The physics of a slow muscle up with no false grip
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Calisthenics and bodyweight strength training advice for older athletes.
This video takes an in-depth look at the physics of the slow muscle up done without a false grip. There’s no math - just easy to understand diagrams. Also, a retraction of and apology for my earlier statement that this move is impossible and that videos depicting it are faked.
Contents of this video:
0:00 - Intro
1:45 - Apology
3:37 - Rehash of my old argument
6:50 - Videos of people doing slow muscle ups with no false grip
7:41 - Explanation of how the move is possible
11:29 - Training for it
12:53 - Is the slow muscle up with no false grip useful?
14:30 - The king of the slow muscle up
16:12 - Summary and thanks
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BARSCIENCE101:
• Slow Muscle Up - No Fa...
• One Arm Pull Up & Slow...
YoloFitness:
• Slow NON FALSE GRIP Mu...
OfficialBarstarzz:
• Slow (No False Grip) P...
SAIBOV CALISTHENICS
• TOP 5 HARDEST MUSCLE U...
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I decided to give the slow muscle up with no false grip a try again after seeing your video, but adjusting the grip without upward momentum just doesn't seem possible no matter how much I raise my legs to move my center of mass to the other side as suggested in the video. With that being said, I really like how you break things down scientifically, and I hope you can actually learn this move and break it down again for us in the future.
Saibov Calisthenics has done a few slow muscle ups without any false grip. He did a muscle up by hanging out of his fingers only!!!
ua-cam.com/video/OvmtJy_HksQ/v-deo.html
Yeah, it's freaking hard. I don't think it's in the cards for me, but if you want to learn it, I'd work the transition starting from the top.
@@The_Aging_Warrior basically, a no false-grip slow muscle up, requires you to have an impossible dip / triceps extension dip. Which is one of the hardest calisthenics feats.
@@propkillerr no, I can't do impossible dip but i achieved slow no false grip mu
Okey, I can do this move, so maybe I can give you some advices I learnt with time.
1- Master the false grip muscle up. Use weights, practice negative repetitions if you can't lift you anymore during your training.
2- Take care to always keep your elbows behind you during the transition (not in the sides !)
3- Indeed, friction matters a lot.. Don't use chalk when trying w/o false grip muscle up.
4- Just practice false grip muscle up a lot, until you feel the move so annoyingly easy that you wanna stop using false grip..
Last tip could seem to be stupid, but that's what I felt. Just by doing tons of false grip ones, the w/o false grip one was just a little harder version of the move, but that's it !
ua-cam.com/video/SZQDdQGsiPA/v-deo.html
watch this saibov, iron wrist muscle up
I stumbled upon ur video this morning and while trying the slow muscle up with no false grip really feels impossible, your other tips have helped me achieve a super strict muscle up while being in an L-Sit position. Felt amazing so thought I'd share it with you. I've never been able to do it until today. Thank you from Malaysia!
Glad my tips have helped - congratulations!
You, my good warrior, have earned a true doctorate w/ this combination of humility, physics, humor, graphics, physical skill, and implanting viable optics into my brain 🧠!
I personally find it very interesting and appreciate the illustration.
This man is a mad genius, I can do a slow muscle up with false grip. I’m try your method when I do this.
Hi thank you for sharing.I finally got the last year the slow Mu with no false grip for me really helped training the impossible dips for to strengthen triceps and wrists and then learn how to engage my shoulders when passing the bar.
Thanks - yeah, maybe I'll starting working on it at some point... if my shoulder ever heals.
Great video my buddy ! As I could do a slow no false grip muscle up, the entire video is true, and very reasonable with my General Physics course
Impressive analysis, I'm quite interested in this move, it's even what inspired me to start training calisthenics near the end of 2016. Some thoughts:
* To adjust the center mass position not only the hips but the spine can be flexed too, I noticed it in Saibov's best muscle up where there's not much hip flexion.
* To gradually rotate into a false grip on the way up strong wrist flexors are needed, while in Saibov's iron wrist version it looks like he grips the bar strongly so the knuckles keep facing in the same direction, and he uses the wrist extensors to rotate the forearm until his upper body is far enough above the bar to allow him to lean forward before starting the dip.
* The main part of the movement I'd train to strengthen any kind of slow muscle ups is from where the arms are along the body at the top of the pull up to where the chest would rest on the bar even if you took the hands off, which is the bottom of the dip. Beginners can train it with a false grip and feet pushing on a surface for assistance, while stronger athletes can do it weighted or work on reducing the amount of false grip they use.
Thanks - your analysis is also quite good.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I got the physics right, but I feel like I didn’t explain it well enough. I need some physics animation software or something...
Hi Warrior.
I loved the physics explantion and their corresponding graphs a lot!
Same as your willingness to be held accountable to your statements, and your having an open mind to entertain a thought opposed to your current (back then) views.
(Sadly ) Not very common these days.
Excellent vid, thanks for uploading fun/educational vids!
Thanks! Glad you enjoy them!
You added the video I suggested you! :) that made me happy
Excellent video!
You really deserve way more views.
Yeah - I was going to message you about it. Thanks again for helping to straighten me out!
@@The_Aging_Warrior thank you for the professional content you share with all us!
By the way, I have some techniques that I believe you haven't consider for your handstand on rings. I would be more than happy to share them with you, if needed! Let me know. Take care
@@zhere97 For sure. I'll take any help I can get!
Awesome video, man! You've inspired me to get a pull up bar and get to work, maybe I'll post some progress videos :)
Thanks!
great and knowledgeable content sir
just subed
Excellent inspiration.
I use a false grip, but generally place the heel of my hand/wrist over the bar. The no false grip slow M'up is the goal ;)
Entertaining and educational. I'm still a long ways away from the muscle up
Great video. This will be a major calisthenics channel on my list.
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it.
Thumbs up to your acknowledgement of the mistake. I am training to do my first muscle up at 47 which many years of chronic rotator cuffs and impingement issues. The journey have make me realise how push and curl dominant i am. Although i am doing alot of pull ups including weighted ones, its vertical pull.
I saw how chris heria is effortlessly doing muscle ups. The key is his activation of the lats and triceps for a more angled horizontal pull. The end result is a way longer range of motion. He is able to pull all the beyond the lower chest to the abs. The transition is easy for him at that angle. This is the target of my training now. To relearn my pull ups for a more horizontal angled pull. Despite the pain from the dips training stressing the shoulders, the horizontal pulls and Australian pull ups seems to neutralize my shoulder issues. I am training the weak and longer scupular with the horizontal pulls. I believe the training will help my chronic shoulder impingements.
Thanks! Yeah, the more angled horizontal pull is very helpful for the fast muscle up.
Thanks for sharing this actually solve my final step problem
I'm still only 22, but this video convinced me that the MU with no false grip isn't worth it for me. I think it's a move that might prove life-saving in dangerous situations but it's very advanced and not very good for longevity either. I'll swallow my pride and stick to the false grip, it's the simplest and most effective way.
Well, I wasn't trying to convince anyone not to do it. You'd definitely get bragging rights! But... I don't think it's useful at all. The no-false-grip technique wouldn't help you pull yourself onto a roof or ledge. And on any kind of a bar, it's easy enough to jump your hands into a false grip on the way up.
Just going to leave my comment here, hoping that one day I will do exactly like Ruslan Saibov. Been working hard to do this move.
I am in awe of your seriously inspiring video!
I need your expertise please-I can,using a false grip,make it to the point where my legs are completely parallel to the ground having pulled myself close to the bar.
But then,my lack of strength catches up and I just cannot rotate up the bar.😞
Are there certain special exercises I can do to ultimately reach the promised land?
I am 59 and quite fit.
It’d be like a dream come true to achieve the muscle-up.
Thanks for the awesome video.😊
Thanks! Remember though - I wasn't able to do it without a false grip. So no need to be in awe of me :)
As far as just doing it: have you watched my other video on the slow muscle up? That one uses a false grip. In that video I explained that I learned the transition first on rings where it's both easier to do and easier to learn. Then taking it to a bar was pretty easy. That's what I think you should do. It's definitely learnable!
Have you seen this muscle up from Saibov? ua-cam.com/video/9UR3Xz3dFkE/v-deo.html / This is probably the closest you can get to a no false grip muscle up, he just uses slightly more wrist flexion than a normal pullup to get up and over the bar.
I was just looking for a comment just like yours. Hopefully, Robert stumbles across our two responses. In fact it is very possible to do such Muscle Ups - although, they seem to be much easier to be performed on the rings as you have more options with changing the ring´s positions and your body alignment. Saibov is probably the most famous athlete who got very popular by doing his no-false-grip slow muscle ups aka "Iron Wrist" Muscle Ups. He and several other athletes are able to perform such Muscle Ups without any wrist rotation at all (also Saibov has done even harder variations of these MUs). Having achieved such Muscle Ups on my own, I can admit that you probably will have to specifically train for them for several years as the wrist joints take a long time to adapt and to get strong enough. Plus you will also need very strong triceps as the Muscle Ups get much more push-dominant compared to a regular slow muscle up, where you start the dipping portion much later (when your body is higher).
I love your explanations. Thanks you
Thanks!
thanks so much, you have enlighten my question weeks ago after seeing a calisthenics guy doing such impossible grip rotation! i like all your content 🥰🥰🥰
Thanks - I appreciate it!
@@The_Aging_Warrior its my pleasure 🙏 are you on tiktok as well so i can follow you there.. im more active on tiktok for my fitness activity..
Oh yeah I’m a 63-year-old fairly new to calisthenics and I’m totally Nurding out on it
10/10, It can be done, but additional weight plate is required. And I am working towards to it, my body weight is 79kg and its is much harder than people with lighter weight.
Subscribed 👏🏻
Slow muscle up with no false grip, seems to be better than a false grip one because of ROM at the elbows. Which is great if your body can handle it.
But slow muscle up is definitely superior than a fast one because of time under tension. Maximizing strength
I love it! Scientific and rational in daily workout!
All of it was good, thanks!
Thank you so much I thinking since a long time why we must do things we don't want to do ikana train it like you explain it thank you so much
He is so funny 😂 I love this video. Way to go.
I do thumb over bar instead and spread out your elbows when your chest is over the bar.then finish with dip
Key is on the transition, if you rotate your hand while youre going up, thats not that hard. The real hardest slow muscle Up must be WITHOUT false grip, but also WITHOUT transition / rotation of the Wrist👍
Best video!
awsome video love it
Thanks!
Talk about physics, I have long, long arms ( unlike the short arm guy in your diagram) so its not possible to get my chest over the bar without letting go of the bar so my hands are 3" or so above the bar. I have to create upward momentum to let go of the bar. Also, If you look up and behind your body will move closer to the bar.
i will also do front lever💪😎
Brave to accept the mistakes and put the effort in correct them. The video reminded me a common quote about Kelvin: “heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible”. This kind of asseveration can challenge to others to find the way to impossible things. I think knowlege can advance also is such way.
Thanks! And I think you’re absolutely correct. That’s a great insight!
Good!!!!
Carl Sagan approves of self-correction.
If you're saying that Carl Sagan would approve of me - thanks! He's one of my heroes!
@@The_Aging_Warrior I saw him on your shelf up there. The Amazing Randi is one of mine.
@@Rhythmicons Yeah, mine too! Randi was amazing...
I find doing heavyish deadlifts before attempting muscle ups helps .
Hmmm… I wouldn’t have thought of that.
Wish more people were willing to publicly admit their mistakes like this. We need more of this in our modern climate. Being wrong, and admitting to being wrong, is how you become more powerful. More people need to understand this.
You’ve got me trying to get Popeye wrist like you
How old are you? Very impressive.
I'm 56. 54 when I made that video. I don't know why you're impressed though - making long boring videos gets easier as you age :)
Respect to you 👏🏽
Thanks. Now I just wish that I could actually DO it!
Forgot about the elbows
well done, tony stark
Thanks... I think
4:59 i actually laughed 😂
if i get this because of you, I'll kiss the top of your head
Thanks (I think). But no head-kissing is necessary. I'm happy to be helpful if I can. In case you haven't seen it, I do have a more recent video about this: "A Good Way To Train The Transition Of A Slow Muscle Up".
Muscle-up without a false grip (Aerial Ascension) instagram.com/p/Br9s9-6nrBH/?
Hey man I also have a callisthenics based channel where I occasionally teach stuff, I'm a qualified beginner level gymnastics coach also.
I REALLY wanted to watch and learn something from this video but I got 3 minutes and 45 seconds in and didn't see the point of wasting my precious time. I don't say this from an ego driven perspective, it just really irks me when anyone tries to teach something they can't do, based off their own theoretical view point.
Achieve this skill with no false grip and THEN teach it. Otherwise you may as well take up theoretical physics and conjure ideas you don't need to prove.
I subscribed regardless because I think it's great that at the start you admitted your past error, we need more social media personalities that can be real like that! I'll check out more of your videos.
FYI I just recently nailed slow muscle ups and front lever slow muscle ups and it rapidly had become my favourite movement! I'm currently doing them with no grip though haha, stage 1, not even false grip, false grip is next then from dead hang. I will achieve it.
OK, fair enough. On the other hand, the title of the video is "The Physics Of The Slow Muscle Up With No False Grip". That's what the video is about. I was upfront about the fact that I can't do it. I was just excited that I figured out how it's possible. And I wanted to correct my earlier mistake.
no false grip slow muscle up is in fact possible love the video if i can do it is possible by contradiction ahahah
Yeah, I wish I could prove it by doing it myself :)
@@The_Aging_Warrior it's pretty hard on your wrists
how are old you
I'm 54 (almost 55).
@@The_Aging_Warrior good i have 44 year can i to make muscle up ?
@@adnanhocima9046 Wait - you're only 10 years old? What are you doing on youtube? You're supposed to be in school!
...just kidding.
Man - only 10 years old. If you're starting this young, you'll be strongest guy in the world some day!