Is Multiboxing Killing EVE Online??
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I don’t mind it in mining and I’ve never heard the rocks complain (they do talk if you listen long enough).
hahaha... I talk to my drones.
Lol 😂
What do you think of the guys triple boxing frigates in T6 abyss
Rocks are friends!!!
I have, on more than 1 occasion, had an alarm set to wake me at night, so I could log in and pop a cyno so "the freighter guy" could move shit around.
Lmao awesome!!
doing gods work
Alarm clock ops were the rule, at least back in the day, hell I remember setting my alarm just so I didn’t have hours long gaps in my skill training.
@@johnpatz8395 same, naturally. I was at fanfest when they announced the skill que. Roaring applause.
There is a difference between someone with multiple accounts to move and scout for their Capital Ship and someone with 10 accounts ganking in high sec.
I personally don't think there is. What is the functional difference between 10 players ganking you on their own accounts and one player ganking you on 10 accounts?
@@captainbenzie the difference is there is a need for 10 player that need to cooperate, then one person mulitiboxing and ganking, I have played mmorpg for now over 20 years and i have always looked at it as cheating and makes a bad community, including people leaving since a good deal of players look at is as cheating.
@@frodehorgen2519 100% agree. its banned in 99% of games for a reason...
@@captainbenzie it is the same as bring a gun to a fist fight and say it is fair.
since there are just one player on both sides yet one have 10 ships and there other just one. it is one of the most idiotic arguments i have ever heard within gaming, if you cant see the detrimental effect this can have on a game especially pvp, then you have no clue of fair gaming and sportsmanship.
@@frodehorgen2519 okay, so the ten guys ganking you is also fair??
This is EVE, NOTHING is fair, and that's the point. If you get ganked by a fleet of ten guys, come back with eleven friends. Warfare isn't fair. Piracy isn't fair. You think the privateers in the Carribbean only picked on armed navy vessels?
You think that the nullsec blocs message ahead to ask what they're bringing, agree to a "points value" and set tournament rules for their wars??
I think you've massively misunderstood EVE if you think fairness EVER comes into it. It's not about fair, it's about swinging the odds into your favour.
Get some friends, band together and be more than any one person can be. Swing the odds to your favour, or stop complaining.
Multiboxing changes nothing. But most backwards of your argument is that I'd rather be ganked by one guy piloting ten ships, then ten guys individually. I think I personally stand more of a chance in the former 😉
I think Multiboxing is one of the most interesting and most destructive game mechanics in EVE.
How is it destructive? What is functionally different between getting ganked by ten ships controlled by one player, or getting ganked by ten ships controlled by separate players, for example?
@@captainbenzie...hello Captain...how can I do multiboxing and what is the correct way of doing it?...you think you can please make a tutorial?..🤔
@@captainbenzie The difference is that the individual gets to keep everything they gank and whatever they lose is barely felt as it is spread across 10 characters whereas 10 separate players have to split loot but ship losses fall on the head of the loser which makes trying to convince 10 people that the activity is economically viable for 1/10th of the take damn near impossible while Johnny No-friends can gank like a champ without having to take it to a steering committee.
@@theamazingwesbrown3290 I agree with you... dunno, the end result is the same but the consequences are different
@@guyguyver7552 YES PLZ DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Play the game since 2011. Never multi-boxed - Just one account
Admire the skill it takes to control multiple vessels
Absolutely the same (except 2012). I don't even want to try it 😂
And yes, I am flying capitals. There is always a good friend willing to assist
i admire the subscription to that random discord that allows them to do that with any degree of competence.
The issue stems with how slow paced the game is. When I started doing missions, I pretty quickly noticed there is so much downtime that I could be doing this on two or three characters simultaneously. And that's what I do now.
And multiboxing will ensure that all future content remains that way.
CCP made the launcher with multiboxers in mind, they don't turn a blind eye to it, they encourage it.
its a bulk of their sales
They've encouraged it since like 06 when they started running Power of 2 discounts. Course at that time, multiboxing was literally being a person with an expensive internet connection and 2 physical computers to play on.
@@Nikarus2370 no it wasnt. i was mutli boxing on my gaming laptop in 2006 so a moderate desktop could run 3 or 4 clients at the time.
@@epeeypen Yes, and lets do a little math here. If someone wanted to multibox like a mining fleet of their own, say 10 toons... how many mid tier desktops would that have taken?
Additionally for a lot of people who PVP boxed, they did still run separate machines. Like IDK how expensive stuff was for you. But when I got into multiboxing, and wanted to be able to see 2 instances of the game up at once... it was just cheaper to buy another computer at Walmart and run copy 2 on that... than it was to buy a graphics card that would display 2 instances of the game well. (Also as I was also playing WOW at the time, I could multibox a pocket healer with the separate tower and avoid their anti-boxing rules)
@@Nikarus2370 i am unaware of anyone who did that. I have been playing for nearly 20 years. most people just got two monitors or even three monitors. you did not need multiple machines to run the game up to 3 or 4 clients. yes when it got into 10 clients you might need a beefer computer but not a super gaming computer or anything like that. now for wow you would for sure need two computers
One thing to keep in mind (because it was kinda hedged in the video) is that it's against the terms of service to multibox with alpha accounts. You can't even have an omega account and an alpha account running at the same time: if you have multiple accounts running simultaneously, they must be omega accounts. I realize this isn't an argument for or against multiboxing as an idea, but it's a critical piece of context that isn't obvious.
This ⬆️
Conscript your parents or siblings to mine for you, worked well for me 😂
That's funny because it let me do it ..... one account was on steam another was on the stand alone . Maybe it's because they were on different emails also .
@@MrHATING101 let's do, yes. Another thing when they check out the IP adress.
My Corp leader has 50 Omega accounts with 3 characters each. He's able to build entire Dreadnoughts single handedly.
That's amazing and I don't see it as a bad thing!
I do that with 6 accounts =)
I just built a rorqual actually.
If they have fun, sure 😂
WHAT ALYAN CAN DO THAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Multiboxing is good......botting is not.
Yes, this.
Correct. But also remove drone assist.
Brings multi boxing to a reasonable state
100% require all the clicks (NO SCRIPT)
Coming from someone who is in a small corp multi boxing helps us continue to do content on dead nights while we build numbers and recruitment, if your not using a way to make it so all your clients copy your key inputs, i see no issue with it, but seeing suicide gankers who is clearly key input setup, ya no that should be banned or dealt with accordingly.
The general need to multibox for Jump freighters is one thing that really put me off of Eve. I had thought to progress into them to help establish a remote industrial set-up and supply chain, but after training into them for a couple months I more fully learned that the process requires a second player to light up a beacon.
My playstyle was a bit too casual to justify getting another account up, and the issue with trying to find a reliable and trustworthy corp mate willing to abide by my schedule didn't seem to be too feasible. I think that character may have actually finished training to fly one, but I scrapped the idea of getting one.
Just having one played well is pretty tough, kudos to them. If they can handle it and they're paying for it, none of my business.
I'll be honest. If I could pull it off, I'd fly a pair of Logistics. Finding a likeminded logie wingman is not an easy task.
Love most of your videos and you have been a great teacher of Eve for me so far (I just started a few weeks ago).
It seems we have vastly different views on this particular topic though.
A apt metaphor: I choose to play Monopoly with friends. When my friend is handing out the initial game pieces, I ask for 4 pieces to move on the board instead of 1 piece. When asked why, I say that I will be playing the same game with 4 different pieces. At the end of the game, I win...but did I really win? Or did I just make the game less fun for myself and those around me?
There are reasons why multiboxing is a no-go in most MMOs.
This is a false analogy. EVE isn't a competition. It doesn't have rules about fairness.
It's a collaboration where players work together to achieve great things, where players work together to create an astonishing universe.
How is getting ganked by one guy controlling ten accounts functionally different to getting ganked by ten guys flying separately? Neither are fair. That's the point.
Multi box is about working alone. So if eve is about building an universe together, those two things are incompatible.
Also, who is going to be ganked more often. The guy who has 5 alts ready to tackle any aggression or lone miner trying to earn some isk?
There is so much against multi box I will have to compile a wall of text and then post here.
@@EilthalearinKheru again, so find friends. Your main issue here is that you're trying to solo an MMO.
@@captainbenzie no i do not. I am in a Corp, thank you. It still feels bad when you get killed by someone because he paid more. There is no way around that.
Maybe the real multiboxers are the friends we made along the way
I like your channel a bit better
@@MrHATING101 me too!! :) Loru is the best..
oh hiii love ur vids
Hey! You look familiar! ;)
I'd say Mining is disproportionately impacted by multi-boxing by the nature of Boosting. It's *much* more efficient to have 50 boosted Hulks mining a belt than it is to have 5 boosted Hulks.
As per the video, how is that different if it's a multiboxer or a corp of separate players?
Organization. The time spent of people getting together instead of one afker. The profits getting shared throughout a corp or fleet instead of concentrated on one person. Cooperation and fraternity of a group of people..
That is an understatement. Multiboxing can allow you to dominate disproportionately. How is it different. Imagine Multiboxing horde hoovering up all the veldspar in amarr space...or wormhole ratting every site so there is no content unless you go down the chain 7 systems (cause they have eyes everywhere).
@@captainbenzie Consolidation of resources for one thing. If 50 people are all mining the same resource that's 50 different sellers/producer. If *one* person is mining all the resources...
Also it's a force multiplier. Why does it have to be 1 player with 5 alts vs 5 players with 1 alt, when you could instead have 5 players with 5 alts? Especially considering that at least one person needs to be "sacrificed" to sit in a mining booster ship. Going from 1 Orca boosting 4 Hulks, to 1 Orca boosting *24* Hulks is huuuuge.
@@Done25. This is bordering a strawman argument. Go fly to any ore belt in HS and tell me how many people are sitting on that belt. I am a miner(and I multibox) and I can say 90% of the time NOBODY is touching those belts. the other 10% of the time it is just someone in a venture trying to mine up 2000ore for dailies. I would guess(cant prove obviously) that without multiboxing miners the economy would be quite brutal. Because there is not 5 other people wanting to dig. 1 person selling all the resources vs 5... silly argument because unless its ICE .. there isnt 5 other people willing to dig. Wont even bother with 24 hulk argument as I cant think of a belt of any resources that could sustain that. Let alone what your PC would have to look like to run so many.
I multibox 6 accounts for mining. I'll generally only run 2 for other PvE content though and most often it's something like my scanning character probes out a combat site and warps my PvE combat pilot to the site then follows him in to salvage the room while the combat toon moves onto the next one. Sometimes I'm I'll run 2 combat pilots for lvl 4 missions with a third account to salvage behind the first 2. I've tried running 2 missile boats and 2 drone boats, assisting the drones to the missile boats and orbiting them. The complexity of running multiple accounts in combat is MUCH higher than running multiple miners where all you have to do is dump into the orca and compress the ice/ore. That guy running 8 accounts in PvP and being effective is insane. Not many people can do that.
Is that you M1SF1T ?
@@davidnobular9220 nope.
@@risingangelttv Sorry...thought it might have been.
Yes, that's the way It is. We do things in repeat activities that repeats and nobody would do as It becomes boring.
AS long as they're not using something that copies inputs, that shit can get really busted I feel like.
So im going to speak out of my experience directly as a person whom has been attempting to play eve online without. Im also a relatively new player with little experience so theres that but this was my impression.
As i was exploring and starting esphecially doing exploration and wormholing the shear ammount of isk generation that would be possible had i just 1 more ship at my disposal without having to share the loot completely changed the dynamic of isk production to the point where i found it to be the approach i would have to take to be compedetive with all that entails for both my financial resources irl and ingame. I feelt in a large part that i had to multibox basically and fork up the irl money to train up an extra account, and i gotta be honnest it was quite of a mood killer.
I had a friend that does t6 abyssal in frigates using multiboxing.
He can get billions a day. It's crazy
It's a skill in and of itself
Thats a pretty high skill/stress activity though, I did lvl5s like that for awhile, its fun but I burn out.
I multiboxed Homefront ops sites for a week with 5 accounts. I will never do it again. It is rough to keep up with 5 ships in a dynamic environment while clicking until your mousehand hurts and you start to feel like taking a couple days off completely. Running abyssals after that felt so serene you wouldn't even believe. Having an alt to do scouting and such can be very handy but as you said, completely doable with a corpmate for example. I also prefer doing stuff with corpmates, it brings peolpe together and builds up the group. Nowadays I could say that I like creating content for other pilots more than doing stuff solo.
I tried to multi box 2 acount on logi and 1 dps it too much for my brain to handle lol
Groups that gate keep membership based around multi-boxing, generally do so with a specific purpose. They have established goals they are looking to fulfill as an entity. It doesn't mean they're elite, or that they are better than other players just because they have this policy. Why they have it is for a set purpose. Honestly it feels as though people are in their feelings over rejection, without giving thought as to why.
I personally multibox two accounts and I love it, but I also sometimes just play on one account if I want to relax because playing two accounts feels like balancing on a knifes edge, I have to have absolute focus to do it.
That's right. We only have 1 head to think. So playing the game with more accounts is an excellent practice toward higher IQ of a player.
Industry is basically meant for multiboxing. For starters, you are limited by the number of production/research/reaction lines per character, so buying a second account doubles your industrial capabilities. Hell, it more than doubles it when you factor in different skill specializations.
Invention requires science skills. Refining requires Reprocessing skills. Production requires... production skills. To max out these trees can take 1+ year each, so 3 accounts set up to specialize in one aspect of industry speeds that up. And if you're doing that might as well get a market alt focusing on the trade skills so you capture more profit versus selling to buy orders.
Then circling back to mining, the extremely low APM combined with how fleet boosts work essentially all but guarantees the activity scales well with multiboxing.
Ultimately, multiboxing exists because outside of PVP, EVE is passive and/or low APM and even within PVP, its far lower APM than is required of, say, a first-person shooter. The game design of EVE itself makes muotiboxing possible. Its not required, but there's a far smaller loss in per-character effectiveness compared to trying to multibox a FPS team, for example.
I can barely fly one lol.
Lmao same
I did the same thing with making a single character who can do and fly alot, but took years to create. I would also say that progressively we all start with one character, learning the game and deciding our path. Once comfortable with the game then you decide to either abstain and stick to the tried and true single account living; I'd honestly recommend living with a active corp, solo living is rough in the social sense. Nice to have friendly back up haha... Or how deep you'd like to multibox, I'd like to recommend that keep it small, It's so flipping nice to have cloaky eye's while making money or haul your stuff while you are out on a fleet. Requirements for multibox is pretty silly, I think it is a eager desire to further press power projection.
I don't have an issue with multiboxers. I have an issue with botters and people who use scripts or automation. And it really just comes down to the fact that I don't like cheaters. It can be hard to tell the difference sometimes but when you have 6-10 tools all with the same name minus some extra numbers and they all perform the same action at the same time... Your botting and unfortunately you're not going to convince me otherwise. And you're actually cheating. That I have a problem with. If you're running 3 tools performing different roles at the same time and you have the skill to do so efficiently without scripts and automation programs, we're cool and I honestly respect the hell out of that.
Yeah, scripting and automation is against the TOS and often results in bans. And CCP do ban a LOT of bots
Downside with multiboxing is see the amount of people logged in (30k) and then think about how many are multi boxed . Other trouble is some people are not that social and have trouble getting in corps and do stuff with the corp.
For industry, multi boxing makes sense. I run 6 accounts spread out on two monitors, 1 booster + 5 miners and it's non stop clicking and dragging stuff around. With one miner i would barely stay awake while getting 80% less done in the same time span. I also use those chars for blueprint research, copying and production.
To me mining with multiple characters is a form of min-maxing challenge; "how can i maximize my output in the most time efficient way". Sure, i could box 16 characters, but in order to be able to work that efficiently i would have to sacrifice mining speed [=yield] to slow things down. To me, 5 miners and max yield is the sweet spot, atleast when it comes to normal ore ... ice mining is different.
Ratting, abyssals and PVP is a completely different thing! I do that with one char at the time, alternating between two dedicated chars, since it requires a different level of focus compared to mining. I get how people would want to try and play [for example] two chars to get the upper hand, but outside mining it just means you do two things at the same times with 50% focus on each. I admire people who can pull it off, but it's not for me.
Horde encourages multi boxing to swell fleet numbers with additional rewards for fleet participation. But I’m not sure I’ve heard of anyone requiring it.
i fly with 14 toons (all Omega thru Plex) and mine belts solo in a couple of hours. Also do system patrol when there's no ice or rare ore to mine around. can't see any problem with multiboxing, the bots are.
Set up 4 accounts for pi and other indy processes, but reducing to one account now. Simply do not have time for the processes and never was capable of plexing any account. Multiboxing can make you independent yet lonely in space. Will dump all indy and switch to pvp now. Thoughtful vid. Awesome!
I don’t think that multi-boxing is an issue within itself for the exact reasons you provided. It can, however, make players feel like they are playing at a disadvantage unless they have multiple accounts/characters. Then you start getting the ThIs GaMe Is PaY2wIn comments.
Only if you see EVE as a competition rather than a collaboration of players making a universe. EVE isn't fair. It doesn't have rules like a competitive game. You can, and absolutely should, outnumber your enemies.
As an long time gamer I would say what is your definition of Pay2Win. The original way to define it was 2 people of equal skill start the same day. One has a credit card, one does not. Does the person with the credit card have an overwhelming advantage. In the case of EVE... based on that definition the answer is most assuredly YES. however I will say because EVE is so vast its not really a problem vs some of the old MOBO games where there was no way to escape "wallet warriors."
Completely agree, it is a game and it's meant to be enjoyed, not viewed as a chore. I find pleasure in mining azure plagioclase, just looking at my ship bringing in those rocks, and then selling them in the market. Most nights than not, that is all I do, in my one and only account.
I have 12 characters on 4 accounts running on 2 PCs with 4 monitors. I live in shattered wormholes.
Multiboxing for somethings in Eve is really helpful; mining, rolling, scouting.
I don’t mind that, but multi boxing past 3 in PVP (given the nature of Eve (cough logi)) is a bit concerning. I know it takes skill to multibox, but it should only be effective up to a certain point (especially in PVP). Cause whilst you expect newbros to lose a lot (if not all the time) PVP, making it “easy” to multibox makes it near unplayable for the newbros to have meaningful PVP encounters.
Cause it does make a difference if it’s 1 person in 8 ships vs 8 people in 8 ships. It takes time for a fleet to form, instead of one person just hoping online.
Making it harder for multibox PvP’ers whilst not affect miners and scouts I personally think is the right approach.
I much prefer to run DED sites in lowsec with multiple characters. It cuts the time down a lot; the more time you spend in space in a site, the more time you give someone a chance to form a fleet to catch you. And on top of that, it wards off smaller groups from messing with you.
Oh agreed that it has benefits, but equally, if I've got friends to help, then I don't NEED to multibox
I also just had a corrupted hard drive I wish you all the best luck in your gaming career ! :)
Thank you, it sucks but that's life haha
@@captainbenzie XD hahahaha I love the honesty :)
I got into multiboxing since my first second corp CEO ran upwards of 12 accounts for mining. I was just blown away how he could clear mining Anoms with either an Orca or Rorq before scarcity. I have 7 total accounts, 6 are Omega (I pay the subs for them at at least 3 mo at a time) and one Alpha for my Alliance Home Defense group. I like having the versatility of what I want to do and which of my alts to do it on if my main is not able or not good at it. I think it is good for the game as it keeps me playing it, instead of only being restricted to one account with a max of 3 characters.
I haven’t ever multiboxed but I think it would definitely make the game more engaging and it would get harder to manage with scale. Besides, miners harvesting ludicrous amounts of resources just makes the stuff I buy cheaper, so I’m not complaining.
I have one account that I keep omega on. I have a couple of others to do specific things I don't want to skill my main on. You made good points, and I feel it offers more content to hunt if you look at the other side of things in LS or NS
I'm not angry, I'm sad. When you look at that there are 30,000 players on the server your heart cheers up, then the cold truth: there are only 9-10 thousand of us, the rest are alts. Smaller market hubs are empty, almost abandoned, because alts don't buy anything. Rens, for example, used to be a place where the beautiful ISK could turn, but today, unfortunately, it is a wasteland.
Rens has always felt like a pointless market, it's 4J from the already established Hek...
I am also active with five omega accounts in the so-called multiplexing approach and do not think that this falls under "cheating". This approach is simply an alternative to gameplay mechanics. I can fulfil the requirements in the respective context and have much fun playing the game! There is an evident approach on the part of CCP to support this accordingly. And yes, controlling these accounts in challenging situations is quite intense and requires a certain degree of skill (which the game as a single-account-mmo has yet to plan for). Anyway, I enjoy the game and have no problem with my approach ...
This is a tough one. To me, multi-boxing is a force multiplier for sure. 10 people with 10 toons each flying together is now 100 people for example. I think it's ok for someone who wants to get a bit extra while mining, but I do think that it can be abused. Good video, and Eve forever!
EVE Online allows a challenge and Multiboxing with a EVE-O Preview is a challenge. I am playing the game since 2013 and I do have an advantage as I have EVE Online Characters with 100Mill skill points each in average. I can do a lot in the game but not that efficient as more players would with the same count of accounts in total. I do not have an advantage over more players as I have one head to think, 1 mouse and one keyboard.
It becomes a problem imho when sites meant to be run cooperatively by a group of players are run by multiboxers, I wouldnt care but in angel FW at times there where only multiboxers running the site for groups, and groups didnt bother to form.
Not bothered by them otherwise, they are great assets in fleets and on your side, its a different thing if it leads to everyone playing the game alone.
A lot of people make a big deal about keeping your name and not changing it because its "Where you been, built a reputation, etc" and multi-boxing seems to fly in the face of that argument somewhat. From personal experience, the Original Ever Quest has multi-boxing too, people will play whole Parties (6 Characters) by themselves. I think it just promotes playing by yourself instead of with others. People having the "Need" to multi-box mining maybe just means the game has too much grind perhaps.
The only time it's a problem is when people use special software to control all accounts at the same time, especially for combat situations. Other then that I approve of multiboxing.
As PvP can even take place in a corp, and I'm not just talking about a ship battle PvP, many don't even want to risk joining one and form their own corp and make their own fleets. It's a relatively safe way to avoid paying tax, plus opens other doors that only controlling a corp provides. For those that might say " it's an online game you're suppose to play it with others ", well you always are no matter what. Every time I put stuff on the market, or buy stuff I'm interacting with the player base. Many ways to be a part of the Eve community.
That's against the TOS and bans do frequently happen.
@captainbenzie Of course, but that doesn't stop people from trying in many MMOs.
I run five accounts and sometimes I use them to mine (one of them has skills for an Orca). Been playing since 2006 so I've got pretty skilled characters at this point. It's not that I don't have friends, sometimes I just want to do things on my own and challenge myself.
coming into this as an old elite dangerous player, and a current star citizen player who decided to finally try eve because it is a real game.... multiboxing is awesome.
and you are out of your mind if you think one person running 8 accounts is the same and 8 people individually. 8 people, focused, would 100% be better than 1 person doing 8 things. but there is the rub, focused. and not bored out of their minds.
multiboxing allows you to jump between different accounts when something interesting is happening and i love it.
I agree 😊 and welcome to EVE!
Lack of varied mid/high-end pve, especially in high-sec is what is killing eve, the triglavian invasion thing should have been made a permanent part of eve, that was pretty great, all we really have is incursions and abyssals, also the assymetric nature of pvp is a problem, I do not know solutions but gates that only allowed small ships and maybe overpowered npc's that ignored smaller ships in select areas was my thought, too bad Red vs Blue died, had ALOT of fun with that many years ago.
multiboxing often kills mmos in the long run. it destroys the aspect of community.
I don't see how. What is functionally different between getting ganked by ten ships controlled by one player, or getting ganked by ten ships controlled by separate players? And in EVE, players are still interacting with each other
more ships in space = more things for people to hunt. I disagree with destroying an aspect of the community.
@@716JayDee but multiboxers are providing more ships. That one guy is providing ten.
@@captainbenzie The difference is the FC of the 2nd group had to convince 9 other players to fly with him (and he's probably going to split the loot with them) and how coordinated they are as a group can vary wildly from "Are they even in the same fleet?" to functionally very similar to a multi-boxer.
Do you think the guy who attacked your station would be able to convince 7 other players to come with him to blow up something that takes a very long time drops a very small amount of money (that now has to be split 8 ways...)? Probably not, unless they had ulterior motives.
I have 3 accounts so I'm not dead against multing or anything, but I think it's disingenuous to say it doesn't impact the community at all, because it obviously does. It's better for the game and the community if people have to team up to leverage an amount of force greater than what a single pilot can, the entire game is effectively built on top of this concept, so it's kind of weird to see people just disregard that fact.
I do think you should just be able to have some drone ships on one account that can do stuff like mining and scouting, that guy you are paying to watch wormholes isn't going to do that forever, it's not exactly riveting is it? I'm sure he would be having a better time blowing stuff up with an alt hole watching, although I grant this is EVE PVE we are talking about so the difference isn't that big... 😆
@@memitim171 we've been attacked by several groups, including larger fleets of players coming after our stations too, so... Yes. I think people will roam and look for PvP in any form.
For some folks, the rewards aren't the point, it's the gameplay.
This is my entire point, multiboxing is literally NO DIFFERENT to a fleet of individual players. In fact, I would challenge anyone to actually tell the difference.
You can easily tell if they are run from the same machine. I'm sure ccp is competent enough to match host signatures.
Multiboxing kills the part of the game that is supposed to require community and teamwork. If CCP doesn't care about multiboxing then they should remove the requirement to have a second pilot. Get rid of cynos or change them. get rid of repairs. Let a single pilot just control a fleet of drone ships. Eve is and RPG, you have a fleet of pilots a tank a dps a healer its just that people dont really play like that (which is more of a failure of game design). If CCP wants people to multibox then they should just let pilots control little fleets.
You are missing the point that multibox stuff is stuff that is intended to be done with another pilot. Part of the intended challenge is to have to find another pilot to team up with. The intention of the game is to pilot a ship not an entire fleet.
If a guy multiboxing 8 ships wipes out a belt or system of all the good ore it can be prettty shitty for someone who is just solo mining. When almost no one is going to be able to get a handful of individual pilots to get together to mine
How would you even tell? How is getting ganked by one guy controlling ten accounts functionally different to getting ganked by ten guys flying separately?
It feels like people are getting "jealous" that others can multibox when they can't. Functionally, there's no difference. It doesn't affect those of us who don't multibox. Yet people get weirdly defensive on it.
@@captainbenzie I am only referring to mining in HS as that's all I do. But I think functionally there is a difference. Because miners multi-box more resources are harvested and thus the economy is stable. Looking around the EVE community there isn't a whole lot of people who enjoy mining. I think if tomorrow CCP stripped away multi-boxing the economy would absolutely look like a dumpster fire. If 50% of "miners" are multi-boxing divide the resources available by whatever you think the average is for accounts. Now... all those shiny T2 parts and ships.. triple or quadruple the price because the materials are scarce and more expensive. As far as "eating belts" IDK where this is happening but I am in the Genesis constellation and I can take you to almost any system and the belts are 95% untouched and devoid of players.
@@captainbenzie the fact that the odds of getting ganked by ten pilots is much less than the odds of getting ganked by one player with several ships. I am not really talking about getting ganked as much as I am talking about having to have a player scout for you or cyno or something.
@@captainbenzie Dude why do you keep repeating the same sentence in response to more and more answers about the negative sides multiboxing can have? As if multiboxing only comes into play in the area of ganking
Meanwhile, many have already written that coordinating 10 players is also a form of challenge that is completely eliminated for the multiboxer. Furthermore, a multiboxer can also completely undermine the chain in an economy. Where before 2-3 people are involved in an end product (and something falls off for everyone on the side) is thus also obsolete
@@VSJohnnyVulture So you don't think coordinating 10 accounts is a challenge then? You've obviously never tried it.
I use alts to help mine. Makes it go faster, especially since one can fly the orca. Keep in high sec and cloaked
No, simply because when there’s nothing going on in my alliance corp, I’m using an industry alt to make isk to help replenish my funds for pvp.
With alts & multiboxing I can dabble in different aspects of Eve that I wouldn’t otherwise tryout if it wasn’t possible without real other players.
It’s still very difficult to pvp while multi boxing multiple characters on grid.
Also many people don’t do more than 2 accounts, no one is rage quitting because of a few people that run 5+ accounts.
It’s often difficult to get a lot of people to go and fleet mine ore..
That sounds like a corp issue - we near constantly have mining fleets up. But that is congruent with my argument that multiboxing can help someone who doesn't have access to players to fly with. Either way, I don't see it as a negative
The game is gloriously satisfying and relaxing but also comedically tense and frustrating (me in my first Ibis in a wormhole getting blown up by an Ibis with 1 more missile - sharpens the mind). I will never multi-box, as the micro management feels like real life work that takes away the fun for me. If someone else wants to, then let them fill their boots. I personally like the time it takes me to mine or figure out what I can do on my own. Multi-boxing feels a bit like kicking the golf ball out of the rough whilst nobody's looking... I'M looking. "You do you, I'll be me. Whatever floats your missile boat!"... Now, off to stare at another nebula and chill for a bit 🤘
I never once multiboxed in Eve Online, however I like the idea that you can. I'm an alpha and enjoy Eve Online for what it is today, heck I got my first purposeful PvP kill since I started playing back when I made 10 different emails just to experience the 14 day trials. And I don't even own a PC, I play at my local library whenever I get the chance. Multiboxing is not necessary but why not have "fun" the way you want to in a sandbox, and not muddy the experience for others through "actual" cheats?
Exactly this
I agree. Multiboxing is not necessary or required to play Eve effectively and have fun. That said, I also don’t have a problem with it, with the possible exception of the incident you described where one player nearly single-handedly wiped out an entire fleet. That seems OP.
I'd like it if they made multibooxing illegal and banned those accounts but they wont because it lines their pockets and pumps up their numbers. If I get caught in Eve's game of cat and mouse, its fine thats part of eve. But some homie who catches me because he had 10+ accounts running at once? it just feels bad to even deal with that and the only recourse I have is to do it myself or just stop playing
How is getting ganked by one guy controlling ten accounts functionally different to getting ganked by ten guys flying separately?
Sounds like you fucked up and are trying to find something else to blame. I'd even argue it's HARDER to effectively multibox PvP, so if someone multibox ganks you, they're a damned good player.
@@captainbenzie Its functionally different because this is an MMO and in eve in specific is made special by its player to player interaction. So getting ganked by ten players in ten ships feels better than one guy in ten ships because there is a decree of community interaction at play there. When its two players going up against one another it just feels different. Not unlike stream sniping for example where yeah functionally nothing has changed but knowing the otherside has an unfair advantage takes away a lot of the enjoyment. I would compare it to buying things from the market. There is a value in knowing the things you are using come from other players not just an NPC vendor even though the outcome is the same.
And frankly I don't appreciate the aggressive tone you're taking because I can turn that right back around on you and say you're just a trash player who cant eek out a win unless you impossibly stack the odds in your favor and you are in your feelings about people calling you out about it while hiding behind it taking oh so much skill to have multiple windows open
@@waffleswafflson3076 Except he even says in his video he only uses 1 acct when he plays... As far as player to player interaction, hard pass. EVE has a pretty toxic/elitist playerbase. Frankly I am amazed CCP allows some of the stuff to go into chat unchallenged. Homophobic, racial, you name it slurs.
@@chiisaiinu7327 Really? Have you not watched any of the streams on Twitch? Some of the most generous and friendly people are giving out free stuff every single day. You have two help channels in the game where people sit day in and day out to help new players. You have Mike with his Magic Bus roaming newbie areas to hand out free stuff to players. In other words, if the players around you are toxic, you're around the wrong type of players.
Considering how CCP is in charge of their game, and are very assertive in continuing to make it profitable, they will do what they want. Which is to make money. They are clearly making money from this, and until this practice becomes a problem for CCP it will continue unabated.
At the end of the day CCP is a business, and the purpose of business is to make a profit, and as much profit as possible.
Like a certain troubleshooter said, " Multiboxers are either a benefit or a problem, if they're a benefit they're not my problem".
For me Multiboxing entirely kills the immersion of the game. As an MMO Sandbox I have always imagined MY character with his own job/identity in the universe doing his thing that I trained/equiped for, and avoiding or engaging the challenges he can in this dangerous environment. The idea of a big scary universe is so much more amazing when you are an individual there being part of a big picture. Bigger challenges would require people to search for groups to do. Multiboxing just makes me feel that I'm minmaxing a silly meaningless videogame.
Thing is, in EVE, you are an immortal demigod. We have characters in the lore, like the Broker, who were known to run multiple clones simultaneously. Ironically, multiboxing is technically supported by the in-game lore.
If a player chose to engage all the efforts required to be a multiboxer he totally deserves its advantages!
Multi-boxing is AWESOME and has been a part of the game since the beginning for several very good reasons...
It really shows how most people playing the game today are relatively new at it and as a result fail to understand and appreciate how much easier the game has become. I've been playing EvE-O for over 15 years now (off and on), so I am a bit of a bittervet at times. I have had a double digit (just over 10) amount of accounts since the very beginning of 2009 and back when the economy of Iceland caught fire and their government was contemplating burning buildings and people just to stay warm, I used to joke that I was single-handedly rebuilding the Icelandic economy with my multiple subscriptions. Back when I started, NOT ONLY WAS THERE NO ALPHA, but you had to train "Learning Skills" to help your character learn faster. People complain that most of the skills are "locked behind a paywall"...NOPE NOPE NOPE...Now, with Alpha Clone state, you can get a multi-month experience of the game FOR FREE! The main reason EvE-O is still around is because they never fully went F2P as so many MMOs did (and almost all of them faded because they had to start a Cash Pay shop to sustain themselves).
There has ALWAYS been encouragement to have multiple accounts built into the game design. We didn't used to have MCTs. You could have three characters per account but only ONE could train at a time for the majority of the time that this game has existed. This fact alone led a lot of players to have multiple accounts so as to have multiple toons training simultaneously to do different activities. What you can now facilitate with only one account, training-wise, used to take three!
True multiboxing is using more than one PC like we used to have to do in the "before times". That being said, modern PCs can usually handle more than one instance being open, but a lot of games block such a thing at the launcher level. I have played numerous MMOs over the years and have pretty much always had multiple accounts. If I had to ACTUALLY multibox, I usually only had two accounts and at most three as three PCs with three keyboards and three mice and three monitors was my personal limit. It allowed me to run content by myself when friends weren't online without relying on the unreliability that is a PUG. IYKYK! I have a plethora of valuable social skills and I'm not entirely anti-social. I just, more often than not, don't really feel like being forced to deal with other people in my leisure time. I like the option of doing whatever I might want to do in the game without spending 3 hours in the form-up because drunken corpmates want to measure e-peens and debate fleet compositions and waste my playtime.
Now to try to clarify the multiple accounts logged in at once issue, You CAN have multiple Omega accounts logged in from the same PC (providing the PC can handle the load). You CANNOT have more than one account logged in with an Alpha account, even if you have 30+ Omega accounts, only one Alpha account logged in by itself (per PC). Yes, if you wanted to run 30 PCs, you COULD run 30 Alpha accounts simultaneously. Most lower mid-end PCs can run at least four Omega accounts simultaneously, you can Alt-Tab or run it windowed if you have a big enough monitor or awesome eyesight... In the end, it depends on how YOU want to play YOUR game and what time/energy/resources you can and will commit. Just because YOU can't, won't or don't want to doesn't mean everyone else should be limited or have to play the game the way YOU want them to! If you choose to only play ONE character, that's your desired playstyle. If you want to have several characters across several accounts, that too is a personal choice. If like me and a few others, you want to live as a non-recovering alt-o-holic and have so many toons across so many accounts that you don't even know all of their names and the simple act of password management becomes a mini-game all so you can build your own little kingdom and FINALLY, after a decade and a half, stop relying on others to do so...DON'T!!! Just don't do it! You'll shoot yer eye out kid!! Seriously, it is a horrible idea that will take parts of your soul to even begin to implement! But, if you decide NOT to build your own kingdom, you may perpetually wonder IF YOU COULD HAVE...
I think the definition you're looking for is MMO spreadsheet submarines in space 👍
I have to say that I agree with you. I pay for two accounts right now, the most I´ve payed for is three accounts that I used for mining. I don´t see it as a problem but as soon as you´re using some sort of script that for example loots for you... That´s a big problem.
That's also illegal by the TOS and does result in bans
Id say before they removed the input broadcasting it was very bad for the game. Now multiboxing pvp is an actual skill in itself, same with fitting pvp ships that are able to be used 2 or 3 times at once, minimal micro.
10 multiboxed Algos with drone assist in your plex I would not say is good.
@@Zetasphere 10 multiboxed algos will lose to 10 people solo boxing any t1 destroyers. I love the multiboxers in faction war because I can solo like 4 at a time and they drop like NPCs
Agreed. The example of someone multiboxing 10 PvP ships simultaneously without using macros and effectively ganking people is laughable to me. There are so few players who could even have any reasonable expectation of pulling off such a feat. For PvP purposes (or higher level combat missions), if I get above 3 accounts simultaneously then I feel the difficulty and complexity of my efforts gets exponentially higher really quick and I will probably expect to lose my ship(s). I do remember when they started REALLY trying to put an end to the input broadcasting and macro scripting around 2010. There was a guy who found a clever mechanical way to send 10 individual mouse clicks simultaneously (actually 12 IIRC) and posted pics and a video of his setup and was unbanned as a result of the evidence. Dude had set up a contraption with wood strips, wires and other stuff from the local hardware store and, after meticulous calibrations every time he started to play and a few adjustments mid-game, he could move all his separate mice at once and also click all the mice or keyboards at once. Because he was using a mechanical means and not any kind of software or KVM routing/switching, CCP allowed it but I think only did so knowing most players wouldn't take such a hard route to that style of multiboxing gameplay.
I do partly agree with you, when it comes to boring repetitive tasks such as mining I wouldn't see multiboxing as an issue. But for PVP combat its a different story. As previously discussed not everyone has friends to play with, so its not fair that 2 people on the same situation will basically be on completely different leagues just because one of them is controlling 5 ships at the same time (Even if not as effective as 5 players doing so). Wereas if that person where soloing like you are, then it could be a much more fairer fight. Combine that with the fact that most multiboxers WILL use scripts or be botting to be able to control such numbers, it makes being jumped by 8 scripted multiboxer Vexors all that more fun!
EVE isn't fair though. It has never tried to be. There is nothing in the game that encourages a fair fight. Nullsec blocs don't reach out and count each others ships to make it fair?
I like multiboxing. It allows me to set up lowsec mining operations and have a few alliance mates join in and suddenly we have a big fleet of all kinds of ships and it's fun :)
If i was solo flying a Porpoise it would be the same but that way I can make some ISK as well and enjoy it more and it feels like a bigger fleet :)
It also allows for key roles in a fleet that would be Impossible to fill for a small group.
I think multiboxing to some extend can be really good for the Game. The only issued I see is that some mechanics Like homefronts or fw have horrible game designs where multiboxers drive people out kinda...
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: is It depends on how many accounts you are multi-boxing. If your running 2-5 without a program assisting with managing the other accounts I think its fine. It's those who are using programs to assist with managing multiple accounts to pvp creates the problem. I say this because they usually use them to gank, High or low sec, to kill a target they wouldn't normally be able to kill with the end goal to collect the loot to profit off of. Trying to mentally hold what 3 accounts are doing at once is hard, yet there are those who run 10-40 accounts with minimal mistakes which is a good sign a program is being used to tab between them and assign commands to them.
My only grump of Multi boxing is the fact how quickly they can afford things. But more risk more reward i guess
Exactly, and that they've got multiple accounts to pay for and maintain.
I have 5 accounts and use them to do homefronts if there is no fleet looking to do them in my area - recently doing raids I find I can easily complete them in 3.5 minutes giving 2.5minutes between sites for travel to achieve 10 sites per hour as a minimum - 170m per hour is pretty good doing them with 4 buddies, but in the absence of that I find 850m/h makes up for having nobody to talk to 😂😂
As a new player, I have 20 yrs to catch up on
my old jspace corp the ceo has 18-20 active accounts. most ppl... say 70%.. in null blocks everyone has at least 3-8 accounts. Its the norm, if you aren't doing it find friends who are. :)
I've actually played multiple accounts in WOW, not in Eve, though. I can totally see why someone would want to do it, and his life isn't fair... I don't see th3 issue, and i think if CCP has an issue with it, they will stop it. Interesting video, I don't really see the issue with multiboxing. It seems fine. It's not cheating, really. The person is paying for the accounts they should play the way they want. I didn't do arenas in WOW I just tossed buffs and heaks at a new Alt I was building up. I was not good enough to do an instance, though there were low-level instances I could run with my warlock solo.
"if you can log in and have fun who cares" I care, the person that runs content with other 4 real people having our content stolen by a single person trying to make payroll to keep feeding their alts (this is very prominent on homefronts and incursions)
How would you even know? This genuinely reads like jealousy. What's different to having "your content stolen" by five individual players, and why would that be okay comparatively??
I'm an on and off player, but I listen to the talk. And this is a far sight better activity than people have practiced in the past.
Just out of curiosity, which incursions are you referring to? I didn't know anyone boxed the smaller ones, didn't think it was worth it.
Total agreement with you, i am a single account player who plays with corps that are multi boxing mining. They are more than happy to boost me off their multi boxed orca. I enjoy bad mouthing a player who i know is the multi boxed alt of my mate lol eg telling the new head of the corp the last ceo was a lot better when i know they are the same person, i will one day try multi boxing not for the content it allows but just to see if i can control 2 caracters at once, and i dream of ripping apart a whole belt or ice field on my own lol
My personal opinion is multiboxing isn’t a inherently bad thing. It’s just the lengths that people go to for it is the part I worry about, have 2-3 characters active at a time is fine, but having 10-15 man fleets where it’s just one person is a bit absurd imo. I guess I should also point out that I don’t really care if it’s a huge mining fleet. But PvP fleets is where I worry more simply because there is a lot more coordination between the characters because it’s one person.
interesting they only place i can think off where you are required to have more then one acount in a group is when you doing stuff with capitals and it less a "you need this." and more a " you gonna need this so if ya gonna be in the sub group you need on" witch for capitals its just. " you need a alt that can light a cyno "
theres groups tend to be the pvp group for a corp / alliance the corp / alliance inset gonna say. no you cant join they are just gonna say. " well if you dont have these alts we suggest you dont go into this type off capital."
I have the most fun with 1 character. I have a second one i Plex from time to time of i want to make some extra isk, or Boost. But im in a Corp where we have mining fleets, so its fun solo aswell.
Hey Captain, as a new player been enjoying your content though find this video a little surprising.
It sounded like your perception is that a good degree of the criticism of multiboxing is from new players (genesis of the video and whatnot), so I guess let me throw my hat on the pile...I think I'm mixing my metaphors. That aside, I didn't hear a good argument aside from explaining that one doesn't *have* to multibox and you enjoy the game without multiboxing.
My expectation regarding multiboxing in Eve Online:
* It's clunky and awkward to do
* The game does not natively support it
* It gives some degree of greater player power in certain circumstances
I'll be honest, and maybe it was your intent, but I took exception to your closing argument. It seemed counter to your point up until that point - don't let others tell you how to have fun -> but also, you should be having fun by flying spaceships in a cool universe and not worrying about optimizing to the Nth degree. The inconsistency wasn't the only thing, it's also that I enjoy the optimization problem many game provide and I suspect in the Eve Online universe, that's a common trend.
There's a fairly seminal quote from Soren Johnson: "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game.". I know youtube disables links but feel free to google the quote if you're interested, www.designer-notes.com/game-developer-column-17-water-finds-a-crack/ . The message is fairly straightforward; game developers have to put restrictions on game systems or put rules in place that discourage gameplay loops which risk the fun of their players, because when players stop having fun that's when they stop being players. I've never seen multiboxing fall onto the healthy side of that equation.
nice video, good content, keep doing it!
Thank you!!
EVE is a game with a community-driven economy and community-driven politics in the form of territories, which in turn provide access to special forms of mining, rats, etc.
ISK are a massive form of resources. They (sometimes) determine the quality and quantity of ships you can send, for example, in the battle for the things mentioned above.
And yes EVE is not fair, but at least the most rudimentary "laws" should still exist, because at the end of the day it should be and remain a game.
If 1 person has so much impact on the above points, in my opinion, it gets out of hand ... I also find it somewhat questionable to find a method in an MMO that promotes not having to interact with other players.
I don't see multiboxing as preventing interaction. Those fleets are still gankable etc
been in eve since release - boxing has been present for a long time and it is around but i have barely noticed - just play or not
I played EvE very recently, only for a short time. Hearing about the normality of multiboxing made the "everyone matters" feeling I got from the stories that drew me into this game seem like either a farce or a distant memory.
A fleet of ten, versus a guy controlling ten... I'd normally put my money on the multi players. Multiboxing allows players to access content that they may not have the circle around them to otherwise access. It's still ships in space. I don't see how a multiboxer flying ten ships is any different to a fleet of ten players.
@@captainbenzie I think the economy is more the conversation. The universe being populated by robots is also pretty miserable for immersion.
@@lefty8925 But it's not populated by robots though. It's still one guy having to control each account, each ship, separately. If anyone is capable of doing that with 5, 10, 20 at a time - all the power to them. I have a hard time coordinating two ships in one go.
@@hiraldosternflyer7112 I was speaking colorfully. I don't mean to imply that they're automated or something. I mean to say that for every moment a ship isn't actively being piloted it has effectively become an automaton.
I'd like to know when I stare out at another ship, maybe send it a message, that it is another person escaping out to some unknown adventure.
Instead it's the extension of one guy with a fleet that he's using to game the system on account of being enabled by a money-motivated developer who theoretically only stands to gain from it. This is the developer's fault. Enable people and they will do it.
It might be hard, it might take skill, but that doesn't make it right or better for the game.
I haven't dedicated the same amount of time as guys like maybe you and Benzie so really I can only speak from the feelings these ideas gave me as opposed to some truly informed in-game experiences.
The way this sort of thing affects the economy also felt demotivating for the fact that one guy can provide more than 500% the resources I could ever hope to despite an equal dedication to whatever fight I'm in.
Steroids are banned for a reason in sports. It hurts sportsmanship and creates a culture where if you can't beat them you join them. A pvp minded game like Eve? One that organizes people into corporations that compete? You can bet your butt that if you want to stay competitive that multiboxing needs to be in your repertoire. I'm an outsider and I feel like I can say that confidently. Input from you or Benzie about that would be appreciated.
Lastly, it seems like this issue is systemic. Even if somehow there was some change of heart on the part of the developers you are literally robbing those people you previously enabled and that's simply not okay.
It seems like it demotivates people from wanting to join, along with RMT. That's the real issue. Adjust Eve's subscriber count for how many people are multiboxing and we might see curious numbers.
@@hiraldosternflyer7112 Strange. I left a crazy long comment but it's gone.
Greatly summarized Benzie, you left nothing for me to add
Thank you ☺️
I think people have a problem with botting not multiboxing. I'd be very impressed to find a person using 8 accounts killing folks perfectly without using some sort of bot program streamlining all of the individual actions needed. If a person is actually multiboxing with 8 accounts more likely they're mining which doesn't require a huge attention span to do that correctly. Multiboxing is good for folks that don't want to wait for that 1 character to learn scanning, mining, manufacturing, and combat to do all of those things. The game does reward folks who are willing to use multiple accounts to make specialized characters around those themes. If that person is mutiboxing 8 accounts to run combat sites without a bot program, then I'll tip my hat to that person cuz that is a challenge to do that without losing ships. Even more so if that person is trying to pvp like that.
I agree with you, but the comments on this video show that it's not botting, it is genuinely multiboxing that upsets many 😂
I consider multiboxing as part of the game. I regularly tried (in vain) to mine ice when the 25 multiboxed hulk miners appeared in the belt. They all warped in simultaneously and then split up and then iinstantly started mining, obviously using a script to spread out his hulks. The field didn't last long after that lol. He was reported numerous times but nothing has ever been done about him. I myself used to run an Orca with three hulk pilots and dabbled in making stuff until PA doubled the monthly cost. for the UK. now i rarely bother logging in as it's no longer fun for me.
I'm super new but definitely a veteran MMO player and multiboxing pretty much killed wow and every 2 or 3 days I log on I'll be there with my one venture and see 10 others afk mining probably watching reruns of Seinfeld why they do it
Due to my TZ and my alliance's TZ content I cannot solo is content that functionally does not exist (at least 5 days out of 7 with there being some overlap on the weekends) so I've never done a FOB/Stronghold site or any of that Home Front nonsense. Or the mining events. Did some incursions stuff a few times with corp/alliance and found it deadly dull. That being said I do have 2 accounts but it's for having cloaky eyes for the reasons people have cloaky eye's and a semi-afk miner for when I don't. Pirate insurgencies are completely overrun with swarms of multi-boxers which really sucks as a solo hunter (except when I can get a smart bombing cruiser in amongst an algos drone swarm which is very LOL). So multi-boxing miners - could care less. Multi-boxing insurgencies a vile practice done by the scum of the universe. Your mileage may vary.
Multibox + stealth bomber
I just started this week so it’s all new to me lol
When i see 20k+ "players" online, my first tought is "oh 5k people playing"
if you are mainly miner and industrialists, it makes no sense to sit in a belt with only one miner, when 3 miners makes you 3x more isk for same time spent. your also bit off when it comes to the 3 toons for doing mining, reprocessing and so on, beacuse the skill needed to make you good miner, are also the exact same skills needed that give you good reprocessing skills.
considering the average industrialist and miner run 3 accounts i belive, if that wasent the case, it would drop the amount of ore mined by atleast 70%, and if that was the case, what would you think would happend to all mineral prices? they would sky rocket, and make everything in the game exceptional expensive. for multiboxing in PVP, you can be somewhat efficient if you multibox 2 ships with the same role, butthat'ss also the limit for 98% of the player base. so having 1 guy trying to multibox 8 toons should be a walk in the park to kill compared to going up ageinst 8 ships controlled by 8 different players
Theoretically, but that's not always the case as that multiboxer showed us! But yeah, this agrees with my point that one player on ten accounts is the same as ten players on one account each.
You SAY Eve knows and are on top of script using multiboxers; but that is not my experience - I regularly see fleets of 30+ Marauders running multiple event sites across a cluster of systems, all the 3-ship groups are doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time in each site - I have lurked, watched and reported.
I have looked at the employment history of many of the players in this bot Corp, and they all joined on the same day, and all joined a newly created player corp on the same day; despite starting in different starter corps.
I spent over a week lurking, and AT BEST, there were 3-4 humans operating 155 accounts across 24 hours of the day.
I reported the entire Corps, and when Eve refused to do anything, reported individual accounts; I got over 50 banned, but the Bot Corp had fresh accounts up and running within days; all skilled up to operating Golems.
Eve Devs cannot NOT know what is going on; but they wont do anything unless a player brings a specific and provable report.
BTW, all accounts being used to multibox HAVE to be Omega if you are using a single PC; although you could get around this by using physically separate PCs, with one account on each.
Common misconception in gaming: "I see cheaters so the Devs aren't doing anything"
Reality is, bans happen in mass blocks. To ban individually and constantly is insanely high effort and makes it easy for scripters and botters to react with updates.
Instead, you do a ban sweep. And CCP does this. And it works. Yes, the botters eventually come back, but it hits them in their wallet more.
@@captainbenzie I have seen many legit multiboxers, running as many as 12 ships; but when you have 30+ Golems all called "Golem", how do you effectively control them without illegal scripts?
Not even "Golem1, Gollem2" etc, just "Golem".
If you aren't multiboxing, you aren't playing the game right.
I say this as someone who used to say that I would never multibox. The longer you play, the more accounts you acquire.
12 years of playing, one of the largest content creators in EVE, but I'm "not playing right" because I've never multiboxed?
Bro that's the point. It's not necessary and it's weird to make such a big thing of it. It's beneficial, sure, and it can replace the need to have people in a fleet. But some of us are lucky enough to have those players.
@@captainbenzie I'm not saying there aren't some outliers, but in general the more you grow in the game, the more you typically want/need to use other accounts.
When I moved to nullsec, I had one account. After a short while of running a vni for isk, I decided that I wanted to spin up another account for more isk generation. The second account became a emergency cyno alt when my main got into a carrier (thanks to cyno changes). Some time after that I decided that I wanted to run BLOPs fleets, which to do so efficiently would require a couple of other accounts for hunting targets. Then I moved to J space.. oh boy.. I've added a 5th account for boosting and additional PI. I've also got 2 other alpha accounts.. one for seeds, and one for wormhole rollers. Do I need half of that really? No.. but if I didn't my gameplay would be affected in ways which I would see negatively.
In comparison to some of my other corp mates, the accounts I have is laughable. A few of my corp mates run entire eos fleets consisting of 15+ accounts.
Do you know how many accounts Olmeca Gold had when he was operating in delve?
You can absolutely play this game with one account depending on your play style. We don't want to turn anyone away from EVE by telling them that they have to be able to afford multiple accounts to play obviously. The depth of the game already does a good job of deterring players.. I mean you could write a book on solo pvp alone. :D
If I had a set up where I can confidently run 3+ chars at the same time without frying my cpu, I would xD
I think the problem comes from as was mentioned the preception of multiboxing.
It's assosicated with goldfarming bot accounts in most games as such there will be a large negative view towards it.
Now I personaly think having 8 accounts doing mining or a full combat fleet to be over the top, but hey its not against the rules.
I have multiboxed 2 accounts years ago when I was active in WH, keeping a scout on the hole, so I guess I could say having a few accounts running at the same time is "ok"?
If someone where to run like 16+ accounts at once then ye id probebly dissaprove, maybe it should be a certain limit on how many accounts you run? But thats another debate im not gonna bother with as ill just enjoy the content on youtube instead XD
RPG = Rocket Propelled Grenade.
Now I'm really worried ......
I have 6 accounts, 4 of them are omega level. I really enyoj my PvE experience. :-)
i think the devs of eve onlnie tos says as long as your not usenig any bots cheats or ai its bacly tascly alowed but your giong to need to pay extra for the extra omega aconuts for that bescue only omega accouts allowed for multiboxing as a way to keep it more in line. well for now anyway untill it gets abused to much but its ahsnt goten to that pont yet.
aslo ccp had allready being saying that for like a very long time allready so multiboxing aint going away anytime soon.