Coffee & Cursey Words | Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard Unsealed. Devices, Discovery & Transcripts
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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0:00 Welcome
3:53 Brittney Griner
18:50 Motion To Compel Forensic Imaging of Heard's Devices
1:11:20 Heard's Opposition To The Motion To Compel Forensic Imagining
2:21:36 Defense Exhibit Plea and Bar Regarding Case In the UK
2:53:24 Q&A
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I’m genuinely shocked that the Heard law team didn’t get sanctioned for their behaviour.
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Around 2:18:17 "This judge has more patience than I could ever muster."
Truer words were never spoken about this entire situation!💜
The amount of micro-managing and details on these motions can only mean Judge A saw the games early on AH was playing, and made sure all of her (Judge A’s) T’s were crossed and I’s dotted, in the event of appeal… and, here we are. Judge A knows the deal. 🖤🖤
The amount of saturation on the photos is crazy.
Some things may appear clear but that’s only coz the pics have been so highly saturated & darkened. U can see the face, the background looking so badly highlighted & edited with different colouring. How this got through in the uk is amazing.
Still no bruises anywhere just bad skin.
I totally agree!
@@katty5003 or botox. I have worked at a demotologists office for a minute and I saw folks walk out holding ice packs on their injections. The filler I had done made me look full on punched out for a week... well worth it lol
@@elizabethc3842 yess, seen that too, next day lol bruised depending on the injecting/ procedure.. it’s such sensitive areas. definitely worth it hehe
She’s a Judge God!!
The sarcasm, empathy and practical knowledge Emily has while talking about these cases is unmatched. Sending love to the badass lawyer from the replay crew
There’s no one like Emily ❤️
Yep! She's the Best by far!!!!
"the replay crew" 😂 love it
Has she discussed the unaliving of her best friend conviction when she was a teen? It’s the only part of the unsealed docs that’s interesting to me and I’d love to see Emily’s reaction to it.
Emily is an international treasure for sure. I just adore her.
This reminds me of the Wagatha Christie case in the UK where the forensic expert 'accidentally lost' the passwords they used to encrypt the phone data dumps, making them useless. When the person who owned the phone was told this, they then 'accidentally dropped their original phone into the North Sea off the side of a ferry'. The judge didn't exactly believe those stories and made it very clear in the ruling. 😂
Wait. So didn't Dr. Hughes say she provided "copious" amounts of notes as an explanation as to why the testing wasn't 100% filled out? Only now to find out she was instructed not to supply said notes to Dr. Curry!
Not surprised
With the way she displayed herself on the stand its not surprising that she didn't. And I'm sure dr curry said something about not getting certain info aswell...dont quote me on it my memory is a little fuzzy lol...so much happened
She also said that she didn’t need to fill it out because whoever was going through it WOULD have the 80+ pages of notes.
So true pmsl also if you have time to write copious amounts of notes to explanation why you didn’t do something when she could of been doing that something 🤔& now you realise you didn’t have to lie about that something after all as it was something about nothing 🤦♀️🤭😂A💩 certainly had the perfect team 🤭 All be if a farcical almost comical version of herself how perfect for her 🤗
The fact that AH wouldn’t play ball over the devices is an obvious red flag from the get go…
Exactly. What do you not want people to see? Is there something incriminating on there? (I think it likely. It's very sus)
@@seeglines blackmail vids and probably some CP as well just for kicks.
well after seeing house in habit … 😂
Stephen Dieters gave an interview with TMZ on June 3rd discounting much of his texts with Amber were heavely doctored. He also stated that he never knew if any acts of abuse to Amber. Also claimed he would testify to the lack of violence from Johnny. Stating that Johnny has never been violent toward anyone .
Specifically June 2016 - maybe that's part of why Heard's team didn't bring him in as a witness, because he'd already disavowed the texts publicly?
Deuters said, in 2017, he did not witness this and that he would testify this in court.
@@nataliegoff9521 right this is what Amber said happened 🙄
so his texts to AH regarding the kick on the plane are fake??
Deuters said the text was doctored because he says there are no dates. He said in 2016 he was "willing to testify" but she never deposed or called him to testify, which is odd. He did submit a statement in the UK and in Australia.
His wife has come out and called amber sociopathic. It is likely they would not have substantiated ambers claims which is why they didn’t call Deuters.
I loved the judges face when that guy was vaping during his testimony. Judge A is a saint
The witness is a Saint too: not compensated for his time or accommodated during his testimony. Much money for "experts," but just rude imposition on the building staff.
@@julianhelms2217 Good point
@@julianhelms2217 Alejandro (the vaping guy) was actually being pressured by his employer to get back on the clock. That's why he tried to finish the testimony so he wouldn't get fired. I saw him recently on Popcorned Planet where he explained all of this. Andy on Popcorned Planet actually set up an account if anyone wanted to contribute to Alejandro. I see nothing wrong with that--he gave honest (and sometimes humorous) testimony.
nobody gets upset more than Amber Heard getting accused of something she definitely did.
lol this is going in my quotes journal 😄
Same!
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Narcs are known for their endless tantrums.
Literally at sums up narcissists in general.
Re: I think Depp’s mention of the soldiers at Normandy in his Depo is because the Depo was taken on November 12th; the day after Armistice Day, which is a Big Deal in the UK
Also in France which was his home for years.
I appreciate his reference. My Dad landed in the first wave of the bloodiest of the Normandy Beach landings in WWII, miraculously survived, was badly injured later on in-country and again, miraculously survived his injuries to come home to his family and marry my Mom. Thanks, Johnny, for remembering those brave soldiers.
It’s a big deal for a lot of us in the US too
We call it Remembrance Day in the UK. And we have National 2 mins silence on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month for Remembrance, every year since 1919.
@@scottishpensioner2447 exact same in Canada, unsurprisingly
FYI, "DD" is disk dump, actually usually in lower characters dd. It allows a disk to be copied right down to the lowest level of raw sector data. "checkra1n" (it's a '1' here) is to jailbreak a mobile device. Jailbreaking means giving root access to a device so everything can be read with full permissions. A hash is a checksum that would change if any differences are made to a file, so they're asking if the copied image or files had the same checksums as the originals.
thank you for the succinct explanations, very helpful.
Wow thank you for that info
Very useful information. Cheers!
Wow I understand that better.thanks
Ty for breaking it down for us lol, I myself have a difficult time understanding the techi jargon 1🤣
Deuters testified in the UK trial and said he was placating her. That’s why they didn’t call him in the US.
thank you. I saw something where Emily liked an item regarding Dexter's but the whole was not available
More like it didn’t work for J in UK , where the bully was rightly deemed a wife beater . SO Depp team adopted DARVO for US travesty of a trial . His robot fans would believe the earth is flat if old addled l*mp d**k told them so 😂
So the text itself is legit and was claimed by Deuters in the UK trial?
@@UltimoDogLover first he said it was fake, then he admitted it was real but he was “placating her.” Why lie and said it was fake at first? I definitely don’t think Amber was innocent in everything but neither was Johnny.
@@jsm8841 Jonny never hit her or kicked her one purpose , she sure as hell tried to beat on him though . Maybe he had to stick his leg out to get her away from him and Amber blew it up to a kick for no reason. JD is not a saint , he said mean things in reaction to her , he bough into t he toxicity because that’s how he grew up. He is an addict who has probably done some shitty things. I am also a recovering addict who has said and done shitty things . Doesn’t make Jd an abuser or a bad person. I have never physically hurt anyone that wasn’t trying to physically hurt me , it’s not in my nature and you can tell it’s not in JD’s nature either . So , no , none of us or ever completely innocent . However AH is a muniplitive abusive lier who has ruined many lives and succeeded in ruining many years of JDs life . So many people like you will now always think he is some how the same caliber Type of person because of AH and her lawyers tricks and lie’s . Women who lie about things like this need to start facing some serious jail time !!!
If you go through all of the emails in the unsealed files, you will see that Elaine is honestly as shady as AH. It is honestly scary. Ben Chew even mentions in one of the motions that he was "warned by others" in their profession about her (basically unethical) behaviors and tactics. She is known to lie, twist things, and play the victim professionally as much as AH does personally. I truly believe Elaine's willingness to be shady is why AH has kept her. There is a big difference in defending and deceiving. She plays on the wrong side of the ethical court.
Elaine seems much worse
It looks like Heard picked a lawyer as criminal ,sleazy and dishonest as she is,
a lawyer will to lie and break the law like Heard to obtain her objective, as an opinion , that looks alot like a fact. Both bitches should of been impeached
Elaine is probably criminal in her own right. Doing things in legal cases that are blatantly illegal. Probably evidence and witness tampering and much more.
She's a wreck as a lawyer. The fact that she's shady is literally the only reason why amber kept her. Plus she seems to be personally invested (TV interviews) compared to ROTTENBorn
I think Elaine is what AH is well on her way to being minus the law degree of course.
In my experience (as a dog litigator) clients hire people who look like them. We do complex civil litigation, and the most unethical companies usually hire lead counsel similar to them, who then fills the team with other attorneys like him or her.
For anyone wondering what “imaging” is, here is a very simply explanation to the best of my ability:
It’s when you take a device and snapshot everything that is on it, as it was (or at a specific time) and copy it on to another device to keep the original intact while grabbing what is essentially a copy.
These aren’t just them taking a few images. They’re taking what is essentially the whole phone and putting it on to a hard drive and then browsing through all those files.
Due to how they work these images can be pulled from records kept by the companies so even if you delete the texts you can still pull them up.
What’s more, because when you delete a file- you don’t actually destroy the data- you just change a flag that surrounds the data to “open for rewriting” you can actually go through those old deleted items and piece them back together using special digital forensic tools.
This is why when you “reset” your computer it asks you if you would like to spend extra time securing and erasing the data, because you’re essentially having the computer create junk files to replace all those deleted files so even if you use forensic tools it is less likely to be able to be pieced back together, and why it is recommended you do this process 2 or so times. Which can take **hours** depending on the size.
Hope this helps.
Thank you!
Pretty much, with a computer hard drive you have to DBAN it. I wouldn't trust Microsoft or Apple to actually erase the data. I have no idea about Linux systems.
Thank you for your clarity!
As a non tech person I get some what confused. I do think Heard side is playing vague. I hear them say they provided the images alot but there is a big difference, between an image and the data of an image. Heard side wasn't giving up the digital info for most of these photos I believe to understand.
Thank you, that was very helpful!
What I'm taking from this is an understanding of why Rottenborn is now MIA. Presumably and hopefully having intense therapy. Can you imagine having to collab with Elaine and AH? There are not enough mega pints or emotional support alpacas on earth for that
I have severe adhd as well but having you on in the background is the perfect thing to help me focus and get work done!
Wow really? I need TOTAL silence to absorb information. If I listened to EDB while studying I’d fail my classes miserably. But it would be more fun to do homework! 😂
I listen to it to get to sleep. It's interesting so my ADHD pays attention but soothing so my brain can get into sleep mode. It's like tricking my ADHD into sleep lol. The Mea Culpa podcast works too
There are people in the USA serving life sentences for cannabis. That's a reality here.
Thank you. I am not sure why MSM are acting like this isn't a HUGE issue in the US and a reason for overincarceration.
Aren't people in American jail's used as practically slave labour? Paid pittances or given access to extra rations or lunch items to buy in return for work?
Edit - I'm not American as you can probably tell so I'm likely missing lots of the proper terms. I've read that people in jails do stuff from paint Production and such to other manual labour.
And that's very wrong. Fortunately, most of those sentences have been commuted in states that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana. Eventually it will be removed from Controlled Substances Act completely and be federally legal.
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Yup pretty much.
@@UltimoDogLover
Yes yes it is. I am part of a group in North Dakota that is fighting to free the plant and free the people.
If the devices hadn’t been produced on time AH should have been told she could not enter any photos or other evidence to prove her Case…
Is that one of the possible remedies for noncompliance?
That’s perfect. Make the punishment fit the crime. The Court should have said give it all to JD’s team in the correct verifiable form or you cannot use it either.
But then she would have made a bigger deal about her evidence being kept out and the case may have been more appealable.
@@courtney3974 So what? In the end the court will see them and JD will win AGAIN!
i think it was more telling... and thus beneficial to johnnys case to show she cant produce credible evidence..it was a backup.. doctored.. and claimed by amber as a mountain of evidence.. let that shit in.. and figuratively hang herself by submitting.. let her enter it.. lets argue the validity... this showing that Amber's words and evidence cant be verified and should be questioned
dont limit the liars evidence.. disprove it... and then set their case on fire.. dont u see that disproving fake photos and evidence.. shades anything credible her side presents? its strategic... why would u block photos that cant be verified... bring light to the " sus" stuff.. and discredit her entire case
Regardless of which Country you are a citizen of you have to be doubly careful when travelling! You must check and check again.
Yes, I’m 100% pro cannabis , but you have to be responsible and respect other places and their rules 🤷♀️, just because you can do it at home, doesn’t mean you can do it in someone else’s home too.
No wonder Dennison was so eager to grab copies of Everything Hughes was USING as Post-its to Refresh her Memory while being questioned by Elaine!!! What are the odds Curry was up all night going thru those copies of Hughes' work product she tried to hide in her little briefcase she had with her while testifying? I bet Curry had to go over all of this with Dennison before he cross-examined Hughes the Next Day. Unbelievable....Yes Elaine's team was up to no good with all her paid experts! How many times have they pulled this same crap with other defendants? I would try to reopen my case if I had faced Elaine in any court prior. They should be granted. Thank God Depp had the money to pay attorneys & experts to keep fighting Elaine on this trickery!!
Since Johnny quoted Hamlet he also should have made Amber aware of this line, “Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot that it do singe thyself.”
I worked on forensic software. For those curious, the first step is to make an image of the device. This isn't copying files, but making a bit-accurate copy of the storage media. The forensic software will then analyze the image and create a list of all files AND of deleted and hidden data. With most devices, this can be done in a day. What takes time is going through tens of thousands of files and possible files.
One complication is software/hardware which encrypts everything on the storage media. iPhones do this.
“My cat unplugged my internet!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember JD's forensic expert testifying that AH dumped thousands of irrelevant photo's, implying this was a deliberatie tactic to hinder the process? Maybe that's those "virtually all photo's" Elaine and AH's expert are referencing?
That might've worked on AH's team but this was JD's crackerjack team and they weren't falling for it!
So, they get to withhold evidence, commit perjury - skate all over the law - and there are NO CONSEQUENCES? If that had been me - I'd be sitting in jail.
It’s our justice system. We have to accept what happened in the court. The sealed documents are be ignored.
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Replay crew here! Thank you Emily for sending us the love! We appreciate you gurl
You are so welcome!
Q. Why doesn't the court hold Heard and her team in contempt when they ignore these orders? I know sanctions were requested by Depp's team but no sanctions appear to have been granted. What if the evidence she didn't turn over could have been crucial to the case?
"Well you're just a snarky guy!"
hukt un fonix werx fer me You can chose to see it this way, or you could try pouring a tiny bit of empathy and understanding into it and see that Emily has a family and a full time job doing these videos, and actually need to have an income. If she should answer the thousands of questions from readers, she need more hours in the day, plus if you regularly see her videos, almost all questions are already answered. It is actually quite normal for UA-camrs to treat paying viewers with a little more attention. Emily’s viewers are often as qualified as she is to answer questions too, but I doubt anyone wants to spend time answering yours, as your attitude is not that pleasant.
@hukt un fonix werx fer me I have watched her answer non super chat questions live. Most YTers don't go back to read comments outside the live stream. That's not about little people. That's about a smol channel that blew up to over half a million subs in about a month.
What kind of precedent is being set with AH not producing the devices, information etc. that was included in the order?
Also precedents with her lawyers (Elaine especially) likely being party to all these shady dealings about this data. And all the other complaints about Elaine.
And then the doctored images/data AND the blatant perjury.
How is anyone supposed to have faith in justice?
Question: why can't the phone carrier be subpoenaed for phone records? They capture so much data on usage that would be more credible than a backup.
Its been too long to collect those probably.
It most likely would not have been possible because this was a civil trial, not criminal. Companies can be very protective of their data, it would not surprise me if the phone company fought it & won.
1:28:00 I don't think Wednesay afternoon to Monday morning is long to reply to an email when there is a public holiday in between. It's very likely Camillie took Thanksgiving off to be with her family (How dare she). And Elaine purposely sent the email before she left for Thanksgiving, and then replied as soon as she was also back in the office.
I know I’m not the only replay crew who ignores the time stamps and rides the whole stream 🤗
You are not alone. You are seen.
Something is rotten- This line is spoken by Marcellus in Act I, scene iv (67), as he and Horatio debate whether or not to follow Hamlet and the ghost into the dark night. The line refers both to the idea that the ghost is an ominous omen for Denmark and to the larger theme of the connection between the moral legitimacy of a ruler and the health of the state as a whole. The ghost is a visible symptom of the rottenness of Denmark created by Claudius’s crime
Here, here. It's always good to hear from another Shakespeare Nerd 💙
I get what he's saying. I studied philosophy as a major and took an Ethics of Law class. My perspective seemed quite different than a lot of the pre-law students. They would always say the defendant was innocent/guilty. Whereas I said FOUND innocent/guilty. Yes, evidence and levels of certainty but ultimately there is A truth as to what happened and juries CAN be wrong. That doesn't mean I think we should toss the system out but... I get what he's saying. If he KNOWS he is innocent, nothing is going to change that. No more than you could convince him that grass is purple. No number of people looking at it from the outside could convince him otherwise. And he knew and accepted that going in- that for as much as he is certain of his innocence, he might not be able to convince a jury. But he still felt he needed to try.
Should have been a contempt of court month in jail until she turns them over.
I was concerned about the deuters texts, until "steven" suddenly started using Amber's language about the two sides of someone she loves
That is an excellent point.
Pretty obvious who wrote them. They didn't come in standard text form, red flag right there. They should have been available to see on her phone at least, but no.
Oh shit HAHAHA DAMN YOU ARE SO RIGHT
And I oop 🤣🤣🤣
Replay crew here. I always think I can do more in time before an appointment, too. My ex never understood that it was part of my ADHD.
Same here
Thank you for acknowledging us that live in other time zones and therefore watch the replay. Xxx
Stephen Deuters DID testify in the UK trial!!! And he said, under oath, that he "never saw Depp use violence against Heard, and would 'absolutely not' stand by and allow it to happen!" Stephen Deuters has been vocal about AH being the abuser, a sociopath, and manipulator. So those texts were either planned, or she was demanding that he tell Johnny he kicked her (IF and that's a big IF, it happened, it was probably accidental and she was just wanting to make JD feel like sh!t about it), and like you said, he was just appeasing her. Of course they don't want that testimony said in court. The text, without context, sounds much better for them. I can hear Elaine now.... "but your honor!!! Please!!! I can't let him testify that he never saw Johnny be physical with Amber or that he has seen Amber hit him.... no way! But come on, your honor, look at this text! It's GOLD!! Let me just use this instead! It's not fair that they have all the good evidence with witnesses and I don't!"
Omg ! I hope everyone see this !! Thank you Kelly !!!🙏
Stephen has said those text were doctored. Which would explain why they couldn't find them on his phone when the forensic exam of it was done. He adamantly denies ever saying that or texting it.
And that’s probably exactly why they didn’t have him testify in the US trial.
Why didn’t the JD’s counsel subpoena him to testify? Huge mistake not to call him as a witness.
@@Ashley__Rose I would assume it was court ruled. If AH would have brought up the text (like she did Kate Moss), THEN JD could have called him in as a rebuttal witness. But since they "weren't allowed" to use the texts, JD couldn't use his testimony to refute it. That's my best guess, but I'm honestly not sure.
We have Coffee & Cursey Words on Tuesday so how about Tea & Trashy Talk on Thursday?
I am ADHD as well. Struggled through college and Masters and still didn’t know how to register after i left. I was far ahead of researchers and spent years until I was 56 questioning doctors. Now retired. You are so focused….makes me proud.
Full quote from around 2:15:31
And, Ms. Bredehoft, I am going to make a comment to you. And maybe I shouldn't, but I am going to, anyway. But you risk losing credibility with the Court when you come before the Court and accuse the other side of not following the rules. Yet, you repeatedly have tried to add matters to the argument docket that were not on the docket. That would be a violation of the rules.
You also send vastly overbroad requests apparently in the hope that they will negotiate something better than what you might have gotten had you sent a reasonable request in the first place. So that's part of the reason that we have this on the Friday docket; not simply because they are not giving you everything that you ask for or they are not negotiating in a fashion you wish for them to negotiate with. So I hope I am clear on that. I am sorry I have to say it.
Source: TUGs video from July 3rd, PROOF Judge CAN'T STAND Amber Heard and Elaine Bredehoft! REPORTS are RIGHT!
Thanks for the stream Emily!
The thing is Ambers team keep using old version of software to extract data from her phone and laptop, also they were handing data to Johnnys team in unusual ways the format were all old versions, Ambers team were pretty much were trying make the data harder to look into. Usually hackers will do these types tricks when they are trying to manipulate data or confusion in data, so I can see why Johnnys team want to do this. I can tell ambers data extraction has been definitely been cooked. I don’t know if your going to get the docs that explains why his experts refused some of the extraction data from ambers experts, they mentioned it was tampered with by purposely using old version of software when data from her phone and laptop, also they were handing data to Johnnys team in unusual ways Ambers team were pretty much were trying to kill Johnnys expert team by using unfit software that takes longer to confirm the legitimate results.
thank you!!
By the time Judge A came aboard, I am certain she read all the case files and all of the proceedings that wasn't live was very disrespectful from AH team but the Judge held a very controlled court situation. Judge A performance was stellar and quite fair inspite of that court circus!
There’s one thing I learned from Law and Lumber recently-
When Judges put on the robes, they are essentially getting in to character.
They are becoming the personification of justice.
The robe blocks much of her, and in her elevated place above the court, her position is a literal and physical reminder of what she is.
She is, by and large, roleplaying, except a lot more complicated. She is shedding her own beliefs and insights and fully dedicating herself to becoming this unbiased individual to the best of her ability.
That is, at least what judges are supposed to be doing- and many do.
Sadly we all know some have since, especialy in the SCOTUS are abandoning this dereliction of duty.
So is the lesson here that someone can just avoid turning over court-ordered content by running the clock out? And that's okay? How can a case go forward like this and no one know until after the fact?
Exactly! I kept thinking it would be addressed and it wasn't. What's the point of playing by the rules then?
@@fellowviewer1095 it’s my belief that they knew they didn’t have a case and were trying to run out the clock so Depp’s team had no standing to make a competent case so they could underhandedly try and win because they knew they didn’t have a case otherwise.
It’s absolutely disgusting. That whole team needs to be investigated and potentially fined or disbarred.
Agreed. in clear cases like this, the machinations to avoid scrutiny should be allowed to be presented to the jury so that they can draw whatever inferences they wish. Deliberately hiding relevant evidence shouldn't be rewarded. In this case it was.
The Clintons have made a career out of this. They tie things up in court for years and when information is finally released they delay responding and when they do they say "that's old news" .
I wonder if her avoidance to hand over the devices is because it could reveal evidence regarding the Australia case.
Wow those were powerful words coming from JD. I think its the first time i heard him speaking that way about AH' character and he's right on point. In the va trial he held back and was a perfect gentleman even while describing painful parts of their past.
Is it possible that Heard didn't pursue the line of argument that pins the blame on her legal counsel because of her arguing defamation from Depp by Waldman? It'd look kind of hypocritical, and might not have sat well with the jury.
Or possibly that she told her legal counsel she wants it to be about Depp and "not about Depp" if that makes sense, which those lawyers would testify to if called upon
@@BAZELnj That kind of statement would be protected by attorney-client privilege I think
Didn’t come out in the court case that those photos of A’s expert turned over were corrupted. I vaguely remember it coming out that her expert used outdated software so that His team couldn’t open the photos. Does anyone else remember that?
I do. AH's team did their best to make him look incompetent. Yet, I thought he did a good job of poking holes in AH's data expert.
Surely AH’s team didn’t call Steven Deuters because they were concerned of cross examination evidence that JD’s team would extract in their favour. Risk vs reward. Perhaps they didn’t think the risk was worth getting the text before the jury.
LOL! As you were reading the motions/excuses regarding the metadata & devices, you shouted “My cat unplugged my internet” and I though you were making fun of AH’s team, as in that was another one of their excuses for failing to turn over devices. As in “my dog ate my homework”, Your Honor!
The thing is Ambers team keep using old version of software to extract data from her phone and laptop, also they were handing data to Johnnys team in unusual ways the format were all old versions, Ambers team were pretty much were trying make the data harder to look into. Usually hackers will do these types tricks when they are trying to manipulate data or confusion in data, for example confusion in data Ambers expert sent Johnnys expert the EXIF data for some pictures indicate they were taken in the 1970s and 1980s, even though EXIF data was not invented until mid 90s. So it sounds like they went out of their way to find a back door to manipulate the data, there were so many widely confusing errors in EXIF just didn’t make sense at all, on top of many things they would send them extracted data and than they wouldn’t provide them the password to the drive. so I can see why Johnnys team want to do this. I can tell ambers data extraction has been definitely been cooked. I don’t know if your going to get the docs that explains why his experts refused some of the extraction data from ambers experts, they mentioned it was tampered with by purposely using old version of software to extract phone and laptop, Ambers expert team were killing Johnnys expert time, using unfit software that takes longer to confirm the legitimate results. Sorry English is not my language, but just looking at the way they are extracting datas smells fishy, and can easily lead to rabbit hole.
Illma Gore might have been the one in charge of data transfer as she self proclaims herself to be a "hacktivist". I know they are two different cases but I have a feeling the same handlers are working with both parties, most likely a lawyer from the ACLU.
That’s so bloody shifty
Yes! I hope people and Emily read this!!
Considering Elaine got in trouble for the mishandling of data in the past, this does not surprise me.
You explained this perfectly, and your wording was good!! English is a crazy language to learn, you did great!
I believe the reason they didn't call Steven is because there was no record of that conversation on his phone
"My cat unplugged my internet!" Cats can be such assholes. I get it. 😂
My dog Constantly wags his tail near my fiancées Xbox and turns it off all the time. He finds it frustrating but I think it’s the funniest thing😂
Your statement "There's not a lot of room to be human" is so very true. Thank you for giving people a place to be human and safe. You are fabulous.
I love your energy, all the time, but I especially love your take on treating humans with humanity. Even if they exhibit a “moral sensibility” less than our own. Everyone has their own story and I share the compassion you have for all the “players in the games” you cover. Keep being awesome! 👊🏻💥
No one on team AH could do anything without Elaine giving the answers!!! Elaine and AH we're just billing hours because they thought the insurance company was paying. All the things AH did during and before JD didn't want to be seen because she's a blackmailer of lots of people. I hope all her past nasty life comes out. Elaine and AH deserve any and everything that comes to them! I can't believe Elaine got away with all she did???
Agree and I think MSM is on AH’s side because of all the dirt she has on some big power hitters. JD is small potatoes, a sacrificial lamb compared to Eyes Wide Shut party people.
@@suebrown7358 YES 1000%
I'm very surprised that Elaine has dipped into Amber's dysfunctionality. I would think at her age, she would be wiser. She has disappointed me.
I can help thinking of the infamous scenario where you end up wrapped into your own parachute while free falling.
@@olympiakallman3561 Unfortunatly being old not always makes you wise.
Your voice is so insanely beautiful you could easily be a super star audio book / documentary narrator and your charisma is astonishingly awesome. Love you and your channel. ❤
I really wish everyone would go through these unsealed documents like you do instead of posting excerpts like it’s truth.
Stephen wouldn't testify for AH. He said him and everyone on Johnny's staff just pacified AH and would say or agree with anything to keep her happy and keeping her from getting angry at Johnny. As heard in the audio from Australia where JJudge is saying we will tell her and agree to anything just to get her on the plane and away from Johnny.
I’m on repeat, it’s 6.06pm in Scotland and I’m on my second whisky!! xx
With regards to Russia’s extreme reaction to the basketball star and weed.
It’s not legal in the U.K., but you’re likely to just get a ticket, not jailed and swapped for an ARMS DEALER. That’s bonkers!
@Emily D Baker: re when you’re reading Stephen Deuters text - earlier in the podcast we learned that this text was never handed over to JD’s team in the same way that other electronic evidence. You also mentioned that Stephen Deuter’s phone was searched and there wasn’t any trace of this text on his phone. I think that’s what @The Real Laura B was trying to tell you.
Exactly so.
Dueters text that says he kicked her has EXACT same time stamp as the previous text he sent, down to the second. That is not possible, it would be at least be a few seconds after to get it wrote out and sent! And they do not match up with stephens phone records like depps team said.
I could be wrong but I was watching Brian from incredibly average and he was on Jaxs you tube page called Movie Myths and Monsters and Dueters was at the UK trial and gave evidence about being on the plane. He said something along the lines of his text was to just appease her as she was Always making something out to be something it was not and was making a drama. Depp told him just to say whatever to keep her from having a drama and that They were ALL on the Plane and she was berating Depp the whole flight and that the kick as she describes it was not what happened. he says he now realises he was being set up. they go into better detail on there. worth a look.
Maybe there was a dip in cellphone service and the messages arrived/got send the moment it was up?
(I havent watched the video yet)
@@kittencatlover156 Interesting. That scenario sounds very on brand for AH. God help anyone who has to deal with that woman or her attorney.
@@alif7903 exactly and on incredibly averages page and jax they go Over the recording in Australia where she cut his finger off and Jerry Judge also says. Ill give her anything to get her the f out of here. He even says he will do a deal with the devil (her)
int the Unravelling threads clip on movie, myths and monsters you tube channel. Its fantastic for details.
@@kittencatlover156 I would 100% believe they’d say whatever just to appease her!!!! Did they talk about the kick text being the exact time stamp? I could see cell signal dipping out, but johnnys team does say it doesn’t show on stephens wbd
Russian here. My guess is that Brittney was made an example because she's gay. Recently Russia has been pushing the "traditional family values", and having a gay basketball player with drugs is a great story for them.
Interesting that she had so many images but none of her gruesome injuries. She testified 100s of thousands.
I hope you get to all the sidebars during dr Hughes testimony and ambers. And sidebars during closing arguments!! Thx for your “show”
Yes! I want a whole episode that is just sidebars!
Andrea Burkhart covered how Heard sent Tremaine a subpoena the night before to compel him and support TMZ’s motion to intervene. You can find it in her UA-cam video on July 17, “Motion to Intervene -Depp Trial Attorney Analysis Part 2 - Morgan Tremaine, Unexpected Good Guy.
Deuters has made multiple statements to media outlets in the last few years that these texts were heavily altered from their original form. That's why they were different format, etc; there were clues such as the repetition of "appalled" and so on, and if you compare them to other texts attributed to him, the wording and structure are wildly different.
I love the love for the replay crew!! Will be watching you Friday live!
Love how you break things down. Also love how your cats were in the background 💗
I love in her 2016 deposition she said “many people” have access to her devices. But can’t name any. I don’t think she had her stuff hacked like she had claimed either. It’s convenient to say as you are plotting to do god knows what to your husband.
Same as her telling 'all' of her doctors about her 'SA' and when asked to provide names, she provided one name and said she didn't know if she told her 🙄
Part of the replay crew today. I’ll be listening on my long commute home. Thank you for making this community a place of thoughtful discussion, and leaving politics and such at the door. Such a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of social platforms. It’s so frustrating and disheartening how many people engage in othering each other because of differing views. At the end of the day, we’re all in this human experience together. At our core, most of us have the same basic needs and wants. The law nerd community gives me hope for humanity.
Hello, I'm part of the rewatch crew herein Australia. 😁👋 I just wanted to say thank you for all of your awesome videos. I've started exercising again after a massive bout of ill health and your videos actually help me get through my gym sessions! I just pop a video on and get shit done! Found you during the DvH trial and I'm afraid you're stuck with me now. 😄 Loving the deep dive into these unsealed documents. Been loving the "snarky" email conversations especially! 😁
The only reason she continually defied court orders to turn over her devices is because nothing the court would do could be WORSE than the fallout of the information contained on said devices becoming public.
i.e. she had some shady, shady shit on there that would have blown her narrative to undeniable smitherines.
me Would it? Today, when everything is in the cloud, and where you can save even the most smashed devices, I would guess it takes more to fully destroy messages and photos. At least if you have the money to hire the best.
@@me-bs2rp throwing or smashing devices, if that happened, wouldn't corrupt the hard drives to the point where even forensic experts couldn't extract data. You'd have to pretty much take a hammer and/or a blow torch to it for it to be unsalvageable
Having seen the Deuters texts, I found something rather interesting. There were two text messages allegedly from Stephen Deuters that came in at the exact same time, right down to the second. One of them is the one that kicking is mentioned. But if you read the entire conversation, it doesn’t flow. Something isn’t right. It looks like it was injected somehow.
Yes!!!
He accepted in the UK trial they were messages he sent
Wait. In the actual response to the motion, Elaine said "Once the Order was issued, counsel for Ms. Heard provided the inventory list that was ordered, and on November 19 began suggesting..." which very much so implies that by November 19, the inventory list had actually been provided. BUT in her email to Camille on November 19, Elaine said that AH's team expected to provide the inventory list "early next week" - ie. had not provided it yet. Just. ELAINE. People can see the fucking dates. Surely if everything else you're saying is correct, then why would you need to misrepresent the dates?
Great point. Thanks for this!
She pledged the list, she uses pledged and provided synonymous with each other
@@comedyblastYT 😂
Love learning about law from you. Never knew I was this interested in the nuances of law. Knew I was kinda nerdy but never realized I loved the subtle and not so subtle aspects.
Amazing analysis of the unsealed documents. I learned so much. Thank you Emily
Steven Deuters most likely placated her. His declaration about the airplane kicking story and the fact his main bodyguard says to placate her or he placated her in Australia on tape makes me think that. They wanted to minimize the chance of her abusing him in any way. Johnny is the type who avoids.
I’ve dealt with someone like this (AH) before, and I can definitely believe that placating was done. Didn’t he admit that he kind of jokingly tapped her with his foot? I keep wondering if they’re saying that was the “kick” because she’s upset about it and want her to stop..?
I think he or someone else said everyone did this when they dealt with her. She made everyone around them miserable
@@nikit0r in Deuters deposition he said they did have a fight or more her yelling at him and at one point he tapped her shoe in a playful way. The way I read it or took it, it was like a child after getting yelled at by their mum they try in some way checking the temperature(as in are we good again or if I do sth cute or funny she won‘t be angry anymore). He could not have kicked her from his sitting position but to her this tapping was disrespectful and became a kick in the back. If you read the depo and then the texts from May 2016 right before the TRO you can see she has a pattern. She does sth yet she starts texting all sorts of ppl saying JD did sth. This fits to the recording saying she has texts to her family/friends cooperating her stories(it‘s the one audio were she says „and then the plan is to put makeup on and take pics of the bruises).
@@Indigo565 yes
@@Sweetsour_ Thanks! I wasn’t sure where I heard that from, or what exactly was said. That’s kinda the gist I got, was that it was just a playful thing. And I can totally see how she could either distort it as aggressive, or use it as a “gotcha” somehow. There’s definitely a pattern of what actually happens vs how she spins/retells (or reacts to) it..
Every time is see Fred I tear up because he reminds me of my beautiful moggy Ging who was sadly run over a few years ago. To say I was devastated is an understatement
AH and EB make me think of that kid in school who says the teacher hates them and that's why they're failing and the mom's backing them up.
Hearing you read the document about things that happened in 2015 makes me realize how long this crap's been going on
The subpoena was issued by Heard’s team so that hopefully TMZ would be able to stop him from testifying.
I love listening to your voice while working!! Thank you for being so informative and entertaining all at the same time, Emily. This Depp and Heard issue is like a gift that keeps on giving, sadly!!
Well one good thing about being late for Live is being early for replay crew LOLOL
When you pack to travel you make sure what's in you suitcases. In the US it's illegal to transport drugs also.
I didn’t realise Heard’s legal team were this difficult in terms of producing documents/text messages.
Thanks!
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FYI ALL: The text between Stephen D. And AH specifically about "he feels awful" about what he did etc. That DID come in!!! I clearly remember watching that during the trial LIVE. Not all of it came in but that part, in particular, was discussed in court in VA.
Exactly. Depp testified Mr. D said those things to placate her. And also testified it was a playful tap not a kick. I don't think this point was ever argued about once Heard took the stand though. Problem is without Mr. D depo or the text in question it's basically he said she said.
They didn’t call him because a text that came out from Deuters used in the UK trial was:
“Sociopathic show pony. Machiavellian overlord. Talentless c-t,” Deuters wrote in one message about Heard in 2016 after she and Depp split, the court was told.”
Deuters did not like AH per various texts messages he sent to others not just Depp.
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I'm a black woman, 57 years old. I got a purple rinse last month. Emily inspired me. I love it!
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George and Fred must love to hear your voice so they hang out in your office as much as they can, just like your audience does.
Thank you Emily. Awesome coverage as usual. You are a bright & clever light. Have a great weekend!
27:14 If I recall correctly, Stephen Deuters was set to testify, but was excluded when his wife, Gina (?), was excused from court because of Eve Barlowe's little stunt. Of course we don't know for sure, but he was supposed to testify for Johnny and word had it that he was going to debunk the kick on the plane thing.
Thanks Emily for going through this in such an easy to digest way. You are an inspiration ✨️
You're so welcome!
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