Poker Sin? A Look at the Game's Most Sacrilegious Play
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2024
- Today's video covers the "sacrilegious" preflop limp reraise in a 2/5 no limit poker cash game. Bart and the caller discuss if there are circumstances that make sense to use this poker strategy effectively. Typically this is a weak play made by older players with only very strong hands like aces or kings. The caller had a rare spot where he was nearly certain a tilted opponent would be raising with any two cards giving him an opportunity to apply pressure and potentially win a big pot off the tilted player.
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0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Preflop
8:20 - Flop
9:55 - Hero Decision
12:51 - Turn
12:57 - River
13:09 - Reveal
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If you despise the limp reraise give this a thumbs up 😆
I like it with specifically AA 😆 otherwise no big dislike
@@wesleykorisky8600 well that's very exploitable then lol
Villian must have been pissed when the king came in on the turn. Losing to smaller flush draws in all in spots always tilts me. River diamond though
@@wesleykorisky8600 Ur joking right?
It’s the epitome of fancy play syndrome
Funniest thing is that the button "tanked a little bit and sigh-called" with the nut flush draw on an unpaired board requiring 30% equity in a cash game. If this isn't the clearest snap-call in the world I don't know what is 😂
Haha was gonna post this 😂 clown getting almost 3/1 with his Ace flush draw,why bet so small in the flop anyway?
I dunno there is so much nonsensical shit going on in most of these calls that I moving back to “poker is pure luck” 😂😂
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Whats ironic is that this is one of those rare hands that the hero was probably gonna lose all his money no matter how he played it, even if he didn't do the limp reraise. Once he sees that flop (and especially the turn giving him top pair with the flush draw), hes not folding the draw barring a massive overbet. Then when he hits the second nuts on the unpaired board on the river its basically one of those 'what can you do' coolers where the money is just going in if it isnt in already, there no way you can possibly lay that down given the stakes and stack sizes.
Honestly not sure who was more tilted here. The guy who was open raising $30 preflop or the hero who got so tilted by him doing this, he started making up new limping strategies to “get him” and ended up getting himself stacked. 😂
classic case of someone who just wants to 'win hands' instead of 'win money'.
please don't laugh, it hurts to loose so much
I am in my mid-50s and have been playing since the mid 1980s. Many years ago it was acceptable to limp under the gun with only aces or kings with the intention of raising. It is very rare that I would do it now however, I did it on a stream table when the table was relatively aggressive. I lived under the gun with aces, and there was a raise from middle position, a three bet from the low jack and a four bet from the cut off. I then put the five bet in and took it down. The cut off put half of his stack and so I did not think he would fold but he did. Nowadays, I rarely lamprey raise, and it would depend on the table, but I would do it with three value, hands, and four or five suited connectors as semi bluffs.
Funny thing about this hand is the result is pretty much going to be the same regardless of how hero played it.
1/3 c-beting into two on the flop is "such a weird size". Lol
In a 1.5 SPR pot in position as well 😂
Not like the button needs to bomb it to get the money in.
It is
It's really not, this is real life low stakes, not theory. Anyone who tries to play GTO is leakier than Titanic @@Gos1234567
Only at 4:09 but my issue with the limp-reraise plan is…if this tilted guy in the cutoff is just opening every hand that’s all well and good. But how is he responding to 3-bets? KJs isn’t a bad hand but it’s not one I’m looking to bloat the pot with oop vs someone who isn’t folding because they’re on tilt.
Yeah I don't really get it. You're not "trapping him" if he calls since you're still sometimes behind and are basically never super far ahead, you're lighting money on fire if he raises and if he's folding then you made a super risky play to win a few bucks.
@@Jermo484 even the times he calls and you’re ahead (let’s say he’s got 98s) you’re going to whiff a lot of flops.
I guess if he’s folding a lot to C-bets you’re okay but I don’t think that’s the case for most tilted players.
We just discussed the check raise at my casino, mgm national harbor. In the poker room rules, it’s specifically says that limp re-raises are allowed. A younger player couldn’t understand why they had to specifically say that. We told him that 40 years ago if you limped re-raised, you were not considered an honorable poker player!
honestly I am confused about this honor thing; people are there to take money off you so screw the honor. anyway .....
Really? That’s nonsense,do they frown upon bluffing and sandbagging aswell ?
it wasn't a limp-reraise that was banned it was it was a check/raise... in limit SD A-5 lowball (with joker) in CA games back in the day. You also had to bet your sevens made post-draw
Great content as always from Bart the Poker-Preacher.
Btw nice thumbnail. 😅
That thumbnail is great
I actually love the limp-reraise. It is such a powerful move, and I use it from time to time when I play online. Mostly when I have a draw, but sometimes also as a pure bluff or when I am superstrong. Dont do it preflop though, and it is mostly something I can do after flop.
My first thought in hearing pre-flop action: God, this is why I love live poker.
Second thought: If I’m hero, I’m jamming pre-flop
Last thought: Can’t wait to be in LV in 3 weeks!
Why would you jam pre? Ridiculous
@@Gos1234567 “Ridiculous”? You have villain #1 on massive tilt. Villain #2 flatted and is now mysteriously min-raising. I can run the math, but you’re going to take the pot down pre-flop a good portion of the time and even if called, you’ve got some equity.
Oh, and you’re OOP, so playing post-flop to fully realize your equity would be tricky at best.
In this exact hand, I think villain #2 probably folds to a shove. Even in this scenario, which is a horrible situation for hero, they are only a 36/64 dog. There’s no way shoving is bad here, it’s just a matter of if it’s the “best” option
From my experience, I can tell you what BTN was thinking: he wanted to trap the tilted player. When the action got reopened and it came back to him, he decided he wanted to put more money in the pot bc he had a strong hand.
I know it doesn't make any sense but I would bet money that was the gist of it.
I think he just thought our hero was trying to steal the dead money in the pot so just reraise over that but the reraise is so small that he fcked it up anyway.
Don’t understand the sigh call when hero jams either,villian is getting great odds to call
Anyway the more call ins I hear the more I think poker is just random shit 😂
I have a limping strategy in a very specific type of loose moderate aggression game. Where limp calling allows me to play the hand better than raising that range in EP or folding it. It depends on table aggression, player positions, and how the table is reacting to me if I raise. It is uncommon that I use this. Usually it is my standard strategy and opening ranges with no limps.
Limp reraising I do very rarely in a different type of game and yes I have to balance is with limping other hands. The last time I implemented it was maybe 3-4 years ago. That is how rare it is.
The BTN shouldn’t have that strong of a hand as he should just be trying to isolate the cutoff if he did, since most of the time he’ll just be inviting the blinds and UTG to call, and he can’t expect UTG to reraise, so the back raise is odd.
I would’ve jammed pre after the back raise to sell the idea that he was trapping with AA/KK, and that should fold out basically everything. If BTN somehow shows up with a big pair like this good for him.
Plus buttons on tilt so theres a chance he calls with pockets 10s or worse or in which case ur basically a coin flip and even ahead a little
Lol jam 200 BB's pre to win 20 BB's... okay dude.
Love the exploit play and dig the idea to jam pre
Bart is to nice this is just a torch on every action.
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Best thumbnail by far ❤😂
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I agree with Bart. Limp re-raising is super tricky and only works in cases where you are super shallow (e.g., late stage tournaments).
The caller's reasoning made some sense until the other players started calling and he still decided to 3-bet small. And then he decided to call a 4-bet oop with KJs 😅. It's like a small lie turning into much bigger lies.
I usually use a smaller opening size from EP but that's not the same as limping.
I like the limp reraise strategy if its with one or 2 people im targeting to isolate....how is that terrible? happy to hear whats wrong with this strategy especially when your early position and first to act knowing they only call with KJ or better
Limp reraising is horrendous, but the good news is that hand almost certainly would have been a brutal cooler by the river anyway.
99% of the time it is, but props to hero for thinking outside the box
It’s not horrendous when a guy is raising every hand. It’s the correct play
@@Glitch47278 no. It's not. Unless he is never 3 betting or calling with bad hands, which would be such oddly specific tilt.
@@Jermo484 the guy who raises every hand isn’t the guy who folds to 3 bets
@@Glitch47278 okay, then he also isn't folding when you raise. And is probably blasting off with 3 bets.
limp strats are interesting and I still will mess around with one sometimes at 5-10 or homegames (rake is going to make them much worse at pot raked games)...I'm pretty sure that you pure limp from upfront with all your hands that want to vpip which included a bunch of low frequency trash K9o 97o etc and just folding alot of low suited connectors...against a raise you fold all your low frequency trash call with your strongest hands so in my strat would just call KJs here and raise AA-KK combined with alot of blocker type bluffs (e.g. A8o)...if your an unknown limping in EP is getting you a fish tag and getting to a flop with 97o or showing K4o in a 4-bet pot is going to shift the meta- of the game...also agree with the caller that raise-only strats are going to win more money.
Flop is actually an interesting decision because it really depends how often villain is C-betting. I agree jamming is probably right but against players that check back that flop a lot you are not getting many folds. That said if you call you are never getting away from the hand anyway unless turn is like exactly an off-suit A or they weirdly check back, so you don't need many folds to make jamming the better option.
Wonder what Bart's take would be if BTN's min raise pf was to give Hero the option to shove, which almost always would define Hero's range. As played BTN knows what hero likely doesn't have and for an extra $100 pf prolly makes him feel better about his AQs.
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Button tanked with AQdd getting 2.6:1 on the flop?! 😂
He’s almost getting the odds to call if hero flips over TT.
If CO is raising every hand, which is what sounds like is occurring, limp reraising range is the best play, especially with AA or KK
I despise the limp reraise…. Almost always AA until you make a big fold then they have something weird :/
i like doing it with AA/KK and then switching up to something like 87 suited.
at my games it's usually what bart said at 11:50. Ace high and small pocket pairs.
Last night at 5/10 steaming aggro villain limps UTG, tightest player at the table 50, folds to V who makes it 200, tight player 500, call. 654 flop. V check, TP 1000, V jam 3800, TP snap. TP shows KK board runs Q T, V mucks
the limp-raise action, while weird, is negated by the action of the button. He aggressively raised pre-flop, indicating his strength. The utg player was already committed halfway with his $100. So it wasn't much more to see the flop.
On the flop, CO wouldn't have called the $200. At the turn or river, UTG is going all in and getting stacked.
The limp-raise caused a bad situation, but it probably was going to end up with the hero getting stacked regardless.
My thoughts on the hand:
1. I’m not sure this is the setup to limp-reraise. I never do it but can see two situations where you would. Either as a bluff against some shitreg who opens loads vs limps because they think they’ll outplay you but then overfolds vs 3-bets OR for value vs some aggrofish who opens loads but never folds (or 4-bets) to a 3-bet.
I don’t think either applies here.
2. The sizing was way too small should be at least 150 if not 180 (4X oop plus the 2 calls)
3. I agree with Bart. Just fold pre once button back raises.
4. As played flop is fine.
what do you do with pocket AA/KK UTG pre in $2/5?
I would love playing at this table. 😂
I've found that a lot of the times when someone plays a hand weird it's AQ
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limp//rr is just fine under volatile game conditions. When we play a game where our opens need to be 10x+ to get 2 or 3 way, i would rather limp my range from EP. Lets me limpfold limpcall or limpraise and react to unique dynamics and setups. We keep an uncapped range and get to play the situation and not our cards. Of course, we have to be good at poker to do this 😅
This is the way. You can play any way you want if you outmatch your opponents and some "incorrect" plays can really mix up their hand reading.
The Apostle Bartholomew returns. Though shall not limp.
I do have a limping strategy. I don’t think it’s wrong or terrible to have a limping strategy. I’ve won a lot of big pots by stacking players because they have no idea what “range” to put me on.
Wouldn't we rather try to exploit the villain when we have more showdown value when we miss so any ace-x really. Kj early vs an aggro opp is going to be really hard to play when we miss flop
I'm jamming pre all day here. Button is never flatting any premium vs a tilted player. When we limp reraise, people naturally assume it's AA, KK or AK and will fold almost everything.
Limping is for omc, saw a guy the other day limp KK after a few limps with a utg straddle , straddler raises , limps call and he just calls with kk , then BB jams for 150 and he calls but was worried cuz the bb is super nit… the worst game ever . Few days later utg limps , utg 1 limps , mp raises , utg re raises , utg 1 calls , rest fold , flop coms 782 two clubs , utg jams like 200 some into 200, utg 1 says well I guess I have to call…. And has AA 😂😂😂😂 , worst poker room , it’s 90% omc that live on ssi
Hi so i usually play in a 72 bounty game for a 4bb reward from each player . Only time I limp in a ring game is some very premium hand and also 72 to limp reraise to take down. What you all think of my play ?
It depends on how deep you're playing relative to the bounty. But in general that's a good strategy.
I def. like jamming pre better.
What is the logic behind limp-reraising from early position?
If you raise and they all fold you get the blinds...
Button 3bet, his going to be at the top of his range with overpairs and aq s and tt's . At most the hero has 30 % to win against tts and aa kk aq jj
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Commenting without watching past pre, I would jam pre, The raise from the button makes no sense and it's just so much more likely he has something he felt was "strongish" to against the CO but now want's to "see where he's at" against an old guy who limp re-raised small. It's a ridiculous play buy many recs do it, the only other possiblity is minraised on the button multiway with a genuine premium or is "pot sweetening" .. all in is good against that as well.
Pre-flop the buttons range makes very little sense. I was thinking it's only queens or a-q suited. Heros old timer image and limps utg is suspicious. The button flats the $30 and doesn't want to scare away the tilter or get 4bet jammed on by the tilter, so he flats the $30. Plus, he gets to see what the heros limper does. When the hero pops it $105, he min clicks back to see what hero does. If hero jams, he snap folds qq and a-q suited. But hero can't fold for $100 more. That's too good of a price with this hand. Hero has to check jam this flop. K-j suited is a terrible candidate for limp calling or limp rasieing utg. A-x suited or low middle pocket pairs are maybe okay in certain games and tables. K-j suited utg is just a 3x $15 open and see what the tilter does. If the tilter 3 bets to say $60, he squeezes out players behind, and you just flat and take it to the flop out of position and play the board and situation. Crazy how he had a-q diamonds here. The worse two cards possible from the villian button. Welcome to poker!
This sounds like Jim Flourentine
Weird hand. A flop jam is best if you get here this way.
Yeah I don’t see what other option hero has on the flop.
I was thinking 200 for the raise
I don't see this as a limp, as described there's a $30 blind in the cutoff, this is just a single raise over a $30 blind, we're playing 5-30 not 2-5, good adjustment. No point talking about solvers here, villain is light years away from optimal.
This is, by definition, a limp-reraise, no matter how you "see it".
@@noex100 True by strict definition you're correct. I was pointing out that someone that will raise almost 100% of the time when it gets to them is no different than someone required to post a $30 blind bet, if the tilting player is that predictable the situation is similar to having a $30 blind if the UTG player is observant enough to recognize this and adjust properly.
The flop play is fine but the pre-flop play is pretty bad.
Flop x/r is nonsense with little to no FE. Hero just wanted to get it allin with a draw because flushes win big pots and was driven by FOMO if he didnt get to see a river with it.
Also the preflop limp-rr with KJ is equally nonsense. This is just not a hand that wants or needs to do anything he's trying to do . Raise pre, take a multiway flop if it comes and play accordingly.
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Caller should take some lessons before playing more - or play on my table
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In certain games, such as the one described a limp reraise strategy is not only plus ev, but mandatory. Bart's inability to understand this makes me think his fundamentals are weak.
First time I felt bad for the caller losing the hand. I like the play.
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I never give action to limp raisers at 1/3. They can have their 5bb dead money lmfao
how about limp reraisers in late position
Happy to see people open limping and losing. Just feels so justified when you choose such a weak opener even with the pre-hand history.
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