Truths the RV Industry Doesn’t want You to Know! (RV Life)
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We had an old Coachmen motorhome from the late 60's and that thing was amazing. Nothing ever broke. Windows didn't fall off. We camped out in it in the driveway and took it all over the country. We took it to the lake with our boat and had mega camp outs with family and friends. Now all RV's are junk.
They don’t build them like they used to
Every person thinking about buying an RV needs to watch this video. After 25 yrs rving I verify that everything you said was true. Warranties are more trouble than they're worth, more accessories means more stuff to break, Rv's are made by the mfg just making it up as they build, and if you think your RV does not have something that needs fixing it just means you haven't been paying attention.
You guys are a blessing to all of us nomads! God bless y’all 🇺🇸
@@davidswenson1723 God bless y’all as well🙏❤️
That is a bit over the top.
On point. I’ve got a plain RV and very few memberships. I avoid most RV campgrounds except for one. 😊 The rest of the time I prefer boondocking and am prepared to do so. I also handle most repairs and installs myself.
You Rock Joe🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
God Bless you for getting this information out to the masses!! GREAT JOB!!!
@@jameshicks914 thank you and God bless you as well
I totally agree about extended warranties. I actually enjoy learning about fixing our RV and doing it myself. I am always doing something to ours to customize it the way we like it. Great video. Thank you guys for always telling us the truth.
Hey Stacy
That`s solid advice. It goes with, Don`t hit the road broke.
That’s important as well
We purchased our first travel trailer from a family owned RV dealer in CT (All RV). They had been and still are in business since 1977. There was absolutely no pressure to buy, they took us through a bunch of RVs in our price range, spent three hours leading us through a pre-deliver inspection when we came to pick it up, had me do the hookup of the RV to my truck from start to finish and then took me on a half hour ride (I drove) to give me instruction on how to tow a TT since this was my first time towing anything and I was a little apprehensive. A few months later when I had a warrant issue (drain pipe in shower broke and running lights stopped working due to a short somewhere in the circuit) they worked with KZ to get approval to have the work done at an RV repair shop 15 minutes from my house instead of having to drive 6 hours to and from CT (would have been 12 hours total to deliver it and then pick it up) to have the work done. This wasn't for a $100K RV but a 22 foot $15K TG. It was only afterwards that I found out this type of customer service in the RV industry is NOT the norm even for $800K class A motorhomes.
Love Mom & Pop shops
Good job you two . Well let’s see we’ve been full time RVers for 3 years . I have replaced every screw on every cabinet door, one microwave, one converter one shower drain, one side window, one screen, one hood light switch , one GFI outlet , one gear pack for slide out , one hinge for hot water heater door . It’s always something. So glad I was in the automotive mechanic industry for 38 years . I have saved thousands on DIY . I generally carry just enough tools to get things done . See you guys in 2 weeks .
See y’all soon!
The whole RV community thanks you. ❤
Our pleasure!
Right on all counts. This is why I teach people to build their own trailers.
I might try and build one myself
Do you know of any custom companies that will work with the buyer to build their desired travel trailer? Thank you 🌲🌳
@@Hundert1 I teach people to restore old vintage trailers. But the idea is all the same. I teach on line and have students from all over the world. I worked as an RV tech for a while in my younger years. Again, nothing has really changed other than the materials trailers are made of.
How would one become a student?
I totally appreciate you two. I have watched since the beginning of your channel. I have watched the positive changes in your life, and your beautiful child is thriving. It's a breath of fresh air to hear the truth. Good or bad. God is good !! Bless you !
We are so Blessed with Sagey❤️❤️❤️
God bless you as well
100%! Especially about the RV breaking, & the techs being subpar. It is best to DIY it ... if you can! God bless you guys & keep spreading the Truth!
that goes for almost everything... DIY to get the job done right and the way you want it to be. And you SAVE a bunch of money and you learn new things.
God bless you as well
In the timeshare industry we were told to "keep your customer in the ether" until they sign.
Targets for sure
I have literally lived in my 30 foot grand design fifth wheel for the past three years at different campgrounds I bought this thing used for 25,000 great buy and it’s held up wonderful it’s a 2019. can’t say I didn’t get my use out of it. I’m a contract engineer, single by myself and it works out great I can move wherever I need to whenever I need to I love it
That’s great!
Truth! Outside of the RV itself (which could be junk, so engage an inspector, new or used!) if it's a service they offer, almost guaranteed to be crap! The more expensive the "warranty", the more convoluted and mercurial the language that gets them out of having to pay! "Oh, sorry sir or ma'am, you bought it on a Thursday, we only cover RV's that were bought on a Wednesday!"
Hey Wes! Yes, warranties are a scam
And this is why we love and trust you guys! 💓. GREAT camera BTW, it's super clear.
Thanks so much!!
So……what you are saying is that I should abandon my search for a class C and look for recreation elsewhere ??
That’s the message that I got from your video. Thanks. There will be one less potential RV enthusiast on the road this fall and in the future. So glad that this video came my way.
NO! We are saying that it’s your responsibility to do the research and make an informed choice.
Wow macloans that sounds a bit immature to say. I guess some folks just don't like to hear truth.
First, you guys are adorable!
I wish I knew about the wholesale warranty idea. My sweet little gal has been in the service department since April. I was told it would be 2-3 weeks. I get to pick her up Saturday. The service manager “Ms Bell we are going to go ahead and put your camper in rotation and get this done and over with” with an attitude in which I called her out on. I have called them every single week. I finally got her to explain to me why I kept getting jumped over; their new sales and make readies are priority and I told her it should also be about return customers too. Told her my sis was looking but because of how they were treating me, she went elsewhere and purchased. Honestly it was about 5 warranty items that I probably could have done myself. Ugh!
Keep telling it like it is, thank you!
I thought I won a motorhome today on a scratch-off at a donut shop... Scratched it off and it said "Win A Bagel"
Such a great video!!! Thanks for being willing to be the ones to say it!!! Love you guys, be well.
Love you too
You guys are having fun!! Just renewed my annual membership.
Thank you for all the support William❤️
Mecedes, you are right about all of them. I love my escapees. I hope we survive. Gd was wrecked by winnie.
We cancelled our Escapees
Depending on if you are living in it, or just going away for a week or two... i'd go with a Ram ProMaster van for 50 grand... outfit it fairly well but cheaply... I think it drives better, gets better gas milege, easier to park and although its not a honda, should be much more reliable than a motorhome.
Started full time July 1984 in a 1970 Travel Eze one mile from end of runway at NAS Miramar Top Gun school. Retired Navy Engineering Officer. Back then there were quality RVs. Forest River was founded by a man who owned Cobra RV and sold it. That company didn't make it and he bought it back. Back then no apps just manuals. 😊
CW took over my local RV dealer that has a surprisingly competent service department. I'm holding my breath, but they haven't ruined it yet.
Many campgrounds have mobile rv techs that stop in the campgrounds regularly. These guys seem to know what they’re doing.
Guess I will keep my cabin in the woods!
Certainly!🇺🇸
Wow, this is a great video!
I got my first motorhome in 1997
Everybody should watch this video that is thinking about getting an RV
Thanks again
Glad it was helpful!
The only quality RV I have found, unfortunately cost $650,00 to $1.3 mil and made by a private company in Colorado. Wish I could afford a EarthRoamer. Thor, Dynamax 4x4 RVs are garbage.
Earth Roamers are gorgeous
I followed you guys since 2020 and I've learned alot about RVing. I've also seen the transformation of the channel and thank you for standing with the truth. You guys are sincere people, much love ❤🙏
Exactly !!! You can't trust dealerships and you can save yourself thousands knowing how to do repairs yourself.
Preventative maintenance is the most important !
Camping world is the worst IMHO. I've had many clients pay for inspections at CW and CW told them to pound sand on fixing the issues !
All RV inspectors are not created equal either ! Do your research and ask a lot of questions !!! Make sure they are NRVIA certified.
If a dealership says you don't need a 3rd party inspection, ask them for documentation and date stamped photos of everything that they found wrong on their "PDI" before you sign anything ! Not going to happen !! The dealership is not going to give you a report that could be used against them or the manufacturer when things go downhill !!
The people doing these so-called PDIs are not techs in most cases. They are entry level employees that do a little bit of everything. One day they might be cleaning toilets and the next doing a PDI on your RV.
Thanks for trying to educate folks ! Good video...
Wise words - we’ve got a lot of learning to do! Yikes 😅
Y’all will be great
We have a Texas state park pass. An access pass for National Parks. Your campground is the ONLY private campground I am intetested in.
You two are amazing! Agree to everything you both said on this video. My hubby and I almost spent $200k on a new Bounder with all the bells and whistles. But was being pushed to get all these warranties and pushing the payments to more than our mortgage payment. Needless to say it didn’t pan out and we bought a used 2006 Monaco. Thank the Lord that my hubby is very resourceful and has done most of the repairs without a repair shop. Amen to your statement that ‘your RV will breakdown’. Keep it going you two! Much love! 😊
Local Storage shed lots contain dozens of RV's just sitting and rotting for most of the year.
Great video 👍🏼
Thanks for the visit
I had nominated my macerator toilets as most likely to fail first in my RV ownership. After 8 years I haven't had a single issue. Oh, they can fail but they're now way down on my list of things to worry about.
@@BonFShaw that’s awesome! Congratulations
I agree don't buy extended warranties, put the money in a Money Market account, a high Savings account and CDs.
Exactly
@@RVOddCouple If you need any more investment advice please don’t hesitate to reach out! I manage some of my Family and friends retirement plans.
You guys hit the nail on the head! You just have to be careful not to get sucked in by these big companies. Everyone who wants to get a rv needs to listen to you folks and Liz Amazing she makes videos on people who bought lemons 🍋. I always found you guys to be real, thanks ☺️
Liz is great!
At 78 I can’t wait to enjoy ‘extended travel’ but we are going to convert a cargo van, very simply! We can fit in more places, easier to drive and not nearly as much to break! We used to think we wanted a smaller RV but we have learned from you guys AND a multitude of others. They ain’t what they used to be! We are so thankful we learned this BEFORE putting all that money into an RV! Thanks Guys, you are such a VALUABLE resource to your community! 🙏 ❤️
I have worked for RV dealerships for the past 10 years, and completely agree with you.
Thanks
Thank you
Don’t get me going on the RV tech thing. Took mine to camping world in Pensacola and paid over $200/hr for labor only to see the guy you tubing how to work on my Roadtrek. She’s an oldie but Goldie and better made than many new ones on the road!!!
Oh so true . 4 years with 4 months per year on the road and loved every minute. Now have RV parked on a permanent sight in Ky. Live in Florida . Spend 4 months a year at the RV without it moving. So much better . Still problems but fewer emergencies.
We have had our RV for 4 years and have spent 23% of our nights, at 28 different campgrounds and 115 trips since purchase, in the RV. We both work full time, but decided if we are going to spend money, then better get our money's worth. We have a 2015 FR3
Enjoyed hearing your insights. That's why we own an SUV and book hotels. Now, I hope our data doesn't get used inappropriately. Enjoy being RV park owners👍👍👍
Thank you
I think I was blessed when I purchased my trailer right before the pandemic. I dont believe in luck. I researched for 2 years before I purchased. The dealer has been awesome on all fronts. Great service, prices, honesty, timeliness, and friendly. My unit has needed minimal repairs, I am diligent in maintenance. I must give a shout-out to Apache Village in St. Louis County, its a family owned business who service what they sell.
I miss y'all, been having a rough year health wise, but things are looking up. God bless 🙏🇺🇸👨👩👧
(This is Jody C. BTW)
So true, in that the RVer just pays pays pays...saw on a forum yesterday, a fellow pulling his 5th wheel, had a DEF sensor go on him, and the quote was close to $1,400. for the repair! Of course depending on the RV, one of SO many things can go, at any time, so yes, you have to be able to do some repairs on your own, as when you call your dealer, it may sit on the lot for months before they get to you!
My def sensor went in my GMC and it cost me $2200
Buy an old Box Truck and start doing it your self. If you go Dry it is simple. Self composting toilet, out side shower and solar panels .
I agree with both of you so much !!!!! Warranties Bad. I never wanted to buy any. It usually just causes you headaches.
Warranties are a scam
Remember back in 2020, 2021 & 2022, the RV Manufactures were taking parts from every RV they could take to make one good one. I will never buy any RV made between 2020 and 2022.
Good idea!
Thank you for this info; blew my mind! I think Escapees had really gone done hill and now with a new management entity with different missions, hopefully a new opportunity for a great company to help RVers.
We cancelled our Membership
Damn I’m glad I ran into this before I actually started I would like to speak to you guys in person on this topic
I own a class c motor home and my children use it as much as me they do take care of it so we really do get our investment put to use!
Awesome!
The auto industry has demonstrated that complicated products can not be fixed and ultimately plays a major role in exhausting purchasers and the demise of the industry as a whole. Your views are insightful and confirm the KISS program of keeping simply and rarely seeing a person fail who thoroughly follows that path.
Trudging….🙏❤️
@@RVOddCouple Me too. More than 52yrs now.
And the Odd Couple and Odd Squad are wrecking greed, avarice, isolationism, apathy, tyranny and more. In my professional opinion. 😊
Doing what we can 😀
@@paulblack1799 i concur good sir!
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Well Said So True!! I've been there Done That!!
Keep Smiling On!!
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Smiling on….
All this is why I will spend more on a Northland product. I don't think they fall into the mist if the problems you are sharing about. # 3 will apply I'm sure.
Great info!
We pass on all warranties ON EVERYTHING in life No fighting warranty fine print. If it breaks, deal with it and move on. As we view it, we are self insured and money ahead.
@@patmoloney8984 Very Smart! 😀👍
Y’all all so honest. Thank you so much!
@@cadrewstrickland1912 thank you 😊
If you are not mechanically inclined, owning a motorhome is going to be expensive. Very few good RV Techs. James at AZ Experts and Shelburn RV and Affordable RV are the exception.
Just like any other profession, about 5% are any good
You 2 are cool! Thank u for this information. I live out of a minivan on the road, I think I'll just stick with this and skip these overpriced, badly built smaller trailers. I'm guessing they may have issues just like the RVs.
We all have our own sweet spot when it comes to having the perfect home on the road😀
The great memories are when the RV breaks down and the what you have to do to get it back on the road. Of course the memories become great after it all done, not so much fun when you are going through it.
@@larryreynolds007 Sooo true
You are Exactly Correct about all of the hassles ! Remember the KISS principle Keep It Simple Stupid !!!! Just like Boats and Airplanes , RVs are a Cash Sink ! I still Love all of the Awesome Experiences I've had ! Keep up Your Good Work ! God Bless !
Exactly! God Bless you as well🙏❤️
Great advice! The only thing cheap about RVs nowadays is the way they are made. Do you guys hear much about the RVs that were pushed out the door during CV-19? I heard that some of those were either sold missing an appliance, or certain parts were substituted because they couldn’t get parts. Just curious.
This was a good video. You touched on so many points of interest, each of which is a candidate for a video of its own. Personally, I'd appreciate a drill-down on the Harvest Host and Escapee programs. Nice job you two!
Glad you enjoyed it Tim! Thank you as always
If you can't fix it yourself, you should at least have an idea of how to troubleshoot and possibly even do the fix. When we had our kitchen remodeled, I had researched how everything was to be done correctly. When bids came in, and questions were asked by me, I knew who to hire and who had no idea what they were doing.
Agreed
Truth is warranty work does indeed Payless then customer paid repairs. It is the same in all industries. Mfgs. Limit chargeable repairs to exact hours on eac warranty repair. Where as with the retail customers they can pad the bill for more on repair time covering tech mistakes installing wrong parts etc. there are good repair facilities out there . The important j thing to remember is everyone can have a off day. If you have a good repair shop don’t give up on them immediately. You could be cutting off your own nose to despite your face. Independent repair shops can be just as bad or good as the facilities that sell and repair Rv, cars,motorcycles,etc.
As I’ve said before. If I need to hear the Truth. I come looking for you Two. Not kidding. Thanks
Happy to help when we can
I always say. I’m not rv’ing unless I’m fixing something!
John, when will u be doing a video on the other channel bud
Soon
Marvelous just Marvelous. I love your podcast and your straight up to goodness approach. If ya'll get any better ya'll are going to be Marvelous. Ft. Worth Texas is listening and loving it.
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I'm not an RV'er nor do I want to be one. Yes, at one time it did cross my mind. This video for some reason, I enjoyed it. Maybe there's some subliminal "Wack-a-doo" lol attached to it lo, but it was engaging.
No subliminal message. We’re not very good at UA-cam
Great videos with Righteous Information in the corrupt RV industry!!!
No more quality control across the board.. Quantity not quality..
1-3 month wait to get your RV diagnosed after leaving it for 1-2 weeks then usually have to get approval say from Winnebago etc and after that make another appt for repair. Ok Rv back to repair shop for a few weeks.
Etc
Etc
And standards nor quality control are not like automotive industry
The crap they get away with is unbelievable.
I met someone who bought a tiffin (1st year under thor) and they said if they knew then what they know now they would not have bought it (they had 2/3 other tiffins prior) thor really did ruin tiffins good name!!!
Thank you guys great video. 👍👍👍👍👍
you are correct that warranty work doesn't pay as good , but in reality it seldom pays at all and if it does it's hard to get approved, hard to get and harder to get paid from the warranty company.
Nice seeing a grandfather camp with her granddaughter.
Some RV builders, will cancel your warranty. If you use your RV too much. Using those apps. Sometimes gives them enough evidence to void your warranty. You have to look at everything from all angles.
Yes! Keep your head on a swivel
I LOVE THE TRUTH BET VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. THANKS FOR THE VIDEO
We must dig for the truth
I 100% appreciate your honesty and love that you share your opinions on it. I would caution you against using the term professional opinion.
You have a 1st amendment right to speak your mind, however the 1st amendment only protects the government from going after you.
These monopoly’s and mentioning specific companies could come back to bite you in a defamation suit. You are providing feedback on your massive platform that you’ve monetized and they could make your lives H E Double hockey sticks through endless defamation litigation.
Love yalls channel
Thank you 😊
Definitely look before you leap. It's a mess out there it looks like.
Well said!
New Rvs are so low quality. You're better off finding an old RV in the south or southwest away from the rust belt with low miles. You're 100% right also about keeping it simple. I have a 2017 A Liner. It's perfect for a single traveler like myself. So many RV companies sell the dream and for some it becomes a nightmare.
I love old Rigs. Stay away from brand new
Great points ya’ll. I wonder what will happen to the RV industry if we have a real corrective recession in our economy in the near future?
: ) THANKS MUCH for sharing and all you do : ) ALL the BEST to you, family, and friends !! Cheers from Upper Left ! ! ! : )
Thanks for all of the great insight. Been considering buying a RV or travel van, but I think I will pass for awhile. I wonder if Mr. Buffett will unload from the struggling RV industry. Especially since he just sold a ton of Apple stock as well as $5B of BoA.
Good info for all Rv'ers
Glad it was helpful!
" When it's not broke folks, don't fix it!" I get exactly what you mean about the top shark companies and what not. When we bought ours the dealership pulled a part recall on a power plug (exterior) When they deliver it we didn't check it out until the next day and then realized they removed our shower hardware and never sent us anything regarding it's removal, no explanation what so ever. Yet claimed it happened during "processing." Future ref when RV shopping take photos and videos of every item on that rv.
We have a Grand Design, we don't get out much because hubby works a LOT! But every time we try? The damn thing breaks in some fashion...it's expensive to maintain an RV when you don't have time to fix it yourself :(
I’m so sorry to hear that!
Sorry to hear that, we have a 2022 Reflection, so far so good.
@@duchess0816 That's great! I hope you continue to have no issues, it's not cheap to fix. Ours is a 2021 Reflection. They have had to send us 2 main brains for it now, the bed slide has had to be replaces a few times, plumbing issues, you name it. Sad thing about it is that we got it new in 2020. But! It's still an optional roof over our heads if bad goes to worse.
@@tammyp2782 we understand completely, we had a 2017 Sabre, it was the biggest lemon 🍋 from day one. You name it happened. Hope you get things taken care of and can enjoy it.
Foxestails my stepdad called them He was talking about autos but pertains to much even rvs Bunch of extra fancy tech that can turn into moneypit
RVillage was discontinued in 2022 after togo took it over.
We heard
Great words of wisdom, like always!
Thank you for tuning in
Thanks for the video. It's not that I disagree with your opinions, but I would have preferred more data to back your opinions. Data, i.e., specific examples, would go a long ways to substantiate your claims, and therefore improve the credibility of one's opinions.
Just think how many thousands of RVs these companies could have sold but potential buyers walked away and did without or rented one because of these mechanical failures. I always rented them myself and never had issues on the road.
Good idea to rent
😂😂 thanks for the Information ❤
I am 65 and my wife will be 62, we are thinking about selling our house and buying a class A living full time in one. Your thoughts. We live in Florida now and want to summer up north and back in Florida during the winters where our boat slip is at in south Florida ( Okeechobee area). Your thoughts? Thanks
First time I agree you both of you.
Yay
Amen
My ugly; Dometic Brisk Air ACs. The stubby short ones. Never buy an RV with one of those. I had a boneyard of fan motors for those POS units.