4080 super levels of performance for 500 dollars is completely reasonable, Nvidia has just brainwashed everyone into paying double the price they should have to for a card.
@@pixeltaco9782 those cards take a lot of time and money to make amd would have to cut a lot of corners like paying workers less to lower the manufacturing cost which isn’t a good thing
@@nate8738 From what I saw, it costs Nvidia 300 some dollars to make a 4080. maybe at 500 they are breaking even or having a small profit, but that might be what it takes to gain market share.
If the 7000 series was really 30 percent under the design goals due to a design flaw, getting at least 4070TI Super performance in the 8800XT is reasonable. If it adds AI upscaling, doubles the ray tracing performance over 7800XT and cost 500 bucks, I'm buying one. I'm really hoping that the new goal of building market share means that they won't make pricing mistakes like they did with the 7900XT.
AMD never misses the chance to miss a chance ain't no way AMD will pull this off 💀 IF they're able to give us a $500 gpu with 4080 level performance then they'll have a chance to gain market share
to be honest, They need to do something like this. GET REALLY GOOD CARDS AT REALLY GOOD VALUE INTO PEOPLES HANDS! They need to sell millions of them! Otherwise, developers will just stick with Nvidia and dlss. NO reason to implement amd tech when only 20% or less of market has those cards....
There is zero chance of that happening with the 8800 in the wake of their partner Sony announcing PS5 pro for $700 (which is basically built on AMD hardware)
But with more VRAM 😅 12GB is very tight for my taste. Edit: but when I think about it, we already have a RTX4070 equivalent for 300. it’s the RX6800 (used)
@@kisspeteristvan nvidia gets insane margins on those cards. amd certainly wouldn't be losing money selling those cards at 500 or 600 bucks, even with overhead costs.
This is AMD. 7800xt which is the true 7700xt was effectively a 6800xt in performance. They also made ridiculous claims about 7900xtx being 70% faster than 6950xt and 5800xt beating raptorlake or zen 5 matching zen 4 x3d. 8800xt will likely be between 7800xt and 7900 gre with better ray tracing
unfortunately this is my guess as well. I think slightly below a 7900 xt isn't outlandish either. However the leaks saying 4080/7900xtx performance are laughable
I believe this strategy could fall flat without improvement in the accompanying features, such as the visual quality of FSR, ray tracing performance and the stability of drivers. They already have good value gpus that do not sell well due to these reasons.
Nvidia is doing the same "we got much more perf...30-40-50-70%" when i real u get a bit more 10 or maybe 20% but pay 50 to a 100% more for extra 20fps, same fuck just green sticker :))
@@commonsense-og1gz 7900 gre from 6800 xt was an abysmal generational uplift. That's why I think it makes sense that the 7900 xt was the real 6800 xt successor. Regardless...we just want better products for the money with better efficiency when doing low-compute and graphical requirement tasks like browsing youtube or playing pixel games
I can honestly say, I don't know a single gamer that doesn't turn ray tracing off, so when are the manufactures going to finally drop that, except on the top tier GPUs?
I guess the problem is that good RT performance is the only decent selling point of nvidia over amd, and it's a good one since those amd idiots are selling cards with way lower RT performance for literally the same price (and I'm an amd user but amd cards are just as overpriced as nvidias) so from both companies there's strong incentive to improve RT performance. I. E. Ray tracing is the only thing competition is actually improving
Nvidia is good at turning gimmicks nobody in the real world uses into selling points. Let's see if this one sticks or will it go the way of physx and 100x tessallation.
@@lucazani2730 The most important thing that NVidia has over AMD is DLSS. FSR can't compare in its current iteration. RT for most people is just a gimmick.
I always say most gamers don't bother with RT and it is a gimmick but every time I do there is always one kid who comes in screaming how important Rt really is and I'm only mad because my 7900 XT can't play RT. It doesn't matter how many time i tell him i don't care about RT, he will just continue.
The problem with "Mid Range" is that this word doesn't mean the same as it did 10 years ago... a Mid Range card is a solid 500$~600$ nowadays. 200$~300$ is the new "Entry level"
I'll stick with AMD. I have had both, and honestly, I can't tell the difference between 100 fps, and 105 fps. As long as my games I choose to play, play well, I'll pick the less expensive option. AMD has never let me down.
Equip your PC with metering software that can show you GPU Hot Spot temperature. If the hot spot temperature exceeds 100 degrees, it's time to undervolt (but Linus has wrong tutorial). Also, limit FPS to 60 and your card will last for many years.
Wait for your favorite reviewers to the rdna 4 cards, they will test them and then they will present the data, anything that comes from AMD about performance is just noise.
we're not taking them at their "word" through leaks through channels like MLID anymore. I'm guessing the 8800x will be somewhere around 7900 GRE or 7900 xt performance. Any more than that and it's too unrealistic for the 500-600 USD price (MSRP). With great power efficiency, low power usage at idle/video playback etc as well as the supposed RT improvements, this could be a solid, budget-oriented product. If it doesn't deliver, this will likely be the worst generation in a while when it comes to price/performance.
AMD's marketing department should be hung, drawn and quartered. They hype up the GPUs to the point where nothing can live up to it. The products are solid, but they fall so far behind the hype that they come across as disappointments. I like the Radeon 7800 XT - it's a good GPU, and they didn't hype it beyond its performance, unlike with the 7900 XT and XTX. As for the Radeon 8800 XT, I'm expecting performance slightly above the 7900 GRE, but not up to 7900 XT levels.
I'd just like to see something truly midrange in the $200-300 segment again. The 7600 and 4060 just aren't exciting cards - I'm talking more VRAM and better RT performance if possible.
Not sure that will happen. But if you do buy a high end card, and can get 4k graphics. You are pretty much none. Not alot of reasons to up grade, better ray tracing, etc.
Two reasons and doesnt have high end rdna 4 1. Can get the mcm model working. Rdna 4 is rumored to be monolithic 2. Ps5 pro needs only the current rdna 4 specs AMD at the end of the day is a corporate entity beholden only to its shareholders and bottom line. It will sell the product for the highest cost they think they can get away with. So if it sells a 4080 level card for 500 (which i personally don't think will happen just look at 7900xtx launch) it's probably because market doesn't allow for a costlier version of rdna4. This attitude that AMD is some company which somehow saves us from Nvidia by giving gamers value for money gpus need to change. The moment they can hike the price they will and there are plenty of instances when they did.
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/ (like 100-150 USD more than in US :/)
@christiantos Ray tracing is useless on games maybe only at Cyberpunk but RNDA 4 will improve the ray tracing so its fine tbh and we have soon also the fsr 3.1 so we dont care about ur dlss
@@vvhitevvizard_also it will have increased RT performance (I don't know if anyone cares about RT but still) and especially if it's a different product indipendent reviewers will test it and talk about it. It's like the 4080 super which was just a 4080 discounted. But by releasing a new product they got the tech press to talk about it. It's not that stupid actually
Back when the 5700XT came out, it sold well on value alone. But today it's about the whole package. They need not only good value cards up against Nvidia but software stack that can compete. Only then will the mainstream take notice. Oh and way better marketing to those people. Ryzen didn't get where it is by being the same as intel, but cheaper.
How many % of users use these advanced features? 10-15%? Most mainstream gamers wan't a card that holds up 3-4years with 60+ fps. I have a 7800xt, am i using all those extra features? nope... Just SAM because i have a 5800x3d. So Give ppl raw performance for $350-$400 and ppl will buy! If the 7800xt would have been priced $200 lower, it would be the best selling card of the amd 7xxx/nvidia 4xxx series. Honestly, what more do you need than game 3-4y on your hardware you buy? It goes a long way! :)
5700 XT was a good card. Still is. Finally, it looks like they will have hardware upscaling this gen (PS5 Pro has it anyway) and if that works well with vastly improved RT, they will gain market share. I might jump ship.
if rdna 4 really turns out great in terms of pricing and performance i am willing to buy a 8700xt or 8800xt , currently running on cpu integrated graphics
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/
It doesn't help when Window 10&11 consumer versions restrict AMD CPU ang GPU performance. When AMD does their testing, it's done with a Non consumer version of Windows and this is why AMD show a bigger gain than content creators get. I wonder how much Nvidia pays Microsoft to do this
The RX 8800XT matching the RTX 4080 in performance would be a big challenge, since it's going to be 64 compute units, similar to the 7800XT 60 CU, and on a similar node. They need 50% performance improvement to reach there. If it was 3nm with a big frequency increase I could see it being much more plausible, but it's going to be all architecture work
AMD has one major advantage in my eyes: open source drivers and software. I have since long left Windows for Linux and are embracing open source. AMD is now my first choice.
I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but here in Germany we are currently experiencing the decline of the economy. This is associated with more and more company bankruptcies and mass redundancies. In addition, inflation is still high and prices for food and energy continue to rise. As a result, the average gamer like me is thinking twice before buying a new graphics card. I bought my last graphics card, an RX 6700 XT, cheaply on the second-hand market. And I will continue to use this graphics card for the next few years, as our disposable income is more important for everyday things. From my point of view, it therefore makes sense that AMD is targeting the entry-level market.
Same here with 3060ti. Also, the new game releases are so bad, i reevaluated my approach and decided to stick with old games i already own - there is plenty of them for me to enjoy.
You started making shity car and you destroyed your own economy by closing the power plants. What did you expect going to happen? In 10 years 80% of the car are going to be Chinese.
Sad to watch how Germany is destroying it's own economy and eu is destroying the economy of all the union in general. In 10 years 80% of the car going to be Chinese.
I would be happy if AMD could make a GPU with gre raster performance, xtx ray tracing performance, a proper AI upscaler that has custom anti aliasing that can fix the issues caused by taa. I'd pay like $600 for that.
That want happen until rdna 5 because there want be a high end rdna4 main think rdna 4 will be cheaper and better raytracing basically the ps5 pro what im thinking
We get what we deserve, I've been PC gamer since 2003, and at least from 2006 I remember nVidia always out selling ATi then AMD cards, sometimes it was due to Radeon being crap like with HD2000 or with RX Fury / Vega but most other times people just refused to buy AMD, a company needs money to invest and develop stuff, it's not a surprise that eventually nVidia got so far ahead, I fear that this is just the start, in few years they will be in low end and then probably leave the market all together.....
An 4080 super at 500$ is insane and I honestly don’t believe em. I bought an 4080S got tired of waiting and don’t wanna deal with the scalping bs of 50 series. I got my tuf edition 40$ off with Black myth wukong was hard to beat
@@vvhitevvizard_ after a lil over 1000$ with my purchase I’m definitely not planning on buying for a lonnnggg time I already went 5 years with an 2060 super with this big uplift probably won’t be interesting into another 6-8 years
1. I dont believe AMD numbers anymore. Whatever they're saying will need to be tested and validated, and revised 10 or 20% BELOW their numbers. 2. They will be greedy, and mid range now is 4070S approx 600US. Their 8800XT will be priced 600US. No way they price it lower. 3. Even if they fix RT, which quite honesly isn't a real problem as only very high end can run RT properly (4070Ti and above), the CUDA problem remains. Rocm needs to be seamless as CUDA is right now when working on AI stuff. To put the above points in one sentence, here's what AMD will do: 1. They will believe their own numbers, 2. price the card accordingly, and 3. forget they're not offering the same quality overall as their competitor. And they'll fail.
Seems to forget something. RT isn't broken. Upscaller isn't an issue, the old one does. Performance isn't an issue. Game spitting on AMD does. PT performance of AMD is terrible. RT is sweet. But only when you're in the mid range. At a higher range all Nvidia cards are better. You can and I can simply do a raster test to see that my 7800XT (Qick 319) explode the world record of 4070 while running at near stock core clock, and also beat 4070super avg (Note than in France, 4070 is ±600€. 4070ti super is near 1000€). I run a RT test (Port Royal, Solar Bay) and still beat the 4070 (not the OC/world record tho. I run a PT test. And even the 4070 beat the 7900GRE. While running DLSS and XeSS tests, all tests are the latest. The FSR test however is in 2.0. Do you know how old FSR2.0 is ? Same for 2.1. The greatest issue with AMD card and CPU is based settings.
Like almost any 5000/6000/7000 series card could boost between ±500MHz than stock speed (not boost clock, base clock) and near ±200-500MHz in memory speed compare to base memory clock speed. For CPU. 9700X actually outperforms the 7800X3D (with a bit of tuning and being 100% stable). However it does consume more power. But hey. When the i9-14900K everyone was saying it's better even if it consumes more power so we won't brag about more power ? So yeah. The biggest issue is that almost every card and CPU are massively below what they can do. Sometimes it's the game. Sometimes it's windows, Windows was always known to favorite Intel. Just need to compare pure theorical performance between nanometers size of transistors, L1/L2/L3 size. Latency. Threads. And core speed. To see that AMD should beat Intel even more. Windows update boosts Ryzen performance by sometimes over 50% 🤨
1. AMD "we tested it with great results" 2. Nvidia sees and updates their software (such as Physx, Hairworks, etc) to tank non-Nvidia performance 3. Gamers "Booo AMD big liar"
I mean can't really blame AMD solely, sure they overshoot on what their chipsets are actually capable of but most of the performance issues lately have been proven to be an issue on the OS side, specifically Windows.
At the end of the day, once you get AMD, you always have "until how long will they support this card since they keep changing architecture?"
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It would be master plan if the price was $499 but I seriously doubt that AMD will not overprice it and then panic drop prices after short couple of months due to lackluster sales.
Yes AMD clown marketing. AMD win massive market share with Ryzen and offering low prices. The fact they don't do this with GPUs is laughable. They should of launched the Rx 7900xt at 600, then hyped it up as matching the 3090ti in raster with their marketing
If it actually meets those prices and performance targets I'll get one. No question. If it's $599 and/or below those targets? I'll wait for the 5070. The 5070 is rumoured to be $599 and will frankly beat it on both feature set and performance. Even if the 5070 is $699, they'll be on par for price to performance.
@@peter2liter 12gb isn't really a barrier at present, and while it WILL eventually become one I don't think that's happening in 2025. Yes, you can deliberately push some games with some features to 12gb reserved vram even at 1080, but those examples are pretty badly optimised. Plus, Nvidia has always been more memory efficient than AMD, so a 12gb barrier will tend to hit an 8700XT harder than a 4070 Ti or 5070. Also, just matching last generation's RT capability is gonna mean very little when 2025's path tracing based games come out. Be sure that Nvidia will have some other feature that will one up AMD too, and likely an upgraded DLSS too. $599 is really the absolute upper end of where a mid range card that doesn't even match their own previous generation cards, let alone Nvidia's ones, can be priced at. Realistically it's gotta be a $549 card to be a middling experience, and $499 to be a good product.
Even true 4080 super performance with a decent amount of vram on the card at $650 would sell well. With rumors just dropping a bit ago that Nvidia leaks are talking possibly as high as $2500 for a 5090 32gb and $1500 for a 5080 16gb as worse case scenario pricing there is a lot of room for a reasonable priced card at 4080 super levels. It is the gaming studios that in the end will drive what GPU's will be desired by the gamers as the better the new game releases perform on more affordable hardware the more gamers that with solid mid range PC's may be willing to buy the title. There is absolutely no excuse that a new game title cannot be optimized to run very high game settings on a vanilla 4070 tiered GPU without needing frame generation to run a smooth playable FPS. When a game is released that requires a top tier GPU like an 80 or 90 series along with needing to run DLSS to generate playable frame rates then if the gaming community REFUSED to buy the title and the studio was losing its a$$ then you would see games optimized for good performance on the level of gear that most gamers actually own rather than releasing games in such a poor state of optimization. Put part of the blame where it belongs on the gaming studios for releasing games that to a degree that only offer the really good gaming experience if you own the top tier PC hardware.
I believe AMD is making a serious mistake by leaving the race to the top, because usually the "top dog" sets the tone, therefore leading the market and setting standards. And the message it sends it's that they are quitting. I believe they're gonna lose even more marketshare with this move.
I am panning to buy a 5070 and if you look at last 3-4 gen it should have the performance of a 4080. So for me to go buy AMD 8800XT it needs to be at least $150+ cheaper than 5070. Or if AMD wants to sell around $50 cheaper than NVIDIA they really need to step up in their provide similar or better quality in (Encoding+RayTracing+Upscaling).
Every pre-release period is the same. People dream way too much and overhype whatever AMD's new products then proceed to criticize those same products relentlessly when they obviously don't match the public's absurd expectations. A $500 Navi 48 might not even match the RX 7900 XT and there are already people hoping for a $400~$300 RTX 4070/RX 7800 XT.
Currently on a RX 6650 XT and starting to feel the underwhelm at 1440p high-end games (Cyberpunk 2077, FF16 etc.). Up until recently I was interested in getting an RX7000 series card but with RX8000 "around the corner", I must resist!
Same boat here, I picked up a 5700xt Phantom for $120 over a year ago with plans to upgrade to a 6700xt but then the 7800xt released. I let it's initial price wind down below $500 and read about the 8800xt in the $500 range which was originally thought to be a fall release so I held off, now apparently a Q1 2025 release I guess I will wait a little longer. Will it beat the 4080? Maybe but if it is just on par with the 7900xt I would be happy at $500 very happy if it runs with a 7900xtx. Look into undervolting that 6650xt. It has similar performance to my 5700xt which with an undervolt, slight overclock and power increased a bit I achieved a 30-40% fps gain "there are lots of guides out there, my whole system runs smoother, cooler and I am very happy with it".
for me, its CUDA. ZLUDA is not finished and already stopped, and AMD just isnt as fast in AI workloads. that being said, im using a 6800xt, but my next card might be nvidia in 2 years from now if i dont see any headway in the ai space.
These products are not created from one month to another no matter what the new chief guy wants, this strategy can be declared now and implemented in a few years, starting with the design of the chips. I think they did a analysis on Blackwell chip, on what products NVidia can generate from this chip, compared to their new chip, determined they cannot compute with NVidia and now they want save faces with products with very, very low margins and hope NVidia won't say "they did what with price on mid range products? ok, match their price with an added +10%, we can afford the loss".
On that note, In terms of Raster XTX can easily beat 4080 their edge is their DLSS that can help RT's performance. It will soon change when FSR4 comes. Based on the PSSR in PS5 Pro. I am confident Radeon can compete this with their AI based upscaling.
9:38 No BS there. Having the console market doesn't necessarily mean things are optimized for AMD. Quite frankly, the impact of DirectX, Vulkan and Windows is not to be underestimated. The same game will require a decently different approach to implementing on PC with AMD GPU vs Consoles. Both consoles SDK and DevKit are creating a sizable difference in approach for GameDev. And it's not quite the obvious stuff. So yes, it helps, but it is a different experience. I think people ignore that part quite a lot and assume "AMD Console = they have the gaming segment to themselves" followed by "why can't AMD product perform better on PC; they have the consoles?!". In short, AMD needs to be better AND have more focus on helping developers using their hardware and SDK on PC. That's what he is talking about. It does make sense. PS. Okay, it's late and I may not be making much sense. Caring on.
I have always needed to be frugal with money and AMD has had the best price to performance and the longest socket support and has had my loyalty for 30yrs+ because of that. I had an 1100x black edition cpu that I ran for 15 years and outlasted 2 cases and 3 MOBOs the last one was an EATX with 3way crossfire that had no problem running Elite dangerous, E.V.E., W.O.W., and FS15,17,19 and many other games with no issues
If January was going to be something big for AMD, this would be labeled as the first UDNA rather than RDNA4. The good news for 7000 and 8000 series cards is precisely that AMD is going to be forced to focus on software and maximizing their capabilities on that front in order to stay remotely relevant at all.
This is smart. People with big pockets will pay for a 4090 but most people dont buy flagships. the most popular video card used on steam is a 3060 by far. my current card a 6800xt wich now is considered low end is faster than a 3060. most people upgrade to an affordable card so this may be a smart way to gain some market share.
You just denied your own point man. The 3060 8GB (more like 3050 ti) being the most popular eventhough AMD offers better equivalent just shows how wrong this move is. Unless you at least compete for the best, you are inferior and people will take that into consideration when buying, hence the unreasonable 3060 8GB popularity...
knowing AMD, you 100% know that they won't do that as nearly all gamers still buy NVidia and that is like 80-85% of us. Leaks suggest that the 8700/8800 XT will only have 7900 XT performance equivalent to a 4070 Ti
I think the whole focus on the mid tier claim is not a big as ppl may think. What would change with the RX 7900 XTX vs RTX4080 we have now? AMD already left the top tier (vs 4090) and can't compete vs the RTX4080 in RT gaming. BUT, this does not say the RX 7900XTX is a bad card as it shows nice performance in non RT gaming. So if the RT8800 XT(X) wil be on the same level so that it can still compete with a RTX5080 for gamers that don't care about the RT, then it will be similar to the current gen. And that would be good for the RTX5080 pricing.
A lot of this comes down to FSR vs DLSS. New games are leaning heavily on these features, to the point where they're on by default and can represent over 50% of the fps. Currently FSR is not as good as DLSS, which is a huge drawback for AMD.
Yeah, as a 6700XT owner this is easily the biggest drawback on AMD cards. It almost feels like it's been getting worse too, but I wouldn't recommend anyone use FSR below like, 1440p quality settings or 4k balanced (maybe 4k performance if you're playing on a TV). Path tracing is the future but I don't think it should be the focus right now. Getting a better upscaler, even if it's locked to new hardware, should be a huge priority. If it's any indication, the PS5 Pro's RDNA 4 GPU should be pretty good at not-path traced RT at least.
@@Torso6131 Yeah, I'm not sure if AMD will put a lot of effort in the discrete GPU market. They are dominating consoles and handhelds, so it makes sense developing for those markets. I think they'll also be very invested in competing on AI tech. They don't have as much money to throw around as Nvidia either.
If it's "just a 7900xt-ish", why'd they even bother making it? All the cost of designing and implementing a new architecture would offset the tiny benefits..I suspect at least the rt boost will be significant and raw performance would have to surpass the 7900xt or it would be another AMD shot in the foot.
The 8800xt seems like a refresh of the 7800xt which is a refresh of the 6800xt. They have done this before and they will do it again. Efficiency improves but not by much. Heck it is still expecte to use GDDR6 so tell me how it is going to be 4080 performance? Good luck.
8800xt with 4080 performance for 500 bucks?! I MAY be convinced to put my ASUS tuf oc back in its box for this price…. Or wait for it to drop to 400? AMD is giving me an excuse to upgrade honestly.
Would have liked to have upgraded to RX 7000 but there wasn't any compelling upgrade from my RX 6000. Now I learn they are giving up on the high end so this 4070 TI Super is going to be with me for a while. If AMD make cards that end up as popular as the RX 6700 XT and the RX 6800 XT then at least I can recommend them to friends and family.
yeah , had same thing for me friend. Had 3070ti, during shortage I was so sick the scalping, I got it for 1250. Well when amd and nvidia resleased cards , in 2023, the 4070 ti 12 gb was 800 dollars, NVIDIA LOST ME THERE. I was so upset so I got a 24 GB 7900xtx for 1000 instead. I like it, but i hate FSR compared to DLSS now days. I was so sick of nvidia at that point, i mean come on, every review said the same, 4070 ti only 12 gb for 800 dollars was an insane joke! And 4080 for 1200 was stupid. I couln't wait for new card,,, had I waited, I would have gotten 4080 super for 1000. Nvidia was stupid, they should have sold original 4080 for 1000, and 4070ti 12 gb for 600. but nooo , they had to be greedy and insane. If the 4080 was 1000 and the 4070ti super 16 gb was 800 back in 2023, I wouldnt have left nvidia...
I at least expect it to reach the level of the 7900 XT, even on the Xtx, RX 4080. First, it is rumored that the clock speed will reach 2.9 MHz. Second: memory speed 20 Gbps.They can increase power consumption to over 300w. RX 8800 XT has 64 CU (4096 steam processors). This will be an increase of about 30% over the 7800 XT. Price: between 500-600$
Great assessment of the matter that I mostly agree with. AMD seemingly doesn't get the issue here. Yes the fact they are lacking on the software side is there but that's not the biggest issue. They had and still have potent cards for gaming. Unless we are talking about the 4090, there is still equivalent from AMD but people just won't buy it no matter how good it is. I have seen it so many times in real life - people saying "just buy Nvidia" even if the debate would be a 3060 vs 7900XTX. Only way to change this mindset is to beat the top dog, not acknowledge him...
40 series are a joke relying on AI frame generation to inflate price, so of course it wouldn't be difficult to beat it. The fact AMD has given up on chasing 4090, 5090 etc on the high end market 4K is proof AMD also can't and will never match up. For real gamers resolution matters.
@@EddieMcclanahan Don't care, go make your own comment instead of being irrelevant under mine. AMD smelled the upcoming 5090 and pulled out faster than your dad should have.
Probably going Nvidia again. The optimizations are simply there. I'm sick of updating driver and now my game has stutters or some shadow bug. Smaller devs just simply don't account for AMD and that's where in my opinion, the fun PC games are. I really like the Adrenaline suite and all, but i'm fine with just using afterburner if it all works smoother when loading something up. I am just sick of having to counter tinker to get a AA game to work as intended.
It's official AMD has ceded the crown to Nvidia...and "N" will have FREE reign for the next FIVE years uncontested. It's time to think "outside of the box" AMD & Intel combined their GPU divisions "A.I" to fight the "N" directly. There's no other way. AMD takes 70% and Intel 30% respectively. There is power in numbers.
I don't agree, when Nvidia finally drop their entire GPU range with the exception of a single ultra premium card we will need more options. Nvidia are focussed on AI, not gaming.
I really hope AMD can come back in the game, if AMD falls we are gonna have to choose between Intel and AMD, Intel is doing some advances but its software is not there yet. I can see NVIDIA charging $500 for a card that has the performance of a 4060 and just 6 gigs of ram.
imho, the problem that most I got with AMD GPUs is that the lack of support for creator software, if they at least try more and give more tools for the creators i.e. faster Blender Cycles render, or better Vulkan compute for creative tools that need GPU acceleration (which Nvidia has been doing for decades), im sure a lot of people will shift to it, since many be able to rely not only on gaming but a also capable content creation gpu that fits the budget. After experiencing intel arc on how fast it is than AMD when it comes to creative softwares when it's utilized right, I can't really go on AMD and use it. I'm looking forward to Battlemage because of it. and I hope AMD will give tools to creators also, because if AMD will give tools to creators, it will sell like hot cakes, because lets face it, PC GPUs arent only for gaming anymore, it can be use for content creation if needed, and AMD is not doing well on that part of the market (I mean how can you even make a game if the tools arent there for the GPU right?)
It SOUNDS like they finally get it. Lets just see. This proves it's not what you know, but who you ARE and WHO you know. Edit All of those people saying Nvidia cant lower their prices because making silicon is expensive need to be gagged tarred and feathered. 800+% is crazy.
The problem is when you don't compete at the high end you don't get exposure. We've seen this before. This isn't a new strategy AMD did this with Polaris and Vega. They couldn't compete at the high end they competed at the tier down. Even the 5000 seried of RDNA didn't compete at the highest end it was why the 6000 series got so much love in coverage. Just two generations removed already giving up again seems like a pretty massive blow. Especially if Intel makes strides in the next release (assuming they don't cut the graphics card consumer division with the current state of profit loss they are experiencing). AMD could easily end up in 3rd place next generation.
@@ZackSNetwork They don't though is the thing. Like the rx480/580 polaris to this day is the best selling card they've ever produced and the 1060 still outsold it 10 to 1. Now the 580 has continued to be on sale to this day to chinese internet cafe's and that's barely clawed back anything. The 1060 still hugely outsold it and that was in like 20% as much time on market. No they don't compete at all at any level. But giving up on the high end only highlights that. It's high end products that get consumers thinking of you. Like in the smartphone space. The Samsung A series outsells the S phones all the time. But if Samsung didn't release the S series people wouldn't see all the reviewers saying Samsung makes the best android phones generation after generation. It's mind share. If you aren't making top tier products you don't have it.
I hope AMD understands I buy Radeon only. The reasons top reason is the strong connection to the Nintendo flipper chip. Unmatched retro compatibility. I'm still in shock that Radeon compute units are this good.
AMD is presenting an extremely sound business strategy. How many people drive Porsche bs Subaru? How about Corvettes or Mustangs vs Lamborghini? It’s about dominating a segment. Grab share, carve out a price to performance market niche.
Right the opposite, extremely bad strategy. Why do most people want iPhones? Because those scream style, power and performance eventhough it's not completely true. If Apple made a 300-400$ phone I can guarantee you it would outsell competition even if it was factualy inferior. It's the same here. Nvidia has the gaming top dog - currently the 4090. That one is the best and people want a piece of the best even if AMD will offer a better deal in lower segments, they won't offer part of the best...
Someone like me will be amd target consumer. I haven't bought a GPU in years because of pricing. Get me some great performance at 500 or less and I'll buy.
AMD might have missed their opportunity already. No official announcement yet makes me think these cards are not coming out until next year. They need an early q4 release to have any chance. Their top RDNA 4 card will probably be around a 4070ti super overall and they will want at least $500 to $550. The 5070 will come out for probably $600 and offer the same raster but even better RT. The cycle repeats.
@@vvhitevvizard_ That’s just lazy analysis on your part. AMD was almost bankrupt in 2017 due to losing to Intel in cpus at the time. This drained AMD of resources to compete in gpus. NVidia meanwhile stayed focused on their profitable niche by consistently making the best most innovative gpus. Then they used their superior position in gpus to expanded outward in ai and crypto. All strategic organic growth on nVidia part.
@@hanooi7450 I was following AMD progress back than. AMD had to become fabless and have sold some tech to China. And their R&D resources were much lower than Nvidia ones all the time. At the same time, AMD GPUs are not bad hardware-wise and are used in Xbox/PSP consoles. But please make some research concering CUDA stack and how Nvidia sues anyone who tries to emulate it. A big dirty game keeps going. I do believe antitrust committee should look into Nvidia case. Sorry for my lame English. =)
Thank you for the very interesting opinion piece Danny. Those fraudulent "bold claims" AMD made about RDNA3 is one of the reasons I turned to Nvidia and brought a RTX 4090. I was an Radeon fan up till then, very impressed with Ryzen, so I was disappointed and angry when the facts finally came to light. At least Nvidia hadn't lied about the 4090's capabilities. So, when I added up the points, and considering I'm not young anymore, I gritted my teeth and paid the extra. Then they went up in price! 😅 AMD might be doing a rear guard action against Intel who, by the way, haven't felt the need to make an enthusiast level gfx card... yet. I believe AMD want to focus all their energy on a single processor complex, like with their CPUs, that they can segment with yeild. I actually think they could (and should) get close to the RTX 4080S for $500. They'll need AI implementation like Intel's XeSS and 12-16GB vram though too.
I just want good value parts. I'm not going to spend £1000-2000 on a GPU unless I'm making ten-fold off of that investment. £300 is about what I'm used to paying for a GPU. If RDNA 4 provides RX 7900 XT level performance for
A lot of people in here are living in their dreams. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see a 4080 level card for $500 but it won’t happen. Nvidia is way too greedy and AMD never puts out correct numbers and benchmarks. I still think AMD is the way to go for every single bracket except for single player gamers and people who need 4090 levels of performance. Any other case should go with an AMD card. I love the competition but for me I’m going with whoever makes the most sense. If the 4070 ti super was within $30-50 of the 7900xt I would have gotten that card. Also nowadays you can get open box cards for up to like $150 off for basically a brand new card. I think the future of pc building is in good hands. I just upgraded so for me it will be 4-6 years before I upgrade but I’m glad they’re making progress. Who knows if there is a card that is just too good to pass up I may swap out my 7900xt but I don’t have my hopes up.
I play in 1080p. The bigger the resolution the bigger card you need. I refuse to spend crazy amount of money just to play 80 hours/year. Situation is especially worse outside US, where every card is 100-150 dollars more expensive.
@@GreyDeathVaccine everyone’s situation is different. In your case I agree. Me I go to work, do what I need to do and game. So I spend quite a bit of time on my pc. Some people spend crazy money to go to Disney and to go to fancy restaurants. I spend my money on something that makes me happy daily. It’s an investment that I think is well worth it. If you only play 80 hours a year a laptop or a $100-200 card is more than enough especially on the used market.
I doubt 4080 performance for 500 would happen. That would immediately make both 4080 and 7900XTX obsolete which would also immediately make the 500$ price point kinda stupid. Yes it would be great deal for us but AMD is a company in the first place so the price would go up, closer to the 4080/7900XTX...
If the 8700 XT, which will likely be the flagship RDNA 4 GPU based on the full Navi 48 chip, can be in between the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in raster performance and roughly be on par with the 4080 SUPER in RT performance for $500, that would be an excellent price to performance midrange GPU. If AMD can pull that off, they should definitely gain quite a bit of market share in the gaming GPU market. RDNA 4 and Battlemage are looking highly competitive in the low-end and midrange segments. With enough competition, it could convince Nvidia to pack significantly more processing power into their next gen low-end and midrange GPUs. It still is a shame that AMD has officially abandoned the high-end and enthusiast class segments with RDNA 4. AMD is expected to return to the high-end and enthusiast class segments with RDNA 5. Rumours have even said Intel will compete in the high-end and enthusiast segments with Celestial. Hopefully, there will be strong competition in the gaming GPU market soon. RDNA 4 and Battlemage for the low-end and midrange. RDNA 5 and Celestial for the high end and enthusiasts.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but I really hope you’re wrong… I just bought a 7900 GRE a couple of months ago because I was under the impression that the new would be coming out in 2025…
@@teddysurf I won't take it the wrong way. I can understand where you are coming from. However, you are hoping I am wrong, and if RDNA 4 ends up being a flop, that is going to be a complete disaster for the gaming GPU market, which is already in an extremely bad position. Even if you just bought a 7900 GRE a few months ago, you should still hope future GPU generations will continue to advance in performance and offer good value in low-end and midrange segments. Competition is desperately needed in the gaming GPU market across all segments. Lack of competition is bad enough, and this whole AI bullshit only worsens things for consumers and gamers.
@@Gamer-q7v no I know what you’re saying, and it would be good for the industry to have GPUs come out with much better performance at a price point that people can afford. I just don’t want to have wasted $550 when I could’ve waited a few months and got much better for performance lol. Although if they’re trying to get these out before Christmas time is getting short to announce and then launch a product.
@@teddysurf Yeah, otherwise, if there is no strong competition in the gaming GPU market within a few years, it's going to collapse completely, and that will be the end. It would be the worst nightmare of every PC gamer and laptop gamer.
@@Gamer-q7v I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the industry collapsing, as even if Nvidia decides to get out of the gaming market if there’s money to be made, there will be companies that fill the gap. If that happens, it will be a little rocky for a while but I mean, the gaming industry is a $200 billion industry so I don’t think it’s going anywhere.
4080 super levels of performance for 500 dollars is completely reasonable, Nvidia has just brainwashed everyone into paying double the price they should have to for a card.
What arguments do you have to say that it must cost half the price ¿?
@@pixeltaco9782 those cards take a lot of time and money to make amd would have to cut a lot of corners like paying workers less to lower the manufacturing cost which isn’t a good thing
@@nate8738 brainwashed, indeed
@@nate8738 From what I saw, it costs Nvidia 300 some dollars to make a 4080. maybe at 500 they are breaking even or having a small profit, but that might be what it takes to gain market share.
If the 7000 series was really 30 percent under the design goals due to a design flaw, getting at least 4070TI Super performance in the 8800XT is reasonable.
If it adds AI upscaling, doubles the ray tracing performance over 7800XT and cost 500 bucks, I'm buying one.
I'm really hoping that the new goal of building market share means that they won't make pricing mistakes like they did with the 7900XT.
AMD never misses the chance to miss a chance ain't no way AMD will pull this off 💀
IF they're able to give us a $500 gpu with 4080 level performance then they'll have a chance to gain market share
chabce? if that thing exists, im buying 69 of those.
My lord, a 4080 or 4080 Super level performance $500 dollar graphics card would quickly ascend to being the most sold graphics card in humanity!
to be honest, They need to do something like this. GET REALLY GOOD CARDS AT REALLY GOOD VALUE INTO PEOPLES HANDS! They need to sell millions of them! Otherwise, developers will just stick with Nvidia and dlss. NO reason to implement amd tech when only 20% or less of market has those cards....
It would be wise and beneficial for them and the customers !
There is zero chance of that happening with the 8800 in the wake of their partner Sony announcing PS5 pro for $700 (which is basically built on AMD hardware)
I have given up on predicting the future. I only care about what I can actually buy.
A 4070 equivalent for $299 would be nice.
But with more VRAM 😅 12GB is very tight for my taste.
Edit: but when I think about it, we already have a RTX4070 equivalent for 300. it’s the RX6800 (used)
It already exists. It’s called the RX6800 and has 16GB VRAM. $299 all day.
@@K.R.98exactly.
keep dreaming lil bro
Yeah 12 gig is a little light 16 should be the new minimum
If AMD can match the performance of an RTX 4080 Super for half its price, RDNA4 will become a HUGE hit with gamers!
guess it will launch at 800$ and will decay to 650 in 3 months
never , even if they can , no company would be that stupid to loose boatloads of money .
Bro does NOT know@@kisspeteristvan
@@kisspeteristvan nvidia gets insane margins on those cards. amd certainly wouldn't be losing money selling those cards at 500 or 600 bucks, even with overhead costs.
@@pixeltaco9782 you don't understand. They would lose , cause they can afford to ask for more .
I'm so buying this new AMD card if the price is 500$! Nvidia doesn't care about making gaming accessible - AMD does.
This is AMD. 7800xt which is the true 7700xt was effectively a 6800xt in performance. They also made ridiculous claims about 7900xtx being 70% faster than 6950xt and 5800xt beating raptorlake or zen 5 matching zen 4 x3d. 8800xt will likely be between 7800xt and 7900 gre with better ray tracing
unfortunately this is my guess as well. I think slightly below a 7900 xt isn't outlandish either. However the leaks saying 4080/7900xtx performance are laughable
I believe this strategy could fall flat without improvement in the accompanying features, such as the visual quality of FSR, ray tracing performance and the stability of drivers. They already have good value gpus that do not sell well due to these reasons.
Nvidia is doing the same "we got much more perf...30-40-50-70%" when i real u get a bit more 10 or maybe 20% but pay 50 to a 100% more for extra 20fps, same fuck just green sticker :))
no the 7800xt should have been the 7800. the GRE should have been the 7800xt, but with better bandwidth.
@@commonsense-og1gz 7900 gre from 6800 xt was an abysmal generational uplift. That's why I think it makes sense that the 7900 xt was the real 6800 xt successor. Regardless...we just want better products for the money with better efficiency when doing low-compute and graphical requirement tasks like browsing youtube or playing pixel games
I can honestly say, I don't know a single gamer that doesn't turn ray tracing off, so when are the manufactures going to finally drop that, except on the top tier GPUs?
I guess the problem is that good RT performance is the only decent selling point of nvidia over amd, and it's a good one since those amd idiots are selling cards with way lower RT performance for literally the same price (and I'm an amd user but amd cards are just as overpriced as nvidias) so from both companies there's strong incentive to improve RT performance. I. E. Ray tracing is the only thing competition is actually improving
Nvidia is good at turning gimmicks nobody in the real world uses into selling points. Let's see if this one sticks or will it go the way of physx and 100x tessallation.
@@lucazani2730 The most important thing that NVidia has over AMD is DLSS. FSR can't compare in its current iteration. RT for most people is just a gimmick.
@@tehehe5929 ah yes my bad DLSS too. And, if we want to be complete, we also need to specify Cuda cores
I always say most gamers don't bother with RT and it is a gimmick but every time I do there is always one kid who comes in screaming how important Rt really is and I'm only mad because my 7900 XT can't play RT. It doesn't matter how many time i tell him i don't care about RT, he will just continue.
The problem with "Mid Range" is that this word doesn't mean the same as it did 10 years ago... a Mid Range card is a solid 500$~600$ nowadays. 200$~300$ is the new "Entry level"
I'll stick with AMD. I have had both, and honestly, I can't tell the difference between 100 fps, and 105 fps. As long as my games I choose to play, play well, I'll pick the less expensive option. AMD has never let me down.
Equip your PC with metering software that can show you GPU Hot Spot temperature. If the hot spot temperature exceeds 100 degrees, it's time to undervolt (but Linus has wrong tutorial). Also, limit FPS to 60 and your card will last for many years.
@@GreyDeathVaccine id say limit the card to the monitors refresh rate. mine for example is 75
@@GreyDeathVaccineAMD Adrenaline, already allow that as undervolting the GPU
Wait for your favorite reviewers to the rdna 4 cards, they will test them and then they will present the data, anything that comes from AMD about performance is just noise.
hyping their products performance for them not to live up to it..again and again. and they wonder why they fail. idi*ts
How many of AMD's empty, braggadocious promises have we gone through thus far? It's crazy that some people still take them at their word xD
we're not taking them at their "word" through leaks through channels like MLID anymore. I'm guessing the 8800x will be somewhere around 7900 GRE or 7900 xt performance. Any more than that and it's too unrealistic for the 500-600 USD price (MSRP). With great power efficiency, low power usage at idle/video playback etc as well as the supposed RT improvements, this could be a solid, budget-oriented product. If it doesn't deliver, this will likely be the worst generation in a while when it comes to price/performance.
How many times Nvidia patches their software (Physx, Hairworks, etc) to cut non-Nvidia performance?
@@AhmadWahelsaLies as usual from you.
AMD's marketing department should be hung, drawn and quartered. They hype up the GPUs to the point where nothing can live up to it. The products are solid, but they fall so far behind the hype that they come across as disappointments. I like the Radeon 7800 XT - it's a good GPU, and they didn't hype it beyond its performance, unlike with the 7900 XT and XTX. As for the Radeon 8800 XT, I'm expecting performance slightly above the 7900 GRE, but not up to 7900 XT levels.
@@ZackSNetwork Oh yeah? So i'm lying despite the facts is already there? just toggle on Nvidia features on non Nvidia cards.
I'd just like to see something truly midrange in the $200-300 segment again. The 7600 and 4060 just aren't exciting cards - I'm talking more VRAM and better RT performance if possible.
Cries in needing a GPU for my 5900x as a personal dev box for work.
Not sure that will happen. But if you do buy a high end card, and can get 4k graphics. You are pretty much none. Not alot of reasons to up grade, better ray tracing, etc.
basic life needs are going up in price and you want what is a luxury item to stay the same price? might need to expand the logic behind that
@@Two49 it already exists. It’s called the RX6800. It’s 30-40% faster than a 4060 and is $300 all day.
@@pseudoscientist8010 RX6800. 16GB VRAM for $300. All you need for 4K.
Two reasons and doesnt have high end rdna 4
1. Can get the mcm model working. Rdna 4 is rumored to be monolithic
2. Ps5 pro needs only the current rdna 4 specs
AMD at the end of the day is a corporate entity beholden only to its shareholders and bottom line. It will sell the product for the highest cost they think they can get away with. So if it sells a 4080 level card for 500 (which i personally don't think will happen just look at 7900xtx launch) it's probably because market doesn't allow for a costlier version of rdna4. This attitude that AMD is some company which somehow saves us from Nvidia by giving gamers value for money gpus need to change. The moment they can hike the price they will and there are plenty of instances when they did.
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/ (like 100-150 USD more than in US :/)
It's a smart strategy by AMD because the high end market share is only 10%
High end market has huge profit margins though
technology is very outdated and nvidia dlss and ray tracing results are significantly better than radeon low detail
@christiantos Ray tracing is useless on games maybe only at Cyberpunk but RNDA 4 will improve the ray tracing so its fine tbh and we have soon also the fsr 3.1 so we dont care about ur dlss
RDNA*
@@kaal96184 Well, the new games that are really good use DLSS 3 and ray tracing, like Wu Kong etc... AMD has indeed lost to Nvidia, that's a fact
Amd Radeon needs to a GPU with rtx4080 level performance under 400usd to sucker punch Nvidia real good. That would be nice
Can't they just discount the 7900xt to $500 and achieve that?
new chip will be cheaper in production
@@vvhitevvizard_also it will have increased RT performance (I don't know if anyone cares about RT but still) and especially if it's a different product indipendent reviewers will test it and talk about it. It's like the 4080 super which was just a 4080 discounted. But by releasing a new product they got the tech press to talk about it. It's not that stupid actually
Back when the 5700XT came out, it sold well on value alone. But today it's about the whole package. They need not only good value cards up against Nvidia but software stack that can compete. Only then will the mainstream take notice. Oh and way better marketing to those people. Ryzen didn't get where it is by being the same as intel, but cheaper.
AMD lacks Tensor cores alternative in gaming hardware as well. AMD version is called Matrix cores but available only for MI200 cards.
How many % of users use these advanced features? 10-15%?
Most mainstream gamers wan't a card that holds up 3-4years with 60+ fps. I have a 7800xt, am i using all those extra features? nope... Just SAM because i have a 5800x3d.
So Give ppl raw performance for $350-$400 and ppl will buy! If the 7800xt would have been priced $200 lower, it would be the best selling card of the amd 7xxx/nvidia 4xxx series.
Honestly, what more do you need than game 3-4y on your hardware you buy? It goes a long way! :)
5700 XT was a good card. Still is. Finally, it looks like they will have hardware upscaling this gen (PS5 Pro has it anyway) and if that works well with vastly improved RT, they will gain market share. I might jump ship.
Yep, I would do the same. Along with price to performance being there as well.
if rdna 4 really turns out great in terms of pricing and performance i am willing to buy a 8700xt or 8800xt , currently running on cpu integrated graphics
Yeah I'm looking into either 8700 XT or 8800 XT as well. Would be an amazing upgrade from my 1070.
If they could give a 4080 level of Performance with 500$ cap i am buying 10 of them for keeps.
They 100% can if you consider the 4080 launched being over priced and is now a generation old.
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/
It doesn't help when Window 10&11 consumer versions restrict AMD CPU ang GPU performance. When AMD does their testing, it's done with a Non consumer version of Windows and this is why AMD show a bigger gain than content creators get. I wonder how much Nvidia pays Microsoft to do this
The RX 8800XT matching the RTX 4080 in performance would be a big challenge, since it's going to be 64 compute units, similar to the 7800XT 60 CU, and on a similar node. They need 50% performance improvement to reach there. If it was 3nm with a big frequency increase I could see it being much more plausible, but it's going to be all architecture work
AMD has one major advantage in my eyes: open source drivers and software. I have since long left Windows for Linux and are embracing open source. AMD is now my first choice.
I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but here in Germany we are currently experiencing the decline of the economy. This is associated with more and more company bankruptcies and mass redundancies. In addition, inflation is still high and prices for food and energy continue to rise. As a result, the average gamer like me is thinking twice before buying a new graphics card. I bought my last graphics card, an RX 6700 XT, cheaply on the second-hand market. And I will continue to use this graphics card for the next few years, as our disposable income is more important for everyday things. From my point of view, it therefore makes sense that AMD is targeting the entry-level market.
Same here with 3060ti. Also, the new game releases are so bad, i reevaluated my approach and decided to stick with old games i already own - there is plenty of them for me to enjoy.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq i feel you. My Steam and Epic Games pile of shame is pretty big 😅
You started making shity car and you destroyed your own economy by closing the power plants. What did you expect going to happen? In 10 years 80% of the car are going to be Chinese.
Sad to watch how Germany is destroying it's own economy and eu is destroying the economy of all the union in general.
In 10 years 80% of the car going to be Chinese.
I have the same GPU, it will serve you well for a few years.
I would be happy if AMD could make a GPU with gre raster performance, xtx ray tracing performance, a proper AI upscaler that has custom anti aliasing that can fix the issues caused by taa. I'd pay like $600 for that.
That want happen until rdna 5 because there want be a high end rdna4 main think rdna 4 will be cheaper and better raytracing basically the ps5 pro what im thinking
@@Jason_Bover9000 I know, but thankfully the 4070 Super fits exactly what I described. So I replaced my Rx 6800 with it.
I don't believe until I see it, learned that from past experiences
We get what we deserve, I've been PC gamer since 2003, and at least from 2006 I remember nVidia always out selling ATi then AMD cards, sometimes it was due to Radeon being crap like with HD2000 or with RX Fury / Vega but most other times people just refused to buy AMD, a company needs money to invest and develop stuff, it's not a surprise that eventually nVidia got so far ahead, I fear that this is just the start, in few years they will be in low end and then probably leave the market all together.....
An 4080 super at 500$ is insane and I honestly don’t believe em. I bought an 4080S got tired of waiting and don’t wanna deal with the scalping bs of 50 series. I got my tuf edition 40$ off with Black myth wukong was hard to beat
there will be no scalpers for 50 series. Ngreedia ruined the gaming market. People just quit upgrading overpriced cards
It's not the since Nvidia has better ray tracing and upscaling and they will be pricing the 4080 at $800 or lower
@@vvhitevvizard_ after a lil over 1000$ with my purchase I’m definitely not planning on buying for a lonnnggg time I already went 5 years with an 2060 super with this big uplift probably won’t be interesting into another 6-8 years
AMD! GIVE ME 4080 PERFOMANCE FOR 500 DOLLARS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
1. I dont believe AMD numbers anymore. Whatever they're saying will need to be tested and validated, and revised 10 or 20% BELOW their numbers.
2. They will be greedy, and mid range now is 4070S approx 600US. Their 8800XT will be priced 600US. No way they price it lower.
3. Even if they fix RT, which quite honesly isn't a real problem as only very high end can run RT properly (4070Ti and above), the CUDA problem remains. Rocm needs to be seamless as CUDA is right now when working on AI stuff.
To put the above points in one sentence, here's what AMD will do:
1. They will believe their own numbers, 2. price the card accordingly, and 3. forget they're not offering the same quality overall as their competitor. And they'll fail.
Seems to forget something. RT isn't broken. Upscaller isn't an issue, the old one does. Performance isn't an issue. Game spitting on AMD does. PT performance of AMD is terrible. RT is sweet. But only when you're in the mid range. At a higher range all Nvidia cards are better. You can and I can simply do a raster test to see that my 7800XT (Qick 319) explode the world record of 4070 while running at near stock core clock, and also beat 4070super avg (Note than in France, 4070 is ±600€. 4070ti super is near 1000€). I run a RT test (Port Royal, Solar Bay) and still beat the 4070 (not the OC/world record tho. I run a PT test. And even the 4070 beat the 7900GRE. While running DLSS and XeSS tests, all tests are the latest. The FSR test however is in 2.0. Do you know how old FSR2.0 is ? Same for 2.1.
The greatest issue with AMD card and CPU is based settings.
stop the cap, fanboi overpricing nvidia lol
Like almost any 5000/6000/7000 series card could boost between ±500MHz than stock speed (not boost clock, base clock) and near ±200-500MHz in memory speed compare to base memory clock speed.
For CPU. 9700X actually outperforms the 7800X3D (with a bit of tuning and being 100% stable). However it does consume more power. But hey. When the i9-14900K everyone was saying it's better even if it consumes more power so we won't brag about more power ?
So yeah. The biggest issue is that almost every card and CPU are massively below what they can do. Sometimes it's the game. Sometimes it's windows, Windows was always known to favorite Intel. Just need to compare pure theorical performance between nanometers size of transistors, L1/L2/L3 size. Latency. Threads. And core speed. To see that AMD should beat Intel even more. Windows update boosts Ryzen performance by sometimes over 50% 🤨
1. AMD "we tested it with great results"
2. Nvidia sees and updates their software (such as Physx, Hairworks, etc) to tank non-Nvidia performance
3. Gamers "Booo AMD big liar"
I mean can't really blame AMD solely, sure they overshoot on what their chipsets are actually capable of but most of the performance issues lately have been proven to be an issue on the OS side, specifically Windows.
At the end of the day, once you get AMD, you always have "until how long will they support this card since they keep changing architecture?"
It would be master plan if the price was $499 but I seriously doubt that AMD will not overprice it and then panic drop prices after short couple of months due to lackluster sales.
Yes AMD clown marketing.
AMD win massive market share with Ryzen and offering low prices. The fact they don't do this with GPUs is laughable.
They should of launched the Rx 7900xt at 600, then hyped it up as matching the 3090ti in raster with their marketing
AMD should include Matrix Cores (Tensor cores alternative) for gaming cards
If it actually meets those prices and performance targets I'll get one. No question.
If it's $599 and/or below those targets? I'll wait for the 5070. The 5070 is rumoured to be $599 and will frankly beat it on both feature set and performance. Even if the 5070 is $699, they'll be on par for price to performance.
Exactly, sometihing like 5070 or 5070ti will be main competition for RDNA4, not 2 years old 4080
@@evilsatoriiwrong it will be the udna
5070 is also supposed to have only 12gb VRAM. That's no bueno in 2025.
@@peter2liter 12gb isn't really a barrier at present, and while it WILL eventually become one I don't think that's happening in 2025.
Yes, you can deliberately push some games with some features to 12gb reserved vram even at 1080, but those examples are pretty badly optimised.
Plus, Nvidia has always been more memory efficient than AMD, so a 12gb barrier will tend to hit an 8700XT harder than a 4070 Ti or 5070.
Also, just matching last generation's RT capability is gonna mean very little when 2025's path tracing based games come out.
Be sure that Nvidia will have some other feature that will one up AMD too, and likely an upgraded DLSS too.
$599 is really the absolute upper end of where a mid range card that doesn't even match their own previous generation cards, let alone Nvidia's ones, can be priced at.
Realistically it's gotta be a $549 card to be a middling experience, and $499 to be a good product.
I love my 7800XT , id take an 8800XT
Even true 4080 super performance with a decent amount of vram on the card at $650 would sell well.
With rumors just dropping a bit ago that Nvidia leaks are talking possibly as high as $2500 for a 5090 32gb and $1500 for a 5080 16gb as worse case scenario pricing there is a lot of room for a reasonable priced card at 4080 super levels.
It is the gaming studios that in the end will drive what GPU's will be desired by the gamers as the better the new game releases perform on more affordable hardware the more gamers that with solid mid range PC's may be willing to buy the title.
There is absolutely no excuse that a new game title cannot be optimized to run very high game settings on a vanilla 4070 tiered GPU without needing frame generation to run a smooth playable FPS.
When a game is released that requires a top tier GPU like an 80 or 90 series along with needing to run DLSS to generate playable frame rates then if the gaming community REFUSED to buy the title and the studio was losing its a$$ then you would see games optimized for good performance on the level of gear that most gamers actually own rather than releasing games in such a poor state of optimization.
Put part of the blame where it belongs on the gaming studios for releasing games that to a degree that only offer the really good gaming experience if you own the top tier PC hardware.
I went from nvidia to amd and am happy with it. I do miss dlss and kinda miss ray tracing but not much
I believe AMD is making a serious mistake by leaving the race to the top, because usually the "top dog" sets the tone, therefore leading the market and setting standards.
And the message it sends it's that they are quitting.
I believe they're gonna lose even more marketshare with this move.
I am panning to buy a 5070 and if you look at last 3-4 gen it should have the performance of a 4080. So for me to go buy AMD 8800XT it needs to be at least $150+ cheaper than 5070.
Or if AMD wants to sell around $50 cheaper than NVIDIA they really need to step up in their provide similar or better quality in (Encoding+RayTracing+Upscaling).
Every pre-release period is the same.
People dream way too much and overhype whatever AMD's new products then proceed to criticize those same products relentlessly when they obviously don't match the public's absurd expectations.
A $500 Navi 48 might not even match the RX 7900 XT and there are already people hoping for a $400~$300 RTX 4070/RX 7800 XT.
I mean...400$ 4070 should be like a normal almost sub par new gen lmao. The 4070 is what, 499-599?
Since they have announced that they wont be releasing a high end gpu, they have to be extremely aggressive on low to mid range market.
I'm ready to buy amd if they deliver the right product... The 7800xt and 7900gre are fantastic card for the price.😊
All I want is to play DCS in VR at like 100fps. Thanks AMD!
Currently on a RX 6650 XT and starting to feel the underwhelm at 1440p high-end games (Cyberpunk 2077, FF16 etc.). Up until recently I was interested in getting an RX7000 series card but with RX8000 "around the corner", I must resist!
Same boat here, I picked up a 5700xt Phantom for $120 over a year ago with plans to upgrade to a 6700xt but then the 7800xt released. I let it's initial price wind down below $500 and read about the 8800xt in the $500 range which was originally thought to be a fall release so I held off, now apparently a Q1 2025 release I guess I will wait a little longer. Will it beat the 4080? Maybe but if it is just on par with the 7900xt I would be happy at $500 very happy if it runs with a 7900xtx. Look into undervolting that 6650xt. It has similar performance to my 5700xt which with an undervolt, slight overclock and power increased a bit I achieved a 30-40% fps gain "there are lots of guides out there, my whole system runs smoother, cooler and I am very happy with it".
the UDNA is basicly that what Nvidia is doing all along with its graphics cards
for me, its CUDA. ZLUDA is not finished and already stopped, and AMD just isnt as fast in AI workloads. that being said, im using a 6800xt, but my next card might be nvidia in 2 years from now if i dont see any headway in the ai space.
also, AMD *gaming* cards lack Tensor cores alternative (AMD's Matrix cores)
These products are not created from one month to another no matter what the new chief guy wants, this strategy can be declared now and implemented in a few years, starting with the design of the chips.
I think they did a analysis on Blackwell chip, on what products NVidia can generate from this chip, compared to their new chip, determined they cannot compute with NVidia and now they want save faces with products with very, very low margins and hope NVidia won't say "they did what with price on mid range products? ok, match their price with an added +10%, we can afford the loss".
On that note, In terms of Raster XTX can easily beat 4080 their edge is their DLSS that can help RT's performance. It will soon change when FSR4 comes. Based on the PSSR in PS5 Pro. I am confident Radeon can compete this with their AI based upscaling.
9:38 No BS there. Having the console market doesn't necessarily mean things are optimized for AMD. Quite frankly, the impact of DirectX, Vulkan and Windows is not to be underestimated. The same game will require a decently different approach to implementing on PC with AMD GPU vs Consoles. Both consoles SDK and DevKit are creating a sizable difference in approach for GameDev. And it's not quite the obvious stuff. So yes, it helps, but it is a different experience.
I think people ignore that part quite a lot and assume "AMD Console = they have the gaming segment to themselves" followed by "why can't AMD product perform better on PC; they have the consoles?!".
In short, AMD needs to be better AND have more focus on helping developers using their hardware and SDK on PC. That's what he is talking about. It does make sense.
PS. Okay, it's late and I may not be making much sense. Caring on.
I have always needed to be frugal with money and AMD has had the best price to performance and the longest socket support and has had my loyalty for 30yrs+ because of that. I had an 1100x black edition cpu that I ran for 15 years and outlasted 2 cases and 3 MOBOs the last one was an EATX with 3way crossfire that had no problem running Elite dangerous, E.V.E., W.O.W., and FS15,17,19 and many other games with no issues
If January was going to be something big for AMD, this would be labeled as the first UDNA rather than RDNA4. The good news for 7000 and 8000 series cards is precisely that AMD is going to be forced to focus on software and maximizing their capabilities on that front in order to stay remotely relevant at all.
480 super should be $600
Just like the 980 ti back then
7900 xtx should be $500 then.
Smart, most people don't even need a 4090... Amd is gonna be rich if they can pull this off.. everyone gonna buy that shit 8800xt
The 4090 alone sells more than all last gen AMD cards combined
@@Augusto9588 We are talking about next gen so it doesn't matter.
No they will not. Most people would rather still pay $800 for a 4080, or wait for the 5000 series
This is smart. People with big pockets will pay for a 4090 but most people dont buy flagships. the most popular video card used on steam is a 3060 by far. my current card a 6800xt wich now is considered low end is faster than a 3060. most people upgrade to an affordable card so this may be a smart way to gain some market share.
You just denied your own point man. The 3060 8GB (more like 3050 ti) being the most popular eventhough AMD offers better equivalent just shows how wrong this move is. Unless you at least compete for the best, you are inferior and people will take that into consideration when buying, hence the unreasonable 3060 8GB popularity...
If AMD would quit trying to make a profit and sell their cards around $250 regardless of specifications, they would dominate the market...
If someone offered 299$ 4070 equivalent they wouldn't be able to make enough of them.
knowing AMD, you 100% know that they won't do that as nearly all gamers still buy NVidia and that is like 80-85% of us. Leaks suggest that the 8700/8800 XT will only have 7900 XT performance equivalent to a 4070 Ti
@@KamilWyszynski-y3p ngl i would just buy nvidia when they discount
@@KamilWyszynski-y3p but would that be a good card for 500?
I think the whole focus on the mid tier claim is not a big as ppl may think. What would change with the RX 7900 XTX vs RTX4080 we have now?
AMD already left the top tier (vs 4090) and can't compete vs the RTX4080 in RT gaming.
BUT, this does not say the RX 7900XTX is a bad card as it shows nice performance in non RT gaming.
So if the RT8800 XT(X) wil be on the same level so that it can still compete with a RTX5080 for gamers that don't care about the RT, then it will be similar to the current gen.
And that would be good for the RTX5080 pricing.
A lot of this comes down to FSR vs DLSS. New games are leaning heavily on these features, to the point where they're on by default and can represent over 50% of the fps. Currently FSR is not as good as DLSS, which is a huge drawback for AMD.
Yeah, as a 6700XT owner this is easily the biggest drawback on AMD cards. It almost feels like it's been getting worse too, but I wouldn't recommend anyone use FSR below like, 1440p quality settings or 4k balanced (maybe 4k performance if you're playing on a TV).
Path tracing is the future but I don't think it should be the focus right now. Getting a better upscaler, even if it's locked to new hardware, should be a huge priority. If it's any indication, the PS5 Pro's RDNA 4 GPU should be pretty good at not-path traced RT at least.
@@Torso6131 Yeah, I'm not sure if AMD will put a lot of effort in the discrete GPU market. They are dominating consoles and handhelds, so it makes sense developing for those markets. I think they'll also be very invested in competing on AI tech. They don't have as much money to throw around as Nvidia either.
If it's "just a 7900xt-ish", why'd they even bother making it? All the cost of designing and implementing a new architecture would offset the tiny benefits..I suspect at least the rt boost will be significant and raw performance would have to surpass the 7900xt or it would be another AMD shot in the foot.
For the same reason that NVIDIA releases new mid range GPUs instead of continuing to sell their older high end ones
The 8800xt seems like a refresh of the 7800xt which is a refresh of the 6800xt. They have done this before and they will do it again. Efficiency improves but not by much. Heck it is still expecte to use GDDR6 so tell me how it is going to be 4080 performance? Good luck.
8800xt with 4080 performance for 500 bucks?! I MAY be convinced to put my ASUS tuf oc back in its box for this price…. Or wait for it to drop to 400? AMD is giving me an excuse to upgrade honestly.
Won't consider the 8800xt unless they fix their RT performance
Would have liked to have upgraded to RX 7000 but there wasn't any compelling upgrade from my RX 6000.
Now I learn they are giving up on the high end so this 4070 TI Super is going to be with me for a while.
If AMD make cards that end up as popular as the RX 6700 XT and the RX 6800 XT then at least I can recommend them to friends and family.
yeah , had same thing for me friend. Had 3070ti, during shortage I was so sick the scalping, I got it for 1250. Well when amd and nvidia resleased cards , in 2023, the 4070 ti 12 gb was 800 dollars, NVIDIA LOST ME THERE. I was so upset so I got a 24 GB 7900xtx for 1000 instead. I like it, but i hate FSR compared to DLSS now days. I was so sick of nvidia at that point, i mean come on, every review said the same, 4070 ti only 12 gb for 800 dollars was an insane joke! And 4080 for 1200 was stupid. I couln't wait for new card,,, had I waited, I would have gotten 4080 super for 1000. Nvidia was stupid, they should have sold original 4080 for 1000, and 4070ti 12 gb for 600. but nooo , they had to be greedy and insane. If the 4080 was 1000 and the 4070ti super 16 gb was 800 back in 2023, I wouldnt have left nvidia...
I'm grabbing rx 8800 xt as soon as it drops. It's exactly what I've been looking for to replace rtx3060 12gb.
I at least expect it to reach the level of the 7900 XT, even on the Xtx, RX 4080. First, it is rumored that the clock speed will reach 2.9 MHz. Second: memory speed 20 Gbps.They can increase power consumption to over 300w. RX 8800 XT has 64 CU (4096 steam processors). This will be an increase of about 30% over the 7800 XT. Price: between 500-600$
Great assessment of the matter that I mostly agree with. AMD seemingly doesn't get the issue here.
Yes the fact they are lacking on the software side is there but that's not the biggest issue. They had and still have potent cards for gaming. Unless we are talking about the 4090, there is still equivalent from AMD but people just won't buy it no matter how good it is. I have seen it so many times in real life - people saying "just buy Nvidia" even if the debate would be a 3060 vs 7900XTX.
Only way to change this mindset is to beat the top dog, not acknowledge him...
Ain't no way this will outperform a 4080, we'll be lucky if it outperforms a 4070ti. Which would still be a good deal for 500$
40 series are a joke relying on AI frame generation to inflate price, so of course it wouldn't be difficult to beat it. The fact AMD has given up on chasing 4090, 5090 etc on the high end market 4K is proof AMD also can't and will never match up. For real gamers resolution matters.
Like AMD has frame gen as well, just not as good as the 40 series and 7900xtx cost as much as rtx 4080S competition 😅
@@EddieMcclanahan Don't care, go make your own comment instead of being irrelevant under mine. AMD smelled the upcoming 5090 and pulled out faster than your dad should have.
@@GaijinGamerGirl relax karen .
@@billbeis7691 my name's not Karen, kid.
@@GaijinGamerGirl but it is Karen , it is ...
Bring back Crossfire then. Make a RX8800X2.
Probably going Nvidia again. The optimizations are simply there. I'm sick of updating driver and now my game has stutters or some shadow bug. Smaller devs just simply don't account for AMD and that's where in my opinion, the fun PC games are. I really like the Adrenaline suite and all, but i'm fine with just using afterburner if it all works smoother when loading something up.
I am just sick of having to counter tinker to get a AA game to work as intended.
Rooting for Intel gpu's to take off for real.
For real for real
It's official AMD has ceded the crown to Nvidia...and "N" will have FREE reign for the next FIVE years uncontested. It's time to think "outside of the box" AMD & Intel combined their GPU divisions "A.I" to fight the "N" directly. There's no other way. AMD takes 70% and Intel 30% respectively. There is power in numbers.
I don't agree, when Nvidia finally drop their entire GPU range with the exception of a single ultra premium card we will need more options. Nvidia are focussed on AI, not gaming.
Nvidia has held the crown for well over a decade in both performance and market capital stop being delusional.
No matter what you write in your video title, AMD is getting their ass handed to them by Nvidia.
I really hope AMD can come back in the game, if AMD falls we are gonna have to choose between Intel and AMD, Intel is doing some advances but its software is not there yet.
I can see NVIDIA charging $500 for a card that has the performance of a 4060 and just 6 gigs of ram.
I will continue to “play second fiddle” with my 7900xt until I can afford xtx or until they produce one better for the right price.
imho, the problem that most I got with AMD GPUs is that the lack of support for creator software, if they at least try more and give more tools for the creators i.e. faster Blender Cycles render, or better Vulkan compute for creative tools that need GPU acceleration (which Nvidia has been doing for decades), im sure a lot of people will shift to it, since many be able to rely not only on gaming but a also capable content creation gpu that fits the budget. After experiencing intel arc on how fast it is than AMD when it comes to creative softwares when it's utilized right, I can't really go on AMD and use it. I'm looking forward to Battlemage because of it. and I hope AMD will give tools to creators also, because if AMD will give tools to creators, it will sell like hot cakes, because lets face it, PC GPUs arent only for gaming anymore, it can be use for content creation if needed, and AMD is not doing well on that part of the market (I mean how can you even make a game if the tools arent there for the GPU right?)
AMDs "new direction" is the old direction that we know since the RX 580.
No news under the sun.
It SOUNDS like they finally get it. Lets just see. This proves it's not what you know, but who you ARE and WHO you know. Edit All of those people saying Nvidia cant lower their prices because making silicon is expensive need to be gagged tarred and feathered. 800+% is crazy.
I always buy top end Nvidia but I'd buy 4080 level performance for $500 in the 2nd and 3rd PCs for friends to play with.
The problem is when you don't compete at the high end you don't get exposure. We've seen this before. This isn't a new strategy AMD did this with Polaris and Vega. They couldn't compete at the high end they competed at the tier down. Even the 5000 seried of RDNA didn't compete at the highest end it was why the 6000 series got so much love in coverage. Just two generations removed already giving up again seems like a pretty massive blow. Especially if Intel makes strides in the next release (assuming they don't cut the graphics card consumer division with the current state of profit loss they are experiencing). AMD could easily end up in 3rd place next generation.
AMD never wins in the high end and do better in the entry level and low end GPU market.
@@ZackSNetwork They don't though is the thing. Like the rx480/580 polaris to this day is the best selling card they've ever produced and the 1060 still outsold it 10 to 1. Now the 580 has continued to be on sale to this day to chinese internet cafe's and that's barely clawed back anything. The 1060 still hugely outsold it and that was in like 20% as much time on market. No they don't compete at all at any level. But giving up on the high end only highlights that. It's high end products that get consumers thinking of you. Like in the smartphone space. The Samsung A series outsells the S phones all the time. But if Samsung didn't release the S series people wouldn't see all the reviewers saying Samsung makes the best android phones generation after generation. It's mind share. If you aren't making top tier products you don't have it.
Bro if they got 7900xtx at 499 🤤
I hope AMD understands I buy Radeon only.
The reasons top reason is the strong connection to the Nintendo flipper chip.
Unmatched retro compatibility.
I'm still in shock that Radeon compute units are this good.
One can only hope AMD is pulling the GPU Kojima with low ball trolling, and not a 9000 series "tWenTy pErCent iMprOvEmEnt".
That's what I'm hoping for
when are new amd cards coming out?
AMD is presenting an extremely sound business strategy. How many people drive Porsche bs Subaru? How about Corvettes or Mustangs vs Lamborghini? It’s about dominating a segment. Grab share, carve out a price to performance market niche.
Right the opposite, extremely bad strategy. Why do most people want iPhones? Because those scream style, power and performance eventhough it's not completely true. If Apple made a 300-400$ phone I can guarantee you it would outsell competition even if it was factualy inferior. It's the same here. Nvidia has the gaming top dog - currently the 4090. That one is the best and people want a piece of the best even if AMD will offer a better deal in lower segments, they won't offer part of the best...
Someone like me will be amd target consumer. I haven't bought a GPU in years because of pricing. Get me some great performance at 500 or less and I'll buy.
This is the only reasonable thing to do. Value is king.
AMD might have missed their opportunity already. No official announcement yet makes me think these cards are not coming out until next year. They need an early q4 release to have any chance. Their top RDNA 4 card will probably be around a 4070ti super overall and they will want at least $500 to $550. The 5070 will come out for probably $600 and offer the same raster but even better RT. The cycle repeats.
There is an AMD PR exercise on October 10th. If they don't announce then, it probably does look like CES in Jan, sadly
Nvidia at this point has the cash, talent, vision and developer support to steamroll all competitors. Nvidia earned their premium with the market.
by dirty tactics. software moat.
@@vvhitevvizard_ That’s just lazy analysis on your part. AMD was almost bankrupt in 2017 due to losing to Intel in cpus at the time. This drained AMD of resources to compete in gpus. NVidia meanwhile stayed focused on their profitable niche by consistently making the best most innovative gpus. Then they used their superior position in gpus to expanded outward in ai and crypto. All strategic organic growth on nVidia part.
@@hanooi7450 I was following AMD progress back than. AMD had to become fabless and have sold some tech to China. And their R&D resources were much lower than Nvidia ones all the time. At the same time, AMD GPUs are not bad hardware-wise and are used in Xbox/PSP consoles.
But please make some research concering CUDA stack and how Nvidia sues anyone who tries to emulate it. A big dirty game keeps going. I do believe antitrust committee should look into Nvidia case.
Sorry for my lame English. =)
Thank you for the very interesting opinion piece Danny. Those fraudulent "bold claims" AMD made about RDNA3 is one of the reasons I turned to Nvidia and brought a RTX 4090. I was an Radeon fan up till then, very impressed with Ryzen, so I was disappointed and angry when the facts finally came to light. At least Nvidia hadn't lied about the 4090's capabilities. So, when I added up the points, and considering I'm not young anymore, I gritted my teeth and paid the extra. Then they went up in price! 😅
AMD might be doing a rear guard action against Intel who, by the way, haven't felt the need to make an enthusiast level gfx card... yet. I believe AMD want to focus all their energy on a single processor complex, like with their CPUs, that they can segment with yeild. I actually think they could (and should) get close to the RTX 4080S for $500. They'll need AI implementation like Intel's XeSS and 12-16GB vram though too.
Let's hope for another classic like RX 480!
If a company want to do something they never tell anyone
I have a feeling, that i will be sitting on my 3090 for a rather long time.
This decision will backfire. People will not take them seriously
Wait we were taking amd seriously before?
I just want good value parts. I'm not going to spend £1000-2000 on a GPU unless I'm making ten-fold off of that investment.
£300 is about what I'm used to paying for a GPU. If RDNA 4 provides RX 7900 XT level performance for
A lot of people in here are living in their dreams. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see a 4080 level card for $500 but it won’t happen. Nvidia is way too greedy and AMD never puts out correct numbers and benchmarks. I still think AMD is the way to go for every single bracket except for single player gamers and people who need 4090 levels of performance. Any other case should go with an AMD card. I love the competition but for me I’m going with whoever makes the most sense. If the 4070 ti super was within $30-50 of the 7900xt I would have gotten that card. Also nowadays you can get open box cards for up to like $150 off for basically a brand new card. I think the future of pc building is in good hands. I just upgraded so for me it will be 4-6 years before I upgrade but I’m glad they’re making progress. Who knows if there is a card that is just too good to pass up I may swap out my 7900xt but I don’t have my hopes up.
I play in 1080p. The bigger the resolution the bigger card you need. I refuse to spend crazy amount of money just to play 80 hours/year. Situation is especially worse outside US, where every card is 100-150 dollars more expensive.
@@GreyDeathVaccine everyone’s situation is different. In your case I agree. Me I go to work, do what I need to do and game. So I spend quite a bit of time on my pc. Some people spend crazy money to go to Disney and to go to fancy restaurants. I spend my money on something that makes me happy daily. It’s an investment that I think is well worth it. If you only play 80 hours a year a laptop or a $100-200 card is more than enough especially on the used market.
I doubt 4080 performance for 500 would happen. That would immediately make both 4080 and 7900XTX obsolete which would also immediately make the 500$ price point kinda stupid. Yes it would be great deal for us but AMD is a company in the first place so the price would go up, closer to the 4080/7900XTX...
If the 8700 XT, which will likely be the flagship RDNA 4 GPU based on the full Navi 48 chip, can be in between the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in raster performance and roughly be on par with the 4080 SUPER in RT performance for $500, that would be an excellent price to performance midrange GPU. If AMD can pull that off, they should definitely gain quite a bit of market share in the gaming GPU market. RDNA 4 and Battlemage are looking highly competitive in the low-end and midrange segments. With enough competition, it could convince Nvidia to pack significantly more processing power into their next gen low-end and midrange GPUs. It still is a shame that AMD has officially abandoned the high-end and enthusiast class segments with RDNA 4. AMD is expected to return to the high-end and enthusiast class segments with RDNA 5. Rumours have even said Intel will compete in the high-end and enthusiast segments with Celestial. Hopefully, there will be strong competition in the gaming GPU market soon. RDNA 4 and Battlemage for the low-end and midrange. RDNA 5 and Celestial for the high end and enthusiasts.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but I really hope you’re wrong… I just bought a 7900 GRE a couple of months ago because I was under the impression that the new would be coming out in 2025…
@@teddysurf I won't take it the wrong way. I can understand where you are coming from. However, you are hoping I am wrong, and if RDNA 4 ends up being a flop, that is going to be a complete disaster for the gaming GPU market, which is already in an extremely bad position. Even if you just bought a 7900 GRE a few months ago, you should still hope future GPU generations will continue to advance in performance and offer good value in low-end and midrange segments. Competition is desperately needed in the gaming GPU market across all segments. Lack of competition is bad enough, and this whole AI bullshit only worsens things for consumers and gamers.
@@Gamer-q7v no I know what you’re saying, and it would be good for the industry to have GPUs come out with much better performance at a price point that people can afford. I just don’t want to have wasted $550 when I could’ve waited a few months and got much better for performance lol. Although if they’re trying to get these out before Christmas time is getting short to announce and then launch a product.
@@teddysurf Yeah, otherwise, if there is no strong competition in the gaming GPU market within a few years, it's going to collapse completely, and that will be the end. It would be the worst nightmare of every PC gamer and laptop gamer.
@@Gamer-q7v I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the industry collapsing, as even if Nvidia decides to get out of the gaming market if there’s money to be made, there will be companies that fill the gap. If that happens, it will be a little rocky for a while but I mean, the gaming industry is a $200 billion industry so I don’t think it’s going anywhere.
If AMS is able to provide 4080 performance for USD $500, Im sure they'll price it $600.
More like 750 so it makes sense but also makes money for them...
We need a GPU with 128 GB Ram for local AI models.