Careful. Don't wanna offend those philosophy majors... I find MBTI incredibly useful for relating to others and my own experiences. I don't need it to be scientifically correct to have helped me with compassion and understanding.
I think the cognitive functions outside of a typological context could be a valid subject of study in cognitive science or neuroscience or something like that? Seems like they heavily relate to things like predictive processing and active inference, so I feel like there could be some exciting work there. But I agree that the way the systems are codified will never be “scientific” or “objective” nor do I think they need to be. It’s a non-normative tool for understanding self and other, and that’s what it should be. Claiming that it’s objective just makes people want to “debunk” it.
I think typology has its place in psychology & neurology (Dario Nardi). 2 psychologists that I met, they know and use MBTI & Enneagram. Years ago, I even convinced certain doctors : saying that it's how we process informations, how our brain function in part, our cognitive functions. Months later, my doctor (ISTJ) told me she learned intuition, she was more at peace, open & receptive. If the consciousness of people raise, or tap into their intuition, there is potential Typology can be more believed and respected by Science. We don't need more typology systems, we have everything we need, however we can provide a better understanding, explanation and use. Useless to invent new systems, that don't work for everyone, and which bring nothing essential or useful in addition (Oops am I too blunt ? 😆)
No, you're exactly on point, I say this all the time: there is already a good system. It just needs to be understood but currently there are enough people who spread misinformation and make the system look bad and certainly not what it is. I think Dario Nardi does a great job, I'm very curious about his further findings.
@@PriHL Yes, he does a great job, I read his book "Neuroscience of Personality, Brain Savvy Insights For All Types of People" I will surely read his last book in the future : "Decode Your Personality: Go Beyond Myers-Briggs With 64 Brain-Based Subtypes" On my side : I love explore the 8 functions model, more deeply (in the continuum of Carl Jung & John Beebe)
I came to your same conclusions about typology when i first became aware that I'm an "INTJ". Use it as a praxeology or a loose science at best. I would also add that you should treat the entire psychology arena the same way, as the entire field of psychology has a huge efficacy problem and has a crisis of replicability in many of their "scientific" studies. I would not be pursuing a career in this field if I were you, Architect. The field is muddled with special interest lobbies that corrupt the well meaning intent of folks in the Humanities.
in his videos he waters down the INTJ's functions so much that pretty much anyone who can be considered as an INTJ. One of example of many: INTJ's love to routine? He waters it down to that "I have certain creativity freedom and I need to express it more freely, therefore I have close to no routine". For other signs you can check and analyze yourself in his videos. He been doing this for multiple videos to be honest.
If the CIA uses it then its legit science has many branches as does psychology to which they all do not agree but the fact stands the cia are experts in people , if there sciences deems it approved in a way to track monitor influence and control humans then that's as official as it can be , scientist do not know everything only what they specialize it , most have horrible vocabularies because they are not English lit majors to need to have an impressive vocabulary besides jargon you need to think about who would use this and at what level for it to be legit what would a scientist do with this if they are not social engineers
I just want all those guys with their own MBTI system but no background in psychology to stop. They‘re rebranding opinions as facts and spreading misinformation at best, hurting people‘s life at worst. I‘m very sorry for all those people who are looking up to these MBTI life coaches. Believe what u want to believe - but me? I‘m not gonna believe some person with internet access blindly. I wish ppl would get better training for critical thinking in school… I also wish that the system for sponsoring research in psychology was different, but that‘s a different story…
I'm 100% with you on this. What they lack is the background and the critical thinking to form such systems, fallacies run wild, they contradict themselves etc. I always say, there's already a system, learn it and use it! But of course it's good for the ego to make your very own special "system" - and you can make money off of it, which is not honest (although they probably think it is as they see nothing wrong with their system). So many people who will give them money and still be none the wiser.
It seems personality in general, both typology and character model, should just be categorized in the chaos theory as something that's ultimately unpredictable, like the weather, because like the weather our brain follows patterns, like the functions, which is how there's able to be any predictability at all, but it can't be 100% predicted because there's just far too much that affects who we are as an individual, including how our brains physically develop, which is affected by lots of things, and every single experience we have in our lives, that might help people feel better about it not being 100% but also not wrong haha I also agree with people who are stating personality should be studied in both psychology and neurology because how our brains physically develop seems to very much influence who we are, our personality. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I think typology is coming closer to the scientific realm Dr. Dario Nardi and his work with Nero Science and personality types gives us a good glimpse into the most complex part of our body which is hopeful. Sooner or later we will have that breakthrough .
"Common people " 😂 I think the polite term you wanted was lay people. Overall I agree with you and it's why I largely quit watching mbti content. It's neither that accurate nor that useful the way a lot of people treat it, it basically IS like horoscopes once you're in someone's custom specialized type system with all their pet theories about how and why it all works that are based on imagination rather than science or even real experience with a real variety of people.
Careful. Don't wanna offend those philosophy majors... I find MBTI incredibly useful for relating to others and my own experiences. I don't need it to be scientifically correct to have helped me with compassion and understanding.
I think the cognitive functions outside of a typological context could be a valid subject of study in cognitive science or neuroscience or something like that? Seems like they heavily relate to things like predictive processing and active inference, so I feel like there could be some exciting work there.
But I agree that the way the systems are codified will never be “scientific” or “objective” nor do I think they need to be. It’s a non-normative tool for understanding self and other, and that’s what it should be. Claiming that it’s objective just makes people want to “debunk” it.
I think typology has its place in psychology & neurology (Dario Nardi). 2 psychologists that I met, they know and use MBTI & Enneagram.
Years ago, I even convinced certain doctors : saying that it's how we process informations, how our brain function in part, our cognitive functions.
Months later, my doctor (ISTJ) told me she learned intuition, she was more at peace, open & receptive.
If the consciousness of people raise, or tap into their intuition, there is potential Typology can be more believed and respected by Science.
We don't need more typology systems, we have everything we need, however we can provide a better understanding, explanation and use.
Useless to invent new systems, that don't work for everyone, and which bring nothing essential or useful in addition (Oops am I too blunt ? 😆)
No, you're exactly on point, I say this all the time: there is already a good system. It just needs to be understood but currently there are enough people who spread misinformation and make the system look bad and certainly not what it is.
I think Dario Nardi does a great job, I'm very curious about his further findings.
@@PriHL Yes, he does a great job, I read his book "Neuroscience of Personality, Brain Savvy Insights For All Types of People"
I will surely read his last book in the future : "Decode Your Personality: Go Beyond Myers-Briggs With 64 Brain-Based Subtypes"
On my side : I love explore the 8 functions model, more deeply (in the continuum of Carl Jung & John Beebe)
I came to your same conclusions about typology when i first became aware that I'm an "INTJ". Use it as a praxeology or a loose science at best. I would also add that you should treat the entire psychology arena the same way, as the entire field of psychology has a huge efficacy problem and has a crisis of replicability in many of their "scientific" studies. I would not be pursuing a career in this field if I were you, Architect. The field is muddled with special interest lobbies that corrupt the well meaning intent of folks in the Humanities.
he is probably a mistyped INTJ
in his videos he waters down the INTJ's functions so much that pretty much anyone who can be considered as an INTJ.
One of example of many:
INTJ's love to routine? He waters it down to that "I have certain creativity freedom and I need to express it more freely, therefore I have close to no routine".
For other signs you can check and analyze yourself in his videos.
He been doing this for multiple videos to be honest.
Just send those people over to Dario Nardi!
If the CIA uses it then its legit science has many branches as does psychology to which they all do not agree but the fact stands the cia are experts in people , if there sciences deems it approved in a way to track monitor influence and control humans then that's as official as it can be , scientist do not know everything only what they specialize it , most have horrible vocabularies because they are not English lit majors to need to have an impressive vocabulary besides jargon
you need to think about who would use this and at what level for it to be legit what would a scientist do with this if they are not social engineers
Who knows if the CIA even uses this, Lol. I seen that guy online claim that the CIA uses it, but he could be a double agent to us basically.
@@stayawayfromme1234 yeah thats possible too
I just want all those guys with their own MBTI system but no background in psychology to stop. They‘re rebranding opinions as facts and spreading misinformation at best, hurting people‘s life at worst. I‘m very sorry for all those people who are looking up to these MBTI life coaches. Believe what u want to believe - but me? I‘m not gonna believe some person with internet access blindly. I wish ppl would get better training for critical thinking in school…
I also wish that the system for sponsoring research in psychology was different, but that‘s a different story…
I'm 100% with you on this. What they lack is the background and the critical thinking to form such systems, fallacies run wild, they contradict themselves etc. I always say, there's already a system, learn it and use it! But of course it's good for the ego to make your very own special "system" - and you can make money off of it, which is not honest (although they probably think it is as they see nothing wrong with their system). So many people who will give them money and still be none the wiser.
It seems personality in general, both typology and character model, should just be categorized in the chaos theory as something that's ultimately unpredictable, like the weather, because like the weather our brain follows patterns, like the functions, which is how there's able to be any predictability at all, but it can't be 100% predicted because there's just far too much that affects who we are as an individual, including how our brains physically develop, which is affected by lots of things, and every single experience we have in our lives, that might help people feel better about it not being 100% but also not wrong haha I also agree with people who are stating personality should be studied in both psychology and neurology because how our brains physically develop seems to very much influence who we are, our personality. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Or maybe there are typological models that are harder (Big 5-HEXACO) and softer science (Jungian).
I think typology is coming closer to the scientific realm Dr. Dario Nardi and his work with Nero Science and personality types gives us a good glimpse into the most complex part of our body which is hopeful. Sooner or later we will have that breakthrough .
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"Common people " 😂 I think the polite term you wanted was lay people. Overall I agree with you and it's why I largely quit watching mbti content. It's neither that accurate nor that useful the way a lot of people treat it, it basically IS like horoscopes once you're in someone's custom specialized type system with all their pet theories about how and why it all works that are based on imagination rather than science or even real experience with a real variety of people.
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@@leggi_bois4eva oh hai~
I love this format where we get to see you talk!
Why do you have that silver thing around your eyes like trump does are you guy’s cousin?