Great test. Would have been good to see everything on a 5ah (10x18650) as the Milwaukee and Metabo (and Bosch to a lesser extent) had an advantage here. Rotohammers may not need much power at first, but a deep 20mm hole is going to bog the motor down from clearing dust which will take away some of the hammering power.
Exactly, drilling deep vs shallow is really 2 different tests. It's starting to get pretty complicated here, hence me doing the same data in 2 different ways in this vid
Excellent review with many of the most popular sds drills on the market! My personal favourite among them is the german - made Metabo, quite compact and on the top of the performance tests overall, overpassing 2.5J tools in performance.
THanks mate! yeah she's a real nice tool, and probably nicer now the new version has plastic shell instead of the alloy. That got pretty hot and would bite you on the arm if not careful
Researching demolition/rotary hammers has truly taken me on a long and winding journey, and your videos have addressed and answered many of my questions; I have a better idea of which model I will eventually purchase. When I first started researching demolition hammers I had no idea there were so many factors to consider. A salesman in the local hardware store recommended Hercules brand demolition hammers based on their power and price. As a result of researching those I learned about rotary hammers. I'm currently building my dream house and the property is basically limestone throughout; I can't even dig a hole with a pick axe to plant a tree, so I need something with a lot of power. Since I've amassed a nice assortment of DeWalt Cordless tools, all powered by 20V 6Ah XR batteries, it made sense to stick with the DeWalt brand for the rotary hammer. At first I considered the DCH273, but then the DCH293 caught my eye, however, the price really is a sticking point for me. But thanks to your videos I've narrowed it down to the DCH133 and DCH263. Based on the conditions of my property, which one would you recommend?
I think the 263 will suit your needs well. It hits harder than the 133, but has vibration control, and is much cheaper than the 273 & 293. Limestone's not that hard compared to granite, which I have tested with that drill and it worked very well. Plus, a D-handle (the long body shape) will be comfortable for drilling buried rocks. If you have LOTS of problems with rock, consider getting some non-explosive demolition grout like dexpan/expando to break up big rocks easily
@@BoltahDownunder Thanks a million for the recommendation, as well as replying so quickly. I was leaning more towards the DCH263. Interesting you mentioned Dexpan as I only just learned about this product a few days ago and have saved it in my wish list.
@@BoltahDownunder Only one inch deep with a 5mm, that makes up 90% of what I do. I also drill 10mm holes approx 50mm. I got the DCH172 after viewing one of your videos. Lightweight, easy to drill one handed. Pocket rocket
@@BoltahDownunder yea not much difference in 5s and 6s. Run a battle for the lightweight division. Have a max weight for the drill. I think Milwaukee would do well
Yeah the cheaper dewalt hammers (133, 263) are really impressive. I'm not planning on doing many teardowns as it's not my expertise but I'm really my l keen to work out how dewalt does such good tools so cheaply. if you want to collab and somehow work that out, HMU!
Excellent video and thank you for your hard work. I have the 133 and love it. I also have his big brother the DCH263, it has 3.1 joules. And it's an absolute beast! But you should review there big boy FlexVolt 60V rotary hammers, they're monsters.
No suprise the Mile FHX performance as well. I switched from the chx to fhx this year. The continuous performance when chipping tile is much better. It does need the HO battery though, as the 5ah does reduce its performance. The Metabo 5.5Ah batteries use 21700 cells. If I'm correct Samsung 21700 30t cells are used, which are rated at 2650mah at a 4A discharge rate. The same cells are used in the Milwaukee 6.0, which in Europe is called the 5.5Ah, and Bosch 5.5ah procore. The 5.5ah are best used for high drain tools, whilst the 8.0 I reserve for things like lights and shopvacs. Milwaukee 3.0Ho batteries also run 30T cells, which have a higher discharge rate of 35A vs 25A for the 40T's. In the end the 3.0Ah matches the 5.0Ah in output, whilst a battery using a single row of 40t cells , such as the Bosch 4.0 procore wouldn't be quite able to match the output of a good 5.0ah battery using 18650's.
@@BoltahDownunder That's what I've been told by my local retailer. I don't have a Milwaukee 5.5 HO battery to check it though. I do have several Bosch 5.5AH procore batteries, but haven't taken them apart yet. Might need to do that soon just to check :P
According to bosch the ProCore (21700 cells ) does not make any difference unless you have a tool with the Biturbo Brushless motor. So for the GBH18v26D you could also use the regular 5ah/6,5ah batteries. As far as i know Bosch only offers Biturbo Brushless with the 3 largest hammers they make and except for one these are SDS Max. Another thing i like about Bosch Professional is that the Batteries are pretty robust and also are better cooled since they do not have a lot of air inside them.
Good points! I never thought about the air but that explains the moulding on the bottom. Makes sense though, because air is a good insulator so getting rid of it should improve heat conduction
Great video as always, especially with a big compilation of hammers like this! I’m worried about your wallet though if you plan to make more videos like this with yet more new hammers… Also nice to see you talking into the camera, made it a bit more personal
Thanks mate! And no I don't plan to do such a huge vid again, but I figured I'd do this as like a teaser with high-level stuff since it was taking too long to get through them all individually. My aim is to have at least 2 vids covering different aspects of each drill (standard performance review, runtime in granite) before I sell them, but new things keep coming up so at this rate who knows. I've also not ever tested hammering performance. Realistically there's like 5 vids worth for each one, but I promise I won't make your sit through all that😅
Madman? Thanks mate! I do plan on selling them but new things keep coming up! The big problem with every tool test on here (except TTC) is that it's a stand-alone test that cannot be compared to new tools in future. I'm trying to get a solid dataset for each tool that's stable & repeatable so that in 3 years when the new model comes out I can accurately compare the tests (without holding on to the old tool). This vid was basically 2 stand alone tests, but with big enough cohorts that it turned out pretty informative. Once that batch of bricks/concrete is gone, there's no repeating it, so I've gotten a single batch made that'll last me a few years. Plus I need to get my EPTA impact energy rig going! Once I've got that data, I'll start selling drills off. At this rate I'll have to open a friggen store! 😅
@@BoltahDownunder could you run a baseline test on every piece of concrete with your corded bulldog? Then you can normalise results to that. Might need to buy a few hundred SDS bits, though as they're always changing 🤣
Yes! When I started to realise how variable different blocks could be, I did start doing calibration runs with the corded drill 😮💨. But that meant doing lots more timing analysis and then applying a scaling factor to different runs, which just looks weird in videos. In the end I just got a visit from the concrete taxi and now I've got lots of blocks from the same batch, and I didn't have to mix it myself
Hello, just curious on what you reckon the best SDS would be for drilling 6mm holes x 80mm as I drill these holes all day long, looking for decent anti-vibration and speed. Thanks in advance.
Hi mate, are you drilling upwards a lot too? If so weight would be a concern also. Also which brand do you currently use? I haven't tested 6mm directly but any hammer in this video would do it very fast, but weigh quite a lot. Based on what you've said so far I'd go for the dewalt DCH 172 or Makita DHR182, those are both the best of the compact hammers I've tested (see link) If you don't want a small weight hammer, the fastest driller would be the Milwaukee M18FH, but that's also the biggest 1" hammer around and so may be too big for you to lug around drilling 6mm holes ua-cam.com/video/21k5Bh09fjQ/v-deo.html
@@BoltahDownunder First of all thanks for the response. I'm not fussed on brand, I'm currently using Dewalt/Makita/Milwaukee haha. I've had my eye on the Makita just wasn't sure, wanted to ask your opinion first and it's for ceilings exclusively, probably 100+ holes a day 6mm hammer fixings.
Personally I'd go for the Makita DHR 182 for that. Drills super fast for such a small tool and for upwards drilling it's pretty light and the pistol grip makes it comfy and well balanced pointing upwards. But it's up to you. Go into a store and see how you like the feel of it vs say the dewalt DCH172.What're you using at the moment?
Can you tell which one is the best one considering ergonomics/power ? I had the Dch133 very powerful for its category but not compact at all, not well balanced
Based on these results the Milwaukee m18fh & the Metabo are probably the best there. But since you've already got dewalt batteries the dch273 might be good for you
@@BoltahDownunder i bought all m'y dewalt tools and switched to Makita a year ago I think i'll go for the Makita dhr185 youve tested previously for 6/8mm holes and Hilti te6 a22 for harder tasks thanks mate keep it up your videos are the greatest on the topic
please test all sds plus rotary hammer in 2023 agian+dch 263 133 273+6ah high output or flexvolt for fair. or everything 5ah standard battery. thank.
It doesn't affect its no load speed or drilling speed on easy tasks, like the first test, but does improve hard tasks when the motor starts to bog down, like the second test. I haven't measured how much improvement yet on the Milwaukee. However, almost all the drills in this video had some kind of high output Battery on them. Ppl always want to see moah powah! Iirc only dewalt & makita had normal 5Ahs on them.
11:15 & 15:11 Yes DEWALT DCH133 l have it and loved 😍
thank you for your review .
Great test. Would have been good to see everything on a 5ah (10x18650) as the Milwaukee and Metabo (and Bosch to a lesser extent) had an advantage here. Rotohammers may not need much power at first, but a deep 20mm hole is going to bog the motor down from clearing dust which will take away some of the hammering power.
Exactly, drilling deep vs shallow is really 2 different tests. It's starting to get pretty complicated here, hence me doing the same data in 2 different ways in this vid
Excellent review with many of the most popular sds drills on the market! My personal favourite among them is the german - made Metabo, quite compact and on the top of the performance tests overall, overpassing 2.5J tools in performance.
THanks mate! yeah she's a real nice tool, and probably nicer now the new version has plastic shell instead of the alloy. That got pretty hot and would bite you on the arm if not careful
@@BoltahDownunder Yeh, just bought that exact model ( not that i really need a second cordless SDS drill) :) I like the metal part, looks really nice.
Researching demolition/rotary hammers has truly taken me on a long and winding journey, and your videos have addressed and answered many of my questions; I have a better idea of which model I will eventually purchase. When I first started researching demolition hammers I had no idea there were so many factors to consider. A salesman in the local hardware store recommended Hercules brand demolition hammers based on their power and price. As a result of researching those I learned about rotary hammers. I'm currently building my dream house and the property is basically limestone throughout; I can't even dig a hole with a pick axe to plant a tree, so I need something with a lot of power. Since I've amassed a nice assortment of DeWalt Cordless tools, all powered by 20V 6Ah XR batteries, it made sense to stick with the DeWalt brand for the rotary hammer. At first I considered the DCH273, but then the DCH293 caught my eye, however, the price really is a sticking point for me. But thanks to your videos I've narrowed it down to the DCH133 and DCH263. Based on the conditions of my property, which one would you recommend?
I think the 263 will suit your needs well. It hits harder than the 133, but has vibration control, and is much cheaper than the 273 & 293. Limestone's not that hard compared to granite, which I have tested with that drill and it worked very well. Plus, a D-handle (the long body shape) will be comfortable for drilling buried rocks. If you have LOTS of problems with rock, consider getting some non-explosive demolition grout like dexpan/expando to break up big rocks easily
@@BoltahDownunder Thanks a million for the recommendation, as well as replying so quickly. I was leaning more towards the DCH263. Interesting you mentioned Dexpan as I only just learned about this product a few days ago and have saved it in my wish list.
Great vid, loved it.
Outstanding review - thanks for this!
Brilliant! Thanks
Love the 80s vibe soundtrack. I’d love to see a 5mm speedtest. This is what I use for 90% of my holes (air con/electrician)
Cheers mate! What depth 5mm? And would you use an inch drill like these or a smaller one?
@@BoltahDownunder Only one inch deep with a 5mm, that makes up 90% of what I do. I also drill 10mm holes approx 50mm. I got the DCH172 after viewing one of your videos. Lightweight, easy to drill one handed. Pocket rocket
Good to hear! I've got a bunch of 6mm bits I need to use, as well as some 5's. I'll see what I can do, maybe rig up some upward drilling thing...
@@BoltahDownunder yea not much difference in 5s and 6s. Run a battle for the lightweight division. Have a max weight for the drill. I think Milwaukee would do well
Cool well I've got enough footage for the rest of the year but maybe I'll make it a Christmas special or something😂
Love my 133, can't wait to see if the new 5.0ah powerstack worth the investment.
Got the DCH263 a month ago and love it. Got it new on a deal too for 200USD
Yeah the cheaper dewalt hammers (133, 263) are really impressive. I'm not planning on doing many teardowns as it's not my expertise but I'm really my l keen to work out how dewalt does such good tools so cheaply. if you want to collab and somehow work that out, HMU!
Excellent video and thank you for your hard work. I have the 133 and love it. I also have his big brother the DCH263, it has 3.1 joules. And it's an absolute beast! But you should review there big boy FlexVolt 60V rotary hammers, they're monsters.
Thanks mate! I'd love to get into the bigger hammers one day but not until I'm actually monetised here. My wallet can't take it 😅
@@BoltahDownunder those suckers are expensive !
No suprise the Mile FHX performance as well. I switched from the chx to fhx this year. The continuous performance when chipping tile is much better. It does need the HO battery though, as the 5ah does reduce its performance.
The Metabo 5.5Ah batteries use 21700 cells. If I'm correct Samsung 21700 30t cells are used, which are rated at 2650mah at a 4A discharge rate. The same cells are used in the Milwaukee 6.0, which in Europe is called the 5.5Ah, and Bosch 5.5ah procore. The 5.5ah are best used for high drain tools, whilst the 8.0 I reserve for things like lights and shopvacs.
Milwaukee 3.0Ho batteries also run 30T cells, which have a higher discharge rate of 35A vs 25A for the 40T's. In the end the 3.0Ah matches the 5.0Ah in output, whilst a battery using a single row of 40t cells , such as the Bosch 4.0 procore wouldn't be quite able to match the output of a good 5.0ah battery using 18650's.
Good stuff, thanks! So the 5.5Ah is just a European label for 6Ah? That makes sense of a few things for me, Cheers
@@BoltahDownunder That's what I've been told by my local retailer. I don't have a Milwaukee 5.5 HO battery to check it though. I do have several Bosch 5.5AH procore batteries, but haven't taken them apart yet. Might need to do that soon just to check :P
According to bosch the ProCore (21700 cells ) does not make any difference unless you have a tool with the Biturbo Brushless motor. So for the GBH18v26D you could also use the regular 5ah/6,5ah batteries. As far as i know Bosch only offers Biturbo Brushless with the 3 largest hammers they make and except for one these are SDS Max. Another thing i like about Bosch Professional is that the Batteries are pretty robust and also are better cooled since they do not have a lot of air inside them.
Good points! I never thought about the air but that explains the moulding on the bottom. Makes sense though, because air is a good insulator so getting rid of it should improve heat conduction
Great video as always, especially with a big compilation of hammers like this! I’m worried about your wallet though if you plan to make more videos like this with yet more new hammers…
Also nice to see you talking into the camera, made it a bit more personal
Thanks mate! And no I don't plan to do such a huge vid again, but I figured I'd do this as like a teaser with high-level stuff since it was taking too long to get through them all individually. My aim is to have at least 2 vids covering different aspects of each drill (standard performance review, runtime in granite) before I sell them, but new things keep coming up so at this rate who knows. I've also not ever tested hammering performance. Realistically there's like 5 vids worth for each one, but I promise I won't make your sit through all that😅
Do you own all of these drills? If so, you are a madman.
Getting closer to 1k subs!
Madman? Thanks mate!
I do plan on selling them but new things keep coming up! The big problem with every tool test on here (except TTC) is that it's a stand-alone test that cannot be compared to new tools in future. I'm trying to get a solid dataset for each tool that's stable & repeatable so that in 3 years when the new model comes out I can accurately compare the tests (without holding on to the old tool). This vid was basically 2 stand alone tests, but with big enough cohorts that it turned out pretty informative. Once that batch of bricks/concrete is gone, there's no repeating it, so I've gotten a single batch made that'll last me a few years.
Plus I need to get my EPTA impact energy rig going! Once I've got that data, I'll start selling drills off. At this rate I'll have to open a friggen store! 😅
@@BoltahDownunder could you run a baseline test on every piece of concrete with your corded bulldog? Then you can normalise results to that. Might need to buy a few hundred SDS bits, though as they're always changing 🤣
Yes! When I started to realise how variable different blocks could be, I did start doing calibration runs with the corded drill 😮💨. But that meant doing lots more timing analysis and then applying a scaling factor to different runs, which just looks weird in videos.
In the end I just got a visit from the concrete taxi and now I've got lots of blocks from the same batch, and I didn't have to mix it myself
Hello, just curious on what you reckon the best SDS would be for drilling 6mm holes x 80mm as I drill these holes all day long, looking for decent anti-vibration and speed.
Thanks in advance.
Hi mate, are you drilling upwards a lot too? If so weight would be a concern also.
Also which brand do you currently use? I haven't tested 6mm directly but any hammer in this video would do it very fast, but weigh quite a lot.
Based on what you've said so far I'd go for the dewalt DCH 172 or Makita DHR182, those are both the best of the compact hammers I've tested (see link) If you don't want a small weight hammer, the fastest driller would be the Milwaukee M18FH, but that's also the biggest 1" hammer around and so may be too big for you to lug around drilling 6mm holes
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@@BoltahDownunder First of all thanks for the response. I'm not fussed on brand, I'm currently using Dewalt/Makita/Milwaukee haha. I've had my eye on the Makita just wasn't sure, wanted to ask your opinion first and it's for ceilings exclusively, probably 100+ holes a day 6mm hammer fixings.
Personally I'd go for the Makita DHR 182 for that. Drills super fast for such a small tool and for upwards drilling it's pretty light and the pistol grip makes it comfy and well balanced pointing upwards. But it's up to you. Go into a store and see how you like the feel of it vs say the dewalt DCH172.What're you using at the moment?
Can you tell which one is the best one considering ergonomics/power ? I had the Dch133 very powerful for its category but not compact at all, not well balanced
Based on these results the Milwaukee m18fh & the Metabo are probably the best there. But since you've already got dewalt batteries the dch273 might be good for you
@@BoltahDownunder i bought all m'y dewalt tools and switched to Makita a year ago I think i'll go for the Makita dhr185 youve tested previously for 6/8mm holes and Hilti te6 a22 for harder tasks thanks mate keep it up your videos are the greatest on the topic
@@gaspardvial8022 Uhmm If the DHR185 you told was the DHR182 right? I haven't heard the Model Dhr185 before
please test all sds plus rotary hammer in 2023 agian+dch 263 133 273+6ah high output or flexvolt for fair. or everything 5ah standard battery. thank.
If you included the Ramset in the test why wouldn’t you choose a better 1in Bosch model to compare?
I don't know what you mean but these are the two 1" Bosch types I had in my collection when I decided to make this video
Hikoki has the 36V beast SDS
And u can plug it in with the AC adapter for long run times
Yeah I got one on the way! how's she go?
I have the AEG machine, Not that old and not that impressed with that machine. You have to turn the head by hand to get it going....
Good luck to the ones wanting to save 2 or 3 seconds of their life lol
Milwaukee with 6 amp batteries? Thats a several second boost that the tools with 5s wouldnt have had.
Most likely! Interestingly the M12 5ah is higher output than their 6ah though
It doesn't affect its no load speed or drilling speed on easy tasks, like the first test, but does improve hard tasks when the motor starts to bog down, like the second test. I haven't measured how much improvement yet on the Milwaukee.
However, almost all the drills in this video had some kind of high output Battery on them. Ppl always want to see moah powah! Iirc only dewalt & makita had normal 5Ahs on them.
U didn’t used the flex
Wanna send me one to test? Not available here yet