This is on par with the time the Dodgers gave out baseballs before a game in 1995. Then the ump made a call the fans disagreed with. No prizes for guessing what happened next. Anyway, it was pretty much the last forfeit to date in Major League History.
disco demolition night says 'remember me?' biggest mlb promotion turned failure ever. at least sox got nearly 50,000 that night. 2/3rd more that avg. crowd that season.
@@stevenbauer4799 And my Tigers got a free win in the second game due to unplayable field conditions LOL. Also, the 1974 Cleveland Indians’ (hey, that was what they were called back then OK?) ”10¢ Beer Night”. What could go wrong? Well...some inebriated Cleveland fans stormed the field and attacked Texas Rangers outfielder Jeff Burroughs, which literally triggered a riot, with improvised weapons, including some stadium seating being used. And yeah, Texas won that game via forfeit.
It was a dumb promotion by the Colts. But it is not like the Colts had to forfeit the game or hundreds of people were arrested because of it. Disco Demolition, Ten Cent Beer and the Dodgers giving away free baseballs are the three worst promotions in sports history.
Coming from a family with half of them being American Indians (a long story). White people are more offended with some of these things than they are. Especially when the Cleveland Indians changed their name. This generation is hyper sensitive.
May well have been. Seeing how Indiana is named after the Indians that lives here. Place of Indians is the translation. Indianapolis translates to city of Indians. Minor league team is called the Indians. Convenient the video left all this info out.
*"LET'S GO BEARS!"* Obviously, Chicago is just about 3 hours northwest... and Indy was likely their secondary TV market for all the pre-Indianapolis-Colts years.
@@forestgeorge8855 So do Cowboys. They only had horses because they were brought to this continent. Horses aren't exactly native to North America (except before Native Americans arrived- they most likely killed all the remaining horses for food- they didn't ride them).
Ok. Completely bypassing the very legitimate racial undertones, Atlanta is EIGHT HOURS AWAY from Indianapolis. You know what they SHOULD have done? Given out coconut halves so everyone makes a clopping noise.
That was actually the original plan, but hurricane season that year disrupted the swallow migratory patterns, so they had to come up with something else.
If you're gonna give away something at a Colts game, why not give away- oh, I don't know- *HORSESHOES?* As in, the thing that's literally on your team's helmets?
If even one person is offended then it is racist and/or hate filled in today's world. And with so many spending their lives looking for reasons to be offended, pretty much anything will get you accused of bigotry. I noticed some commenters are referring to Indianapolis' AAA team the Indians. Perhaps it was a reference to that and they didn't make it clear enough. Or, perhaps, the critics need to be better educated (I myself didn't know about the AAA team until someone in the comments mentioned it). With that said, I do agree that something more "Colt-like" would have been better. Geez, could you imagine if they had given replica plastic Colt-45's? Gyaaaaaah!
Yeah, no, The, City Of Baltimore, and, The, State Of Maryland, ultimately, forced his hand, by sadistically trying to enforce, Eminent Domain, you truly can't have it, both, ways, period.
The “Gloria” craze when the St Louis Blues won the Stanley Cup started in a sports bar in Philadelphia. Maybe the Flyers can take the “DUUU-Val” chant to the next level.
This was a stupid promotion to be sure, but racist? Come on man...I remember when the chop was popular and I can't think of a single person I ever interacted with who ever felt that was a racial connotation to it. People need to stop being so over-sensitive.
I remain mindboggled how white people keep stripping away my heritage and history because they don't like the word Indian. They pat themselves on the back for the most racist thing I've ever seen in my goddamn life
Well our ancestors knew. They were naming everything with Indian names and words as the country began to take shape! I bet you could name some without even looking it up! Americans would also alter words for easier pronunciation by the new settlers. Kansas and Arkansas are two examples.
That's not untrue. But if you ask a random person on the street, "two towns, Natchez Trace and Indianapolis....which is more associated with native americans?" 100% would say the former.
If you're from Indianapolis and know that Bob and Tom are comedians, you know this was just a joke, and without understanding their sense of humor, especially not being from Indianapolis, and understanding our sense of humor, you won't get it. You claim that it is a stupid joke, and that just shows us that you are just not open-minded enough to understand why it is funny. It's funny because it is absolutely ridiculous. You criticize how ridiculous it is... that's the point. That's why it's funny. Grow a sense of humor. They even had a running joke song on the show called "Lord Help Our Colts" because the Colts were so bad. It was all in good fun to try any ridiculous thing because... why not?
This video showed Eric Dickerson, Hall of Fame running back, former 2000 yard rushing back, getting completely annihilated repeatedly. How many safety's? Or stopped 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage? Jeez the Colts were brutal. Not as brutal as that "special giveaway". Never sell Michael Scott short my friend.
So, that when Divisional Play began in 1969, the, Cubs, and, Cardinals, could keep their rivalry going, also, explains why the Reds, were, there, this nonsense helped the Cardinals, win, their only, World Series, of the 1980s, when they played a, flash-in-the-pan, Braves team, in, The, 1982 NLCS, just dumb.
@Malus The, Cowboys, and, Washington, had a rivalry that the NFL had wanted to continue, so, that explains it, also, despite, playing in Arizona, the Cardinals, were, still in the NFC East, because, they had played in, St., Louis, and, the Rams, were, in the NFC West, because, they had played in, L.A.
Bc westward expansion of the major sports expansion fucked a lot of things up. Tampa bay buccanneers were in the “central” While dallas was and still is in the “East.” Now I haven’t broken out my us map lately but last I remember, dallas is significantly further west than tampa bay
You literally could have cut this video by about two thirds, left off needless extra crap, and gotten to the damn point quicker. Would have made it a helluva lot more entertaining.
When the 1991 Atlanta Braves were mentioned, it was said that their last winning season was in 1984. It was actually 1983. The Braves were 88-74 in 1983, and 80-82 in 1984.
@@saturn722 I already knew that the Braves had a losing record in 1984. I frequently watched the Braves games during all the years that TBS aired the games. I double checked the information that I posted on the Baseball Reference website.
I question the age of the guy who produced this video. This wasn’t much of a controversy when it happened. Yes there were a couple news stories, but it came and went overnight, The tomahawk chop was barely making waves back then. You have to understand people weren’t nearly sensitive back then like they are now. Even when the actual Native American tribes complained. I watched the Colts regularly back then and can you all sorts of obscure things but this is barely memorable. Basically this is a guy in 2022 making a big deal about something that in 1991 that had a couple stories about it. This is the problem judging time periods with modern values.
100 percent. I was at this game. My buddy and I were students at Illinois State, so we did a road trip with his dad and brother. Had no idea of the promo, we were Bears fans. We laughed at the promo. It was a Braves and Florida State thing. Even Colts fans thought it was dumb. Come up with something original. But zero protests, controversy, or anything else.
@@ScoutMad people are so freaking weak and pathetic these days . I honestly despise this modern society. Take me back to a time with out pronouns , we knew what a woman was and absolutely none of the woke dogma.
On the topic of cross-sport, cross-city promotions, does anyone remember when the Detroit Pistons were literally selling silver and black gear with a basketball over crossed swords logo and "Detroit Raiders" text?
I just Googled it. How about that? "RAIDERS" above the basketball and crossed swords inside the iconic shield with "DETROIT" on top. And below the basketball was JUST WIN BABY - Al Davis.
Amazing how the Colts in the early 90’s fumbled the ball badly in draft picks with Jeff George, Quentin Coryett, and Steve Emtman. Yet in just a few short years by 1995, they actually found themselves in the AFC Championship Game and were one Hail Mary away from reaching the Super Bowl.
@@JWex-jy7sk Alas, "The, Fix, Was, In," the stadium, was, blanketed, with, "Three More Yards," banners, (now, ruled illegal), Kordell Stewart's, TD, shouldn't have counted, and, the league decided the Steelers, were, "owed," a, SB, the Colts had no chance, at least, the Cowboys prevented any permanent damage.
I think what would have been a better promotion was to have the fans do a horse's whinny noise followed by a fart sound, which would've been so appropriate for the shitshow that the 1991 Colts put on.
Except for the fact that they are called native Americans. The only reason why they were called Indians was that Christopher Columbus when he got to the New World thought he landed in India.
@@shackdaddy7106 yes even in the smallest crevices of a sporting anomaly enthusiasm channel.... The woke train shows up right on time......Choo Choo keep rolling..
@@berinmind Just stating the facts. I probably brought up something that you were totally unaware of. So I guess I woke you up to some facts. So bear that in mind. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
The irony the Braves previous logo was viewed offensive and they changed it to the Tomahawk. Knowing MLB Im surprised the Braves haven't used the A as the team main logo
I read the article you posted and it was a play on words for the two radio announcers that suggested it. Bob & Tom-a-hawks. For the announcers, Bob and Tom. It was stupid, yes, but when you let a radio personality or two, create a promotion, you are going to get this. They even said in the article, "they would try anything to win". Probably should have said something about that in your report. Nice show though.
Honestly they should’ve just given fans two shells of coconuts and had them clap them when the bears were on offense to simulate a gallop sound. At least that makes kind of sense
I think the Colts tried to justify this promotion by the fact that they lived in INDIANapolis. But the fact is this is as bad an idea for a promotion as Ten Cent Beer Night, Disco Demolition Night, and giving the Kansas City Huddle Club miniature plastic footballs for a Thanksgiving Day game, which this unofficial JaguarGator9 historian reminds you that you have a video about that last fiasco.
You left out the whole reason for the promotion, though you can read it at 11:35 if you pause it. The Bob and Tom radio show was based in Indy (still around in 2022 as the nationally syndicated Bob & Tom show). Radio stunts were big back then (Howard Stern and others were all in their prime about that time). Bob and Tom-a-hawk is indeed culturally inappropriate and horrible, but back then, it was considered all in good fun. I am not defending it, but leaving out what inspired it is leaving the story empty. The 90's only went downhill from there...
So Tom G. from the Bob and Tom Show put on this stunt, but now 30+ years later Tom ridicules people who don't understand that the name Redskins is an offensive term? Makes since.
I can't speak to teams like the Chiefs and Braves, but for FSU the chop is not only ok but explicitly approved of. Along with the logo and team name, Florida State has a contract with the Seminole tribe to use all of the Native American imagery and iconography, and there's an opt out clause for the Seminoles where if they are no longer okay with us using the name, logo, chants, etc than we are legally required to change it all. With Florida State it actually IS a mutual respect thing. The "mascot" is a Seminole tribe member at the school on full scholarship, the horse he rides is the same thing (minus the scholarship, obviously), and I'm pretty certain the Seminole tribe gets an annual stipend from the school along with admissions guarantees, scholarships, and a whole bunch of other things
You'd think the tribe would be offended by being associated, with, a team that eschewed such minor things as, accountability, discipline, and, responsibility, but, apparently, not.
@@goldosprey I think they don't want to be seen as the bad guys, anyway, they, also, own, The, Hard Rock Cafe, the largest of which is in Orlando, a terrific place.
If you are going to call this racism then you must call the braves fans use of the chop racism. Whether or not the chop is connected to a team's mascot means very little to the racism argument. This was a cop out. By the way, I don't see what the colts did as racist, just stupid.
I agree with the last sentence. I also don’t find this as racist as it was stupid. Then again, maybe the Colts thought because Indians/Native Americans/American Indians rode horses, that it would be okay to use the ch…. oh what am I even saying? As much as I can’t call it 100% racist … it was dumb.
Uh, a LOT of people have called the Braves Tomahawk chop racism, and the Braves no longer play the chant over the organ (not that it always stops the fans from doing it).
The, Dynasty, Of, One, Cardinals, were, so, lucky they played, them, and, not, The, Defending-Champion, Dodgers, or, a great Giants team, in, The, 1982 NLCS, it, was, just one of a great many things that enabled them to, win, their only, World Series, of the 1980s.
Or, it could be that many of the fans were also Notre Dame fans and dared not participate in something associated with Florida State, who was a powerhouse back then and a threat to Notre Dame.
Yup! Plus,at that point,the Colts' season was basically over,so the fans weren't gonna be in a mood to make noise, participate and cheer... especially if they're gonna get stomped by a team contending for the Super Bowl
I was at this game as a 5 year old. We still have our season tickets. Appreciate the video. Of course I don't remember anything from this season, I just happened to be at every home game during this whole era. (The Jeff George era)
I kinda assumed this was about the Just For Feet ad, until I realized there’s a JG9 video from years and years ago about that, which I think I watched back then because I remember the story pretty well.
Please explain how the tomahawk chop is racist? It doesn't have anything to do with the Colts so I get how it didn't fit, but still don't see how it is seen as racist.
it's viewed by the indigenous tribes as mocking their heritage by the people that stole everything from them. we took their lands and forced them onto reservations in the middle of nowhere.
Teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, Atlanta Braves, Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins and Golden State Warriors could obviously use the tomahawk chop as they are (and in the case of Cleveland and Washington, were) named after Native Americans
Like when an Evansville, Indiana radio station had an April Fools joke of Don Mattingly had died in an airplane crash on his way to Japan with the Yankees. His kids got to school and people were giving them condolences.
More stupid than offensive. What was more offensive would be in the Super Bowl a couple years back, all the Chiefs fans doing the tomahawk chop along with that Indian chant... and the announcers LOVING IT!
Possibly the best video you've ever done. You handled it really well...and your examples were so clear. This was truly outstanding story-telling. You handled it with great integrity and really laid everything out so well as to just how incredibly offensive and awful this promotion was. The Michael Scott, Duvall and other references were really perfectly placed, too. Outstanding video....what the Colts were doing/did will never, absolutely never, be understood. Great job addressing this unreal controversy where absolutely none of this promotion made any sense
@@Iannnus The whole video is a satire. Christ, fans were doing the chop all baseball season at Indianapolis Indians games, so claiming it was somehow strange for another team in INDIANapolis to do the same is beyond absurd.
As this video notes, it was in large part a promotion by morning 'shock jocks', a popular style in the 1970's into the early 2000's on radio. Shock Jocks would say humorous stuff, do stunt promotions like this to get and keep listeners and ratings. Often they got into trouble with the FCC or stations having to suspend or fire them when they went too far, were racist, too sexual or just offensive bad taste.
Wow. I am dumbfounded about this promo. One word: Why?! (BTW, WISH-TV left CBS on New Year's Eve 2014, and is now a CW station; WTTV is Indy's current CBS station). As sort of an aside, Indianapolis' minor league team is called, well.....
Let's see your team is named after a horse so how about a horseshoe? A saddle? With the way the season was going they should have handed out bottles of glue or boxes of gelatin.
Man, there was nothing good about the 1991 Colts: dull, soft, inpotent. Bright spot : Jeff George survived it, completed 60% of his passes, kept the interceptions down. Colts O-line was decimated early on, that was all she wrote for sustainable offense (1992 Seahawks had no QB and wideout injuries, explaining their ineptitude). But yeah this game against the Bears was one of their best efforts (also signified the Bears 1991 peak; the OT loss next week to Miami wounded Bears).
Ironically, the one year that group, won, John Smoltz had an uncharacteristically bad year, Game Seven, would have been him against an unbeatable Charles Nagy, the Braves would have stood no chance.
I wonder if anyone today has one of those tomahawks. Imagine a Colt's fan who was at the game and kept the tomahawk and their grandchild today asking them why they have it and what it has tom do with the Colt's. Imagine the fan having to explain that.
@@traviscoates6878 That is a stretch. I'm thinking no. Just like it would be absurd for the Cowboys to give away foam horses because Cowboys ride horses. It would make sense for the Broncos to give away foam horses.
The only way a crossover between sports could work is if the teams played in the same city or region. The SJ Sharks for example have done those kinds of promotions with the Giants and 49ers. Those kinds of promotions are more of a celebration of Bay Area sports so it makes sense.
I'm a University of Utah alumnus. Our school mascot is the Ute, a local native tribe, and the Ute has been the mascot for all of the approximately 150 years that the school has had athletics. About 15 years ago the school administration sat down with the leaders of the Ute tribe and basically said, "we really want don't to change our school mascot, so is there any way we can call ourselves the 'University of Utah Utes' without being racist or degrading to your culture?" To the great credit of the actual Utes, they said they were, for the most part, proud to have the state's flagship university carry their tribal name, and a few changes and some cultural sensitivity was all that was needed to satisfy them. The Utes talked it over amongst themselves and came up with some conditions to ensure their name was used in a dignified way: #1, no sideline mascot or--anyone else for that matter--in generic Indian makeup and a headress whooping it up during games; #2, no use of eagle feathers, not even drawings or abstract depictions of them, as they are sacred totems of the tribe; and #3, no tomahawk chants or chops. Not with foam tomahawks, not with the arm like an asshole Braves fan--no chopping, and no toy tomahawks in the gift shop. The tribe also received some one-time grants to help build schools on their reservation, a handful of guaranteed scholarships for qualified tribal members, and a few dozen season tickets to football games, but otherwise, those three things were all they asked of the university and it's fans. So whenever the question of whether or not "the chop" is racist comes up, my view is that while I'm sure the sports fans who do it don't think of it that way, I know for a fact that at least one native tribe hates it so much that they had it contractually prohibited at the school which bears their name. And while the name "Redskins" definitely had to go, maybe teams names like the Braves and the Chiefs don't have to, if only their fans would quit doing things like "the chop."
I just love that every NFL team has at least one crazy story in their past that seems stranger than fiction
32 Stories well maybe 30 the newer Teams probably don’t have stories unless it’s player Controversies
@@Channel-23s I love every team having a crazy story
If you are teh Browns almost every year is a story stranger than fiction
This is on par with the time the Dodgers gave out baseballs before a game in 1995. Then the ump made a call the fans disagreed with. No prizes for guessing what happened next.
Anyway, it was pretty much the last forfeit to date in Major League History.
"And heeeerrrre commme the pretzels. Whitey Ford pleading with the fans for.....SOME kind of sanity"
disco demolition night says 'remember me?' biggest mlb promotion turned failure ever. at least sox got nearly 50,000 that night. 2/3rd more that avg. crowd that season.
@@stevenbauer4799 This was sixteen years AFTER that.
@@darreljones8645yes it was.
@@stevenbauer4799 And my Tigers got a free win in the second game due to unplayable field conditions LOL.
Also, the 1974 Cleveland Indians’ (hey, that was what they were called back then OK?) ”10¢ Beer Night”. What could go wrong? Well...some inebriated Cleveland fans stormed the field and attacked Texas Rangers outfielder Jeff Burroughs, which literally triggered a riot, with improvised weapons, including some stadium seating being used. And yeah, Texas won that game via forfeit.
This along with Disco Demolition Night in 1979 & 10 Cent Beer Night in 1974 are the 3 worst promotions in sports history in my view.
It was a dumb promotion by the Colts. But it is not like the Colts had to forfeit the game or hundreds of people were arrested because of it. Disco Demolition, Ten Cent Beer and the Dodgers giving away free baseballs are the three worst promotions in sports history.
Disco demolition night was awesome ! Steve Dahl & Garry Meier rocked!
9 minutes and 55 seconds to get to the point. The video is well made but just a hair under TEN MINUTES to get to the point. Brutal.
foam tomahawks are not offensive. how damn fragile are people going to get?
everything is racist now.....people have lost their damn minds.
Coming from a family with half of them being American Indians (a long story). White people are more offended with some of these things than they are. Especially when the Cleveland Indians changed their name. This generation is hyper sensitive.
Colts management had a tough time deciding between the tomahawk chop or playing the game on Indian burial ground.
🤣🤣🤣🤣... Good One
Cool name
May well have been. Seeing how Indiana is named after the Indians that lives here. Place of Indians is the translation. Indianapolis translates to city of Indians. Minor league team is called the Indians. Convenient the video left all this info out.
*"LET'S GO BEARS!"* Obviously, Chicago is just about 3 hours northwest... and Indy was likely their secondary TV market for all the pre-Indianapolis-Colts years.
The only time I've seen the chop work that's wasn't for the Braves,Chiefs or FSU was Robin Hood Men In Tights
Bob and Tom is one of the biggest radio shows in America. Tom-a- hawk is a decent gag in context. You seemed to have missed that part.
This wasn't nearly as bad as the Buffalo Bills O.J. Simpson steak knife giveaway! 🔪😨😱
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Where does this guy dig up this obscure NFL stuff!? Omg, this story was so funny!! Meanwile, the Colts org thought this debacle was long forgotten!! 🤣
This wasn’t even that bad, just dumb, because the Colts have nothing to do with Native American culture.
@@BD-1-And-Only Unless you account for the stereotype that Native Americans ride horses.
@@forestgeorge8855 except they do. But plenty of other people ride horses. People wanna find a reason to be sad about everything I swear
great channel
@@forestgeorge8855 So do Cowboys. They only had horses because they were brought to this continent. Horses aren't exactly native to North America (except before Native Americans arrived- they most likely killed all the remaining horses for food- they didn't ride them).
Ok. Completely bypassing the very legitimate racial undertones, Atlanta is EIGHT HOURS AWAY from Indianapolis.
You know what they SHOULD have done? Given out coconut halves so everyone makes a clopping noise.
That was actually the original plan, but hurricane season that year disrupted the swallow migratory patterns, so they had to come up with something else.
You know, sometimes these things are done to honor these groups but only angry white liberals want to wipe the Native Americans from existence.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
@@quigonkenny African or European?
African swallows are non-migratory.
I love it when you include baseball stuff, because it makes me think baseball you’ll start a channel about oddball baseball stories.
I’d definitely watch that, and even be a Patreon…wink wink, nod nod
Winter 2023. That’s definitely the next step
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 YES I'm so down for that!!!👋👋
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Yahoo!
if you think "the chop" is racist, you have serious issues.
Shut up Randall
If you're gonna give away something at a Colts game, why not give away- oh, I don't know- *HORSESHOES?* As in, the thing that's literally on your team's helmets?
Racist? No. Culturally insensitive? Very.
If even one person is offended then it is racist and/or hate filled in today's world. And with so many spending their lives looking for reasons to be offended, pretty much anything will get you accused of bigotry. I noticed some commenters are referring to Indianapolis' AAA team the Indians. Perhaps it was a reference to that and they didn't make it clear enough. Or, perhaps, the critics need to be better educated (I myself didn't know about the AAA team until someone in the comments mentioned it). With that said, I do agree that something more "Colt-like" would have been better. Geez, could you imagine if they had given replica plastic Colt-45's? Gyaaaaaah!
The Colts shouldve given away miniature Mayflower moving trucks to commemorate their screwing over of the city of Baltimore.
Yeah, no, The, City Of Baltimore, and, The, State Of Maryland, ultimately, forced his hand, by sadistically trying to enforce, Eminent Domain, you truly can't have it, both, ways, period.
I'd love to see fans yelling "DUVAL!" at Flyers games, lol.
The “Gloria” craze when the St Louis Blues won the Stanley Cup started in a sports bar in Philadelphia. Maybe the Flyers can take the “DUUU-Val” chant to the next level.
I don’t know…. The Washington Redskins did the “Broken Leg” dance off promotion after Theisman’s injury.
This was a stupid promotion to be sure, but racist? Come on man...I remember when the chop was popular and I can't think of a single person I ever interacted with who ever felt that was a racial connotation to it. People need to stop being so over-sensitive.
I haven't finished the video yet, but I would like to point out that the AAA baseball team in Indianapolis was called the Indians.
I remain mindboggled how white people keep stripping away my heritage and history because they don't like the word Indian. They pat themselves on the back for the most racist thing I've ever seen in my goddamn life
The Indians still exist as part of the International League and they're the Pirates' top MiLB affiliate as of 2022.
@@McGrady412 actually they're the affiliate to the Pittsburgh Pirates
@@ColtsPacers1 back then they were the AAA affiliate of the Expos. I remember they wore a red maple leaf on their uniforms.
They still are
Two words
Robert Irsay.
Irsay was such a putz.
Thanks for sharing. You always have great original storys.
Fun fact: the FSU Seminoles have a special tribal ties.
I don't think people realize how BIG indigenous people's pre european contact societies were
Well our ancestors knew. They were naming everything with Indian names and words as the country began to take shape! I bet you could name some without even looking it up!
Americans would also alter words for easier pronunciation by the new settlers. Kansas and Arkansas are two examples.
This video reminded me in high school. My football team won a game 2-0 lmao. No one got into their red zone all game literally lol
This was a clear gimmick but there is nothing remotely offensive about this.
Found the klansman
"A team named after a horse."
But in a city that literally has "Indian" in its name.
Baltimore Colts before.
Then they could have given out wide brimmed fedora hats or leather bomber jackets or whips (Indiana Jones)
@@WTMNNJR still doesn't take away the fact that the city they play in now and have been since 1984 literally has the word "Indian" in it's name.
That's not untrue. But if you ask a random person on the street, "two towns, Natchez Trace and Indianapolis....which is more associated with native americans?" 100% would say the former.
@@stephaniegormley9982 quite sure whips would be a bad idea too 😆
This video was way too long for such an anticlimactic ending!
they all are
15 minutes of my life I'll never get back
Listening to the gripes of Cry baby millennials are becoming so tiresome.
If you're from Indianapolis and know that Bob and Tom are comedians, you know this was just a joke, and without understanding their sense of humor, especially not being from Indianapolis, and understanding our sense of humor, you won't get it. You claim that it is a stupid joke, and that just shows us that you are just not open-minded enough to understand why it is funny. It's funny because it is absolutely ridiculous. You criticize how ridiculous it is... that's the point. That's why it's funny.
Grow a sense of humor.
They even had a running joke song on the show called "Lord Help Our Colts" because the Colts were so bad.
It was all in good fun to try any ridiculous thing because... why not?
How dare you add context and logic to this video. Pssh, must be a Republican.
@@joeriveracomedy you must be a trollbot from outer space
This video showed Eric Dickerson, Hall of Fame running back, former 2000 yard rushing back, getting completely annihilated repeatedly. How many safety's? Or stopped 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage? Jeez the Colts were brutal. Not as brutal as that "special giveaway". Never sell Michael Scott short my friend.
Colts won the division in 87 with Dickerson 🤷🏻♂️
As a side note, I have no idea why Atlanta was in the West in both the NFL and Major League Baseball
So, that when Divisional Play began in 1969, the, Cubs, and, Cardinals, could keep their rivalry going, also, explains why the Reds, were, there, this nonsense helped the Cardinals, win, their only, World Series, of the 1980s, when they played a, flash-in-the-pan, Braves team, in, The, 1982 NLCS, just dumb.
@Malus The, Cowboys, and, Washington, had a rivalry that the NFL had wanted to continue, so, that explains it, also, despite, playing in Arizona, the Cardinals, were, still in the NFC East, because, they had played in, St., Louis, and, the Rams, were, in the NFC West, because, they had played in, L.A.
Bc westward expansion of the major sports expansion fucked a lot of things up. Tampa bay buccanneers were in the “central” While dallas was and still is in the “East.” Now I haven’t broken out my us map lately but last I remember, dallas is significantly further west than tampa bay
@@richardtherichard26 Rivalries overrode geographical narratives.
You literally could have cut this video by about two thirds, left off needless extra crap, and gotten to the damn point quicker. Would have made it a helluva lot more entertaining.
God bless YT algorithm
Hell yeah. I had to put it at 1.5x speed. Shots getting ridiculous on UA-cam
The only thing worse than this Promotion was your pronunciation of Tomahawk. It's TOM-A-HAWK, not TOME-A-HAWK!
thinking the same thing the whole time...
Oh my gosh, thank you. It was maddening listening to him say that.
When the 1991 Atlanta Braves were mentioned, it was said that their last winning season was in 1984. It was actually 1983. The Braves were 88-74 in 1983, and 80-82 in 1984.
So did you know that by memory or are you one of those fact checkers that checks people’s claims?
@@saturn722 I already knew that the Braves had a losing record in 1984. I frequently watched the Braves games during all the years that TBS aired the games. I double checked the information that I posted on the Baseball Reference website.
I question the age of the guy who produced this video. This wasn’t much of a controversy when it happened. Yes there were a couple news stories, but it came and went overnight, The tomahawk chop was barely making waves back then. You have to understand people weren’t nearly sensitive back then like they are now. Even when the actual Native American tribes complained. I watched the Colts regularly back then and can you all sorts of obscure things but this is barely memorable. Basically this is a guy in 2022 making a big deal about something that in 1991 that had a couple stories about it. This is the problem judging time periods with modern values.
100 percent. I was at this game. My buddy and I were students at Illinois State, so we did a road trip with his dad and brother. Had no idea of the promo, we were Bears fans. We laughed at the promo. It was a Braves and Florida State thing. Even Colts fans thought it was dumb. Come up with something original. But zero protests, controversy, or anything else.
I wasn’t aware of most of these stories so I find them very entertaining.
It's a tribute, not an insult. This society is in so much trouble.
@@ScoutMad people are so freaking weak and pathetic these days . I honestly despise this modern society. Take me back to a time with out pronouns , we knew what a woman was and absolutely none of the woke dogma.
@Clint Clinty well hate is already alive. Go to any liberal event or college campus and dare to disagree. Watch the shit hit the fan.
Well, it is INDIANapolis ...
On the topic of cross-sport, cross-city promotions, does anyone remember when the Detroit Pistons were literally selling silver and black gear with a basketball over crossed swords logo and "Detroit Raiders" text?
I just Googled it. How about that? "RAIDERS" above the basketball and crossed swords inside the iconic shield with "DETROIT" on top. And below the basketball was JUST WIN BABY - Al Davis.
That 1991 Indianapolis Colts team was a completely car and train wreck combined
Amazing how the Colts in the early 90’s fumbled the ball badly in draft picks with Jeff George, Quentin Coryett, and Steve Emtman. Yet in just a few short years by 1995, they actually found themselves in the AFC Championship Game and were one Hail Mary away from reaching the Super Bowl.
Yeah, just imagine if they'd held onto Marshall Faulk, sad that they, never, truly realized just precisely what they had.
@@JWex-jy7sk Alas, "The, Fix, Was, In," the stadium, was, blanketed, with, "Three More Yards," banners, (now, ruled illegal), Kordell Stewart's, TD, shouldn't have counted, and, the league decided the Steelers, were, "owed," a, SB, the Colts had no chance, at least, the Cowboys prevented any permanent damage.
Should have given away foam horseshoes. Rub 'em for luck.
I think what would have been a better promotion was to have the fans do a horse's whinny noise followed by a fart sound, which would've been so appropriate for the shitshow that the 1991 Colts put on.
You win the internet today
Or little squeaky "horse turds" in the Colts colors
Well, glad Happy Bear won the game. Not the F-Troop Colts.
I’m definitely not defending them, but you could say that it ties into the name of Indianapolis
Yeah...there's that
Except for the fact that they are called native Americans. The only reason why they were called Indians was that Christopher Columbus when he got to the New World thought he landed in India.
@@shackdaddy7106 yes even in the smallest crevices of a sporting anomaly enthusiasm channel....
The woke train shows up right on time......Choo Choo keep rolling..
@@berinmind Just stating the facts. I probably brought up something that you were totally unaware of. So I guess I woke you up to some facts. So bear that in mind. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
The Cleveland Indians once had as a Mothers Day give away. A can of deodorant for all moms attending the game..
The irony the Braves previous logo was viewed offensive and they changed it to the Tomahawk. Knowing MLB Im surprised the Braves haven't used the A as the team main logo
I went to this game and I spiked my tomahawk on every down.
Into the ground?
On every single play?
So, you did it about 6-7 times!
I read the article you posted and it was a play on words for the two radio announcers that suggested it. Bob & Tom-a-hawks. For the announcers, Bob and Tom. It was stupid, yes, but when you let a radio personality or two, create a promotion, you are going to get this. They even said in the article, "they would try anything to win". Probably should have said something about that in your report. Nice show though.
Honestly they should’ve just given fans two shells of coconuts and had them clap them when the bears were on offense to simulate a gallop sound. At least that makes kind of sense
That's actually not a bad idea... well, until the refs make a bad/unpopular call and then you know where those coconut shells are going.
I think the Colts tried to justify this promotion by the fact that they lived in INDIANapolis. But the fact is this is as bad an idea for a promotion as Ten Cent Beer Night, Disco Demolition Night, and giving the Kansas City Huddle Club miniature plastic footballs for a Thanksgiving Day game, which this unofficial JaguarGator9 historian reminds you that you have a video about that last fiasco.
I don't really see how this is on par with 10 Cent Beer or Disco Demolition Nights, which actually cost the teams in question games via forfeit.
If I haven’t done so yet (I lose track), welcome to the faculty lounge!
Not sure why it's so hard to believe they'd steal the chop, when they stole the football team
You left out the whole reason for the promotion, though you can read it at 11:35 if you pause it. The Bob and Tom radio show was based in Indy (still around in 2022 as the nationally syndicated Bob & Tom show). Radio stunts were big back then (Howard Stern and others were all in their prime about that time). Bob and Tom-a-hawk is indeed culturally inappropriate and horrible, but back then, it was considered all in good fun. I am not defending it, but leaving out what inspired it is leaving the story empty. The 90's only went downhill from there...
It's not culturally inappropriate. In only culturally inappropriate to angry white liberals who are offended by everything.
So Tom G. from the Bob and Tom Show put on this stunt, but now 30+ years later Tom ridicules people who don't understand that the name Redskins is an offensive term? Makes since.
@@pikupanndropof7339 it would make sense with Chick and his devotion to the Redskins factored in as well.
Is twatty the taco or vagiants still offensive?
I appreciate the balanced commentary in this video.
@Malus Blame UA-cam since he would be demonitized if he did.
Fast forward to 10:00 where he finally gets to the point
Thank you
Ironically, another native American team would end up winning the Super Bowl that year.
I can't speak to teams like the Chiefs and Braves, but for FSU the chop is not only ok but explicitly approved of.
Along with the logo and team name, Florida State has a contract with the Seminole tribe to use all of the Native American imagery and iconography, and there's an opt out clause for the Seminoles where if they are no longer okay with us using the name, logo, chants, etc than we are legally required to change it all.
With Florida State it actually IS a mutual respect thing. The "mascot" is a Seminole tribe member at the school on full scholarship, the horse he rides is the same thing (minus the scholarship, obviously), and I'm pretty certain the Seminole tribe gets an annual stipend from the school along with admissions guarantees, scholarships, and a whole bunch of other things
Exactly. Its a pretty nice tribute to a tribe that lives in the state.
You'd think the tribe would be offended by being associated, with, a team that eschewed such minor things as, accountability, discipline, and, responsibility, but, apparently, not.
@@matthewdaley746 If they wanted to raise a complaint, they would have by now.
@@goldosprey Yeah, too bad it belongs to a university, with, all the systemic corruption of a, Miami, with, nowhere near the success on the field.
@@goldosprey I think they don't want to be seen as the bad guys, anyway, they, also, own, The, Hard Rock Cafe, the largest of which is in Orlando, a terrific place.
8:48 -- Well Native Americans did ride horses...doesn't that count?
To be fair, "Indian" is in the name Indianapolis. ha
Prior to this video, I had never heard the word “Tomahawk” pronounced with a long o.
Should have made some big foam Horseshoes and had fans hold those up and chant Colts
Ron Gant is the first player I ever saw hit a homerun. Dude was my hero
The.Braves fans were still doing the Tomahawk Chop last year, especially during the World Series.
He had the tools to be a great player but he was made of glass and injured often.
Loved Ron Gant definitely my favorite Brave from that time
6:58 The...what?
Bro...TOME-ahawk chop? Really? Are we really doing the StarSKY and Hutch thing again?
If you are going to call this racism then you must call the braves fans use of the chop racism. Whether or not the chop is connected to a team's mascot means very little to the racism argument.
This was a cop out.
By the way, I don't see what the colts did as racist, just stupid.
I agree with the last sentence. I also don’t find this as racist as it was stupid. Then again, maybe the Colts thought because Indians/Native Americans/American Indians rode horses, that it would be okay to use the ch…. oh what am I even saying? As much as I can’t call it 100% racist … it was dumb.
Uh, a LOT of people have called the Braves Tomahawk chop racism, and the Braves no longer play the chant over the organ (not that it always stops the fans from doing it).
The chop and mocking native languages are certainly racist acts.
@@cablehogue599 great....i hope you continue to be deeply offended by it
The Atlanta Braves finished 80-82 in 1984. Therefore the Braves, prior to 1991, did not have a winning season since 1983 when they finished 88-74.
The, Dynasty, Of, One, Cardinals, were, so, lucky they played, them, and, not, The, Defending-Champion, Dodgers, or, a great Giants team, in, The, 1982 NLCS, it, was, just one of a great many things that enabled them to, win, their only, World Series, of the 1980s.
Is there a video about the draft controversy between John Elway and the Baltimore Colts? If not, can you do one?
It’s so well known, I doubt he’ll do one because it’s been covered on UA-cam already
@@todpolk Also, the 30 for 30 documentary “Elway to Marino” covers it in great detail, if anyone wants to learn about it(I highly recommend it)
Wow, if they called it racist in 1991 it must have been REALLY racist!
Or, it could be that many of the fans were also Notre Dame fans and dared not participate in something associated with Florida State, who was a powerhouse back then and a threat to Notre Dame.
Yup! Plus,at that point,the Colts' season was basically over,so the fans weren't gonna be in a mood to make noise, participate and cheer... especially if they're gonna get stomped by a team contending for the Super Bowl
A better promotion would have been to hand out coconuts to clap together
I was at this game as a 5 year old. We still have our season tickets. Appreciate the video. Of course I don't remember anything from this season, I just happened to be at every home game during this whole era. (The Jeff George era)
I kinda assumed this was about the Just For Feet ad, until I realized there’s a JG9 video from years and years ago about that, which I think I watched back then because I remember the story pretty well.
Please explain how the tomahawk chop is racist? It doesn't have anything to do with the Colts so I get how it didn't fit, but still don't see how it is seen as racist.
Racist against Native Americans.
it's viewed by the indigenous tribes as mocking their heritage by the people that stole everything from them. we took their lands and forced them onto reservations in the middle of nowhere.
@@hirisk761 agreed
Most of these videos are great but it took almost 10 minutes to get to the point of the video, which is taking advantage of the viewers IMO.
Yep especially with something that anticlimactic
Last time the colts would play the bears until 2000.
Teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, Atlanta Braves, Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins and Golden State Warriors could obviously use the tomahawk chop as they are (and in the case of Cleveland and Washington, were) named after Native Americans
Like when an Evansville, Indiana radio station had an April Fools joke of Don Mattingly had died in an airplane crash on his way to Japan with the Yankees. His kids got to school and people were giving them condolences.
More stupid than offensive. What was more offensive would be in the Super Bowl a couple years back, all the Chiefs fans doing the tomahawk chop along with that Indian chant... and the announcers LOVING IT!
Possibly the best video you've ever done. You handled it really well...and your examples were so clear. This was truly outstanding story-telling. You handled it with great integrity and really laid everything out so well as to just how incredibly offensive and awful this promotion was. The Michael Scott, Duvall and other references were really perfectly placed, too. Outstanding video....what the Colts were doing/did will never, absolutely never, be understood. Great job addressing this unreal controversy where absolutely none of this promotion made any sense
I'd have to disagree since I'd say 98 percent of the country has no idea what the fuck the Duvall reference is dealing with.
@@JeffCirillo I think that was the point to the reference.
@@forestgeorge8855 Then you thought wrong.
This gives me the impression of satire
@@Iannnus The whole video is a satire. Christ, fans were doing the chop all baseball season at Indianapolis Indians games, so claiming it was somehow strange for another team in INDIANapolis to do the same is beyond absurd.
What would be a bigger mistake:A team giving out DVD copies of 2000 Mules.
As this video notes, it was in large part a promotion by morning 'shock jocks', a popular style in the 1970's into the early 2000's on radio. Shock Jocks would say humorous stuff, do stunt promotions like this to get and keep listeners and ratings. Often they got into trouble with the FCC or stations having to suspend or fire them when they went too far, were racist, too sexual or just offensive bad taste.
I remember BAT night. Passing out a weapon to 30-50 thousand people was NOT a good idea.
That being said, no more bat night.
Wow. I am dumbfounded about this promo. One word: Why?! (BTW, WISH-TV left CBS on New Year's Eve 2014, and is now a CW station; WTTV is Indy's current CBS station).
As sort of an aside, Indianapolis' minor league team is called, well.....
They’re called what? The Indi…genous Persons?
@@MatthewChristianMurray we're pretending Indians is the I-word now?
When you order a promotion from Wish?
1991 WS was a awesome series!!
Still cant beat the Disco Sucks Tigers vs White Sox, or the Minn. Gophers giving away blankets when the played North Dakota State in hockey (🤣)
That College Hockey story sounds interesting. Where do I find it? 😮
@@luisreyes1963 primarily word of mouth when I was working in Minnesota. Most old school Gopher hockey fans remember/know it
Sports is it's own world.
Let's see your team is named after a horse so how about a horseshoe? A saddle? With the way the season was going they should have handed out bottles of glue or boxes of gelatin.
Hey, they could've partnered with Elmer's!
How about dog food? 🐕
Something tells me this guy would show up for free cat day...Willie!
Reminds me that Tree still thinks of Indianapolis as the Glue Factory.
The let’s go Bears chant is not at all surprising considering it was and still is Bears territory.
Man, there was nothing good about the 1991 Colts: dull, soft, inpotent. Bright spot : Jeff George survived it, completed 60% of his passes, kept the interceptions down. Colts O-line was decimated early on, that was all she wrote for sustainable offense (1992 Seahawks had no QB and wideout injuries, explaining their ineptitude).
But yeah this game against the Bears was one of their best efforts (also signified the Bears 1991 peak; the OT loss next week to Miami wounded Bears).
Michael Scott would definitely do this.
Or T-shirts that say "I Love Little Kids" (if you know,you know 😂)
It was his dating app profile name "Little Kid Lover" so people would know exactly what his priorities are.
Talks about Glavin. Video about Smoltz.
Ironically, the one year that group, won, John Smoltz had an uncharacteristically bad year, Game Seven, would have been him against an unbeatable Charles Nagy, the Braves would have stood no chance.
anyone remember about a decade ago when the white Sox gave out white Pancho's?
Your content is really good....I enjoy it a lot but dude you draw it out...get to the point
I think it’s drawn out to help those who doesn’t know as much about NFL history.
I was bracing for the promotion to be
“Native American day! 50% off tickets for all natives!”
I wonder if anyone today has one of those tomahawks. Imagine a Colt's fan who was at the game and kept the tomahawk and their grandchild today asking them why they have it and what it has tom do with the Colt's. Imagine the fan having to explain that.
Braves were Native American warriors. They rode on horses. A Colt is a young horse. It’s not that far fetched
@@traviscoates6878 That is a stretch. I'm thinking no. Just like it would be absurd for the Cowboys to give away foam horses because Cowboys ride horses. It would make sense for the Broncos to give away foam horses.
What’s to explain! “ I got a souvenir during promotion night at a Colts game“ Seems pretty easy to me.
I thought the Giants free medium soda was the worst, but this might take the cake.
The tomahawk chop is not racist,but the Colts trying use it doesn't make sense.
The only way a crossover between sports could work is if the teams played in the same city or region. The SJ Sharks for example have done those kinds of promotions with the Giants and 49ers. Those kinds of promotions are more of a celebration of Bay Area sports so it makes sense.
I'm a University of Utah alumnus. Our school mascot is the Ute, a local native tribe, and the Ute has been the mascot for all of the approximately 150 years that the school has had athletics. About 15 years ago the school administration sat down with the leaders of the Ute tribe and basically said, "we really want don't to change our school mascot, so is there any way we can call ourselves the 'University of Utah Utes' without being racist or degrading to your culture?" To the great credit of the actual Utes, they said they were, for the most part, proud to have the state's flagship university carry their tribal name, and a few changes and some cultural sensitivity was all that was needed to satisfy them. The Utes talked it over amongst themselves and came up with some conditions to ensure their name was used in a dignified way: #1, no sideline mascot or--anyone else for that matter--in generic Indian makeup and a headress whooping it up during games; #2, no use of eagle feathers, not even drawings or abstract depictions of them, as they are sacred totems of the tribe; and #3, no tomahawk chants or chops. Not with foam tomahawks, not with the arm like an asshole Braves fan--no chopping, and no toy tomahawks in the gift shop. The tribe also received some one-time grants to help build schools on their reservation, a handful of guaranteed scholarships for qualified tribal members, and a few dozen season tickets to football games, but otherwise, those three things were all they asked of the university and it's fans. So whenever the question of whether or not "the chop" is racist comes up, my view is that while I'm sure the sports fans who do it don't think of it that way, I know for a fact that at least one native tribe hates it so much that they had it contractually prohibited at the school which bears their name. And while the name "Redskins" definitely had to go, maybe teams names like the Braves and the Chiefs don't have to, if only their fans would quit doing things like "the chop."
the braves work very closely with the eastern ban of the cherokee of indians and they condoned the chop. only people offended are woke white karens
Well what happened was Indians rode horses and a colt is a baby horse...LOL I bet Bob Irsay had something to do with this...
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toam-a-hawk chop