Yeh David. I try to be frugal when I can too. Almost all my foam comes from electronic packing. I'm constantly picking up feathers and other junk trying to see if I can incorporate them into my tying. I get most of my deer/elk/pheasant/turkey from hunting. I applaud you for using ingenuity. Tight lines friend
Nice video,great little fly,here in S. Oregon,my favorite variation is a brown vernille/ultra-chenille,tied with a copper or copper brown bead,great little off color water,high water searching pattern.
No criticism on thread from me. I say use what ye've got handy, cat hair, dog hair, I've used my trimmed beard hair. Song bird feathers picked up in the yard. But my favorite thread is spooled embroidery thread from Walmart. I use it to tie flies and also to build fishing rods. It's purity and shiny, and polyester. It grips everything it's wrapped around better than the few "specialized" threads I've got. Very cheap and handy to get ahold of.
lmao. I honestly was thinking the same, I just had to read it from someone before commenting.. I am also from Michigan so I walk the river up and down and found some really colorful feathers. But I do use anything that I come across. Most of my flies are junky but they catch as well as any professional tyers. Great Job
Ivan Valentin. I'm from E. Tennessee, so I reckon our: yours, Dave's and my, simple ideas of a, really uncomplicated past time, is purity much universal. Pro fly tiers' techniques and unlimited list of material are fine and good, but most of us ain't pros. Making use of what's at hand is purity much our heritage around here, and I enjoy it. How many folks have missed the joy of fly tying, because they were intimidated by not thinking (basic)? Hair, feathers, and thread all ye need, and it can be got anywhere. If nothing else is at hand, unravel the seam out of yer britches leg and pick a couple blades of grass. It's a hobby, not a religion.
Nicely said guys. I’ve used my girlfriend’s hair cuttings trimmed and converted into dubbing and it works just fine! That said I’ve picked up plenty of second-hand feathers from the park etc that were useless. Seagull is one..... tried for lots of things but they don’t hold up like the old tried and tested pheasant! lol
david that is amazin your worm pattern catches fish,,,im from scotland and i dont think the fish here in the rivers would look at that,,unbelievable good onn ya
They will Lee, I'm Scottish too. Basically most folk in the UK are way too conservative about fly choice in rivers. Tie a few smaller ones and give them a go
im new to tying flies and I also use sewing thread- they have a boat load of metallic thread at joanns that I love. you said in your video you like to use some fly tying specific materials and try to get the rest at more reasonable prices- im wondering- which items do you find are better to buy the fly tying type of vs generic? like sewing thread vs fly tying thread, etc
Dry fly hackle feathers are about the only thing that I would consider a definite fly tying material specific purchase. Almost everything else can be sourced elsewhere, at least to tie generic flies. If you are trying to tie a biot bodied fly for example, you would need some biots, which as far as I know, are only found in fly shops/fly tying suppliers. But stuff like thread, chenille, dubbing, furs and feathers for streamer flies, rubbing material, and weights and beads need not be purchased from a fly shop.
@@geebee3dyour local craft store/ craft aisles in walmart have 80% of what you need tbh. I’d definitely get stuff like thread, hackle, and dubbing/ worm material from fly shops though
Fish eat worms..plain and simple. Not my favorite flies but sometimes you just HAVE to trust them. These are tried and true patterns. Tie um in different colors. Only advice.... On thread, sewing thread is OK on some flies..like worms. But I would never use it for most. I tie midges in 18 - 28. Sewing thread is far too rough. The thread has to lay flat to obtain the thin body of a midge. Veevus 14/0 or tiemco 16/0 works fabulously. When tying deer/elk hair I like ultra thread in 140 denier. Lays flat if you unwind it and is plenty strong enough to really bind the hair down tight. Egg yarn patterns work much easier with GSP thread. So strong you can break off heavy wire hooks before the thread breaks. My favorite all around threads are uni 8/0 or ultra thread 70 denier. Sewing thread is useful but don't restrict yourself. Just remember...most fish are fooled by presentation..then proper fly size. When in doubt..go small. Just my 2¢.
ranawayfromsanity Thanks for the tip. I agree that having different thread types for different flies is probably ideal, but I'm the type that likes to find creative ways of doing them on a limited budget. But again, you are probably right about midges.
can you use this type of worm in the winter in the northeast in a river when the ice is frozen? (fly fish it) Thanks for the video I'm gonna tie my own now
Love the San Juan. But i gotta say, I think your flies would look a little neater (not that it's always necessary) if you used specialized fly tying thread.
best san juan involves no tying, just a piece of chenile and rig the hook 1/2 inch below the chenile which is tied on the line with simple knot. always hooks the trout properly and a much better presentation
Nice variations - love the addition of the bead!
Yeh David. I try to be frugal when I can too. Almost all my foam comes from electronic packing. I'm constantly picking up feathers and other junk trying to see if I can incorporate them into my tying. I get most of my deer/elk/pheasant/turkey from hunting. I applaud you for using ingenuity. Tight lines friend
ranawayfromsanity you too! :-)
Nice video,great little fly,here in S. Oregon,my favorite variation is a brown vernille/ultra-chenille,tied with a copper or copper brown bead,great little off color water,high water searching pattern.
Awesome vids
Great variations!
Simply and very effective fly, works great on carp when they tailing in the shallows too.
No criticism on thread from me. I say use what ye've got handy, cat hair, dog hair, I've used my trimmed beard hair. Song bird feathers picked up in the yard. But my favorite thread is spooled embroidery thread from Walmart. I use it to tie flies and also to build fishing rods. It's purity and shiny, and polyester. It grips everything it's wrapped around better than the few "specialized" threads I've got. Very cheap and handy to get ahold of.
lmao. I honestly was thinking the same, I just had to read it from someone before commenting.. I am also from Michigan so I walk the river up and down and found some really colorful feathers. But I do use anything that I come across. Most of my flies are junky but they catch as well as any professional tyers. Great Job
Ivan Valentin. I'm from E. Tennessee, so I reckon our: yours, Dave's and my, simple ideas of a, really uncomplicated past time, is purity much universal. Pro fly tiers' techniques and unlimited list of material are fine and good, but most of us ain't pros. Making use of what's at hand is purity much our heritage around here, and I enjoy it. How many folks have missed the joy of fly tying, because they were intimidated by not thinking (basic)? Hair, feathers, and thread all ye need, and it can be got anywhere. If nothing else is at hand, unravel the seam out of yer britches leg and pick a couple blades of grass. It's a hobby, not a religion.
Nicely said guys. I’ve used my girlfriend’s hair cuttings trimmed and converted into dubbing and it works just fine! That said I’ve picked up plenty of second-hand feathers from the park etc that were useless. Seagull is one..... tried for lots of things but they don’t hold up like the old tried and tested pheasant! lol
Great video - Most helpful.
Well, David! I've never done any fly fishing! It sounds like I need to give it a go, my friend!
david that is amazin your worm pattern catches fish,,,im from scotland and i dont think the fish here in the rivers would look at that,,unbelievable good onn ya
Thanks! :-)
They will Lee, I'm Scottish too. Basically most folk in the UK are way too conservative about fly choice in rivers. Tie a few smaller ones and give them a go
cheers tho martin ill defo give them a crack
it helps to burn the ends of the chenille
I was dipping mine in clear nail polish to keep them together, burning sounds like a great alternative to that, thanks!
90% of my fishing is with a fly rod. It's just too addictive :-)
im new to tying flies and I also use sewing thread- they have a boat load of metallic thread at joanns that I love.
you said in your video you like to use some fly tying specific materials and try to get the rest at more reasonable prices- im wondering- which items do you find are better to buy the fly tying type of vs generic? like sewing thread vs fly tying thread, etc
Dry fly hackle feathers are about the only thing that I would consider a definite fly tying material specific purchase. Almost everything else can be sourced elsewhere, at least to tie generic flies.
If you are trying to tie a biot bodied fly for example, you would need some biots, which as far as I know, are only found in fly shops/fly tying suppliers.
But stuff like thread, chenille, dubbing, furs and feathers for streamer flies, rubbing material, and weights and beads need not be purchased from a fly shop.
@@geebee3dyour local craft store/ craft aisles in walmart have 80% of what you need tbh. I’d definitely get stuff like thread, hackle, and dubbing/ worm material from fly shops though
Fish eat worms..plain and simple. Not my favorite flies but sometimes you just HAVE to trust them. These are tried and true patterns. Tie um in different colors. Only advice.... On thread, sewing thread is OK on some flies..like worms. But I would never use it for most. I tie midges in 18 - 28. Sewing thread is far too rough. The thread has to lay flat to obtain the thin body of a midge. Veevus 14/0 or tiemco 16/0 works fabulously. When tying deer/elk hair I like ultra thread in 140 denier. Lays flat if you unwind it and is plenty strong enough to really bind the hair down tight. Egg yarn patterns work much easier with GSP thread. So strong you can break off heavy wire hooks before the thread breaks. My favorite all around threads are uni 8/0 or ultra thread 70 denier. Sewing thread is useful but don't restrict yourself. Just remember...most fish are fooled by presentation..then proper fly size. When in doubt..go small. Just my 2¢.
ranawayfromsanity Thanks for the tip. I agree that having different thread types for different flies is probably ideal, but I'm the type that likes to find creative ways of doing them on a limited budget. But again, you are probably right about midges.
can you use this type of worm in the winter in the northeast in a river when the ice is frozen? (fly fish it)
Thanks for the video I'm gonna tie my own now
Do you use head cement with your whip finish or is that overkill?
Where are you from in Southern Michigan? I'm from there as well
Love the San Juan. But i gotta say, I think your flies would look a little neater (not that it's always necessary) if you used specialized fly tying thread.
Suggestion:
Cut the chenille to length first and you will not waste any!
Whats have one one fish hoog to fall to save safe.
Do you have to use a bate hook can you use a fly hook don't think I'm a beginner I have tied some Flys
You can use whatever you want. These hooks work great for me, but I would always encourage experimenting. You may have an even better hook in mind.
Bait*
You’re okay to use em for wets in my opinion, since you’re sinking the fly anyway. Dries you need dedicated fly hooks IMO
What size rook
best san juan involves no tying, just a piece of chenile and rig the hook 1/2 inch below the chenile which is tied on the line with simple knot. always hooks the trout properly and a much better presentation
i use sewing thread aswell
TheMrrojcewicz Yeah, I honestly rarely use my "real" fly thread anymore :-)
its easier than going to a fly shop when you can get sewing thread easier
Why are u spending spring time fly fishing for panfish and bass..... if you are in Mi go steelheading it will test your skills
U are a beginner 4 sure.
U forgot to tie in your gold beed. It can come right off.
But not bad for a beginner. 🙂