Dancing With The Dragon - China: Friend or Foe? | Full Head to Head | Oxford Union
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China has increasingly dominated headlines as a growing economic superpower whose growth and foreign policy are rapidly restructuring international politics. This head-to-head debate will consider China’s place in the world, whether the balance of global power has tilted towards China, and what the true nature of Sino-British and Sino-American relations are. Has China won? What does winning actually mean for China? Our two speakers will consider these questions and more as we explore how China is remaking the modern world.
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1. Rt. Hon. Sir Vince Cable
Sir Vince Cable is a British Liberal Democrat Politician who served as Party Leader and spent five years in the coalition cabinet as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. He authored The Chinese Conundrum, which explores relations between China and the West.
2. Dr Michael Pillsbury
Dr Michael Pillsbury is Director of the Center on Chinese Strategy at the Hudson Institute. He has held numerous defence and foreign policy advisory positions in the US Government and is considered the architect of Trump’s China policy.
3. Professor Rana Mitter (Moderator)
Professor Mitter is a Professor of the History and Politics of Modern China. He has served as the Director of the Oxford China Centre. He is the author of numerous books on China, including A Bitter Revolution: China’s Struggle with the Modern World.
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Such question is funny. I walk the street and most people walking the street are neither my friend nor foe. Why anyone must live in this world with only friend and foe? Could we live our own life and let others live their own lives.
Are you familiar with the 20th Century?
And China only has 280 nuke heads back in 2000s, while British have over 400 and France have 350. None of these two nations join Russia and United States for nuclear agreement, but yeah, it’s all China’s fault to not join Russia and U.S.
If there is boarder issue, it must be British;
If there is internal issue, it must be CiA.
If British really want to lecture China for human rights and international law, starting with return the treasure you stole from China since 1840’s; if British want to tell us China is doing horrible things, I suggest British read their own history, not in English but those wrote in other languages and then tell us who’s been the bad guy.
This is ridiculous
They always want to be a teacher, and treat China as bad boy, ask China to follow the rule they made. That is funny.
The best way to understand China is to have a visit to China, or talk with as many as Chinese people as you can, not be mis-led by 1 sided or biased saying...
No need when there is online news which tell the truth
The more you are there the more you want to leave. It’s a prison
@@borisssergijevic7357that’s a lot of bs.
The premises that Dr Michael Pillsbury base on with his arguments are horrible, to say the least. Sounds more like he's putting forward excuses for a war. Very dangerous.
He's just salty he go outplayed by the Chinese considering China never had to fire a single shot :D
He want to control Europe. He want control Japan. And he now is trying to control China. China not gonna have it,
Cable is most dangerous he is actual advocate of slavery
Cable Karen same thing
28:40 "We treat our muslims with respect" by having a muslim ban
All wite in china become yellow but in USA all yelow just stay yellow. This is the true injustice number one
That is because the yellows are true to their words.
@@hlyeo98 when wite in USA pass china exclusion law or beat up yellow man they also are true to their words too?
Your comment is confusing.
Can you explain it another way?
@@pub_comrad Yes, they were, for being racists. You are proud of that?
if white people go to work in China, you will call them traitors, and if Chinese people go to work in America, you will call them spies. It seems that America is not a democracy, but a country managed by Hitler.
"is 2 or 3 people in the WORLD who is the MOST authoritative on china" this opening statement is already very unconvincing Cable.
👉Anyone who does not agree with the teachings of Christianity is wrong. In Christianity, only the Christian God is the only true God, _all other gods are false gods_
👉Anyone who does not agree with Western democracy and freedom is wrong. In the face of Western democracy and freedom, only the Western democratic method is the only truth, and _all other political systems are run by dictatorship_
This is the "truth" of Western Values ! ☝️
Cable is joker 🃏
@@hkdood7836 I was at a seminar with him and he didn't even know about the 14 grievances with Australia. Just said Australia had poked China in the eye....
@@Andy-P you should not have went to the seminar to begin with. Just a waste of time
@@kgc3227 I now know that...... will never get those 60 minutes of my life back :-(
Oh, a man from Shell... Last place I'd expect an honest take on anything.
no wonder cable turned out to be such a snake oil salesman he literally worked for an a company 😆
He is slick like the ccp propaganda he is parroting
@@alliesteam1667 *oil company
He is honest in how dishonest he is
Edgy. But I like 👍
No one listens Vince Cable is about China just like how no one listened to Vince Cable about Britain
you do
Since whatsapp has no place in the west wechat has no place in the west. Kick it out already
U can use Wats apps and u cannot use we chat , this is endmerica mentality .
@@heavengod8650 U can use We Chat and u cannot use What’s App. This is chinatzi mentality
@@heavengod8650 Chinese start the endsheena mentality first
@@cheongseaksam
Ur mind being poisoned by western media , china had never interfere in any country internal affairs , unlike ENDmerica .
@@heavengod8650 Chinese ban whatsapp FIRST
All praise to Almighty God ; With the pampas attitude of others come distrust . All praise to Almighty God amen .
No
you can tell how desperate cable is by making everything about the us and China
@@djyx8 he could have saved this talk on his death bed. By the looks of it he isn’t that far off
@@marvinfok65 what nonsense. The American population is way more united and aggressive than Chinese. Look at how Chinese in the USA react when Americans get aggressive with them and threaten them with deportation for treason. Even a beggar has more dignity!
@@marvinfok65 u know American has right to gun? Many such gun was used to killl communist?
@@marvinfok65 I suppose by aggressive, you were saying they very motivated and pro-active?
also those A-hole in power are put on there by the people, thats the curse of democracy, any1 who put the vote cant complain they voted an A-hole. if you dont like them, you always have the freedom and right to overthrow them.
@@yzy8638
@Y ZY
Freedom? Does Americans have true freedom? Every 4 years, Americans were given 2 rotten apples to choose from! Do you even know how much money was spend on the 2020 election? Total 2020 election spending is $14.4 billion, more than double 2016′s sum! $14.4 billion for rotten apples? What an expensive rotten apple!
Is America even a democracy? It must be a joke to say that Americans have freedom! After choosing 'Brandon' over the loud 'Trumpet' with a price of 14.4 billion, US is faced with a historical inflation! After Americans had voted, Americans had no more freedom to choose the country's policies which were to favor the top richest 1% and the powerful lobbies! Even foreign countries who pay lobbies to sway US policies have more power than average Americans!
US is now a plutocracy and it is a joke to say that Americans had freedom! Freedom only belongs to the wealthy and those in power, but not the average Americans!
The 'American Dream' is now a nightmare, and Americans only have freedom in their dreams! When they are awake, they goes back to nightmare! The lives of Average Americans had decline for the last 20 years! Exorbitant healthcare, failing infrastructure, heft student loans, living paycheck to paycheck! 4 millions Americans are going be homeless soon and 1 in 7 Americans kids are going hungry! What a bloody nightmare while Americans keeps pointing their fingers at China and Russia for their own problems.
US's infrastructure is so bad that even developing countries like Thailand and Malaysia had better infrastructure and subways!
I am not an American, a Chinese or a Russian, but I have travelled extensively enough to see the difference! I know the truth hurts, but the pain is not going to go away unless Americans are willing to accept the truth and act on it!
Vince Cable is not British he is just a British passport holder
you mean he doesn't support white supremacy? lol good for him! we build chinatowns everywhere, including in your country. what you gonna do about it. White man can't stop the chinese. Go cry
OPPOSITION 100 %
Cute
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West are 100% back stabber traitors.
@@IO-tr3vr Vince Cable = 🇨🇳 🏃♂️ 🐕
@@IO-tr3vr east are 1000% front stabbing skkkuhm
Surprising view from the British side!
Agreed. Surprisingly naive. :))
@@samo4003 unsurprisingly* wit*
Great to see there are kind-hearted white ppl in Britain
nah, Lib Dems are minority... they are just a bunch of greedy people without moral.
Anything that seems to benefit them, they will support it no matter what it is.
They really did try to sold Britain out for their own benefits, outrageous...
Why is it surprising ?
Is this because some section in the UK does not adhere to the American doctrine ?
The expected double talk from the China apologist. First he says it was the West’s fault for outsourcing its manufacturing to China in the beginning. Then when it is pointed out to him that the West wants to correct the error and bring manufacturing back he then says that shouldn’t happen because of the economic “pain” that would bring. Sorry but it doesn’t work like that.
Agree
All they do is lie. These people are the definition of evil. See how they laughed when they spoke about stealing your wallet? That's what they been doing until China
Dude, no one, but those who are racists, said it's the fault of the West to have outsourced the manufacturing to China. The economic activities were done without cohesion and have benefited all even among Americans themselves. America has become immensely rich with lesser amount by China thru the said globalization interaction. The difference is, China has been investing back into its country to help the lives of masses, while the wealth of the American elites is still trickling by minute drops. CPC is simply a better government!
@cheongseek sam Who are the racists? If it's not the west? The weakest believe they are stronger
@@cheongseeksam3502 How they are racists? They look out for western interests. Self interest come first. If they are racist for call for manufacturing reshoring then Chinese is also racist for calling for manufacturing offshoring. And also further racist call for all Chinese to reshore talent back to China.
Foe. Enjoy your downvote, onto next video
friend. we build chinatowns everywhere. including in your neighborhood. :)
@@levelazn Chinatowns are full of Taiwan flag-waiving Falun Gong members lol
@@TheTranceCartelthose are paid actors
Vince Cable looks like Lord Haw Haw but with no hair
Simply great, attack him personally and yet unable to question the points raised by him
@@iwanagohome326 There is an obvious list that marks out China as a rogue state. Repression of it's own people, Repression of the people of HK, Repression of people of Tibet. Repression of the wiegers, Organ harvesting, knowingly spread Covid, turning a blind eye to the production of Fentynol. Sir Vince is a fool.
@@iwanagohome326 he had no points to attack
@zz m HK is not a part of US. So no it would not work
Haha
China is not America's friend or Foe, China, Russia and India is America's challenge, which America has already lost
Have a good chuckle
Annoying moderator.
I develop nausean every time Cable talk about racism knowing Chinese communist is racism and fascism too
I develop nauseum everytime western politicians and msm talk about human rights
@@taniaaesthetic7699 I develo nausean every time I see servant pro China comment on website banned in China
43:40
Pilsbury is starting to contradict the earlier parts of his own comments on genocide and intellectual property theft? What's going on here?
If Japan supports white supremacy by supporting US foreign policy, then doesn’t this also mean that Russia supports yellow supremacy by supporting Chinese foreign policy?
No, because the Chinese did not invade a white country..
Japan was part of the 8 nations and was the only non-white country.
They were the Proxy for white powers to watch over subjugated Asia, mainly China.
only if yellow supremacy is an actual thing.
@@andyc3012 China doesn’t care about the 8 nation alliance it’s all selective outrage. Russia was part of the 8 nation alliance but China is very close partners with russia today.
@@taitoufeiguo it is
@@ericpeters2305 that has nothing to do with my comment, nor does it prove China does not CARE.
The past is the past, they moved on but it was not nothing.
The Soviet Union were the ones that defeated the Japanese in China.
You knit pick like an idiot -.-
Oxford will probably say friend because they love Chinese Yuan. 😁
It is funny how all the problems America has is due to China.
@ahkee369...And many of these men sure love Chinese and other East Asian women and dragon knows and makes good use of it.
Of course, Oxford needs to live. USD is devaluing fast.
Which university doesn't love money?
@@60yoself-taught The majority will disagree with the characterisation of event based on absolute value defined: work together effectively 🌍.
Vince Cable is to the West what Wang Jingwei is to the East
dr pillsbury is 21st century white necon that cannot accept the legitimate rise of a non-white civilization.
@@levelazn why would he? China doesn’t accept the rise of is a brown civilization namely india and you don’t accept the supremacy of a white civilization. If you don’t accept others then you yourself should accept rejection
@@levelazn lol imagine actually believing this shit
@@adambmorzen china doesn't accept the rise of a brown civlization? to even have that conversation. you have to actually have risen. Where is india relative to china? economically?
@@adambmorzen where did you hear about China opposes the growing of India? The trade between these two countries are actually growing in 2021!
Chinese foreign policy can be very clearly easily understood. To vote is to be white and to obey is to be non white. Chinese goal is to make sure non white do not become white by supporting voting while also turning white into non white by becoming obedient. Good example is look at Chinese views on Taiwan and Russia. Taiwanese is now white because the majority of the population support having elections and use this as the identity difference from Chinese. Meanwhile Russia has now turned into non white because it follows Chinese model of a population who obey the orders of supreme leader and use this as the identity difference from rest of white
Your comment is as shallow as a spray on the ground. If geopolitics and history can be summed in a way like this, there should be no professionals in this field.
@@useurbrain999 unfortunately the western media has heavily brainwashed the majority to believe holding elections is the only legitimate way to produce a government, what they don't know is their pathetic right to vote has almost no power when large capital captures both parties. Elections is more of an entertainment show
@@jackiechen6034 elections are not the only way to produce a government but it is the best way. China disagrees because it appoint itself as the leader of non white and this becomes under attack from elections because to vote is to be white
@@david-ip2eb how did you reach to the outcome that election is the best way? Have you studied the system you would like to compare with? What characters did you compare? Economic growth? corruption index? Citizen satisfaction survey? Or you just think election is the best way the same reason you believe there is one and only one God.
You don't think that elections are held in China? It is clear that English is not your first language, and with the anti-China comments and pro-democracy views, either European or a Russian troll... Either way, you clearly have no idea of how the political hierarchy and (as Daniel A. Bell described) vertical democracy in China function. Not to mention, you have no idea about the relationship that exists between China (PRC) and Taiwan (ROC), nor the underlying history.... Maybe if you took your meds, or flushed the crack, you might actually save the few brain cells you have left.
That American guy is really an American colonialist!! Plus, he should educate himself on Xinjiang because the ‘‘genocide’ is not happening, talk to all the Americans and Muslims who live there, also Taiwan is a part of China according to the American government.
Imprisonment for Vince Cable
Majority would ask for clarification as we seek to persue peaceful solution ☮️ and prosperity for mankind everyone everywhere globally 🌍. We need to refresh our thinking about innovative systems approaches 👁️.
Either you're sick or smoke weed
Iraq, Libya Syria Afghanistan Bolivia Guatemala Cuba ? yes bring those CIA operatives to court for destroying these countries. Yugoslavia! Russia, Solomon Islands, torched, Ethiopia, !
He's enjoying the Red Chinese cash and 💃 too much..
Thanks for sharing and adding value to my day. We have a country to save.
should I be laughing? but I really love your venom x
From imploding.
Ridiculous who do you think you are
@@licao8479 I thought it was humorous like sarcasm or parody
Imperialism at its best.
Foe, and not as formidable as suspected.
Foe with littler for like North Korean
Agreed. It’s not a friend that’s for sure
Fiend
And yet they're winning :)
@@accountantthe3394 China is a paper dragon.. A house of cards.
The difference between the guests and the way I see it: One wants to go to war, the other wants cooperation
China want more
🇨🇳 want war world want cooperation
Cable isn’t in politics anymore because he knows no one will vote for his appeasement garbage
Easy foe.
Thanks CIA bot
@@numuves you're welcome🍟🍔
Vince Cable is an intelligent and honesty person. His analysis is logical and hit the nail in the head.
He still wants to deal with CCP?! Kinda naive at his age, isn't he?
@@salepass1575 ? The CCP that saved the world economy in 2008 by buying up US debt that they do not freaking use to blackmail the US, you mean the same CCP who saved Britains and Germanys car industries by allowing import into their country?
VW largest market? China,
Same country who invest alot in Europe and is germanys larger trading partner,
Oh gee I wonder why anyone would want to interact with a country who has ensured the prosperity of countries in the US and Europe and by providing cheap labour and a massive domestic market for trade,
Are people like you delusional or silly? We deal with Saudi Arabia who are much worse on all metrics by the way and have actually committed genocide as said by the UN in yemen with US military weapons and US logistical aid,
A country who wikileaks showed the US knows funds terrorism and who nearly all of the 9/11 bombers came from,
Odd how afghanistan gets its wealth confiscated and sent to the 'victims of 9/11' while Saudi who literally still funds salafi jihadists is perfectly alright,
We are hypocrites and suddenly we care about human rights? You know the US sanctioned ICC investigators and THEIR FAMILIES who were looking into war crimes committed in afghanistan?
Like WTF, did you forget the austrailian SAS soldiers shooting farmers in their fields?
The west drone bombed iraq and afghanistan and had a 90% civilian casualty rate, we drone bombed journalists as exposed by wikileaks
Seeing how the US spread 'democracy' in latin america (coups,assasinations, propping up dictators as long as it was In the US interest) is it any wonder that they are running to China?
After all this Shouldnt China be the one worried about the human rights abuses of the west not the other way around?
How many foreign wars has china started, how many coups has it supported and governments overthrown in the name of 'democracy' while in actuality it's for western corporations,
The US and Belgium assassinated fabrice Lumumba in the DRC so they could keep raping its resources, these are your paragons of virtue? Same countries trying to overthrow democratically elected governments through the N.E.D
These seem like hypocrites, China is at least honest and non interventionist, they dont tell you to toe a line or pretend to care about corruption or democracy, the US and 'the west' will lose Africa with its patronising hypocrisy that everyone outside of this rose tinted western bubble sees, the south americans see it and so do africans too bad westerners wish to believe in delusion,
US cares about human rights ? Lol the journalist who exposed what Chevron did in Latin america has been under house arrest for 3 years, same with 'enhanced interrogation' lol, no country has breached the geneva convention more than the United States yet I dont see you asking why we deal with them
Julian Assange? Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden? Sure Is a free country until you expose the evil the government commits then you see it's TRUE underbelly
@@cuthelar7453 OMG you wrote a fking essay. CCP tolls are really upgraded, aren't you?
Well, you are right, CCP is going to rule the world, and we praise the greatest chairman Mao and Xi. Who cares all the population killed by CCP.
@@salepass1575 great point mate 👏👏👍, the CCP really did a number on afghanistan and destroyed Iraq for WMDs that seemingly have the power of invisibility and overthrew Gaddafi to disintegrate a once great country into one with open air slave markets,
They sure have instigated so many coups in latin america they cant even count them with both hands,
They have engaged in breaches of the geneva convention through the sheer number of civilian casualties in the various wars they engaged in, and through 'enhanced interrogation'
China is the only country that used a nuclear weapon and invaded a country of peasants in vietnam and engaged in chemical warfare,
Seeing all this you're right mate, evil CCP, bad CCP ohhh wait the US did all this not China?
Holy shit, I thought we should all lick the blood and shit stained boot of the leader of the free world cause they are so moral right?
How many foreign wars has china started in 70 years? How many has america? Who just supported Saudi Arabia in committing genocide in Yemen and has been drone bombing the hell out of Syria like it's a terra forming mission?
Who lifted 800million people out of poverty? Ain't China surely? That would make you look idiotic now wouldnt it? Pretending we dont already support a bloodthirsty genocidal regime, if China had even half the wars the US did and half the civilian casualties wouldnt they be better?
Good news China has zero civilian casualties in foreign wars in over 50 years and Zero foreign wars !!!!
@@cuthelar7453 yeah the logic in your essays is classic CCP propaganda. Either little pinky or CCP 20 cents troll.
listening to cable while reading reports of Russia annexing Ukraine. His message of appeasement is utterly vomit inducing
Shame on US government that encourages Ukraine to fight Russia, and flees and leaves Ukraine unprotected in no time.
@@ZhangJingyuan shame on the Chinese government for not pulling back the leash of its Russian sniffer dog
@@ZhangJingyuan shame also on Chinese government for encouraging Chinese Americans to spy on America and then abandoning them to to their deaths
@@ZhangJingyuan deport Chinese Americans back to China
@@missileboat5276 yes totally agree with that
Vince cable is a wannabe Joshua Wong
Joshua Wong is winnable and idiot. You people show no respect towards the wise man Vince Cable.
@@zaoan636 If they do know who should they look up to, their country won’t be a mess like now.
@@zaoan636 Vince Cable is an idiot. You people show no respect towards the wise man Joshua Wong
Vince Cable +100000 social credit points
I grew up in china, whats this social credit score you talk about? how come i never heard of it?
@@levelazn . You have to pity Flag Unit for his alternative reality. He is being disinformed by WION's "news" daily. 🙄🙄
@@levelazn because most likely you now live in America
@@HTeo-og1lg wion does news cgtn does propaganda
Ask this question to that US guy. Let say China economy is like India today and India in the shoes of China advancing to replace US as the No 1, would US actions be the same? We all knew US destroyed Japan some 30 years ago when it was in the same position of China today.
Than there will be like "Pakistan genocide" "dalit human rights" "sikkim independence" and shit.
It is Funny to see the unseen
What you mean?
Cable’s views are just like the party he belongs to. Basically a non entity
I used to support his party & thought he was sensible but he is way out of his depth......
On the contrary, I believe the world would be a much better place if people in Britain and America listen a lot more to people like him.
@@johnwong157 in my opinion majority of people in UK & USA have been listening to views like Vince Cable for last decade or two, & have chosen to change their opinion & their leadership. Fortunately the Leadership seems to be listening to publics opinion.
@@johnwong157 The Chinese Community Party agrees whole heartedly.
@@112deeps Right, they've had the good will of the world behind them the last 30 years. Xi Jinping has squandered that good will in an incredibly short period of time. The world has woken up to the true nature of the CCP, thank god. I just pray it's not too late.
A high quality debate, well moderated.
Engaging with others requires an understanding of them, their principles, and the premises of their thinking. Obviously respect of territorial integrity and order over chaos are at the core of Chinese and Russian thinking and dialogues. Making sure that they do not feel that they are fighting to protect their National Sovereignty is obviously important. Setting Ones Own Policy boundaries even if powerful enought not to adhere to such is WISE. This in Fact applies to ALL and Not Just one or another. Some may be more sensitive because of prior historic Experiences. However, Defensive Actions are Always More Determined and Resolute. I would Advise "Wise Reasonable Global Leadership". Nuclear Risks are in fact Global Insanity.
not really, it's like a guy debating with Trump who can't even answer a simple question and keeps repeating the same bs
You can’t have a debate with communists
@@frontrowspectator5991 I see we have a Trump supporter🤣
Did I just hear that the so-called genocide did not actually happen? It's just very good rhetoric. It did not involving killing any people. It's just re-education and job training, persuading people away from the fate becoming a human bomb. So how's that a worse fate than being water-boarded in Guantanamo Bay?
Foe, duh
Foe x2
Yes
Why?
The association with Oxford is good?
Yes
Pillsbury’s comparison of Xi to Hitler is a good one. Trump and many politicians in Europe have been accused of being Hitler even though they are far more democratic than Xi so it is only fair and logical that the same applies to Xi
I wouldn't expect a friend to lie to me and gaslight me.
are you speaking for france?
@@levelazn no, definitely he is by Australia.
@Srika Redhouse : Clearly, he is speaking about USA. We know America is the biggest liar in the world. America has never kept any agreements, promises or treaties. They just talk with forked tongue.
@@elliekwong3180 no it is obvious he speak of China see his other comments
@@elliekwong3180 Native Indians made reference to the "fork tongue" about the Americans and we know how tragic their ethnicity got wiped out and vast lands looted.
One of the speakers had a forked tongue, with all the muslim deaths by USA recently (drone strikes in Afghanistan, Syria)... this clown suddenly cares about Chinese muslims?!
"There is no worse blind than one who does not want to see." Vince Cable's blindess is pitied. Another Neville Chamberlain even worse.
America sending a list to China to tell them to treat the Muslim Uyghur with respect? hahahahaha, what a f**king hypocritical joke! Remember Guantanamo? War on Terror? More Blacks incarcerated in America? Just say it simply, Chinese skin is yellow, how dare they challenge the whites.
@@franko1904you are right the Chinese treatment of Uighurs is something the United States could learn. Many Chinese in United States are traitors who collaborate with the Chinese government and could use some internment and re-education.
@@tacosandairplanes3932 some could also use capital punishment
Luckily we can all see his blindness
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Pillsbury 👍
Cable 👎
you mean pillsbury right?
Conversation with the respect of each other's culture V.S. war based on judgemental bias view for each other, you choose which one is wiser
Vrata se w
Genocide isn’t culture
@@pranktime165 so does making up accusations for wars, that shouldn’t be the culture. Do more research before judging, be cautious for propagandas.
Xi and his thugs are evil. Look at what they do.
@@Erik-rp1hi the CPC has lifted 800 million people out of extreme poverty, eradicated homelessness from the country, built 38,000km High Speed Rail for the people, improved standard of living for their own people. How evil can that be? Tell me which Western country leader can accomplish such deeds for their own citizens?
Chinese is investing overseas to expand its power not because it wants world peace
A China bashing Chinese!
investing in africa is a sound strategy for peace, because africa didn't have peace due to it being ravaged by colonialism. development and prosperity brings peace. not slavery and racist neglect.
And you think western world starts wars all over the world with better intention?
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Absolutely, i see china rising in the near future
Vince Gable --- a really wise man👍👍👍 Michael Pillsbury --- a dangerous warmongerer 👎👎👎
I keep returning to this debate because these are two of the best experts who've ever debated Western policy on China, but one thing Pillsbury keeps saying is totally wrong. He keeps pointing to China's "genocide of the Uyghurs", which isn't correct, there is ideological reeducation of the Uyghurs because ideological uniformity is important in non-Democratic countries. How ironic he says China should "respect their Muslims" when he was part of the administration that had a "Muslim ban" on all Muslims entering America.
We exited the EU :( and now please... we need the money...!
uk long since dead
Beggars cannot be choosers. Without the ccp shilling Vince Cable would be on welfare benefits
UK people shouldnt be too upset, the taiwanese voted to import drugged pork from USA and radioactive food from Japan. UK, you not the worst yet.
@@colinscarborough2550 nmsl
@@yzy8638 the worse is importing food from 🇨🇳. It is biological warfare because of the diseases it comtains
Flatten the curve of China’s growth. Slow down the infection rate and give Asia’s freedom fighters air to breathe
Sure, like what have been done to Muslims in the Middle East, countries destroyed with freedom of supremacists killing for fun.
@Srika Redhouse typical eastern propaganda
@@cheongseeksam3502 nobody cares about Muslims. Certainly not China which has sent untold numbers of them to camps for re-education
@Srika Redhouse typical eastern skkkuhm
@Srika Redhouse typical eastern 🐕 💩 response!
The topic should have been "The CCP: Friend or Foe?
Foe for sure
A foe because it is a fiend
No the topic should have been “The CCP: Hiroshima or Nagasaki?
@@watcher7814Calm down, nobody's asking about your wet dreams
Vince Cable’s prayer for Xi are the final wishes of a has been
The US is becoming a has been.
Who cares! China makes an effort to surpass itself. The fact that the rest are falling behind is the deficiency in their effort which they have to look into themselves and nobody else! Ha!
It’s looking like the Anglo-empire is the “has been.” Not everyone who is white is a bigot and imperialist, just most.
@@sol6835 Some people still cling to bad mouthing China no what. However, their days of White Supremacy are over.
Funny this old man keep saying china human right abuses, yet never mention all the human right abuses to the blacks in their own country and all the atrocities US had committed to the world, typical US mindset
Next Vince Cable will be telling us how the Sino Wahhabi alliance will bring peace to the Middle East. There is no lie this guy won’t tell to make a quick buck
His vision maybe round them up and re-educate them in camps surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire fences?
What has the US-Wahabi alliance brought to the Middle-East?
you know that CCP is controling WHO and IOC right..
@@bururei5844 show concrete evidence to persuade me.
@@thabom9791 just wealth from oil!
Foe. Absolute Foe.
*No you "Yu" are "foe"*
whether a Chinese will want democracy actually depends on the race of the people in charge of the country. If the people are white then the Chinese will ask for elections with the aim of revolution because white is the biggest threat to Chinese. But if the people in charge is non white then the Chinese will ask for submission because they can be naturally “managed” and so pose no threat to a Chinese
India is a threat to the CCP too. The threat to single party rule is more values than origins driven.
hmmm Chinese don't refer to skin color
@@RoadstersRegistry shh he's just having a racist fever dream,
The white mans burden and the like,
born a century too late unfortunately, I pity him so
@@audience2 this is not really right. Yes india and China has problems but that does not explain why China focuses its attacks mainly on countries where white is in charge even though India is the bigger “threat” for China (it shares a border literally with China) only race can explain why. If China is able to defeat white then China will easily be able to defeat a brown
@@cuthelar7453 not at all. There cannot be a racist bone in me when I am simply exposing the racism of Chinese thinking. You sound like a person who needs to stop making excuses for the yellow man’s burden
Losers usually beat the war drums with fake facts.
Putin and Xi are beating them in unison right now. ;-)
Tell Xi to stop beating the drums
how d fuq did this cable dude got to join this discussion? dude is utterly clueless
Yeah dude should go on Reddit more often to check out what SHOULD be the China approach
People can believe what they wish, but any smart person should know that if those beliefs are narrow, your every outcome will be narrow and restricted. You stop yourselves from moving forward in ways that make sense.
Casey Ford
No, human beliefs do not determine outcomes. God's Sovereignty does.
I'm not suggesting that we have no agency, but it is limited in scope.
We prosper in ways which really matter when we cooperate with His purposes. The greatest of those, so far as we are concerned, is the salvation of human beings.
(John 3:16) 'For God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.'
What is 'moving forward'? Insofar as Time proceeds in one direction only, we cannot avoid 'moving forward'. The universe changes irrevocably, even as we sleep.
What are you doing really? Arguing for abject submission to the CCP without mentioning it at all? Out with it, man; say what you mean.
Please see my comments above
“Narrow and restricted” is sort of the definition of Western thought, particularly the Anglos.
@@Sol-In-Seoul
There is some truth in that. (I live in a multicultural yet Anglo-dominated society.) But the same criticism could be applied just about anywhere, don't you think? People are naturally self-centred. Cultural insularity and chauvinism express that tendency. So does grasping imperialism.
None of which are alien to China today..........
On the other side of the coin, we should not accept all influences and practices indiscriminately, as though Truth did not matter. Indeed NO human culture is a reliable yardstick by which to measure Truth.
However the WORD OF GOD is such an indicator.
Though written originally in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, though it tells mostly of events which happened in the Near East from 4K to 2K years ago,
the Bible exists for the instruction and salvation of ALL humanity.
@@marcusonesimus3400 Chinese philosophy tells us nature (天) is that measure of truth.
Just can't believe so many prejudiced and hateful comments on this serious debate. Some guys saw 50 minutes debate and can only comment on who takes money from China? Is that actually what you think? Interesting.
Most basic fact is that, if US’s human right and democracy is the basic right for all the races, so China should have her right, same for all the Chinese people. Otherwise when you question Chinese right on international platform, the us’s so-saying human right is a right only for white or for western country or only for a small group people in this world. Then when they push these ideal through the world to turn other countries upside down they are doing something else. British professionals holding much more healthy view then American!
Cable simply looks ridiculous symping for China from the safety of his home in the UK. Right up there with people in ballgowns complaining about poverty
Fartbox. What is the difference someone like yourself talking smack about China and him on your keyboard
@@allowedme literally what I was thinking 😂
@@allowedme Why would Cable be on his keyboard. Maybe he’s on your keyboard? Vince Cable is that you?
@@allowedme what’s the difference between Vince and a quadriplegic? A quadriplegic has a spine
thats the neoglobalist PC fascism at work and bankrolled by the global communists. If China is home to the corona 🦠 then Cable is home to the globalist 🦠. two superspreaders who both require the Western vaccinator
i hate seeing the world in a country to country basis, you completely ignored the living standard of individual people
But that is how human kind can organize as far. Human can not collaborate flexibly at larger scale and autonomously. So without country-country interaction it is hard to imagine individual survival. The latest effort trying to minimize the concept of country and unite workers all over the world was Karl Marx
@@sullivanzheng9586 We need governments to exist because we need to protect our individual properties from people without a proper moral standard, we need governments to protect and give us basic human rights, like NHS, freedom of speech etc.
However, we don't need to cooperate with governments that don't respect human rights.
Even with Brexit, we can still cooperate with the EU, and Australia New Zealand Canada USA etc.
Of course, the pro-China politicians will lose benefit and that's... wonderful.
There are so many other countries to trade with, why China, right?
I suggest you to research and try to understand Chinese culture before jumping into conclusions, it’s totally different culture different philosophy from US, human right does not weigh as such value in the culture.
@@a.d.5121 just as you said, human right doesn't weigh as such...
well, in order not to be influenced by that, in order to avoid having our own fundamental concept of human rights to be harmed, to prevent us from being acculturated, we should stop having any kind of business relations with China.
We should hold our values, put our own people as priority, put ourselves out of harms way first.
And trust me, I really know a lot about Chinese culture, and traditional Chinese culture values communities more than individuals, but it doesn't mean that the Chinese don't value their lives any lower than we do. This was changed only after the CCP took over, the CCP destroyed Chinese culture.
Therefore, if we really want to respect Chinese culture, don't do business with the CCP.
@@charr6108 LMAO. Before CPC(yes, its name is officially the Communist Party of China) took over, the warlords backed by western imperialism of *your* countries had been killing and exploiting normal people for years. You western so-called "adventurers" and "businessmen" but in fact, official pirates and robbers have been invading and colonizing countries like China for decades, grabbing resources, treasures, and slaves like a greedy kid grabbing candies. I mean, the Brits started a war against Qing China for what? Selling bloody opium. What about the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882? Who coined the term "Sick man of East Asia"? Hell, even as recent as in the 60s and 70s, Chinese people are treated as second-class citizens in HK. You *never* cared about human rights, at least not the human rights of Chinese people, so why pretend now? Learn your own bloody history.
Oh wait, you do care about ‘human rights", BUT you have a very flexible definition of what and who can be classified as "human". White, nobility, citizen? Yes, human. Colored, slaves, native normal people on foreign land? No no no, those are animals. That's literally what the west has been doing for centuries. Human rights (and "freedom", in that regard) historically have always been about wealth, fortunes, and properties in the west. It's what the emerging bourgeoisie used to protect their personal wealth from the king and the government. There's no "human" factor in "human rights". Or as said by George Carlin, "There are no human rights. There are only temporary privileges."
And you claim you know traditional Chinese culture? LMFAO. Do you even know the idea of 天下为公? (Hint: It's from 《礼记·礼运》) CPC has been doing better in this regard way better than what you western politicians, or should I say, clowns. Care to look up the number of infected and dead due to COVID in the US? Human rights? More like a "free to die and infect others while doing so" right.
All those "manufactured" accusations on China
Not manufactured just a reflection of reality
according to who
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Thank God Vincent cable is no longer relevant in British politics
Why is opposition to China always reduced to a fight between US and China? Do people not know that the countries which are most opposed to China are from the East and not the West?
Only America is loud and bold to state their opposition.
In the East everyone is quiet.
It's America taking the lead and stepping up, and thank God they are or the rest of you would be subjugated like the tibetans, mongolians, HK, Taiwan (soon enough.... unless the usa stop china)
@@TheBillaro yeah so the world can look like Iraq, Syria, Libya afghan. Got it lmao
Palau New Guinea
Lol. SE Asia just started RCEP with China? Which countries opposed China?
“You little prick Easterhase.”
Does anyone remember the U S. Bombing the Chinese embassy in Sebia circa 1999? The Chinese remember…
Why they would remember when they forget Tiananmen?
Vince Cable is 21st century Neville Chamberlain
vince cable is nuanced, and its lazy to compare him to historical figures
I concur wholly. Same as Rudd, & David Cameron & their ilks. Used to think they were sensible... But in reality more like Fossils!
@@levelazn yeah the nuance of a Neville Chamberlain
I don’t ever recall the senile apologist ever appeasing the Saudis the way he does with the chicoms.
Cable is a white dude trying to be Chinese. It’s so gross it is sad. (And I’m saying this as a black dude with no intention of being white)
啥呀，啥都没讨论出来就结束了，我只能说这种对中国带有强烈的主观攻击性色彩的观点，在油管已经见怪不怪了
Why so many Hong Kong people want to leave ?
@Texx Mexx Where did you get this news that many HK people want to return to China? "Will want" or "are wanting" ?
@Texx Mexx If you are in UK, then you must be blind. Did you see that many Hong Kong people ARE moving to UK now?
@Texx Mexx Are you American or Canadian? And were you a Hongkongers before immigrating here? You seem to know a lot about Hong Kong and June 4 Massacre but in fact you are lying !
@Texx Mexx By the way, do you know how many Hong Kong people are applying to emigrate versus how many returning to China or Hong Kong?
Sing Tao group is now controlled by pro-CCP people! If you don't believe this, watch the UA-cam videos posted by "singtaotv" ! (if you understand Chinese)
@Texx Mexx And you should ask why these "singtaotv" people don't return back to Hong Kong or China !
China will ditch everyone. Recently, China destroyed a Buddhist monastery in front of the monks 😔
Recently? they already doing it since Mao era try to learn cultural revolution. News only focus on xinjiang china has already suppress all religious freedom including christianity, falun gong, etc. but the only narative that goes to public is only xinjiang
+Bipul Kumar Das Propaganda.
You forgot to mention WION in the list of ditching? How could you be so lazy in doing your speel? 🙄🙄
Alot of CCP bots and human propagandists in this comment section, beware
Alot of pro-American bots and anti-China propagandists in this comment section. beware
Philippines renounce it’s victory? What is he talking about?
Some BS
check philipines china dispute and philipines president reaction.
Americans are leaving USA in record numbers ... dumping their passports overboard .... living as expats in the Philippines.
And Aussies are joining the bandwagon.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
@@chaitanyag.8415 Philippine president is China vassal
@@tanaltricio7832 American and Australian to Filipino will be replace by Chinese immigration who become new American and Aussie
China doesn't regard any country as foe. But the Anglo-Saxon club, except NZ, regard it as one. A one-sided enmity, although Japan and some EU countries do too.
I feel Oxford is a huge risk of sliding into an overly left leaning bias, as a place that is meant to be the fortress of reason and balanced discussion this is worrying, but it's good we still have real debate somewhere, but for how long I wonder
Tommy Robinson and a Racist statue radical left I think. (Sarcasm)
Agreed.
You're totally right
i feel oxford is a huge risk of sliding into an overly right leaning bias, as a place that is meant to be an debate forum that respects nuanced debates with facts and statistics.
This WAS a balanced conversation. It’s just unlike the right wing propaganda that you’re used to feeding on.
Trade Vince Cable for a Hong Konger at least the Hong Konger will be more grateful
trade vince cable for a hong konger, at least vince cable will be more grateful, when the british never gave hong kongers an vote in british parliament under colonialism
Basically according to the British gentleman China just wants to restore to its former self and keeps American out of Asia. The America, per the American, however, wants it all and won’t give it up without a fight. Looks like kinetic conflict is inevitable to settle the difference Dian the road.
MR. Mitter, Please quit shaking your feet on stage ! If there's a next time. Thanks.
When Canle start to talk I start to vomit
stop deep throating white supremecy then.
@@levelazn White's make 10% of the world's population. How is there White supremacy ?
@@paulfri1569 why do Filipinos speak Spanish ? And why was hk a British colony ? Why are most of jailed in us brown people ? Why aren’t there mora native Americans in the us ?
So Cable hates Trump but likes Xi. #doiblestandards
whats a doible?
@@seanw9074 a doible is a spelling error that means double… But you knew that already.
Xi the mild-mannered, baby-faced psychopath.
@@wattlebough ofc i did.
but when ur trying to make a point.
dont look stupid while making it.
@@seanw9074 Lol. Pointing out obvious spelling and grammar errors and ignoring the point makes a person look stupid champ.
Lol Michael even talks like Trump
So?
Vince Cable is better off retiring and just disappearing from public view forever
why? He has some good points.
@@dimsumden5745 good talking points sent by the Chinese consulate
Sneaky old businessman's message is "don't worry your little heads peasants, profits are great"
Cable is the kind of guy who only understands numbers on a page. It's managerial elitists like him who've been hoodwinked over the past 40 years by a bunch of psychopaths with an actual political ideology.
Keep that money flowing.
It takes wisdom to get SIR Vince Cable's message: don't be the kids on the playground.
@@zaoan636 Vince Cable’s message is I will spread my legs for free
@@zootsoot2006 His views on China are not popular in his own party.
Such a conversation can happen in Oxford.
This conversation could not happen in Beijing.
+Paco Macaw Because your western supremacist indoctrination say so🤡
There are actually similar discussions in Peking University
@@ensteffo your yellow supremacist indoctrination say so 🤡
@@outisnemo555 Peking U is Oxford U but with autisim
@@ensteffo no because it’s the truth. The conversation cannot happpen in Beijing because Beijing is the capital of the second Empire of Japan
You are either with us or against us!
Isn’t that a little primitive nowadays?
The winner of this debate is the interested viewer. Both men are enlightening. The commentator is excellent.
Hi
No
Great 'discussion': realist vs appeasement.
Chamberlain would be very proud of Cable.
Why not mention the Nazis explicitly and be 100% predictable?
@@Lost_Johnny “predictable” because……..it’s true
Is China preparing to invade the UK?
@@tracylee6413 no but it (the PRC) is preparing to invade Taiwan
@@dineshpotyar6820 Not invading, but reunifying, just like the American civil war. The South tried to break away from the union, and the Union said no. Chinese civil war actually never ended. No peace treaty was ever signed, unlike the Korean War. This will be a continuation of the civil war.
And this is why Britain is in utter decadence. Greed. Yes, looking at you "Sir" Vince Cable
edit: typo
why?
I think Sir Vince Cable won the debate if the debate is based on statistic and logic
#freehongkong #taiwanisacountry #chinamustpay #freetibet
nope russia did not agree for china to be included in the usa talks
Yeah. And the way this American lier presented the information misleads the audience in a big way. And he didn't mention why the Chinese refuse to attend the meeting: China has far less Nucs than the US and Russia. If China should attend the meeting, then UK and France should also be there.
Correct Russia was just following orders to protect their Chinese master
@@tsaithejinpingslayer8823 Lol so you agree that the anti Chinese guy lie.
The Russian vassal being the Russian vassal
Because Russian are wite man with self hating and this cause them to service yelow man
Is there a second half?
The answer is simple: if you treat it as a friend, it will be a friend. If you treat it as a foe, it will be a foe.