphop. I am old enough to remember when PE "Nation Of Millions" first came out...and it gave me the same WTF reaction that Death Grips gave me (in a good way.) I guess that was back in a time when originality was valued in hiphop, and people WANTED to hear something new and have hiphop re-defined every so often.
@JunkyardGod89 I mentioned the Zach Hill involvement. But still not sure about the details of his involvement.
Is debating whether or not hip-hop is hip-hop still "hip-hop"?
Why the camera man in kens ear lmfao these close ups are crazy
Congrats! That's awesome.
I recently started listening to hip hop in the last year or so after listening to a lot of metal so this album really works for me.
Awww shit...you from Sacramento? I lived there for about 10 years. Love that place.
I'm one of those that absolutely loves Shabazz Palaces and Death Grips. Both in my top albums of the year. I also tend to hate "popular" hip-hop.
I seriously only like Guillotine and Takyon. Mostly Takyon cuz that shit goes fuckin hard
Takyon is the only song that I like
Spread Eagle across the block is fucking wild to me.
You, sir, just made my day!
Damn..Myke is so big on all that backpack stuff
How could this not be hip hop if like Dälek is