Honestly happy that Peter B lost his aunt may in spider-verse of old age. The most natural thing for her. A chapter closed in his life and another one begun (Mayday)
@@mosshivenetwork117 I think he's referring to Peter B. Parker from the Spider-Verse movies. However the current *Ultimate Spider-Man (2024)* comic run follows a Peter who's in essentially the same position: New life with MJ and their daughter.
It's because corporate Marvel (comics) refuses to allow Peter to progress anymore. I imagine due to wanting to milk the character forever. Pete starts in Highschool, graduates, goes to College, gets married... then Marvel starts rebooting constantly and nothing matters anymore. They should have had Pete grow, age, have kids and leave Pete as a Spider Man for a certain era of readers. Pete's daughter (Mayday) or a new protege' (Miles Morales) should have been the new era Spider person for new readers. It would have been satisfying and a great payoff for long time readers and fans. If Marvel wanted to tell more Peter Parker Spider-Man stories they could do it retroactively ( ala Symbiote Spider-Man series). It's why manga is killing it vs US comics. Manga has progression: beginning, middle, ending. Stories MATTER.
Alfred serves an actual purpose in batman stories, and he's got interesting relationships with basically the whole bat family. Aunt May just prevents Pete from growing up
Honestly, her original death in Spiderman Issue #400 was such an emotionally powerful but simple story about Peter spending time with Aunt May in her final moments and her admitting she knew he was Spiderman and being proud of who he's become and passing away in his arms which was so tragic but felt natural for her character. However, they soon retconned that death, and even after getting shot in Civil War, he still just sacrifices his own happiness and marriage to save Aunt May, even though it goes against Peter's character growth as even though he hates the idea of letting go of Aunt May he would still know that Aunt May would want him to have a happy life and she would gladly give up her own life for him, I mean she literally did that in the Insomniac Spiderman game and that was perhaps one of the most heartbreaking moments in any Spiderman media!?
So many times they could of had a great moment that would of impacted Peter's character just as much as Uncle Ben's death. With her death it could of lead to the next chapter in Peter's life. She can know peace and be with uncle ben KNOWING Peter will be fine, looking after MJ, being married, having a kid! Like she would of wanted Peter to BE HAPPY, even if she was gone. But do they do that? Nope. They refuse to let Peter and in turn Spider-man grow up. This is like the one super hero the fans want to see take that next step in life. Have the problems of being married and having a kid. Hell, with all the different spider folk that are now out there, they could of uplifted some of those responsibilities. Or better yet, and because people are obsessed with the character, give him Miles as the sidekick to watch over. Be a teacher to the next generation. And let him do that for the next 20 years in comics. It's the biggest fumble in comics. Peter should not only be married right now, but have children, three of them at that. And why people loved the new Ultimate comics because Peter started being spider-man when he was already married and had kids. People want this and Marvel editors just don't want to do it.
I feel like Aunt May would've been better off dying in the Civil War era. It would've been a great representation of the whole 'with great power there must also come great responsibility' thing with Peter having to deal with May's death as the consequence of revealing his identity. Also would've allowed his progression with MJ and them being married to stay instead of getting rid of it and bringing in...he who shall not be named.
A storyline they should explore is exactly what you commented… Spider-Man has always been “I gotta hide my identity to protect the ones I love” yet every single one of his main villains already knows who he is and most of the time his family and friends are in danger because they didn’t know he was Spider-Man. So really they need to make a story that shows how important that secret is besides a couple of words of harassment.
@@creed8712 I think that because they treated it as Damien crime alley moment with him being killed right in front of him and that would be undermine by him being revived.
I agree Tom and Merlyn, I love Aunt Mary but she's definitely overstayed her welcome quite a bit, I feel for the many death's in Peter's stories such as the death of George Stacy, Gwen, and Harry Osborn, and Aunt Mary it progresses his story, he carries that loss and it helps his grow as a character and with readers, that's why I feel Insomniac' Spider-Man handled Aunt May's death perfectly cause he was still grieving her death in Spider-Man 2, it was just masterful storytelling and growth for Peter🙌
The clone saga triple twist of Peter being the clone and then not being the clone, May dying and then not being dead, and Peter & MJ’s baby not being born is still the beginning of the end of Peter’s character progression as far as I’m concerned. The point-of-no-return, though, was absolutely OMD and OMIT. One Moment In Time is just as unforgivably bad as One More Day honestly.
Technically Peter and MJ's baby was born, The problem is that Norman swapped Peter/MJ's baby with an already dead one then Norman killed Peter/MJ's baby... Honestly with all the fucked up shit Norman has done to Peter I'm shocked Peter hasn't just said fuck it and kill Norman, because If i was Peter I would have killed Norman with my bare hands at the end of the Clone Saga
I’ve been saying for a decade that aunt may should’ve passed away a long time ago and letting Peter Parker and Mary Jane move forward with aunt may death would make a tons of sense, and plus letting Peter Parker and Mary Jane being married and having there daughter mayday Parker spider girl by their side would’ve been freaking fantastic at least in my opinion.
@@comiclads indeed which is just sad and pathetic that marvel editorial are so this egocentric to the point that I don’t think they give a damn about Peter Parker and Mary Jane and his supporting cast any development anymore, oh no all they give a damn about is fitting there own ego and damn consequences in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolkait’s a shame that they can’t just make a story with a start, middle and ending instead of just dragging Peter back and forward and undoing his story
Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but I'm totally on board with May's death being linked to Peter's decisions somehow. I adore Insomniac's version where he has the power to save her, but it's more responsible to let her go.
I think this is the reason why Aunt May progressively got younger with each new Spider-Man film franchise, so the studios could justify to the audience why May needed to be around. But that's the best part of No Way Home when Goblin killed May and have it make sense.
Every other spider man media has shown how powerful seeing her pass away can be. She doesn't really have much of a role left after OMD. Like if you let her die and restore the marriage that would be a fucking dynamite story, a true masterpiece if you had the right guy making it.
I honestly think we are at a point where Aunt May served her purpose. Unless Peter is still in high school, I don't think May needs to be involved in Peter life after college. I think that's why I like how in Ultimate Spider-Man 2024 and even in Insomniac Spider-Man universe Aunt May was killed off so seeing a Peter who's fully grown and/or has a family of his own to make up for the one he lost just feels right. It allows Peter to actually grow more as a character
I feel like what people neglect to mention about One More Day is that if Mephisto had the power to save Aunt May, that insinuates that this saintly Christian lady was going to go to hell when she died. Which makes you wonder what May did to earn herself a one way ticket to the underworld.
I’ve watched like almost all your videos and I have loved everyone of them. One thing I would say though was that I loved the video talking about the Spider-Man 2 game review (11 months ago. That video was better in the sense that when u added the face cam occasionally on top of gameplay and cutscenes (in this case comic slides also since it’s a comic based video) I just think your videos would always look better having that on every video. Just my opinion. Anyway, great video, great channel subbed.
I think that feeling is enhanced by the fact that they keep faking you out and one more day revived her, after she herself told Peter to let her die. As well as the fact that all adaptations recently found perfectly fine ways of finishing her off.
Perhaps Aunt May did actually die all those years ago and Peter’s deal with Mephisto was just a delusion he crafted in his mind to cope meaning all the new Spider Man comic books are just Peter going slowly insane as he constantly hallucinates his dead aunt and getting cucked by Paul
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The difference is, Alfred has a purpose, a part to play in the story, Aunt may has not had that since JMS last wrote her. Plus the whole One More Day debacle ruins her interely, Alfred does not have anything that would taint his charatcer nearly that much.
I bet Paul is secretly an avatar of Mephisto making sure Pete and MJ keep their end of the bargain made in back in “one more day” by keeping himself in between them. I bet if MJ and Peter ever tie the knot again, Aunt May will suddenly die of heart failure since they “breached their contract”
I loved Peter Parker as a school teacher. I thought it was a great evolution of his character that kept him in high school like the current editors want, but still have him as an adult. I can also see Peter doing well in a mentor roll like that. Also, here's yet another reason to hate OMD.... It's pretty much a ripoff of a single issue Flash story. Neron (DC's version of The Devil) released some henchmen (The Rogues, whose souls he then owned) to cause some major destruction. The Flash (Wally West) and his wife (Linda Park West) confront him about it. He basically tells them, "Your love shines like a beacon... Stop it... IT ANNOYS ME!!!" They then make a deal to sell their love for each other to end the devastation. However, Neron finds that it's too much and corrupts him, making him care about the souls in hell he torments. He then begs them to take it back.
Aunt May's death on Spider-man PS4: One of the saddest scene i've ever seen on a videogame. Aunt May's death on Spider-man No Way Home: One of stupiest things i've ever seen on a superhero movie. Aunt May's death on Spider-man Into the Spider-verse: One of most madure Origin story i've ever seen on an animated movie.
Hey guys! I love your videos! I just started reading comic books and I'm wondering what I should buy next. So far, I've read Batman: Hush, The Long Halloween, and The Dark Knight Returns. I also bought The Killing Joke but haven't started it yet. I really loved The Long Halloween and the art style of Hush, didn't really like dark knight returns (don't really like the art style and also didt like the story very much). I'm thinking about buying Year One, A Death in the Family, Death of the Family, and Three Jokers. What do you think? By the way, I've also played all the Arkham games and really loved the story in Origins, Asylum, and the psychology of Knight.
9:53 - For me personally it's a toss up. I want the deal addressed at some point, as I've harped about for the past few months since reading Zeb Wells Spider-Man run is that when they eventually want Peter and MJ to get back together they should have it that the MJ that's with Paul is a clone or alternate universe variant of some sort as the way they have MJ set up now just doesn't make sense for her to go back to Peter for the umteenth time. Have it be where in that weird dimension MJ learned about the deal with Mephisto and they find some way to undo it or at least learn that it happened.
Honestly they should have killed her off during "One more day" after that sniper shot cause in my opinion if May knew what was going on with Peter and Mj about this deal she would have told them to stop don't take it and accept my passing. Hell, rewrite the story and have Peter's subconscious be in sort of an in-between life and death where he meets May's soul and explains the deal from Mephisto to her. Where she then slaps him and finally sits Peter down and tell him she wants him to live a good life with the woman he loves and start a family and that her time is over and give one final goodbye to Peter, he declines the deal learn to accept his aunt's death and his consequences he made during "civil war" with the love and support of MJ. Then you could have a beautiful moment with May reuniting with Ben in the afterlife to end the story off.
Okay so in the main 616 timeline dictating by how old Peter Parker and Franklin Richard's are About 15 years have passed so aunt may could be around 65 to 75 years old
idk man i love aunt may and shes such a pivitol part of his character. i agree that the trope of her getting sick does get old after awhile but if we could just keep her well and healthy, shes a great source of wisdom for Peter, well into his adult years.
Aunt May is a frustrating character. I personally like a few story elements of One More Day. I respect everyone who doesn't like the book, but I think certain story elements were handled well; my main issue with Aunt May is her character in the later storylines. Again, she could easily be an interesting character, but it feels like they aren't using her right. I kinda miss when she did know Spider-Man’s secret because they had such a good connection at that point, but I also like a ton of stuff from Brand New Day. My personal wish would be to see more of Peter and Aunt May understanding and respecting each other and her being in on the superhero secret while still exploring more of Peter’s bachelor life. I understand why people have an attachment to the marriage concept though. Even though I have a different point of view here, I like how you guys present your content, and I certainly would like to see more videos from you.
He lads, can you guys talk about the new ultimate spider-man comic? I’d love to hear your thoughts. In case you haven’t done it already:)) i checked on your channel and i didn’t see a video covering it. Keep up the awesome work 🦾🦾
As someone who has poked around at getting into superhero comics, I think one of the most off-putting part of the genre to me is the reticence to allow characters to go away and stay gone. Do we really need to write monthly stories for like 50-80 years about the same character? End a gd story. Let a character die or retire or whatever and have someone else take over. Batman's been around since the 40's, Dick Grayson should have died or retired as Batman by now and let someone else take on the mantle. It's ok for things to change I don't know why comics need things to practically stay in stasis. It's legitimately insane.
It's mostly marvel and DC that have this problem. Independent superhero comics don't have this baggage (invincible, rising stars, Hellboy, radiant black,etc)
I honestly agree a lot with what was spoken. My only thought is that I feel Bruce should be growing like Peter. As much as we all live the dark aesthetic and brooding nature, nowadays it just seems sad. And I get it's from Alfred death but Bruce is a 35+ year old man who I feel should be dealing with it better. That's just my thought
I know you said you do not want people comparing Aunt May and Alfred, yet I would like to see you guys go more in depth in that comparison in a future video. Just because, at least superficially, Aunt May and Alfred do play similar roles in the lives of their respective children.
I feel like killing aunt may would feel like When Alfred die and have that empty Hole in the stories but I think the main difference is that, Alfred even if hes old he doesnt look that old so you do buy on him still being alive and have still storytelling but aunt may if you tell me shes 100 Years I would Belive, shes looks so old that is just unbelivable on how is she still even walking, like shes inmortal or something and even if shes the moral compass of Spider-Man i still feel he would be mostoy fine without her since he wouldnt lose his Mind unlike Batman with Alfred, bc Bruce needs Alfred but I would say Peter doesnt need aunt may
It's ironic. If the writing in Spider-Man main comics was good. I would have thought the devil turned aunt may into a living curse for Peter. A man stuck in time while the world around him moves on without him.
The last time this discussion had social inertia there were several other waves of trends. There was the what is Captain America doing about mutant treatment in America question. There was what are the Avengers doing about young superheroes who are doing vigilante work outside of the law while the Avengers have a piece of property that they're paying rent on and a public persona. Then there is the question of how is Earth not a port planet in a Intergalactic how is Earth not the New York of the Galaxy with Kree, Brood, Skrull, Shi'Ar, Deviants, Eternals, Titans, etc. Jackpot, Madame Web, Black Cat, Silver Sable, etc.
In the Death In The Family Spider-Man storyline May should have died of old age. No "Norman Osborn kidnapped her and used an actress to fake her death" retcon.
They’ve also haven’t even been doing anything interesting with her recently in the comics. Like, look at Zeb Wells run, I think May was in like one of the first few issues, and she hasn’t been seen since (or maybe she has. I don’t know. I haven’t read those books. I only know about them from UA-cam videos). Like, what’s even her purpose now? So, yeah. I love Aunt May, but I think most of us can agree that she has to go (that feels really bad to type, but I couldn’t think of any other way to say it).
I do feel that if you get Batman old enough, you need to. Especially if the end of his career will be sad like dkr and Beyond. However, that symbolizes Batman’s last link to humanity is gone and editorial isn’t smart enough to put that together.
After discussing Alfred in the last video and Aunt May in this one, are the Lads gearing up to tell us about the Kent family being the literal best people in their world?
I believe it may have something to do with the corporate mandate that stops Peter and mj from ever marring permanently in the main line comics,it became more talked about due to the popularity of the new ultimate universe Spider-Man is a made man because he is married to mj and has two kids, uncle Ben is a live but may isn’t with the Parker’s, but he isn’t Spider-Man on that universe and because the spider-bite never happened he was not connected to the web of life an all the suffering it brings to the individual! *So yea every time you think about Peter and mj getting together in the main line comics*
Im actually gonna be working on a fan project that takes place shortly after May’s death, gonna be very dark though…so not too sure how people are gonna handle it😅
I agree that she should have peacefuly passed away, but I like the idea she is a secret goddess that is watching over Peter sent over from the One Above All, and that's why she will never die. XD
If that’s the case, every hero should die. We won’t be here forever, our kids deserve an aunt may and so do theirs…she’s a staple character. Just needs better writing
There’s a comic marvel came out with that takes place in a universe where Peter Parker’s aunt d8ed and he is still married to Mary Jane Watson, and it’s called renew your vows, and aunt may did marry j. Jonah sr. In the comics by the way💁🏻♂💯.
Finally, someone shares my opinion! I've felt this way for a while myself, Aunt May just needs to die. She should've been dead the second Peter became an adult because at that point. he doesn't live with her anymore, so the main purpose of her character has been fulfilled. Stan Lee once said that May has a weak heart and that's why she's constantly ill, but at this point she just needs to go. If May died in the Civil War-Back In Black-One More Day era, that would've been the best option for Peter. And it feels really annoying to the fans because it just implies that Peter can't handle loss even though he's been losing people since his first issue.
tbf mephisto isn't the real devil he models himself like him but he's not, also peter states in one more day that he would let her go but because he's the soul reason she's dying he cant let that happen, he cant have an other uncle ben moment... people don't seem to understand that, its not character assassination or the worst spiderman comic EVER made or anything there's real motives of why he does it and it makes sense, but in reality i would say its about time to put an end to aunt may, peters old enough in the comics also insomniac did it great, and the other times they killed her off in the comics were good, she doesn't need to be there anymore just do it right and it would be a great send off and character progression for peter.
If she died in Civil War and Peter learned to move on, it would have been a perfect opportunity to have Peter forgive himself for Ben. "Forever storytelling" will ALWAYS ruin characters.
Im convinced Aunt may dying will set Peter and the writers free. Aunt May hasnt been significant in Peters story for a long time in recent memory. She hasnt been thr Alfred to Peters Batman. The Jon and Martha Kent to his Superman. Jameson has been more significant for gods sake for Peter. You could write a story where Mephistos spell is tied to Peters Aunts life and a conflict happens and Mephisto has to save Aunt May to protect his spell/gripe on Peters marriage, Aunt may catches wind and encourages Peter to let her go!!! Something! Anything!!!!
Marvel retconning Aunt May's death way back when it honestly such a bad decision that doesn't often get spoken about in comparison to the really big ones when it comes to Spider-Man, we all know what they are. But that decision is just another rung on the ladder of Marvel derailing any character development/ character growth for Peter. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Peter giving up his whole life essentially because Aunt May got shot and was going to die will never make any sense. At least if they had MJ be the one that gets shot and is in critical condition, then the whole story would make a hell of a lot more sense as to why he acts so out of character to the point where he would make a literal deal with the devil.
Thing is Marvel just won't let a Spider-Man Charcter End, like, Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four Characters, they're fine ending some of them, but a Spider-Man Character, oh god no!
There always going be another Spider-Man guys! In comics, They always make another Peter Parker that needs some mom love so. No I don’t think Aunt May would dead in comics. Maybe Mainline Aunt May if she still live! I don’t know, I don’t read these comics at moment. I can see others movies taking No Way Home idea and do unqire twist about Aunt May dying in beginning story instead of Unlce Ben could be interesting!!
Ok so who's gonna tell brodie's that in the same story where Peter gets told no by God he also is told by THE SPIRIT OF AUNT MAY that YES PETER IM READY TO DIE AND NOW THAT I KNOW YOU'RE SPIDERMAN I CAN'T WAIT TO DIE AND SEE BEN YOU'LL BE OK YOU HAVE MJ TOO!! And man's STILL WENT TO THE DEVIL......AND SHES CATHOLIC!!! Oh also imagine someone heard the intro where they say "Spider-Man was in Civil War" but didn't know about the Marvel Arc so then started thinking that Spider-Man was making moves during the actual American Civil War circa. 1861-1865?? LMAO THAT'D BE HILARIOUS!!!!
Yes. Kill Aunt May. Kill Paul. Kill Norman & Harry.. Kill Octavius. In fact, have a story that just reverts everything back to the pre-OMD status quo. Make Peter an eternal fugitive. Have Miles have to take over the Friendly Neighborhood with Ben Riley being his Proto Man. Move Peter onto bigger, more world/universe-scale adventures while Miles and Ben do the old-school thing.
To be fair Alfred is decently old. The man served in WW2 and he gets to bang the Queen in her prime for saving her life and hundreds of people at some charity event . This is before Alfred retires to serve the Wayne family , He got sick of dealing with the army and wars . Yeah aunt may is older in most timelines since Alfred age can change depending on the writer, Most times the butler is around 50 years old slightly younger sometimes since he does takes care of Bruce for 18 years by himself .
She shouldn't be. People like to say she should have died after she got shot during the events of Civil War, but the truth is she shoulydve died long ago. The 90's would have been probably best. I don't think that she has added anything terribly important in Spider-Man lore for decades. And if I'm being honest, she was honestly a pretty annoying and terrible character before J. Michael Straczynski started writing her.
Wolverine should marry Aunt May, they'd be perfect for each other. Nah, but it wouldn't bug me so much if she actually did something. Like in Spiderverse. She's not Alfred. So I always ask myself why are you even here? So Peter can live in your house to show that he's hit rock bottom again?
Honestly happy that Peter B lost his aunt may in spider-verse of old age. The most natural thing for her. A chapter closed in his life and another one begun (Mayday)
I dunno why I laughed at this comment, what is wrong with me??? 💀
Yea that is arguably the best way for her to go out. Which comic was it?
@@mosshivenetwork117 I think he is talking about the spiderverse movie with Miles and the story of the Peter from the other universe.
@@mosshivenetwork117 I think he's referring to Peter B. Parker from the Spider-Verse movies.
However the current *Ultimate Spider-Man (2024)* comic run follows a Peter who's in essentially the same position: New life with MJ and their daughter.
It's because corporate Marvel (comics) refuses to allow Peter to progress anymore. I imagine due to wanting to milk the character forever. Pete starts in Highschool, graduates, goes to College, gets married... then Marvel starts rebooting constantly and nothing matters anymore.
They should have had Pete grow, age, have kids and leave Pete as a Spider Man for a certain era of readers. Pete's daughter (Mayday) or a new protege' (Miles Morales) should have been the new era Spider person for new readers. It would have been satisfying and a great payoff for long time readers and fans.
If Marvel wanted to tell more Peter Parker Spider-Man stories they could do it retroactively ( ala Symbiote Spider-Man series).
It's why manga is killing it vs US comics. Manga has progression: beginning, middle, ending. Stories MATTER.
Alfred serves an actual purpose in batman stories, and he's got interesting relationships with basically the whole bat family. Aunt May just prevents Pete from growing up
Yeah exactly and same goes for Harry Osborn
Honestly, her original death in Spiderman Issue #400 was such an emotionally powerful but simple story about Peter spending time with Aunt May in her final moments and her admitting she knew he was Spiderman and being proud of who he's become and passing away in his arms which was so tragic but felt natural for her character. However, they soon retconned that death, and even after getting shot in Civil War, he still just sacrifices his own happiness and marriage to save Aunt May, even though it goes against Peter's character growth as even though he hates the idea of letting go of Aunt May he would still know that Aunt May would want him to have a happy life and she would gladly give up her own life for him, I mean she literally did that in the Insomniac Spiderman game and that was perhaps one of the most heartbreaking moments in any Spiderman media!?
So many times they could of had a great moment that would of impacted Peter's character just as much as Uncle Ben's death. With her death it could of lead to the next chapter in Peter's life. She can know peace and be with uncle ben KNOWING Peter will be fine, looking after MJ, being married, having a kid! Like she would of wanted Peter to BE HAPPY, even if she was gone.
But do they do that? Nope. They refuse to let Peter and in turn Spider-man grow up. This is like the one super hero the fans want to see take that next step in life. Have the problems of being married and having a kid. Hell, with all the different spider folk that are now out there, they could of uplifted some of those responsibilities. Or better yet, and because people are obsessed with the character, give him Miles as the sidekick to watch over. Be a teacher to the next generation. And let him do that for the next 20 years in comics.
It's the biggest fumble in comics. Peter should not only be married right now, but have children, three of them at that. And why people loved the new Ultimate comics because Peter started being spider-man when he was already married and had kids. People want this and Marvel editors just don't want to do it.
I feel like Aunt May would've been better off dying in the Civil War era. It would've been a great representation of the whole 'with great power there must also come great responsibility' thing with Peter having to deal with May's death as the consequence of revealing his identity. Also would've allowed his progression with MJ and them being married to stay instead of getting rid of it and bringing in...he who shall not be named.
Progression is what Joe Quesada and other idiots at Marvel editorial hate
A storyline they should explore is exactly what you commented… Spider-Man has always been “I gotta hide my identity to protect the ones I love” yet every single one of his main villains already knows who he is and most of the time his family and friends are in danger because they didn’t know he was Spider-Man. So really they need to make a story that shows how important that secret is besides a couple of words of harassment.
They killed off Alfred for shock value. His character also never went stale.
Agreed
Well that's because Alfred's the best
At least they stuck to his death for the most part, and actually try developing the bat family
He never got stale because he was always active. He was always usually doing something in the stories. I’m honestly shocked he’s been dead for so long
@@creed8712 I think that because they treated it as Damien crime alley moment with him being killed right in front of him and that would be undermine by him being revived.
I am willing to trade Aunt May for Peter having a stable life for at least 10 or more years of comics.
I agree Tom and Merlyn, I love Aunt Mary but she's definitely overstayed her welcome quite a bit, I feel for the many death's in Peter's stories such as the death of George Stacy, Gwen, and Harry Osborn, and Aunt Mary it progresses his story, he carries that loss and it helps his grow as a character and with readers, that's why I feel Insomniac' Spider-Man handled Aunt May's death perfectly cause he was still grieving her death in Spider-Man 2, it was just masterful storytelling and growth for Peter🙌
Agreed, Insomniac definitely had the right idea with how they handled her death. It was SO emotionally impactful🤟
The clone saga triple twist of Peter being the clone and then not being the clone, May dying and then not being dead, and Peter & MJ’s baby not being born is still the beginning of the end of Peter’s character progression as far as I’m concerned.
The point-of-no-return, though, was absolutely OMD and OMIT. One Moment In Time is just as unforgivably bad as One More Day honestly.
Technically Peter and MJ's baby was born, The problem is that Norman swapped Peter/MJ's baby with an already dead one then Norman killed Peter/MJ's baby... Honestly with all the fucked up shit Norman has done to Peter I'm shocked Peter hasn't just said fuck it and kill Norman, because If i was Peter I would have killed Norman with my bare hands at the end of the Clone Saga
I’ve been saying for a decade that aunt may should’ve passed away a long time ago and letting Peter Parker and Mary Jane move forward with aunt may death would make a tons of sense, and plus letting Peter Parker and Mary Jane being married and having there daughter mayday Parker spider girl by their side would’ve been freaking fantastic at least in my opinion.
That is legit what EVERYONE wants… except for Marvel Editorial😭😭💀💀
@@comiclads indeed which is just sad and pathetic that marvel editorial are so this egocentric to the point that I don’t think they give a damn about Peter Parker and Mary Jane and his supporting cast any development anymore, oh no all they give a damn about is fitting there own ego and damn consequences in my opinion.
Marvel editorial idiots like Joe Quesada are still stuck in the silver age
@@TevyaSmolkait’s a shame that they can’t just make a story with a start, middle and ending instead of just dragging Peter back and forward and undoing his story
@@comiclads I couldn't care either way.
Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but I'm totally on board with May's death being linked to Peter's decisions somehow. I adore Insomniac's version where he has the power to save her, but it's more responsible to let her go.
I think this is the reason why Aunt May progressively got younger with each new Spider-Man film franchise, so the studios could justify to the audience why May needed to be around. But that's the best part of No Way Home when Goblin killed May and have it make sense.
Every other spider man media has shown how powerful seeing her pass away can be. She doesn't really have much of a role left after OMD. Like if you let her die and restore the marriage that would be a fucking dynamite story, a true masterpiece if you had the right guy making it.
I honestly think we are at a point where Aunt May served her purpose. Unless Peter is still in high school, I don't think May needs to be involved in Peter life after college. I think that's why I like how in Ultimate Spider-Man 2024 and even in Insomniac Spider-Man universe Aunt May was killed off so seeing a Peter who's fully grown and/or has a family of his own to make up for the one he lost just feels right. It allows Peter to actually grow more as a character
I feel like what people neglect to mention about One More Day is that if Mephisto had the power to save Aunt May, that insinuates that this saintly Christian lady was going to go to hell when she died. Which makes you wonder what May did to earn herself a one way ticket to the underworld.
The difference with Alfred and May is their universes, DC gets a reboot every so often, but we have had THE SAME EXACT May for over half a century now
I’ve watched like almost all your videos and I have loved everyone of them. One thing I would say though was that I loved the video talking about the Spider-Man 2 game review (11 months ago. That video was better in the sense that when u added the face cam occasionally on top of gameplay and cutscenes (in this case comic slides also since it’s a comic based video) I just think your videos would always look better having that on every video. Just my opinion. Anyway, great video, great channel subbed.
I think that feeling is enhanced by the fact that they keep faking you out and one more day revived her, after she herself told Peter to let her die. As well as the fact that all adaptations recently found perfectly fine ways of finishing her off.
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Perhaps Aunt May did actually die all those years ago and Peter’s deal with Mephisto was just a delusion he crafted in his mind to cope meaning all the new Spider Man comic books are just Peter going slowly insane as he constantly hallucinates his dead aunt and getting cucked by Paul
This theory had me shocked
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She goes to the hospital like 20 times in the first 200 issues of Spider-Man I’m surprised she hasn’t kicked the bucket yet
The difference is, Alfred has a purpose, a part to play in the story, Aunt may has not had that since JMS last wrote her. Plus the whole One More Day debacle ruins her interely, Alfred does not have anything that would taint his charatcer nearly that much.
If I had a nickel for every time a comic-youtuber mentioned One More Day I would probably have a lot of nickels
Here's the catch. You only get a nickel if they have a positive opinion about it.
(Sorry, but you're gonna go broke.)
Even the MCU had more courage to kill Aunt May, something the comics didn't have😅
And she was young lol.
@@danelisslow3269 yeah she was in her late forties to early fifty
MCU did Aunt May better than the comics
She died way back in issue 400, I've mentally blocked her image in every comic she's appeared in ever since
Aunt May vs The Chameleon was pretty epic. Other than that, though.... Yeah, she really should have stayed dead.
I bet Paul is secretly an avatar of Mephisto making sure Pete and MJ keep their end of the bargain made in back in “one more day” by keeping himself in between them. I bet if MJ and Peter ever tie the knot again, Aunt May will suddenly die of heart failure since they “breached their contract”
I loved Peter Parker as a school teacher. I thought it was a great evolution of his character that kept him in high school like the current editors want, but still have him as an adult. I can also see Peter doing well in a mentor roll like that.
Also, here's yet another reason to hate OMD....
It's pretty much a ripoff of a single issue Flash story.
Neron (DC's version of The Devil) released some henchmen (The Rogues, whose souls he then owned) to cause some major destruction.
The Flash (Wally West) and his wife (Linda Park West) confront him about it. He basically tells them, "Your love shines like a beacon... Stop it... IT ANNOYS ME!!!"
They then make a deal to sell their love for each other to end the devastation. However, Neron finds that it's too much and corrupts him, making him care about the souls in hell he torments. He then begs them to take it back.
My pitch is that Aunt May gets hit by a bus out of nowhere, and her death ends up being a breach of contract between Spider-Man and Mephisto.
Aunt May's death on Spider-man PS4: One of the saddest scene i've ever seen on a videogame.
Aunt May's death on Spider-man No Way Home: One of stupiest things i've ever seen on a superhero movie.
Aunt May's death on Spider-man Into the Spider-verse: One of most madure Origin story i've ever seen on an animated movie.
Peter made a deal with the devil right after having a heart to heart conversation with Marvel's version of God.
I love these editor notes 😂
Hey guys! I love your videos!
I just started reading comic books and I'm wondering what I should buy next. So far, I've read Batman: Hush, The Long Halloween, and The Dark Knight Returns. I also bought The Killing Joke but haven't started it yet. I really loved The Long Halloween and the art style of Hush, didn't really like dark knight returns (don't really like the art style and also didt like the story very much).
I'm thinking about buying Year One, A Death in the Family, Death of the Family, and Three Jokers. What do you think?
By the way, I've also played all the Arkham games and really loved the story in Origins, Asylum, and the psychology of Knight.
9:53 - For me personally it's a toss up. I want the deal addressed at some point, as I've harped about for the past few months since reading Zeb Wells Spider-Man run is that when they eventually want Peter and MJ to get back together they should have it that the MJ that's with Paul is a clone or alternate universe variant of some sort as the way they have MJ set up now just doesn't make sense for her to go back to Peter for the umteenth time. Have it be where in that weird dimension MJ learned about the deal with Mephisto and they find some way to undo it or at least learn that it happened.
Honestly they should have killed her off during "One more day" after that sniper shot cause in my opinion if May knew what was going on with Peter and Mj about this deal she would have told them to stop don't take it and accept my passing. Hell, rewrite the story and have Peter's subconscious be in sort of an in-between life and death where he meets May's soul and explains the deal from Mephisto to her. Where she then slaps him and finally sits Peter down and tell him she wants him to live a good life with the woman he loves and start a family and that her time is over and give one final goodbye to Peter, he declines the deal learn to accept his aunt's death and his consequences he made during "civil war" with the love and support of MJ. Then you could have a beautiful moment with May reuniting with Ben in the afterlife to end the story off.
Okay so in the main 616 timeline dictating by how old Peter Parker and Franklin Richard's are
About 15 years have passed so aunt may could be around 65 to 75 years old
I mean, just look at Spider-Man Back in Black. A good Spidey story that came as a result of something horrible happening to Aunt May
I feel like she's a perfect example of marvel and DC just not letting characters die and move on
Marvel Editors refuse to change that's the reason.
Weirdly enough without this i would have forgotten that aunt may is still alive in comics like she disappear
Alfred’s death had the same effect as Aunt May’s survival. Character regression.
idk man i love aunt may and shes such a pivitol part of his character. i agree that the trope of her getting sick does get old after awhile but if we could just keep her well and healthy, shes a great source of wisdom for Peter, well into his adult years.
Aunt May is a frustrating character. I personally like a few story elements of One More Day. I respect everyone who doesn't like the book, but I think certain story elements were handled well; my main issue with Aunt May is her character in the later storylines. Again, she could easily be an interesting character, but it feels like they aren't using her right. I kinda miss when she did know Spider-Man’s secret because they had such a good connection at that point, but I also like a ton of stuff from Brand New Day. My personal wish would be to see more of Peter and Aunt May understanding and respecting each other and her being in on the superhero secret while still exploring more of Peter’s bachelor life. I understand why people have an attachment to the marriage concept though. Even though I have a different point of view here, I like how you guys present your content, and I certainly would like to see more videos from you.
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As someone who has poked around at getting into superhero comics, I think one of the most off-putting part of the genre to me is the reticence to allow characters to go away and stay gone. Do we really need to write monthly stories for like 50-80 years about the same character? End a gd story. Let a character die or retire or whatever and have someone else take over. Batman's been around since the 40's, Dick Grayson should have died or retired as Batman by now and let someone else take on the mantle. It's ok for things to change I don't know why comics need things to practically stay in stasis. It's legitimately insane.
It's mostly marvel and DC that have this problem. Independent superhero comics don't have this baggage (invincible, rising stars, Hellboy, radiant black,etc)
I honestly agree a lot with what was spoken. My only thought is that I feel Bruce should be growing like Peter. As much as we all live the dark aesthetic and brooding nature, nowadays it just seems sad. And I get it's from Alfred death but Bruce is a 35+ year old man who I feel should be dealing with it better. That's just my thought
Agreed. It's time to just let the old coot rest in peace already!
I know you said you do not want people comparing Aunt May and Alfred, yet I would like to see you guys go more in depth in that comparison in a future video. Just because, at least superficially, Aunt May and Alfred do play similar roles in the lives of their respective children.
It's crazy because EVEN THE MCU KILLED THIS LADY OFF.
I honestly think Aunt may just gets divine protection from TOA until she decides she is ready to die then she dies.
I completely agree with you guys, thats why I'm making a Lego Spider-Man stop motion movie series. Showing a mature adult Spider-Man
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I feel like killing aunt may would feel like When Alfred die and have that empty Hole in the stories but I think the main difference is that, Alfred even if hes old he doesnt look that old so you do buy on him still being alive and have still storytelling but aunt may if you tell me shes 100 Years I would Belive, shes looks so old that is just unbelivable on how is she still even walking, like shes inmortal or something and even if shes the moral compass of Spider-Man i still feel he would be mostoy fine without her since he wouldnt lose his Mind unlike Batman with Alfred, bc Bruce needs Alfred but I would say Peter doesnt need aunt may
I find it somewhat ironic that Aunt May has the exact opposite problem that Alfred has in the comics.
It's ironic. If the writing in Spider-Man main comics was good. I would have thought the devil turned aunt may into a living curse for Peter.
A man stuck in time while the world around him moves on without him.
The last time this discussion had social inertia there were several other waves of trends. There was the what is Captain America doing about mutant treatment in America question. There was what are the Avengers doing about young superheroes who are doing vigilante work outside of the law while the Avengers have a piece of property that they're paying rent on and a public persona. Then there is the question of how is Earth not a port planet in a Intergalactic how is Earth not the New York of the Galaxy with Kree, Brood, Skrull, Shi'Ar, Deviants, Eternals, Titans, etc.
Jackpot, Madame Web, Black Cat, Silver Sable, etc.
In the Death In The Family Spider-Man storyline May should have died of old age. No "Norman Osborn kidnapped her and used an actress to fake her death" retcon.
I would want see it happen, as long as it's in a well written way.
They’ve also haven’t even been doing anything interesting with her recently in the comics. Like, look at Zeb Wells run, I think May was in like one of the first few issues, and she hasn’t been seen since (or maybe she has. I don’t know. I haven’t read those books. I only know about them from UA-cam videos). Like, what’s even her purpose now?
So, yeah. I love Aunt May, but I think most of us can agree that she has to go (that feels really bad to type, but I couldn’t think of any other way to say it).
If May dies Peter and Mary Jane should get their memories back, but the world should stay the same
I do feel that if you get Batman old enough, you need to. Especially if the end of his career will be sad like dkr and Beyond. However, that symbolizes Batman’s last link to humanity is gone and editorial isn’t smart enough to put that together.
After discussing Alfred in the last video and Aunt May in this one, are the Lads gearing up to tell us about the Kent family being the literal best people in their world?
Anyone notice that Aunt May barely showed up or is even mentioned in the Zeb Wells run.
I believe it may have something to do with the corporate mandate that stops Peter and mj from ever marring permanently in the main line comics,it became more talked about due to the popularity of the new ultimate universe Spider-Man is a made man because he is married to mj and has two kids, uncle Ben is a live but may isn’t with the Parker’s, but he isn’t Spider-Man on that universe and because the spider-bite never happened he was not connected to the web of life an all the suffering it brings to the individual!
*So yea every time you think about Peter and mj getting together in the main line comics*
1000th view! Nice vid.
Im actually gonna be working on a fan project that takes place shortly after May’s death, gonna be very dark though…so not too sure how people are gonna handle it😅
Every major Spider-Man version (MCU, Insomniac, Ultimate Spider-Man, Into the Spider-verse) has killed May to have Pete grow up
If DC can acknowledge time passing by why can’t Marvel with aunt May?
I agree that she should have peacefuly passed away, but I like the idea she is a secret goddess that is watching over Peter sent over from the One Above All, and that's why she will never die. XD
At this point that’s the only explanation💀
You know what? I like that. She was magic the whole time. Because it would give her something to do.
If that’s the case, every hero should die. We won’t be here forever, our kids deserve an aunt may and so do theirs…she’s a staple character. Just needs better writing
There’s a comic marvel came out with that takes place in a universe where Peter Parker’s aunt d8ed and he is still married to Mary Jane Watson, and it’s called renew your vows, and aunt may did marry j. Jonah sr. In the comics by the way💁🏻♂💯.
Aunt May is the anchor being obvvv
LMFAOOOOO
1:42. Just go to 1:42.
Finally, someone shares my opinion! I've felt this way for a while myself, Aunt May just needs to die. She should've been dead the second Peter became an adult because at that point. he doesn't live with her anymore, so the main purpose of her character has been fulfilled. Stan Lee once said that May has a weak heart and that's why she's constantly ill, but at this point she just needs to go. If May died in the Civil War-Back In Black-One More Day era, that would've been the best option for Peter. And it feels really annoying to the fans because it just implies that Peter can't handle loss even though he's been losing people since his first issue.
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Alfred been gone 2ish yrs I don't think we need him back either
tbf mephisto isn't the real devil he models himself like him but he's not, also peter states in one more day that he would let her go but because he's the soul reason she's dying he cant let that happen, he cant have an other uncle ben moment... people don't seem to understand that, its not character assassination or the worst spiderman comic EVER made or anything there's real motives of why he does it and it makes sense, but in reality i would say its about time to put an end to aunt may, peters old enough in the comics also insomniac did it great, and the other times they killed her off in the comics were good, she doesn't need to be there anymore just do it right and it would be a great send off and character progression for peter.
Her role in PP life should have been over in the 90s.
I'm tired of the "status quo" of comics like let the characters grow or make mistakes
If she died in Civil War and Peter learned to move on, it would have been a perfect opportunity to have Peter forgive himself for Ben. "Forever storytelling" will ALWAYS ruin characters.
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You know, it was MJ who convinced Peter to take the deal. So tell the story right.
Im convinced Aunt may dying will set Peter and the writers free. Aunt May hasnt been significant in Peters story for a long time in recent memory. She hasnt been thr Alfred to Peters Batman. The Jon and Martha Kent to his Superman.
Jameson has been more significant for gods sake for Peter. You could write a story where Mephistos spell is tied to Peters Aunts life and a conflict happens and Mephisto has to save Aunt May to protect his spell/gripe on Peters marriage, Aunt may catches wind and encourages Peter to let her go!!! Something! Anything!!!!
one thing I'm not hearing is to do what JMS did and let Aunt may know peter is spider man
that way she becomes more the mother figure which she is
1:43 😂😂😂😂
Marvel retconning Aunt May's death way back when it honestly such a bad decision that doesn't often get spoken about in comparison to the really big ones when it comes to Spider-Man, we all know what they are. But that decision is just another rung on the ladder of Marvel derailing any character development/ character growth for Peter. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Peter giving up his whole life essentially because Aunt May got shot and was going to die will never make any sense. At least if they had MJ be the one that gets shot and is in critical condition, then the whole story would make a hell of a lot more sense as to why he acts so out of character to the point where he would make a literal deal with the devil.
Thing is Marvel just won't let a Spider-Man Charcter End,
like, Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four Characters, they're fine ending some of them, but a Spider-Man Character, oh god no!
What is that at @1:50
Some voodoo friend of a guy who drives a magical bus in Harry Potter 3 or something.
There always going be another Spider-Man guys! In comics, They always make another Peter Parker that needs some mom love so. No I don’t think Aunt May would dead in comics. Maybe Mainline Aunt May if she still live! I don’t know, I don’t read these comics at moment. I can see others movies taking No Way Home idea and do unqire twist about Aunt May dying in beginning story instead of Unlce Ben could be interesting!!
She always knew, so she made sure to never miss a chance to say how awful Spider-Man is
Ok so who's gonna tell brodie's that in the same story where Peter gets told no by God he also is told by THE SPIRIT OF AUNT MAY that YES PETER IM READY TO DIE AND NOW THAT I KNOW YOU'RE SPIDERMAN I CAN'T WAIT TO DIE AND SEE BEN YOU'LL BE OK YOU HAVE MJ TOO!! And man's STILL WENT TO THE DEVIL......AND SHES CATHOLIC!!!
Oh also imagine someone heard the intro where they say "Spider-Man was in Civil War" but didn't know about the Marvel Arc so then started thinking that Spider-Man was making moves during the actual American Civil War circa. 1861-1865?? LMAO THAT'D BE HILARIOUS!!!!
Yes!
Just for one More Day she die TERRIBLY.
Yes. Kill Aunt May. Kill Paul. Kill Norman & Harry.. Kill Octavius. In fact, have a story that just reverts everything back to the pre-OMD status quo. Make Peter an eternal fugitive. Have Miles have to take over the Friendly Neighborhood with Ben Riley being his Proto Man. Move Peter onto bigger, more world/universe-scale adventures while Miles and Ben do the old-school thing.
You guys should read the new ultimate comics
To be fair Alfred is decently old.
The man served in WW2 and he gets to bang the Queen in her prime for saving her life and hundreds of people at some charity event .
This is before Alfred retires to serve the Wayne family , He got sick of dealing with the army and wars .
Yeah aunt may is older in most timelines since Alfred age can change depending on the writer, Most times the butler is around 50 years old slightly younger sometimes since he does takes care of Bruce for 18 years by himself .
I agree
She shouldn't be. People like to say she should have died after she got shot during the events of Civil War, but the truth is she shoulydve died long ago. The 90's would have been probably best. I don't think that she has added anything terribly important in Spider-Man lore for decades. And if I'm being honest, she was honestly a pretty annoying and terrible character before J. Michael Straczynski started writing her.
When he sits down with GOD and he says "nah man shes 120 and been shot by a sniper rifle" and peter says "i dont accept that" i quit reading spiderman
Wolverine should marry Aunt May, they'd be perfect for each other.
Nah, but it wouldn't bug me so much if she actually did something. Like in Spiderverse. She's not Alfred. So I always ask myself why are you even here? So Peter can live in your house to show that he's hit rock bottom again?