Animated Atrocities 194 || Pinocchio (2022)
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#Pinocchio #Disney #Cashgrab - Фільми й анімація
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Strangely self-aware for Disney to turn Pleasure Island into Disney World. It’s like they’re tacitly admitting how evil they’ve become.
They made fun of Bobby Driscoll (OG Disney Peter Pan) in the Chip n' Dale movie (though some have said it was the writers who did that) so yes they probably are
@@matthewcaddis4746 They also self-parodied in Moana when Maui tells her, "You wear a dress, you have an animal sidekick, you're a princess."
not sure if it's tacitly admitting anything as much as a blatant statement daring parents to accept their philosophy, such as it is, or don't bother. i don't give di$ney enough credit to practice subtlety these days, they are entirely in your face at this point.
For what it’s worth, Pleasure Island is/was the name of the adult section of Downtown Disney.
And who’s Gepetto…Mr. hanks who apparently was a flyer to a real “pleasure island”
The whole "Pinocchio killing Jiminy Cricket" thing in the book works much better when you remember that this is a morality tale, and Jiminy represents Pinocchio's conscience. Killing Jiminy represents giving in to your worst desires and "smothering" your conscience.
thats the beginning of the story though. jiminy becomes a ghost and sticks with him.
disney, being the squaky cleab company that they are, even in the 40s, didnt want the main char to kill another main char. especially since it doesnt change the story direction much.
@@juuchan5795 yeah. Sometimes Disney’s changes are warranted if it doesn’t cheapen or ruin the overall message of the story.
Did you know that in Snow White the evil queen tries to kill her three times at the Dwarves’ house.
First she pretends to be dress maker and tries to suffocate her with a corset (like in Pirates of the Caribbean) but the dwarves come back and cut the strings.
The second time she pretends to be a hairdresser and brushes her hair with a poisonous comb, but the dwarves pull it out in time.
The third attempt is the poison apple but we all know how that goes (though in some versions the apple is dislodged from her throat while the dwarves are carrying her coffin)
The point is if they showed all these fruitless (no pun intended) attempts it would not only make Snow White too naive and trusting and the evil queen too incompetent (third time’s the charm, right?), but also weaken the impact of the poison apple scene.
Pinocchio in the book is a completely unlikeable prick. Even when he kinda grows a conscience at the end he barely worth getting his wish of transforming into a real boy. So I get why Disney would try and making him a bit more likeable for their old cartoon, by at least not making him a cold blooded murderer. But now they went way overboard, like they were one step away from having a scene of him attending church on Sundays.
Also Carlo Collodi wrote this story because he didn't like kids. Initially the story was suppose to end when Pinocchio died by hanging. Publishers ( the book was a weekly addition in the newspaper) didn't like it and asked Collodi to change. That is wy the story took a change ater that chapter.
The point of Pinocchio is that if you choose not to listen to your conscience, you give in to your worst aspects, but if you choose to do so, you become a better man.
"Come to Disney become a jackass" is a surprisingly accurate slogan for Disney.
Honestly. . .
I Don't know whether to find that funny or just plain sad. . .
@@New3DSLuigi364 it can be both.
Let's not forget, pleasure island is all about the dilequent boys. The new one is trying to make boyscouts enlist girls. Diversity is strength and equity, don't forget the shoehorn PoC puppet friend.
@@NormanReaddis PoC?! Politically Over Correct?!
@@New3DSLuigi364
Piss On Culture.
As a bit of a palette cleanser: As a kid, after my parents divorced, my dad started dating a woman (they’re not dating anymore) who had a pet cat named Gepetto. Now at one point, a lost kitten wandered into their neighborhood and my dad and his gf took her in until they could find her real owners.
They didn’t know the kitten’s name, but since she quickly started bonding with Gepetto, they started calling her “Pinocchio”.
Interestingly, even after they found her real family and returned her, she later started showing up again, of her own volition.
That’s what I always tend to think about when I think of Pinocchio.
aww UwU
That is probably the most adorable and heart-melting thing I have heard in a very long time. I genuinely thank you for sharing this story. It's moments like that which truly deserve to be described as beautiful.
That is adorable!
This is a very sweet story
(Much better than this live action movie but that's goes without saying)
@@gl1tchygreml1n YES!
You and Schafarillas made a great point about the whole Smoking and Drinking Alcohol thing. It completely misses the point. It seems like Pinocchio and the other kids are just being punished for having fun and not because they are drinking and smoking something harmful.
unless you wanna count....sugar?🤷🤷🤷yet again with all the different kinds of diets Karens are forcing their kinds into nowadays it wouldn't surprise me if they would see drinking a pint of Root Beer as some sort of horrible evil sin🙄🤦♀
Never thought I’d see the day Mr Enter was compared to Schafrillas
@@riffraff7942 They're compared to each other all the time?
In their defense, everytime people try to say “Drinking beers and smoking is bad” to their kids, the latter tend to do it anyway because it’s cool.
Like in “13 reasons why”, despite the series says “Suicide is bad”, people do it anyway because it’s poetic.
It’s kinda “Rules are made to be broken” and Inverse Psychology had a child that ruins them.
Well I just never saw it before
Disney needs to see a doctor about their live action remake addiction. It’s becoming hazardous to their health
Their real addiction is money. Live action remakes are just the drugs they get off on.
@@matthewwylie2735 YEAH AND CATERING TO WOMEN 😤😤😤😤😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨 WHICH THE ORGINAL1940'S VERSION/THE ORGINAL NOVEL WAS NOT FOCUSED ON😾😡😠😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾"
At this point I wish they do it for money laundering
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE for WHY they are doing many live action remakes is because "they want to pretend the cartoon film "for kids" didn't happen and THIS is the real deal they should take seriously because IT IS LIVE ACTION"
AND SOMEHOW that option is more insulting than money laundering
@@ianr.navahuber2195 you are completely right.
This comment 👌
They really missed the opportunity to have Tom Hanks say "You. Are. A. Toy." to Pinocchio.
I think Disney needs a conscience to tell them to stop the live action addiction.
I'm okay with waiting until the Hunchback remake comes out before then.
@@RavenStarMedia this is the problem and why they won’t stop, because people keep wanting their favourite film to be made into live action… and it’s going to be terrible. They all are. There’s not one good live action remake since the early 2000’s Dalmatian movies
@@linksora7120 Eh, your mileage may vary. thought Cinderella and Aladdin were pretty good.
@@linksora7120 ..........The only way HOND (Hunchback Of Notre Dame) is gonna get a LA.....is through R rating, and my god do i wanna see that! Fuck the kids seeing that movie, that thing scars you for life if you're under 16 years old! and it's also incredibly provocative of certain cultures and painting them in a "Racist" light. Also the church judge is simping for a lady 30 years his JR. if that doesn't say "Yo...we gotta make this for the 18+ club on D+" i dunno what does
They need to have a sense of self-awareness first.
Bad movies made from scratch > bad remakes of good movies
actually, the chart goes like this Bad movies made from scratch > bad sequels > bad remakes of good movies
Pinocchio: A True Story > Pinocchio (2022)
sharknado
@@dracodracarys2339 which one
I'd go so far as to say that includes Food Fight. There, I said it.
"Come to Disneyland, Turn Into a Jackass"
That's becoming more of an an accurate description.
You want your kids to never be tempted into drinking and smoking? Just show them the original movie. Works every time.
The original original Pinocchio was batshit crazy. You know the one where Pinocchio murders Jimmy the Cricket. And the fox and the cat attempt to lynch Pinocchio.
And Pinocchio shows he has some martial arts talents.
also in the book, the fox and cat do get what they derserved in the end though again, the book is much longer then the movie. And jimmy cricket died in the first scene he appeared and was a ghost for the rest of the book.
Damn
darker when you realize the boys turned donkey get sold off and likely die too, didn't Pinocchio also completely turn into one in another alternate book ending
Carlo Collodi had issues
With Meet the Robinsons it ends with the quote: "Keep moving forward." With Disney's remakes they aren't moving the studio forward. They are setting them back.
Oh the irony...
The fact the quote was inspired from Walt Disney himself makes it even more ironic
@@MikeMozzaro I know. With Disney's remakes they are holding them back with how unnecessary they are.
Keep in mind that they put that in a film in 2007 which came out whatd I'd call Disney's dark 2000s times. Where teeny bopper sitcoms took a bigger priority over animation.
They are setting the studio more back than Data Design Interactive.
"Disney does not have balls today"
Well that's a massive understatement.
The original Pinnochio movie actually turned down the depression compared to the book. The book was way darker and a lot of people die in it.
I mean... In the book Pinocchio is so bad that he gets hanged and dies. And the lesson was that he was too bad of a boy to exist. That shit wasn't for kids lmaooo.
@@inkonsistency And not only die, but die in the ending of the book at least before the writer was asked to do more, he was so evil that he deserved to die. Goes to show how huge a redemption arc he had after that, though he still did stupid things like go to pleasure island and didnt reform for a lot of time but he did mellow out over time so it teaches kids about morality.
@@inkonsistency Same as the original books for most of the Disney Princess movies.
@@inkonsistency Actually, I believe the opposite. That IS a good thing to show Kids. A Cautionary tale. You Fuck Up, and you will DIE for it.
Hiding actual REAL Consequences from children is NEVER a good thing. That's how you get kids of today who go around, literally killing people, and taking bats to old people to steal their shit, and even 1 kid that literally stole a Congressman's Car right in front of him. Not young teens like 15 or 16, I mean CHILDREN, around 10 years old! doing these crimes.
Why? Cause they never learn lessons like in the original Pinocchio, or other lessons from the Grim Brothers and their stories. Instead we feed our kids these toned down, soft, gentle stories about how they are special, the chosen one, that everyone should be happy to give them what they want, and to be spoiled rotten as everything will go your way and nothing can go wrong.
@@inkonsistency MISSION FAILED WE WILL GET EM NEXT TIME
If Regular Show can cover up alcohol with chicken wings, Pinocchio 2022 can do better than root beer!
I’d argue the original Coachman was the story’s devil. He even did the whole hair curling up like horns thing
that was an ingenous way to depict his deal once stripped of the specifc symbolism from the book
now they aren't even able to put thing in line without having to breack down charathers into multiple roles!
And he told HJ and G to meet at a CROSSROAD: according to folklore, that's where the Devil appears.
That scene was a bit scary for me as a kid, especially when he said "they never come back as BOYS!" With that evil grin on his face. I was a tad disappointed with how they did him in the remake.
@@emilyglass5313 They should have gotten Frank Welker instead of Luke Evans, have the voice behind Megatron with a Hammersmith accent playing a mocap Coachman. That would be f'ing perfect!
@@Raidmasterprod oh he would have been so perfect you're right!
Pinocchio 1940 is, like its source material, a moral fable. The biggest challenge with this remake is that mainstream Hollywood is morally bankrupt and Disney became that a long time ago.
I decided to never watch this version of Pinocchio and now I realised this was the best decision of my life.
Me too!
I have too little interest since these remakes feel like retreading old movies.
As someone who's favorite Disney movie growing up was Pinocchio... look at how they massacred my boy.
Making him a Marionette-Sue was a mistake (no pun intended)
That's how I felt about Mulan, but I think that remake strays way too far from the original source material, moreso than most remakes. At least those have songs and all of the characters from the original movies. Mulan doesn't have any of that.
Look at how they woodchipped my boy.
I felt the same way after seeing the CGI version of The Lion King
@@eatatjoes6751 The attempt on a remake for Pinocchio has left us scarred and deformed...
the Blue Fairy recasting to me is like Disney stating Lefou was homossexual, its just baiting with controversy to get people talking about a bad movie that has nothing going for it, only for neither character do anything meaningful in the story so they can be easily removed/modified for the chinese market.
Lefou was meant to be homosexual in the remake?
@@an-animal-lover , Lefou in the original was Gaston’s boot licker, and Lefou in the remake is more of a dick sucker towards Gaston than a boot licker.
@@an-animal-lover not at first. He seemed a bit more fanboyish than in the OG but did sort of questioned Gaston's actions over the course of the film. Until we get to the end. After he redeems himself in the climax and we get to the final dance where he passed off a random girl to dance for another guy.
@@SnazzyjazzBro aha, didn't notice when watching the film, probably cause I would check out during that scene
A modern day adaptation of Pinocchio could actually have been quite good. There are plenty new temptations that kids have to avoid nowadays, like social media and the internet, but modern Disney could never make that movie. Ironically Disney needs a conscience more than the new Pinocchio.
I'd like to expand on this list if you don't mind me doing so
- children now have to resist a lot of internet based scams, tricks, and adult media. (25% of the internet is... Nrop, and supposedly 1/3 of households have no parental controls on such stuff)
- children now need to be vigilant against social media of all sorts
- drugs are still a major problem that many children need to struggle against, just not in the same way as before. These days, it's more common for kids to abuse a prescription drug than it is for them to smoke or drink
Ugh... I would rather not.
I’m glad you addressed that root beer can be made with alcohol. It’s also worth noting that root beer once contained safrole (aromatic oil in sassafras) for its flavor; safrole was banned by the FDA in 1960 for its carcinogenic, liver-damaging properties, not so different from alcohol (in excess). Knowing how cruel and cunning the Coachman is, it wouldn’t be uncharacteristic for him to use these obscure facts to his advantage. Not to mention that both the original story and the original Disney adaptation predate the safrole ban.
The addition of girls on Pleasure Island adds another dark layer to the Coachman’s scheme. My hypothesis is that while the “stupid little boys” get sold off into slavery in the salt mines and circuses, the “stupid little girls” get sold off to be breeding animals. I think that makes the name of “Pleasure Island” even more sinister.
*OH MY GOD, THAT MAKES IT WORSE.*
See, this is why randomly adding girls to scenes that didn't have any creates more unfortunate implications.
I doubt Disney went in that deep. remember, this is a quick cashgrab remake with bad acting, bad effects and no though put in anything including the morals. Also Pinnoc was kidnapped in this remake, not convinced to go, so hes just bearing the unfortunate consequences of things he got forcefully dragged into here.
Pleasure Island; MORE LIKE JACKA*** ISLAND!!
They could have easily avoided these implications with just a little bit of forethought...
holy shit that's dark
Walt Disney must be crying in his grave as his original animated movies are getting destroy with remakes.
Remake can’t destroy originals, just not do them justice.
"Are the jews gone yet?"
"No."
"Put me back in"
@@goreweeb4566?????
@@aaronfield7899 family guy lmao, sorry
Not crying, just rolling in his grave.
the fact that theres a scene in the remake of pinocchio taking a hot minute smelling shit is paramount to its quality
This is the end result of four decades of Eisnerism.
I never thought that Pinocchio was obscure, especially since Disney's logo music is from it.
how is pinocchio obscure its really famous
@@hughbathurst731 It’s also had a fairly notable presence in Kingdom Hearts, with levels based on Monstro (the first game’s level design is far from intuitive to navigate), the theme park and underwater not to mention Jiminy joining the Sora, Donald and Goofy trio to curate the journal the player builds up (which has a very prominent role in re:coded). In the first game you can visit Pinocchio and Gepetto in Traverse Town after completing Monstro’s story, getting gummi ship designs from Gepetto.
Yeah I don't understand how it's obscure. It's not like it's "The Reluctant dragon" or something. As you said "When you wish upon a star" Disney's anthem is from this movie and if anything the movie marked the beginning of what Disney once stood for making it just as important as Snow White.
@@queenofawesome2550 Today I learned there was a movie based on The Reluctant Dragon.
@@NitroIndigo The movie is actually interesting too. It's on Disney + and has a live action segment going behind the scenes of how they made old Disney films. And the cartoon to me was pretty charming too. I definitely recommend it.
The blue fairy looks like she went through a tree shredder with a few hundred pounds of glitter.
The growing nose is symbolic - and speaking as someone who understands that symbolism, his nose shouldn't grow if he's obviously and deliberately lying to make his nose grow.
The metaphor is that there are two kinds of lies: those with long noses and those with short legs. The lies with long noses are as plain as the nose on your face. The lies with short legs never go anywhere. If he's lying with no expectation of his lies being believed, instead of his nose growing, his legs should shrink.
With the news that sprung around regarding The Little Mermaid, it's safe to say that Disney has lost its touch and now only exists to print money after money.
What news?
Honestly, the only products made by Disney itself nowadays I would consider good are the animated movies and shows. Everything else stinks of greed and laziness.
@@ultrafox4005 The Little Mermaid is getting a live action remake, as seen at 10:03. When I first found out about it, my brain went "here we go again," with the assumption that it's going to be really bad, hence that and this existing as a means to print money.
@@Deley18 Now in my honest opinion there is nothing wrong with Ariel being played by a black woman. I'm just worried if she will some how get the same treatment as the Blue Fairy (which sounds unlikely but Disney does have a track record with completely defeating the point of central characters. Like literally the entire cast of Mulan 2020)
I am also worried that actual criticisms of the movie will be drown out by people say "You just don't like it because Ariel is Black." That's kind of what happened with Black Panther, while the movie is great their are some very obvious CGI among other ussues that people point and were immediately lambasted on Twitter for having a negative opinion about a movie with a mostly POC cast.
@@ultrafox4005 I feel really bad for Halle Bailey. Because of entertainment media's recent streak of casting people of color to pander to audiences, she's getting caught in the crossfire. Even the dark-skinned ballerina puppet and her puppeteer feel like they were added in for extra representation. Her story goes nowhere in this movie. I'm not a POC or anything, but as an Asian with even less representation in these kinds of movies, I do want better backstories and development arcs for the characters I'm supposed to relate to.
Oh god. This movie bites.
Not only that, but are they implying what kids normally would do is bad by changing Pleasure Island? The insults, the candy, the root beer...the shoplifting...
...also, the worst part about the shrinking Blue Fairy is that they had gold if they removed Fabiana and the seagull and kept her role in the story as it was.
*Morty groans*
Aw geez.
Not only that, but in this version, there are even good kids, who either went because of peer pressure, or just to have fun without breaking things
Fabiana was added for no reason other than virtue signaling. The message is, "Hey, look at how great we are, we now have a black character who's totally unessential to the plot! Isn't diversity great?" (I have no problem with more representation of people of color, but I think it's racist to preferentially cast an actor of color when the character's race isn't relevant to the story, which is my same objection the "black Ariel" in the live action Little Mermaid.) That said, Fabiana's ballerina puppet is quite cute IMO.
@@hotwax9376 The Blue Fairy's race was changed and her role shrunk.
@@veronicapiccinini7956 So Disney hates fun.
Checks out.
@@veronicapiccinini7956 seriously, they're acting like the kids are bad for going to a free amusement park. Hell, adults would do that, let alone kids
Wacky theory: Disney found out a more creative Pinocchio movie was being made and was like "Hey we have Pinocchio too, let's make a new one!"
I still remember watching the original film in school in 1st grade with other 5/6 year old no editing no cuts we go to see the drinking and smoking because it was an easy way of depicting morals to children
it give a better frame of reference for this comment I started school is 2005 so it not a early to late ninties everything was loose around kinds no mid 2000s
The fact that they changed the beer to root beer told me everything I needed to know about this version.
That’s a mea culpa for all the years that Disney has promoted carbohydrate consumption. Science has shown that it, not saturated fat, has contributed to a huge spike in obesity since the end of the 1970s. John Houseman lied to us with those Puritan oil commercials!
I love me sum root beer. Barq's root beer especially. Other than it giving me bubbly stomach, it's not alcoholic. Changing the beer to root beer won't help the kids refrain from heavy booze.
Yeah, need we say more about how overly politically correct and non-daring Hollywood has become? The 1940 film really took a risk by depicting children smoking and drinking as this behavior was considered much more inapparente for children than it is today. Changing it to root beer makes the entire scene pretty pointless.
Since I read the book before! I watched the original 1940 animated film, I actually thought Pinocchio got off easy.
He's never hung, drowned, caught in a bear trap, beaten by a circus ring master, threatened with being burned alive or jailed for four months for being the victim of con artists, he also doesn't kill Jimany cricket (just called the talking cricket), either.
That being said, in the book yee gods he has to work for his redemption! As in go to school and work hard for a full year, then throw it away to go to pleasure island, and then after he eventually escapes being a donkey, he still! has to work his arse off for many hours a day doing manual labour at a minimum wage job, supporting an old and sick Japetto, and (at that point), a sick and destitute blue fairy.
No instant tear redemptions or easy sacrifices there!
Now, a Pinocchio remake based on the book where the lesson was that if you want to be a real boy, IE a better person you have to literally work your ass off for it; ass in both senses, that! would be amazing!
But then again, such a moral would hardly be fit for: "modern audiences!" or reflect "the world as it is today", would it.
Cricket looks like he stepped out of a hypothetical Bugs Life 2
I didn't think there was a way to make the kid turning into a donkey the most terrifying scene in Pinocchio completely soulless, but they so how found a way to do that
My issue is with Jiminy; why does the Grasshopper villain from A Bug's Life look better
Because it's Pixar.
even for a 1998 film, it looks really good
Because they tried to make Jiminy look similar to a real cricket/grasshopper, while Bug's Life bugs were stylized to fit an animated movie.
It's a bit sad here, though. They tried to make Pinocchio look like his source material, but they decided to botch Jiminy, arguably the more recognized character of the animated movie.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Bro the bugs life characters look more like their respective insects than Jimminey.
Hopper
Here in Italy we make Pinocchio movies pretty much every three years.
If you want to check out something made by us I suggest:
• Luigi Comencini's 70s miniseries, with Gina Lollobrigida as the Blue Fairy
• Giuliano Cenci's animated movie from the 70s
• Enzo d'Alo's 2012 animated adaptation (I think it's on UA-cam)
• and most of all Matteo Garrone's version, with Roberto Benigni as Geppetto (and don't worry, he's good this time) and the late and great Gigi Proietti as Mangiafuoco
I'm not gonna lie... It would be hilarious if you guys made a version of the original-original short story.
I don't know how many knows but.... the longer story that involved pleasure island and so forth wasn't really planned.
At the beginning, Pinocchio was just a little short story. Pinoch is given life, he acts like an asshole, then the cat and the Fox lynch him. Killing Pinocchio right then and there and he's just dead.
And the moral of the story is that Pinoch was given the gift of life, but he wasted this precious gift, and thus doesn't deserve to live, and that's the end of it.
It just happens that the short story became so popular that the author continued the story. But originally... That's where it ended... With Pinocchio freaking DEAD! In less than a day!
I'm in my early 30s and I watched Pinocchio several times at my grandma's place. Sure it had some dark imagery, but I never minded as a kid, I always liked cartoons that dared to not just be sunshine and rainbows. Then again I've also always loved Halloween for its dark and moody atmosphere.
I’m actually getting sick and tired of Disney live-action remakes anyway.
They're running out of things they can milk :p
@@Axel_Kasai The only one I’m looking forward to right now is the Jungle Book 2 because I definitely loved the first one from 2016. Let’s just hope it’s a decent sequel to it!
@@TrevortheTrainFan these going to be a second one?
@@an-animal-lover From what I’ve heard, yes.
@@TrevortheTrainFan cool.
I watched the 1940's version of Pinocchio. It still holds up today, and is one of my favorite movies. It has charm, but dark as hell, but that's why it's good: Though dark, it still has this charm I can't explain. Anyone agree with me?
Yep!
I never especially liked 1940 Pinocchio. But your right. It had charm and a good message.
Agree completely. This abomination inspired me to pick up the original and it's a timeless work of art. They made it 82 years ago and it looks like it could be made today. I mean, they put a glass pane in front of the camera to film for the ocean scenes. That's pure creative genius at work.
@@SamtheBravesFan, yeah. I heard of two things they did for that film (1940 version):
1) They played with the mic's wiring to get the voice distortion for the underwater scene.
2) They didn't know how to animate a moving object that had wheels. So, they made a mini model of the wagon, shot the angles with said mini wagon, then basically drew over the filmed wagon, and put the animated characters in the scene.
If that's not passion, then I don't know what is.
Darker films tend to be like that because they are more real. The best and worst of man comes out in the darkest of the night.
"disneys laziest cashgrab"
thats a very high bar at this point. but its ok, theyre planning more shameless live action remakes so i doubt it will keep that title forever.
if i recall correctly, they are doing snow white next and are changing the drawfs cause its too racist, so its going to be bad esp since the 7 drawfs are some of the better characters in that one and prob make snow white drop the rock on the queen cause she needs no man
@@danmiy12 and more massonic symbolism that was materfully reworked into kid frielndly out the windows...
Honestly the only thing impressive about Disney's remakes, or just general milking of their properties, is that I always end up surprised in exactly HOW they screw things up.
I could take wild swings about a sympathetic Ursula, extended 10 minute preamble of Atlantica worldbuilding, or writing Prince Eric out as a character motivation and I'd probably still miss.
Since it was briefly mentioned in the video I would like to add on the Italian aspect of the movie, or lack there of: they didn't have to cast all Italian actors or even Italian actors, what they needed to do was to at least try and portray a realistic 1800s Italy in a supposedly live action film (difficult, I know, especially with a Disney level budget). There are multiple mention of Siena being the next city on the puppets show's tour, so one would think they are in central Italy BUT the scenery, the costumes and the architecture is mostly Bavarian/Austrian (Pinocchio even wears lederhosen and Tatiana a dirndl). I know it was like this in the 1940 film but they could have changed it in the remake or at least kept Pinocchio's costume to symbolize how out of place he is in central Italy, or they could have done it out of respect for italian culture and for the original story, that is to this day very important in Italy.
- An Italian who is tired of misrepresentation
at first I didnt have any issue with the blue fairy being black in this movie since it dosent affect the plot negatively (the little mermaid being that Ariel, believed to be human, would be looked at with uttermost disdain in a town in Denmark in the 1700's-1800's if she was black and thats a fact I just cannot ignore) but since you put the light on the fact Disney is also exploiting this actresse's race just for brownie points while limiting positive or relevant screentime of minorities in general in their movie, it makes it all the most concerning since this strategy is working for Disney (people who see beyond the surface are called "racists" and all this fighting back and forth is giving the mediocre movie plenty of the attention Disney so desperately seeks). I fear of the future with compagnies that are able to manipulate their audience to THAT degree, it sends shivers up my spine.
they do it pretty much all the time with the superhero movies. "yes we need an x spiderman to fill the box". casting or just character choice they dont really care, they just put a character in with x characteristic for """relatability""". on a fundamental level, sure, you can say people will flock towards characters like them, but how many people like japanese anime characters who arent japanese themselves? my favorite character usually ends up being the one that *acts* the most like me, not the one that *looks* the most like me.
@@pikminman13 yet people dont get that. they're like" hey finally a character that looks like me!!" without giving much thought about what the character ACTUALLY is or does. They are sadly so desperate for representation that they criticize and sometimes even try to cancel anyone that gives any kind of commentary other than positive on said representation, weather hateful, simply negative, or neutral. and compagnies know this and exploit this to get money out of minorities, which is ironic considering its same said compagnies that where ALWAYS responsible for the lack of good if at all representation in media throughout history. The fact minorities think that compagnies suddenly care about them (rather than simply wanting more money from them) just because they see themselves represented superficially is sad and, weather they like it or not, - ist in itself. sorry for long rant I just- UGH! this is coming from a Bisexual woman with mental illness, btw. so yes, I am in some sorts, a minority.
And what makes it even more infuriating is, as many besides myself can tell you, is the double standards. We all know they would never take something like The Princess and the Frog, and make any of the main characters white. Granted, that movie wasn't meant to be a retelling of the original fairy tale, but rather a story built around its concept. Still, what gets me is when people say things like 'it's just a fictional character' or 'this character's race isn't important to the story' but when it happens to a non white character, suddenly that goes out the window. Now I won't sit here and pretend that movies haven't been whitewashing characters for decades. Hell, I was pretty pissed at what they did with The Last Airbender. But I just can't stand when people treat things differently depending on which race or gender is involved.
@@redphantom6921 or Moana or Kida or Mulan or Pocahontas or Jasmine
@@redphantom6921 i wouldnt even mind it nearly as much if the character was, without a shadow of a doubt, the character they are meant to portray. if the character is animated, as long as they look exactly like the character and more importantly play the role very well, i would let it slide, though that is just in part to the bar being so low.
For once, there should have been a version of Pinocchio where all the bad guys like Stromboli and the Coachman get punished severely, showing how nobody should do bad without karma catching up.
But in this life, people can do bad without karma catching up. Trust me, you don't want your karma to catch up with you. Because a world filled with karma and no mercy and forgiveness is not a world anyone in their right mind would want to live in. Jesus died to free us from the full penalty of our sins. He died to free us from karma.
@@williamfinch9858 Religious spam is everywhere nowadays. I swear, I could look at a video about sunflower seeds and without fail, there will be a "DO YOU KNOW JESUS CHRIST?!!!!?????!!!!!" message.
I think the moral of expecting bad things to happen to bad people isn't really the focus, one doesn't need to see the bad guys having "their just desserts", they're not even really people as much as they are a force, something that will always be around the devil in many coats, the temptations and evils that one can find in any shady area, even in nicer areas.
While "Stromboli" may be the man who leads our puppet pal down a dark path, it could have been any other tempter. While we can assume that those who lead others down the road to destruction will find their own, the moral is more so resisting and seeing the punishment upon yourself. the "Bad guy" may appear to win for much longer, while the average person suffers when they let temptation and sin guide their hands.
It's kinda like seeing a 90 year old smoker, of course the ruin that smoking can bring on should have claimed them much sooner, and statistically it will claim people much sooner, but the ruination it brings is focused on how it hurts *you*. You resist smoking even if someone goes "I'm 20 years past the average life expectancy, hasn't shaved years off my life.", and you don't observe any "Punishment" for their choice.
@@rhondahoward8025 And that's one of the reasons why I hate Christianity. No other religion does this shit.
@@williamfinch9858 what the hell does Jesus have to do with Pinocchio, heck the Original poster wasn’t talking about religion, he was talking about karma
The nose growing moment basically says, “lie if you can get out of a situation with it.” and I hate that.
Cant wait for the Admirable Animation on Pinocchio: A True Story 💅
LESS GOOOOO
He truly wanted the worldussy
PinocCheeki Breeki, as it’s the Russian adaptation.
My favourite part is when Fruity Pinocchio plays CS:GO and shouts Cyka Blyat.
Skadee skadee skadee!
Cannot wait for Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio. It's gonna be a breath of fresh air.
Me too. Hey, maybe Netflix will give it a limited theatrical release, just like they've been doing for some of their other films.
@@NebLleb I just saw it in theaters yesterday and it was amazing and so beautiful!!! I know Enter doesn't do Admirable Animations anymore but I would love to hear his thoughts on it.
@@CKprimeval07 I'd watch it too, but Netflix hasn't released it in UK cinemas yet.
Aged like fine wine!
“In the original film, the Coachman was like a Krampus or Boogeyman figure”
Ohohoho noooo, Mr. Enter… The Coachman was _the Devil himself._
Well Krampus and the Boogeyman are basically demons, so there.
Nope, he was definitely a Krampus; punishing people for being bad. He lures them in with a place where people can be as mean as they want, and once they've become Jackasses, they're rightfully punished by being sent to perform their work as donkeys.
Remember: Pinocchio is a morality fairytale. The "villains" get away with it because their job is to tempt and punish bad people, and our hero must learn to avoid such temptation.
@@NebLleb He also rewarded some bad behavior, like paying Honest John and Gideon to collect the boys in the first place.
@@Arigriphantua Well, money makes the world go round!
So, by making Pinnocchio choose to do the right thing and then get punished for it, they have in fact COMPLETELY 180'ed the original novel, in which Pinocchio actively chooses to do awful things, and then gets punished for it (and usually the punishments are way too extreme for the bad actions, but not always, and that was kind of the point, since the original novel was basically "Here's a story explaining WHY you shouldn't do all the bad things authority figures tell you not to do...").
To be honest, like with Dumbo before it, Disney should NEVER have tried to adapt this story now. The result is pretty much guaranteed to be either tone deaf or pandering, because too much of what happens in the 1940's version would make no sense to modern audiences... Some stories are timeless. Pinocchio's MESSAGE is timeless, but the story itself is not.
If I had a nickel for every time Robert Zemeckis made a bizarre cgi filled remake to a classic film, I have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.(The Witches and Pinocchio).
😂 After this movie, Chris Pine is either going to legally change his name or cut all ties with Disney. 😂
10:10 reminds me of the leaked script of CW's powerpuff girls live action pilot, where they made the professor utonium (originally a white guy, and good father figure if sometimes overprotective) an abusive father in the live action continuity..... in the same product where they said he was going to be played by a black man.....
Oh.
Oh no.
Interestingly, there IS actually another adaptation where Pinocchio using his growing nose to get out of a fix is played straight. In the 1996 (non-Disney) live-action adaptation, Pinocchio grows his nose to hold the sea monster's throat open so he and Geppetto can escape its belly. Crucially, this scene comes AFTER Pinocchio has already learned the moral lesson about lying (in this adaptation, he clowns himself lying to his teacher in front of all his classmates).
I Think I watched that Movie as a Child. . .
I Just Remember hearing "Hey Woodie" and seeing Pinocchio In School!!
@@New3DSLuigi364 As I recalled that one felt like a parody to me.
@@firelightyear I Don't see how. . .
I like that one. Pleasure Island was handled in a very unique way-almost like a hangover. Everything that was indulgent made the boys feel good and have fun until it all came crashing down in the rollercoaster.
Remember they were so proud of their Black Blue Fairy that they gave a sassy seagull more screen time than her.
Sabina/Fabiana completely ruined the Stromboli plot. In the original, when Pinocchio gets captured by Stromboli, you really feel like he's completely trapped and alone. Of course, you know he's going to get out eventually, but there's still a lot of tension and drama, which makes it all the more satisfying when Jiminy finally shows up. Giving Pinocchio an ally completely removes all the tension, and to add insult to injury, she doesn't even free Pinocchio, which makes her completely pointless.
Also, like you mentioned, it's weird that in this version Stromboli actually gets punished for his crimes, but the Coachman still gets away scott free. Like, if they're going to make a change, at least go all the way with it.
This remake should basically be called Pinocchio Torture Porn. It's sad that I'd rather watch the Paulie Shore version than this.
When I saw the trailer all I could think of was Stromboli in the animated version saying "Whaaaaaat's this?"
Also; "because Disney today doesn't have any f*cking balls,"
A-MEN!
@@BlazeHeartPanther And then handing it to Pinocchio like how Disney is handing worthless crap to kids.
@@BlazeHeartPanther "Gee, thanks!"
Jiminy was more relevant in kingdom hearts than this movie
Also, hanks was most likely cast because of his relationship with the director, Robert Zemekis
While I'm thinking about it, disney probably diminished the blue fairy's role here so the movie would sell in China. China historically has not been kind to black representation in movies (proven by how they treated the marketing for the new star wars movies). Furthermore, KMK's casting would have been lost with dubbing due to being a cgi character, which would not be as easy with a live action actor like with the fairy.
Thanks for reminding me that Recoded exists
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 I know it's been awhile, but recoded is kinda slept on. Lackluster story, but pretty damn solid gameplay.
@@conlooka9356 I mean, its Kingdom hearts, I havent yet heard of one bad in gameplay.
Is it just me, or does Monstro look more like a cross between Kyogre and Chaos.
Chaogre
yup :/
If they wanted Chuthulu they should have just done Chuthulu. The real reason he’s not a sperm whale this time is because we can’t makes whales look bad that would anger the morality police.
@@Isolder74 Pinocchio and the Call of Cthullu.
At least kyogre looks cool. I don't even know what that thing was supposed to be
I always thought the horse shit was photoshopped into a UA-cam thumbnail by some guys.
Nope. I didn't realize the horse shit was real. 😨😨😨😨
The hilarious thing is that the fired editor, Rebeccah, finds it better than the 1940 original. 😂
Thats not sad. That's just hilarious
Isn't his real name Ryan or something?
@@petercross1879 what's the editor's full name?
@@petercross1879 Don't stoop to her level dude.
Who’s that???
Something else I've been seeing getting pointed out. "When you wish upon a star" originates from the classic Pinocchio film, and it's since become the Disney theme song. It's the same tune you hear when the Disney logo appears at the start of a Disney film... and it's pretty much gutted out of this movie.
Jiminy sings it and the Blue Fairy does.
The saddest thing about this movie is that I sort of expected this to have a little more heart put in despite the reboot-ness because their entire brand is built on it, but nope.
Enter: what is my next review.
Al: Pinocchio.
Enter: but I already did Pinocchio.
The viewers: father I want to be on my own. I have the hole world to see.
I'm bot sure what he means by that
The russian version
tbf for that one i would put it under "so bad it's good"
@@Mermain123 , unless he’s doing an Admirable Animation of the 1940’s Pinocchio then I don’t see him reviewing Pinocchio any time soon.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr i am curious what he would think of that version
10:06 Finally, someone said it. I've seen people mention the race swap or that the Blue Fairy was limited to one scene but not the fact that the two things are very clearly connected.
"So, what are we reviewing next?"
"Pinocchio."
"Wait, didn't I just review that?"
Aw jeez here we go 😬
My sentiments exactly XD
That's the Pauly Shore one, isn't it?
This is kind of the year of pinocchio, 2 stinkers in a row and hopefully the stop motion one would be good.
Came back to see Mr. Enter, and I'm surprised to find out he made an impressive looking avatar that's a mix between his original image and the modern shadowy one. I approve of this.
I'm glad I missed out on this one, had a bad feeling from the start.
I'm excited for Del Toro's Pinocchio. There's something about ShadowMachine's stop motion animation, a unique approach to the premise, the talented cast, and Patrick McHale's involvement, that gives it a truly whimsical feel to it (unlike this... thing).
IDK. . .
Sounds like it COULD be rather Demented; and TOO Dark for a Mainstream Audience!!
@@New3DSLuigi364 if it adapts the original story degouzaru
I watched the GDT Pinocchio last week. It is a BEAUTIFUL film, definitely the best of the 3 that came out of 2022. Not perfect but made with heart and it shows.
I think I’ll stick with Billy and Mandy’s take on Pinocchio. Y’know, the one that wanted to eat human flesh
I'll stick with the upcoming stop-motion one.
What about the Shrek incarnation?
I don't mind the robot version
I thought that was Meatcanyon's
Doesn't he get disassembled and turned into a chair? I vaguely remember an episode about stepping into a story book.
Jiminy Cricket looks like the Great Gazoo made with the CGI from that 90s Donkey Kong cartoon
12:25 Pinocchio becomes David Hasselhoff in the Spongebob Squarepants Movie 😂
When you wish upon a star, pray that someday all Disney Live Action Remakes gets destroyed and forgotten!!!!
I also hear Blinx Music at the beginning!
I wonder if this was a tactical move by Disney?
Make a live action remake so bad that no matter what comes next, the people who watched it can say, "Well at least it wasn't as bad as Pinocchio."
The whole “kids are turned into donkeys for protesting” thing is giving me some sussy vibes. It would seem Disney would like to get a certain country deeper into their pockets.
The writers:
"We have no brains to hold us down!"
The key thing could have been interesting. Give it a bit of nuance, like the Cat and the Hat. He *starts off* lying, learns its wrong (note I feel like the OG Pinnochio film could have been better about having him properly learn rather than being scared straight), and then refuses to do it, but then Jimminy realizes how it could help him escape. The lesson being that *sometimes* its ok to lie.
Blue Fairy aside, this film makes me think of Captain Marvel. The character doesn't have an arc because they more or less start off morally in the right, at least as far as the film is concerned. It's kinda fitting he stayed a puppet since he didn't die and get reborn either, but that just highlights the problem. Pinnochio didn't fail and grow. He half-failed and stayed exactly the same.
I _THINK_ the whole reason why Pinocchio didn't become a real boy was because the writers wanted to tack on a "Be happy in your own skin" message to the movie. Which is stupid in this context because being a wooden puppet is objectively worse than being a real flesh and blood boy. And again, it just seems like the writers did not understand the point of the plot at all, OR Disney got wind that Netflix was making their own adaptation and decided they NEEDED to compete with that, regardless of how little time they had to make it.
To be honest, Disney-fying Pleasure Island to not include alcohol and smoking CAN work if it's meant to be a place where kids who don't wanna obey their parents go to.
Don't eat unhealthy foods too much, don't play past bedtime, and don't constantly beg for stuff excessively.
Those can be strong messages to kids.
Well said.
It’s anti-labor propaganda.
Many reviewers have brought up the Blue Fairy is played by a black actress, but I think you are the only one who notices there is only one Italian actor in the movie.
Pinnochio doesn’t become a real boy at the end? Wow! that would be like making a Jungle Book remake where Mowgli stays in the jungle at the end. Oh wait…
What a coincidence for this to be uploaded just hours after Pitch Meeting's episode on the movie.
Oh coincidental uploads are tight!
Honestly I didn't really have an issue with the Blue Fairy being cast with a black actress (I didn't even know she was one tbh), But the combination of her bald head and her weird tentacle wings makes me think she looks more like an alien than a fairy.
Also if they're going to tint her skin blue, why not CGI her some blue hair like she had in the original book? It's such a missed opportunity.
the main issue is they gave the black actress, little to do, less than the woman who was white in the original movie...
@@arsenelupin9697 There's a difference between characters whose ethnicity and skin color are important and those that don't. White skin is the last thing people care about when it comes to mythological creatures like fairies.
@@woobgamer5210 don't be surprised if it was because of certain international audiences. Look at Finn from Star Wars.
@@ShannonCarter55 It's a disgusting trend i've noticed in disney movies, where they end up writing black casted characters very shittily... actually wait Rose in Star Wars proves they write any non white american poorly
@@jlev1028 so changing the skin tone of african gods is okay? cause there color rarely mattered liike that or is it only a one way street?
Funny the Evolution of Billiards is also the Evolution of Professional Billiards players. Go from gambling to a more clean cut legit game/player.
Billiards also stopped being a game of gambling because people in the modern times calls billiards a game of pool table instead.
Given how Jiminy Cricket's role in the story has been made so utterly pointless they might as well have had Pinocchio squash him against the wall like in the original story from the late eighteen hundreds. -_-"
And to think, Bambi is next up on the chopping block. Can’t wait to see his mom just wander off and never come back because Disney doesn’t have the guts to depict hunters shooting at them, nor do I think it has the guts to depict Bambi himself getting shot in the third act.
Tell me about it. Bambi is probably the least suited for any kind of update because, like it or not, nature and death are universal concepts. They may evolve over time, but they can not be fully eliminated or denied. To call either problematic is to deny reality altogether.
6:58 world's most unsubtle "resistance is futile" message
I will give this movie ONE compliment but that's it: Pinocchio himself looks exactly like in the original movie. I didn't watch this version, I knew it was going to be bad, but at least he looks right.
I think the real tragedy here is that despite the film taking place in the late 19th/early 20th century there are no references to imperialism and the division of Africa. It would absolutely be on the mind of everyone at the time, especially children, and would’ve heavily effected society at the time. It’s amazing that Disney would overlook something like this in a kids movie.
I’m glad you got around to reviewing this one Enter. It truly needed to be rightfully bashed and labeled as an animated atrocity! The original 1940 Pinocchio is my most favorite Disney film of all time and the company needs to go bankrupt for what they are doing to these once beloved classics.
This and the Aladdin remake are the two that piss me off the most (though I refuse to watch Mulan at all), because they don't understand the originals the most. Pinocchio 2022 completely guts the moral of the movie, makes Jiminy useless, makes the Coachman not that much a threat, forgets the Blue Fairy should be a thing, and just makes Pinocchio good from the beginning. Aladdin completely forgets why Aladdin is a compelling character in the first place, by both making him steal things that aren't food (so instead of just stealing for survival, he's stealing to sell stuff to get food), and makes him not clever anymore (either making his accomplishments accidents, like him getting out of the cave, or Genie needing to tell him to make Jafar a genie), makes Jasmine less strong and independent than the original, the Sultan loses personality, Jafar stops being a threat and stops being entertainingly evil, and there's weird added subplots that are just uncomfortable (Prince Anders and then Genie's love interest especially).
disney: "we cant have our characters drinking or smoking cigars, even if its portrayed in a completely negative light"
also disney: "its totally fine to have characters smoking and drinking in the MCU"
1:35 Not only do they not get better, they are worked to death hauling ore carts in the mines. Basically a death sentence after torture.
you could easily swap out cigarettes with vape pens
If Walt Disney could see what his company has become... sigh.
0:00 and there goes my expectations for Pinocchio.
I would have respected an honest attempt to tell the story as it is in the books. where Pinnichio is a complete POS to everyone he comes across, and gets consequences for his actions, but when his friend is turned into a donkey and his father is sick he learns responsibility and labors hard to make things better.
There are times where I do acknowledge or even laugh at your mistakes, but so far, I am still a fan of your work.
how is eating candy,riding a roller coaster,and drinking root beer sinful anyways??🙄thats just kids being typical kids at that point! Disney is so weird nowadays
Yeah, that's what you would expect from the animated film when those things were condemned by a more conservative and religiously hysterical America.
The fact that candy and soda is bad for you but that’s like the lowest rung of vices because not many people know about how bad these are and it takes time for the bad things to show up like it’s never immediately unlike drinking booze you can’t just drink a couple of pints of soda in one night and get hurt ( Mountain Dew, Vault and sundrop are the exception because they’re highly caffeinated) unlike whiskey which you would get very drunk if you drank 2 pints of whiskey
Tl;Dr soda and candy are bad for but if you say it’s equal to booze and smoking you’re a Karen
I audibly wheezed when you pointed out the Coachman looks like Stupendium it just came so far out of left field 💀
>Protest to turn into donkeys
At least Disney is being honest.
this feels very gross and too on the nose and too 'not the time for this' with the whole 'Don't say gay' protests happening in Florida, especially pointed towards Disney, it genuinely feels like they're bitter and spiteful to a very serious issue that people have real reasons to be angry at Disney about, and turning them into disrespectful kids to be turned into jackasses...