The SECRET Behind Why String Vests Are So WARM
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0:00 Intro to mesh base layers
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5:04 Why did I choose a fish net base layer
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I’m old enough to remember Rab C Nesbit, he had a lovely base layer with a coating of beer, egg yolk and grime
Hahahaha classic!
He used intermediate layer of a blazer on top of the mesh vest.
Then the final layer was a beer coat.
Plus, if all else failed, he could always warm up with necking whiskey straight from the bottle!😁
So your saying the update is punk IPA, frying steak and asparagus😂
See you pal😂
We used those mesh inner layer all the time when I served in the Norwgian Army and later in the TA. The genius is that it also works just as well in summertime with the short-sleeves (because the air in the air-pockets is both working as insulation, equalizing and ventilating). Enjoy them!
Jupp, helt enig (totally right)
@@DanielOutdoorstotally agree*
Never underestimate a decent base layer. The old fashioned string vest is fantastic. Back in the day they got it right in its application. My Grandfather was issued one in the British army in the Korean war. A proper knit wool type. He always swore by them at the warmth they provided.
I have just bought the short sleeve version, excellent! At 70+years I’ve known and used this type of technology for as long as I can remember, my dad, bless him, wore string vests during WW11 and as a boy Airtex vest and pants were the norm. As I grew up, like you, I bought into the whole techno thing and the likes of Airtex dropped off my radar. Thankfully my son who lives in Norway put me back on the right path and now, even the dog walking is much more comfortable and dry! Gt. vid and thanks for taking the time to upload 👍 regards from deepest Dorset.
Once again.. you’ve knocked it out of the park! I purchased some of this clothing after watching this video. This stuff when added to my other lightweight layers is an absolute GAME CHANGER. Thanks Paul. Keep it up. The whole community needs someone like you looking out for us.
Mums always knew best ... mine used to knit string vests for us in the winter!
This was a really useful video thank you! I do adventure motorcycle trips which involve going off road. Off road riding is VERY physical and so I get extremely sweaty, and then as soon as I get back on to a road I instantly feel cold! I’m going online right now to order a mesh base layer! 👍
Been using Brynje cotton and wool string vests from the 70s
Cotton in British summers and wool for US winter snowshoeing
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Hi Paul, you sold me on these string vests. Took the plunge following this vid other week and worn the top a couple of times now (saving leggings for winter walks and motorbike touring) and it really is better than standard base layers which get very wet clingy and cold when wet. Definitely an improvement. Many thanks for the alternate view and your vids in general.
Put the merino base layer on top of the string vest. I've been using mesh vests when cycling for years. Super warm under the winter cycling jersey.
been used for years in cycling also, and very widely known. I've used them for 15+ years for mountineering, esp when combined with merino over them works very well than just the solid layer next to the skin. Use with pit zips for higher activity periods and your about as comfortable as can be. Had a few funny looks in Alpine huts over the years, generally from fellow brits and on skiing trips also when a few Apres turn into post midnight sessions and well then just to confirm it does look dodgy in a club lol. Good to see you enjoying the outdoors good luck with the full time endeavours.
Not just for hiking, working in construction these could be great as one moment you could be working hard working up a sweat and then doing less strenuous work, it can be hard to control one’s temperature.
I used to see lots of the old boys wearing string vests and a shirt, seems they had the right idea all along.
Only issue is when it gets really hot and then you have people dressed in string vests only which for most isn’t a good look!
This kind of shirts are very popular in Norway. For years I saw hikers in them, skiers in winter. Was always curious but never tried. Looks like can be a good addition for my hiking setup, particularly in winter when overheating and sweating is a huge issue. Thanks for the video.
Have used mesh base layers for years. Brands I have tried and can recommend are Brynje, Aclima and Devold. The most durable one I have owned is the synthetic one from Brynje. The merino wool versions you need to handle with care, but they are more comfortable and smell resistant.
I've been using woolmesh baselayers from Devold, Brynje and Aclima for years. They work well as midlayers too so I often wear two under my Ventile or waxed cotton outer layers. When I used Páramo, all of which I've now sold, I'd just wear a single woolmesh layer underneath. I'm not so keen on the polypropylene versions, finding the wool suits me better. With my current setup it's not uncommon to get home with completely dry baselayers. This stuff works.
One month ago on 'Oscar Hikes' youtube channel, he tested a mesh base layer against other base layers and found the mesh one to be warmer and drier. It's well worth viewing
I've been using the Brynje mesh long johns for about 3 years. Absolutely the best, warmest long johns i've ever owned. Very expensive, but worth it.
I had these back in 1966, string vest under my school shirt in winter. Absolutely the best.
I’m a new user of mesh base layers. They are a game changer for me. I sweat like a dog when hiking. And on all but the coldest UK days I just use a mesh base layer and a high breathable outer layer. I’m as warm as toast. Plus they are remarkable at wicking away the moisture and fast drying. Far, far better than merino or synthetic solid layers. I have a merino wool fleece that I put on when I get to camp or stop for a while.
Any details on which one you use? I think the original Brynje ones were woolen.
@@LoremIpsum1970 I have both Super thermo (man made) and merino wool (with roll neck) mesh version sfrom Brynje. Also I have merino version from Aclima. Brynje is less expensive but no less quality.
@@ds7221 Many thanks.
Im an Norwegian. I often use Aklima Woolnet longs and Zip neck shirt. Use it when hiking but i also use it when im at work as Chief electric, automation at a Norwegian Oil and gas producing platform in the Nort sea. Yes i also use Brynje artic, Norrøna and Bergans of Norway products.
Came here to mention Aclima also. Good stuff. I have a bright orange top from them 😂
For a couple of years now I've been wearing the long-sleeved version from the same unpronounceable company (sorry, Norwegian bros). Granted, it's not a fetching garment, but it's kept me warmer and drier than any other base layer I've tried, including Merino wool. As soon as I take off my cycling jersey over it I immediately feel cold, making me think the vest is very successful at creating a comfortable micro-climate. Very fast drying and highly recommended.
While in the Commandos during the 80s many of us wore fishnet tights when in Northern Norway on Arctic Warfare training. Achieved the same effect but cheaper! Stand by for the comments LOL
I'm a lumberjack and Iam ok. Couldn't let you off with that😂
@@hengis73😂
The tights were fine mate. It was the peephole bras gave your positions away.
@@peakpanther5136It was the Paras who wore the bras as well :)
I started using them just after the covid restrictions were lifted. Aclima are good too. I have a mesh top and bottoms. I simply would not leave without adorning them first. They are game changers. I run a hot core and sweat heavy and I tend to over dress but because I have the mesh on I'm just fine. In Norway I still sweat heavy in -17°C and I am still cozy and fine. I don't know of anything better. Merino mesh is the best as far as I am concern. Also merino does keep you warm when wet as long as you remain on the move.
A very challenging journey, and very exciting, thanks for sharing
You need to read some older hiking books Paul! When I started hiking and climbing back in the 1960s string vests were de-rigour. Merino wool was almost unheard of and ridiculously expensive and synthetic vests hadn't appeared. String and mesh underwear was the only alternative to heavy, old-fashioned cotton (or scratchy wool). I only switched when Rohan brought out their base layers in the 70s(sadly no longer available) which were still mesh based but synthetic. But then they all seemed to disappear for a long time in the 1990s so I'm glad to hear they can be found again. Off to place an order...
I have used a very old cotton version of this design. Still impressive results.
I also started using mesh thermals. My top is the Woolnet from Aclima (merino) and the leggings from Svala of Finland (where I live). The latter are polypropylene but are not scratchy like the Aclima. I find them good. You can push hard, sweat and the mesh wicks moisture away from the skin. When arriving to camp you can simply layer up and the mesh keeps you warm while your own body heat dries the layers. Then you can sleep in the as well rather than having to carry sleep clothes. Had them on down to -20C and they work well.
Would you recommend the synthetic over the wool version? I was wondering if the synthetic tops might get a bit smelly after a few days.
@@bernardchandley2587 I've only done single night camping trips so far so I am not sure. However, if they dry completely then there shouldn't be that much smell. You can always take them off at night to dry and air out. I guess too that it will differ for different people. Maybe Paul also has more insight about this.
Thanks for the reply! Appreciated.
@@bernardchandley2587 I am heading out tomorrow for a two-nighter and a 20km hike. I'll wear the mesh and let you know how I get on. ☺️
I've seen several videos about this over the last couple of months, but you've convinced me now. I just ordered one! Very curious.
Hiya Paul,I've been using mesh base layers for years on my push bike,best base layers ever,I have both short and long sleeves from Castelli,Santini, Le col and Spatzwear.
"See you Mary-Doll!" "I'll Tell you! -String Vest, It's the future!"
I'II tell you: I, shall walk alone
String vest are what we use to wear in the 70's & 80's, somewhere along the line they became harder to get Down Under, and Polypropylene and Marino became 'de rigueur". Even my early Polypro tops had a fairly open (see through) weave as well.
They seem to do two things: they trap air pockets but they also limit skin contact with fabric, personally I sweat like crazy anytime my skin is covered.
I first used 'Norwegian fisherman's underwear' in the early 70's. Outdoor shops like Northface, REI, and our local "Backpacker's Tent" (which we called Rat-packers Nest) were just beginning in Northern California. Long johns were about the only winter underwear at the time and the net garments were a novelty but my friends swore by them and I bought a couple of T-shirts and a pair of pants. They worked great both in Summer and Winter though I ditched the pants for the Summer. I remember the mesh being wider (larger holes) in the ones I had. In the Summer, a loose cotton shirt over the mesh held the moisture (Who are we kidding -- sweat) and cooled while the mesh held the shirt off of the skin and allowed evaporation. It disappeared from the market place and it's only with the advent of the internet that I've found it again. I still think it's great but I can't justify the expense anymore for the rare outdoor excursion.
One of those Rasta hats with the dreads sown in will go lovely with those string vests !
Great video Paul. Very informative. I'm 67 and this is the first I have heard of it. Thanks for this video.
Hey Paul, I have a feeling we may have watched one of the same videos! There was one where this guy went up and down a hill three times, in different layers, timing how long it takes for him to get cold. Low and behold it was the mesh layer that kept him warm the longest!
Seems mesh is hot topic in the hiking world currently!
Great video again, as always. 😊
Harry
I'm the guy! But all credit goes to Bear Essentials - I ordered mine as soon as I watched his video. :)
@@OscarHikes YES! It was you Oscar! Brilliant videos, thank you for helping introduce the hiking world to mesh based layers 👌 Sub from me mate, gotta check out more of your videos
I remember back in the 80's rowing on the Thames Marlow Bucks the stuff we all used was Helly Hanson base layer very similar in function also Norwegian somewhat perforated . I use icebreaker living here in Australia now great for hot and cold weather and does not retain odour, great content mate 🏕👍
I have a top with a mesh back and I really noticed the difference when carry my pack and now this makes me want a full mesh one for summer
Check out Andy Kirkpatrick, a well known climber who recommends this also. The Marines (Arctic and mountain warfare chaps) and Norwegian Army have been using Brynge for decades.
Love your channel Paul. Keep up the good work. The mesh in your Arctic hat is polypropylene. I’ve been using these hats and the superthermo version (100% polypropylene) for the past 20yrs. The price has gone up quite considerably during that time. I got the Superthermo for about £15 back then and the Arctic for about £19. 👍🏻
I am 63 and I had string vests in winter to go to school 👍🇦🇺🌻
Thank you for crediting The Bear Essentials! DJ did a wonderful thing researching and putting out that video going against the consumerist stream, and he deserves the credit. Plus his video is friggin funny. Worth a watch for anyone reading. Thank you as well for sharing the message Paul!!! more people need to be straightforward about gear and expose these trends and overpriced s**ts. outdoor sports are almost being made exclusive to the wealthier because of all the expensive gear (its great that they exist - innovation and options) but they can definetly be budget friendly sports. I practice hiking backpacking bikepacking and bicycle touring and i've spent less on years of trips than someone who starts today and gets the 'recommended' gear
When I was in the military I was issued similar underwear for Mountain and Artic Warfare exercises in Norway during the winter deployments in the 1970s. The MOD had stocks from the Korean War and Norwegian kit for issue to the troops. Then came the research into different materials such as we have today. Strange how some of the Scandinavians still use the "string vest" but are the garments made from cotton as was the kit I was issued?
It makes me wonder if this is why string vests were a bit of a thing decades ago. Many people did heavy manual work and would sweats heaps throughout the long working days. The vests might well have helped them to keep the sweat down, there were no technical materials. Just a thought, maybe it makes sense
I've been hearing about this baselayer lately. Will have to check this out. Thanks Paul.
Hi Paul, I’ve used mesh base layers cycling for years and they are great. Not nearly as much sweat as with sold base layers. Not the most aesthetically pleasing when seen alone but they are great at keeping you dry.
I’m a new subscriber and I really appreciate your style of commentary - knowledgable but not at all pushy or needy / gimmicky like others.
Keep up the good work mate 👍👍
That was really helpful and interesting. Going to buy one to try . Thank you
My old grandad used to wear string vests. Now I know why!
I started out with a Brynje long sleeved mesh base layer on a AT thruhike. Of course, being the AT in the spring/summer it was so warm that the base layer also was the outer layer most of the time. Since everyone looked at me extremely suspiciously I switched to something less conspicuous fairly soon. That said, the mesh base layer is super efficient for cold and/or wet weather use. Also Brynje have several versions of their hat with different materials and isolation properties. I used the lightest version on my AT-hike and on the PCT. It performed really well - just enough insulation for some cold mornings and evenings.
Welcome to the club - if you remember did send you a link to Nordiclife and speak to Rhodri - but obviously went straight to the maker Brynje.
Thanks for the review, Paul! Back in the 80s, my Boy Scout leader, Sarge, always wore a mesh undershirt and touted its ability to wick moisture, ventilate him when hot, and keep him warm when cold. We always got a laugh out of it. Reviews like yours have me reconsidering and recognizing what’s been known for decades. I’ll give it a go. Thanks!
Great information - thanks for sharing! I remember wearing cotton mesh long underwear as there were no synthetic materials when I was growing up (and we couldn't afford wool-based gear). Looking forward to trying these newer mesh base layers👍🏼
Thanks for the great info Paul. Staying dry on a hike can be a real pain.
Such a fantastic vlog. What is amazing and I had forgotten, 40 years ago, I did the gold ten tor’s this is what was the given.
When i was youngun everyone wore string vest, remember they were very long, my dad was from newcastle so used to dressing for colder weather, think stopped wearing in 80's
Paul, you always seem to put up a video talking about the exact items I am currently considering buying... I love it! I'm looking at the Senchi Designs 60 for my walk along the PCT and debating whether to get one or not.
I need to go up the loft & dig out my army issue string vest & tee bag skiddies from 1980 now!
As I tend to be cold during phases of inactivity, I went for mesh merino longsleeves as reviewed by DJ from The Bear Essentials. Brynje proved to be a little on the pricy side, so I went for an Aclima offer.
Works really well for me, although you should consider thoroughly presenting yourself to you better half wearing those... 😂
RAF firefighters used to wear the string vest as a base layer under the heavy green wool based Mk3A Crash Suit in the 70's/80's/90's - guess it worked at keeping them cool when fighting aircraft fires.
Funnily enough, the Skydiver crew in the Gerry Anderson series UFO wore white versions - those studio lights must have made things a bit sweaty!!
I used to wear a string vest and womens tights in the winter months when out on exercise in my army day's not the best look 😂😂 atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Yep! Used Brynje for years now! If they're good enough for Everest or Arctic Cirle winters, it's good enough for me! I pair it with my Paramo and love that it can insulate when all the zips are closed, but can dump huge amounts of heat when zips and vents are open.
A staple in the Norwegian armed forces, it was already old when I served 16 years ago, and I use them still. Fantastisk.
Hi Paul. If you ever pack up camping , go do stand up comedy. Very informative and funny commentary. Loving the similes
Finally a UA-camr more popular than me finally seeing also into the mesh
Yes it is true it is working. I can not really understand but it works. I have bought 3 shirt. Brynje is working. I tested first one shirt and was suprised about the result.
Nope, wasn't aware of the existence of mesh base layers until I watched this, Paul. They seem a fantastic idea for keeping you dry. Also the hoodie looks great, I've noticed Andy B wearing one on his outings. Definitely interested in acquiring both in the near future. Thanks for the heads up Paul.
In the Army (1988) I was issued string vests and string underwear obviously the gusset was normal material 🙄😀. Worked really well. Just to note we had no waterproofs just a poncho which you used as a basha. I think around 1995 we had Gortex water proofs as well as new uniform and webbing. That’s probably why they called it 95 pattern webbing 🙄. Anyway great to see your videos 👍. By the way I was at the Eurovision in Birmingham years ago covering security for various reasons and met right said Fred, yes in his vest as well 😂😂
I have also recently seen videos of these mesh base layers. I think i need to get one because it's annoying when you get so wet when hiking, especially on your back.
Saysky's mesh tops are a great alternative for somewhat warmer weather where you want to just wear a mesh top: they are very very breathable but the 'holes' have a fine weave across them so its hardly see-through at all in normal lighting conditions. A much lighter feel than the wonderful Super Thermo in general but very good temperature regulation with surprisingly minimal chill in direct wind. The only downside is the polyester gets smelly much faster than the polypropylene used for the Super Thermo and being a running top the lighter weight material may get massacred by a heavy rucksack's straps: I've not used it in that scenario
We used to wear string vests in the 70s before all the gear, woolly jumper over the top 😅
Cyclists been doing it for years, we call them a mesh and use a thin one in the summer under our cycling shirt so when you sweat it stops the shirt sticking to your skin, and in the winter use a thicker mesh as a skin layer then add merino base layer and other layers depending on temperature as it create a pocket of warm air between skin and base layer.
We used to have vests and underpants like that In the 60s-70s
Great geer Paul. I use these on long distance back packing also the Norwegian wool jumpers as you say years ago that’s all they used. Shop is in keswick next time your up there very good stuff from Norway good to listen to your video as always
Very interesting video, thank you! I’d still keep hiking in a merino wool hoodie with a 3/4 zip like Mons Royale does, because it also blocks UV and so prevent me from using sunblock cream. However at camp I do combine an Alpha Direct T-shirt (90g) and pants and that’s just great for summer nights in the mountains. If needed, I add an extra Alpha Direct Hoodie on top, and I’m plenty warm while staying dry.
Brings back memories of my old dad, swore by a string vest, me late mum called them passion killers 😅😂😅😂😅 thanks though, you take care my friend ❤️
Hi Paul, brilliant timing, just over the weekend my wife and I were laughing at the people who thought it was cool to parade around Slough high street in string vests. Now I'm wondering if they knew more than I gave them credit for. Funny old world 🌎. Cheers Graham
Wiggys Grand Junction, Colorado USA also makes and sells a fish net base layer similar to what you have. Work great for staying warm and dry.
Great video. How strange, I had been looking at these over the last few weeks. Yes, they were used in the Antartic and up Everest... Known about them for years, but hadn't seen many people mention them on YT. I think it was on the film Lost on Everest 2020 where Michael Hunt went up Everest in a string vest and a shirt -- I guess it was sunny... Interesting they're now using polypropylene, I suppose the cotton ones for the UK would still be ok given our moderate temps, though highstreet stores are stopping manufacture (Asda, etc.)...they're sort of the opposite of the 'cotton kills' saying. I'll certainly get some, and I'll have to check the sizing first! 😉
The brynje mesh merino wool base layers are amazing. I’ve got the merino mesh vest and merino long johns and they work fabulously. You do need a cover though - I use a zip front merino jersey most of the time and Fjallraven or RR trousers. Combined with Darn Tough Socks and Vivo Barefoot boots plus my DCF vented jacket and a hat, I’m ready for anything the UK weather can chuck at me (plus Hestra gloves).
You're a veritable walking outdoors shop!
@@davehumpleby3440 thanks, Dave. I have wasted too much loot over the years but now have refined my kit. I sail a lot and the clothing works well across both ‘hobbies’.
Mesh base layer = a very expensive version 1960s string vest. We also had string underpants (our nan used to sew/knit them both).
Nice RSF drop!
My mother knitted me a string vest in the 1960s, it went under my Scout shirt. The secret is to get the knots to flatten.
I've been told that string vests in the US were associated with men who beat their wives.
They were very common when I was a lad but became unfashionable and considered old- fashioned.
I think Burt Lancaster got the blame for that in his film, 'From Here to Eternity' rolling around in the sea-foam with Deborah Kerr.
By the time it got to Colin Firth doing his Mister Darcey in the pond, the string vest was over the hill and far away.
Rab C. Nesbitt tried to revive the fashion but it was flogging a dead horse by that stage.
I had it when I were in the Danish Army in 1983. It was part of the standard Equipment.
My dad wore a string vest and underpants 😄and said it was the best to keep you warm in winter and cool in summer.
Hi Paul, could you comment on how they deal with the problem of body odour after long hikes?
These are very good, Norwegian...my father introduced them to me. I am now looking for one to try out. Brynje of Norway.
When I was a kid one of my greatest fears was to meet my dad going to or from the bathroom in his string vest and string pants it was enough to put you off your breakfast
grandad used to wear them in the ship yards many years ago
My base and mid layers are Patagonia. Below about 5C I wear the capilene air, and as long as I’m being active I can wear a nano puff hoodie as a top layer. I tend to carry an R1 hoodie mid layer as a backup along with a rain layer and it gets me through.
Further being a sweat monster even in winter these base layers are a godsend!
I have a gortex cycling jacket with mesh lining. Yes, you stayed completely dry inside and out. These days, they stopped making the jackets and just made new packable very thin jackets, but you sweat buckets. The mesh lined jacket is a little thicker but extremely waterproof and warm.. people come up with new ideas all the time . Just to make money. Instead of researching what really works .don't forget to take it off before you sunbathe 😂
You are going to have us wearing knotted handkerchiefs on our heads next
Got no idea about all this but if it's reasonable price then it's worth a try
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'Back to Basics'. String Vests .. something that some of us have known about from way back.
No fear, the 'Bean Counters' are going to latch onto this one very quickly, change their 'Mantra' and now 'drop' Merino Wool as quickly as they dropped it's predecessor, the then new-fangled 'Synthetic Hi-Wicking' Fabrics.
Back in the late 60's, I got a String Vest from a mate who did his National Military Service as a dog handler on an Air Force Base. The pilots wore them under their flight suits. True .. comfortable and very good insulators. Unfortunately, it got nicked some years later off the wash line.
Buy now .. before the price goes up through the roof.
Works like body hair. Aloows for moisture evaporation, but keeps a layer of warm air near your body.
I cannot believe you are talking about string vests, haha, we were out walking this morning talking about... the time I had string vests at school. lol
Hi Paul and everyone on here. great video! In recent years it seems harder and harder to find brands that cater to larger, wider, sweaty walkers. Everything seems to be slim fit. Are there any brands you know of that fit wider people. It seems most brands just think everyone in the outdoors is slim fit.
Like you I discovered them a few months ago and the super thermo is just brilliant - noticeable drier and thus warmer. I also read that a lot of pro cyclists wear them (not just in cold weather).