Who needs sine wave ? I know the purpose of sine wave but I was in an association that broke away from the ITF and used power from the hip when performing the Patterns. Pretty much like the videos here.
I'd never heard of the sine wave concept in TKD before reading the comments. Will you fail a grading if you don't do the sine wave right, or is it not taken that seriously. Is John Chung still associated with ITF ? I looked at his website and I couldn't see it mentioned.
If you haven't been taught sine wave motion, then you won't fail your grading. However, if you have been taught it and don't use it, then it's up to the examiner to determine if you pass or fail your grading.
@@WstAus1960 Bobbing up and down like a buoy on the ocean will do nothing for any strike or block in the horizontal plane. Any vector - in this case an acceleration - in the vertical direction will have zero component in the perpendicular, i.e. horizontal, direction. So why do people do it?? My guess is someone at Kukkiwon got bored one day, dreamt this s**t up and decided it was a good idea. Somehow they convinced the people in charge and it became standard. I wish people would use their own brains and think about what they are doing instead of mindlessly following their teachers who do not always know what is best. Committing the old logical fallacy of appealing to authority never ceases to amaze me. If they fail you for not doing the sine wave, tell them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and go an do another martial art.
@optimusmaximus9646 Kukkiwon didn't introduce the bobbing up and down like a bouy on the ocean, that would be general Choi Hong Hi from ITF back in the 1980s. To explain the purpose behind it and whether it is effective or not would be an waist of time, as you are obviously an expert in all these matters and I must bow down to your masterful worldly knowledge.
@@WstAus1960 Rest assured, I am not some keyboard warrior. I received my 1st degree black belt in take kwon do (ITF) in 1985 and prepared for my second dan grading in 1988. I left TKD when it was when announced that our kwan was joining the WTF. In any case, I have 10 years of experience in TKD and therefore have more than rudimentary understanding of the art. Since then I have also studied and become presonably proficient in judo, aikido, jujutsu, wing chun, and boxing so I have a diverse knowledge of martial arts and the biomechanics that is special to each. My other qualification is a PhD in physics so I think I should know how to resolve a vector into its components. If you can prove to me that a force represented by a vector in one direction has a non-zero component ninety degrees to that direction, then you deserve a Nobel Prize for mathematics. I never commit the logical fallacy of appealing to authority, i.e. saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it without evidentiary validation. I don't care who invented the sine, cosine or tangent wave in TKD - it is garbage as no one has ever validated it.
This is traditional ITF Taekwondo, this is the style I took back in the 70s as a kid. now ITF is pathetic, sign wave. I dont bother with modern taekwondo and WTF is crap to, cant punch to the head.. personally this taekwondo is better, much more powerful strikes, very rigid,.Snap in the GI. Back then you didn't use foot and head gear, was all hands and feet. Martial arts was tougher, and tougher training, back then you know when you took it, you knew it was gonna work, in a siutation. I'm a 3rd degree black belt. I been doing it since 74 till now. I haven't been in a Do jang in 25 years. But I do still train everyday, since 74, 50 years in martial arts. I train for peace and mind, and to keep always ready, you never know what you can get into.
Me too. I started my martial arts journey back in the late 1970s. TKD (ITF) was my first martial art but I have also trained in wing chun, judo, aikido and kendo. I got up to 2nd dan in TKD but left when the Olympics took over. It utterly destroyed a beautiful martial art, just like it destroyed judo. My advice to BJJ and karate would be to avoid the Olympics, otherwise you are going to finish up with a watered down sport that has completely lost touch with its martial origins.
@@optimusmaximus9646 I agree wtf is crap, what kinda art doesn't punch to the head, but kick to the head. I was in a open tornament I fought a wtf, knocked him out with a right hook. Traditional ITF does lots of cresent kicks, today you dont see much of it. My master was one of the oringinals students of general choi, and he trained with hee ill cho, and jhonee rhee. I was very fortunate to train under him. he was top 5 in sparring in Korea
@@optimusmaximus9646 I studied jet kune do, 3rd degree in hapkido, aikido, mauy thai. I fought in both federation PKA, WKA back in the 80s, back then it was 12 to 15 rounds of full contact karate, was very different back then the way we fought.
Hey@@jason75, thanks for you feedback. I trained under a Korean Army champion (not sure if he was North or South Korean but he was one badass dude) and I learned how to fight no holds barred. When I look at the touchy feely foot tap contest of the Olympics, I cringe. Although I left TKD I still practice my old-school TKD fighting skills when I cross train with my judo and boxing. It fills the gap nicely when going from long and middle range and into clinch and grappling range.
Odd that you suggest that ITF is now crap because of sine wave motion yet accept a U-shape block is used to stop a stick attack. If you are indeed practising your patterns every day, you're at least for filling the purpose behind the patterns, which has little if anything to do with self-defense and more to do with focus and exercise . Anyway, each to their own.
I agree what is shown on its own wouldn't help in a real fight and the self-defense examples are simplistic at best. However, what is shown is only a small part of the whole and only represents the focus / exercise part of this martial art. Having a gun is also useless in a street fight if you don't know how to load it or use it 🙂
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Can you upload Randy Mcelwee's Special Forces Training vol 1 and vol 5&6 please
Who needs sine wave ? I know the purpose of sine wave but I was in an association that broke away from the ITF and used power from the hip when performing the Patterns. Pretty much like the videos here.
I'd never heard of the sine wave concept in TKD before reading the comments. Will you fail a grading if you don't do the sine wave right, or is it not taken that seriously. Is John Chung still associated with ITF ? I looked at his website and I couldn't see it mentioned.
If you haven't been taught sine wave motion, then you won't fail your grading. However, if you have been taught it and don't use it, then it's up to the examiner to determine if you pass or fail your grading.
@@WstAus1960 Bobbing up and down like a buoy on the ocean will do nothing for any strike or block in the horizontal plane. Any vector - in this case an acceleration - in the vertical direction will have zero component in the perpendicular, i.e. horizontal, direction. So why do people do it?? My guess is someone at Kukkiwon got bored one day, dreamt this s**t up and decided it was a good idea. Somehow they convinced the people in charge and it became standard. I wish people would use their own brains and think about what they are doing instead of mindlessly following their teachers who do not always know what is best. Committing the old logical fallacy of appealing to authority never ceases to amaze me. If they fail you for not doing the sine wave, tell them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and go an do another martial art.
@optimusmaximus9646 Kukkiwon didn't introduce the bobbing up and down like a bouy on the ocean, that would be general Choi Hong Hi from ITF back in the 1980s. To explain the purpose behind it and whether it is effective or not would be an waist of time, as you are obviously an expert in all these matters and I must bow down to your masterful worldly knowledge.
@@WstAus1960 Rest assured, I am not some keyboard warrior. I received my 1st degree black belt in take kwon do (ITF) in 1985 and prepared for my second dan grading in 1988. I left TKD when it was when announced that our kwan was joining the WTF. In any case, I have 10 years of experience in TKD and therefore have more than rudimentary understanding of the art. Since then I have also studied and become presonably proficient in judo, aikido, jujutsu, wing chun, and boxing so I have a diverse knowledge of martial arts and the biomechanics that is special to each. My other qualification is a PhD in physics so I think I should know how to resolve a vector into its components. If you can prove to me that a force represented by a vector in one direction has a non-zero component ninety degrees to that direction, then you deserve a Nobel Prize for mathematics. I never commit the logical fallacy of appealing to authority, i.e. saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it without evidentiary validation. I don't care who invented the sine, cosine or tangent wave in TKD - it is garbage as no one has ever validated it.
This is traditional ITF Taekwondo, this is the style I took back in the 70s as a kid. now ITF is pathetic, sign wave. I dont bother with modern taekwondo and WTF is crap to, cant punch to the head.. personally this taekwondo is better, much more powerful strikes, very rigid,.Snap in the GI. Back then you didn't use foot and head gear, was all hands and feet. Martial arts was tougher, and tougher training, back then you know when you took it, you knew it was gonna work, in a siutation. I'm a 3rd degree black belt. I been doing it since 74 till now. I haven't been in a Do jang in 25 years. But I do still train everyday, since 74, 50 years in martial arts. I train for peace and mind, and to keep always ready, you never know what you can get into.
Me too. I started my martial arts journey back in the late 1970s. TKD (ITF) was my first martial art but I have also trained in wing chun, judo, aikido and kendo. I got up to 2nd dan in TKD but left when the Olympics took over. It utterly destroyed a beautiful martial art, just like it destroyed judo. My advice to BJJ and karate would be to avoid the Olympics, otherwise you are going to finish up with a watered down sport that has completely lost touch with its martial origins.
@@optimusmaximus9646 I agree wtf is crap, what kinda art doesn't punch to the head, but kick to the head. I was in a open tornament I fought a wtf, knocked him out with a right hook. Traditional ITF does lots of cresent kicks, today you dont see much of it. My master was one of the oringinals students of general choi, and he trained with hee ill cho, and jhonee rhee. I was very fortunate to train under him. he was top 5 in sparring in Korea
@@optimusmaximus9646 I studied jet kune do, 3rd degree in hapkido, aikido, mauy thai. I fought in both federation PKA, WKA back in the 80s, back then it was 12 to 15 rounds of full contact karate, was very different back then the way we fought.
Hey@@jason75, thanks for you feedback. I trained under a Korean Army champion (not sure if he was North or South Korean but he was one badass dude) and I learned how to fight no holds barred. When I look at the touchy feely foot tap contest of the Olympics, I cringe. Although I left TKD I still practice my old-school TKD fighting skills when I cross train with my judo and boxing. It fills the gap nicely when going from long and middle range and into clinch and grappling range.
@@jason75 Nice combination! Sounds like you're a martial arts junkie like me.
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Odd that you suggest that ITF is now crap because of sine wave motion yet accept a U-shape block is used to stop a stick attack. If you are indeed practising your patterns every day, you're at least for filling the purpose behind the patterns, which has little if anything to do with self-defense and more to do with focus and exercise .
Anyway, each to their own.
wont help in a real fight
I'm pretty sure a TKD front snap kick to an attackers gonads will work in a real fight
I agree what is shown on its own wouldn't help in a real fight and the self-defense examples are simplistic at best. However, what is shown is only a small part of the whole and only represents the focus / exercise part of this martial art.
Having a gun is also useless in a street fight if you don't know how to load it or use it 🙂