"I just installed new parts so I'm going to test them on my first run by heading straight toward those trees and power lines"..... balls of steel.. haha
I really enjoyed the testing session. we can see the full extended flaps shaking under the air pressure and I like the sound of the engine slightly roaring when you adjust the lowest landing speed ...Pure experimental Aviation.
That is a big difference in landing speed...so now will the Cub perform with Bushwacker? Love them both but the Cub is my favorite...guess I'm just a Cub guy...
Love the details in conversation and how you explain everything you’re doing… sorry about the failure on flap hangers and reinforcing but crazy interesting how u just go out and try! Your wife must be so super understanding and trusting!;-) lucky to have…..but it’s appreciated by a lot of us followers!!! And the Devil is in the details… again thanks for being detailed!!!!!
Not a big high tech guy but learning more everyday really enjoy your 360 videos keep your videos coming always something to learn do you know if Kirk ever built a 4 place cub setup the way you did the Maule ?
@Mauleguy was curious about the airspeed indicator issue as well. Was showing you at 0 when you were saying 30-40 mph. Does this have to do with the pitot tube or maybe something else? Look forward to hearing your reply if you've figure it out. Nice video!
Good video. I'm just learning. Curious about the overall effect of such flaps on lift should you encounter any unforseen circumstances. They look pretty much like airbrakes. But if you had to increase your energy suddenly, you'd have to be able to recognize and decrease your flaps quickly - to create more lift? You have a good knack for engineering on a "shoestring". 🙂
We bent the same useless hanger blocks as well . This is on a two hanger flap from Javron Changed them out to the certified ones . They went right into to Javron hangers . Now no issue . Yes we were watching the flap speeds. I don’t know why they even supply the small ones. The experimental kits should have the same parts as the certified ones .
Sir, do you produce flaps parts for Keller? Also, you are one good pilot. Very impressive. I have seen many of your videos, and man, do you have nerves! I would like to install fowler flaps on my Bellanca Scout. Is this something I could order from you, Sir?
I machine some of the parts for Airframes Alaska. I am guessing they would build you a set. You would have to come up with the hinge point part that attaches the flaps to the wing. I don't know what your attach point looks like but it can probably be done with some backyard engineering.
hy, nice deflection of the flaps, nice flying and parts machining! i see that you used stewart systems for the fuselage covering (inside camera shows blue stripes), did you use all the products (cement, UV block filler, paint) of the system or only the cement?
That was great!! Thank you for doing real world testing. On your take offs how much flap do you pull. I have the Pstol flaps at a max of 50. If I pull full flap at take off it feels like to much drag.
On take off I usually only pull my first notch in the Super Cub maybe into to the second for a few seconds then back to the first and then I get them off as soon as I can.
Where are you based out of I heard Columbia! I’m up by tumwater but fly out of apex up by Bremerton would love to meet up some time maybe go for a ride?! I own a Cherokee 235 on some bigger tires but would like to get into experimental/ more bush and tail stagger stuff
I don't think they are blanking out but they probably do disrupt the airflow somewhat. At low speeds (under 40 mph) I notice some feedback in the stick which I did not have with the stock flaps.
So I have not looked at that spot. My guess is that it is tidal (could be underwater) and very soft other times. I probably would not land it since it is right on the coast and landing the beach is not legal. I don't like to have to deal with red tape and there are plenty of places to land where no one is going to see me and I know I am not going to have to deal with any officer. Copalis is not too far away from there and it is legal (29miles North).
Aha! First. Greg there was another dude with a Zenith that says his runway is shorter. I think your approach is still more sketchy though. ua-cam.com/video/qGA0XErC-hY/v-deo.html Edit: Jesus are those flaps 90 degrees deflected? sure looks like it. I thought my 182 with 40 degrees was excessive.
@@mauleguy Here's mine Greg, a buddy with his Maule makes it look easy, it's even easier with my RANS S-7S.ua-cam.com/video/bwpVWDk2txc/v-deo.html You win "the most messed up home strip" by far! Strong tailwinds are my only issue.
I’m not sure I understand how you can put that much more force on the wing and spar. Considering you bent a stiffener Could you speak to that. Thanks for the video.
Well the spar is not an issue and the false spar there is a beef up doubler kit that is built for the certified version which passed all the testing. I ordered and will put on the doubler kit when I get it. Although the certified version was not tested with 70 degrees of flaps I know the engineer personally and he says it is not an issue. I knew going into the change that the stiffener was the weak link. It is kind of like putting 450 hp to a Dana 60 rear end and not beefing up the drive line or the axles are 31 spline and really you need 35 spline. The housing and gears in the Dana 60 are plenty strong but the axles are too small so you break them. This is an easy fix.
"I just installed new parts so I'm going to test them on my first run by heading straight toward those trees and power lines"..... balls of steel.. haha
Mauleguy
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I have been flying the flaps for a few weeks. Just added more deflection. You don't use full deflection for take off anyway
@@mauleguy .. ahhh ok ok. But still have balls of steel hehe
I really enjoyed the testing session. we can see the full extended flaps shaking under the air pressure and I like the sound of the engine slightly roaring when you adjust the lowest landing speed ...Pure experimental Aviation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad you got it sorted out! Those slatted flaps are serious! love to see Bumble Bee in action! LOVE THAT CUB!!
:))
That is a big difference in landing speed...so now will the Cub perform with Bushwacker? Love them both but the Cub is my favorite...guess I'm just a Cub guy...
Yes the landing speed is just about the same within a mile per hour at touchdown
Love the details in conversation and how you explain everything you’re doing… sorry about the failure on flap hangers and reinforcing but crazy interesting how u just go out and try! Your wife must be so super understanding and trusting!;-) lucky to have…..but it’s appreciated by a lot of us followers!!! And the Devil is in the details… again thanks for being detailed!!!!!
Thanks so much!
Not a big high tech guy but learning more everyday really enjoy your 360 videos keep your videos coming always something to learn do you know if Kirk ever built a 4 place cub setup the way you did the Maule ?
Great video, Thank you for sharing.
Take care,
Be safe.
Really enjoyed watching, very interesting. Thanks for posting
Glad you enjoyed it
@Mauleguy was curious about the airspeed indicator issue as well. Was showing you at 0 when you were saying 30-40 mph. Does this have to do with the pitot tube or maybe something else? Look forward to hearing your reply if you've figure it out. Nice video!
I was watching your airspeed indicator and wondering about it, then you mentioned it. Curious to find out what is causing that. Cheers from Winnipeg.
Good video. I'm just learning. Curious about the overall effect of such flaps on lift should you encounter any unforseen circumstances. They look pretty much like airbrakes. But if you had to increase your energy suddenly, you'd have to be able to recognize and decrease your flaps quickly - to create more lift? You have a good knack for engineering on a "shoestring". 🙂
We bent the same useless hanger blocks as well .
This is on a two hanger flap from Javron
Changed them out to the certified ones .
They went right into to Javron hangers .
Now no issue .
Yes we were watching the flap speeds.
I don’t know why they even supply the small ones.
The experimental kits should have the same parts as the certified ones .
Totally agree
Presumably you have investigated the stall characteristics and speed… so how do you set your approach speed? Stall margin or AOA?
Sir, do you produce flaps parts for Keller? Also, you are one good pilot. Very impressive. I have seen many of your videos, and man, do you have nerves! I would like to install fowler flaps on my Bellanca Scout. Is this something I could order from you, Sir?
I machine some of the parts for Airframes Alaska. I am guessing they would build you a set. You would have to come up with the hinge point part that attaches the flaps to the wing. I don't know what your attach point looks like but it can probably be done with some backyard engineering.
Hi Greg. Did the nose point down any more with the increase flap?
no, you fly slower so it just becomes same attitude as you fly slower. No trimming required once you start to bring flaps on.
Need to do some investigation on what the stiffner mod looks like. Well done on sorting that out.
hy, nice deflection of the flaps, nice flying and parts machining! i see that you used stewart systems for the fuselage covering (inside camera shows blue stripes), did you use all the products (cement, UV block filler, paint) of the system or only the cement?
Nope that is Superflite glue, I used Superflite primer and paint
Greg, wondering if you loose any percentage of rudder control with the full 70+ degrees. Seems like it blocks a little airflow over the tail & rudder.
Nope, rudder seems effective
That was great!! Thank you for doing real world testing. On your take offs how much flap do you pull. I have the Pstol flaps at a max of 50. If I pull full flap at take off it feels like to much drag.
On take off I usually only pull my first notch in the Super Cub maybe into to the second for a few seconds then back to the first and then I get them off as soon as I can.
Hey where are you flying? You said you were heading down to the Columbia, are you in Washington/Oregon? I’d love to come out and see you fly sometime
yep, Lac Center, WA.
Where are you based out of I heard Columbia! I’m up by tumwater but fly out of apex up by Bremerton would love to meet up some time maybe go for a ride?! I own a Cherokee 235 on some bigger tires but would like to get into experimental/ more bush and tail stagger stuff
La Center WA.
That's quite unfortunate. Glad it was on the ground!
Im expecting this guys nextvideo to show VTOL.
Kewl video and explanations. Shit happens man. But you overcame it. Loved the split screen. It was a good stress test with the wind v calm day.
Whats the flaps on your Maule? Modified?
It has really long PSTOL flaps also (114" long)
Do you notice the flaps blanking out the elevator at all ?
I don't think they are blanking out but they probably do disrupt the airflow somewhat. At low speeds (under 40 mph) I notice some feedback in the stick which I did not have with the stock flaps.
Ohhhhh this is good stuff
FULL GEEK!! Lol
What was the temperature that day
70-75 F
I would like to get detail on how mod the flap bracket for more degrees of flap ????
watch the video, I show a picture of what I did to the flap handle on the bell crank
Big difference between flaps and air brakes there pal.
To cool! Just hanging on them suckers
What about go arounds with 70 deg flaps?
as you can see in the testing portion I was at 70 degrees and easy transition to 0 flaps. No problem!
@@mauleguy I could see that but couldn't tell if you were already on the ground or not.
Have you ever looked at this spot for landing? 46.69199615077043, -124.05017086983926 (google map) do you think it's legal to land there?
So I have not looked at that spot. My guess is that it is tidal (could be underwater) and very soft other times. I probably would not land it since it is right on the coast and landing the beach is not legal. I don't like to have to deal with red tape and there are plenty of places to land where no one is going to see me and I know I am not going to have to deal with any officer. Copalis is not too far away from there and it is legal (29miles North).
No such thing as Click bait on your channel ... If you put one up it gets watched
Aha! First. Greg there was another dude with a Zenith that says his runway is shorter. I think your approach is still more sketchy though.
ua-cam.com/video/qGA0XErC-hY/v-deo.html
Edit: Jesus are those flaps 90 degrees deflected? sure looks like it. I thought my 182 with 40 degrees was excessive.
Looks like 90 degrees when its parked because of the angle of attack in taildragger configuration...when its level it will look like 70 degrees.
I kind of looked at it, looks easy compared to mine.
He talked about how bad his strip was but when he showed it it doesn't look tight at all
@@mauleguy Here's mine Greg, a buddy with his Maule makes it look easy, it's even easier with my RANS S-7S.ua-cam.com/video/bwpVWDk2txc/v-deo.html You win "the most messed up home strip" by far! Strong tailwinds are my only issue.
I’m not sure I understand how you can put that much more force on the wing and spar. Considering you bent a stiffener Could you speak to that. Thanks for the video.
Well the spar is not an issue and the false spar there is a beef up doubler kit that is built for the certified version which passed all the testing. I ordered and will put on the doubler kit when I get it. Although the certified version was not tested with 70 degrees of flaps I know the engineer personally and he says it is not an issue. I knew going into the change that the stiffener was the weak link. It is kind of like putting 450 hp to a Dana 60 rear end and not beefing up the drive line or the axles are 31 spline and really you need 35 spline. The housing and gears in the Dana 60 are plenty strong but the axles are too small so you break them. This is an easy fix.
Flap / speed brakes…
So basically you fly a helicopter?