I agree with the conclusion that Bart and the caller come to at the end. If the river value bet can be trips or a full house, you gotta check raise smallish and villain calls with trips and raises with a full house. The only way I'm just calling is if villain is apt to incorrectly overplay their trips and jam or something because then I'm liable to fold the best hand.
I think up until the final moment, the hero played perfectly. I think the K on river was just a card he had not accounted for. I also think that the way this played villain will definitely have some K8 & K5 here, as well as possibly having some 88 or 55 [although I question 88 checking back on flop]. So I don't find the check-call on river to be a "bad" play here. Hero probably should have X/R to 900 for optimal value. Because I think Bart is correct when he says nothing short of a boat is going to 3 bet this river. On the other hand, we did get a reveal on this one. Can K6 really call a river check-raise here? Or a K7 K9? Because I also agree with hero that villain does not check back much with a big king on flop. It's hard to say what he would have done, but I personally think it's a fold for villain. Still probably the right play if we might get looked up by KT or KJ.
I feel like K6 should fold to a raise but I'm not certain it will especially if it doesn't have a heart in it. I imagine not raising was like a $100-$200 mistake on average.
When you call his strong turn raise, he has to assume you have something strong, so if he had a truly nutted hand, he would definitely overbet river for value. So his river 300 is strongly geared towards a weak king
I like donk betting on the river small to induce a bigger raise and calling that off and being ok if he has you beat. I think thats the best way to get more value out of Kx hands that have not filled up and limiting your risk when he has a better full house.
What about leading for full pot? Kinda polarize urself and target trip king's? I think that will put the villain in call mode unless hes full. I think thats the better play if ur not going to put in some kinda check raise for extra value
Given that trips is pretty much always betting I think you are only getting slightly more value from a king by donking (honestly you might get the most value this way even if you check raise) but not worth shutting down their bluffs for that.
I can see calling the river if the villain is an OMC & polarized himself with a massive overbet on the river, but as played, this is a slam dunk raise. Dream spot!
How can you not raise there to like 900-1000 ish? OMFG. Bad play by the hero and he should have taken the villain to value town. Just check-raise to 1k and if he shoves you can easily fold because the spot is so UNDERBLUFFED if he comes over the top. A good learning lesson for the hero.
@@guillermoalvarez9400 Yeah true, but that happens way less than the players who only shove with better boats. If they shove there then i will fold and will be more good with the fold than if i call it off in my opinion.
@@guillermoalvarez9400You have to know your opponent . Where im playing most off ppl jamming over your raise have atleast 88 or K5,K3,K8 or KK. The stronger ones might just call with hand like 55 so at this point you have bluff catcher
@@losyartyeah true I guess I’ve been used to playing too much low limit stakes where people will do it with just a naked K. In higher stakes there’s probably way fewer players that bad
I think raising back on the turn is the better play. If he is slow playing 88 or KK then so be it, but with a set you're basically making a decision to get it all in by the river or fold. If you're folding on the river, why not fold on the turn?
For a suposed experienced / implied good player that was 1 of the worst calls (non raises) youre likely to see. Referred to villain repeatedly as aggressive- will raise with medicore hands etc.. then chickens out when there was basically a free 7 or 800 dollars for him on river with a raise to 1000-1100 ..villian always calls.
This hand makes no sense at all. He takes the dream river and basically bails out the villain by checking? You MUST go for value. Even a fucking min click you have to get something out of it! He totally ignored his read and the mandatory bet and didn't have a good reason to even check. 😂
if V is betting all of his KX which he probably is then going for a x/r is reasonable, also you let his hands that have no showdown value bluff , he just missed the raise ...the check is fine
Played in Canterbury twice. 4-8 Omaha high... Won a $600 with 3-6 flop came 2-4-5, a A-3, 2 sets, flush draw, and higher straight draws. Brick brick baby!
Caller says that preflop he wants to be attacking, so that’s why he would never limp-raise or limp-call. But doesn’t he realize limp-raising is another form of aggression? Caller is completely ignoring parts of the game tree, which makes him easy to play against.
Cantebury is jammed backed with Limit players... Great place. Aint nothing wrong with Limit poker $6-12+... Bay Area California 6-12 is a $150+ ave pot poker. Its a game where 10-Js is a monster. Its not odd to see a 3 bet preflop family pot.
I dont know what he meant by this but a 3bet minraise is always some trash hand and nothing to do with playing sheriff. 33 doesnt have a lot of options so take the great price he's laying you to setmine but dont be afraid that you'll ever be getting coolered.
Usually two people who both don’t have a hand battling each other. You bet flop with nothing, he raises with nothing, you call to check jam the turn, ect
I haven't seen the reveal yet, but Ah-Kh jumps out at me in terms of the action. I have seen a lot of that type of raising preflop with a "drawing hand." Then he sees the flop and says to himself, I got the board crippled so he doesn't bet. He can also overvalue random Ks.
Not 3betting on the turn is insane. Why dont i ever flop a set when i play? Just one time. People just flop sets and are afraid of boats. Ive noticed a lot of callins here have the same theme of being scared of monsters
What a dumb statement. Most LIKELY Villian has top pair or some combo of two pair with the raise on the turn. I doubt action villian is checking flop with ANY flush draw. I'm not worried about any river card and want to keep villians bluffs in. The river play with check is FINE as long as he check raises, which he didn't. Donk leading river is also acceptable.
Never 3bet postflop, any worse hand that would call is still going to get it in on later streets anyway, and too many hands end up folding when you do this.
Last time I played PLO round by round (PLO one round, PLO8 one round), I called with the nut low on the first hand of the PLO round. That was when I knew it was time to go home and go to bed! Lol😊
Spoiler, caller says he attack pots vs villain. Ends up winning the minimum with a full house vs a "fish" because he is passive. Title is accurate winrate killer playing passively.
I love these “I don’t believe in limping” low stakes players. They get so mad when you limp/raise them. “I don’t believe in limping I’m a REAL poker player!”
The problem is in these type of games you have guys who will jam with AK or KQ thinking those hands are the nuts, so now you level yourself into a bad fold
Common fish logic: I don’t want to raise for value, because I’m worried about him 3bet shoving. The reason why they are worried is because they somehow end up calling, despite being crushed every time.
I was thinking min-3bet on turn to around 350ish... But I've not been the reveal Edit: (after reveal) why 3bet? "Too small for any K to fold"? We rarely get the chance to cooler someone for max, I've witnessed WAY too many 'lost value' hands to ever be scared of reverse coolering myself - via implied odds... This just another missed value hand IMO But in fairness, i just shrug off when I get coolered...I understand many/most don't have that luxury...
If he is thinking about the hand only half as much as he claims to do every hand will take 8-12 minutes.
Too much of this “I know how this guy plays” bullshit.
I agree with the conclusion that Bart and the caller come to at the end. If the river value bet can be trips or a full house, you gotta check raise smallish and villain calls with trips and raises with a full house. The only way I'm just calling is if villain is apt to incorrectly overplay their trips and jam or something because then I'm liable to fold the best hand.
I think up until the final moment, the hero played perfectly. I think the K on river was just a card he had not accounted for. I also think that the way this played villain will definitely have some K8 & K5 here, as well as possibly having some 88 or 55 [although I question 88 checking back on flop]. So I don't find the check-call on river to be a "bad" play here. Hero probably should have X/R to 900 for optimal value. Because I think Bart is correct when he says nothing short of a boat is going to 3 bet this river. On the other hand, we did get a reveal on this one. Can K6 really call a river check-raise here? Or a K7 K9? Because I also agree with hero that villain does not check back much with a big king on flop. It's hard to say what he would have done, but I personally think it's a fold for villain. Still probably the right play if we might get looked up by KT or KJ.
I feel like K6 should fold to a raise but I'm not certain it will especially if it doesn't have a heart in it. I imagine not raising was like a $100-$200 mistake on average.
I love the over emotional thumbnail versus the rational content 😂
When you call his strong turn raise, he has to assume you have something strong, so if he had a truly nutted hand, he would definitely overbet river for value. So his river 300 is strongly geared towards a weak king
Trust me, the guy minraising K6 isnt thinking at all. Easiest river jam in the history of poker
I like donk betting on the river small to induce a bigger raise and calling that off and being ok if he has you beat. I think thats the best way to get more value out of Kx hands that have not filled up and limiting your risk when he has a better full house.
I love these guys that call in, ask for advice, yet at the same time are super arrogant fish. Yes sir, you are a chump.
What about leading for full pot? Kinda polarize urself and target trip king's? I think that will put the villain in call mode unless hes full. I think thats the better play if ur not going to put in some kinda check raise for extra value
Given that trips is pretty much always betting I think you are only getting slightly more value from a king by donking (honestly you might get the most value this way even if you check raise) but not worth shutting down their bluffs for that.
I can see calling the river if the villain is an OMC & polarized himself with a massive overbet on the river, but as played, this is a slam dunk raise. Dream spot!
Is this the one that was full of horrible background noise live? Good job cleaning up
How can you not raise there to like 900-1000 ish?
OMFG.
Bad play by the hero and he should have taken the villain to value town.
Just check-raise to 1k and if he shoves you can easily fold because the spot is so UNDERBLUFFED if he comes over the top.
A good learning lesson for the hero.
That spot is underbluffed but you have guys who will jam with something like KQ or KJ thinking it’s the nuts
@@guillermoalvarez9400 Yeah true, but that happens way less than the players who only shove with better boats.
If they shove there then i will fold and will be more good with the fold than if i call it off in my opinion.
@@guillermoalvarez9400You have to know your opponent . Where im playing most off ppl jamming over your raise have atleast 88 or K5,K3,K8 or KK. The stronger ones might just call with hand like 55 so at this point you have bluff catcher
@@losyartyeah true I guess I’ve been used to playing too much low limit stakes where people will do it with just a naked K. In higher stakes there’s probably way fewer players that bad
I think raising back on the turn is the better play. If he is slow playing 88 or KK then so be it, but with a set you're basically making a decision to get it all in by the river or fold. If you're folding on the river, why not fold on the turn?
In Michigan we call it "Round-by-round" or RxR
For a suposed experienced / implied good player that was 1 of the worst calls (non raises) youre likely to see.
Referred to villain repeatedly as aggressive- will raise with medicore hands etc.. then chickens out when there was basically a free 7 or 800 dollars for him on river with a raise to 1000-1100 ..villian always calls.
Kd or Kc best river cards
This hand makes no sense at all. He takes the dream river and basically bails out the villain by checking? You MUST go for value. Even a fucking min click you have to get something out of it! He totally ignored his read and the mandatory bet and didn't have a good reason to even check. 😂
Yeah it was screaming dude has a weak king. 😂
In his defense he said it was 3am. Still a LOST dream spot. 🤙
This guy talks about never limping, always taking control of pots, yet he doesn't go for value in such an obvious spot.
if V is betting all of his KX which he probably is then going for a x/r is reasonable, also you let his hands that have no showdown value bluff , he just missed the raise ...the check is fine
@tylermokarry9731 yes, but the call is not.
Played in Canterbury twice. 4-8 Omaha high... Won a $600 with 3-6 flop came 2-4-5, a A-3, 2 sets, flush draw, and higher straight draws. Brick brick baby!
lol you are the guy that tells bad beat stories
Who min clicks K 6?
players from the STREETS yo! Aint gonna have these youngbloods thinking they can go around always raising preflop. They'll learn AK is a drawing hand!
Caller says that preflop he wants to be attacking, so that’s why he would never limp-raise or limp-call. But doesn’t he realize limp-raising is another form of aggression? Caller is completely ignoring parts of the game tree, which makes him easy to play against.
Cantebury is jammed backed with Limit players... Great place. Aint nothing wrong with Limit poker $6-12+... Bay Area California 6-12 is a $150+ ave pot poker. Its a game where 10-Js is a monster. Its not odd to see a 3 bet preflop family pot.
Street poker is as fascinating as it is illogical
I dont know what he meant by this but a 3bet minraise is always some trash hand and nothing to do with playing sheriff. 33 doesnt have a lot of options so take the great price he's laying you to setmine but dont be afraid that you'll ever be getting coolered.
Its ROE online from what I've noticed. Round of each
Is this a repost?
What is "Street poker"
They use tiles instead of chips
Usually two people who both don’t have a hand battling each other. You bet flop with nothing, he raises with nothing, you call to check jam the turn, ect
It means clicking buttons without regard to strategy, but naming it so it sounds more sophisticated
It’s when you are bad at poker and have a small pee pee
Reupload?
I haven't seen the reveal yet, but Ah-Kh jumps out at me in terms of the action. I have seen a lot of that type of raising preflop with a "drawing hand." Then he sees the flop and says to himself, I got the board crippled so he doesn't bet. He can also overvalue random Ks.
I didn't hear a reveal on his suits, but if this was Kh-6h, it would make a lot of sense to me.
Guy was a complete know it all. Terrible call in
his range is basically every single K? what a nit
Not 3betting on the turn is insane. Why dont i ever flop a set when i play? Just one time. People just flop sets and are afraid of boats. Ive noticed a lot of callins here have the same theme of being scared of monsters
What a dumb statement. Most LIKELY Villian has top pair or some combo of two pair with the raise on the turn. I doubt action villian is checking flop with ANY flush draw. I'm not worried about any river card and want to keep villians bluffs in.
The river play with check is FINE as long as he check raises, which he didn't. Donk leading river is also acceptable.
Never 3bet postflop, any worse hand that would call is still going to get it in on later streets anyway, and too many hands end up folding when you do this.
I don’t see how you can range K x so precisely. This could easily be any K
Last time I played PLO round by round (PLO one round, PLO8 one round), I called with the nut low on the first hand of the PLO round. That was when I knew it was time to go home and go to bed! Lol😊
Spoiler, caller says he attack pots vs villain. Ends up winning the minimum with a full house vs a "fish" because he is passive. Title is accurate winrate killer playing passively.
I love these “I don’t believe in limping” low stakes players. They get so mad when you limp/raise them. “I don’t believe in limping I’m a REAL poker player!”
Limping is bad but not for the reason this guy thinks. He just sounds like a typical "i want to win hands, not money" type of player.
Sounds like a weird set up. Probably check raising the river here and puke-folding a jam
The problem is in these type of games you have guys who will jam with AK or KQ thinking those hands are the nuts, so now you level yourself into a bad fold
Common fish logic:
I don’t want to raise for value, because I’m worried about him 3bet shoving.
The reason why they are worried is because they somehow end up calling, despite being crushed every time.
If i got to the river, this way, i would donk huge with no regard to the river card
if he's anything like hero says, he's easily betting k/x for value on the river
Rake ?
check call river? wdf
MUBS - monsters under the bed syndrome. Back in the summer of '89 caller remembers a time some tourist had quads.
Entire video is a win rate killer....
This caller is a fish. Lemme in a game with him please.
As a Minnesotan, I endorse: Minnesota, it’s super dumb
Jimmy is the fish
The caller sounds like Jason Kelce
What a fish move calling with a boat to a 40% river bet LoL
the number 1 thing I should fear at Poker Table is..........
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Do you think this guy has a heavy Minnesota accent?
I was thinking min-3bet on turn to around 350ish... But I've not been the reveal
Edit: (after reveal) why 3bet? "Too small for any K to fold"? We rarely get the chance to cooler someone for max, I've witnessed WAY too many 'lost value' hands to ever be scared of reverse coolering myself - via implied odds...
This just another missed value hand IMO
But in fairness, i just shrug off when I get coolered...I understand many/most don't have that luxury...
This is one of those "hand I known that I would've bet more" situations!
It worries me that poker pros can make more money on youtube, than they can playing poker.
This Hero thinks his game is A++... He probably plays tricky and believes thats the Skill... His opponents know exactly his play.
4 handed straddle 😂😂😂 hilarious. The only reason you would want to put in a straddle is that you go LAST
Yes, the villain is betting for value. But you have a full house. I would raise all day.
His internal analysis is all over the place and nonsense
If this guy is half as good at poker as he thinks he is, I never wanna sit at a table with him!!
Caller contradicts himself constantly here.
0:20 Omaha?? (not announced in headline???????). I killed video watch right here at 0:22.
Hold Em
Is this “pan-Dobbs-monium” Jimmy?
Absolutely
@@jimmylayer5143 I KNEW IT!! Haha
Jimmy must have said about 8 thousand poker terms and didn't know any of them meant
I swear, people have forgotten how to speak into a phone...just sayin
Bart realizes this guy is so full of sheeet.
Caller says all the alpha male aggro things then plays the hand like a …
this is what happens when you have no understanding of theory or relative hand strength.
You missed a lot of value.
This guy really just referred to himself as "the hero bets," instead of "I bet"...haha
This is a lead spot.. LOL